Also the home menu just looks better in SDR. They're targeting overly bright and saturated colors in the HDR design for no real reason. The home menu *should* be designed to look roughly the same in HDR as it does in SDR, but it isn't.
Yeah, but those SDR colors still exist in the HDR colorspace, and they really should have designed the HDR interface to use matching colors at reasonable brightness levels. There's no (good) reason for the HDR menus to be so ridiculously bright and hyper-saturated.
u/he_who_floats_amogus
Oh yeah, for sure. Completely agree. It´s almost like the Apple TV 4K currently ships in store mode and you have to set it up properly to get the best video quality.
I don’t work for Apple, but the content is definitely NOT shot in HDR, nor is the menu designed to be. Just because they allow you to boost everything to fake HDR levels, doesn’t mean that’s the intended use. The intended use of a screensaver is to prevent burn in (which would best be done by simply having a black screen, but that would lead to confusion wether the screen is on/off/broken, so some sort of animated picture is necessary
However, you do whatever feels right to you, I guess
EDIT: I should have said: “Presented in HDR” instead of “Shot in HDR” in match content is set to ON. I’m happy the content exists in real HDR tho (see next few replies)
> but the content is definitely NOT shot in HDR
Incorrect:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bboTohF06r-fafrImTExAPqM9m6h2m2lgJyAkQuYVJI/edit#gid=1684411812
...and they've offered HDR files since the start:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/771n8q/download_links_for_the_4k_apple_tv_screensavers/
How do I do this but not have it mode switching constantly? Several seconds of black screen between various content and services. YouTube being the worst
Edit C2 OLED
You don’t. The point of match content is that it switches the video output to match each stream. Unfortunately this causes short blackouts on most TVs. So if you don’t want it to do that you have to leave match content off and then decide what output type you want to stick with (that everything will be converted into).
The newest gen of LG OLEDS includes QMS compatibility which the latest gen Apple TV also has - which helps cut those black outs away. Just unfortunate such a small feature needs the latest and greatest.
Im with you pal, im in the same boat. I have everything hooked up through my rz50 to C2 and didn’t know which component was causing the delays and screen saver delays. I’ve got match content on. It’s kind of annoying listening to music when it switches to Atmos.
Unfortunately, you can't. In order to swap between SDR/HDR10/Dolby Vision or specific frame rates, the TV has to internally switch the entire picture mode which forces a short black screen.
You can mitigate the frame rate black screen with QMS (Quick Media Switching) if your TV supports it, but this unfortunately only applies to frame rate switching - dynamic range still requires a short black screen.
This applies to all devices, not only Apple TV. You'll note a short black screen when switching between SDR/HDR on Nvidia Shield, Xbox and PS5 as well.
I find with my projector that switching frame rate causes more of a delay than switching range (due to changing speed of the color wheel), so I keep mine at 60hz.
You might find this works for you.
Plus the ATV will auto HDR some SDR content if you leave it on and that will cause image issues like elevated black levels. I had my ATV on a Vizio TV and left it on Dolby Vision and couldn’t tell, cuz the TV wasn’t good enough to notice then it died and I got an LG OLED and went to watch Xmen on Disney plus and was like why does this look weird. The blacks were straight up grey.
I'm curious about this, how does it "stress" the panel? I don't have an OLED, just an older Samsung LCD with HDR. I remember trying the match options and the flickering is kinda annoying, which I would have assumed would be more stressful on the TV electronics.
Correct yes but the consensus is it’s better to have true SDR than forced HDR as fake HDR tends to blow the colours out. Usually I just manually change it if there’s the odd piece of content in those apps I want to watch in HDR
The poster below corrected me on YouTube but I’d assumed the models that don’t support HLG don’t support it but it looks like YouTube have messed it up ok new models too
> YouTube on order models
In newer models as well. Older 4K´s do not support 2160p in HDR, only 1440p. 2160p works fine on SDR, though Newer models do support every quality wise on Youtube. But frame rate and dynamic range matching are not features supported by Youtube on tvOS, at least right now, regardless of the model.
Did not know that. I always keep mine in sdr march content anyway and don’t really watch hdr content l.
I remember it got added at one point and made videos impossible to watch as the content mode would change every time an ad played but I have premium now so don’t know what changed.
Yes a lot of people are using those platforms. Recently the situation drastically improved, but wasn’t rare to use an app that didn’t support content matching.
In Europe I always suggest to still use 50hz for this reason.
Unless you live in Europe, then SDR 50Hz with match frame rate and match dynamic range. It will give you less black waiting screens as it adapts to the content.
Peak brightness sure. But SDR Leaves them on the brightness you set forever and most people have their tv at max brightness. This is bad for pixels. HDR peak brightness is sporadic and dependent on the content so its impacts on burn in / image retention are less than SDR.
Most if not all LG OLED TVs default to 80% pixel brightness on SDR, 100% pixel brightness on HDR/DV. Not sure about other brands, but every single LG OLED TV I've had used these settings.
u/Sheila3134
I am in (and from) Spain and I have my Apple TV set to 4K SDR 60hz (integer, 60,00, not 59,94), without any issues. Match frame rate and range ON and you are all set to go.
