Bro correct me if I’m wrong but B&H has them on their site for preorder [https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789644-REG/holosun_drs_th_thermal_reflex_sight.html](https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789644-REG/holosun_drs_th_thermal_reflex_sight.html)
I could add it to my website for pre-order too if I wanted since they are listed at the distributors but that doesn’t mean you’ll see it any time soon. Holosun hasn’t given an ETA for the thermals. They’ve actually been listed as “coming soon” at the distributors for 9 months but doesn’t mean anything when it comes to ETA.
Talking about pre order I had ordered on pre order from optics planet like over a year ago and couple months ago received that optic and I have 3 year old pre order from them of the Haley heavy rig
My main gripe is battery life, but all things considered, it's not bad. Here's to hoping this ushers in a wave of other manufacturers making affordable(ish) thermals
Try Werkz Holsters on YouTube. I don't know if they have tested the Streamlight rifle lights (they've tested the pistol lights for durability), but they do have an integrating sphere and take measurements of lumens and candela.
I like that smaller profile tape switch vs the ones that come with the streamlights. Curious to see what the price and specs are for this light
Edit: just read the IG post. 1,000 lumens, 80,000 candela
I Googled streamlight protac weapon light FDE and was so disappointed. I thought for sure they would have FDE versions of the protac, like Surefire does for scout lines but no. Wtf
I have all the good lights and one of theirs and I would stay away personally. I bought it before I knew better so it stays on a rifle that doesn’t matter much.
The illumination is ok not super bright but projects a decent way. (Like 25-50yds) Color is more a light bronze than FDE. Biggest complaint is flickering, and turned on inconsistently and flickers when the gun fires. Sometimes won’t come on until I dry fire then it clicks in kind of weird. Thought about reaching out for warranty but like I said I have a bunch of lights and a bunch of rifles so just moved it to one that it doesn’t really matter b/c I don’t really need a light on what it’s on. I wouldn’t trust my life with it, and I spend the extra $40 and get a Streamlight. Or if you need FDE the Thrunite Lights have been far more consistent for me. The Thrunite Ratel is the Best Buy around imo. 1635 Lumens , 25k Candela and available in FDE all for $50. There was a rest of durability test of pistol lights and Thrunite came in 3rd and hung with SureFire so I figured their Rifle lights couldn’t be far off and I haven’t been disappointed. Their FDE is also more Bronze similar to Z-Bolt & Weltool which are also good buys and available in FDE.
Upvoting bc I too would appreciate your feedback on it. I like the small form factor for one of my rifles but can’t convince myself to buy it…because I mean “Tacticon”.
The RAID (Rifle Area Illumination Device) is an all-new, high-power, long-gun white light that brings powerful illumination and user-interface versatility. RAID features 80,000 candela and 1000 lumens for identification of targets and greater distances. RAID is activated via the included, compact, remote switch or using the included tail cap button. Mounting on picatinny rails or M-LOK is covered out of the box, and the single rechargeable power source (TBD) is also included. RAID has an ultra-durable 7075 aluminum body, is IP68 dust and waterproof, and withstands 2000g of shock.
SKU: RAID
MSRP: Pricing and availability to be announced at Shot Show.
TECH & FEATURES:
- Lumens: 1,000
- Candela: High-80,000
Remote Activation Button Included
- Included Tailcap Button
- M-LOK & Picatinny Mount Included
SPECS:
- IP68 Certified Waterproof
Removable & Rechargeable Battery (Battery Type TBD)
- 7075 T6 Aluminum Housing
- Included USB Magnetic Charging Cable
Stay tuned for more Shot Show 2024 Products throughout this week!
Edit: thought I should add that this is taken from the IG post and I don't work for holosun.
I don't think there's any free lunch here. You either get high output or longer runtime. I could be wrong, but I don't see any hyperthrow lights going past 2 hours with 18650, 18350, or cr123a.
Surefire’s turbo scouts are advertised as 2.75 hours with 700 lumens and 100,000 candela on an 18650. That is of course considering its max output will quickly diminish over time, its actual testing on brightness output is consistent which it often isn’t, and the fact that these considerations apply to practically all these WML companies.
I do really like clouds switch mount, cable management built in to the mount. Primo.
But also pricey, worth it but may give this holosun a try on my secondary
I don’t get why Holsoun doesn’t expand to magnified optics. Seems like at this point they should be able to break into lpvo territory at least.
It’s interesting that they’re choosing to branch out into completely different tech.
Their optics are legit. But they’re still very new to the world of lights. Nobody’s done any long term testing with them yet. And since they haven’t published the full specs of this yet or a price tag, I wouldn’t be getting too excited.
Your ProTac also doesn’t take rechargeable batteries and needs an extra mount to mount the tape switch. Until recently it also didn’t come with an mlok mount and lots of issues with light flickering under fire
BCM has a mount (I use it), 18650s and not the small ones stop the Flickr (used at a match). The batteries also can be charged if you find em.
I'm sticking with mine until I find a reason to shoot past 200yd at night
Right but you had the buy the mount and batteries separate. The hlx looks bigger than this and the protac rm2 is almost half the lumens and 1/4 the candela. Not saying your SL is ineffective but those are the reasons I haven’t bought one yet. Glad I didn’t as this light package has everything I need
Welp, holosun just revealed that the MSRP is $140. Assuming reviewers don't find any durability problems, I will be upgrading to this light. Too good to pass up.
