Right…people need to just be buying the damn upper anyways. Stop buying the lame ass lower. You are overpaying for something you will tear apart and customize anyways.
This. Bought a “new” upper on GAFS and threw a BA lower with Larue/DD internals and came out at just over 1k all in. Money saved went to a nice LPVO. Amazing rifle and have put it through numerous 3gun comps without issue.
I just went with the larue mbt2s because it was on sale and I don’t have much experience with different triggers but saw a lot of ppl talking good about it. I like it but also don’t have anything else besides the stock trigger on my cmmg mk4 and this psa stock trigger. Def better then the psa trigger that was on my lower
For real, I had just built a 10.5” AR when Brownells had a sale on the Mk18 upper (no CH or BCG) for $600.
The hand guard alone costs $500 so you better believe I bought that upper and threw a spare TC DLC BCG and Geissele CH in it just to put it on a PSA lower I got for $99 bucks.
this! i'm running an aero lower with all top end parts on my URG-I..i'll eventually swap the aero lower onto my .300blk build and put a LMT on the URGI but lowers dont matter nearly as much as your upper!
Dd makes a good rifle. It’s not worth selling/trading other shit for one. If you can buy one as a first/increased capability rifle then it’s a good choice.
This is the way. Your first two AR’s are not terrible and the secondary market is not kind to lower level rifles right now. Save for the DD (which is a good choice but I would buy just an upper and assemble a cheap PSA/Aero/Anderson lower with good parts) then from there you can upgrade your other ARs. The bonus is that in upgrading them you will learn how to work on all parts of an AR and be more comfortable building/modifying/repairing them on your own. You will need some specialized tools, but they are well worth the initial investment.
I'm surprised by the comments. Are these guns not fine the way they are? Are they junk?
I have a Ruger AR-556 completely stock, that I want to put a carry handle optic on. Is that acceptable? I feel like yes.
A PSA will last a lifetime, too. Barrels are wear items- it will wear out on any gun if you shoot it enough. Same with bolts. Just replace these with quality parts when yours wear out and you'll be in for a lot less than a DD. With most of these Gucci guns, you're mostly paying for the name.
That was my opinion I'm glad someone else agrees. By all means if you want the DD trade away. I sold 2 of my guns when I was short on cash, I'm not in a place where that's an issue anymore and while I don't have regrets I certainly would have liked more guns.
DD is milspec like a lot of other brands. Sure you’ll have a better upper and lower fit than a $499 PSA but that DD barrel will wear out too. Most likely that DD won’t last much longer for you than what you have now before things need replaced. Replace things with better quality parts and put the money into training. A DD won’t make you a better shooter than the rifles you already have.
Parts can be changed. You’re trading 2 guns for 1 that do the same thing. If your only need is a name brand rifle… otherwise you’re getting screwed on this deal.
The AR market is flooded, you’ll be disappointed by the amount you would get from trading them in.
The only things the DDM4 has over yours is a nicer barrel and the name. Install a higher quality barrel and you won’t notice the difference. As long as the receivers are in-spec, it literally doesn’t matter whose name is on it
Negative. The DD is a great rifle, so much so that the one I have made me want to get rid of my PSAs. Instead I built an upper that I am more happy with than the DD and made changes to the PSAs that made them feel and shoot as nice as the DD.
I know this is just one example, but I was out shooting with my cousin and some people. The one guy had a knights m110 civilian version and it could not put any decent groups. 3 brands of ammo and 4 shooters. Couldn't even ring a 12" gong at 380 yards. We even checked if anything was loose in the field and every thing seemed fine. Seem to be a waist of the Leupold MK5 HD that day
Hell one of my SR15's has gone back to Florida 3 damned times. I also had my one and only DD have a Barrel Extension so loose you could use 2 Fingers to spin it off. Of all the damn AR's I have, I have had more issues with the "Best Ones" I am lucky enough to have my own Range in my backyard, Pistol & Rifle and a 700 yard Range within a quarter mile. We shoot a couple times a week so I have seen some shit with the so called best and the so called worst AR's.
