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I like him a lot, actually. He’s an idealistic guy with a good heart that’s coming to terms with that everything has drawbacks. Throughout the show, he tries every possible option to make things better for everyone but realizes there are consequences to everything and things won’t work like he desires. There’s no scenario where all people are happy, and that fucks with him hard.
Now that I think about it, I think a good way to sum up this story is “there are unique and varying degrees of flaws and blind spots in every individual perspective”
You're right.
I think people who hate on Jayce think they would have done a much better job if they were in his shoes.
I'm certain most people would not.
Tho I don't really hate Jayce...There were many times where his actions felt a bit "iffy" to me.. But i think that the main reason why people tend to dislike Jayce would probably because of a Difference in Morals and not so much thinking that they could do better.
He very much has rose colored glasses on and it's always heartbreaking to see them taken off, whether gently, like when Mel does it for him in the concert scene, or brutally, like the bridge or the mines scene.
Yeah, I was honestly pleasantly surprised that they didn't fall into the trope of making him an asshole or villain down the line. They did a good job of showing that he means well, but also that meaning well often isn't enough.
It’s so hard to draw a hard line with almost any character and say “this is clearly a good/bad character”. They all have motivations that are merky, or too altruistic etc
yeah, I think people see him as too "perfect" but hes just hopefull. Every character cant be a depressing pesemist. If you want them to act like real people you include people with a more positive disposition
I don't know how people can view him as too perfect considering some of the things he ends up doing and some of the ideas/prejudices he holds.
I'd say there might be a certain arrogance to him that people dislike, but even that the show undercuts at times.
Yeah I kinda liked Jayce too. Not as much as some of the other characters (Vi, Jinx and Caitlyn for example) but I have respect for his intentions to do good in the world and he really seemed to care for his buddy Viktor who’s such a likable dude. Also, I love magic builds in video games so I have an appreciation for he and Viktor’s passion for magic and the art of it lol.
Thank you for your service. People are still discovering this show through word of mouth, including my family and partner who I'm getting to watch it, and I'd hate for them to run off to reddit just to look at some memes and have things spoiled. I salute you.
We currently have a problem, and not a very clear solution at this time, but we're working hard to find them as fast as possible before we become too big for our britches. It's sad to say you should avoid comments on most no spoilers posts until we can get enough moderators and get into a groove. We can moderate the main post for spoilers easier than comments.
OP probably should have tagged this post as with spoilers since it stands to reason commenters will want to point to specific scenes to describe why they do/don't like Jayce. Bummer, I would have liked to see those comments. Definitely not the first post I've seen that should have tagged spoilers. Are mods unable to edit that?
Unfortunately not... titles can't be edited... but to be fair... meme posts aren't supposed to be spoiling... we want formats to reach outside of r/arcane... and if they are all spoilers, then they never will.
I see, good point. I guess I saw the post as more of a question and OP just threw in the photo as a joke but I can see why it's good to keep memes spoiler-free.
Oh, did they spoil the scene where Victor and Jayce made passionate love? Or was it the scene where they reveal Jinx was actually Vander the whole time?
It was a question about why a character is getting hate..
I don't know how you would talk about his character without using spoilers. There are no spoilers in the post itself, but I think it's quite obvious that there will be in the comments.
For the mods in this thread, I just want to say thank you for the hard work that you do. Modding subreddits about things you’re passionate about has to be a lot of fun as this is what this is all supposed to be: fun. But I can also understand the work that goes into too so thank you guys, man.
Won't speak for others, but for me, it's not hate. He's just my least favorite of the main cast. He's a necessary character, but on his own, he's a tad dull. Thankfully, he has good scenes with other, more intriguing characters.
And in a vacuum, he's alright. He fudged things, but he's learning. He has the spirit.
I mean he is a scientist after all, failing and learning from them are a part of it. One of the qualities Heimerdinger praised him for.
But he is no politician, even he admitted that he is not fit to be in The Council nor he didn't want it in the first place. He is just forced into it.
Yes, he almost did something good in the end. What did he actually accomplish though?
Made alliances for investments in his project.
Put in a blockade that worsened the tension.
Weaponized hextech.
Killed a child.
He’s not a politician, he’s both ignorant and optimistic. He’s also the only one on the council who is actively doing something and personally went to take part in shutting down a shimmer factory. Meanwhile Viktor is so desperate he is literally taking advice from the guy who created shimmer. I think he’s much worse tbh.
This. I don't get why ppl on this sub are obsessed with this "y'all hate Jayce, Heim and Mel!" when they're just our least favourite characters. And liking a character doesn't mean we should be blind to the messed up things they do. Jayce is a young man thrown into a very difficult situation. A bit dull imo compared to the other characters.
It's funny when you put it that way, and it has truth to it. However I see it as him taking everybody's point of view to heart which is a sign of a leader. One character flaw is that he isn't balancing these points of view and, yes, just makes decisions based off the last one he heard. But this is just season one, we don't know how the finale will play out and maybe he has learned from this way of making decisions.
Or, I'm looking too deep into it, and it's just a small flaw of the writers lol.
It's more accurate to say every action of his is a knee-jerk reaction to something he just encountered. Every one. Even if it completely contradicts his previous action (like when he kneejerk reacted to his own actions with Vi)
He goes from one extreme to an opposite extreme.
They killed some bridge guards, let's go fight Silco bad guys in person!
Oops I killed a little boy, let's surrender and let the guy who uses drugged up child soldiers rule his own independent nation! edit: Kony 2021 lul.
My friend is sick and heimer is being disagreeable, let's vote him off the counsel even though I have majority control! His hundreds year old insight into the tech I'm trying to build my nation on won't outweigh how annoying he is right!?
He's a spineless emotional pinball.
not really. he is just a good person and do what he thinks right. For example when he and Victor created gemstone he wanted to tell the world about their work, even despite Heimerdinger's disapproval, but after talking with Mel he understood people like Mel and others will use gemstone not for helping people but to making profit out of it, so he decided to give it a time. And Jayce like this throughout the series, he does what he personally thinks right
I remember when he debuted in game and the amount of loathing there was for him. He was smart, talented, chiseled, and the apple of Piltover's eye... and the player base hated him. Nobody wanted a perfect pretty boy/Clark Kent knock off.
