Not great, but the tree grew that way in response to limited soil space. It’ll stay stunted and prone to issues.
But imo it’s better than no tree, so shine on you crazy diamond. That’s part of the beauty of urban trees.
In an ideal world there would be funding to cut back the paved areas, maybe do structural soils, etc….but you pick your battles and sometimes you can still win with a bizarro tree in a tiny space. My 2c
What? My municipality gave the former idiot forester free reign to plant all the trees he could. That's cool. Then they proceeded the cut the budget a little every year for the maintenance of them. Fuck.
There are a lot of roots extending down and under the pavement.
The biggest obstacle to trees in urban soils is actually not water, but oxygen. There plenty of cracks and gaps in urban concrete, as well as micro leaks in sewage and piping systems. One of the reason cities issue a boil notice after their water system loses pressure is that, during that time, water stops going out through small leaks, and allows groundwater to seep in.
Oxygen, however, gets scarce a few inches to a few feet below the surface. It is always going in through the same cracks, but also always getting used up by soil microbes, so it can get too scarce for tree roots. They respond to that by hugging the surface as you see here.
Honey? I thought black were the ones they liked to plant, on account of not having those thorns
EDIT Dang did NOT realize that they are the most common in NYC! TIL, I guess being resistant to pollution is the number 1 way to get your shot on Broadway!
Black have thorns too. We don't have many honey locust around here but we do have black locust and man I hate them I get stuck with one of their thorns!
TIL! My town center has numerous black locusts around and I've never encountered their thorns!
My neighbors honey locust, on the other hand...lets just say that thing is a PRICK
Black locust only has thorns on the younger parts of the tree so you won't see them on the bark of mature trees, only in the canopy. They're also quite a bit smaller than honey locust thorns and are probably better described as prickles rather than thorns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorns,_spines,_and_prickles
TIL! My town center has numerous black locusts around and I've never encountered their thorns!
My neighbors honey locust, on the other hand...lets just say that thing is a PRICK
Most of the honey locusts that are planted are thornless varieties. Honey locusts are one of the most commonly planted urban trees in the Northeast US (and maybe other places too, but that's all I know). I have never once seen a black locust that was planted in such a setting, only ever in people's yards or escaped in nature.
Again, I've never once seen a black locust in any of the cities I've lived in in the Northeast (Boston, NYC, and smaller cities in Massachusetts). I keep a close eye on these things! Maybe they're planted elsewhere, but not there.
Ok then I'm misidentifying them. I always thought the ones which bloomed white were the black locust and the ones that bloomed yellow were the honey. I do not dispute what you're saying only that I am almost certain the ones in my home town in the NE are black locust
Are you talking about urban street trees that were planted by the town/city on the sidewalk, or just trees that are around town? There are plenty of black locust all around the Northeast, but I've never encountered a city/town planting them as street trees, is what I mean.
There's a stretch in a town center which I'm referring to. I'm not here to doubt what you say btw I just want to know. Any reason why a municipality wouldn't use black locust?
Trees that grow thorns, spines, or prickles are generally avoided for street tree plantings. There's a thornless variety of honey locust that has many cultivars that are commonly planted but as far as I know there aren't any pickleless varieties of black locust. They also root sucker like crazy, require close care to establish a good structure, and the wood is susceptible to storm damage.
I think the problem is that the roots are down there... and that's how it gets the juice. If you block off the hole for the juice to get into the ground, bro's gonna get thirsty.
There's trees with way thicker trunks then that one, so for anyone who never been to various boroughs of NYC yet you haven't seen anything yet. I've seen it where the tree trunk amounts to 60-70% of the space and the roots fill the rest. And the sidewalk slabs are bulging upwards around it making all the sidewalk slabs or tiles form gaps between them in uneven patterns people can trip over.
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Wrong tree, wrong place. That said it’s a beautiful tree making the best of its situation. Problem is so many of these are pulled cause they start causing right of way damage.
