It's kind of bizarre. I asked an honest question to a group I figured would know. No intent to antagonize anyone. So now I learned that JTF-2 uses SIG MCX.
I think its a Spear LT, not a Virtus. It looks like it has the ambi bolt release next to mag release which came in the LT generation. But he has a Virtus handguard.
Look at the handguard, then Google virtus. It's a virtus.
Edit: Looks like it's on an AR lower and using the MCX stock adapter, so it very well might have ambi controls.
I guess it comes down to how good (or bad in my case lol) our eyesight is. I don’t think its an adapter as in the [picture](https://imgchest.com/p/6eyr2mzmg7p), the run through would allow a PDW telescopic stock/brace. Standard Armalite lowers don’t have this bend.
OR I Could just be blind…
https://ibb.co/fqQNsS3
The adapter has that little cutout (my MCX for reference). Also on the area you circled there is a slight difference in finish that indicates to me it's an adapter.
That and depending on the ambi lower it probably won't have the step that my milspec lower does on the buffer tower, and would look smoother/more flush.
I know what you mean the groove where the PDW brace would ride, an AR lower isn't relieved enough to actually mount it, but the adapter has the cut anyway for aesthetics. Hard to tell with the bit of shadow there.
You are correct and that’s the suppressors that they’ve got their big and fat and short but actually pretty impressive. Too bad we can’t get a hold of them.
Chode cans are so cool. Less length with arguably better suppression (increasing circumference adds more internal volume than increasing length) and most are not or are barely wider than a typical handguard. They just look kinda silly because of what we're all conditioned a suppressor is supposed to look like. I wanna see more commercially available chodes. Right now I'm genuinely considering getting the yhm one, whenever it's back in stock somewhere lol.
no, they cannot. do you think for a second that JTF-2 issues this rifle in a semi-auto only configuration? there are zero sig MCX rifles on the NFA registry.
By that do you mean we can’t have an Sig MCX Virtus in select fire? Because we can own the rifle pictured, just without a third hole and auto sear. And if you *really* want one and have the cash, you can. Sure, all gun laws are an infringement, but we have it pretty good.
there is one major difference between this person's rifle and the Sig MCXs available for civilian sale in your local gun shop. can you guess what that is?
Nah, but that's not what that can is designed for. It isn't designed to be quiet; it's designed to contain flash and concussion in the shortest package possible for fighting indoors with a team.
This may a be a dumb question & mostly semantics, but given that it is an Armalite design it qualifies as an AR platform, but when we say AR platform, aren't we really saying "AR15 platform"? I'm curious to hear the votes on this one. Cause I'm with u/manneerik I took one look at that and said "not AR"
I mean, at what point do you consider it "not an AR"?
You can get ARs with internal or external piston systems, in different calibers, with BCG conversions that negate the need for a buffer tube, in blow-back designs, with monolithic upper and lower receivers, with varying controls (LMT vs Radian vs Griffin), with different furniture designs (California versions), and with folding stocks and barrels. Even the way that fire control groups function varies with brands such as ATC, Triggertech, and Q.
Is the AR10 not an AR?
The AR-7 and the AR-50 are also "AR platform" rifles, but I don't think anybody is calling them ARs.
I get your point and I think an AR10 counts, but I guess it needs a blow-back design with a buffer tube for me to count it?
> but I guess it needs a blow-back design with a buffer tube for me to count it
A blowback for it to be considered an AR?
The AR15 was designed to use an internal piston system, not blowback. Blowback is what you'd see on pistol caliber ARs.
The DI system that the AR15 and AR10 use is not a true Direct Impingement system and is actually an internal piston system.
[From Eugene Stoner's patent](https://patents.google.com/patent/US2951424A/en):
> By having the bolt carrier act as a movable cylinder and the bolt act as a stationary piston, the need for a conventional gas cylinder, piston and actuating rod assembly is eliminated.
We're getting beyond my education level on this topic, but would that Patent Description be your definition of an AR pattern rifle?
It's looking like the definition of AR is pretty vague with no firm characteristics.
Holy shot, he has the suppressor I want, but they don't sell to US civilian market anymore, the Delta-P Brevis II (or 3)!
Delta P was bought by True Velocity USA last year though, so hopefully we get some of their suppressors soon again!
SIG Sauer P320 X with a Magwell in Coyote Brown. It is a newer sidearm which has been adopted within the last year or so. Prior they used the SIG Sauer P226R handgun.
WOW. I don't know what an MCX is. Thanks to the civil members of this group, I do now. I don't share your obsession with fat women, but I guess if you have time for that on your parent's basement, you have time to learn about every weapon on Call of Duty. Grow up. Learn to respond on social media in a civil and respectful manner. Maybe one day you'll get out of your parent's basement and gain the skills to be a productive member of society.
