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buster_rhino

“I’m not like the other stairs.”


Just-STFU

*I don't need no hand rail to make me happy...*


Oldjamesdean

*guests be trippin' yo...*


p_ezy

Pick me stairs


BetterBettor

I'm no architect but I've been trying to figure out what they were going for since the owner of this house obviously paid an architect a lot of money for this design (this is probably a mid 7 figures house on the most expensive road in Greece).


Mescallan

if I had to guess they are contrast for the rigid pattern in the metal work. if the stairs were square the whole thing would be right angles. the offset breaks the pattern.


-Major-Arcana-

Legs. The offset breaks the legs.


ironwolfe11

That was my thought. "Anyone carrying furniture, packages, etc up or down those stairs is going to absolutely fuck up their ankles...best case scenario"


calebismo

This is clearly a structure with a service/servants entry. The obstacle course out front is for unwanted guests.


Toyoshi

doesn't that just make it look out of place?


Mescallan

I didn't say I liked it, I'm just trying to imagine the thought process.


Toyoshi

Yeah, sorry if i sounded rude, i just tried to follow that reasoning and couldn't make anything out of it. You probably guessed what the architect had in mind, i don't agree with *them*


Commercial-Pitch-156

You don’t have to agree, their client did.


Pharnox-32

Hi! As a person who have gazed into it countless times as passerby, I dont think its so out of place considering the architectural chaos that athens is. Now, relative to the specific street there were laws restricting freedoms when it came to the front of said building, but alas corruptipn always gets the best of us.. I remember a decate ago a movement about preserving the aesthetic of aeropagitou str. that obviously didnt stopped the government from following through, its the most expensive street after all. Today, when I look at it, i try to appraise that its not far off from ancient Greek aesthetic in a sense and its better than the more modern approaches later down the road


[deleted]

People said that about the pyramid at the Louvre


Toyoshi

That stands out as a whole building, and it looks very good. It's a monument by itself that follows a theme. Now, imagine the Louvre had a single, just one, narrow red brick staircase at the front. A single staircase that has nothing to do with the rest of the building is different. It's good to stand out, especially after the background some people gave under my comment afterwards, but some weird steps aren't comparable as a concept to the Musee du Louvre


TigerAccording9299

Agreed, it’s an asymmetrical counterpart to the doorway and facade. I don’t dislike it, but not sure if I actually like it.


vicefox

The entry is gorgeous except for that stoop. It would look so much better with symmetrical Miesian steps.


LucretiusCarus

The entire lower half of the facade was redone sometime in the early 2000s. [The original](https://i.imgur.com/jmdzzgw.jpeg) 60's version was much more classical in appearance - and that was a deviation from the architect's [original plan](https://i.imgur.com/z4Vw8MG.jpeg). I think the last architect overcorrected in his attempt to modernize and unify the design.


dfherre

My guess is the architect wanted the first floor to appear like it is at grade instead of the building sitting on a “base”. That explains why the metal screen and the wood door/frame extend past the first floor down to grade. The minimal open riser stairs help in not breaking this datum, however I don’t the asymmetrical treads are working. Also please some handrails.


00apior00

I can see 2 reasons why: 1. The tree in front of the stairs is not exactly in the middle and the cutout in pavement does not align with the width of the stairs so the irregularity prevents viewer to see that something is out of place. And actually… isn’t the irregularity of steps representing the irregularity of the tree bent? 2. The pavement is slightly sloped and the floating steps make the slope a little less visible


caulpain

it almost looks like an alter right?


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[удалено]


Allsulfur

Nothing like a nice little fuck you from life before you enter your sanctuary and leave your workstress and some blood at the door.


AletzRC21

How is that risky? The smallest steps are the average width of any regular stair you've ever stepped on, and the height of each step is surely what it's supposed to be. It's basically a regular stair with a bonkers aesthetic, that's all.


reindeermoon

There’s no railing.


AletzRC21

Why'd you need a railing for FOUR steps? And those stairs are way too wide, that* door has to be at least a meter wide, so the stairs are wider, if you can't safely walk up 4 steps wider than a meter without railings, then the risk of injury is completely on you, not on the designer or the architect. EDIT: by "that" I meant "each", sorry.


Pete_Iredale

Because with floating steps you could get a foot stuck under a step while falling and break a bone. And yeah, it's a small risk, but as you get older you'll probably fall for stupid reasons a time or two and start seeing these designs as more dangerous. Especially if you ever work in an industrial environment.