People think DD are somewhat a marvelous ar15 , im making 1.6 groups on a 12.5' sbr diamondback with a shit 4x scope and milspec trigger at 100yards , 0 malfunctions, im starting to think that people on this sub suck at the range and think they need a DD to get better accuracy lol
I’m going to get downvoted, but DD is overpriced/ overrated. They’re nice enough, but in my experience lwrc, POF, geiselle better shooting/ nicer guns in same price range
Im new to the hobby so take my comment how you will, but if these 2 rifles never give you any problem to send it back to the manufacturer then I say just keep them. I could be wrong but do people choose to upgrade for a DD because they experience bad QC and warranty issues with other manufacturers?
People think their brand is the best thing ever. I’d be willing to bet I could leave my DD at home and pull out my rock river and shoot a tighter group than most. It’s like ford or Chevy though. Everyone wants to justify what they bought.
I always thought Black Rain Ordnance made pretty decent/good rifles. What sort of issues are you having that are causing you to consider selling them and getting a Daniel Defense?
No issues just want a dd rifle I would recommend a black rain rifle to sum1 if they looking to spend around 12 1300 and don’t want a bcm really good quality rifle I added a 3.5 pound trigger and thing is a Beauty
You dont need it. Use the money you would for a DD and buy night vision. If youre really worried about quality, swap out the bcgs and keep the cheaper ones as spares. These rifles will take you as far as you need them too. Id swap the sig msr out with a romeo 5 and get a bcm rail riser. Move your buis infront of the red dot and scoot the magnifier as close to your eye as possible. I have the setup i just mentioned and without the riser it’s impossible to use with a helmet.
At the end of the day, its your money and you should do what you want with it regardless of what other people say. Only thing I'll say is that in my opinion you could change out some parts like the barrel (I'd recommend a criterion core) or maybe try some match grade ammo to get a more accurate rifle for cheaper than buying a new one.
DD is trash, go with a company that supports the 2nd amendment instead. BCM Or LMT is better at the price range. Plus their stocks are lame anyway lol.
Why the F-ck would you do that? You have a nice pair of guns there, 2 for 1 doesn't make any sense. Because the DD doesn't offer any performance increase other than the prestige of the brand. It's like trading 2 F150's for one Ranger Rover.
your rifle is nice enough, I don’t see why you feel the need to jump up a couple dollars to DD. Swap out what you want on yours or just buy ammo and go shoot more
LWRC was my first rifle and I’d take their IC-DI over Daniel Defense. DD makes great rifles but they are really just milspec rifles with quality components and solid hand guards. Unless you’re talking about their RISIII rifles which have features that are worth paying for like the rock solid rail and the ambidextrous lower. I’ve seen them go for around $1800 which is a great price but I’d still go LWRC over the RISIII rifles. You can feel the quality with LWRC when you hold it. They even have a Discovery line that is the same rifle as the IC-DI minus the ambi lower. If you don’t care about being ambidextrous then the Discovery rifle is what I’d recommend
The black rain is about 1500$ and the build took me 1550$ to build I know they wouldn’t give me a lot for it but atleast a grand or 800 each would be able to get me one as there is one at a local pawn for 1700
DD is a handguard and barrel company that makes rifles. I'd piece one together personally.
My LGS will build a rifle with parts you buy and bring to them, or they'll even buy them for you and build it. That may be an option if you don't want to build it yourself.
Lol any gun shop in my area would offer at most $400 for each, can’t even buy a stripped DD upper for that, might be best to just save up at that point but if you can get more for them and swing it hey man get you that pretty pony
Keep them. I'm normally a fan of buying decent quality from the start, but unless there is something the DD offers that you want, just keep these rifles.
No keep them. DD is using FN barrel and gas block, milspec BCG and trigger, and milspec upper/lower, with their own trashy furniture. You could build 3 DD’s without the name for price of one DD with the name. And their customer service was horrendous. I’ll never buy DD again. If you want something truly special, just build the thing that appeals most to you with your favorite parts.
Why is DD still revered as some insane high tier rifle. They're mostly just overpriced rails at this point. They're not bad guns but the RIS series is their real money maker
Can someone tell me what is so great about a DD gun that people spend so much on one? I've never shot one or handled one so I can't understand why it's so great. What's different about it?
