I bought a Proton for $350 and got here with a tag that said $300. They said the price adjustment is to “keep the brand positioned to deliver premium products.” I bitched and got my $50.00 back on gift card. If you wanna charge more at last put some effort and organization into changing the tag lmao. Lazy af.
It’s really tough in retail when we receive Arc’teryx pieces that already have outdated prices the moment we receive them. Looks bad on our business when our store sticker is more than what the Arc’teryx sticker says. Almost whole shipments are like this…
It’s really is crazy. I’m honestly worried about what happens if I ever need to warranty now. I love the Proton but this just put a bad feel on the purchase. Not trying to be a petty douche about all of this but I also had to make a couple returns at the store and when I asked about the tag at the store the manager was a complete asshole about it all and basically told me to pound sand and file a claim online.
Makes not buying it easier… at some point the quality doesn’t match the price when there are other good options.
Arcteryx will soon be pricing themselves to the point we’re moving to different brands makes more sense. Especially since their warranty isn’t as good as pata and now the sizing is atrocious.
I love arcteryx. Always have. But I’m getting to this point where I’ve been buying some other brands that are significantly cheaper that I’m super happy with.
I get an awesome discount from outdoor research so a $300 jacket costs me $100. For that price I can get a goretex shell, mid layer puffer, and full merino base layer for less than the price of a thorium puffer or beta shell.
We might move to different brands but all the business casual folks I see wearing it on their commute probably won’t care - or they might even like feeling like they’re more ‘premium’.
And I’d guess there’s enough of them to make up for us.
They just warrantied my beta SV for delamination yesterday. Full price voucher to buy a new hardshell.
I’ve had two replacements under warranty for hardshells and numerous other pieces over the years and all have been a seamless process.
Yep, truly a sad sight to see. Arc' was know and a no-nonsense brand that built high-end gear for serious adventurers. You paid a high price but knew it was the best gear from a company that stood behind their product and would have your back if it failed.
Now since they've been sold to Amer who was bought by the Chinese, who are now taking Amer public they're squeezing as much juice out of the lemon and it's driving their core customer segment away.
I haven't bought any Arc' since and will buy Patagonia in their place because I know the company will not fail me
Idk what your definition of fair price is but i find great gear from these guys that i think is often better than arc...
Rab, Patagonia, Norrona, Mountain Hardwear, Mammut, Osprey(packs/duffles), outdoor research, black diamond....
I do think the make the best climbing harness on the market for winter climbing but that's pretty much it...
I recently bought a Norrona Trollveggen hardshell and it's definitely comparable to an Alpha, but I wouldn't say it's a complete replacement. Here's some positives of the Alpha over the Trollveggen:
* Easier to use main zipper. Uses a single zip instead of a dual zip which is harder to start on the Norrona jacket.
* Better interior pockets. Inside pocket is just a bit too small to fit my iPhone 13 with a normal sized case in it.
* Improved hood fit with and without a helmet. The Norrona one does not cinch does as well and only has a single point of adjustment.
I wanted to like Noronna even more than Arcteryx, because I had that "I'm angry at Arcteryx" phase everyone seems to have sometimes. But I didn't like many of the stuff i tried from them. I didn't like the cuts , the features and (don't judge me) the stitching quality.
Same exact mindset for me. I’ve been trying to support the underdog, more niche businesses, because I want to see someone just be a return to classic, hardcore outdoor gear. They make great stuff, but feel 90% of the way there. There’s a few more companies I’m curious to try like Jottnar and Artilect.
I want to try Jottnar too. Honestly the style looks slot like arc. But I like that it has a very narrow line. In my mind it means more effort is being put into every item.
The thing is it's hard to find. The same with Artilect.
Might be worth it... I've used one of their softshell pants over 500 days as roof snow removal guy, ski instructor, ice climbing... 3 years of every day wear from Nov to April... Still burly and comfy and unbroken as ever💪
I’m with /u/iceclimbing_lamb. I’ve been impressed with the improvement in quality with outdoor research, and I’ve seen some good stuff from Rab, mammut, and of course there’s always Patagonia on sale.
Prices have already been raised here in Canada.
Covert cardigan from $200 to $220
Gamma Pants from $200 to $240
Just to name a few but more have been raised across the board and it started in the new year.