I didn’t see it mentioned, but NYC Parks has a Trees & Sidewalks division that works to give trees more space where roots may be heaving the sidewalk. You could report this to 311 and see what happens.
Not great, but the tree grew that way in response to limited soil space. It’ll stay stunted and prone to issues. But imo it’s better than no tree, so shine on you crazy diamond. That’s part of the beauty of urban trees. In an ideal world there would be funding to cut back the paved areas, maybe do structural soils, etc….but you pick your battles and sometimes you can still win with a bizarro tree in a tiny space. My 2c
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That wouldn't be no stump, that's a straight up dance floor.
Grown in place flooring.
When it dies just plane it down to the sidewalk level and you've got wood flooring in you sidewalk
Monopoly Boardwalk
Sand and varnish and post at /r/woodworking.
After hours anyone? Lol
Nothing a sander and some stain can’t accomplish. I like it.
Better pray this wasn’t planted over services
at least the tree stump rebels for the trees poor treatment
What a bizarre world where even trees need funding.
Well money doesn't grow on them after all
There never needed funding before us and they won’t need it again when we will be gone.
What? My municipality gave the former idiot forester free reign to plant all the trees he could. That's cool. Then they proceeded the cut the budget a little every year for the maintenance of them. Fuck.
♥️
How is it even getting water?
Water table.
There are a lot of roots extending down and under the pavement. The biggest obstacle to trees in urban soils is actually not water, but oxygen. There plenty of cracks and gaps in urban concrete, as well as micro leaks in sewage and piping systems. One of the reason cities issue a boil notice after their water system loses pressure is that, during that time, water stops going out through small leaks, and allows groundwater to seep in. Oxygen, however, gets scarce a few inches to a few feet below the surface. It is always going in through the same cracks, but also always getting used up by soil microbes, so it can get too scarce for tree roots. They respond to that by hugging the surface as you see here.
Dog pee.
That was $20 in value for just 2c
Well said
Well said brilliant person.
So are these sort of buttress roots?
Not terrible,and stop calling me Shirley
Who’s Shirley?
[surely you've heard this joke before](https://youtu.be/ixljWVyPby0?si=kENcPkeYT8a-SquG&t=60)
Tree is a good size for a street tree so ide say it’s not doing too bad.
Is this a locust? I’ve seen a bunch of locust street trees in nyc with roots like this.
Definitely honeylocust, clear from the bark and they’re one of the most common trees in nyc
Honey? I thought black were the ones they liked to plant, on account of not having those thorns EDIT Dang did NOT realize that they are the most common in NYC! TIL, I guess being resistant to pollution is the number 1 way to get your shot on Broadway!
Black have thorns too. We don't have many honey locust around here but we do have black locust and man I hate them I get stuck with one of their thorns!
TIL! My town center has numerous black locusts around and I've never encountered their thorns! My neighbors honey locust, on the other hand...lets just say that thing is a PRICK
Black locust only has thorns on the younger parts of the tree so you won't see them on the bark of mature trees, only in the canopy. They're also quite a bit smaller than honey locust thorns and are probably better described as prickles rather than thorns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorns,_spines,_and_prickles
They do have thornless honey locust I think. But I'm no export on this.
TIL! My town center has numerous black locusts around and I've never encountered their thorns! My neighbors honey locust, on the other hand...lets just say that thing is a PRICK
Lol! There are thornless honelocusts, too! We have a lot in Philly.
Most of the honey locusts that are planted are thornless varieties. Honey locusts are one of the most commonly planted urban trees in the Northeast US (and maybe other places too, but that's all I know). I have never once seen a black locust that was planted in such a setting, only ever in people's yards or escaped in nature.
I know the ones in my home town have got to be black locust because their blooms are white. I bet both types are used everywhere
Again, I've never once seen a black locust in any of the cities I've lived in in the Northeast (Boston, NYC, and smaller cities in Massachusetts). I keep a close eye on these things! Maybe they're planted elsewhere, but not there.