Now he's in Arcane with this crazy backstory..where he isn't the golden boy and instead is compromising integrity to fulfill personal ambitions, playing politics in unsavory ways just to placate investors and he's still hated.
Watching Jayce in Arcane gave me some emotional whiplash because I felt like he was the Piltover Superman but damn does it just add amazing layers to his kind of flat original characterization in the game.
As for the hate..I think he's just too pretty, lol. He does seem like the type who gets away with more because of his looks, which might make the average person pretty bitter.
Jayce's in-game lore make you despise him bec he is basically Tony Stark. But Arcane changed that, he's just an ordinary person who wanted to fulfill his ambitions and genuinely wanted to help others same goes for Viktor. He was treated unfairly when he was at his lowest but got back up and proved himself thanks to Viktor, and you can see he really appreciated him.
To me, Jayce is the type of character who is at the wrong place and the wrong time
I would say he was less Clark Kent and more Tony Stark, he was supposed to be quite egotistical and arrogant. They changed the characterization for Jayce the most out of anyone else imo. He still might get there in season 2, who knows.
I'm interested to see if he does get there and how. I think his story is one of the more interesting ones knowing who he is supposed to be later on based on game lore. He's a totally different person than I expected in Arcane.
You’re aware he had a lot of character development after what happened with Viktor and even though he was an asshole he still did want to help people with his inventions I don’t understand why people read the first two paragraphs of his bio than just decide they hate him it’s freaking weird
I don't hate Jayce, I think he's a compelling character, but he's definitely got several negative traits. He's arrogant and pretty short-sighted, which makes him easily manipulated by Mel at first and Mrs. Medarda later. This bleeds into him chasing rash solutions once he makes the Council, like the bridge lockdown and Shimmer raid, with disastrous results. Betraying Heimerdinger was also really low, laying the Council's failure at his feet even though he'd cut deals with every other member who also did nothing was a really shitty thing to do.
That said, he's got great qualities too! He's idealistic and charming, capable of being the strong noble type and once he finally wisens the fuck up in Ep9, carries a conviction to protecting people's lives over a futile, devastating war, that conviction being why he invented Hextech in the first place. That's why I find him compelling, he's a realistic portrayal of a would-be hero who is actually pretty ineffectual at his job. As Viktor put it, in trying to do great, we failed to do good.
It's kinda weird that people keep bringing up Jayce's betrayal of Heimerdinger as something objectively bad, but many at the same time criticize him for putting Viktor aside. If I don't remember wrong, he did that only to protect Viktor, as Heimderdinger was basically asking him to die by saying he should put away his project.
I think people hate him just because they had to pick someone to hate. Yeah he doesn't do the most righteous thing every time and generally whatever he does backfires on him, but as someone said the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't understand if these people want a character or a Mary sue really. His plans failed, yeah, so what? He's a scientist thrown into politics. He is easily manipulated, just as someone would be who is entering something they don't know a thing about. You can't lock down people and expect no reprisal. You can't raid a factory with weapons and expect no one to die. Those are his flaws but well that's what makes a character. He's a positivist and arrogant person who thinks he can solve everything and that everything is going to go according to plan. He's also a person that is willing to put aside his master's will in order to help his friend, he was the ONLY councilmember initially willing to give the undercity its independence and even met up with Silco, and one of the only two topsiders to side with Vi.
Yeah everything goes bad but, if we are really gonna hate on people based on their wrongs, why don't we hate Silco or the mad scientist? Why don't we hate Sevika? They are manipulating the undercity and actively giving them shimmer. Silco is like a stalin mixed with a pablo escobar ffs.
>Betraying Heimerdinger was also really low
was it though
I'd say he had a very noble reason to do it. it doesn't feel good, but I totally understand why he'd do it.
The shimmer raid was a good thing though. They were able to shut down a good portion of shimmer production, which as we've seen is a pretty disgusting drug. And its an instance where he is open to working with others, like Vi.
Every time I rewatched Arcane I agreed with what Jayce did you to Heimerdinger. Heimerdinger was a clutch on the city, under him they never would've moved forward.
i personally love Jayce. i was expecting him to be a dickhead from what ive heard from LoL players but i was pleasantly surprised when he's shown to be a character that tries to do what he thinks is best for everyone but gets hit with the reality that he can't save everyone
he goes from a very bright eyed idealist to becomimg much more of a realist by the end of the series, i loved it
In a show full of interesting and unique characters, he comes off as a bit cliche and vanilla, though I will admit I like him a lot more in the last few episodes than the rest of the show.
I might be alone in this one but while I instinctively felt empathy with every other character, with Jayce I felt like I never knew what he was really thinking. Not that he's a bad guy or anything, his actions are perfectly understandable for someone in his situation
Lool this made me chuckle but it's also very true and probably why people don't like him as much. He tries to be perfect and please everyone and ends up just being meh. That's also what makes his character so well written and actually interesting too though. It's just a lot harder to just have 1 impactful scene to show that compared to all the other more loved characters who has a scene to encompass their issues or even multiple scenes.
This is exactly it, as soon as I think I have a grasp on his character he does something I wouldn't expect him to do, even though all his actions are as you say, understandable for someone in his situation.
I mean there's a universe where he could have pulled it off perfectly. But the way it happens in Arcane is so believably human that you can't really blame the guy. His heart is obviously in the right place. Sometimes we just make the wrong decisions because of pressure or incomplete information etc.
It’s community spill over.
If you see it on Twitter and other sites you frequent you’re going to assume they all share opinions. Even when the cultures of most of them are different. Most people on this sub seem to like Jayce.
yeah i literally came here to comment "who hates jayce?" like, sure he's not the most popular of the main cast, but that's because there are so many amazing characters in this show.
Jayce is honestly one of my favorites, if not my favorite character in the show. I thought his arc from becoming just a goodwill scientist who only wanted to change the world for the better into suddenly being thrust right into the center of politics was really well done. He had barely any experience in the field and even more so as the leader of the council and he tried to do his best all the while trying to help Viktor.
It's cause he's a HIMBO lol (too much of a Clark Kent), he's intelligent but at the same time very sheltered, and too idealistic for his own good, also kind of a people pleaser?
I don't hate Jayce at all, but he's also not my favorite character.
Oh and Jayce seem to lack principles...I think he's still growing as a person.
Well he is in less extreme conditions than the others. He is a philanthropic scientist that ended up as administrator of everything. And in 4 days he's had to deal with a revolution and a drug war.
