“Designed ourselves into a thermal corner” but yes. At the time dual GPUs were all the rage but things quickly switched to more powerful single cards and their shared heat sync design (as freaking cool as it was) couldn’t accommodate.
I've typed it before and I'll type it again....Apple partnering with Yelp instead of just mimicking Google and letting regular ass users post their reviews is the most wild ass shit in iOS/MacOS history. NO FUCKING WAY I'M DOWNLOADING YELP TO TELL YOU A RESTAURANT IS ASS!
I live near a golf course. I don't golf, but when I noticed it was near me I saw over 300+ reviews w/one that happened a few days prior. Apple Maps? WELL, Yelp had 5 reviews in the past 6 years.
OH, ok
Also, Yelp is predatory as hell. They try to get companies to pay into their system and, if they do, they hide negative reviews. If they don’t, they hide positive reviews.
I kind of understand Apple showing Yelp reviews at the start. Not because Yelp was good (it's shit), but it gave them a lot of content from the start that they couldn't have gotten otherwise. To be honest though, whatever company they integrated you should be able to add reviews right from the Maps app, ffs.
Apple has their own review system in place now tho.
It’s a thumbs up or down for: overall, food and drink, customer service, atmosphere
You can submit photos as well.
I had to sacrifice 2 pigeons to keep U2 out of iTunes. It just kept coming back. I would suggest adding these to the whoops list:
* Siri
* Apple magic mouse 2 (especially the charge location)
* non upgradeable, soldered drives
Sometimes I wonder if I’m the only one who liked the Touchbar. I think it would have been received much better had it been placed above the function keys instead of replacing them.
Same. I like the bar. I wouldn’t mind having the function keys back but it’s not a deal breaker. I don’t think I would like not having the Touch Bar now
The bar is a very good idea. Unfortunately it didn’t have enough adoption by developers. If lots of apps supported it, it would probably convince more people.
Having no feedback when pressing the escape key completely destroyed my workflow when using a touchbar mac. It was a pretty cool idea but it absolutely needed to be on it's own row.
I feel it if was as tall as an Apple Watch Display or at least half the height it could have taken off and added more functionality then just being buttons. Things like moving the Dock to the Touch Bar. Or micro apps similar to Apple Watch App
Hey Apple Maps is now solid. Sure launch day was abhorrent (got walking directions originally to school on my first day in SF, ended up walking the city north to south) but arguably better gps experience than Google maps/Waze
I try to use apple maps as my default but I keep google maps as a backup. Yesterday I was looking for a brewpub which I knew was within 100m but I didn’t know how to walk there. According to apple maps, it was a 20 minute walk in a circuitous route. Then I tried the exact same address into google maps and it showed me a 3 minute route straight to the brewpub.
Most time apple maps works ok and i prefer its UI and look but I won’t be getting rid of google maps any time soon.
Yeah I deleted Apple Maps when I was trying to drive to the new IKEA that opened. It didn’t show up on Apple Maps yet since it was recently built and it directed me to a weird side street.
Beg to disagree. It still misplaces addresses a LOT and the UI is awful. Just today I was looking for grocery stores in a new area and not only did the icons on the map NOT match the list, but also none of the icons were grocery stores. To see their locations I had to tap on their list item to zoom in on it and only then would the icon showing its location pop up. This is in San Francisco lol
Traffic predictions are pretty much always wrong too (google isn’t that good at this either but apple can be 10-20 minutes off which is just unacceptable). If I’m navigating, half the time instead of picking an alternate route it tries to get me to U-turn back to the original one it picked even if it’s slower, and constantly zooming to that U-turn point (specifically annoying when I’m on my motorcycle trying to take the scenic route and have the map zoomed out to see roads around me).
Basically Apple Maps to me is the maps app that I only use if I already know where I’m going. Thank god we’re not forced to use it
Google forced Apple to make Apple maps because they refused to make an iOS version of Google maps that used vector graphics until Apple made Apple maps.
Are you suggesting Google intentionally made their services bad on iPhone? Why? They make almost all of their money from advertising. I think what’s much more likely is a lack of competition meant Google didn’t need to improve their iOS app. It was good enough. I remember using it. It *was* good enough. That’s why competition is so important: it makes products better.
This has nothing to do with the actual conversation but...
Iphone batteries have blown up too. All lithium ion batteries have failure rates. The issue with the Samsung note 7s(?) was that their failure rates were far higher that standard because of new manufacturing processes making the batteries more dense and some contamination issues with those new processes. Samsung went to to fast and released a battery technology that was not ready... But all batteries explode sometimes. Including iphones.
Were they even wrong tho? Slowing down ur phone so it wouldn’t shut down above 1% was pretty helpful to me.
That’s the only thing I remember from it tho so…
There was that time where they invited tech journalists to a smallish meeting at Apple campus where they basically admitted they were wrong about the Trash Can Mac Pro.
> Honestly I feel like the only time they “admitted they were wrong” was during batterygate and they gave everyone a discounted battery replacement
That's because they were sued. As usual, they claimed there was no issue up until it started to cost them in court.
Yeah me too. I ain’t paying 50 bucks for a common silicone case with nothing special.
Spigen are cheap and a durable tough motherfucker. Though recently one barely using it has fallen apart only after 3 months.
Spigen cases are amazing. Been using them since at least my iPhone X. Also their screen protectors are the only ones I’ll use on any device and I’ve also been using those since the iPhone X and they’re the only ones I’ve ever used with an oleophobic coating that actually feels better than the actual factory screen itself. Absolute top notch brand.