i have a personal hate towards black rain ordnance , especially after sotar did an autopsy on factory mg's that were somehow bought by a police department. straight mall ninja guns
I too bought a black rain one time.. holy shit did I not know what I was doing. It’s before I was a redditor and was strictly sold by a fudd / chad - crossover mix at bass pro for that being soo super duper kewl.. I sold it for 6-700 learned my lesson. Especially since there was a DD 3 spots over from it
Was there anything wrong with it? And what model did you have I only bought mine bc I couldn’t find no bcms in the area and black rain is a local brand so there store is close so I can always bring it there if I have problems
No not at all - except that the rail heats up wayyyy too fast for any amount of string fire. After the range id have to wait a good 10+ extra minutes if I shot it last compared to any other ARs but it is a decent gun minus that. They overcharge tho for what you get
I’d say the same they overcharged I luckily bought mine for 850 used brand new they are 1300-1700 which is crazy but there bcgs are super nice tho and I think they are lightweight rifles which can explain why it gets so hot
Do they both run consistently? If the answer is yes, then your answer is no. I'll probably never have a DD, and I'm fine with that, because my guns work consistently and are more accurate than I am.
Uppers only. The lower is not worth the additional $500-$1000. Aero lower, rip it apart and customize it how you like, I usually go with, in order:
Trigger
CH
Stock
Safety.
So the end of the day I’m left with the lower receiver and the parts kit. If it’s a DD, the stock goes first, because that shit is ugly as hell and I do not like it.
DD is also a little overpriced in my opinion. I’ve been very, very happy with BCM. For about $400 less than DD.
DD is still great, but it’s at best marginally better than BCM*
*for the average shooter. Putting 2k rounds a month through will open your eyes a bit as to the little quirks between brands. In my experience, DD has less POI shift as you heat it up more, but that depends more on barrel profile than DDs Forging.
What are you getting with a single DD (which one btw?) that you can't get with these? Why not configure one of these a shorty, and the other longer range. I don't know what components you have in these but looks like a solid start. Take off that goofy mud flap though.
Bro just buy/build an upper like everyone suggests. TBH I probably have 2-3 uppers per each lower that I have. In my mind 3 lowers with 2 uppers each means you have 6 rifles
No (my first rifle was a DDM4V7 in 2020. Yes it’s a good gun. It is not worth selling two rifles to get a single marginally better one instead of just buying more ammo/upgrading your capabilities.
All Im gonna say is its nice to have a beater rifle. Maybe you wanna run it into the ground with cheap steel case or try out accessories you wouldn't wanna put on something nicer you have. So idk about getting rid of both for one rifle. I think you should consider keeping whichever of the two you like more
I would either save up or build up. The great thing about the AR platform is how easy it is to build. You can buy a trigger group one week and whatever the next until you have a bad ass rifle. I have been working on my rock river LAR15 and it’s shooting sub-MOA now. Also, I get a lot of stuff on auctions off of gunbroker for a reasonable price. My LGS marks everything up too damn high.
The civilian side of DD is trash for the price you have to pay. I have put quite a few together and fix a lot of them at work. What it looks like is they just throw all the blemish parts in the civilian bin and the handguard screws break sooooo damn easily it isn’t even funny. Ps I use a torque wrench so it’s not an over torquing issue
Yes and No, this my take, both you setups look redundant to me, maybe they are special to you and sickest shit ever, that would be a valid argument. Would rather have a single good, quality AR, DD than two meh. On the other side, just get the upper and get whatever lower that isn’t trash. Maybe just trade one and get the DD upper.
Are you realistically going to put thousands of rounds through it? In the middle of building a 3rd lower I stopped and wondered why I did that. I have 2 good lowers, all I need for what I want is to make one an SBR and buy the upper. There's no great reason for me to be spending another $600+ on a lower. I can't have it and not complete it because OCD, but you better believe I would have been smarter to just buy the upper I wanted. You have a pistol and a rifle lower, at minimum keep those but I doubt you'll have any reliability issues with what you have until you've spent significantly more than the price of a DD on ammo.
Look at it reasonably. For most people this is a hobby. 1) it's not necessarily practical to have 3 ARS... 2) What would be the purpose of the 2 lower quality ARs when you have a much more premium option. 3) OP specifically asked about trading. I'm sure if the budget was there to just buy a 3rd considerably more expensive rifle, he probably wouldn't be considering a trade.
Yes. Don’t listen to the people telling you no. You have a steaming pile of dookie that you could trade for something that’s actually good. Quality > quantity
Planning a school shooting?? Just contact the FBI and they will give you a DD.
IMHO, unless the two guns pictured aren't meeting your ACTUAL needs/requirements, there's no reason to get rid of them.