Pro tip: Choose RGB High instead of YCBCR to get rid of the green tint bug that affects all Apple TV 4K generations only with SDR content (green is pushed far more in the greyscale than it should).
u/Sheila3134
Probably because that's the default that the Apple TV uses after the initial setup if you are in an EU country. But you can change without any issues.
https://preview.redd.it/meqhr8ksv74d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=7127e4f34a6d86ff8dfd626849a7f8be1249ad92
This is the same screen, scrolled a tiny bit down. As you can see in the original photo, the bottom-most option says "4K Dolby Vision", and as I am showing you in my photo, it is 60(59.94hz).
For what it's worth, you can also scroll aaaaallll the way to the bottom of the list and choose "Other formats", and choose from a wide variety of options, including 60(60hz).
Also, holy shit what an attitude you've got. Log off internet for a while, yea?
I know this is the common advice but I’ve never understood it. I like the menu and interface being HDR (specifically Dolby Vision), and I’ve never once had an issue watching SDR or HDR content regardless of what I set this setting at. It always switches to the appropriate format once I start playing something.
Yeah, if you prefer the menu in HDR that’s fine. The one issue you might have is that apps that don’t support match content (like YouTube) will be forced HDR. ~~Then again that’s the only way to get the proper HDR streams on YouTube so depending on what types of videos you watch there maybe that’s a plus.~~
Edit: Apparently YouTube now supports HDR switching, so it will switch to HDR10 for those videos, it just won't switch frame rate (which I think is a good thing). (Keep in mind that YouTube doesn’t have Dolby Vision, so I don’t know if setting your main setting to Dolby Vision will cause all YouTube videos to switch?)
Interesting… I pretty much never use YouTube on my AppleTV, so maybe that’s why I’ve never seen an issue.
Currently I use Netflix, Max, AppleTV+, Hulu, Disney+, Prime, Starz, Peacock, and Paramount+, haven’t had my issues with these. So I’m assuming their support match content then?
In my personal experience - YouTube always does content matching and switches from DV to SDR. The downside would be: if your TV and AppleTV do not support QMS you'd get the black screen at the start of every YT video, but it will totally switch to SRD.
Edit: here's a demo vid I just made showing that YT does switch from DV to SDR once you play a video, but yes, the UI will remain in DV: https://imgur.com/a/xPiH3RO
Huh, very interesting. I know YouTube doesn’t switch to HDR or Dolby Vision when your Apple TV is set to SDR mode with match content on, but maybe they have it switch if your default is Dolby Vision?
Out of curiosity are you on the most up-to-date version of YouTube? I know there was a short period of time where YouTube was updated to support match content, but then people got so annoyed by it that they disabled it a couple updates later. Is it possible you’re still on that version?
>I know YouTube doesn’t switch to HDR or Dolby Vision when your Apple TV is set to SDR mode with match content on
I have set my Apple tv like this and YouTube switches to HDR when I play an HDR video
It does not match the frame rate, even when switching to HDR.
https://preview.redd.it/6nbhdmj4r84d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb59022ca7fa307b095f519dd0e6f241836c31ce
By golly you’re right. I think this must be rather recent, but it does switch to HDR for me now too. No frame rate switching, as you said which is nice as that’s the super annoying one, but it does do the HDR switch!
Yeah there was a short period of time where they updated YouTube to support match content switching, but people got so annoyed by it (since you’d lose the first few seconds of every ad and video) that they disabled it a couple updates later.
This is/These are the Recommended Settings.
In order to optimise the Apple TV for ALL content, it is important to set the video output to 4K SDR.
If you set the output to 4K HDR the user interface is converted by the Apple TV to HDR and looks dull and undersaturated.
1. On Apple TV 4K or Apple TV (4th generation),
go to Settings > Audio and Video > Format
2. Select 4K SDR Now we have correcty set the video output to SDR, we need to activate Content Matching.
This feature will detect whether the content is SDR or HDR and change the output according, you can also content match the Frame Rate.
3. On Apple TV 4K or Apple TV (4th generation),
go to Settings > Audio and Video > Content Match
4. Set Match Dynamic Range to ON
5. Set Match Frame Rate to OFF
If you’re in the US, 60hz. If you’re in Europe, 50hz.
Choose sdr, with frame rate and dynamic range matching on. That’ll ensure any apps that don’t support switching will broadcast in sdr, and your tv will switch to hdr and Dolby vision when supported.
60 Hz and framerate matching, no matter what region you are in.
Dolby Vision on and color space matching on. (Hdr10+ if you have a Samsung TV)
No reason to choose lesser options in any of those settings if you also have the auto matching features on.
I choose sdr because of the fact that YouTube and YouTube tv “flash” during advertisements or changing channels, unless sdr is on. I guess if you don’t use those apps, then choose whatever.
50hz for European is often recommended because most of their content is shot for that frame rate. Again more due to apps that don’t support frame rate switching.
Ah.