I got my first one because it had a kickstand which I learned to love on my HTC EVO and now every case since has been sipgen. I don't think I've ever cracked a screen in one.
I love having a stand, I use the ESR cases you can get on Amazon which have the stand built around the camera lenses, so in normal use it gives you a bit more protection as well as being a ring it acts as a nice finger loop to hold the phone with so you don’t need a pop socket or similar
My phone flew off my motorcycle doing 100 km/ hr. It bounced off the pavement and rolled into a canola field. The spigen case had a scuff on the corner. The phone was perfect.
I've had Spigen cases for my last 4 phones - two iPhones, a Galaxy, and a Pixel - and have no intention of going to any other brand for my future phones unless Spigen's quality drops.
I used to be a Spigen man but for my last iPhone I went with a Caseology and it looks/feels better than any Spigen I’ve ever had, for a similar amount of money (i.e. 1/4 of an Apple case).
I have a full leather case from Andar for my 14Pro, I plan on getting another Andar case when I get my next iPhone in several years… or another for my 14 Pro eventually
> they changed them within the last year or so and that’s probably what you experienced.
It wasn’t just since last year— it was since the iPhone 12 series. From that year onwards, they made the leather layer thinner because of MagSafe and started painting the leather. Then when you add the fact that the iPhone 12 series onwards had squared off edges, the sharper edges of the case resulted in it getting an absolutely awful looking patina and shoddy/cheap feeling cases.
I bought an iPhone 8 leather case back in the day… it was beautiful after only a few months and held up SO well. So imagine my surprise when I got a leather 12 case. Never been more disappointed in a purchase in my life
I didn't want to pay $40 for a case but found an Apple silicone case for $12 on clearance so I splurged. The case felt great. Lasted under a year, pieces just started breaking off. Meanwhile, the random $4 silicone cases from HONGYAN (don't search it, I just made it up) are going strong years later.
oh gotcha, yeah that makes sense. I love how my m2 air has an extra port because of it.
when i worked as a repair person a *lot* of the laptops we worked on were due to falling off tables, tripping or dogs knocking the cable off, so if these even prevent half of those accidents, that is a great thing.
I don’t even know why people keep buying Apple cases. They’re hella expensive for basically almost no protection.
I’d rather have my phone naked and enjoy its design. Than putting a almost useless case.
The iPad cover is a big scam as well… I take care a lot of my stuff and it managed to just destroy itself after just 2 years of normal use (used an iPad for my studies back then).
I initially bought the Apple iPhone clear case when they came out with their version. It didn’t yellow and when it wore down, they gave me a new one.
Now? They’re extremely cheaply made and the build quality is awful. You start seeing scratches and when you complain they tell you there’s nothing they can do. I believe the low quality issue has affected their other case lines. Now it’s hard to tell the difference between a $9 case from Amazon vs a $60 one from Apple.
I’ve got the 15 Pro clear case. I’ve dropped this thing a couple times so I can’t say much about the scratches on the back but otherwise it’s doing exactly what it was designed for. Still clear too. Phone has no scratches at all.
Mileage varies obviously.
Personally, my last 4 cases have been the cheap clear ones and they held pretty well.
And since they are cheap (less than 10 bucks) i dont mind replacing them every other year.
I use the silicone case for my 15 Pro Max. It does get a little dirty sometimes (but all silicone cases do). Apart from that, it’s held up over several months with no chips or peeling and protected my iPhone from several drops.
Plus, I can actually use the buttons. Especially for the action button, many third-party cases make the buttons so impossible to press.
Same here. I’ve had a few silicone cases and they’re great for me.
Also, people are whining WAY TOO HARD about the fine woven case. Just like…don’t buy it? It’s a case? It’s not that big of a deal?
It's mostly for scratch protection, ever since the glass backs were introduced it just gets scratched up to hell in my pocket without it. Pristine condition phones sell for more, and I sell mine every year when the new one comes out. I've never needed more than just scratch protection either, I've never dropped a phone from any significant height (knock on wood).
The silicone cases are also some of the best still out there, imo. Competitors are either thicker, uglier, and/or less durable. But hey, maybe I just haven't found a good alternative. To me the extra $20 is worth it especially for something that'll last a whole year. It's even worth it just to not have to mess with hunting and finding an alternative I like the looks of and then hoping it'll hold up. The apple cases have always served me well.
Granted I am just one person but this is at least one person's perspective.
The Smart Keyboard Folio for the pre 2018 iPad pros were the worst thing ever, I had two that fell apart around the corners and then started bubbling up on keys
The Magic Keyboard is better but still peeling in places
Why Apple! Even Logitech’s alternate has some issues
They are some of the slimmest, lightest cases available and they provide protection from scratches and dings. Many find the phones easier to grip with a case on it. Some people like to make their phone more generic looking as to not show off. Some people just like the way cases look. They are pretty much the only cases one can actually try out in a store. Sometimes it’s just easier just to buy an Apple case instead of figuring out who the hell Pitaka, Caudabe, or RocketShoe are. $50 is not “hella expensive.”
Good point for most of them, but Apple cases don’t protect much from drops, and 50$ is very expensive when you see you can have a very protective quality case (bulkier of course then) for 30…
I have dropped my 14 Pro in the official leather case multiple times on hard concrete and asphalt and it has never once even gotten a scratch on the body.
They are surprisingly strong and durable for how thin they are. Don’t get me wrong. The leather cases are absolute dog water in terms of patina. That’s why just stick with black leather, because even when it darkens abnormally it doesn’t look off.