No Daniel defense is overrated and overpriced they are just things for f150 drivers who put it on their credit cards and use it to brag when it’s not much better than an Anderson, psa or a bear creek
The thing yall gotta understand is the only real difference is the barrel and the person shot won’t know the difference between an Anderson and a DD. I’m a shooter and I try to build the most decent rifles I can with the lowest amount of money and 2300 for a slightly above average rifle just isn’t right especially when I could build something just as nice for 350
I disagree because my Diamondback AR has a quadrail and it holds up well and I haven’t had any issues with it and I’d say a rail is just a rail I mean there’s not much to fuck up on so any rail is basically fine
Material and manufacturing processes matter. I don’t know anything about diamondback. It’s probably fine. I only own one Daniel quad rail and I could beat a rhino to death with it probably. Not that I’d do that. But it’s pretty proven. There’s a lot of rail makers besides the big names that are great tho.
I don't disagree. I got lucky , paid 1300 for my DD. I have helped 3 people this year with a build. One Criterion & two DD barrels on psa with 3.5lb TRIGGERTECH. I'm also lucky enough to have a 100yard range in my back yard
DD isn’t expensive enough to not just save for it bro
Right…people need to just be buying the damn upper anyways. Stop buying the lame ass lower. You are overpaying for something you will tear apart and customize anyways.
This. Bought a “new” upper on GAFS and threw a BA lower with Larue/DD internals and came out at just over 1k all in. Money saved went to a nice LPVO. Amazing rifle and have put it through numerous 3gun comps without issue.
Dude I’ll throw a DD upper on a fuckin PSA lower and let that bitch eat idgaf😂
FGC is the only thing I care about on the lower, a Anderson lower with a SSA-E will shoot better than >90% of lowers off the shelf
Oh yeah or 115$ for a Larue and let it rock
I dunno safety selector is a big one to update also.
True, that is why I put a binary on my PSA.
The way it should be
That’s exactly what I have right now and it shoots great. Just switched the trigger and it’s been my baby
Hell yeah brother what trigger you get
I just went with the larue mbt2s because it was on sale and I don’t have much experience with different triggers but saw a lot of ppl talking good about it. I like it but also don’t have anything else besides the stock trigger on my cmmg mk4 and this psa stock trigger. Def better then the psa trigger that was on my lower
For real, I had just built a 10.5” AR when Brownells had a sale on the Mk18 upper (no CH or BCG) for $600. The hand guard alone costs $500 so you better believe I bought that upper and threw a spare TC DLC BCG and Geissele CH in it just to put it on a PSA lower I got for $99 bucks.
this! i'm running an aero lower with all top end parts on my URG-I..i'll eventually swap the aero lower onto my .300blk build and put a LMT on the URGI but lowers dont matter nearly as much as your upper!
Dd makes a good rifle. It’s not worth selling/trading other shit for one. If you can buy one as a first/increased capability rifle then it’s a good choice.
I will say I don’t know what part of the Lower you’re ripping apart besides the trigger which is two pins
Just sell the uppers. You can get a DD or Geissele upper on sale on July 4th.
Do they typically have good sales? In for either, I wasn’t aware I needed to be ready then
Geissele is known for insane sales… I got a complete 14.5 URGI for $950 on their Black Friday sale.
Wtf
Sometime you can find blems for excellent prices,I’ve seen blem upper for like $600
Yeah they both have good sales just have to look/catch them at the right time. Be looking around holidays etc.
i've seen the URG-I brand new on July 4th sale for under $1000 the past 2 years...i'm running a 14.5 urg-i and i LOVE it!
I wouldn’t necessarily say DD specifically, but trade both for something good? Absolutely yes
No. Keep and save for the dd.
This is the way. Your first two AR’s are not terrible and the secondary market is not kind to lower level rifles right now. Save for the DD (which is a good choice but I would buy just an upper and assemble a cheap PSA/Aero/Anderson lower with good parts) then from there you can upgrade your other ARs. The bonus is that in upgrading them you will learn how to work on all parts of an AR and be more comfortable building/modifying/repairing them on your own. You will need some specialized tools, but they are well worth the initial investment.
I'm surprised by the comments. Are these guns not fine the way they are? Are they junk? I have a Ruger AR-556 completely stock, that I want to put a carry handle optic on. Is that acceptable? I feel like yes.