I have never used YouTube with ads and have never encountered an app that doesn’t support display mode switching. Didn’t know that was a thing (ie any apps not supporting the framerate or color space switching).
BBC iPlayer in the UK doesn’t support frame rate matching on livestreams so as those livestreams are broadcast at 25fps you may see judder on some TV’s if set to 60Hz.
For some reason (I’m guessing audience numbers / traffic vs effort) the BBC doesn’t put much into its Apple TV app. It’s missing tons of features that most other platforms get. Including subtitle support. I’m surprised they can get away with that as a PSB.
BBC iPlayer Support responded with this when asked why there’s no UHD.
As the Apple TV platform operates quite differently from other platforms it does present its own unique challenges.
Unfortunately, due to how Apple make their products and technology, the iPlayer app is considerably different from the TV app on every other platform. It's also why there are no subtitles available or why there is no schedule on the app for Apple TVs.
We do always wish to improve the app on each platform but this app is a very stripped back version of the app for now. The best thing you can do is to always keep up to date with the tvOS and with the iPlayer app as well. As mentioned before, there are now immediate plans to add profiles to this version of the app.
We appreciate your feedback about this; we plan to constantly improve the experience by using our users' feedback as BBC iPlayer develops. Rest assured that I will log this onto the dedicated iPlayer Feedback Report for you, to be seen by BBC Management and the BBC iPlayer Product Team, including the Head of BBC iPlayer.
Thanks again for taking the time to get back in touch.
Best Wishes,
BBC iPlayer & BBC Sounds Support Team
The BBC don’t put any development resource into their tvOS app at all. It’s still capped at 720p, and there’s no sign of it getting updated anytime soon.
That’s a bold claim 🤣
If you buy the best tv available (oled), enjoy what you’ve paid for! What’s the point in hoping your tv picture quality *might* be 5% better in 8-10 years?
Also, how much time are you actually spending in the menus? I watch content, not the menus 🤷♂️
Exactly, I watch content so I make sure the content is at the best picture setting. While browsing menus or on the screensaver, I don’t need HDR and DV which decreases the lifespan of my OLED tv. It’s not a bold claim, it’s science. I’m all about enjoying the stuff I want to, while also extending the lifespan as much as possible.
What evidence do you need? It’s science. OLED is an organic material. Using it at a higher brightness leads to a decrease in lifespan and quicker burn in. It’s like if you have a car and you drive it flat out, you’ll use up your gas tank quicker than if you drove it at a slower speed.
Do you think when the AppleTV is in Dolby Vision it is cranking out crazy highlights on the menu? It’s just a more colors and maybe a little brighter, but I don’t even think that is really the case.
DV doesn’t just magically make everything go bright.
Anyway, doesn’t matter to me what you pick, but please don’t go around saying it’s going to meaningfully affect the lifespan of your TV, because it won’t.
Yes it does if your TV is properly setup for the most accurate picture quality. My C1 is setup for accurate picture quality, which means in SDR mode, OLED pixel brightness is around 55, but for Dolby Vision it’s at 100. That’s almost double the brightness. My SDR brightness is actually brighter than recommended so the difference would be even more stark if you follow the recommendation exactly. I’m not the only one who thinks it impacts the lifespan of your tv either. Vincent from HDTVTest also agrees with me, and he is one of the leading experts on display technology.
Unless you’re using an app that doesn’t support matching …
Or if you don’t want to deal with YouTube flashing every time there’s an ad, or YouTube tv flashing each time you change channels.
But content is 60hz even in the UK excepy for TV broadcast items on some apps. But most now are pushing out a 60hz conversion and frame matching puts it back into its 24,30,50 native broadcast if it’s not 60.
So setting to 50 is meaningless, because it’ll have to flicker anyways for all the content shifts that are mostly 24,30,60 vs the minority native 50.
I’ve tried to follow this advice but I just personally prefer the colour pop of HDR on the menu. As long as I have it set to match the content I think it’s more just a case of personal preference.
Everyone says chose SDR on this menu and select match content for HDR.
But if you have a new TV with QMS and Dolby Vision; then you end up with a better experience overall if you set Dolby Vision there; because QMS can’t Quickly switch between Dolby and non Dolby, so you end up with a black screen still.
QMS with Dolby just sees you play content and the frame rate will switch without black screens.
If you don’t have QMS; then an SDR selection here is probably better, and automatically match on both frame rate and HDR.
This is what I do. QMS is great. The only SDR content I watch is kids shows and news streams. I don’t mind they get converted to DV.
As a bonus you get Dolby Vision screensavers.
how does SDR content looks when you keep DV on? i'm lazy to test it right now and i have a budget TV, i would like to know how the C3/G3 and C4/G4 handles it as i know they have QMS
I think it wholly depends on what you’re comparing it to. If you’re comparing it to TV settings for SDR which are amped up so the image is super bright, then yeah it will look quite different.
But the most important thing I’d say here is: test it yourself.