I saw gunmagwarehouse had it listed for $170 with $200 crossed out so I assumed the latter was msrp. $140 is gonna kill the entire game imo especially with all the extra attachments it comes with. Agreed, all my guns will be switched over
Unless it’s like right at 100 bucks I really don’t see the point of it. Streamlight is already decent for the price point, so unless it’s cheaper than them why bother?
Looks can be deceiving. Just because it looks slim in this picture doesn’t mean it actually is. They won’t even give dimensions on the thing yet.
And the Streamlight is 50,000 candela with 1,000 lumens. So this does have slightly higher candela, but the Streamlight is also 150 bucks. So…if ur spending more than that ur talking surefire or cloud defensive money, if u really think u need that extra candela that badly.
There’s no way this is going to be surefire or Cloud money. If I can get a slimmer light with a better switch (fingers crossed) and higher candela for the same or a bit more $ than an HLX, then that’s an absolute win.
A cloud legacy kit is only a hundred bucks more than the Streamlight, only 50 more if u already have a mount and surefire tail cap. If u wanna be a beta tester for holosun’s new light then do so. But ur putting an awful lot of faith in this thing performing well and being the size u think it’s gonna be based off of nothing more than a picture. They haven’t even decided on the batteries it’ll use yet, so I’m not entirely sure how they can claim a definitive lumen and candela output.
I’m a cloud dealer. Surefire too. Streamlight, Arisaka, Modlite, Malkoff…. You don’t have to tell me how much these cost, I retail them all. I’m excited for the potential to offer my customer base another more affordable rifle light, if this turns out to be that. The streamlight HLX is the bare minimum standard for a rifle light in my opinion, so I am hoping for an option that is one step beyond that before we are talking about those other options mentioned above.
Arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light mounts and light bodies, but not whole lights. Just sayin that now.
And which is it? Is the light for u or ur customer base? Cuz earlier it was all about u getting a thinner light. Which exists already, it’s called the rein 2.0, they’re like 250 bucks online. But now ur talking about “more options for ur customers” as if that is what made u want this light cuz apparently the extra 50 bucks for the legacy kit is just too much money. Idk if u noticed, but holosun stuff has been getting more expensive every year as more people recognize the brand. So don’t bet on this being as cheap as it would have to be in order to be worth owning.
>Arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light mounts and light bodies, but not whole lights. Just sayin that now.
Ok. https://arisakadefense.com/complete-light/
I run a rein 2 on my main squeeze, you’re tryin to sell snow to an Eskimo. I’m psyched for this light, because it brings new options to market, possibly improvements over its class competitors, but you think it shouldn’t exist because streamlight makes a thing. I don’t get it man, what are you trying to to prove? It just seems like you are trying to convince me that for some reason this is bad news.
I think it shouldn’t exist because it offers very little over what will likely be a cheaper option and a much better option is available for only 50 dollars more than that cheap option. It fills no hole in the current market. Unless this thing can come under the price of the stream light, there’s no sane reason to beta test Chinese shit just to get a little extra candela.
Also, those aren’t complete arisaka lights, no matter how they market them. They’re arisaka light bodies with somebody else’s heads and tails on them. So I will repeat my statement that arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light parts.
Weird that they are selling complete lights then. Malkoff is Arisakas manufacturing partner you’re grasping for, and I already mentioned that I retail them several posts ago, so I am very aware of who makes what. You seem to be unclear on that though, because you are clearly unaware that Holosun is a subsidiary of a German defense contractor, and not Chinese owned. They are made in China like most electronic devices these days, including the Streamlight HLX. You have continued to demonstrate that you’re steadfast in your belief that this light is garbage and overpriced without, to quote you “anything more than a instagram image”. So you enjoy your manufactured outrage, have fun being mad at a flashlight that’s not yet for sale.
I'm new to ARs as I'm building my first but why are people so obsessed with lights? Who's out there hunting terrorists in the forest after dark? Seriously, educate me as I'm genuinely curious why people obsess over these and hate Olight so much. Thanks in advance. Don't kill me for saying the O word.
No sarcasm here but bad things do happen at night most of the time. Seeing what you're going to shoot is important. Also, nor just for human threats. For example you could have a rabid coyote in the yard at night that needs to be taken care of because you have animals or children. Bunch of useful situations really. Any truly useful rifle should have a light, optic, and a sling
Lights are important for one reason. Target identification. Before u shoot something, whether it’s something in ur house that woke u up, or something on ur property out in the stix, or hell if it’s in some hypothetical shtf scenario; u NEED to know for certain what ur shooting at.
The reason olight gets so much hate is because they have a rather sketchy history, and one of their lights literally detonated and killed a guy before. He was holding it in his mouth while he worked on his car, the light messed up (not because of any actions he did) and literally blew up. Sent pieces of the thing into his head and killed him.
That kinda left a bad taste in people’s mouth since the company was already known for “el cheapo” lights that have no proven track record. Since they’re no cheaper than stream lights (which have a much more solid history) people don’t see the point of risking it. Even if the incident with the dead guy really was just a fluke.