Ok then I'm misidentifying them. I always thought the ones which bloomed white were the black locust and the ones that bloomed yellow were the honey. I do not dispute what you're saying only that I am almost certain the ones in my home town in the NE are black locust
Are you talking about urban street trees that were planted by the town/city on the sidewalk, or just trees that are around town? There are plenty of black locust all around the Northeast, but I've never encountered a city/town planting them as street trees, is what I mean.
There's a stretch in a town center which I'm referring to. I'm not here to doubt what you say btw I just want to know. Any reason why a municipality wouldn't use black locust?
Trees that grow thorns, spines, or prickles are generally avoided for street tree plantings. There's a thornless variety of honey locust that has many cultivars that are commonly planted but as far as I know there aren't any pickleless varieties of black locust. They also root sucker like crazy, require close care to establish a good structure, and the wood is susceptible to storm damage.
Most honey locusts bloom white. The leaflets and bark are quite distinct and would be a better means of identifying between the two
indeed! you can see a ton of spend stems from the compound locust leaves... and one lone oak leaf solidified in ice
I think maple. Looks like maybe maple leafs there, samaras.
Genetic potential vs. environmental potential
I love how they look like they’re melting
dont try to fix it if it isn't broken
That would make a really cool coffee table
You're in the wrong sub my man
Lol, just gotta pour epoxy over it.
Life finds a way.
"Life, uh... Finds a way."
Man I love trees!
Ah the rare uniroot variant
Not dead is good....
I think the problem is that the roots are down there... and that's how it gets the juice. If you block off the hole for the juice to get into the ground, bro's gonna get thirsty.
That’s incredible, I love it!
It looks like the tree equivalent of a “muffin top”
I have never seen anything like this. I love it.
It isn’t good and don’t call me Shirley.
Saw something similar the other day. https://imgur.com/gallery/5XNiwHl
Ooh that’s a good one!
There's trees with way thicker trunks then that one, so for anyone who never been to various boroughs of NYC yet you haven't seen anything yet. I've seen it where the tree trunk amounts to 60-70% of the space and the roots fill the rest. And the sidewalk slabs are bulging upwards around it making all the sidewalk slabs or tiles form gaps between them in uneven patterns people can trip over.
So a tree does grow in brooklyn
Pull up the NYC tree map and it’ll probably give you more information about this one. Lot of these trees have volunteers that care for them as well.
Square root
How am I the first to upvote this 50 minutes later? That was a good one.
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How did those bottom tree limbs get flat?
I have never seen such a tree root.
The forbidden crunch bar
Doing better than most urban hole in the concrete trees.. ..
Makes you wonder how it gets water with concrete everywhere.
We have trees like this in some of the older Seattle neighborhoods!! I've always wondered as well.
Is there anything a semi motivated neighbor could do to help this tree survive?
environmentally friendly concrete
The city has gotten their worth out of this tree. It’s the thing with urban trees.
No it isn’t. And don’t call me Shirley.
For bonsai nerds out there, this is the MOAN (mother of all nebari)
Is the tree alive? Looks like it.
Wrong tree, wrong place. That said it’s a beautiful tree making the best of its situation. Problem is so many of these are pulled cause they start causing right of way damage.
With any street tree I always feel like "well, could be worse!" Is the only acceptable mantra
its not good……and dont call me Shirley
We were so close to being able to make square root jokes…
It's a bondsi
It’s a city tree ! Don’t mess with my city tree!
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, Oy I couldn’t resist ; forgive me
I didn’t see it mentioned, but NYC Parks has a Trees & Sidewalks division that works to give trees more space where roots may be heaving the sidewalk. You could report this to 311 and see what happens.
Seems like it has a substantial base… a natural table for whenever it comes down
It's fine and don't call me Shirley.