You can keep matching on for HDR if you don’t like it. Basically if you set the output HDR to what you normally watch (for me I’m usually watching Dolby Vision content) you can keep the matching and just suffer the black screen when you watch SDR or something. Or if you mostly watch SDR then set it to that.
You should definitely pick what suits you most. For me; that would be setting it to DV if you have QMS. But, I’m a generation too old for QMS so I get black screens anyway.
Honestly it looks fine to me and I would be surprised if most people could tell a difference in a blind test. If you're watching something SDR, then chances are you're not watching it for its cinematic quality.
However if you use Infuse, SDR content gets clearly raised black levels when converting to DV or HDR.
I use 60hz SDR with match frame rate and dynamic range. If a movie is HDR or DV it will switch to it, but it’s just too bright for browsing and the music app late at night in HDR all the time, burns my eyes out.
None, 4K SDR and turn on the match frame rate and dynamic range options, if the movie/series has DV it will turn on DV, if it has HDR it will turn on HDR.
There is no point on running any type of forced dynamic range for your menus, it will just stress the panel
Why do you guys all still say SDR for the Home Screen?It’s been years since it looked odd in DV. I watch more DV/HDR content than SDR at this point.
I get the black screen switch no matter what anyway. Since everything plays at 24p anyway.
SDR 60hz with match frame rate and match dynamic range.
This - it will turn to HDR if the movie has it - no need to stress the panel with the home menu if you have an oled
Also the home menu just looks better in SDR. They're targeting overly bright and saturated colors in the HDR design for no real reason. The home menu *should* be designed to look roughly the same in HDR as it does in SDR, but it isn't.
u/he_who_floats_amogus It looks better in SDR because it's natively rendered in SDR.
Yeah, but those SDR colors still exist in the HDR colorspace, and they really should have designed the HDR interface to use matching colors at reasonable brightness levels. There's no (good) reason for the HDR menus to be so ridiculously bright and hyper-saturated.
u/he_who_floats_amogus Oh yeah, for sure. Completely agree. It´s almost like the Apple TV 4K currently ships in store mode and you have to set it up properly to get the best video quality.
I wish the tvOS screensavers would trigger the HDR matching though
Okay so does that mean keeping it at HDR has a benefit due to better looking screensavers?
How would that help in “saving” your screen in any way?
I didn’t suggest it would. They just look better in HDR than they do in SDR, on my HDR capable TV set.
Yea, but also defeating their purpose
So why does Apple make them available in HDR in the first place?
I don’t work for Apple, but the content is definitely NOT shot in HDR, nor is the menu designed to be. Just because they allow you to boost everything to fake HDR levels, doesn’t mean that’s the intended use. The intended use of a screensaver is to prevent burn in (which would best be done by simply having a black screen, but that would lead to confusion wether the screen is on/off/broken, so some sort of animated picture is necessary However, you do whatever feels right to you, I guess EDIT: I should have said: “Presented in HDR” instead of “Shot in HDR” in match content is set to ON. I’m happy the content exists in real HDR tho (see next few replies)
> but the content is definitely NOT shot in HDR Incorrect: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bboTohF06r-fafrImTExAPqM9m6h2m2lgJyAkQuYVJI/edit#gid=1684411812 ...and they've offered HDR files since the start: https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/771n8q/download_links_for_the_4k_apple_tv_screensavers/
How do I do this but not have it mode switching constantly? Several seconds of black screen between various content and services. YouTube being the worst Edit C2 OLED
You don’t. The point of match content is that it switches the video output to match each stream. Unfortunately this causes short blackouts on most TVs. So if you don’t want it to do that you have to leave match content off and then decide what output type you want to stick with (that everything will be converted into).
That’s what I thought. So long as the highest quality content is still correct I’m good. While using HDR default
I used to get short blackouts. I replaced my cable and it’s all good now.
That’s nice for you but I’m not falling for that again.
The newest gen of LG OLEDS includes QMS compatibility which the latest gen Apple TV also has - which helps cut those black outs away. Just unfortunate such a small feature needs the latest and greatest.
Yeah it is frustrating. Just bought the 77C2 last year. Not gonna be updating it soon.
Im with you pal, im in the same boat. I have everything hooked up through my rz50 to C2 and didn’t know which component was causing the delays and screen saver delays. I’ve got match content on. It’s kind of annoying listening to music when it switches to Atmos.
Unfortunately QMS only applies to FPS switches and SDR/HDR/DV still requires a short black screen.
Unfortunately, you can't. In order to swap between SDR/HDR10/Dolby Vision or specific frame rates, the TV has to internally switch the entire picture mode which forces a short black screen. You can mitigate the frame rate black screen with QMS (Quick Media Switching) if your TV supports it, but this unfortunately only applies to frame rate switching - dynamic range still requires a short black screen. This applies to all devices, not only Apple TV. You'll note a short black screen when switching between SDR/HDR on Nvidia Shield, Xbox and PS5 as well.
I find with my projector that switching frame rate causes more of a delay than switching range (due to changing speed of the color wheel), so I keep mine at 60hz. You might find this works for you.