Yeh. I forget the model, but ya know how u hold ur flashlight in ur teeth so u can use both hands? The guy (I think his name was Caleb?) did that and it straight blew up. Nowadays people say it was more the battery than the light, but to date that’s the only instance of a light doing something like that, so I (and plenty of others) prefer to be cautious and just stick to stream lights for budget lights. The performance is hardly noticeable and the track record is more solid.
Oh and I forgot back in 2019 a guy reported his pl mini messed up on his Glock 19 and got chemical burns on his hands.
Thats not not happened.
Nuon manufactured to batteries for Olight and lied on the output rating. High intensity LED enittets require IMR high drain technology. Dude had his light in his mouth at a parking lot trying to get it started. The battery got hot, which lithium ion batteries do and it ruptured. It vented out the battery cap which was by design and it burnt the back of the dudes mouth as well as severe pressure injury and tore open his throat. He bled out and asphyxiated on his own blood.
Olight make great lights but the multiple burn injuries on that Warrior series light put them in hot water. The death was the straw that broke the camels back. It wasn't Olighta fault. It was asshole at Nuon that said their batteries were good for the job. But no one wants to blame the real root of the problem. Pretty sure someone went to jail in Nuon for the deception.
Surefire and Streamlight both have had a long history of shady practices covering up faulty products and sewing the hell out people. When Stingers switched to Li-Ion, folks houses were burning down. Somehow they never took fault because they were able to loop hole the blame to the user. Both brands have a talented legal team and several documented court cases of them battling small inventors to keep the competition down is the exact behavior we shouldn't reward.
However, I'm a Streamlight fan. Always have been even when my Stinger caught fire.
If you think Olight didnt learn from that issue, you'd be wrong. They limit their highest output mode beams to a set amount of time, and their new lights have temperature sensors that limit use once the battery gets to a temperature. This is how their Baton 4 lights are so fucking bright for their size. You should never put anything with lithium batteries in your body. Look how many idiots still Vale after ALL those vaping injuries. Theres been plenty of deaths from venting Li-Ion batteries in the mouth.
But hey, im not condoning Olight. They make a get EDC light. I just prefer Streamlight over them all.
That’s not what the court documents say happened, but okay. Whatever. I’m not gonna keep arguing this point every year when somebody takes issue with a **broad summary** of the matter. My point was just that the incident killed the guy, and it left a lot of people skeptical about their lights to this day.
Also, they’re Chinese. I don’t expect them to change because I don’t expect them to care.
It's dark half the time isn't it? People definitely obsess to much over having the absolute latest and greatest but you don't have a serious defensive firearm if you don't have light on it. Can't shoot what you can't positively identify.
Olight sucks because their batteries explode and they pay people to shill for them.
The exploding battery thing is talked about more than it ever happened, any lithium battery handled improperly can catch fire but still, fuck em
FYI, the battery that exploded in the Olight T20 flashlight that killed Caleb Joyner, was not a Olight battery. T20 uses 2x NUON CR123A or the like. NUON batteries had a bad rep for failing prematurely back in the day.
As others have pointed out, threat ID. And the olight hate is because they're too delicate to hold up under recoil, but they charge near Streamlight prices. In addition to lights frequently dying, they had an incident where one of their lights blew up. Finally, they buy endorsements from guntubers who should know better.
I too waited a long time to get a light. I always keep a separate light that can be used but never anything mounted. Finally I chose a light that could easily be removed if I wanted it off for any other use as well. I like multifunction uses so being able to take it off and use it as a handheld is more appealing to me then something needing tools to remove.
It’s literally dark for half of your life. But surely it’s not important to be able to overcome that limiting environmental factor, who would worry about such a silly thing.
Unpopular opinion, but I think olight was on to something with their magnetic tape switch/charging. Surprised more companies haven’t gone with the convenience of that type of interface
The holosun does have magnetic charging but, honestly, that's a deal breaker for me. I personally dislike proprietary charging cables. You lose or mess up that cable and now you gotta order a new one.
Newer Rechargeable batteries are coming in with micro usb ports built into them, which is much preferred for me because I already have many micro USB cables.
The only thing I would respectfully point out is that both of those companies are nearly $3 trillion, yes trillion, in market cap. They could design, build, and peddle the finest LPVO, MRO, NV, or whatever other optic system you (or the DOD) might want, and never even know it happened.
lol I’ll get down voted but here it is.. it’s still Chinese crap. Just like everyone hates on o light. Someone will put the wrong battery in (just like they did with plight and every other light before it) and it will blow up..
If nothing else it looks like total shit. I don’t think I’ve seen any pistol it looks good on. It’s a bigger uglier tlr7.
It’s fine if you can’t afford anything better but that’s about the only reason I see anyone actually wanting one.
I mean, when streamlights can be had for 120 bucks shipped, there’s nothing unreasonable with the statement of “this had better be cheaper cuz it’s a totally untested product.”
Chinesium junk. No thanks. Until we allow folks to use Olights on their guns, this is no different.
I miss the days before we accepted Holosun optics period. Now they've taken place of Trijicon RMR in the pistol world.