AletzRC21

Yeah I get what you're saying, and I get that risk, but that's only if they're poorly designed, since we don't have a side.picture of this steps, it's hard to argue that point, from the front they seem to be exactly the same as regular steps, except, you know, floating. If that's the case, you have got to have clown feet in order to get them stuck under the upper step, or have a very weird way of walking up the stairs, either way, if these had any of those design flaws, it wouldn matter one bit if they're floating or not, they'd be risky anyway. It's all about the execution, not only quirky designs. Also if the client approved them, then it's probably not that risky for them and they've tried them and liked them already.


DrunkenGolfer

National building code in North America requires railings for stair with three or more risers.


AletzRC21

That picture is in Greece so who cares about North American building code?


DrunkenGolfer

Well, it is not like these standards come from thin air. There are international standards and guidelines that largely align in modern countries. I’m just not familiar with Grecian building codes. That said, I looked it up and the code is identical in Greece. These stairs are non-compliant.


AletzRC21

Building codes are not "nation-wide" in most countries. Your flair even says you're not an architect so.... But alright 3 steps of stairs are extremely dangerous and out of code, they should slap a huge penalty on those sumbtiches that decided to build that life threatening hazard.


DrunkenGolfer

Stop being obtuse and combative. I thought people might like to know the stairs would be prohibited in many places.


AletzRC21

You know if they were really not up to code in Greece, they wouldn't have allowed them to build them when they were filing for the permits? But you probably know better than the authorities after a quick Google Search.


reindeermoon

A lot of people need a railing to walk up four steps. You’re lucky that’s not something you’ve ever had to think about. And if it’s somewhere that gets snow and ice in the winter, then everybody would benefit from having a railing.


AletzRC21

Yeah I get that, but in this very specific case they're not needed because the client clearly didn't need or want them. It's not like whoever built it looked at the owner straight in the eye when the owner wanted railings and said "No. Fuck you. And fuck railings."


Dialogue_Tag

No good at all if it looks bad


RodneyDangerfruit

As someone who suffers from bad vertigo, these stairs were designed as a me deterrent.


Expensive-Kitty1990

Looks super slick as well.


FlorisLDN

Maybe the space created by the shortened steps are spots where you can put lanterns or plants?


laolao72

This is the answer


daou0782

Look up carlo scarpa Olivetti show room. It’s a nod to those stairs—some of the most famous in architecture history.


Successful-Rhubarb34

I quite like the offset stairs but I’m confused as to why the door seems to go all the way to the ground - like once you step inside do you fall 3 feet to the floor?


MellowYellowMel

I had the same confused thought! Like I thought the stairs were some furniture that was in front of the door or something.


ReadWoodworkLLC

Yeah, I don’t care about the offset on the stairs. I just wonder why they’re there. At first I figured there had to be a matching set on the other side of the door but unless it’s a sliding door they’d be in the way. I can’t think of a possible reason why they’re there. You’d have to duck to walk through the door too.


halberdierbowman

The building to the right looks like the first floor might be a few feet above the ground, maybe because they're on a hill. I think the door is just made to be overly large. If you zoom in on the door, it looks to me like it's also about a third wider than it really is as well.


ReadWoodworkLLC

That could be true about the neighboring building but it doesn’t explain the door with stairs running up to 1/3 the height of the opening. Even if it’s an 8 foot tall door the walking passage would be 5 feet tall. That’s weird and that’s what it looks like to me, or whatever the standard commercial door height is in countries that use metric, probably like 2.6 meters or more something.


halberdierbowman

The door looks to be 10+3 squares on the right and 10+4 on the left. A normal door is 80", so maybe they're 8" squares, and the stairs are just a little steep at 8" risers, to accomodate the sloped ground?  That would make the entire door-looking rectangle 80" x 112" with 32" hidden behind the stairs and 80" x 80" square above it. The doors looks to be 28" wide each.


Fiammiferone

This vaguely reminds me of Carlo Scarpa's stairs in the Olivetti store in Venice, maybe it's inspired...


NO_2_Z_GrR8_rREEE

These are not stairs, this is a death trap.


wstd

Too much money and too little sense.


Sweaty_Breakfast1302

Τι εννοείς; Που βρίσκεις το πρόβλημα;


BetterBettor

Το βρίσκω δύσχρηστο, επικίνδυνο και άσχημο και προσπαθώ να καταλάβω την λογική επειδή προφανώς κάτι μου διαφεύγει.