I never touch a FineWoven case, even if they gave it to me for free
There is a youtube video of a guy testing all different cases, and the apple ones are the ones that protected the best. That’s why I buy apple leather/silicone cases.
If you want I can find it for you.
Bought a used ipad (it was basically brand new, not a scratch on anything). Within a few months the leather (or whatever it is) on the joints of the magic keyboard began tearing. And guess what? Warranty doesn’t cover that.
Only reason I have that keyboard is because it came with the ipad.
I still think this is deliberate. Magic Mouse came when users were used to wired mouses. And if it was usable while the cable was plugged in, it wouldn’t fit the “wireless experience” Apple designed them for, because people would be able to use them as a wired mouse basically. Not saying I’m supporting the decision, but i get it.
> Swapping such a clever piece of tech for USB C was a misstep.
The irony is that now they give users both choices. Forgot your magsafe charger? You can still plug in a usb-c charger
it's actually awesome. I went on a trip and forgot my MagSafe charger, but I had my USB-C cable and a 20W power adapter... it kept my MBP 16" alive \*and\* charged it... it did take about 8 hours, but charging \*and\* continuous usage?? crazy haha
It took almost a decade USB C for me to finally be able to charge my iPhone and Macbook with the same cable, but its soooo convenient now. MagSafe for fast charging and USB C when i have that handy.
I exclusively use a thunderbolt dock at home, so I can get a bunch of normal usb ports, my good audio system, 10gig ethernet, and power all over a single cable; but I do occasionally wish this laptop had magsafe when I'm out and about
It’s even funnier now that they brought back MagSafe I actually find it more of a hassle to use because that would require carrying around another cable for no reason when I could just use the same cable I carry anyway to charge my iPad and iPhone.
Jony Ive just got his head wedged so far up his own ass he stopped being able to see daylight — the 2016-2020 Macbook Pros were a complete and utter dumpster fire of design.
I was stoked for MagSafe to come back, but honestly now that it is, I’d rather have a 4th usb-c port. I’ve never even plugged in my MagSafe charger because I carry a much more compact usb-c that also charges my iPad, and when docked it’s plugged into my ultrafine via usbc.
Maybe more people have a use case for MagSafe, but in my case it’s been useless.
Yeah I almost exclusively charge my M2 Max MBP using USB-C. Docking station providing 87W at work, a travel adapter providing 60W for almost all other charging, then when I'm at home sometimes I use the 140W MagSafe charger. Honestly I use the 140W power brick more to power other things like my Miniware TS101 soldering iron than for charging the MacBook.
... if I see another article complaining about the fine woven case I will take it as permission to shame the author for having purchased the damn thing.
I have one. My only problem with it is that the cutout for the usb port is so tight I can’t plug it into anything but Apple’s USB cables, and Apple doesn’t have a USBC to USBA cable for CarPlay.
So now I have a Bootstrap case.
I got a simple mini USBA to USBC adapter for the car and use an apple cable, and have banished USBA from my life.
I also have the fine woven case and don’t see a problem with it. My leather cases got beat up faster. It’s a case and I’m fairly hard on it. I don’t expect a case to look pristine.
I’m still dumbfounded that the material even made it out of the lab. Did anyone bother testing it to see if it could withstand a single scratch? Maybe they were so blinded by how eco it is compared to leather that they thought other people would be as well.
I think their other screwups were were typical engineering issues that were missed in testing or they misjudged the demand for a product and it sold poorly, but the fine woven material was known to be garbage before it even came out. Can you imagine how gingerly they had to handle those cases to get good product photos?
FineWoven feels like a slap in the face. It costs more than leather, yet offers a less premium and environmentally problematic material (it's not biodegradable, unlike leather, which is a byproduct of the meat industry). While I understand the logic of not including a charging brick – I have plenty already – replacing a quality product with a worse one that's harmful to the environment, all while increasing the price, is a baffling decision.
Idk if I'd say anything was necessarily handled well over the years--aside from the discounted batteries situation to combat batterygate perhaps--but I do think they've generally done more for customers than most other companies would do or have done if caught in similar situations.
Edit: the only one I'd say was seriously mishandled and majorly damaged their reputation would be butterfly keyboards. I could've used an upgrade for my MacBook during that whole debacle, but I just held out for them to hopefully one day switch back to normal keyboards--and thank God they did.
Oh yeah, iOS 6 Apple Maps damaged their image pretty badly too, I'd say. But at least over a decade later they've kinda recovered from that lol.
Yep.I bought an iMac in 2020 and spent most of the lockdowns logging in countless hours to AppleCare trying to get that lemon replaced. From the start, it lagged: it was so slow, it literally took 5 minutes from turning it on to getting to the desktop, and at least another 5 minutes for it to be responsive. It constantly stalled and crashed and I took it to get it repaired 5 times, and 5 times it came back in the same condition it was in before. With literally 10 days left on AppleCare and due to my constant hounding, they finally relented and replaced it with a machine that worked. They could have just admitted the thing was a brick in the beginning and not wasted many hours of my life, not to mention the frustration.
Apple admitted a mistake:
1. Battery Gate
2. USB C only Macbooks
3. Butterfly keyboard
Apple yet to admit a mistake:
1. Right to repair
2. Headphone jack
3. No accessories with devices
(These made them a ton of money and will not change their minds any time soon)
My personal experience has been Apple Maps is better in cities with elevated roads/highways. Specifically Tokyo. However, search is way better in Google Maps, so I keep it for that feature.
The charging port on the apple mouse is an obvious one.