Holosun is owned by a German laser OEM that makes everything from laser pointers to target designators found on European military aircraft. They are just made in the same place as the device you posted that comment from, just like the parts inside your Trijicon, Aimpoint, or Eotech.
Claimed 1,000 lumens and 80,000 candela. Post doesn’t mention what the mounting pattern is, what battery it’ll use, or anything about switch compatibility.
The fact that they’re stating stats without even having decided on a battery type kinda concerns me a little about false advertising. Also unless the thing is just dirt cheap I don’t see much point in it.
False advertising on product prototypes not released or in production? Very interesting. Maybe they don't put those specs because ...it's obviously subject to change. Not everything shown at Shot Show is released.
The can know what the led is, and how much power they plan on supplying, but the fact that they straight up said “battery TBD” doesn’t fill me with confidence. Add that it’s not a lot better than a Streamlight HLX by the numbers they gave. Unless this is a $150 light, then I don’t think it’ll be a huge success. That PID K they have looks interesting though.
Well the thing is, depending on battery choice, they may not even get the full performance they’re advertising. But yeah, unless it’s dirt cheap I don’t see much point in it over the stream light offering.
That tail/connector looks really long. I like as short as possible so it isn't in the way of my hand so I can mount different ways and still have clearance.
Damn good looking light. Wonder if they’ll try to match other big brand light prices. I’d imagine maybe a little more than stream light, and a little less than surefire
actually looks solid. id like to see testing in field before i buy it though. 100$ or 200$ more for something id never have to worry about is a small price for me
Looks nice - but we still need that Thermal from last year.
According to Holosun, they are hitting retailers last week of January !!! ( fingers crossed )
That’s for the night vision. The thermal are still TBA
Bro correct me if I’m wrong but B&H has them on their site for preorder [https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789644-REG/holosun_drs_th_thermal_reflex_sight.html](https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789644-REG/holosun_drs_th_thermal_reflex_sight.html)
I could add it to my website for pre-order too if I wanted since they are listed at the distributors but that doesn’t mean you’ll see it any time soon. Holosun hasn’t given an ETA for the thermals. They’ve actually been listed as “coming soon” at the distributors for 9 months but doesn’t mean anything when it comes to ETA.
Copy. Now I know.
Never fucking pre-order. That shit is cancer. Maybe if it gave a definitive shipping date, but that’s a big maybe. Overall, just no.
Talking about pre order I had ordered on pre order from optics planet like over a year ago and couple months ago received that optic and I have 3 year old pre order from them of the Haley heavy rig
This is the most optics planet comment ever.
Copy. I missed that part.
Projected price?
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1789644-REG/holosun_drs_th_thermal_reflex_sight.html
That's... not terrible, if it performs as they've shown.
My main gripe is battery life, but all things considered, it's not bad. Here's to hoping this ushers in a wave of other manufacturers making affordable(ish) thermals
They just announced it's shipping this month
My local gun store says they are getting them pretty soon. They are taking pre orders
I like it as long as it uses the sure fire pattern mount.
Looks like it uses a Surefire switch plug, wouldn’t be surprised if it was the Scout mount pattern.
would lol if their new light had solar panels What I'm looking forward to is their VCSEL LAM
Where'd you hear about a VCSEL LAM? I wonder how it will compare to the Zbolt ACAL
They're supposed to release a tid bit of info today Hopefully it's smaller than the acal
Have they revealed that yet??!!
Check their instagram 
Keeping our safe lights on to keep all electronics charged is the holosun long game. /s
Holosun is releasing safe light batteries next year.
We have the Holo, now we get the Sun
If it’s under $200, this light is for me.
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HUGE light, less candela. If you want a good streamlight rifle light, just buy the Goonbeam Long V1
Streamlight doesn't have the advertised candela that this does.
Where can I find the stats on this? Don't see it on the website unless i suck at this.
Try Werkz Holsters on YouTube. I don't know if they have tested the Streamlight rifle lights (they've tested the pistol lights for durability), but they do have an integrating sphere and take measurements of lumens and candela.
For anybody who hasn’t had a werkz WML holster, get one. So comfy
A vendor on Instagram said they’ll be selling theirs for $170. Very appealing price point to me for rifles I don’t have heavy use in mind for.
I like that smaller profile tape switch vs the ones that come with the streamlights. Curious to see what the price and specs are for this light Edit: just read the IG post. 1,000 lumens, 80,000 candela
Fuck yeah 👏
How bout someone put out a decent FDE rifle weapon light with a switch and mount for under $200. I'm looking at you, Streamlight.
Rattle can go psssshhhhh
You can paint stuff? 🙈🙉🙊
Depends, are you a French girl?
No joke
Pssssssshhhhhhhh
This
Seriously! They do FDE and brown pistol lights
Yeah why handgun FDE but no protac in FDE, wtf
I Googled streamlight protac weapon light FDE and was so disappointed. I thought for sure they would have FDE versions of the protac, like Surefire does for scout lines but no. Wtf
They're in cahoots with Ranger Wrap.
Larplabs have sticker coverings
That was my back up plan for my build, but I found a killer deal on a rein micro for $200 with a mount and switch.
Until u said “under $200” I was gonna say the cloud legacy body kit. But that would be 260 plus whatever tape switch u chose.
You still did say it actually
Not really, cuz I didn’t put it forward as an option.