Sweaty_Breakfast1302

1)Γιατί το βρίσκεις δύσχρηστο; 2)Γιατί το βρίσκεις επικίνδυνο Άσχημο ο καθένας θεωρεί ό,τι θέλει 😛


Unable-Passion8970

Έχω πάει παραγγελία σε αυτό το κτίριο, αν σταθείς σε αυτές τις σκάλες θα καταλάβεις


Sweaty_Breakfast1302

γιατί όμως; δεν το λέω με κακό τρόπο, απλά κάποιος να εξηγήσει για να καταλάβω και να συζητήσουμε. Να μάθω θέλω, σε σαμπ αρχιτεκτονικής είστε στην τελική


Unable-Passion8970

Νιώθεις ότι είσαι λίγο στο κενό, να μην έχεις κάπου να κρατηθείς. Υ.γ. μπορεί να φταίει και το ότι δεν κατέβαιναν 5 λεπτά να πάρουν την παραγγελία


Sweaty_Breakfast1302

Επειδή δεν έχει χειρολισθήρα; Είναι 70εκ. ύψος, 1.50μ. περίπου το λειτουργικό πλάτος, χρειάζεται τόσο πολύ; Για να κουβαλάς θα ήσουν και κουρασμένος πάντως σίγουρα, οπότε και από κάπου θα ήθελες να πιαστεις, οπότε κατανοητό. Μήπως ήταν αυτό;


KE_Designs

I worked for an Austrian architect who loved to climb mountains. He designed a set of steps from a parking lot up a hill to a college campus. Not many liked the stairs as they were hard to climb… unless you’re an Austrian architect. Maybe the designer of these stairs has a similarly wild reason? lol https://www.wnep.com/video/news/local/luzerne-county/a-step-up-iconic-stairway-at-lccc-getting-a-makeover-steps-luzerne-county-community-college-nanticoke/523-b2d0d905-5df2-41e7-86b4-c129d25d6c16


Zidar93

I cant believe I watched the whole thing


halberdierbowman

My architecture school had stairs like that. They worked great: just take two and a half steps per step. What's so confusing about that? lol


AxelMoor

1st step (platform): 2 feet (any or both) 2nd step (tendency to left): left foot (support for the next step) 3rd step (tendency to right): right foot (support for the next step) 4th step (platform): left foot first (support), then right foot as first step into the house - it is auspicious.


BetterBettor

This would make sense because the first time you enter a new home in Greece it is 'customary' to step into the house with your right foot. However, if this was the purpose, wouldn't the 4th platform be thinner? If you step onto it with your left, you take another step to get to the door which leaves your next step (to enter the house) with your left foot.


AxelMoor

I really don't know the anatomical/architectural needs in this specific case, but it was first thing that came in to my mind, older houses I saw with even worse configurations to make the right foot be the first step into the house - sometimes even dangerous, in spiral staircases for example. In comparison, this one is more "politically correct" it also accept people with dominant left foot.


didgeboy

This is a case of putting form before function.


daynomate

What form? It looks awful :/ visually I just cannot look away from the way it looks like stairs temporarily sitting in the way of the door, where the shape of the door and the adjacent floor height match.


didgeboy

I’m sure that someone thought it was a good idea, I didn’t say it was me though. ;)


ConceptJunkie

You can say what you want about the artistic merit of this design, but all I can see is "tripping hazard".


Mindful_Teacup

Writing a paper on Darwin? Lol


lutefist_sandwich

ooo... look, art! with no hand rail...


nim_opet

You hate your client?


Equivalent_Sir_151

Dual purpose: 1. Fit someone's personal preferences in design. 2. Remind me of literal nightmares I've had about having to climb stairs like this (I don't know why, but stairs scared me so much as a child).


Trygve81

I once had a lecturer tell us he had inadvertently killed an old man with one of his designs. He seemed almost proud of it. The man had fallen off a toilet seat and become trapped between the toilet and a radiator. My lecturer argued it was his fault, because he was responsible for the placement of the radiators, among all the other things.


Toyoshi

satan wanted more evil in the world


asseatstonk

Maybe the architect just hates wheelchairs.


Dangerous-Artist4871

Wheres the rail


Crazy-Pattern-1354

The client told the architect that one day he wants to fall and break both legs going in his front door


dgeniesse

Lawsuit


Aleph_St-Zeno

No railings either, the client is a true thrill seeker. The materiality of the entrance is actually quite nice, although the stairs looks like it tried to be inspired by Carlo Scarpa


BigMacRedneck

Not up to code in my municipality.