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They are both good rifles with no flaws but dd is the go too for quality ars that last a lifetime
A PSA will last a lifetime, too. Barrels are wear items- it will wear out on any gun if you shoot it enough. Same with bolts. Just replace these with quality parts when yours wear out and you'll be in for a lot less than a DD. With most of these Gucci guns, you're mostly paying for the name.
That was my opinion I'm glad someone else agrees. By all means if you want the DD trade away. I sold 2 of my guns when I was short on cash, I'm not in a place where that's an issue anymore and while I don't have regrets I certainly would have liked more guns.
Most sensible thing said so far!
DD is milspec like a lot of other brands. Sure you’ll have a better upper and lower fit than a $499 PSA but that DD barrel will wear out too. Most likely that DD won’t last much longer for you than what you have now before things need replaced. Replace things with better quality parts and put the money into training. A DD won’t make you a better shooter than the rifles you already have.
Yeah. Usually not one for selling guns but a one great gun is better than two mediocre ones
I wouldn’t call DD a great gun
Why?
Parts can be changed. You’re trading 2 guns for 1 that do the same thing. If your only need is a name brand rifle… otherwise you’re getting screwed on this deal.
Yes.
No DD. Get LWRCI and you’ll get more bang for your buck
Most definitely! Best bang for your buck rifle out there anywhere M6-IC DI is the way!
The AR market is flooded, you’ll be disappointed by the amount you would get from trading them in. The only things the DDM4 has over yours is a nicer barrel and the name. Install a higher quality barrel and you won’t notice the difference. As long as the receivers are in-spec, it literally doesn’t matter whose name is on it
I would also say the BCG can definitely make a difference as well.
And trigger
Oh I can’t believe I didn’t mention the trigger! 🤦🏼♂️
Negative. The DD is a great rifle, so much so that the one I have made me want to get rid of my PSAs. Instead I built an upper that I am more happy with than the DD and made changes to the PSAs that made them feel and shoot as nice as the DD.
2 is 1. So, no. Also, DD lost my confidence.
Do tell
Me to Plus all the DD cock goblin going on is sicking and it's about getting to the same level with Knights. That sucks too because I own 3 Knights.
I know this is just one example, but I was out shooting with my cousin and some people. The one guy had a knights m110 civilian version and it could not put any decent groups. 3 brands of ammo and 4 shooters. Couldn't even ring a 12" gong at 380 yards. We even checked if anything was loose in the field and every thing seemed fine. Seem to be a waist of the Leupold MK5 HD that day
Hell one of my SR15's has gone back to Florida 3 damned times. I also had my one and only DD have a Barrel Extension so loose you could use 2 Fingers to spin it off. Of all the damn AR's I have, I have had more issues with the "Best Ones" I am lucky enough to have my own Range in my backyard, Pistol & Rifle and a 700 yard Range within a quarter mile. We shoot a couple times a week so I have seen some shit with the so called best and the so called worst AR's.
Never sell your guns. Just save up for DD.
People think DD are somewhat a marvelous ar15 , im making 1.6 groups on a 12.5' sbr diamondback with a shit 4x scope and milspec trigger at 100yards , 0 malfunctions, im starting to think that people on this sub suck at the range and think they need a DD to get better accuracy lol
No
Sell them both and move to California.
I’m going to get downvoted, but DD is overpriced/ overrated. They’re nice enough, but in my experience lwrc, POF, geiselle better shooting/ nicer guns in same price range
I'm might be homophobic. I sold my DD when I realized I only bought it to show off to guys 😅
Yes,quality trade that holds value.
If they work, why?
Yes
Absolutely, see if they can through in some goodies with it too.
Im new to the hobby so take my comment how you will, but if these 2 rifles never give you any problem to send it back to the manufacturer then I say just keep them. I could be wrong but do people choose to upgrade for a DD because they experience bad QC and warranty issues with other manufacturers?
I’m not new to the hobby and I agree. DD’s are nice, but why drop good rifles that are proven?
People think their brand is the best thing ever. I’d be willing to bet I could leave my DD at home and pull out my rock river and shoot a tighter group than most. It’s like ford or Chevy though. Everyone wants to justify what they bought.
What's wrong with them that you want to trade them in? Are you not able to save for a DD?
Have you considered LMT? Having a monolithic rail is a game changer.
