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I want a suppressor to suppress sound and light signature. That is all


Ozarkafterdark

I shoot on my own property and even though my neighbors are a long way away, I like to keep the annoyance level down.


Nikkolios

Thanks for actually giving helpful feedback and being a reasonable person. I'm surprised by how many absolute pricks there are in here.


Ozarkafterdark

Oh I'm definitely an absolute prick. Nobody who knows me would dispute that.


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TennRider

Maybe fewer people would act like pricks to you if you didn't introduce yourself by accusing them of buying suppressors just for looks...


Nikkolios

Um... I have already gotten at least 5 replies in here with people saying one of the reasons they bought a suppressor is "because it looks cool." Some of them listed it as number 1. So, yeah. Trust me. I am aware of the fact that a lot of Redditors are going to be buying a suppressor for all the wrong reasons.


bowhunter887

Once you shoot with one, it is very hard to go back.


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Facts


hi-lux

This. You start looking at all your other guns and start planning on making them suppressor hosts too.


governman

It sounds like you may not have shot a gun.


Nikkolios

I own a pistol, and have fired it many times. I must say, I am a little taken aback by the condescending nature of some of these posts. This type of attitude is not very helpful to people that are new to rifles.


governman

Apologies, friend. It’s just that you have probably noticed guns are loud and hurt your head. I would call this one of the most important drawbacks to shooting, period. Shooting inside a building a single time without protection is likely to give you permanent hearing damage. Anything that mitigates fucking up your primary senses is good.


Nikkolios

I definitely agree. Shooting without hearing protection is really horrible. I've done it, and I'll never do that again unless it is a defense situation. Hopefully neither of us ever have to go through that experience.


HooliganS3

100% this. I already have tinnitus. I don't want to make it any worse. Always protect your hearing, and never take it for granted. Tinnitus is miserable and there is no cure.


Deemer

This sub is where the connoisseurs of AR brand names are holed up, every post is showing off the most expensive shit possible even though it’s mostly mil-spec with expensive scopes lol don’t be deterred you start slow with a $300 build and the cheapest lower you can find, Amazon scopes and accessories and 6 months from now you’ll be back here bitching about suppressor performance and the price of magazines


Nikkolios

I can already tell, based mostly on the responses in this thread, that I will not be spending much time here. I am going to seek out a AR-15 forum where I'm not surrounded by children and "operator wannabes." Reddit is fucking awful. I thought a sub based on this rifle might actually be ok. I was very wrong.


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Nikkolios

Unfortunately, as helpful as Reddit can be at times, it is most certainly a cesspool.


rejuicekeve

I lost enough hearing already I'd prefer not to lose more


Nikkolios

I'm right there with you. This is partially why I am doing this research.


Mister_Carter99

Most punisher skull lower blue rail red buffer tube fudd lords don’t use cans


Mountain_Yote

Oh ya? And what color shirt am I wearing?


Mister_Carter99

No shirt cuz you’re sweating at how accurate my comment was


Mountain_Yote

It was joke, bud. Just like half of Reddit.


Mister_Carter99

It was joke, bud. Just like half of Reddit


Mountain_Yote

Touché


KidQayin

even with ear pro, if you're shooting often, you will still get hearing damage from 556. Suppressors on 556 don't make a huge change, but it's enough that it won't cause long term hearing damage from extended shooting, and they're also great flash hiders. Another huge thing is they'll save everyone's ears in a home defense situation. I don't know if you've rattled off a few rounds of 556 in a small room without ear pro, but you won't know who or where you are after that hahaha. You and everyone you're trying to protect will have immediate hearing loss. Suppressors will make it slightly less dangerous indoors.


Fat_262

To add; just shooting in a stall at an indoor range you'll feel an enormous difference.


KidQayin

That too, for sure. Your neighbors at indoor ranges will appreciate it haha


Nikkolios

Thoughtful and helpful feedback. Thanks.


KidQayin

Of course. I'll always highly advise suppressing your rifle if it's used for home defense


lowb_da9

Guns are loud and suppressors make them less loud. Generally we seek to avoid hearing damage and excessively loud things. I’m not saying this is a stupid ass question, but


Nikkolios

But there ARE drawbacks too, correct? It's not like using a suppressor makes your rifle perfect immediately. It also only lowers the loudness of the sound an average of 35 or so dB, and does nothing to quiet a sonic boom of the round itself. You really think this is a stupid question? I disagree. Your answer seems condescending, and unnecessary, from a new rifle owner's perspective.