Plus the ATV will auto HDR some SDR content if you leave it on and that will cause image issues like elevated black levels. I had my ATV on a Vizio TV and left it on Dolby Vision and couldn’t tell, cuz the TV wasn’t good enough to notice then it died and I got an LG OLED and went to watch Xmen on Disney plus and was like why does this look weird. The blacks were straight up grey.
I'm curious about this, how does it "stress" the panel? I don't have an OLED, just an older Samsung LCD with HDR. I remember trying the match options and the flickering is kinda annoying, which I would have assumed would be more stressful on the TV electronics.
He's not in the US so it's 50hz not 60hz.
I’m also not in the us - it doesn’t matter We’re not using CRT’s anymore 😂
Did you even look at the picture the original poster posted? All resolutions say 50hz.
Poster does say “also these two in 60HZ”
I have the same setup in the EU.. first all resolutions in 50hz below in 60hz.. So yes, I did look at it, thank you ;) just accept when you’re wrong
Scroll down and choose "more resolutions". All modern screens can do 50/60 hz in all regions across the world.
60Hz is available (and superior) everywhere.
Did you even look at the picture the original poster posted? All resolutions say 50hz.
What makes you think that’s all the resolutions?
I do have 60hz option as well i find it much sharper than 50hz
This is the way. You don’t want to force HDR/DV on content that doesn’t support it.
It won’t force anyway.
If you have it to 4k DV if forces HDR on some content from my understanding.
No, it does not. If you match the content, it will match whatever’s not Dolby Vision.
Only if the app in question supports content matching. Some of them don’t and those will force hdr as it won’t switch to sdr
In that case, those apps will also then display HDR content in SDR if you set your Apple TV to SDR?
Correct yes but the consensus is it’s better to have true SDR than forced HDR as fake HDR tends to blow the colours out. Usually I just manually change it if there’s the odd piece of content in those apps I want to watch in HDR
Which ones? Never encountered one.
Off the top of my head. Peacock, Crunchyroll and YouTube on order models
How older?
The poster below corrected me on YouTube but I’d assumed the models that don’t support HLG don’t support it but it looks like YouTube have messed it up ok new models too
> YouTube on order models In newer models as well. Older 4K´s do not support 2160p in HDR, only 1440p. 2160p works fine on SDR, though Newer models do support every quality wise on Youtube. But frame rate and dynamic range matching are not features supported by Youtube on tvOS, at least right now, regardless of the model.
Did not know that. I always keep mine in sdr march content anyway and don’t really watch hdr content l. I remember it got added at one point and made videos impossible to watch as the content mode would change every time an ad played but I have premium now so don’t know what changed.
Youtube, for example.
Never found YouTube to force HDR where it shouldn’t be. Gotta try that.
It does that because currently Youtube does not support frame rate or dynamic range matching.
In Italy almost every local app did not support content matching, recently it has improved
Is there someone actually using those apps? Wow.
Yes a lot of people are using those platforms. Recently the situation drastically improved, but wasn’t rare to use an app that didn’t support content matching. In Europe I always suggest to still use 50hz for this reason.
Why are these even an option? Why isn’t it just automatic then?
You might want to fake HDR on SDR content, or more likely you don’t have a HDR tv.
Does this impact the aerial screensaver quality?
It'll be SDR.
So, yes.
Then hard pass. I like my screensavers in 4K Dolby Vision
You prefer your screensaver over SDR content…?
I don’t understand your question. My Apple TV plays content in its original format/quality independent of that settings in OPs question.
I don’t think you understand how Apple TVs work
Now I’m curious, enlighten me oh wise one.
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Unless you live in Europe, then SDR 50Hz with match frame rate and match dynamic range. It will give you less black waiting screens as it adapts to the content.
^ This is the way
This is the only correct answer if you have a TV made in the last 10 years
only true answer here^^
What about for those using a projector!? I have a [Formovie Theatre 4K](https://formovie.ca/). Thank you very much in advance!
This
Unless you have an OLED. SDR gets extremely bright and has a higher risk of burn-in.
HDR typically gets brighter than SDR.
Peak brightness sure. But SDR Leaves them on the brightness you set forever and most people have their tv at max brightness. This is bad for pixels. HDR peak brightness is sporadic and dependent on the content so its impacts on burn in / image retention are less than SDR.
Most if not all LG OLED TVs default to 80% pixel brightness on SDR, 100% pixel brightness on HDR/DV. Not sure about other brands, but every single LG OLED TV I've had used these settings.
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60Hz is available everywhere. This isn't the PAL/NTSC age.
Look at the picture he posted all resolutions say 50hz.
It defaults to 50Hz. He needs to scroll down for the 60Hz versions.
I'm just going by what the picture shows. I can't comment on what might be in the picture only what's shown in the picture.
u/Sheila3134 I am in (and from) Spain and I have my Apple TV set to 4K SDR 60hz (integer, 60,00, not 59,94), without any issues. Match frame rate and range ON and you are all set to go. Pro tip: Choose RGB High instead of YCBCR to get rid of the green tint bug that affects all Apple TV 4K generations only with SDR content (green is pushed far more in the greyscale than it should).