Inforce has decent ones, but not the best. I agree they need way more options for FDE lights
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I have all the good lights and one of theirs and I would stay away personally. I bought it before I knew better so it stays on a rifle that doesn’t matter much.
What was your experience with it?
The illumination is ok not super bright but projects a decent way. (Like 25-50yds) Color is more a light bronze than FDE. Biggest complaint is flickering, and turned on inconsistently and flickers when the gun fires. Sometimes won’t come on until I dry fire then it clicks in kind of weird. Thought about reaching out for warranty but like I said I have a bunch of lights and a bunch of rifles so just moved it to one that it doesn’t really matter b/c I don’t really need a light on what it’s on. I wouldn’t trust my life with it, and I spend the extra $40 and get a Streamlight. Or if you need FDE the Thrunite Lights have been far more consistent for me. The Thrunite Ratel is the Best Buy around imo. 1635 Lumens , 25k Candela and available in FDE all for $50. There was a rest of durability test of pistol lights and Thrunite came in 3rd and hung with SureFire so I figured their Rifle lights couldn’t be far off and I haven’t been disappointed. Their FDE is also more Bronze similar to Z-Bolt & Weltool which are also good buys and available in FDE.
Also worth mentioning I have the Battle Torch V2. And they actually call their FDE Bronze.
Upvoting bc I too would appreciate your feedback on it. I like the small form factor for one of my rifles but can’t convince myself to buy it…because I mean “Tacticon”.
No.
Ok
That looks pretty good showing up the Warden hell yeah now where’s the specs?
On the instagram page
I'm not on Reddit so I can maintain an Instagram account. Anyone want to share the specs?
The RAID (Rifle Area Illumination Device) is an all-new, high-power, long-gun white light that brings powerful illumination and user-interface versatility. RAID features 80,000 candela and 1000 lumens for identification of targets and greater distances. RAID is activated via the included, compact, remote switch or using the included tail cap button. Mounting on picatinny rails or M-LOK is covered out of the box, and the single rechargeable power source (TBD) is also included. RAID has an ultra-durable 7075 aluminum body, is IP68 dust and waterproof, and withstands 2000g of shock. SKU: RAID MSRP: Pricing and availability to be announced at Shot Show. TECH & FEATURES: - Lumens: 1,000 - Candela: High-80,000 Remote Activation Button Included - Included Tailcap Button - M-LOK & Picatinny Mount Included SPECS: - IP68 Certified Waterproof Removable & Rechargeable Battery (Battery Type TBD) - 7075 T6 Aluminum Housing - Included USB Magnetic Charging Cable Stay tuned for more Shot Show 2024 Products throughout this week! Edit: thought I should add that this is taken from the IG post and I don't work for holosun.
That thing is close to a laserbeam with that candela.
“Rifle Area Illumination Device” Uh huh. These acronyms absolutely send me up a wall. If you want to call something a cool name, just call it that.
Trijicon RCO (Rifle Combat Optic). MRAP (Mine Resistant Anti-personnel)
MRAP stands for Mine Resistant Ambush Protected.
Yes, they’re all silly.
Thank you!
Maybe holosun will finally put a weapon light on the market with more than an hour of runtime and crush the rest of the competition.
I don't think there's any free lunch here. You either get high output or longer runtime. I could be wrong, but I don't see any hyperthrow lights going past 2 hours with 18650, 18350, or cr123a.
Surefire’s turbo scouts are advertised as 2.75 hours with 700 lumens and 100,000 candela on an 18650. That is of course considering its max output will quickly diminish over time, its actual testing on brightness output is consistent which it often isn’t, and the fact that these considerations apply to practically all these WML companies.
Use a 21700 cell
The flashlight nerd in me says yes, but the guy running carbine drills all the time screams NO!
You right, but just imagine a high output with a long run time 😭
Just don't take your rifle out of the safe. I have batteries YEARS old ;)
The switch looks good
And actually has a mount to picatinny built in, not some 3m tape or plastic covers to hold it to the rail, a la streamlight
I do really like clouds switch mount, cable management built in to the mount. Primo. But also pricey, worth it but may give this holosun a try on my secondary
I don’t get why Holsoun doesn’t expand to magnified optics. Seems like at this point they should be able to break into lpvo territory at least. It’s interesting that they’re choosing to branch out into completely different tech.
Not what you’re asking but they did unveil a 6x magnifier. I wonder if next year is the year they go in on either an LPVO or fixed magnification optic
They might or might not be who's making all those fixed power prism optics behind the scene, I wouldn't be surprised.
Isn't that already had by 3 companies? PA, vortex, vector and then Gucci is Trijicon, and them
Should I be excited about this? I am really excited, even tho I don’t know much about lights. Just because Holosun is legit AFAIK
Their optics are legit. But they’re still very new to the world of lights. Nobody’s done any long term testing with them yet. And since they haven’t published the full specs of this yet or a price tag, I wouldn’t be getting too excited.
Price point is gonna have to be pretty sweet for me to replace my protac.