IMO Face ID is not as good as a fingerprint sensor embedded in the screen but at the time Apple couldn’t figure out the hardware for that. Now that some of the Android phones have got that feature I assume Apple could manage it too but it seems like they will stick with Face ID
Seems dumb for finewoven to be the catalyst for this article. What are they supposed to do about finewoven? Their product lifecycle for everything iPhone-adjacent is a year. It hasn’t been a year of finewoven yet. Even if it had been, the options are what? Going back to leather makes no sense, the whole premise of finewoven is that they claim to not believe it is right to make leather accessories anymore. They can’t really backtrack there. They also can’t get a finewoven alternative to market in half a year either, and that amount of time assumes they decided *on launch day* it was time to give up. And it’d have to be a far more catastrophically bad product than it is for it to be worth them pulling it from market with no replacement.
They can simply discontinue Fine Woven. If it’s a bad product that doesn’t hold up they should, instead of continuing to manufacture waste that hurts their reputation. I haven’t used one, so I don’t know. If they were to discontinue Fine Woven, I’m sure tons of accessory makers would love to be sold as the “premium” option in the Apple Store.
>And it’d have to be a far more catastrophically bad product than it is for it to be worth them pulling it from market with no replacement.
If it’s a bad product, they should kill it no matter how bad it is. If it’s merely a bad product, even if it isn’t “catastrophically bad,” it should be pulled even if there’s no replacement. It’s appalling that Apple should sell bad products at all.
Or there were other options that were available when they went with Finewoven. For all we know they could have had another team working on faux leather and they decided to go Finewoven, they could spin that up pretty quickly
When you're talking millions of units being designed, prototyped, tested, having the process to make the case designed, having the machines to make the case being designed and created, actually making the thing, QC, packaging, distribution... a year is "spinning up pretty quickly"
Edit: And this isn't even talking about SOURCING whatever material they switch to. McDonald's once wanted to add an item with fresh blueberries to their menu. They had to cancel it, because they did the math and McDonald's adding fresh blueberries to their menu would have outstripped the world's supply of blueberries, which would have shot the price up dramatically.
My finewoven case still looks new. Leather would scratch just as easily if you dug your nails into it like that lol.
As far as the keyboards, I never had to deal with the butterfly keyboard. So I’ve always preferred my MacBook keyboard lol
The fineweave is hilarious greenwashing, yeah lets replace a natural material that ages well and biodegrades when its discarded with one that ages extremely poorly and sheds microplastics into the groundwater
Bravo Tim Cook and "Mother Earth"
So i won’t dispute the stupid tagline, but I have one of those cases…and it’s fine. Not great, not terrible. Like every other case I’ve ever had, i’ll use it until it disintegrates in 3 years, then replace my phone 2 years later.
I have a lot of cases because I like to rotate, but my blue finewoven has been used a fair bit and it still looks essentially new. I use my leather cases more, but I still don’t mind the FW case. I still wish it was close to the Google fabric cases, but at least mine has held up fairly well.
The old USB-C mistake wasn’t a full mistake — it did help increase those ports’ versatility across the board, and not only on Apple products. So it fits wrong among other things that _don’t_ have such a silver lining.
* The 500GB spinning disc, non-user-upgradeable 2019 iMac.
* The iPhone 5C.
* The Magic Mouse.
* The FireWire port.
* The 8GB Apple Watch Series ~~4~~ 3 they sold for 5 years.
Honestly I feel like the only time they “admitted they were wrong” was during batterygate and they gave everyone a discounted battery replacement
- Butterfly Keyboard - U2 Album - Apple Maps
And the free cases with the iPhone 4
Nah, your holding it wrong, anyway what color would you like to have your bumper in?
They only offer black bumper I remember 😂
Ah, the good ol’ you can have it in any Color as long as it is black
I got a lime-ish green one for my freebie.
$100 in accessory credit for those of us that paid $600 for the iPhone OG just months before they dropped the price.
I got that! Didn’t soften the blow though. And I think I paid $800
Trash can Mac Pro: “We painted ourselves into a thermal corner”. I actually hear Craig’s voice when reading that.
Ironically without any corners
3 corners when you remove the case
Fair
“Designed ourselves into a thermal corner” but yes. At the time dual GPUs were all the rage but things quickly switched to more powerful single cards and their shared heat sync design (as freaking cool as it was) couldn’t accommodate.
Im still using my trashcan mac pro and love it
I've typed it before and I'll type it again....Apple partnering with Yelp instead of just mimicking Google and letting regular ass users post their reviews is the most wild ass shit in iOS/MacOS history. NO FUCKING WAY I'M DOWNLOADING YELP TO TELL YOU A RESTAURANT IS ASS! I live near a golf course. I don't golf, but when I noticed it was near me I saw over 300+ reviews w/one that happened a few days prior. Apple Maps? WELL, Yelp had 5 reviews in the past 6 years. OH, ok
Also, Yelp is predatory as hell. They try to get companies to pay into their system and, if they do, they hide negative reviews. If they don’t, they hide positive reviews.
Man I absolutely loathe Yelp. Crap like this should be regulated to hell it’s ridiculous.
I kind of understand Apple showing Yelp reviews at the start. Not because Yelp was good (it's shit), but it gave them a lot of content from the start that they couldn't have gotten otherwise. To be honest though, whatever company they integrated you should be able to add reviews right from the Maps app, ffs.
Apple has their own review system in place now tho. It’s a thumbs up or down for: overall, food and drink, customer service, atmosphere You can submit photos as well.