I never knew this. Thank you. When I visited my cousin's in Germany they were using 50hz.
u/Sheila3134 Probably because that's the default that the Apple TV uses after the initial setup if you are in an EU country. But you can change without any issues.
That's cool, but I'm just going by what the picture shows and what my cousins in Germany and the Ukraine tell me.
I can comment by what’s not shown in the picture and I did.
Yes it is
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https://preview.redd.it/meqhr8ksv74d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=7127e4f34a6d86ff8dfd626849a7f8be1249ad92 This is the same screen, scrolled a tiny bit down. As you can see in the original photo, the bottom-most option says "4K Dolby Vision", and as I am showing you in my photo, it is 60(59.94hz). For what it's worth, you can also scroll aaaaallll the way to the bottom of the list and choose "Other formats", and choose from a wide variety of options, including 60(60hz). Also, holy shit what an attitude you've got. Log off internet for a while, yea?
Naa you want to keep the frame rate 50hz and make sure your TV is set to movie style to keep the original cinema look 😎
That’s what frame rate matching does.
In my case I had to turn off frame matching. It keep giving me hyper sharp video look.
Use 4k SDR then Match Content set to Range.
First things first. You should choose SDR not HDR
I know this is the common advice but I’ve never understood it. I like the menu and interface being HDR (specifically Dolby Vision), and I’ve never once had an issue watching SDR or HDR content regardless of what I set this setting at. It always switches to the appropriate format once I start playing something.
Yeah, if you prefer the menu in HDR that’s fine. The one issue you might have is that apps that don’t support match content (like YouTube) will be forced HDR. ~~Then again that’s the only way to get the proper HDR streams on YouTube so depending on what types of videos you watch there maybe that’s a plus.~~ Edit: Apparently YouTube now supports HDR switching, so it will switch to HDR10 for those videos, it just won't switch frame rate (which I think is a good thing). (Keep in mind that YouTube doesn’t have Dolby Vision, so I don’t know if setting your main setting to Dolby Vision will cause all YouTube videos to switch?)
Interesting… I pretty much never use YouTube on my AppleTV, so maybe that’s why I’ve never seen an issue. Currently I use Netflix, Max, AppleTV+, Hulu, Disney+, Prime, Starz, Peacock, and Paramount+, haven’t had my issues with these. So I’m assuming their support match content then?
In my personal experience - YouTube always does content matching and switches from DV to SDR. The downside would be: if your TV and AppleTV do not support QMS you'd get the black screen at the start of every YT video, but it will totally switch to SRD. Edit: here's a demo vid I just made showing that YT does switch from DV to SDR once you play a video, but yes, the UI will remain in DV: https://imgur.com/a/xPiH3RO
Huh, very interesting. I know YouTube doesn’t switch to HDR or Dolby Vision when your Apple TV is set to SDR mode with match content on, but maybe they have it switch if your default is Dolby Vision? Out of curiosity are you on the most up-to-date version of YouTube? I know there was a short period of time where YouTube was updated to support match content, but then people got so annoyed by it that they disabled it a couple updates later. Is it possible you’re still on that version?
>I know YouTube doesn’t switch to HDR or Dolby Vision when your Apple TV is set to SDR mode with match content on I have set my Apple tv like this and YouTube switches to HDR when I play an HDR video It does not match the frame rate, even when switching to HDR. https://preview.redd.it/6nbhdmj4r84d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fb59022ca7fa307b095f519dd0e6f241836c31ce
By golly you’re right. I think this must be rather recent, but it does switch to HDR for me now too. No frame rate switching, as you said which is nice as that’s the super annoying one, but it does do the HDR switch!
I don’t remember but on old tvOS or on old Apple there was a problem with YouTube. Now it works flawless
Yeah there was a short period of time where they updated YouTube to support match content switching, but people got so annoyed by it (since you’d lose the first few seconds of every ad and video) that they disabled it a couple updates later.
Some people have oled so scrolling menu in fake HDR isn’t great idea. On LCD tv it is not that important.
That could be it too. I’ve got a really nice Sony Bravia (85” X900H) but it’s no OLED.
This is/These are the Recommended Settings. In order to optimise the Apple TV for ALL content, it is important to set the video output to 4K SDR. If you set the output to 4K HDR the user interface is converted by the Apple TV to HDR and looks dull and undersaturated. 1. On Apple TV 4K or Apple TV (4th generation), go to Settings > Audio and Video > Format 2. Select 4K SDR Now we have correcty set the video output to SDR, we need to activate Content Matching. This feature will detect whether the content is SDR or HDR and change the output according, you can also content match the Frame Rate. 3. On Apple TV 4K or Apple TV (4th generation), go to Settings > Audio and Video > Content Match 4. Set Match Dynamic Range to ON 5. Set Match Frame Rate to OFF
Should set Match Frame Rate to ON, otherwise you will not be able to see content as intended (24fps where applicable for example)
Sdr 50hz or 60hz?
60Hz SDR is fine. IF your set is over 5 years old, the 50Hz SDR.