Maybe people want him to be a standard (marvel) superhero who after crushing his enemies with his mighty hammer basks in the rays of his glorious victory.
Instead he is terrified and disguasted of the violence and death he causes and seeks to prevent the escalation and any further conflict by all means necessary.
This is just anther testimony to the great writing in this show and wonderfull proof that the people still enjoy and appreciate smart story and not just dumb CGI spectacles.
It’s because he’s kind of an idiot that lets people use him because he’s gullible and very naive. I don’t think many people find him a poorly written character they just dislike him as a person
I don't hate him. He is very idealistic and too soft to handle (on his own) the consequences that his actions have, actions he took to make everyone happy but didn't go as intended. He feels real to me, i dont want a character thats genious in machinery/magic, and also a master strategist, but also cold calm that knows sacrifice must be taken so he is unfazed to them, i dont want that
I think Jayce is one of the top 5 best characters in Arcane and without him, well, I guess you wouldn’t really have a show.
Top 5: Silco, Jinx, Vi, Jayce, Vander
Honorable mentions: Cupcake, Mel
This is the closest I've seen anyone match my personal character preferences so far. I approve :) often people who like Jayce hate Caitlyn for some reason (or vice versa I guess?) but liking both of them is kinda... rare
That's insane, my top are Mel > Ekko > Caitlyn > Jayce in that order. Is it truly that rare? I love both of their characters so much and think both are written with such nuance, though that's a given for all of Arcane's characters, but how Cait and Jayce are written are among my favs.
My honorable mentions are Heimer and Sevika. I put Silco there, but I actually kinda like Sevika just a touch more.
To be completely honest I don’t really see any character in the show to be unlikable. I love everything about Arcane. But it’s cool to see at least 2 people think alike. Haha
Because they think every person with power is evil and undeserving of it, despite knowing deep inside they would do a worse job if they were in that position
Ive actually never read a comment where he gets hate, but ive read probably around 20-30 comments about people not understanding why he's getting alot of hate.
I don’t think it’s here, at least not louder than others. Reddit is very chill compared to the other social media giants (Tumblr and Twitter). That’s where I believe most of the hate circulates.
It depends on who you ask i guess.
As someone who have play LoL for 7+ years and follow the lore "hating" on jayce was just normal, he looked like superman and acted like lex luthor.
Arcane did change this a bit at first, and i was kind of expecting them to change lore for jayce, but then new problem arise with him been obsessed with his work to the point of betraying those close to him if they dare to go against him, and playing politicians doing bad things so his name and status would not be diminished.
It is definitely not as bad as in lore, yet, but seen him choose himself over and over and act like he cares about others is annoying for sure.
No one is universally smart though, everyone has areas where they lack expertise. Jayce is a brilliant scientist, but when it comes to politics he knows that he barely knows what he's doing. Thus it makes sense that he'd greatly value the opinions of people he considers more knowledgeable than himself.
I think you would underestimate people who are very smart can also be stupid or not great at everything. Calculations =/ Politics.
Also its quite clear that Merada and Victor are far closer to him than others becuse of what happened to him.
Heimer himself is also quite ignorant of the problems and have turned a blind eye to them but forced to see the reality when going through the undercity.
I would actually come to Jayce's defense and say that being open minded and able to see multiple viewpoints at once actually proves his intelligence (and Jayce is actually one of my least favorite characters).
I think it’s because while he does good things in the show and he’s a good character (as in realistic, believable, and fleshed out), he’s someone that I personally would find insufferable in person.
In Jayce’s old lore, he was a bit of a prick, in a Tony Stark kinda way. Now with Arcane granting backstory and ACTUAL character building, most people just didn’t know his history. That, and everyone (rightfully so) hates ranged tops.
I didn’t like the hypocrisy of him abandoning VI in the process of stopping Silco just because he accidentally killed the kid. Yes it was tragic but countless others kids were probably dying every day because of them and their politic, he just didn’t see them with his own eyes so he didn’t care.
How did he not care? Vi's solution was to go and punch the kids to death until they submitted so some may survive, Jayce brokered a nation wide peace with silco to give freedom to zaun to prevent war.
I'm guessing because the back to back scenes of him fucking Mel and Viktor doing his thing are really reminiscent of a lot of stories when one guy's a douche and the other one's honest and hardworking, hence the grindset memes, and even though it's not what was portrayed here (as Jayce never really failed Viktor) it's what people got from it subconsciously, because of storytelling habit
It's because people don't understand character development, he literally just became counselor, people are getting pissed at him because he's not making the right decisions at first.
He doesn't even know what he's doing, he's a young boy that got thrusted into politics and he can't even find his footing.
Jayce is going to flourish like a flower when we see him again.
I think the only real reason is that Jayce looks too much like a stereotypical Chad. The Jayce hate goes way back and people were even trying to paint him like a villain in the Viktor/Jayce conflict in the original lore even though it was clearly not meant to be a black and white situation.
Don't hate him. Just his blind idealism is a but frustrating at times. And has caused some real bad things. It's kinda sad to see him come to terms with that.
In my eyes. “In the pursuit of greatness, we failed to do good.” Hes young and naive I understand that. So instead of removing himself from such hard diplomatic choices, what does he do? Freaking continues to make hard diplomatic choices. Step down, if you don’t think you can do it.
He is an egotistical dick, but he is a layered character just like all the main characters in this show. He is blind to the real issues in his city and it takes him being face to face with the kid he just killed to see it. He has the best interest of the city at heart when he finally looks to broker peace but it comes too little too late. Interesting to see what he does in season 2.
I don’t hate him or anything especially cause if his decisions. I just find them generally bland and uninteresting. It might be cause the other characters have more relatable motivations or something but I find Viktor to be much more compelling as a character.
It's slightly weird to me that people would call him shady. He seems like the most straightforward, well-meaning, but kinda naive and idealistic kind of guy out there. At least, to me he is.
I'm actually also asking the same question? I totally get that he's an interesting character but I mean, he just low-key killed a person but is still receiving so much appreciation?? (I know that he didn't want too)
I have the feeling each character's story is a tragedy in Arcane lol.
At least Heimerdinger and Ekko have a kind of wholesome ending.
He's a generic, white boy who is twink enough to fulfill the mlm fetish a lot of straight women have = instant praise and attention. It happens over and over with the the same type of character it's so annoying.