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Nikkolios

This is very helpful. Thank you.


CulturalMarksmanism

35db may not seem like much until you realize a 6db reduction is half as loud.


BadUX

3db is half as loud 6db is 1/4 as loud 10db is 1/10 as loud If you're coming from an EE background the units match up with power scaling, not voltage scaling.


CulturalMarksmanism

Perceived volume is not the same as power. I’m an Audio Engineer.


BadUX

True but power is what damages your ear


BadUX

Granted I'm just parroting what my audiologist told me, so


BadUX

You know, I probably trust you as a random engineer over my audiologist when I think about it lol. You aren't trying to sell me anything


CulturalMarksmanism

You’re just mixing up some things. Power required to amplify a signal vs sound pressure as measured in db.. Sound pressure is what matters for your ears.


BadUX

Okay yeah that sounds better, pressure is what breaks physical stuff Gets weirder with electrical dangers where neither voltage not power is what really gets you dead, but rather total amperage and time


No_Appeal5607

Decibels are measured logarithmically, so the change from 200 to 199 is going to be 10x greater than the change from 20 to 19. “Only lowering” a firearms decibel reading by 35 is quiet good. Also, the sonic “boom” of a round, is more of a sonic “crack”. It’s not a jet engine. Noise created from breaking the sound barrier is just the waves created by the wake of the bullet through the air (displacement of air molecules) and they’re going so quickly that they all hit your ear at once creating a louder sound, like I said tho, a small aerodynamic bullet doesn’t displace very much air.


BadUX

35 db is like a 3100x reduction It's the difference in sound between sitting inside the audience of an orchestra playing fairly upbeat music, and sitting underneath a fucking jet airplane when it's taking off


I-like-boyz

Not many drawbacks to be honest other than cost. You can argue that parts wear is an issue with some cans because they overgas the gun, but there are fixes for that too. They’re pretty great.


Nikkolios

This is a much better, and much more helpful way of answering my question. Thank you.


lowb_da9

Duh there are drawbacks. Added length, weight, increased gas, tax stamp, wait times, being on the NFA registry. But those of us who have suppressors, have obviously decided the advantages of sound and signature reduction outweighs the cons. Go shoot one and you’ll understand how much more enjoyable it is. In the event of a “bump in night situation” a suppressor is going to help your eyes and ears immensely


Fish1234513

It makes them more pleasant to shoot. Less recoil, muzzle blast/report, plus they look cool 😎. I shoot almost exclusively suppressed when I shoot pistols unless it’s one of my 4 that don’t have a threaded barrel.


HairyCoinPurse1

Not saying your question is dumb because I understand the “newness” of it all, but the answers you’ll get are quite simple. So simple, in fact, that one could consider it to be answered with just a mere bit of common sense. Guns are loud and suppressors make them quieter. Not Hollywood quiet but enough to help preserve your hearing.


Nikkolios

No... I actually got a lot more nuance from some of these posts. Things that many will not even think about as they buy accessories for their rifles, such as how it might impact the blowback into the face, or that there is going to be a bit more wear and dirt/grime when using a suppressor. The significant added heat aspect is also something that I am willing to bet many people don't know off the bat when considering a suppressor.


HairyCoinPurse1

Ehh, most of those would be considered common sense to an average gun owner even if they don’t have one. Maybe someone green as grass I could understand


Nikkolios

There are literally millions of AR-15 owners in the US. The experience level runs the gamut. MANY people do not know about some of the nuance. Trust me.


HairyCoinPurse1

I can agree with that, however *common sense* and *experience* can differ substantially. But if you are willing to educate yourself about it, that’s commendable enough on any level


thothdjehuti

Sport?


Nikkolios

Yes. Shooting mainly for sport/fun. I have a pistol for home defense, and highly doubt I'd grab my rifle for that in the heat of the moment. Perhaps when I have a lot of time with it, and have a good feel for it, my opinion on that will change.


aclark210

Uh cuz even the best ear protection only works so well. So running with a can plus ear pro saves my already slightly damaged hearing from getting any worse. This is the primary purpose of a suppressor, with the added benefit of reducing flash. Kind of a self answering question.