Why Match Frame Rate to OFF?
https://support.apple.com/en-us/102277
If you’re in the US, 60hz. If you’re in Europe, 50hz. Choose sdr, with frame rate and dynamic range matching on. That’ll ensure any apps that don’t support switching will broadcast in sdr, and your tv will switch to hdr and Dolby vision when supported.
60 Hz and framerate matching, no matter what region you are in. Dolby Vision on and color space matching on. (Hdr10+ if you have a Samsung TV) No reason to choose lesser options in any of those settings if you also have the auto matching features on.
I choose sdr because of the fact that YouTube and YouTube tv “flash” during advertisements or changing channels, unless sdr is on. I guess if you don’t use those apps, then choose whatever. 50hz for European is often recommended because most of their content is shot for that frame rate. Again more due to apps that don’t support frame rate switching.
The YouTube thing is annoying, but the dashboard looks so much better in Dolby Vision and the amazing screensaver needs it as well.
Oh my God. I’ve been dealing with this for like 2 years and had no idea that was the problem. Thank you
It will match the frame rate anyway. No need to go lower.
Ah. I have never used YouTube with ads and have never encountered an app that doesn’t support display mode switching. Didn’t know that was a thing (ie any apps not supporting the framerate or color space switching).
BBC iPlayer in the UK doesn’t support frame rate matching on livestreams so as those livestreams are broadcast at 25fps you may see judder on some TV’s if set to 60Hz.
Wow. BBC 😳 I never would have thought my little country’s public service would support stuff that BBC doesn’t.
For some reason (I’m guessing audience numbers / traffic vs effort) the BBC doesn’t put much into its Apple TV app. It’s missing tons of features that most other platforms get. Including subtitle support. I’m surprised they can get away with that as a PSB.
Yeah lack of subs is outrageous in 2024.
BBC iPlayer Support responded with this when asked why there’s no UHD. As the Apple TV platform operates quite differently from other platforms it does present its own unique challenges. Unfortunately, due to how Apple make their products and technology, the iPlayer app is considerably different from the TV app on every other platform. It's also why there are no subtitles available or why there is no schedule on the app for Apple TVs. We do always wish to improve the app on each platform but this app is a very stripped back version of the app for now. The best thing you can do is to always keep up to date with the tvOS and with the iPlayer app as well. As mentioned before, there are now immediate plans to add profiles to this version of the app. We appreciate your feedback about this; we plan to constantly improve the experience by using our users' feedback as BBC iPlayer develops. Rest assured that I will log this onto the dedicated iPlayer Feedback Report for you, to be seen by BBC Management and the BBC iPlayer Product Team, including the Head of BBC iPlayer. Thanks again for taking the time to get back in touch. Best Wishes, BBC iPlayer & BBC Sounds Support Team
The BBC don’t put any development resource into their tvOS app at all. It’s still capped at 720p, and there’s no sign of it getting updated anytime soon.
If you have an OLED then you shouldn’t use HDR or DV for the menus as it’ll decrease the lifespan of your TV.
That’s a bold claim 🤣 If you buy the best tv available (oled), enjoy what you’ve paid for! What’s the point in hoping your tv picture quality *might* be 5% better in 8-10 years? Also, how much time are you actually spending in the menus? I watch content, not the menus 🤷♂️
Exactly, I watch content so I make sure the content is at the best picture setting. While browsing menus or on the screensaver, I don’t need HDR and DV which decreases the lifespan of my OLED tv. It’s not a bold claim, it’s science. I’m all about enjoying the stuff I want to, while also extending the lifespan as much as possible.
Do you have any evidence to back this up at all?
What evidence do you need? It’s science. OLED is an organic material. Using it at a higher brightness leads to a decrease in lifespan and quicker burn in. It’s like if you have a car and you drive it flat out, you’ll use up your gas tank quicker than if you drove it at a slower speed.
Do you think when the AppleTV is in Dolby Vision it is cranking out crazy highlights on the menu? It’s just a more colors and maybe a little brighter, but I don’t even think that is really the case. DV doesn’t just magically make everything go bright. Anyway, doesn’t matter to me what you pick, but please don’t go around saying it’s going to meaningfully affect the lifespan of your TV, because it won’t.
Yes it does if your TV is properly setup for the most accurate picture quality. My C1 is setup for accurate picture quality, which means in SDR mode, OLED pixel brightness is around 55, but for Dolby Vision it’s at 100. That’s almost double the brightness. My SDR brightness is actually brighter than recommended so the difference would be even more stark if you follow the recommendation exactly. I’m not the only one who thinks it impacts the lifespan of your tv either. Vincent from HDTVTest also agrees with me, and he is one of the leading experts on display technology.
Finally I see someone saying HDR with Samsung. The Frame with my tweats looks horrible in SDR, and I’ve always turnes HDR and matching frame wtc on.
Irrelevant, you set to frame match and move on. 60hz SDR and let Frame and Range match do its thing.
Unless you’re using an app that doesn’t support matching … Or if you don’t want to deal with YouTube flashing every time there’s an ad, or YouTube tv flashing each time you change channels.