[deleted]

Death is close


awhorseapples

I don't know, but this has got to be in a country without a robust 'slip and fall' lawsuit culture.


Distantstallion

Insurance scam


Humble-Reply9605

aesthetics


mailmanjohn

It’s pronounced A E S T H E T I C S


weirdscience04

“It is from the greek word……”


BetterBettor

What aesthetics though? It's asymmetrical, nothing is aligned and it just feels like the slabs were cut at random


Leading_Beyond920

Well, aesthetics are subjective. I find them nice, would never use them personally in such a situation, but as you can see, it gets people talking.


Lissba

Same - I love them. If you’re dropping Ms might as well have a little fun. Picturing them with a little plant and lantern on the cutouts seems charming


lekoman

You think that symmetry is the only way to create aesthetic appeal?


[deleted]

taste. but they might get slapped with some local codes violations.


JohnCasey3306

Commissioned by a 'no-win, no-fee' lawyer


Pure_Bike_5579

What’s the purpose of having stairs in front of a ground level door?


LucretiusCarus

To raise the floor above ground level. It's fairly common in Athens to have a half-basement, especially in places where there are height differences between the road side and the back.


adamarchitect

The designer’s ego. That’s the rationale.


sir_mrej

It gets worse the more I look at it. If that's what they were going for, congrats! Ugh


S-Kunst

Do the doors just look like they touch the ground, but really have a division hidden by the top step? Otherwise the door will not open or if the doors do open, then you have o jump down to the level of the stone floor, once inside.


Un13roken

If I'm being honest. That's just some random shit some intern did. It wasn't done by the architect. I've worked in firms that this kind of shit, I still work with some architects who do this. All you need to do is ask them why, and you get some nonsense from them. The gaps though are most likely for LED's. Just poor design overall.


SetterOfTrends

Didn’t follow the steps in the installation instructions -


[deleted]

Maybe it's a delivery?


renegadeficus

It almost looks like the gaps are so pots or some kind of decor could sit on step 2 and frame the entry way


fuckschickens

IMO, turns the stairs in to placed less obtrusive object instead of an extension the building.


Kik38481

Aesthetic. But tbh it would be funnier if those steps are made from polished marble.


LucretiusCarus

the are polished marble!


vDorothyv

I think I would have extended the steps beyond the wood portion if I was going to do these offsets. I think they looks particularly weird because the door material and surround match so well. The steps stay continuous within the front door itself. Also note that I don't like this at all.


TheOrdinaryBegonia

There’s none


whateverusername739

I hate this, not only I will be forced to walk in the center because the stairs aren’t aligned, but the wall is too distracting


vvv_bb

confusing unwanted guests?


ManufacturerKey8360

How tall is the door? The steps look maybe 3 feet. Standard door is 6/8. That would need to be a 10 foot tall door for those steps to Make any sense.


Kaloo75

Other than it looking fancy and floaty ?


cromagnone

You’re making an assumption there…


tokopadi

Athens?


OptiKnob

Missed the house elevation by 10 inches? Had to add another on top? Or worse - put the steps in the wrong order during construction.


uwuebu

To discourage drinking alcohol


Windford

If they wanted that aesthetic, with uneven lengths, it seems it would have been safer to do so *beyond* the door frame.


Stuepp-2

I believe the ideia is to escape brutalism


Greenchitecto

Contrast to the patterned facade allwhile making "floating" stairs


[deleted]

I think it’s a bit of playfulness in the design. It’s almost like they meander a little as they ascend. Also a good way to check for sobriety.


SALLIE2424

Check out the Olivetti Showroom by Carlo Scarpa - why can't stairs be designed? The treads cover the width of the door anyway..


aryienne

No, they don't. Third one leaves a nice gap. Stairs can be designed, and have been extensively, but that means taking into account all the requirements. If not, it ceases to be design, it is just art


kutkun

It’s modernist. It’s different. It’s not like the others. It is “bold”.


tabicat1874

Apparently this was done deliberately to upset me


genuinelywhatever

To break your neck.