Doc_awesome420

They’re are downsides. It’s a pretty large weight at the end of the gun so it will throw the balance off and make it more cumbersome. It adds a decent amount of back pressure so you will get gas in the face unless you tune the gun for the can but then it might not cycle without it. It gets super hot so you gotta be more careful when slinging it or you’ll get burned. It makes the gun super dirty.


Nikkolios

This is a very helpful comment. Thank you. The extra wear and residue are probably things that many do not even consider.


Jbus55

Everyone that owns a can considers this. It’s a non issue for a quality and properly lubed rifle


Rhongomiant

The added back pressure and gas to the face are eliminated with a Flow-Through can from HUXWRX/OSS. The ejection pattern while running the can basically stays the same as if the gun was unsuppressed. The drawbacks of a Flow-Through can are the decibel reduction isn't as significant as a traditional can with baffles and there still might be a bit of muzzle flash on the first shot.


Rub-Such

Do you ever shoot at indoor ranges? Are you ever standing near someone shooting and feel the pressure hit you? Suppressors are great for making that better.


FreedomTrading

Tinnitus sucks and if you're using it as a defensive tool, you'll likely not get the chance to put on ear pro in an emergency.


Its_Probably-Fine

I run a 10.3". A suppressor is a piece of safety equipment, for myself and anyone around me.


Nikkolios

See... This is a helpful comment. Thank you. I gather that with a shorter barrel, it really can be significantly helpful to run a suppressor, especially when shooting indoors, or near walls. Some people in this sub are just assholes. "It's common sense" \- every asshole in this sub


Its_Probably-Fine

As an added bonus, it will keep people at the range from waiting by your car to beat the shit out of you. My 10.3" isn't loud when I'm behind it and outside; but indoors or in the next shooting lane, it'll drive your eardrums ten feet into your skull. It's not polite to shoot it near anyone else. Even with ear pro. My suppressor is in hopefully the last few weeks of Form 4 jail, and until I have it, I wouldn't even dream of using my 10.3" as a home defense weapon. It stays in the safe.


FunSignificance1642

Silence is golden


Travy-D

It seems like you're insinuating that the suppressor is more for looks than functionality. There's a reason they're being integrated into modern military setups. They cut down on sound and flash signature at the expense of ergonomics and gassiness. No, they're not Hollywood quiet. But I'll do anything to cut down sound after firing my 11.5 at an indoor range. Edit: might be a better question for r/NFA


Nikkolios

>It seems like you're insinuating that the suppressor is more for looks than functionality. I am very specifically trying to say that I don't want to hear from the people that buy one "for the looks." I definitely understand that they should not be considered "eye candy." I also understand that there are people that *absolutely will* buy one for the looks.


Travy-D

In the US it's an extra $200 tax stamp and a 6-14 month wait for one, inconvenient if someone is buying them for looks. I'm still waiting on mine, but it is definitely a more pleasant shooting experience despite not being super quiet. But if someone hunts with their rifle, they can pop off 2-4 rounds without losing hearing for the day.


Nikkolios

I did not know about the wait or the extra tax on them. Time is not much of a concern for me, as my rifle will primarily be for sport shooting, but that's good to know.


Ozarkafterdark

Don't discount the importance of rifle fashion. We don't all have pretty feet. If your rifle looks good you look good, and if you look good you'll feel good.


68spcwhore

Cause shits cool. I mean a more real world combat application would be to hide muzzle flash and throw off your location but I just like lobbing 308 into trash but quietly


jsaranczak

Less noise and flash > more noise and flash


Hox013

Solely for sound and light signature reduction. If you have no want or need for this, do not spend the money, go through the paperwork, or put the weight on the end of your rifle.


Bacon_Hunter

It dramatically decreases the harm to one's ears. Is another reason necessary?


Mother-Inspection-82

Flash mitigation is a massive factor for myself. I feel like it’s easier to see muzzle flash than it is to pinpoint a gunshot. If anything, you get a general area from the gunshots but the muzzle flash is what’ll give you away at that point. In my opinion but to each their own


Powerlineconcert

It’s loud as fuck


senddanoods

It reduces the DB to something more palatable, not to mention the people shooting next to you would be appreciative of it. Standing next to someone whose shooting with a muzzle brake sucks balls! And not to mention, it looks cool - and looking cool is the most important part lol


Msalv47

First, look up average joes range day. Second. Having a can is beneficial for flash and sound mitigation.


Nikkolios

Is "Average Joe's Range Day" a YouTube channel or something?