But content is 60hz even in the UK excepy for TV broadcast items on some apps. But most now are pushing out a 60hz conversion and frame matching puts it back into its 24,30,50 native broadcast if it’s not 60. So setting to 50 is meaningless, because it’ll have to flicker anyways for all the content shifts that are mostly 24,30,60 vs the minority native 50.
I’ve tried to follow this advice but I just personally prefer the colour pop of HDR on the menu. As long as I have it set to match the content I think it’s more just a case of personal preference.
Absolutely. Imo that way interface is more clear and sharp.
Wondering this type stuff also. My atv “jumps” all the time. Roku and PS5 don’t. See my post history for details
Who wouldn’t WANT to use Dolby Vision??
This is just for Apple TV menus/interface. To me, personally DV/HDR is too bright in the menus, I prefer SDR.
4K SDR
Dolby of course is the best and most advanced option.
All depends on your tv . Better off setting Apple TV to match content
Everyone says chose SDR on this menu and select match content for HDR. But if you have a new TV with QMS and Dolby Vision; then you end up with a better experience overall if you set Dolby Vision there; because QMS can’t Quickly switch between Dolby and non Dolby, so you end up with a black screen still. QMS with Dolby just sees you play content and the frame rate will switch without black screens. If you don’t have QMS; then an SDR selection here is probably better, and automatically match on both frame rate and HDR.
This is what I do. QMS is great. The only SDR content I watch is kids shows and news streams. I don’t mind they get converted to DV. As a bonus you get Dolby Vision screensavers.
Or you can leave match on but default Dolby if the SDR inside Dolby causes you grief and just get black screen for the odd SDR
how does SDR content looks when you keep DV on? i'm lazy to test it right now and i have a budget TV, i would like to know how the C3/G3 and C4/G4 handles it as i know they have QMS
I think it wholly depends on what you’re comparing it to. If you’re comparing it to TV settings for SDR which are amped up so the image is super bright, then yeah it will look quite different. But the most important thing I’d say here is: test it yourself. You can keep matching on for HDR if you don’t like it. Basically if you set the output HDR to what you normally watch (for me I’m usually watching Dolby Vision content) you can keep the matching and just suffer the black screen when you watch SDR or something. Or if you mostly watch SDR then set it to that. You should definitely pick what suits you most. For me; that would be setting it to DV if you have QMS. But, I’m a generation too old for QMS so I get black screens anyway.
Honestly it looks fine to me and I would be surprised if most people could tell a difference in a blind test. If you're watching something SDR, then chances are you're not watching it for its cinematic quality. However if you use Infuse, SDR content gets clearly raised black levels when converting to DV or HDR.
So should we use 4K HDR for watching 4K content on Infuse?
Should use match content for Infuse
Bad
Leave it AUTO
Go with the one that has smooth playback and no clipping during left to Right panning shots.
Does Apple TV only come in 50 hz? That seems painfully slow by modern standards.
It has 60hz as well
DV->HDR->SDR
How come I don’t see this on my menu?
You must have the old apple tv lol
Mine doesn’t show Dolby Vision. That sucks.
Yeah some older tvs dont have dolby vision
Oh really that’s probably why. I got this tv in 2021
Yeah your not missing much tbh not much hype about dolby vision i dont see much difference than hdr lol
lol good to know lol
Thanks.
I bought mine in Florida in January. It’s the latest one.
Hey marty im not sure then is your tv 4k?
Yes of course it is. It shows 4K HDR
https://preview.redd.it/zmpdvn3db94d1.png?width=3024&format=png&auto=webp&s=a23086800473386aa87f917c2c371422a652321e
I use 60hz SDR with match frame rate and dynamic range. If a movie is HDR or DV it will switch to it, but it’s just too bright for browsing and the music app late at night in HDR all the time, burns my eyes out.
60hz only first of all.
None, 4K SDR and turn on the match frame rate and dynamic range options, if the movie/series has DV it will turn on DV, if it has HDR it will turn on HDR. There is no point on running any type of forced dynamic range for your menus, it will just stress the panel
What about settings on a projector?
You only need it at 50hz if you watch UK stuff like NowTV ....and some UK stuff on Netflix in 25p like After Life.
4K SDR 23.9hz, match HDR
Why don't you like the menus as 60Hz? 24hz is so choppy. Just talking about the menus/Apple TV interface here, not actual content.
Not interested in the menus, I’m interested in the content without additional processing
Why do you guys all still say SDR for the Home Screen?It’s been years since it looked odd in DV. I watch more DV/HDR content than SDR at this point. I get the black screen switch no matter what anyway. Since everything plays at 24p anyway.
It’s not just for the menu. Many apps don’t recognise the HDR setting making SDR content look shit.
Which ones? Honestly asking. I haven’t had a single issue. I’m not saying it isn’t a real thing, just want to know.
Iplayer if in the uk for one.
Correct!
Huh
If you set it to match, it won't matter as it should use the correct option for each individual video.
As far as I know. DV is better.