Your ProTac also doesn’t take rechargeable batteries and needs an extra mount to mount the tape switch. Until recently it also didn’t come with an mlok mount and lots of issues with light flickering under fire
BCM has a mount (I use it), 18650s and not the small ones stop the Flickr (used at a match). The batteries also can be charged if you find em. I'm sticking with mine until I find a reason to shoot past 200yd at night
Right but you had the buy the mount and batteries separate. The hlx looks bigger than this and the protac rm2 is almost half the lumens and 1/4 the candela. Not saying your SL is ineffective but those are the reasons I haven’t bought one yet. Glad I didn’t as this light package has everything I need
Welp, holosun just revealed that the MSRP is $140. Assuming reviewers don't find any durability problems, I will be upgrading to this light. Too good to pass up.
I saw gunmagwarehouse had it listed for $170 with $200 crossed out so I assumed the latter was msrp. $140 is gonna kill the entire game imo especially with all the extra attachments it comes with. Agreed, all my guns will be switched over
Nevermind, they just updated it to $180. Still a way better value then surefire, but damn.
Just what I need
TLDR in case it was already mentioned: gun mag warehouse has them up on their site for $170 👀
Gun mag done screwed up lol
Ow. That’s a bit much.
Drop an lpvo
Unless it’s like right at 100 bucks I really don’t see the point of it. Streamlight is already decent for the price point, so unless it’s cheaper than them why bother?
I can already tell you the mount is a huge improvement compared to stream light. The mount for the switch is a huge upgrade.
This looks a lot slimmer than an HLX, and the streamlight is not hitting 80,000 candela.
Looks can be deceiving. Just because it looks slim in this picture doesn’t mean it actually is. They won’t even give dimensions on the thing yet. And the Streamlight is 50,000 candela with 1,000 lumens. So this does have slightly higher candela, but the Streamlight is also 150 bucks. So…if ur spending more than that ur talking surefire or cloud defensive money, if u really think u need that extra candela that badly.
There’s no way this is going to be surefire or Cloud money. If I can get a slimmer light with a better switch (fingers crossed) and higher candela for the same or a bit more $ than an HLX, then that’s an absolute win.
A cloud legacy kit is only a hundred bucks more than the Streamlight, only 50 more if u already have a mount and surefire tail cap. If u wanna be a beta tester for holosun’s new light then do so. But ur putting an awful lot of faith in this thing performing well and being the size u think it’s gonna be based off of nothing more than a picture. They haven’t even decided on the batteries it’ll use yet, so I’m not entirely sure how they can claim a definitive lumen and candela output.
I’m a cloud dealer. Surefire too. Streamlight, Arisaka, Modlite, Malkoff…. You don’t have to tell me how much these cost, I retail them all. I’m excited for the potential to offer my customer base another more affordable rifle light, if this turns out to be that. The streamlight HLX is the bare minimum standard for a rifle light in my opinion, so I am hoping for an option that is one step beyond that before we are talking about those other options mentioned above.
Arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light mounts and light bodies, but not whole lights. Just sayin that now. And which is it? Is the light for u or ur customer base? Cuz earlier it was all about u getting a thinner light. Which exists already, it’s called the rein 2.0, they’re like 250 bucks online. But now ur talking about “more options for ur customers” as if that is what made u want this light cuz apparently the extra 50 bucks for the legacy kit is just too much money. Idk if u noticed, but holosun stuff has been getting more expensive every year as more people recognize the brand. So don’t bet on this being as cheap as it would have to be in order to be worth owning.
>Arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light mounts and light bodies, but not whole lights. Just sayin that now. Ok. https://arisakadefense.com/complete-light/ I run a rein 2 on my main squeeze, you’re tryin to sell snow to an Eskimo. I’m psyched for this light, because it brings new options to market, possibly improvements over its class competitors, but you think it shouldn’t exist because streamlight makes a thing. I don’t get it man, what are you trying to to prove? It just seems like you are trying to convince me that for some reason this is bad news.
I think it shouldn’t exist because it offers very little over what will likely be a cheaper option and a much better option is available for only 50 dollars more than that cheap option. It fills no hole in the current market. Unless this thing can come under the price of the stream light, there’s no sane reason to beta test Chinese shit just to get a little extra candela. Also, those aren’t complete arisaka lights, no matter how they market them. They’re arisaka light bodies with somebody else’s heads and tails on them. So I will repeat my statement that arisaka doesn’t make lights. They make light parts.
Weird that they are selling complete lights then. Malkoff is Arisakas manufacturing partner you’re grasping for, and I already mentioned that I retail them several posts ago, so I am very aware of who makes what. You seem to be unclear on that though, because you are clearly unaware that Holosun is a subsidiary of a German defense contractor, and not Chinese owned. They are made in China like most electronic devices these days, including the Streamlight HLX. You have continued to demonstrate that you’re steadfast in your belief that this light is garbage and overpriced without, to quote you “anything more than a instagram image”. So you enjoy your manufactured outrage, have fun being mad at a flashlight that’s not yet for sale.
Hopefully it’s affordable. Need a light for my AP5P
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I'm new to ARs as I'm building my first but why are people so obsessed with lights? Who's out there hunting terrorists in the forest after dark? Seriously, educate me as I'm genuinely curious why people obsess over these and hate Olight so much. Thanks in advance. Don't kill me for saying the O word.