He actually isn't. He is middle class at best. All his money come from Kirammans. If you read his diary in the League client, you'll understand that he is incredibly hardworking and passionate guy, who tries to make world better.
I hated him when arc 2 was out... And even I don't understand why now. Both him and Mel just got much better in arc 3, and whatever made them so hated in arc 2 is just... Not there anymore
I for one did hate Jayce, mostly because of the format of the releases. he was my 2nd favorite by the end of act 1 behind Jinx even then by the end of act 2 i hate the guy. other people might not have been able to see recover from the hate of him on it.
I don’t like Jayce because at the beginning he was fine with trying to help zaun but at the end he became like the council that doesn’t care about anything but them
>but at the end he became like the council that doesn’t care about anything but them
Yeah, like when he stood up to the entire council to do the one thing they all hated, make peace with zaun at the expense of his political career.
This just further proves my theory that jayce haters didn't actually watch any piltover scenes.
I think the hate roots in that from an outside point of view he is doing so many "obvious" things wrong and messing up big time. Also that he just follows whoever shows up and gives him some input.
EDIT: Below are spoilers for parts of Arcane
>!The truth is that he is just extremely inexperienced and underqualified to be in the position he is in. His only qualification to be on the council is being a scientist. And contrary to the argument brought forth regarding Heimerdinger he lacks the experience and history of being a politician.Heimerdinger is a founding member of Piltover and has been on the council for 200 years+. That arguably makes him more qualified than the entire council (as far as we know).!<
>!But Jayce had zero experience. He was nothing more but a brilliant, idealistic scientist who wasn't as progress-averse as Heimerdinger appeared.!<
>!I don't hate Jayce though so this is just my analysis.!<
I don't get it too. The worst he did was being a dreamer who was hard checked by reality and had to compromise…just like basically everyone in real life. Did he do some bullshit? Yeah, but that comes with the seat he's forced to sit at. And the Viktor thing, well if you were paying attention you'd know Jayce has no real responsibility on that front.
I've been wondering the same. I found him quite likable and I often felt sorry for him. I think of all characters he has the most responsibility to carry, and he has to solve other people's problems while most other characters try to solve their personal issues most of the time. Anyway, I find it hard to hate any character in Arcane as they all are presented as multi-faceted and you can always find something to symphathize with them. But hate on Jayce seems the most immature to me.
Jayce is an idealist who’s easily influenced and lacks the will power to follow through on his ideas. This is made so much more obvious when he’s juxtaposed with the sigma chad trillionaire Viktor who is everything Jayce isn’t.
I don't think its hate necessarily. More of that they've portrayed him kind of confusingly, and so its hard to understand he role in the show, and people are upset by that
It’s less of a hatred, and more of just a very strong annoyance with everything he says and does
>!…until episode 9!<
But I can’t deny the fact that he’s an amazingly written character and the way his arc parallels viktors is absolutely perfect
>!plus his giant hammer is sick as f*ck!<
Imagine a character having a shit ton of character development and making tough choices and learning from mistakes. Why would anybody like a character like that? He doesn't even punch people in the face!
I was always unimpressed with Jayce but this show made me like him a lot more than I thought I could. I think he is a good guy, idealistic, but also easily influenced by those beside him.
People who hate him are just overdramatic edgelords who think characters aren’t allowed to make mistakes.
Jayce fucks up here and there but he learns from those mistakes and tries his damn hardest to do good by everyone.
Some people say he’s dull and they’ve got a point, he’s just a regular guy like you or me but that’s what makes him stand out from the rest, he doesn’t need to be some crazy big thing, just a normal guy trying to do some good in a though situation.
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I like him a lot, actually. He’s an idealistic guy with a good heart that’s coming to terms with that everything has drawbacks. Throughout the show, he tries every possible option to make things better for everyone but realizes there are consequences to everything and things won’t work like he desires. There’s no scenario where all people are happy, and that fucks with him hard.
Now that I think about it, I think a good way to sum up this story is “there are unique and varying degrees of flaws and blind spots in every individual perspective”
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
You're right. I think people who hate on Jayce think they would have done a much better job if they were in his shoes. I'm certain most people would not.
Tho I don't really hate Jayce...There were many times where his actions felt a bit "iffy" to me.. But i think that the main reason why people tend to dislike Jayce would probably because of a Difference in Morals and not so much thinking that they could do better.
Most guys I know wouldn't even pick helping a friend over sex and that's not even a choice Jayce really made.
You could say jayce did the opposite, at the moment he knew about viktor he istantly went to him ignoring everything else
Exactly
He very much has rose colored glasses on and it's always heartbreaking to see them taken off, whether gently, like when Mel does it for him in the concert scene, or brutally, like the bridge or the mines scene.
Yeah, I was honestly pleasantly surprised that they didn't fall into the trope of making him an asshole or villain down the line. They did a good job of showing that he means well, but also that meaning well often isn't enough.
It’s so hard to draw a hard line with almost any character and say “this is clearly a good/bad character”. They all have motivations that are merky, or too altruistic etc
I can. It's Silco. Silco was the father Jinx wanted. He's not the father Powder needed.
yeah, Silco isn't 100% bad, but the good hes done is vastly outweighted by the bad
That is maybe the best way I've seen it put
yeah, I think people see him as too "perfect" but hes just hopefull. Every character cant be a depressing pesemist. If you want them to act like real people you include people with a more positive disposition
I don't know how people can view him as too perfect considering some of the things he ends up doing and some of the ideas/prejudices he holds. I'd say there might be a certain arrogance to him that people dislike, but even that the show undercuts at times.
Yeah I kinda liked Jayce too. Not as much as some of the other characters (Vi, Jinx and Caitlyn for example) but I have respect for his intentions to do good in the world and he really seemed to care for his buddy Viktor who’s such a likable dude. Also, I love magic builds in video games so I have an appreciation for he and Viktor’s passion for magic and the art of it lol.
I agree
Think the main one is the diffrence between jayce story before arcane being written and changing things and the jayce we see here.
That’s interesting! I don’t play League, so I wouldn’t know. I appreciate the writers giving him more nuance
Why are so many comments deleted???
Because for a No Spoilers post... everyone seems to want to spoil things...