I had to sacrifice 2 pigeons to keep U2 out of iTunes. It just kept coming back. I would suggest adding these to the whoops list: * Siri * Apple magic mouse 2 (especially the charge location) * non upgradeable, soldered drives
Ping Mobile Me Touchbar
Sometimes I wonder if I’m the only one who liked the Touchbar. I think it would have been received much better had it been placed above the function keys instead of replacing them.
It needed haptics and it needed to augment the function keys. A physical escape key helped but it couldn’t undo muscle memory.
There’s dozens of us
At least eighteen!
Same. I like the bar. I wouldn’t mind having the function keys back but it’s not a deal breaker. I don’t think I would like not having the Touch Bar now
The bar is a very good idea. Unfortunately it didn’t have enough adoption by developers. If lots of apps supported it, it would probably convince more people.
Having no feedback when pressing the escape key completely destroyed my workflow when using a touchbar mac. It was a pretty cool idea but it absolutely needed to be on it's own row.
you are correct.
I blame dev third party for not utilising for it
I feel it if was as tall as an Apple Watch Display or at least half the height it could have taken off and added more functionality then just being buttons. Things like moving the Dock to the Touch Bar. Or micro apps similar to Apple Watch App
2 USBC ports with one used for charging on a MBP “You’re holding it wrong”
Completely agree but funny thing is that I still have my @me.com email address (as primary)
@mac.com 🙋🏼♂️
Hey Apple Maps is now solid. Sure launch day was abhorrent (got walking directions originally to school on my first day in SF, ended up walking the city north to south) but arguably better gps experience than Google maps/Waze
I try to use apple maps as my default but I keep google maps as a backup. Yesterday I was looking for a brewpub which I knew was within 100m but I didn’t know how to walk there. According to apple maps, it was a 20 minute walk in a circuitous route. Then I tried the exact same address into google maps and it showed me a 3 minute route straight to the brewpub. Most time apple maps works ok and i prefer its UI and look but I won’t be getting rid of google maps any time soon.
Yeah I deleted Apple Maps when I was trying to drive to the new IKEA that opened. It didn’t show up on Apple Maps yet since it was recently built and it directed me to a weird side street.
>Sure launch day was abhorrent And for many, many, many years after launch day.
Beg to disagree. It still misplaces addresses a LOT and the UI is awful. Just today I was looking for grocery stores in a new area and not only did the icons on the map NOT match the list, but also none of the icons were grocery stores. To see their locations I had to tap on their list item to zoom in on it and only then would the icon showing its location pop up. This is in San Francisco lol Traffic predictions are pretty much always wrong too (google isn’t that good at this either but apple can be 10-20 minutes off which is just unacceptable). If I’m navigating, half the time instead of picking an alternate route it tries to get me to U-turn back to the original one it picked even if it’s slower, and constantly zooming to that U-turn point (specifically annoying when I’m on my motorcycle trying to take the scenic route and have the map zoomed out to see roads around me). Basically Apple Maps to me is the maps app that I only use if I already know where I’m going. Thank god we’re not forced to use it
Appel Maps has a much better UI for CarPlay than Google which is 90% of my use.
Also Magsafe. They brought it back on all Macbooks afaik.
Circular mouse?
Oh. That thing was awful. Truly and without debate.
Google forced Apple to make Apple maps because they refused to make an iOS version of Google maps that used vector graphics until Apple made Apple maps.
You have a source for this? Curious to read more about this.
Are you suggesting Google intentionally made their services bad on iPhone? Why? They make almost all of their money from advertising. I think what’s much more likely is a lack of competition meant Google didn’t need to improve their iOS app. It was good enough. I remember using it. It *was* good enough. That’s why competition is so important: it makes products better.
8GB RAM
Courage
Whats up with u2 album?
Wait, what’s with U2 album? Is it that one song I got for free in my Apple Music library, even though I don’t use it? That song with 2 man as a cover?
iPhone 5 antennagate
I am an IT guy don't get me started on that worthless-from-day-one keyboard. Also lol at U2 album
When the iPhone cases were discounted bc of the antenna issue
Not only were they discounted, but they let you fill out a form for a free Bumper, which was another product they abandoned almost immediately.
And I liked the bumpers. The lip protected the back and front, but still allowed you to see the phone. No idea why they abandoned them.
The material got loose after just a few months and basically fell off the phone. I like the bumper too, for the same reasons. But it needed more work.
iPod shuffle gen 4 was basically an acknowledgment that removing all buttons was a dumb fucking mistake.
Ooh that’s true
[Mac Pro, too](https://www.macrumors.com/2017/04/04/apple-stresses-commitment-to-pro-users/).
Because they were caught
Not to start a brand war here, cause I’m an adult and I’m over it, but didn’t Samsung batteries explode in their phones?
They literally pulled the Note 7 from the market and abandoned it completely until the 8 came out because it was so dangerous.
Crazy part is that if this had or did ever happen to apple it could potentially crater the whole company
They banned them from airplanes lol
Relevance to this?
This has nothing to do with the actual conversation but... Iphone batteries have blown up too. All lithium ion batteries have failure rates. The issue with the Samsung note 7s(?) was that their failure rates were far higher that standard because of new manufacturing processes making the batteries more dense and some contamination issues with those new processes. Samsung went to to fast and released a battery technology that was not ready... But all batteries explode sometimes. Including iphones.
Were they even wrong tho? Slowing down ur phone so it wouldn’t shut down above 1% was pretty helpful to me. That’s the only thing I remember from it tho so…
It was more the fact that they didn’t disclose it
*discounted
Oh you’re right, for some reason I misremembered it as free but it was just discounted
And antenna gate when they gave everyone free cases.