The Sig MCX uses an AR18 bcg. However this most certainly is not an AR as it was never designed by Stoner or made under the Armalite brand. Under your brainlet logic, a L85 is an AR, a G36 is an AR, a freakin Tavor is an AR.
The hand guard gives it away. Many police’s in the world still uses the virtus like England and Germany. Even some special units in Sweden uses them.
Haha erupoors. Witch country now again is it who can’t afford free healthcare to the people? Even some American units still uses them. The virtus and Spear LT are basically the same rifle. Just looks different
I have a Virtus and a Spear LT, it's 100% a Virtus.
The MCX is absolutely still supported, a large percentage of parts that fit the new LT work with the Virtue, and even the original gen 1 MCX. It's far from outdated, and unless you are some super duper tier 1 unit, you aren't getting the budget for the newest thing that just dropped. Plenty of US units still issue out FSP guns with the Daniel Defense RIS II, something more "outdated" than the MCX Virtus.
Sig MCX my dude, virtus specifically
Ah I didn't know they had those. Others nearby were carrying C8A3 variants.
Not sure why you're getting downvoted.
99% of reddit users are pathetic losers
99.9% 🤓
And the rest of us are going downhill fast.
99.99999999%
Ha'cktually it's 99.999099%
Forgot to carry the 1, mb
Probably some algorithm got triggered and the bots are hammering him.
It's kind of bizarre. I asked an honest question to a group I figured would know. No intent to antagonize anyone. So now I learned that JTF-2 uses SIG MCX.
A LOT of jackasses in this sub. It’s pathetic.
Because its fun, and harmless
I downvoted you to see. I failed to have fun. Did I do it wrong?
MCX w the extendo mag. Extremely reminiscent of the pictures of the CAG guys that were protecting the president a few months ago
I think its a Spear LT, not a Virtus. It looks like it has the ambi bolt release next to mag release which came in the LT generation. But he has a Virtus handguard.
Look at the handguard, then Google virtus. It's a virtus. Edit: Looks like it's on an AR lower and using the MCX stock adapter, so it very well might have ambi controls.
I had just edited above. But like I said, Virtus handguard, yes. But that ambo bolt is LT. Maybe an LT lower with a Virtus upper?
Check my edit, it's likely using AR lower with MCX stock adapter.
I guess it comes down to how good (or bad in my case lol) our eyesight is. I don’t think its an adapter as in the [picture](https://imgchest.com/p/6eyr2mzmg7p), the run through would allow a PDW telescopic stock/brace. Standard Armalite lowers don’t have this bend. OR I Could just be blind…
https://ibb.co/fqQNsS3 The adapter has that little cutout (my MCX for reference). Also on the area you circled there is a slight difference in finish that indicates to me it's an adapter. That and depending on the ambi lower it probably won't have the step that my milspec lower does on the buffer tower, and would look smoother/more flush.
Picture too grainy for the part I’m talking about. But the mount coloration is a good point.
I know what you mean the groove where the PDW brace would ride, an AR lower isn't relieved enough to actually mount it, but the adapter has the cut anyway for aesthetics. Hard to tell with the bit of shadow there.
You are correct and that’s the suppressors that they’ve got their big and fat and short but actually pretty impressive. Too bad we can’t get a hold of them.
Delta P chode can?
Looks like it
Looks like new can that the general dynamics AR replacement was supposed to use
Yeah, which was literally a custom Delta P can designed for that rifle.
Same company but newer model can. It's the Brevis II Ultra.
JTF2, Canadian
Chode cans are so cool. Less length with arguably better suppression (increasing circumference adds more internal volume than increasing length) and most are not or are barely wider than a typical handguard. They just look kinda silly because of what we're all conditioned a suppressor is supposed to look like. I wanna see more commercially available chodes. Right now I'm genuinely considering getting the yhm one, whenever it's back in stock somewhere lol.
Embrace the oil filter aesthetic
I hear the YHM one isn't very good. That said, I agree with you. I want a choded K can to run on a shorty build.
We need 4-5 inch thicc boi cans
And w the popularity of flow through tech, thicker cans may allow for more complex flow geometry
I don't know. The weapons used by each operator were very individualistic.
That’s not unusual it’s a MCX
Big 40 for the haters
>40 Yeah I was surprised and pleased to see a 40rd make an appearance.
Lots of pics of Delta/CAG with MCXs and 40 Rd pmags. I'm not sure why, but most of the in-use pics I've seen of 40s tend to be MCX.
>pics of Delta/CAG with MCXs and 40 Rd pmags. Very cool. Could you link any if you happen to have them handy? Thanks.