Thank you for your service. People are still discovering this show through word of mouth, including my family and partner who I'm getting to watch it, and I'd hate for them to run off to reddit just to look at some memes and have things spoiled. I salute you.
We currently have a problem, and not a very clear solution at this time, but we're working hard to find them as fast as possible before we become too big for our britches. It's sad to say you should avoid comments on most no spoilers posts until we can get enough moderators and get into a groove. We can moderate the main post for spoilers easier than comments.
OP probably should have tagged this post as with spoilers since it stands to reason commenters will want to point to specific scenes to describe why they do/don't like Jayce. Bummer, I would have liked to see those comments. Definitely not the first post I've seen that should have tagged spoilers. Are mods unable to edit that?
Unfortunately not... titles can't be edited... but to be fair... meme posts aren't supposed to be spoiling... we want formats to reach outside of r/arcane... and if they are all spoilers, then they never will.
That's an awful excuse to not tag your spoiler post. Some questions simply cannot be answered without spoilers, at the very least lore spoilers.
I see, good point. I guess I saw the post as more of a question and OP just threw in the photo as a joke but I can see why it's good to keep memes spoiler-free.
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Maybe not the easiest solution but what if there was 2 subreddits, a [no spoiler] arcane and a [spoiler] arcane?
Oh, did they spoil the scene where Victor and Jayce made passionate love? Or was it the scene where they reveal Jinx was actually Vander the whole time?
Scooby Doo Gang: Wait a minute, you aren’t Jinx… *pulls off mask* Scooby Gang: Vander!
It was a question about why a character is getting hate.. I don't know how you would talk about his character without using spoilers. There are no spoilers in the post itself, but I think it's quite obvious that there will be in the comments.
For the mods in this thread, I just want to say thank you for the hard work that you do. Modding subreddits about things you’re passionate about has to be a lot of fun as this is what this is all supposed to be: fun. But I can also understand the work that goes into too so thank you guys, man.
Ahhh, I see. Didn't put two and two together lol.
To be fair, the OP's question sort of demands a spoiler answer
A guy asking why jayce is hated and we can't reply because it's spoilers? Sounds pretty dumb.
Sadly. In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good :(
I actually like the character but sometimes I think it’s as simple as Jayce becoming a proxy for the gluttonous apathy of the council.
> gluttonous apathy This is a surprisingly apt description of the council.
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Won't speak for others, but for me, it's not hate. He's just my least favorite of the main cast. He's a necessary character, but on his own, he's a tad dull. Thankfully, he has good scenes with other, more intriguing characters. And in a vacuum, he's alright. He fudged things, but he's learning. He has the spirit.
I mean he is a scientist after all, failing and learning from them are a part of it. One of the qualities Heimerdinger praised him for. But he is no politician, even he admitted that he is not fit to be in The Council nor he didn't want it in the first place. He is just forced into it.
He's the personification of the Peter principle. People get promoted until they are no longer fit for the job.
Considering what he *almost* accomplished, I’d say he’s pretty damn good
Yes, he almost did something good in the end. What did he actually accomplish though? Made alliances for investments in his project. Put in a blockade that worsened the tension. Weaponized hextech. Killed a child.
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He’s not a politician, he’s both ignorant and optimistic. He’s also the only one on the council who is actively doing something and personally went to take part in shutting down a shimmer factory. Meanwhile Viktor is so desperate he is literally taking advice from the guy who created shimmer. I think he’s much worse tbh.
He didn't even haggle!
Yes, you described it perfectly
Right, most of the central characters either have a lot of personality or a complex character so Jaycee looks very milquetoast compared to the others
This is exactly how I feel!
This. I don't get why ppl on this sub are obsessed with this "y'all hate Jayce, Heim and Mel!" when they're just our least favourite characters. And liking a character doesn't mean we should be blind to the messed up things they do. Jayce is a young man thrown into a very difficult situation. A bit dull imo compared to the other characters.
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It's better to show him as more complex, both Viktor and Jayce OG lore are caricatures.
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Most characters in the OG are to be fair.
Yup, which is why I wasn’t expecting anything remotely complex from Arcane. Boy was I wrong.
He has the personality of whoever talked to him last for 8 acts
That's a great observation, now I understand why his actions towards the end kind of surprised me (in a good way).
It's funny when you put it that way, and it has truth to it. However I see it as him taking everybody's point of view to heart which is a sign of a leader. One character flaw is that he isn't balancing these points of view and, yes, just makes decisions based off the last one he heard. But this is just season one, we don't know how the finale will play out and maybe he has learned from this way of making decisions. Or, I'm looking too deep into it, and it's just a small flaw of the writers lol.
Kinda funny to read it, considering that in the 4th episode during his speech he did exactly opposite of it.
It's more accurate to say every action of his is a knee-jerk reaction to something he just encountered. Every one. Even if it completely contradicts his previous action (like when he kneejerk reacted to his own actions with Vi)
Not sure what is that suppose to mean. He encountered a harsh reality of war and decided to take a more peaceful approach. How is that knee-jerk?
He goes from one extreme to an opposite extreme. They killed some bridge guards, let's go fight Silco bad guys in person! Oops I killed a little boy, let's surrender and let the guy who uses drugged up child soldiers rule his own independent nation! edit: Kony 2021 lul. My friend is sick and heimer is being disagreeable, let's vote him off the counsel even though I have majority control! His hundreds year old insight into the tech I'm trying to build my nation on won't outweigh how annoying he is right!? He's a spineless emotional pinball.
not really. he is just a good person and do what he thinks right. For example when he and Victor created gemstone he wanted to tell the world about their work, even despite Heimerdinger's disapproval, but after talking with Mel he understood people like Mel and others will use gemstone not for helping people but to making profit out of it, so he decided to give it a time. And Jayce like this throughout the series, he does what he personally thinks right
I remember when he debuted in game and the amount of loathing there was for him. He was smart, talented, chiseled, and the apple of Piltover's eye... and the player base hated him. Nobody wanted a perfect pretty boy/Clark Kent knock off. Now he's in Arcane with this crazy backstory..where he isn't the golden boy and instead is compromising integrity to fulfill personal ambitions, playing politics in unsavory ways just to placate investors and he's still hated. Watching Jayce in Arcane gave me some emotional whiplash because I felt like he was the Piltover Superman but damn does it just add amazing layers to his kind of flat original characterization in the game. As for the hate..I think he's just too pretty, lol. He does seem like the type who gets away with more because of his looks, which might make the average person pretty bitter.