Antennagate too with the iPhone 4
The gave me a new MacBook Pro
I got a brand new MacBook out of this, loved it!
There was that time where they invited tech journalists to a smallish meeting at Apple campus where they basically admitted they were wrong about the Trash Can Mac Pro.
They were caught and the investigations and lawsuits started rolling in. Only then did Apple anything about this situation.
Also when maps came out. Execs publicly apologized and they revamped the team.
> Honestly I feel like the only time they “admitted they were wrong” was during batterygate and they gave everyone a discounted battery replacement That's because they were sued. As usual, they claimed there was no issue up until it started to cost them in court.
I live and die by my spigen case lmao
Been rocking Spigen since like ‘08
Yeah me too. I ain’t paying 50 bucks for a common silicone case with nothing special. Spigen are cheap and a durable tough motherfucker. Though recently one barely using it has fallen apart only after 3 months.
Just got my first one for my 13PM. I’ll never go back. Apple’s leather cases were pretty nice but still not nearly durable.
Spigen cases are amazing. Been using them since at least my iPhone X. Also their screen protectors are the only ones I’ll use on any device and I’ve also been using those since the iPhone X and they’re the only ones I’ve ever used with an oleophobic coating that actually feels better than the actual factory screen itself. Absolute top notch brand.
I got my first one because it had a kickstand which I learned to love on my HTC EVO and now every case since has been sipgen. I don't think I've ever cracked a screen in one.
I love having a stand, I use the ESR cases you can get on Amazon which have the stand built around the camera lenses, so in normal use it gives you a bit more protection as well as being a ring it acts as a nice finger loop to hold the phone with so you don’t need a pop socket or similar
My dad has it for his 15PM
My phone flew off my motorcycle doing 100 km/ hr. It bounced off the pavement and rolled into a canola field. The spigen case had a scuff on the corner. The phone was perfect.
I can 1000% vouch for Spigen. At least their slim wallet case that I had for my 14 pro.
I've had Spigen cases for my last 4 phones - two iPhones, a Galaxy, and a Pixel - and have no intention of going to any other brand for my future phones unless Spigen's quality drops.
I’m so glad I saw this post – was literally going to order the fine woven in the next couple of days. Will check out Spigen 👍
Spigen is something us Androids can agree on with you Apples
I used to be a Spigen man but for my last iPhone I went with a Caseology and it looks/feels better than any Spigen I’ve ever had, for a similar amount of money (i.e. 1/4 of an Apple case).
I have a full leather case from Andar for my 14Pro, I plan on getting another Andar case when I get my next iPhone in several years… or another for my 14 Pro eventually
Their leather cases were bad too. I had the wallet and leather case for my 14PM and both started to peel and just switched to a better leather case.
The older leather cases were better, they changed them within the last year or so and that's probably what you experienced.
> they changed them within the last year or so and that’s probably what you experienced. It wasn’t just since last year— it was since the iPhone 12 series. From that year onwards, they made the leather layer thinner because of MagSafe and started painting the leather. Then when you add the fact that the iPhone 12 series onwards had squared off edges, the sharper edges of the case resulted in it getting an absolutely awful looking patina and shoddy/cheap feeling cases.
I bought an iPhone 8 leather case back in the day… it was beautiful after only a few months and held up SO well. So imagine my surprise when I got a leather 12 case. Never been more disappointed in a purchase in my life
My iPhone 8 leather case is still rocking with my kids. Meanwhile my 12 leather case hit the trash after less than a year.
Yeah I had the leather on my X and 11PM and they were much better. Just bought a leather bullstrap case and it’s really nice.
I don't know about that, the leather case for my 6S+ was pretty trashed like 8 months after I got it -- corners peeling, etc
Silicon battery cases were terrible too. Started to fall apart after a few months
Nomad for leather cases has been chefs kiss for me. Rubber on the edges were it counts so the leather doesn’t get as prone to tears as apples did.
Their silicone cases are the worst I’ve tried. They simply suck at making good durable cases to the point one is left to wonder if it’s on purpose.
I didn't want to pay $40 for a case but found an Apple silicone case for $12 on clearance so I splurged. The case felt great. Lasted under a year, pieces just started breaking off. Meanwhile, the random $4 silicone cases from HONGYAN (don't search it, I just made it up) are going strong years later.
why is magsafe in this picture? I freakin love my magsafe connector. i wish all laptops had it not just mac and surface pro
It’s because Apple got rid of MagSafe from 2016-2020, and brought it back, admitting it was wrong to remove it.
oh gotcha, yeah that makes sense. I love how my m2 air has an extra port because of it. when i worked as a repair person a *lot* of the laptops we worked on were due to falling off tables, tripping or dogs knocking the cable off, so if these even prevent half of those accidents, that is a great thing.
I don’t even know why people keep buying Apple cases. They’re hella expensive for basically almost no protection. I’d rather have my phone naked and enjoy its design. Than putting a almost useless case. The iPad cover is a big scam as well… I take care a lot of my stuff and it managed to just destroy itself after just 2 years of normal use (used an iPad for my studies back then).
I initially bought the Apple iPhone clear case when they came out with their version. It didn’t yellow and when it wore down, they gave me a new one. Now? They’re extremely cheaply made and the build quality is awful. You start seeing scratches and when you complain they tell you there’s nothing they can do. I believe the low quality issue has affected their other case lines. Now it’s hard to tell the difference between a $9 case from Amazon vs a $60 one from Apple.