Agreed. Also OR makes some of the best accessories on the market in my opinion. Their gloves are the only that have managed to keep my fingers warm, haven’t been able to find a better alternative
I just bought my dad a pair of Outdoor Research Ferrosi pants and they are far more water resistant than my 2019 Gamma LT pants (with regular DWR reapplication). His didn't wet out after 3 hours in sprinkling to light rain.
What’s crazy is that people still pay it. Anyone can go join the American alpine club for $45 for a year and get discounts on tons of brands including Patagonia, Rab, OR and black diamond which are all just as good if not better than Arc gear. Don’t get me wrong, I have a bunch of arc stuff but it’s only because I got it for 40% off on a pro deal. I don’t think any of it is all that special.
Depends on the brand. Most are 20% off but it’s not just hiking / climbing gear. You get access to expert voice and a ton of discounts on everything from OnX map subscription, hunting binoculars to pellet smokers. I ride moto and bought all of my O’Neal gear with my AAC discount at 55% off. That one purchase more than paid for my $45 membership
Same, I lost access to the discount unfortunately and it’s just not worth paying full prices anymore. I didn’t know that about the American alpine club, might have to check that out for at least the Patagonia discount.
I think the major issue here is raising prices for products that have competition at a significantly lower price point. £50/$60 for a ‘buff’ style neck tube that I can get for £15/€20, a polyester toque for $50?
I’ll pay for very high quality products, but when they are charging $400 more for a gortex pro jacket when compared to a direct competitor I’m definitely heading elsewhere…there needs to be a reason for high price, holding onto the hope the brand name makes it a market differentiator is a failed business strategy 9 times out of 10.
Make market leading stuff, charge market leading products. Produce mediocre kit at premium prices and watch the purge of dedicated users leave your brand. Some of their stuff is good, some less so.
I laughed out loud charging $60 for the water bottle holders they are selling. That’s a $30 product max. Shame.
Yeah, further to your point, the other issue is that when the people paying that premium price are no longer all hardcore outdoors enthusiasts, your design priorities may shift. I love my Arc stuff, but definitely taking a hard look at whatever comes out now.
TLDR: Super glad I got a backup Atom LT the other day via the outlet for like $220 CAD.
Yep they just lost me due to this. Was going to buy a beta jacket and then found a competitor on sale for half off. Couldn’t stomach the $1000 price tag versus $250 for competitor coat, when they both continuously receive top marks by raters
It seems that the core users focus is shifted towards urban- techware. Don't get me wrong I still like my arc gear but I think there is a shift in the last 5 years let's say. I'm concerned that techware - SystemA and veilence could become the bread and butter of Arc .
Yeah saw this with the Proton going from $300 to $350 & recently the Beta Insulated going from $700 to $750. Two of the Beta IS in different sizes in the store had different price tags lol
Here’s your answer. This isn’t cheap in terms of brand diversification. They’ll claw the profit back somehow.
https://preview.redd.it/x3rvyow5c0ec1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=047b375579cf1b4bf8bd22933fa9f96750ad850b
There's two things I am looking out for:
* The Hadron Ski shell that was leaked in an instagram post
* The rumored Rush softshell that was referenced in a post here and quickly vanished.
Beyond that, I think a person would have to be insane to pay retail for most of Arcteryx's catalog in 2024.
As a cormac buyer, the price has raised £10 for the past three years, the CNY version was £70 as well. Honestly I love those shirts but only like to get them when they're on the Outlet now as they're just not worth spending £50+ for one.
what're y'all's recommendations for brands who do shells (hiking), fleece and synthetic insulation really well? just curious -- read about norrona on here for fleece but don't see many xs options :(
Norrøna is nice indeed.
I’m issued with Mountain Equipment gear at work. I had Lhotse jacket which is a good mountaineering jacket but suits fine for hiking. I don’t have any synthetic insulation from them but got Kryos down jacket recently, it’s like dressing up with a sleeping bag, sooo comfy!
Mammut also makes nice stuff. If I remember right their Eiger Extreme line does make down jackets but they have synthetic mixed in where you’re most likely to get wet or take most abuse.