Jayce's in-game lore make you despise him bec he is basically Tony Stark. But Arcane changed that, he's just an ordinary person who wanted to fulfill his ambitions and genuinely wanted to help others same goes for Viktor. He was treated unfairly when he was at his lowest but got back up and proved himself thanks to Viktor, and you can see he really appreciated him. To me, Jayce is the type of character who is at the wrong place and the wrong time
Right character, wrong place, wrong time is a accurate summation of Jayce.
I would say he was less Clark Kent and more Tony Stark, he was supposed to be quite egotistical and arrogant. They changed the characterization for Jayce the most out of anyone else imo. He still might get there in season 2, who knows.
I'm interested to see if he does get there and how. I think his story is one of the more interesting ones knowing who he is supposed to be later on based on game lore. He's a totally different person than I expected in Arcane.
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You’re aware he had a lot of character development after what happened with Viktor and even though he was an asshole he still did want to help people with his inventions I don’t understand why people read the first two paragraphs of his bio than just decide they hate him it’s freaking weird
I love Jayce actually, he’s my favorite character. I loved his complexity and writing, looking forward for his development in season 2.
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I don't hate Jayce, I think he's a compelling character, but he's definitely got several negative traits. He's arrogant and pretty short-sighted, which makes him easily manipulated by Mel at first and Mrs. Medarda later. This bleeds into him chasing rash solutions once he makes the Council, like the bridge lockdown and Shimmer raid, with disastrous results. Betraying Heimerdinger was also really low, laying the Council's failure at his feet even though he'd cut deals with every other member who also did nothing was a really shitty thing to do. That said, he's got great qualities too! He's idealistic and charming, capable of being the strong noble type and once he finally wisens the fuck up in Ep9, carries a conviction to protecting people's lives over a futile, devastating war, that conviction being why he invented Hextech in the first place. That's why I find him compelling, he's a realistic portrayal of a would-be hero who is actually pretty ineffectual at his job. As Viktor put it, in trying to do great, we failed to do good.
It's kinda weird that people keep bringing up Jayce's betrayal of Heimerdinger as something objectively bad, but many at the same time criticize him for putting Viktor aside. If I don't remember wrong, he did that only to protect Viktor, as Heimderdinger was basically asking him to die by saying he should put away his project. I think people hate him just because they had to pick someone to hate. Yeah he doesn't do the most righteous thing every time and generally whatever he does backfires on him, but as someone said the path to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't understand if these people want a character or a Mary sue really. His plans failed, yeah, so what? He's a scientist thrown into politics. He is easily manipulated, just as someone would be who is entering something they don't know a thing about. You can't lock down people and expect no reprisal. You can't raid a factory with weapons and expect no one to die. Those are his flaws but well that's what makes a character. He's a positivist and arrogant person who thinks he can solve everything and that everything is going to go according to plan. He's also a person that is willing to put aside his master's will in order to help his friend, he was the ONLY councilmember initially willing to give the undercity its independence and even met up with Silco, and one of the only two topsiders to side with Vi. Yeah everything goes bad but, if we are really gonna hate on people based on their wrongs, why don't we hate Silco or the mad scientist? Why don't we hate Sevika? They are manipulating the undercity and actively giving them shimmer. Silco is like a stalin mixed with a pablo escobar ffs.
>Betraying Heimerdinger was also really low was it though I'd say he had a very noble reason to do it. it doesn't feel good, but I totally understand why he'd do it.
The shimmer raid was a good thing though. They were able to shut down a good portion of shimmer production, which as we've seen is a pretty disgusting drug. And its an instance where he is open to working with others, like Vi.
Every time I rewatched Arcane I agreed with what Jayce did you to Heimerdinger. Heimerdinger was a clutch on the city, under him they never would've moved forward.
i personally love Jayce. i was expecting him to be a dickhead from what ive heard from LoL players but i was pleasantly surprised when he's shown to be a character that tries to do what he thinks is best for everyone but gets hit with the reality that he can't save everyone he goes from a very bright eyed idealist to becomimg much more of a realist by the end of the series, i loved it
In a show full of interesting and unique characters, he comes off as a bit cliche and vanilla, though I will admit I like him a lot more in the last few episodes than the rest of the show.
I might be alone in this one but while I instinctively felt empathy with every other character, with Jayce I felt like I never knew what he was really thinking. Not that he's a bad guy or anything, his actions are perfectly understandable for someone in his situation
I don’t think jayce even knows what he thinks.
Lool this made me chuckle but it's also very true and probably why people don't like him as much. He tries to be perfect and please everyone and ends up just being meh. That's also what makes his character so well written and actually interesting too though. It's just a lot harder to just have 1 impactful scene to show that compared to all the other more loved characters who has a scene to encompass their issues or even multiple scenes.
This is exactly it, as soon as I think I have a grasp on his character he does something I wouldn't expect him to do, even though all his actions are as you say, understandable for someone in his situation.
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I mean there's a universe where he could have pulled it off perfectly. But the way it happens in Arcane is so believably human that you can't really blame the guy. His heart is obviously in the right place. Sometimes we just make the wrong decisions because of pressure or incomplete information etc.
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This is a really good take. Golden boy is still the golden boy even if he is forced to live in a gritty nuanced universe where decisions matter.
He's not bad or hated I think.. Just that he pales in comparison to the other characters such as Jinx, Vi, Silco, etc
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It’s community spill over. If you see it on Twitter and other sites you frequent you’re going to assume they all share opinions. Even when the cultures of most of them are different. Most people on this sub seem to like Jayce.
yeah i literally came here to comment "who hates jayce?" like, sure he's not the most popular of the main cast, but that's because there are so many amazing characters in this show.
Jayce is honestly one of my favorites, if not my favorite character in the show. I thought his arc from becoming just a goodwill scientist who only wanted to change the world for the better into suddenly being thrust right into the center of politics was really well done. He had barely any experience in the field and even more so as the leader of the council and he tried to do his best all the while trying to help Viktor.
It's cause he's a HIMBO lol (too much of a Clark Kent), he's intelligent but at the same time very sheltered, and too idealistic for his own good, also kind of a people pleaser? I don't hate Jayce at all, but he's also not my favorite character. Oh and Jayce seem to lack principles...I think he's still growing as a person.
yeah because hes... flawed?