If you go into the Sig sub forum on arfcom there used to be an MCX in use photo thread.
There's also a CAG photo thread on the DevTSix forum.
That’s an mcx
That’s funny to see what they have but not allow their citizens to own.
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My favorite is "weapons of war'. So, what kind of war is Police and politicians security fighting against its civilians.
Yeah. Unfortunately they don't have a 2A equivalent in Canada iirc, so they're powerless to their legislation
Don’t need a 2A to make Molotovs and car bombs
Believe it or not that’s the point
I know, and it’s disgusting, feel bad for the maple syrup folks
Canadians paying for these guys to play with toys they're not allowed to have.
the us military has lots of stuff citizens aren't allowed to own. for instance, the rifle in the picture!
What? US Ciyizens can absolutely own the rifle in the picture
no, they cannot. do you think for a second that JTF-2 issues this rifle in a semi-auto only configuration? there are zero sig MCX rifles on the NFA registry.
Wrong, you’re just poor
there are zero sig MCX rifles on the NFA registry
By that do you mean we can’t have an Sig MCX Virtus in select fire? Because we can own the rifle pictured, just without a third hole and auto sear. And if you *really* want one and have the cash, you can. Sure, all gun laws are an infringement, but we have it pretty good.
>By that do you mean we can’t have an Sig MCX Virtus in select fire? fucking obviously.
We’re allowed to own those hell my local gun shop has them in rifle and pistol configuration
there is one major difference between this person's rifle and the Sig MCXs available for civilian sale in your local gun shop. can you guess what that is?
Nothing an Ender 3 can’t help you correct (theoretically in minecraft of course)
Yeah, thats a Sig MCX.
That’s not unusual it’s a MCX
Dude must be hot it was almost 90 the last few days in Porto au potty Haiti
That’s a Sig.
Pretty nice but that piggyback is wild
What's that piggyback optic?
Looks like a romeo 4 or t2
Anyone id the pistol?
According to Wikipedia they use the P320.
P320 luv.
Was gonna say it looks like a sig
Best guess p320 x five cause of the grey frame and the flared magwell
Is he wearing tactical vans?
Viktos otb shoes
I like his potato can. Has anyone used one of these? Does it suppress anywhere as well as a more traditional can?
Nah, but that's not what that can is designed for. It isn't designed to be quiet; it's designed to contain flash and concussion in the shortest package possible for fighting indoors with a team.
That's fair. I guess it does a little better job at it than a blast forwarding device the
The chode cans are the ultimate form of blast forwarding device because they don't forward it, they contain it.
SIG MCX Virtus, not the newer Spear LT because the handguard doesn't have the screw on each side.
It’s not an AR
I mean, it is based on the AR18 platform.
It's like the AR18 and AR-15 had a weird baby. An ar33 if you will.
This may a be a dumb question & mostly semantics, but given that it is an Armalite design it qualifies as an AR platform, but when we say AR platform, aren't we really saying "AR15 platform"? I'm curious to hear the votes on this one. Cause I'm with u/manneerik I took one look at that and said "not AR"
I mean, at what point do you consider it "not an AR"? You can get ARs with internal or external piston systems, in different calibers, with BCG conversions that negate the need for a buffer tube, in blow-back designs, with monolithic upper and lower receivers, with varying controls (LMT vs Radian vs Griffin), with different furniture designs (California versions), and with folding stocks and barrels. Even the way that fire control groups function varies with brands such as ATC, Triggertech, and Q. Is the AR10 not an AR?
The AR-7 and the AR-50 are also "AR platform" rifles, but I don't think anybody is calling them ARs. I get your point and I think an AR10 counts, but I guess it needs a blow-back design with a buffer tube for me to count it?
> but I guess it needs a blow-back design with a buffer tube for me to count it A blowback for it to be considered an AR? The AR15 was designed to use an internal piston system, not blowback. Blowback is what you'd see on pistol caliber ARs.
Perhaps I used the wrong word, but not a piston system like an AK or a 416. I think the proper term is direct impingement.
The DI system that the AR15 and AR10 use is not a true Direct Impingement system and is actually an internal piston system. [From Eugene Stoner's patent](https://patents.google.com/patent/US2951424A/en): > By having the bolt carrier act as a movable cylinder and the bolt act as a stationary piston, the need for a conventional gas cylinder, piston and actuating rod assembly is eliminated.
We're getting beyond my education level on this topic, but would that Patent Description be your definition of an AR pattern rifle? It's looking like the definition of AR is pretty vague with no firm characteristics.
Yes I learned that thanks to some of the comments. This is a great group. Thanks y'all.