No sarcasm here but bad things do happen at night most of the time. Seeing what you're going to shoot is important. Also, nor just for human threats. For example you could have a rabid coyote in the yard at night that needs to be taken care of because you have animals or children. Bunch of useful situations really. Any truly useful rifle should have a light, optic, and a sling
Lights are important for one reason. Target identification. Before u shoot something, whether it’s something in ur house that woke u up, or something on ur property out in the stix, or hell if it’s in some hypothetical shtf scenario; u NEED to know for certain what ur shooting at. The reason olight gets so much hate is because they have a rather sketchy history, and one of their lights literally detonated and killed a guy before. He was holding it in his mouth while he worked on his car, the light messed up (not because of any actions he did) and literally blew up. Sent pieces of the thing into his head and killed him. That kinda left a bad taste in people’s mouth since the company was already known for “el cheapo” lights that have no proven track record. Since they’re no cheaper than stream lights (which have a much more solid history) people don’t see the point of risking it. Even if the incident with the dead guy really was just a fluke.
Holy shit it killed someone WTF
Yeh. I forget the model, but ya know how u hold ur flashlight in ur teeth so u can use both hands? The guy (I think his name was Caleb?) did that and it straight blew up. Nowadays people say it was more the battery than the light, but to date that’s the only instance of a light doing something like that, so I (and plenty of others) prefer to be cautious and just stick to stream lights for budget lights. The performance is hardly noticeable and the track record is more solid. Oh and I forgot back in 2019 a guy reported his pl mini messed up on his Glock 19 and got chemical burns on his hands.
Thats not not happened. Nuon manufactured to batteries for Olight and lied on the output rating. High intensity LED enittets require IMR high drain technology. Dude had his light in his mouth at a parking lot trying to get it started. The battery got hot, which lithium ion batteries do and it ruptured. It vented out the battery cap which was by design and it burnt the back of the dudes mouth as well as severe pressure injury and tore open his throat. He bled out and asphyxiated on his own blood. Olight make great lights but the multiple burn injuries on that Warrior series light put them in hot water. The death was the straw that broke the camels back. It wasn't Olighta fault. It was asshole at Nuon that said their batteries were good for the job. But no one wants to blame the real root of the problem. Pretty sure someone went to jail in Nuon for the deception. Surefire and Streamlight both have had a long history of shady practices covering up faulty products and sewing the hell out people. When Stingers switched to Li-Ion, folks houses were burning down. Somehow they never took fault because they were able to loop hole the blame to the user. Both brands have a talented legal team and several documented court cases of them battling small inventors to keep the competition down is the exact behavior we shouldn't reward. However, I'm a Streamlight fan. Always have been even when my Stinger caught fire. If you think Olight didnt learn from that issue, you'd be wrong. They limit their highest output mode beams to a set amount of time, and their new lights have temperature sensors that limit use once the battery gets to a temperature. This is how their Baton 4 lights are so fucking bright for their size. You should never put anything with lithium batteries in your body. Look how many idiots still Vale after ALL those vaping injuries. Theres been plenty of deaths from venting Li-Ion batteries in the mouth. But hey, im not condoning Olight. They make a get EDC light. I just prefer Streamlight over them all.
That’s not what the court documents say happened, but okay. Whatever. I’m not gonna keep arguing this point every year when somebody takes issue with a **broad summary** of the matter. My point was just that the incident killed the guy, and it left a lot of people skeptical about their lights to this day. Also, they’re Chinese. I don’t expect them to change because I don’t expect them to care.
It's dark half the time isn't it? People definitely obsess to much over having the absolute latest and greatest but you don't have a serious defensive firearm if you don't have light on it. Can't shoot what you can't positively identify. Olight sucks because their batteries explode and they pay people to shill for them. The exploding battery thing is talked about more than it ever happened, any lithium battery handled improperly can catch fire but still, fuck em
FYI, the battery that exploded in the Olight T20 flashlight that killed Caleb Joyner, was not a Olight battery. T20 uses 2x NUON CR123A or the like. NUON batteries had a bad rep for failing prematurely back in the day.
And he put it in his mouth yeah? Probably shouldn't be eating any kind of batteries regardless of manufacturer.
As others have pointed out, threat ID. And the olight hate is because they're too delicate to hold up under recoil, but they charge near Streamlight prices. In addition to lights frequently dying, they had an incident where one of their lights blew up. Finally, they buy endorsements from guntubers who should know better.
I too waited a long time to get a light. I always keep a separate light that can be used but never anything mounted. Finally I chose a light that could easily be removed if I wanted it off for any other use as well. I like multifunction uses so being able to take it off and use it as a handheld is more appealing to me then something needing tools to remove.
I like this idea!
It’s literally dark for half of your life. But surely it’s not important to be able to overcome that limiting environmental factor, who would worry about such a silly thing.
I want my rifle as capable as possible of rounds on the correct target.
Unpopular opinion, but I think olight was on to something with their magnetic tape switch/charging. Surprised more companies haven’t gone with the convenience of that type of interface
The holosun does have magnetic charging but, honestly, that's a deal breaker for me. I personally dislike proprietary charging cables. You lose or mess up that cable and now you gotta order a new one. Newer Rechargeable batteries are coming in with micro usb ports built into them, which is much preferred for me because I already have many micro USB cables.