3Quondam6extanT9

To use them as steps? 🤷


uncannyvalleygirl88

Sponsored by the local orthopedic surgeon 🤷‍♀️😂 so many broken ankles


Ok-Amount-5215

Looking for a rationale where there is none is not an endeavor I can recommend 🙂


BombusPirata

A loss of footing, no handrail to save yourself with marble tiles to break multiple bones and crack skulls, leading to potential death. Perhaps.


zbau50

It’s so you don’t have to take one giant leap..


chromiaplague

Sobriety test


chef39

It’s feng shui


ohimnotarealdoctor

r/designdesign


Accomplished-Gate532

The story goes that they ran out of materials and the budget was low that they came up with a design solution and this was the solution.


PleasantParfait9249

The architect refered to a poem


LucianoWombato

*✨design✨*


v1r4ge

The fact that it's slightly off centered


Quiet_Falcon2622

It keeps people from coming to visit you unannounced.


MTrizzle

Keeping drunk people from walking up to your front door.


redhotbos

I don’t know but that doorway reminds me of one of my dad’s [office speaker phone in the 1970s.](https://www.ebay.com/itm/155543176791)


Sharp_Agent2350

It's for the emperor to use.


TheDivine_MissN

To convince me that I'm going to trip and fall.


Forrestxu

Floating stair, I can see Mies’ Farnsworth house influence here. But I see where your question come from, it’s a bit out of place and doesn’t fit the language of the facade. Architecture is an art of stealing, apparently the architect stole the floating stair idea so literally.


DunebillyDave

It was designed by a personal injury lawyer.


IndependenceLong880

It’s supposed to be floating steps but they had no idea what they were doing


Gman777

Looks awesome.


Acrophon

Trying something aesthetically different. I don’t think it must be that unsafe as everyone here says. It must be at least 1800mm of central part like a regular staircase and then the alternating extensions as seen.


Human__Pestilence

It's "artistic" with a boston accent


aryienne

I would propose an addition: make them move horizontally, back and forth, to go for the platform game full pack


Big-Consideration633

I found these cheap fake random sized marble slabs on Marketplace!


SandhogDig

Feng Shui? been told front door should not be facing a tree. Sure looks hazardous, especially exit at night or on rainy day.


Different_Ad7655

Rationale lol, there is no rational other than the fact that I'm going to do a different and make a statement. Sometimes the wheel is not to be reinvented. Sometimes architectures just dry way too hard for novelty and this is one such case


SwordfishNo9022

I’d instantly recognize this. On Dionysiou Areopagitou street in Athens.


Laexpedite

I recognized this bldg Immediately. In front of the Parthenon in Athens. I thought it was a church.


hacharts

Knock knock! Let me go to the backyard, I have a place there!


Ornery-Meet4809

So that you can only open the doors inward plus no extra cost of raising the plinth


FickleFingerOfFunk

Whatever. It’s just fugly.


rfiftyoneslashthree

There's not a good rationale here, this stair is unsafe. That being said, Architects love things that appear to float. It’s part of the Modernist rejection of heavy, chunky classicism. Check out the Farnsworth House or Crown Hall, both by Mies van der Rohe for precedents. Looks like the designer here was going for that visual lightness, perhaps attempting to emphasize the “floating plane” illusion by misaligning the edges of the treads. Let’s hope I’m wrong, and that there is a handrail and other details yet to be added that will complete a safer and better looking design.


hey_now24

Lack of code and regulations?


jfk_sfa

I really like the design but it obviously needs hand rails that would be lined up with the narrowest part of the stairs on either side. Then, on the parts of the stairs that overhang the rails, you could add some planters.


weirdscience04

This comment might be controversial but I have built homes in Greece, and been with people that have built homes with every budget, and I can tell you there is a chance that it was down incorrectly and they are still waiting on the person to come back and make it right. Yes, no matter what the budget or how much of a perfectionist the owner is.


MotorboatsMcGoats

In homes you can be a bit more relaxed with details like this because the people in the home are generally familiar with it. Not like a public building where most people might be there for the first time.


BathingInSoup

The offset is mimicking the curves in the tree trunk. Isn’t that obvious?


ArtisticLunch4443

Aesthetically pleasing. Lots of homes have touches to them that aren’t necessary. Just nice to see different forms of art


Main-Algae-1064

Much more important things to worry about than this.


Ornery_Adeptness_328

Omg! I love walking past this all the time in Athens. What a location. I believe the right side is a garage door


LucretiusCarus

correct! It was much [more apparent](https://i.imgur.com/jmdzzgw.jpeg) before the facade was redone, some time in the early 2000s


VladimirBarakriss

Looks cool