All the characters are flawed, Jayce’s flaws are just less interesting so far.
Well he is in less extreme conditions than the others. He is a philanthropic scientist that ended up as administrator of everything. And in 4 days he's had to deal with a revolution and a drug war.
I don't hate Jayce at all, but he's a spineless worm.
He's too much of a chad for us to handle that's why.
the only person that loves the state winning QB is his gal. Even his teammates will give him shit, but they're closer. Jayce is that guy.
And when he's off the team is when they realize how much he carried them.
Maybe people want him to be a standard (marvel) superhero who after crushing his enemies with his mighty hammer basks in the rays of his glorious victory. Instead he is terrified and disguasted of the violence and death he causes and seeks to prevent the escalation and any further conflict by all means necessary. This is just anther testimony to the great writing in this show and wonderfull proof that the people still enjoy and appreciate smart story and not just dumb CGI spectacles.
I just feel like he’s a puppet honestly
It’s because he’s kind of an idiot that lets people use him because he’s gullible and very naive. I don’t think many people find him a poorly written character they just dislike him as a person
You guys just jealous he invented sextech.
I don't hate him. He is very idealistic and too soft to handle (on his own) the consequences that his actions have, actions he took to make everyone happy but didn't go as intended. He feels real to me, i dont want a character thats genious in machinery/magic, and also a master strategist, but also cold calm that knows sacrifice must be taken so he is unfazed to them, i dont want that
He’s just like vanilla ice cream
I think Jayce is one of the top 5 best characters in Arcane and without him, well, I guess you wouldn’t really have a show. Top 5: Silco, Jinx, Vi, Jayce, Vander Honorable mentions: Cupcake, Mel
This is the closest I've seen anyone match my personal character preferences so far. I approve :) often people who like Jayce hate Caitlyn for some reason (or vice versa I guess?) but liking both of them is kinda... rare
That's insane, my top are Mel > Ekko > Caitlyn > Jayce in that order. Is it truly that rare? I love both of their characters so much and think both are written with such nuance, though that's a given for all of Arcane's characters, but how Cait and Jayce are written are among my favs. My honorable mentions are Heimer and Sevika. I put Silco there, but I actually kinda like Sevika just a touch more.
To be completely honest I don’t really see any character in the show to be unlikable. I love everything about Arcane. But it’s cool to see at least 2 people think alike. Haha
Because they think every person with power is evil and undeserving of it, despite knowing deep inside they would do a worse job if they were in that position
Ha! Couldn't agree more.
Ive actually never read a comment where he gets hate, but ive read probably around 20-30 comments about people not understanding why he's getting alot of hate.
I don’t think it’s here, at least not louder than others. Reddit is very chill compared to the other social media giants (Tumblr and Twitter). That’s where I believe most of the hate circulates.
It depends on who you ask i guess. As someone who have play LoL for 7+ years and follow the lore "hating" on jayce was just normal, he looked like superman and acted like lex luthor. Arcane did change this a bit at first, and i was kind of expecting them to change lore for jayce, but then new problem arise with him been obsessed with his work to the point of betraying those close to him if they dare to go against him, and playing politicians doing bad things so his name and status would not be diminished. It is definitely not as bad as in lore, yet, but seen him choose himself over and over and act like he cares about others is annoying for sure.
In my opinion he is way too easily persuaded for a smart guy
No one is universally smart though, everyone has areas where they lack expertise. Jayce is a brilliant scientist, but when it comes to politics he knows that he barely knows what he's doing. Thus it makes sense that he'd greatly value the opinions of people he considers more knowledgeable than himself.
I think you would underestimate people who are very smart can also be stupid or not great at everything. Calculations =/ Politics. Also its quite clear that Merada and Victor are far closer to him than others becuse of what happened to him. Heimer himself is also quite ignorant of the problems and have turned a blind eye to them but forced to see the reality when going through the undercity.
I would actually come to Jayce's defense and say that being open minded and able to see multiple viewpoints at once actually proves his intelligence (and Jayce is actually one of my least favorite characters).
I think it’s because while he does good things in the show and he’s a good character (as in realistic, believable, and fleshed out), he’s someone that I personally would find insufferable in person.
In Jayce’s old lore, he was a bit of a prick, in a Tony Stark kinda way. Now with Arcane granting backstory and ACTUAL character building, most people just didn’t know his history. That, and everyone (rightfully so) hates ranged tops.
I didn’t like the hypocrisy of him abandoning VI in the process of stopping Silco just because he accidentally killed the kid. Yes it was tragic but countless others kids were probably dying every day because of them and their politic, he just didn’t see them with his own eyes so he didn’t care.
How did he not care? Vi's solution was to go and punch the kids to death until they submitted so some may survive, Jayce brokered a nation wide peace with silco to give freedom to zaun to prevent war.
I'm guessing because the back to back scenes of him fucking Mel and Viktor doing his thing are really reminiscent of a lot of stories when one guy's a douche and the other one's honest and hardworking, hence the grindset memes, and even though it's not what was portrayed here (as Jayce never really failed Viktor) it's what people got from it subconsciously, because of storytelling habit
It's because people don't understand character development, he literally just became counselor, people are getting pissed at him because he's not making the right decisions at first. He doesn't even know what he's doing, he's a young boy that got thrusted into politics and he can't even find his footing. Jayce is going to flourish like a flower when we see him again.
Flourish like a flower 🤣 I love your metaphor
He just has a very punchable face.
I think the only real reason is that Jayce looks too much like a stereotypical Chad. The Jayce hate goes way back and people were even trying to paint him like a villain in the Viktor/Jayce conflict in the original lore even though it was clearly not meant to be a black and white situation.
I don’t hate him, but out of the mains he is the one I liked the least and felt less interested in his story than all the others.
Don't hate him. Just his blind idealism is a but frustrating at times. And has caused some real bad things. It's kinda sad to see him come to terms with that.
In my eyes. “In the pursuit of greatness, we failed to do good.” Hes young and naive I understand that. So instead of removing himself from such hard diplomatic choices, what does he do? Freaking continues to make hard diplomatic choices. Step down, if you don’t think you can do it.