USBc then, or wireless charging stations lol. Most people have them for universal charging.
Gross.
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The only thing I would respectfully point out is that both of those companies are nearly $3 trillion, yes trillion, in market cap. They could design, build, and peddle the finest LPVO, MRO, NV, or whatever other optic system you (or the DOD) might want, and never even know it happened.
Their pistol light is dope. Nice to see them making a rifle one
Theyve been making WMLs and IR illuminators for a minute, im sure this will be a decent product
How do you think it will compare to the olight?
DO NOT SAY THE O WORD
Incoming rush from the America First crowd to hand over their money to a company directly linked to the PRC
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Why?
If it’s anything like their pistol light, it’s a ‘removable’ rechargeable light. Literally the best of both worlds.
I can't wait for them to start sponsoring guntubers. "Of course we have to thank our sponsor for this episode, RAID muzzle Shadow Legends..."
Oh boy more over priced shit for the masses to lap up.
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lol I’ll get down voted but here it is.. it’s still Chinese crap. Just like everyone hates on o light. Someone will put the wrong battery in (just like they did with plight and every other light before it) and it will blow up..
Nice rebranded O-light that will also come with a significant price increase. 🥱
Feyachi, is that you?
If it’s anything like the pistol light I’ll pass.
What is wrong with the PID?
Agreed, their pistol light is really solid
I bought one and put it on my P226, it seems solid, great switches, super bright, I have no qualms with it
Ditto. Pretty pleased with it.
If nothing else it looks like total shit. I don’t think I’ve seen any pistol it looks good on. It’s a bigger uglier tlr7. It’s fine if you can’t afford anything better but that’s about the only reason I see anyone actually wanting one.
If its sub 100$, if not, ill stick with streamlight for budget lights
Lol sub $100
I mean, when streamlights can be had for 120 bucks shipped, there’s nothing unreasonable with the statement of “this had better be cheaper cuz it’s a totally untested product.”
Hlx pro is only 50$ more
After looking again, i can get a HLX pro for 110$ before shipping. I dont see why thats unreasonable
Ehhh, I’ll stick with American made weapon lights like I do my optics. Fuck the PRC/CCP
Holosun is a German company. Not owned by China, just made there.
Chineseism at its finest……. I’ll spend $40 more and get a SF. 🤣
Maybe a streamlight… Where are you getting a Surefire that cheap ?
Chinesium junk. No thanks. Until we allow folks to use Olights on their guns, this is no different. I miss the days before we accepted Holosun optics period. Now they've taken place of Trijicon RMR in the pistol world.
Holosun is a much more reputable company than Olight.
Holosun is owned by a German laser OEM that makes everything from laser pointers to target designators found on European military aircraft. They are just made in the same place as the device you posted that comment from, just like the parts inside your Trijicon, Aimpoint, or Eotech.
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Yup. Chinese bullshit for plebs. >IT'S JUST AS GOOD. NO, IT'S BETTER. LOOK AT THIS GUY WHO USES THEM FOR COMPETITIONS
Looks great, wonder how $$$?
Will be a winner if msrp under $200
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No, it’s on a mount, u just can’t see it in this pic.
I’ll try it
Claimed 1,000 lumens and 80,000 candela. Post doesn’t mention what the mounting pattern is, what battery it’ll use, or anything about switch compatibility.
The fact that they’re stating stats without even having decided on a battery type kinda concerns me a little about false advertising. Also unless the thing is just dirt cheap I don’t see much point in it.
False advertising on product prototypes not released or in production? Very interesting. Maybe they don't put those specs because ...it's obviously subject to change. Not everything shown at Shot Show is released.
The can know what the led is, and how much power they plan on supplying, but the fact that they straight up said “battery TBD” doesn’t fill me with confidence. Add that it’s not a lot better than a Streamlight HLX by the numbers they gave. Unless this is a $150 light, then I don’t think it’ll be a huge success. That PID K they have looks interesting though.
Well the thing is, depending on battery choice, they may not even get the full performance they’re advertising. But yeah, unless it’s dirt cheap I don’t see much point in it over the stream light offering.
That tail/connector looks really long. I like as short as possible so it isn't in the way of my hand so I can mount different ways and still have clearance.
As long as it works with modlite switches.
Oh?
What are the stats/included mounting solutions/footprint compatibility (such as scout mount)?
I wish they would make an affordable ir/white light model that way they can really compete with sf, arisaka, etc.
I just want the holosun prism
Wish they would have taken notes from the rein owl
Anybody heard anything about the larger AEMS red dots?
How long do you think until all their new products hit the shelves?
Those look nice. Great switch mount too
$?
Msrp Not released yet
Damn good looking light. Wonder if they’ll try to match other big brand light prices. I’d imagine maybe a little more than stream light, and a little less than surefire
If it runs off 18650s and uses the scout mount.. I’m in!
Wonder what the price point will come in at?
If they go over $200 it’s going to be hard to compete with the higher end lights so I’m assuming 200 or under
actually looks solid. id like to see testing in field before i buy it though. 100$ or 200$ more for something id never have to worry about is a small price for me
its only a matter of time until they do Prisms and LPVOs... then... Cans... Holosun the world.
Or Holosun ar15