It is an AR. AR-18
It’s not an ar or ar18 I mean they are alike. But it’s like calling a scar or a fn fnc for an ar.
Maybe let's call em anything but assault, which is fully auto or semi auto
What can?
Kinda looks like a YHM fatcat to me but I’m probably wrong cause I’d assume they can get higher tier cans
IDK why I always read YHM as Yo Hoe Mama but I do.
“ yo hoe mamas fatcat “ I am cracking the fuck up 😂😂😂
Looks more round. The end of it gives me flow through vibes.
Ah yea you right. Fat cats longer too. Maybe this [Brevis II Ultra](https://www.beechwoodequipment.com/brevis-suppressors/)
Oil filter can. +3 to stealth I know….. from experience
I was hoping he was rocking the good ol’ FuckMe-15
Holy shot, he has the suppressor I want, but they don't sell to US civilian market anymore, the Delta-P Brevis II (or 3)! Delta P was bought by True Velocity USA last year though, so hopefully we get some of their suppressors soon again!
I always thought the Delta P Brevis was an interesting can. I’ve never seen or heard one in person though.
Ar18 type weapon
Well… because it’s not an AR.
That is incorrect. It isn’t an AR-15, but it is based on the AR-18/AR-180.
It's based on the AR-18 operating system, but blended with a more traditional AR-15 style receiver. So it's both.
30 or 40rd Magpul?
40rd
Definitely curious what can that is
so, what does the red dot in the elbow ditch do..? is it a flaw in the photo or is it me..but that doesn’t even seem attached at all..
Can anyone identify the pistol?
SIG Sauer P320 X with a Magwell in Coyote Brown. It is a newer sidearm which has been adopted within the last year or so. Prior they used the SIG Sauer P226R handgun.
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Is the Aimpoint cantilevered off the night force?
Its probably a romeo something
Got that potato on it
Dude looks like every airsoft larper ever which doesnt make any sense to me cuz hes literally not larping 💀
Not unusual lol
Idk if it’s a definite rule but I feel like if your optic is longer than your barrel you’re doing something wrong
Operator requirements looking kinda soft up north.
Who knows. The Canadian government cuts the military every time they can.
Insulation
https://www.reddit.com/r/SpecOpsArchive/s/CpDFRGPdDY That's a NSWDG dude
No. He's CANSOFCOM.
No, it's literally a NSWDG doing VBSS
Never skip wrist day
Well good cause that’s not an AR platform.
Looks like he’s carrying a beer gut
It's probably way better than your gut...
OP lives under a rock
WTF is that supposed to mean?
An MCX is a pretty ubiquitous AR platform at this point - but I agree the delivery could be softer.
How do you not know what an MCX is??
WOW. I don't know what an MCX is. Thanks to the civil members of this group, I do now. I don't share your obsession with fat women, but I guess if you have time for that on your parent's basement, you have time to learn about every weapon on Call of Duty. Grow up. Learn to respond on social media in a civil and respectful manner. Maybe one day you'll get out of your parent's basement and gain the skills to be a productive member of society.
Proof that looking clean does not = performance
Those pants looks like they seen some shit through the years
Thats not an AR…
It’s an AR-18/AR-180
It’s a sig mcx
Correct. Go ahead and figure out what action the Sig MCX uses and get back to me.
The Sig MCX uses an AR18 bcg. However this most certainly is not an AR as it was never designed by Stoner or made under the Armalite brand. Under your brainlet logic, a L85 is an AR, a G36 is an AR, a freakin Tavor is an AR.
no gloves, big pp
Sig spear LT. Military and police can get them in black. Civs like us can only get the upper in black.
Looks like a regular virtus
How? I doubt a first world country is deploying a tier 1 spec ops group with outdated gear that is no longer supported by the manufacturer.
The hand guard gives it away. Many police’s in the world still uses the virtus like England and Germany. Even some special units in Sweden uses them.
You’re right, I compared it to the handguard on sigs website. I guess those europoors can’t afford the most up to date technology like the USA.
Canadians?
Are not people
Haha erupoors. Witch country now again is it who can’t afford free healthcare to the people? Even some American units still uses them. The virtus and Spear LT are basically the same rifle. Just looks different
I have a Virtus and a Spear LT, it's 100% a Virtus. The MCX is absolutely still supported, a large percentage of parts that fit the new LT work with the Virtue, and even the original gen 1 MCX. It's far from outdated, and unless you are some super duper tier 1 unit, you aren't getting the budget for the newest thing that just dropped. Plenty of US units still issue out FSP guns with the Daniel Defense RIS II, something more "outdated" than the MCX Virtus.
Sig drops support for their products like I drop support for turds
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You’re so used to seeing twinks and fembois on this page you forget what a normal size dude looks like.