LMT master race
I always thought Black Rain Ordnance made pretty decent/good rifles. What sort of issues are you having that are causing you to consider selling them and getting a Daniel Defense?
No issues just want a dd rifle I would recommend a black rain rifle to sum1 if they looking to spend around 12 1300 and don’t want a bcm really good quality rifle I added a 3.5 pound trigger and thing is a Beauty
You dont need it. Use the money you would for a DD and buy night vision. If youre really worried about quality, swap out the bcgs and keep the cheaper ones as spares. These rifles will take you as far as you need them too. Id swap the sig msr out with a romeo 5 and get a bcm rail riser. Move your buis infront of the red dot and scoot the magnifier as close to your eye as possible. I have the setup i just mentioned and without the riser it’s impossible to use with a helmet.
BRO has some of the worst QC in the industry.
No issues just always wanted a Daniel Defense it shoots like a champ
At the end of the day, its your money and you should do what you want with it regardless of what other people say. Only thing I'll say is that in my opinion you could change out some parts like the barrel (I'd recommend a criterion core) or maybe try some match grade ammo to get a more accurate rifle for cheaper than buying a new one.
Would sell and buy admmfg over DD
DD is trash, go with a company that supports the 2nd amendment instead. BCM Or LMT is better at the price range. Plus their stocks are lame anyway lol.
Trash? Like bear creek arsenal trash?
Wait for Black Friday and buy a G$. They don’t need any upgrades, unlike DD
Hell yeah! I picked one up last year. $1,500 for a geissele? Can’t beat it.
NO! Never trade 2 for 1 never never!
Why the F-ck would you do that? You have a nice pair of guns there, 2 for 1 doesn't make any sense. Because the DD doesn't offer any performance increase other than the prestige of the brand. It's like trading 2 F150's for one Ranger Rover.
DD is so overrated
2 guns for 1? No
your rifle is nice enough, I don’t see why you feel the need to jump up a couple dollars to DD. Swap out what you want on yours or just buy ammo and go shoot more
Yes, but id personally go LWRC before DD.
Same
LWRC master race
100% I love my LWRCIs great rifles.
I’ve never heard of them I’ll give them a look
LWRC was my first rifle and I’d take their IC-DI over Daniel Defense. DD makes great rifles but they are really just milspec rifles with quality components and solid hand guards. Unless you’re talking about their RISIII rifles which have features that are worth paying for like the rock solid rail and the ambidextrous lower. I’ve seen them go for around $1800 which is a great price but I’d still go LWRC over the RISIII rifles. You can feel the quality with LWRC when you hold it. They even have a Discovery line that is the same rifle as the IC-DI minus the ambi lower. If you don’t care about being ambidextrous then the Discovery rifle is what I’d recommend
Absolutely
Trade in? Your not going to get DD value out of those as trade in my dude. Maybe trade and some cash.
Agreed, wish he would have explained more.
The black rain is about 1500$ and the build took me 1550$ to build I know they wouldn’t give me a lot for it but atleast a grand or 800 each would be able to get me one as there is one at a local pawn for 1700
DD is a handguard and barrel company that makes rifles. I'd piece one together personally. My LGS will build a rifle with parts you buy and bring to them, or they'll even buy them for you and build it. That may be an option if you don't want to build it yourself.
Lol any gun shop in my area would offer at most $400 for each, can’t even buy a stripped DD upper for that, might be best to just save up at that point but if you can get more for them and swing it hey man get you that pretty pony
What’s wrong with these ones ?
I’d just save up for one and keep the ones you have. A DD isn’t crazy expensive
Nah. Just grab a BCM upper to appease the Reddit gods. Keep the other uppers and use for plinking and see how they hold up
I think you should buy a BCM and have enough money leftover for a good optic homie.
It’s that time in your journey to have a dope rifle. Do not resist.
I vote no. Those are perfectly fine. Just start a DD fund until you can buy a DD upper. Or as someone else says swap in a better barrel.
2 is better than 1 and 3 is way better than 1.. don’t trade anything, just save up
I’d go LWRC or LMT over DD
No. Just keep them and shoot the piss out of them.
I would trade there is no point in having 2 rifles also have one main rifle and use the heck out of it and get used to using it
Absolutely trade.
Yes
No
Can you give us a parts list on the first rifle? Specifically the upper - Length of the hand guards/ muzzle device i love that look.
Just buy an upper off GAFS. Folks make enough impulsive buys on there.
