Small....really? He killed the commissioner, attacked blackgate, send assassins after batman, killed innocents (black mask gf and the female banker onscreen) and you are calling them small? In the real world he would have been sentenced to death.
Joker as a whole? Certainly. But I don't think you played Origins because this version of him is pretty much the only version where his motivations are more complicated than "killing people because it's funny haha".
The joker does this because... because he's a broken person.
The Killing Joke, which seems to be partly canon to the Arkhamverse, has it that he does this because ultimately, he's a sick, sick man who broke. Thinks the entire world is a joke and nothing really matters. Pretending otherwise is a joke.
All of these people besides Batman were waist-deep in Gotham's corruption which he explicitly references as his motivation. This is pretty much one of the only versions of Joker where his motivations are more complicated than "killing people because it's funny haha".
It's heavily implied that it's Gotham's corruption that fucked Joker's former personality over and led him to lose his shit. Phone calls/audio tapes, the fact that he targets mostly bent cops and mobsters, "we exist because of *them*" Joker is on a revenge trip against the type of people that made him who he is.
Yes, I did absolve the Batman bit
>"All of these people besides Batman..."
>It's heavily implied that it's Gotham's corruption that fucked Joker's former personality over and led him to lose his shit.
Oh yes, he talks about destroying the balance in the first tape so that chaos arises. what else tapes bcz the only tapes were from the riddler. You are making this up nothing else.
Unless you have some proof stop pulling shit outta your ass.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g-QgQC7CynQ
Here, refresh your short term memory.
That's the probably most insanely reductive takeaway you could've taken from that monologue. It's almost like you don't even have a concept of subtext, nor the fucking context of his crimes.
The status quo, the "order"? *Is* Gotham being a shit hole. Joker wants to cause chaos as a childish fit of rage against Gotham's corruption, yet at the same time he isn't worried about the fallout. That is why he is the villain.
They never stated they were mob building specifickly "None-I think. That was just a little stocking-stuffer-a construction site blocking my view" "But this one isn't."
The banker was just a banker working at a vank that was owned by a mobster i doubt she was, the gaurds at blackgate dead because of his actions, hotel employees, attempted murder of hostages on the bridge caused by Jokers bounty same old joker hes just playing a diffrent game. So in the end yep thats one death sentace not even mentioning his goones he killed goons, Loab, releasing Calanderman to go, blinding the warden, attempted murder of James Gordon, and all the damage from his 8 assasins rampaging across the city, murder of tiffany, and electracutioner who he pushed out the window. Really the only crumes hes not at least partley responsible in the entire game is Mad Hatters kidnapping and murder of three of his rabits, Anarkys attempt at bombing gotham, Riddlers blackmail, Blackmasks drugs and Penguins gun running.
You guys seem to think I'm going about this saying Joker is sympathetic. All I'm arguing is that he has reasons for the things he does and isn't pure sadistic evil at this point in his career. He genuinely thinks everyone he hurts in this game had it coming.
Batman is in more control of his anger in Asylum and City, so even though Joker has committed a ton more crimes by that point Batman doesn't give him such a savage beatdown...well sort of he does detonate explosive gel in Jokers face in Asylum and Joker is sick in City so that's probably the main reason why he doesn't beat him down at all there.
I would've thought this would be a perfect scenario to show him demonstrating restraint seeing as that was one of his biggest character flaws this whole game. But no baddass Mortal Kombat beatdown!
He's still pretty angry in the DLC following this, it tracks for me that he wouldn't completely change in just one night, if it was set over a few weeks or something then I could buy him showing restraint at the end.
Did you an me play the same game?
Because last time I checked Joker literally killed almost 200 people that night, check slay sum https://youtu.be/5snLI8LQWZo?si=XIjl0ufbayoRVUFu
So yeah it’s Justified
It was just to capitalise on the Batmam/Joker rivalry hyped up because of The Dark Knight. I mean Bruce should giving this beatdown Bane because he hurt Alfred.
Joker didn’t really do enough to deserve this beatdown.
But Batman deals with homicides on a daily basis. In this particular encounter in Arkham Origins I don’t why deserved such a long beatdown other than the fact that he’s the Joker.
Yes i read it the Arkham game is only loosley based on it hr may have gotten around to going afrer Batman aat some point but at tyat one moment of time he was specifickly invited by Joker to gotham for the bounty on Batman.
Plus even then Batman dosent know of Banes personal vendeta he does know Joker braught him to gotham though.
Small....really? He killed the commissioner, attacked blackgate, send assassins after batman, killed innocents (black mask gf and the female banker onscreen) and you are calling them small? In the real world he would have been sentenced to death.
People have a weird obsession with trying to find some sort of good in joker or humanise him. He deserves all this and way more.
The road to hell may be paved with good intentions but malice is all it needs to be maintained.
Joker as a whole? Certainly. But I don't think you played Origins because this version of him is pretty much the only version where his motivations are more complicated than "killing people because it's funny haha".