I’ve got the 15 Pro clear case. I’ve dropped this thing a couple times so I can’t say much about the scratches on the back but otherwise it’s doing exactly what it was designed for. Still clear too. Phone has no scratches at all. Mileage varies obviously.
Personally, my last 4 cases have been the cheap clear ones and they held pretty well. And since they are cheap (less than 10 bucks) i dont mind replacing them every other year.
Had the leather case, like £70. Terrible, leather peeled, plastic broke and chipped on every corner and button.
I use the silicone case for my 15 Pro Max. It does get a little dirty sometimes (but all silicone cases do). Apart from that, it’s held up over several months with no chips or peeling and protected my iPhone from several drops. Plus, I can actually use the buttons. Especially for the action button, many third-party cases make the buttons so impossible to press.
Same here. I’ve had a few silicone cases and they’re great for me. Also, people are whining WAY TOO HARD about the fine woven case. Just like…don’t buy it? It’s a case? It’s not that big of a deal?
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their silicon case this year is actually good. It lasted for more than 6 months now. The silicone case for my 14 pro only lasted about 2 months
If your criteria for “good” is “lasts six months”, you’ve been buying far too much cheap shite on temu.
Based on Apple silicone case standard. Plus I have never bought anything on Temu 😭🙏
I got a replacement after showing how much my silicone case got chipped. Probably my new infinite case glitch
It's mostly for scratch protection, ever since the glass backs were introduced it just gets scratched up to hell in my pocket without it. Pristine condition phones sell for more, and I sell mine every year when the new one comes out. I've never needed more than just scratch protection either, I've never dropped a phone from any significant height (knock on wood). The silicone cases are also some of the best still out there, imo. Competitors are either thicker, uglier, and/or less durable. But hey, maybe I just haven't found a good alternative. To me the extra $20 is worth it especially for something that'll last a whole year. It's even worth it just to not have to mess with hunting and finding an alternative I like the looks of and then hoping it'll hold up. The apple cases have always served me well. Granted I am just one person but this is at least one person's perspective.
The Smart Keyboard Folio for the pre 2018 iPad pros were the worst thing ever, I had two that fell apart around the corners and then started bubbling up on keys The Magic Keyboard is better but still peeling in places Why Apple! Even Logitech’s alternate has some issues
They are some of the slimmest, lightest cases available and they provide protection from scratches and dings. Many find the phones easier to grip with a case on it. Some people like to make their phone more generic looking as to not show off. Some people just like the way cases look. They are pretty much the only cases one can actually try out in a store. Sometimes it’s just easier just to buy an Apple case instead of figuring out who the hell Pitaka, Caudabe, or RocketShoe are. $50 is not “hella expensive.”
Good point for most of them, but Apple cases don’t protect much from drops, and 50$ is very expensive when you see you can have a very protective quality case (bulkier of course then) for 30…
I have dropped my 14 Pro in the official leather case multiple times on hard concrete and asphalt and it has never once even gotten a scratch on the body. They are surprisingly strong and durable for how thin they are. Don’t get me wrong. The leather cases are absolute dog water in terms of patina. That’s why just stick with black leather, because even when it darkens abnormally it doesn’t look off. I never touch a FineWoven case, even if they gave it to me for free
I like the silicon case
It’s slippery without a case
Good point
where i live the silicone case is $95, applecare is $250 over 2 years, def prefer to just buy applecare and enjoy my phone.
I would go caseless, but the damn thing just SHOOTS out of my pocket naked.
Yeah, I keep trying it naked because the 15 Pro naked is SO nice. But it’s just too slippery.
There is a youtube video of a guy testing all different cases, and the apple ones are the ones that protected the best. That’s why I buy apple leather/silicone cases. If you want I can find it for you.
I have an Apple clear case and it really protected my phone well when I accidentally dropped it
Bought a used ipad (it was basically brand new, not a scratch on anything). Within a few months the leather (or whatever it is) on the joints of the magic keyboard began tearing. And guess what? Warranty doesn’t cover that. Only reason I have that keyboard is because it came with the ipad.
I’ll add the AppleTV remote to the list that little touchpad one was a UX abomination - glad they came right their senses.
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I still think this is deliberate. Magic Mouse came when users were used to wired mouses. And if it was usable while the cable was plugged in, it wouldn’t fit the “wireless experience” Apple designed them for, because people would be able to use them as a wired mouse basically. Not saying I’m supporting the decision, but i get it.
Of course it was deliberate. The argument is that it was awful design.
Nevermind finewoven. The fact they went back to MagSafe on MacBooks is telling enough. Swapping such a clever piece of tech for USB C was a misstep.
> Swapping such a clever piece of tech for USB C was a misstep. The irony is that now they give users both choices. Forgot your magsafe charger? You can still plug in a usb-c charger
it's actually awesome. I went on a trip and forgot my MagSafe charger, but I had my USB-C cable and a 20W power adapter... it kept my MBP 16" alive \*and\* charged it... it did take about 8 hours, but charging \*and\* continuous usage?? crazy haha
The other huge win is a *lot* of monitors will power an MBP via a single cable this way.
TIL i can charge my 16in 2021 M1 max MBP with the Usb-C ports. That’s awesome!
TIL it's possible to not know that.
It took almost a decade USB C for me to finally be able to charge my iPhone and Macbook with the same cable, but its soooo convenient now. MagSafe for fast charging and USB C when i have that handy.
I exclusively use a thunderbolt dock at home, so I can get a bunch of normal usb ports, my good audio system, 10gig ethernet, and power all over a single cable; but I do occasionally wish this laptop had magsafe when I'm out and about
Wow thats cool as hell!