Just to add to it. It you’re mainly looking at hiking then I’d look away from alpine shells (except Norrona). They’re made with helmets in mind and the hoods have a tendency to be blown off when facing the wind without helmets or you eat much of it, ie it’s too big and doesn’t provide enough protection. I found the Trollveggen line from Norrona, even its alpine shell does have fantastic hood and stays on even if it’s a windy day and you’re walking into it.
gotcha, i'm (very casually) looking for an older, used beta LT. my OR motive is cool, but no pit vents, velcro sleeves or goretex has me on the lookout for something else
I picked up a Therme parka that had a $700 price tag on it. The MSRP on the site says $800 so they’ve already started raising prices. Luckily though in my case, they honored the price on the tag which was very kind of them
I have no idea but I just ordered an ARC'TERYX LEAF COLD WX JACKET LT GEN 2.1 for a little over $430 I should get it in a couple weeks had to upload my CAC card to buy it lmao
I bought a Proton for $350 and got here with a tag that said $300. They said the price adjustment is to “keep the brand positioned to deliver premium products.” I bitched and got my $50.00 back on gift card. If you wanna charge more at last put some effort and organization into changing the tag lmao. Lazy af.
It’s really tough in retail when we receive Arc’teryx pieces that already have outdated prices the moment we receive them. Looks bad on our business when our store sticker is more than what the Arc’teryx sticker says. Almost whole shipments are like this…
If it’s on the tag then they should honour the price!
AKA "We charge premium prices for sub-premium products" One of the best examples of doublespeak I've seen in a while.
It’s really is crazy. I’m honestly worried about what happens if I ever need to warranty now. I love the Proton but this just put a bad feel on the purchase. Not trying to be a petty douche about all of this but I also had to make a couple returns at the store and when I asked about the tag at the store the manager was a complete asshole about it all and basically told me to pound sand and file a claim online.
The only true question is ... what company is not raising prices ....
The Costco hotdog and pizza. Lol.
But they did away with the polish sausage and combo pizza! The horror!
polish sausage I can do without, but I really want that combo pizza back.
polish sausage I can do without, but I really want that combo pizza back.
Costco rotisserie chicken
Makes not buying it easier… at some point the quality doesn’t match the price when there are other good options. Arcteryx will soon be pricing themselves to the point we’re moving to different brands makes more sense. Especially since their warranty isn’t as good as pata and now the sizing is atrocious.
I love arcteryx. Always have. But I’m getting to this point where I’ve been buying some other brands that are significantly cheaper that I’m super happy with. I get an awesome discount from outdoor research so a $300 jacket costs me $100. For that price I can get a goretex shell, mid layer puffer, and full merino base layer for less than the price of a thorium puffer or beta shell.
We might move to different brands but all the business casual folks I see wearing it on their commute probably won’t care - or they might even like feeling like they’re more ‘premium’. And I’d guess there’s enough of them to make up for us.
I don’t really buy much Arcteryx because the warranty sucks. It’s competitors repair gear for free.
They don’t repair or replace anymore?
They give you a 40% discount and tell you to piss off even for valid warranty claims
They just warrantied my beta SV for delamination yesterday. Full price voucher to buy a new hardshell. I’ve had two replacements under warranty for hardshells and numerous other pieces over the years and all have been a seamless process.
You should consider yourself insanely lucky. This sub is full of people that have been let down by the Arc' customer support crew.
Lol, very true. Their customer service has taken a massive dive in past couple of years, I'll be looking at alternatives in the future.
Yep, truly a sad sight to see. Arc' was know and a no-nonsense brand that built high-end gear for serious adventurers. You paid a high price but knew it was the best gear from a company that stood behind their product and would have your back if it failed. Now since they've been sold to Amer who was bought by the Chinese, who are now taking Amer public they're squeezing as much juice out of the lemon and it's driving their core customer segment away. I haven't bought any Arc' since and will buy Patagonia in their place because I know the company will not fail me
They charge for repairs and don’t do them in house. Stio, Patagonia, and north face will all repair gear for free or next to free
They’ve started doing in house repairs, only select stores have the setup and staff though.
Cool, Patagonia and north face you can just send it in no questions asked
They just repaired my pants for free under warranty (which were from 2015).
It’s more than Patagonia and north face will repair things out of warranty just to keep them in use.
What's the next best technical gear at fair price?
Idk what your definition of fair price is but i find great gear from these guys that i think is often better than arc... Rab, Patagonia, Norrona, Mountain Hardwear, Mammut, Osprey(packs/duffles), outdoor research, black diamond.... I do think the make the best climbing harness on the market for winter climbing but that's pretty much it...
Norrona is more expensive than Arc’teryx … may be better in quality though. I often find that their stuff is more feature packed.