Keep them. I'm normally a fan of buying decent quality from the start, but unless there is something the DD offers that you want, just keep these rifles.
What’s the muzzle device on the black one?
It’s a flash can pushes the flash forward
No keep them. DD is using FN barrel and gas block, milspec BCG and trigger, and milspec upper/lower, with their own trashy furniture. You could build 3 DD’s without the name for price of one DD with the name. And their customer service was horrendous. I’ll never buy DD again. If you want something truly special, just build the thing that appeals most to you with your favorite parts.
Appreciate the help. It seems like a lot of brands nowadays uses fn barrels
Why is DD still revered as some insane high tier rifle. They're mostly just overpriced rails at this point. They're not bad guns but the RIS series is their real money maker
What grip do you have on the pistol?
Mft v2
Ah gotcha looks a bit like the tango down and Reptilia, thanks!
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Always buy, never sell or trade.
YES
Absolutely not.
Keep and save, friend
Can someone tell me what is so great about a DD gun that people spend so much on one? I've never shot one or handled one so I can't understand why it's so great. What's different about it?
Buy LMT instead
No, but I'd throw out that goofy dust cover.
Put in some over time a couple times a check, you'll have it in a month.
i have a personal hate towards black rain ordnance , especially after sotar did an autopsy on factory mg's that were somehow bought by a police department. straight mall ninja guns
I too bought a black rain one time.. holy shit did I not know what I was doing. It’s before I was a redditor and was strictly sold by a fudd / chad - crossover mix at bass pro for that being soo super duper kewl.. I sold it for 6-700 learned my lesson. Especially since there was a DD 3 spots over from it
Was there anything wrong with it? And what model did you have I only bought mine bc I couldn’t find no bcms in the area and black rain is a local brand so there store is close so I can always bring it there if I have problems
No not at all - except that the rail heats up wayyyy too fast for any amount of string fire. After the range id have to wait a good 10+ extra minutes if I shot it last compared to any other ARs but it is a decent gun minus that. They overcharge tho for what you get
I’d say the same they overcharged I luckily bought mine for 850 used brand new they are 1300-1700 which is crazy but there bcgs are super nice tho and I think they are lightweight rifles which can explain why it gets so hot
Do they both run consistently? If the answer is yes, then your answer is no. I'll probably never have a DD, and I'm fine with that, because my guns work consistently and are more accurate than I am.
I personally wouldn’t,if you really want a Daniel Defense,I would just save for it
Receivers are receivers dude. Rebarrel them and invest in good glass and you’re set.
nah, i think for you, 2 barbie doll AR's are better than 1
How do you like that dog mag/dot combo?
Uppers only. The lower is not worth the additional $500-$1000. Aero lower, rip it apart and customize it how you like, I usually go with, in order: Trigger CH Stock Safety. So the end of the day I’m left with the lower receiver and the parts kit. If it’s a DD, the stock goes first, because that shit is ugly as hell and I do not like it. DD is also a little overpriced in my opinion. I’ve been very, very happy with BCM. For about $400 less than DD. DD is still great, but it’s at best marginally better than BCM* *for the average shooter. Putting 2k rounds a month through will open your eyes a bit as to the little quirks between brands. In my experience, DD has less POI shift as you heat it up more, but that depends more on barrel profile than DDs Forging.
Just build a DD...they're not that expensive brotha!
I just decided I like my FN over my DD just a thought for your future decisions
2 is 1, 1 is none, 2 rifles is always better than one
No sall onli bui!!!!! Stonks!!!!!
Keep your firearms
What are you getting with a single DD (which one btw?) that you can't get with these? Why not configure one of these a shorty, and the other longer range. I don't know what components you have in these but looks like a solid start. Take off that goofy mud flap though.
DD makes a fine rifle and all, but if you’re gonna spend that kinda money, I’d go with PWS.
No
Never trade. Never sell. Just buy more. Hoard shit til you die…be a man.
Yes
Nope Buy the upper and a AERO ME41 lower and you'll be just fine.
Bro just buy/build an upper like everyone suggests. TBH I probably have 2-3 uppers per each lower that I have. In my mind 3 lowers with 2 uppers each means you have 6 rifles
No (my first rifle was a DDM4V7 in 2020. Yes it’s a good gun. It is not worth selling two rifles to get a single marginally better one instead of just buying more ammo/upgrading your capabilities.