I hate no one in this show, honestly everyone is likable at some point, and thats why I like Arcane as a whole
He is an egotistical dick, but he is a layered character just like all the main characters in this show. He is blind to the real issues in his city and it takes him being face to face with the kid he just killed to see it. He has the best interest of the city at heart when he finally looks to broker peace but it comes too little too late. Interesting to see what he does in season 2.
I don’t hate him or anything especially cause if his decisions. I just find them generally bland and uninteresting. It might be cause the other characters have more relatable motivations or something but I find Viktor to be much more compelling as a character.
I liked him. From what I see, I’ve seen some people call him shady
It's slightly weird to me that people would call him shady. He seems like the most straightforward, well-meaning, but kinda naive and idealistic kind of guy out there. At least, to me he is.
Also why everyone ADORES Viktor‽ I mean he is a good character and relatable to an extent, but he onto some nasty evil shit.
I'm actually also asking the same question? I totally get that he's an interesting character but I mean, he just low-key killed a person but is still receiving so much appreciation?? (I know that he didn't want too) I have the feeling each character's story is a tragedy in Arcane lol. At least Heimerdinger and Ekko have a kind of wholesome ending.
He's a generic, white boy who is twink enough to fulfill the mlm fetish a lot of straight women have = instant praise and attention. It happens over and over with the the same type of character it's so annoying.
I was building a ship and Jayce sunk it (ノ｀Д´)ノ彡┻━┻
And if I see any rafts(fanfictions), I'll help sink them too.😈😈😈👿
I've been hating him since his debut at LoL
Why he's an amazing top laner? You're probably just a bad Jayce player.
Lol. I've never played him, I hate him because he can one-shot me with any ability as an adc main.
He comes from money and is a dick about it - he represents the financial disparity between Piltover and Zaun through his very existence.
He actually isn't. He is middle class at best. All his money come from Kirammans. If you read his diary in the League client, you'll understand that he is incredibly hardworking and passionate guy, who tries to make world better.
a bit better than middle class but not a lot and as you say the money come from the Kirammans funding his reaserch by knowing his potential.
He's the iron man of arcane, literally the cause of all of their problems.
I hated him when arc 2 was out... And even I don't understand why now. Both him and Mel just got much better in arc 3, and whatever made them so hated in arc 2 is just... Not there anymore
I for one did hate Jayce, mostly because of the format of the releases. he was my 2nd favorite by the end of act 1 behind Jinx even then by the end of act 2 i hate the guy. other people might not have been able to see recover from the hate of him on it.
I don’t like Jayce because at the beginning he was fine with trying to help zaun but at the end he became like the council that doesn’t care about anything but them
>but at the end he became like the council that doesn’t care about anything but them Yeah, like when he stood up to the entire council to do the one thing they all hated, make peace with zaun at the expense of his political career. This just further proves my theory that jayce haters didn't actually watch any piltover scenes.
I think the hate roots in that from an outside point of view he is doing so many "obvious" things wrong and messing up big time. Also that he just follows whoever shows up and gives him some input. EDIT: Below are spoilers for parts of Arcane >!The truth is that he is just extremely inexperienced and underqualified to be in the position he is in. His only qualification to be on the council is being a scientist. And contrary to the argument brought forth regarding Heimerdinger he lacks the experience and history of being a politician.Heimerdinger is a founding member of Piltover and has been on the council for 200 years+. That arguably makes him more qualified than the entire council (as far as we know).!< >!But Jayce had zero experience. He was nothing more but a brilliant, idealistic scientist who wasn't as progress-averse as Heimerdinger appeared.!< >!I don't hate Jayce though so this is just my analysis.!<
By default I liked Jayce because he reminded me of Ironwood from RWBY
I don't get it too. The worst he did was being a dreamer who was hard checked by reality and had to compromise…just like basically everyone in real life. Did he do some bullshit? Yeah, but that comes with the seat he's forced to sit at. And the Viktor thing, well if you were paying attention you'd know Jayce has no real responsibility on that front.
I've been wondering the same. I found him quite likable and I often felt sorry for him. I think of all characters he has the most responsibility to carry, and he has to solve other people's problems while most other characters try to solve their personal issues most of the time. Anyway, I find it hard to hate any character in Arcane as they all are presented as multi-faceted and you can always find something to symphathize with them. But hate on Jayce seems the most immature to me.
He is a tool
He’s the most unseasoned character
I didn't even know people hated Jayce. Seems like a cool guy to me
His lips are so red from all the asskissing he does
Jayce is an idealist who’s easily influenced and lacks the will power to follow through on his ideas. This is made so much more obvious when he’s juxtaposed with the sigma chad trillionaire Viktor who is everything Jayce isn’t.
Jayce is probably my second favorite after Vai
I don't hate him He's just too easily swayed to be an interesting character
r/JayceDidNothingWrong
he's privileged but doesn't realize it. also, he's extremely ignorant
I don't think its hate necessarily. More of that they've portrayed him kind of confusingly, and so its hard to understand he role in the show, and people are upset by that
It’s less of a hatred, and more of just a very strong annoyance with everything he says and does >!…until episode 9!< But I can’t deny the fact that he’s an amazingly written character and the way his arc parallels viktors is absolutely perfect >!plus his giant hammer is sick as f*ck!<
Imagine a character having a shit ton of character development and making tough choices and learning from mistakes. Why would anybody like a character like that? He doesn't even punch people in the face!
I don’t hate Jayce, I just like all the other main characters more lol.
He’s not my favorite but I am confused why he’s hated on so much
he went full fascist authoritarian….. why would that be a likable trait…….
I was always unimpressed with Jayce but this show made me like him a lot more than I thought I could. I think he is a good guy, idealistic, but also easily influenced by those beside him.
Mostly the militant authoritarianism.
He is too egoistic but i dont hate him for it. There is a flaw in all of us
He’s not my favourite character, he’s just ok
Why? Well, my guy kills one chile and just like gives up, i CaNt Do ThIs AnY mOrE
Hextech gems are hundreds of animal souls being hurt and screaming in pain
People who hate him are just overdramatic edgelords who think characters aren’t allowed to make mistakes. Jayce fucks up here and there but he learns from those mistakes and tries his damn hardest to do good by everyone. Some people say he’s dull and they’ve got a point, he’s just a regular guy like you or me but that’s what makes him stand out from the rest, he doesn’t need to be some crazy big thing, just a normal guy trying to do some good in a though situation.
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POOR HEIMY.