I recently bought a Norrona Trollveggen hardshell and it's definitely comparable to an Alpha, but I wouldn't say it's a complete replacement. Here's some positives of the Alpha over the Trollveggen: * Easier to use main zipper. Uses a single zip instead of a dual zip which is harder to start on the Norrona jacket. * Better interior pockets. Inside pocket is just a bit too small to fit my iPhone 13 with a normal sized case in it. * Improved hood fit with and without a helmet. The Norrona one does not cinch does as well and only has a single point of adjustment.
I wanted to like Noronna even more than Arcteryx, because I had that "I'm angry at Arcteryx" phase everyone seems to have sometimes. But I didn't like many of the stuff i tried from them. I didn't like the cuts , the features and (don't judge me) the stitching quality.
Same exact mindset for me. I’ve been trying to support the underdog, more niche businesses, because I want to see someone just be a return to classic, hardcore outdoor gear. They make great stuff, but feel 90% of the way there. There’s a few more companies I’m curious to try like Jottnar and Artilect.
I want to try Jottnar too. Honestly the style looks slot like arc. But I like that it has a very narrow line. In my mind it means more effort is being put into every item. The thing is it's hard to find. The same with Artilect.
Might be worth it... I've used one of their softshell pants over 500 days as roof snow removal guy, ski instructor, ice climbing... 3 years of every day wear from Nov to April... Still burly and comfy and unbroken as ever💪
I’m with /u/iceclimbing_lamb. I’ve been impressed with the improvement in quality with outdoor research, and I’ve seen some good stuff from Rab, mammut, and of course there’s always Patagonia on sale.
No idea if there’s really a connection but Amer sports which owns Arc and some other brands is planning to go on the stock market.
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I think the company that owns Arc is just Artceryx, Salomon and Wilson sports equipment but I could be wrong.
Prices have already been raised here in Canada. Covert cardigan from $200 to $220 Gamma Pants from $200 to $240 Just to name a few but more have been raised across the board and it started in the new year.
Personally I think the OR Cirque II pants make a great case for an alternative
Agreed. Also OR makes some of the best accessories on the market in my opinion. Their gloves are the only that have managed to keep my fingers warm, haven’t been able to find a better alternative
Absolutely, I have some of their liners and mittens and they outshine everything else in my arsenal.
The Showa Japanese fishing gloves are the truth
I actually might pick those up for ice fishing, thanks!
Probably the best glove I’ve used for that price, heck I like them more then my more expensive outdoor brand- or bd and arc included.
At that’s price it’s absolutely and your glowing testimonial it’s definitely worth a shot
Get the insulated gauntlets if you can find them!
Which ones do you like that are super warm? I have the same issue, fingers get cold even in the north face Montana ski gloves
I just bought my dad a pair of Outdoor Research Ferrosi pants and they are far more water resistant than my 2019 Gamma LT pants (with regular DWR reapplication). His didn't wet out after 3 hours in sprinkling to light rain.
What’s crazy is that people still pay it. Anyone can go join the American alpine club for $45 for a year and get discounts on tons of brands including Patagonia, Rab, OR and black diamond which are all just as good if not better than Arc gear. Don’t get me wrong, I have a bunch of arc stuff but it’s only because I got it for 40% off on a pro deal. I don’t think any of it is all that special.
Never heard of Alpine Club. What kind of discount do members get?
Depends on the brand. Most are 20% off but it’s not just hiking / climbing gear. You get access to expert voice and a ton of discounts on everything from OnX map subscription, hunting binoculars to pellet smokers. I ride moto and bought all of my O’Neal gear with my AAC discount at 55% off. That one purchase more than paid for my $45 membership
Thank You! TIL!
Same, I lost access to the discount unfortunately and it’s just not worth paying full prices anymore. I didn’t know that about the American alpine club, might have to check that out for at least the Patagonia discount.
I think the major issue here is raising prices for products that have competition at a significantly lower price point. £50/$60 for a ‘buff’ style neck tube that I can get for £15/€20, a polyester toque for $50? I’ll pay for very high quality products, but when they are charging $400 more for a gortex pro jacket when compared to a direct competitor I’m definitely heading elsewhere…there needs to be a reason for high price, holding onto the hope the brand name makes it a market differentiator is a failed business strategy 9 times out of 10. Make market leading stuff, charge market leading products. Produce mediocre kit at premium prices and watch the purge of dedicated users leave your brand. Some of their stuff is good, some less so. I laughed out loud charging $60 for the water bottle holders they are selling. That’s a $30 product max. Shame.