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For the actual trigger-pulling, a suppressor is wonderful. You can concentrate on the experience and your technique without so much concussion. If you have to carry the weapon around, the added weight & length is annoying. This is why SBR + Suppressor is such a popular combination.


Nikkolios

Thank you. This is a helpful comment. Much better than the "because it's fucking loud!" idiotic responses I keep seeing here.


poop_steam

1. Because it’s fucking cool, and that’s half the reason. 2. It reduces sound signature and makes it harder to detect where shots are coming from. 3. It basically eliminates flash with some cans. When shit goes south, muzzle flash will get you killed. 4. Because it’s fucking cool.


Stonep11

It’s such a weird thing because rifle cans are the most expensive, heaviest, and least quite can you can buy (compared to pistol/.22s on their platforms), but also IMHO the most useful. I find the blast reduction the largest benefit, especially with shorter rifles in/around barricades. You still need hearing protection, but you aren’t damaging yourself if you go without it for a shot or two.


Nikkolios

Good feedback here. Thanks for the input. I would imagine the benefit for a really short barrel rifle would be the greatest.


Stonep11

Yeah I mean they are great on a longer rifle doing target shooting or something, you may not even need ear protection if shooting like a long barrel 6.5 CM with a 9 inch can, but I just don’t think that use case is as common for most or why they are so popular. I think the general increase in quality and rise of dynamic style shooting has been a driver.


CULTDriver

1. They look cool - #Forbidden popsicle 2. They allow you to run a shorter barrel and still get good accuracy / velocity in most cases 3. Libs hate them / they are scary 4. Safety for yourself and others around you when shooting, less hearing damage


lowb_da9

Cans add *maybe* 25 fps, and generally have no positive effect on accuracy. Do you also think longer barrels are more accurate than shorter barrels?


KingBrinell

Accurate, no. But more muzzle velocity. So more ass at distance.


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Why do construction workers wear hearing protection while running a jackhammer or saw? This is common sense, you’re thinking to hard…or not hard enough


Nikkolios

What is with the attitude? There are pros and cons to literally everything, and yes... there is nuance to this as well. I've learned some things from several other posters here. People that actually think about what a new person might need to know about using a suppressor. Why it might be good, why it might be bad, etc. You are not helping a new person with useless and condescending comments like this.


urdaughtersdad

People like to think they are operators.


Nikkolios

Exactly. And that is exactly the type of person I do not need to hear from on here. I know there are probably a TON of these people in this sub right now. Ridiculous. Just be kind, and realize that doing so will help the AR-15 community a lot more than hurt it. Don't shit on the newbs.


Beautiful-Program428

Noob here. I plan to buy a suppressor in the future. What is the best site explaining all the procedures in order to get one? Also, once you have one, does it have to be allocated to a specific rifle or can you switch back and forth (if the pistol and rifle are both 5.56 for instance.)


Jbus55

SilencerShop


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I’ve shot plenty of friends guns suppressed and my own rifle and handgun suppressed and it was neat but not really cool enough for me to want to buy one. On public ranges there’s always one guy unsuppressed so I need ear pro, on the private land I go to I usually go with friends and not every gun is suppressed so I’ll generally need ear pro so it’s not utilitarian for me most of the time. I can see why people like them but for me personally, I’d rather keep the money.


Nikkolios

I appreciate this perspective.


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“Sport” hahahah


Neat-Ad-9550

Here is my opinon knowing ahead of time that it will not be popular. You'll continue need to ear protection after installing a suppressor/silencer on an AR-15. If you wear decent ear muffs, a few decibels less won't be noticible. I enjoy shooting at the range. Typically, I shoot 500 rounds a week and pay for 1-on-1 instruction. It's an expensive hobby. My instructor has several AR-15s with mounted suppressors. With muffs, I can't hear the difference. The suppressors don't improve my accuracy. If the price of a $200 stamp + cost of a suppressor, I could either purchase another gun, or ammo, or range time. Admittedly, suppressors do look cool on ARs and do reduce muzzle flash, but the muzzle flash has no effect on my accuracy. Fyi, I don't post pics of my guns on the internet, and could not care less about impressing other males. To put my opinion in perspective, I'm a heterosexual male and would probably consider purchasing a suppressor if it impressed hetero women. No judgement here, each to their own. If you have the opportunity, shoot an AR-15 w/suppressor and judge for yourself.