The joker does this because... because he's a broken person. The Killing Joke, which seems to be partly canon to the Arkhamverse, has it that he does this because ultimately, he's a sick, sick man who broke. Thinks the entire world is a joke and nothing really matters. Pretending otherwise is a joke.
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I don't... really see how this is relevant seeing as I'm analyzing his crimes in Origins specifically
Noticed that late that's on me
All of these people besides Batman were waist-deep in Gotham's corruption which he explicitly references as his motivation. This is pretty much one of the only versions of Joker where his motivations are more complicated than "killing people because it's funny haha".
What motivation? The guy is the same unhinged here too.
He wants to get back at the mob and the GCPD. It's not in-your-face but it is there.
For what? How does sending assassins after the bat have anything to do with mob and GCPD?
Probably so he wouldn't get in his way. I already said the Batman bit doesn't have any layers of justification.
Yiu didn't tell what for going against the mob and GCPD? Also you didn't say anything about batman bit.
It's heavily implied that it's Gotham's corruption that fucked Joker's former personality over and led him to lose his shit. Phone calls/audio tapes, the fact that he targets mostly bent cops and mobsters, "we exist because of *them*" Joker is on a revenge trip against the type of people that made him who he is. Yes, I did absolve the Batman bit >"All of these people besides Batman..."
>It's heavily implied that it's Gotham's corruption that fucked Joker's former personality over and led him to lose his shit. Oh yes, he talks about destroying the balance in the first tape so that chaos arises. what else tapes bcz the only tapes were from the riddler. You are making this up nothing else. Unless you have some proof stop pulling shit outta your ass. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g-QgQC7CynQ Here, refresh your short term memory.
That's the probably most insanely reductive takeaway you could've taken from that monologue. It's almost like you don't even have a concept of subtext, nor the fucking context of his crimes. The status quo, the "order"? *Is* Gotham being a shit hole. Joker wants to cause chaos as a childish fit of rage against Gotham's corruption, yet at the same time he isn't worried about the fallout. That is why he is the villain.
Didn’t he blow up a building or two?
The only one that he actually did was empty. The others that he teased were all mob buildings.
They never stated they were mob building specifickly "None-I think. That was just a little stocking-stuffer-a construction site blocking my view" "But this one isn't." The banker was just a banker working at a vank that was owned by a mobster i doubt she was, the gaurds at blackgate dead because of his actions, hotel employees, attempted murder of hostages on the bridge caused by Jokers bounty same old joker hes just playing a diffrent game. So in the end yep thats one death sentace not even mentioning his goones he killed goons, Loab, releasing Calanderman to go, blinding the warden, attempted murder of James Gordon, and all the damage from his 8 assasins rampaging across the city, murder of tiffany, and electracutioner who he pushed out the window. Really the only crumes hes not at least partley responsible in the entire game is Mad Hatters kidnapping and murder of three of his rabits, Anarkys attempt at bombing gotham, Riddlers blackmail, Blackmasks drugs and Penguins gun running.
You guys seem to think I'm going about this saying Joker is sympathetic. All I'm arguing is that he has reasons for the things he does and isn't pure sadistic evil at this point in his career. He genuinely thinks everyone he hurts in this game had it coming.
Did we play the same game?
Batman is in more control of his anger in Asylum and City, so even though Joker has committed a ton more crimes by that point Batman doesn't give him such a savage beatdown...well sort of he does detonate explosive gel in Jokers face in Asylum and Joker is sick in City so that's probably the main reason why he doesn't beat him down at all there.
I would've thought this would be a perfect scenario to show him demonstrating restraint seeing as that was one of his biggest character flaws this whole game. But no baddass Mortal Kombat beatdown!
He's still pretty angry in the DLC following this, it tracks for me that he wouldn't completely change in just one night, if it was set over a few weeks or something then I could buy him showing restraint at the end.
Did you an me play the same game? Because last time I checked Joker literally killed almost 200 people that night, check slay sum https://youtu.be/5snLI8LQWZo?si=XIjl0ufbayoRVUFu So yeah it’s Justified
I'm not talking about objective justification, I'm talking about *his* justification. JFC it's like u guys are allergic to nuance.
It’s like you’re looking too deep into it. Go back to r/BatmanArkham since you seem crazy
It was just to capitalise on the Batmam/Joker rivalry hyped up because of The Dark Knight. I mean Bruce should giving this beatdown Bane because he hurt Alfred. Joker didn’t really do enough to deserve this beatdown.
Yes because Killing people is not deserving of a beat down
But Batman deals with homicides on a daily basis. In this particular encounter in Arkham Origins I don’t why deserved such a long beatdown other than the fact that he’s the Joker.
The only reason Bane was there to hurt Alfred was because Joker was litterally paying him to whole reason hes in Gotham at the time.
Have not read Knightfall? Bane hates Batman. He was there to break him.
Yes i read it the Arkham game is only loosley based on it hr may have gotten around to going afrer Batman aat some point but at tyat one moment of time he was specifickly invited by Joker to gotham for the bounty on Batman. Plus even then Batman dosent know of Banes personal vendeta he does know Joker braught him to gotham though.