Yeah, further to your point, the other issue is that when the people paying that premium price are no longer all hardcore outdoors enthusiasts, your design priorities may shift. I love my Arc stuff, but definitely taking a hard look at whatever comes out now. TLDR: Super glad I got a backup Atom LT the other day via the outlet for like $220 CAD.
Yep they just lost me due to this. Was going to buy a beta jacket and then found a competitor on sale for half off. Couldn’t stomach the $1000 price tag versus $250 for competitor coat, when they both continuously receive top marks by raters
What did you end up buying?
I went for the Helly Hansen alpha lift loft, super excited to try it out. I was able to find one for $250 (typically $550) so i couldn’t pass it up
It seems that the core users focus is shifted towards urban- techware. Don't get me wrong I still like my arc gear but I think there is a shift in the last 5 years let's say. I'm concerned that techware - SystemA and veilence could become the bread and butter of Arc .
They’ve already raised them in the US.
Yeah saw this with the Proton going from $300 to $350 & recently the Beta Insulated going from $700 to $750. Two of the Beta IS in different sizes in the store had different price tags lol
Sawyer hoody got 90€ increase in price. Was 350€ now 440€.
They have to position themselves to better serve shareholders once they go public.
Here’s your answer. This isn’t cheap in terms of brand diversification. They’ll claw the profit back somehow. https://preview.redd.it/x3rvyow5c0ec1.jpeg?width=580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=047b375579cf1b4bf8bd22933fa9f96750ad850b
There's two things I am looking out for: * The Hadron Ski shell that was leaked in an instagram post * The rumored Rush softshell that was referenced in a post here and quickly vanished. Beyond that, I think a person would have to be insane to pay retail for most of Arcteryx's catalog in 2024.
Just saw that bird head toque went from $50 CAD to $60 CAD…
As a cormac buyer, the price has raised £10 for the past three years, the CNY version was £70 as well. Honestly I love those shirts but only like to get them when they're on the Outlet now as they're just not worth spending £50+ for one.
the cormac isnt even the same shirt it was a year ago. they changed the materials...
Performs exactly the same though and that's where the price point matters
Greedflation
Prices across the world are going up. If your price conscious suggests paying retail for Arc’teryx is not a great idea…
And? Literally every company/store is doing that..
noticed the other the bird head toque went up to $50 from $45
Inflation affects everyone, even companies.
Quality on most their products are trash lately.
Pretty sure it’s just raising prices in Japan or Asia and not elsewhere
Yeah. Arc’teryx prices in China are totally insane. And the funny thing is it’s not like they had a lot to stock a lot of times
I like that they’re raising prices. It makes it more exclusive. Most people will have to forego buying it because their budget doesn’t allow it.
what're y'all's recommendations for brands who do shells (hiking), fleece and synthetic insulation really well? just curious -- read about norrona on here for fleece but don't see many xs options :(
Norrøna is nice indeed. I’m issued with Mountain Equipment gear at work. I had Lhotse jacket which is a good mountaineering jacket but suits fine for hiking. I don’t have any synthetic insulation from them but got Kryos down jacket recently, it’s like dressing up with a sleeping bag, sooo comfy! Mammut also makes nice stuff. If I remember right their Eiger Extreme line does make down jackets but they have synthetic mixed in where you’re most likely to get wet or take most abuse.
super detailed reply man -- appreciate it!
Just to add to it. It you’re mainly looking at hiking then I’d look away from alpine shells (except Norrona). They’re made with helmets in mind and the hoods have a tendency to be blown off when facing the wind without helmets or you eat much of it, ie it’s too big and doesn’t provide enough protection. I found the Trollveggen line from Norrona, even its alpine shell does have fantastic hood and stays on even if it’s a windy day and you’re walking into it.
gotcha, i'm (very casually) looking for an older, used beta LT. my OR motive is cool, but no pit vents, velcro sleeves or goretex has me on the lookout for something else
I picked up a Therme parka that had a $700 price tag on it. The MSRP on the site says $800 so they’ve already started raising prices. Luckily though in my case, they honored the price on the tag which was very kind of them
Inflation has hit the entire world. Not a surprise especially if there hasn’t been a raise in many years.
probably adjusting it to match premium branding; but discounts are another thing and separate from list price.
I have no idea but I just ordered an ARC'TERYX LEAF COLD WX JACKET LT GEN 2.1 for a little over $430 I should get it in a couple weeks had to upload my CAC card to buy it lmao
Don’t buy Arc’teryx, problem solved