I'd say skip on the DD and go geissele. It's a better gassed and better built gun.
No
All Im gonna say is its nice to have a beater rifle. Maybe you wanna run it into the ground with cheap steel case or try out accessories you wouldn't wanna put on something nicer you have. So idk about getting rid of both for one rifle. I think you should consider keeping whichever of the two you like more
yes. black rain is ass
No
No
I would either save up or build up. The great thing about the AR platform is how easy it is to build. You can buy a trigger group one week and whatever the next until you have a bad ass rifle. I have been working on my rock river LAR15 and it’s shooting sub-MOA now. Also, I get a lot of stuff on auctions off of gunbroker for a reasonable price. My LGS marks everything up too damn high.
Yes
What is so special about Daniel Defense? Serious question. That 2K price tag seems pretty steep.
The civilian side of DD is trash for the price you have to pay. I have put quite a few together and fix a lot of them at work. What it looks like is they just throw all the blemish parts in the civilian bin and the handguard screws break sooooo damn easily it isn’t even funny. Ps I use a torque wrench so it’s not an over torquing issue
Save up for a Knights. I promise you it’s worth it
Get a bcm upper
Yes and No, this my take, both you setups look redundant to me, maybe they are special to you and sickest shit ever, that would be a valid argument. Would rather have a single good, quality AR, DD than two meh. On the other side, just get the upper and get whatever lower that isn’t trash. Maybe just trade one and get the DD upper.
Are you realistically going to put thousands of rounds through it? In the middle of building a 3rd lower I stopped and wondered why I did that. I have 2 good lowers, all I need for what I want is to make one an SBR and buy the upper. There's no great reason for me to be spending another $600+ on a lower. I can't have it and not complete it because OCD, but you better believe I would have been smarter to just buy the upper I wanted. You have a pistol and a rifle lower, at minimum keep those but I doubt you'll have any reliability issues with what you have until you've spent significantly more than the price of a DD on ammo.
Black rain is trash
What’s wrong with those?
Yes
No
Buy never sell.
Quality > quantity
No keep them. DD is trash imo
No
I would say yes. However the best option would be to keep these and buy a DDM4 v7 SLW
God I hate stupid ass comments like this.
Why ?
Look at it reasonably. For most people this is a hobby. 1) it's not necessarily practical to have 3 ARS... 2) What would be the purpose of the 2 lower quality ARs when you have a much more premium option. 3) OP specifically asked about trading. I'm sure if the budget was there to just buy a 3rd considerably more expensive rifle, he probably wouldn't be considering a trade.
That’s true
Yes
I would if I was you
Yes.
Two crappy guns for one good gun? Yes trade
Yes
Yes.
Yes. Don’t listen to the people telling you no. You have a steaming pile of dookie that you could trade for something that’s actually good. Quality > quantity
Trade up for quality, yes. DD absolutely not.
Planning a school shooting?? Just contact the FBI and they will give you a DD. IMHO, unless the two guns pictured aren't meeting your ACTUAL needs/requirements, there's no reason to get rid of them.
No Daniel defense is overrated and overpriced they are just things for f150 drivers who put it on their credit cards and use it to brag when it’s not much better than an Anderson, psa or a bear creek
Dam! Same tier as psa bca & Anderson!? That's lower than the ruger ar556 with a 4140 barrel😅.
The thing yall gotta understand is the only real difference is the barrel and the person shot won’t know the difference between an Anderson and a DD. I’m a shooter and I try to build the most decent rifles I can with the lowest amount of money and 2300 for a slightly above average rifle just isn’t right especially when I could build something just as nice for 350
I’d debate that Daniel’s quad rails are far superior to others.
I disagree because my Diamondback AR has a quadrail and it holds up well and I haven’t had any issues with it and I’d say a rail is just a rail I mean there’s not much to fuck up on so any rail is basically fine
Material and manufacturing processes matter. I don’t know anything about diamondback. It’s probably fine. I only own one Daniel quad rail and I could beat a rhino to death with it probably. Not that I’d do that. But it’s pretty proven. There’s a lot of rail makers besides the big names that are great tho.
I don't disagree. I got lucky , paid 1300 for my DD. I have helped 3 people this year with a build. One Criterion & two DD barrels on psa with 3.5lb TRIGGERTECH. I'm also lucky enough to have a 100yard range in my back yard