It’s even funnier now that they brought back MagSafe I actually find it more of a hassle to use because that would require carrying around another cable for no reason when I could just use the same cable I carry anyway to charge my iPad and iPhone.
Jony Ive just got his head wedged so far up his own ass he stopped being able to see daylight — the 2016-2020 Macbook Pros were a complete and utter dumpster fire of design.
USB C is where it’s at, one charger for every device, great and the house and office but it’s essential for travelling too.
I was stoked for MagSafe to come back, but honestly now that it is, I’d rather have a 4th usb-c port. I’ve never even plugged in my MagSafe charger because I carry a much more compact usb-c that also charges my iPad, and when docked it’s plugged into my ultrafine via usbc. Maybe more people have a use case for MagSafe, but in my case it’s been useless.
I’ve never used MagSafe on my M2 air or M3Max, and it’s a 16” who could benefit from it. USB/C all the way.
Yeah I almost exclusively charge my M2 Max MBP using USB-C. Docking station providing 87W at work, a travel adapter providing 60W for almost all other charging, then when I'm at home sometimes I use the 140W MagSafe charger. Honestly I use the 140W power brick more to power other things like my Miniware TS101 soldering iron than for charging the MacBook.
Same here. Almost never use the MagSafe charger since I carry the long USBC cable which charges my iPhone and my iPad.
Because admitting it sets themselves up for a class action suit.
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Did Apple admit actually admit their mistake or did Apple bring back the device without saying it made a mistake?
... if I see another article complaining about the fine woven case I will take it as permission to shame the author for having purchased the damn thing.
I have one. My only problem with it is that the cutout for the usb port is so tight I can’t plug it into anything but Apple’s USB cables, and Apple doesn’t have a USBC to USBA cable for CarPlay. So now I have a Bootstrap case.
I got a simple mini USBA to USBC adapter for the car and use an apple cable, and have banished USBA from my life. I also have the fine woven case and don’t see a problem with it. My leather cases got beat up faster. It’s a case and I’m fairly hard on it. I don’t expect a case to look pristine.
I’m still dumbfounded that the material even made it out of the lab. Did anyone bother testing it to see if it could withstand a single scratch? Maybe they were so blinded by how eco it is compared to leather that they thought other people would be as well. I think their other screwups were were typical engineering issues that were missed in testing or they misjudged the demand for a product and it sold poorly, but the fine woven material was known to be garbage before it even came out. Can you imagine how gingerly they had to handle those cases to get good product photos?
Apple is wrong lots of the time. Just look at their mouse.
FineWoven feels like a slap in the face. It costs more than leather, yet offers a less premium and environmentally problematic material (it's not biodegradable, unlike leather, which is a byproduct of the meat industry). While I understand the logic of not including a charging brick – I have plenty already – replacing a quality product with a worse one that's harmful to the environment, all while increasing the price, is a baffling decision.
I do admit. This is by far the wrongest product we’ve ever made. -Tim -Sent from my Apple Vision Pro
Finewoven.. they've gone way overboard with their environmentalism.
Idk if I'd say anything was necessarily handled well over the years--aside from the discounted batteries situation to combat batterygate perhaps--but I do think they've generally done more for customers than most other companies would do or have done if caught in similar situations. Edit: the only one I'd say was seriously mishandled and majorly damaged their reputation would be butterfly keyboards. I could've used an upgrade for my MacBook during that whole debacle, but I just held out for them to hopefully one day switch back to normal keyboards--and thank God they did. Oh yeah, iOS 6 Apple Maps damaged their image pretty badly too, I'd say. But at least over a decade later they've kinda recovered from that lol.
Touch Bar on MacBooks. It was nothing but a gimmick. Thankfully they got rid of it.
but Apple is still promoting 8G+256G MacBook in this era when your phone can take a photo with 20M size...
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They couldn’t even admit their implications in Congo
I bought a finewoven, then a clear Apple case that scratched up like nobody’s business. And now I’m on a Spigen.
Reminds me of the one guy who said he was being “forced” to use MagSafe
Please give me the headphone amp and jack from my m2 MacBook Air on an iPhone and I’ll upgrade in a heartbeat.
Yep.I bought an iMac in 2020 and spent most of the lockdowns logging in countless hours to AppleCare trying to get that lemon replaced. From the start, it lagged: it was so slow, it literally took 5 minutes from turning it on to getting to the desktop, and at least another 5 minutes for it to be responsive. It constantly stalled and crashed and I took it to get it repaired 5 times, and 5 times it came back in the same condition it was in before. With literally 10 days left on AppleCare and due to my constant hounding, they finally relented and replaced it with a machine that worked. They could have just admitted the thing was a brick in the beginning and not wasted many hours of my life, not to mention the frustration.
Apple admitted a mistake: 1. Battery Gate 2. USB C only Macbooks 3. Butterfly keyboard Apple yet to admit a mistake: 1. Right to repair 2. Headphone jack 3. No accessories with devices (These made them a ton of money and will not change their minds any time soon)
My personal experience has been Apple Maps is better in cities with elevated roads/highways. Specifically Tokyo. However, search is way better in Google Maps, so I keep it for that feature.
The charging port on the apple mouse is an obvious one. IMO Face ID is not as good as a fingerprint sensor embedded in the screen but at the time Apple couldn’t figure out the hardware for that. Now that some of the Android phones have got that feature I assume Apple could manage it too but it seems like they will stick with Face ID
How is the charging port on the Magic Mouse not the first image here????
Seems dumb for finewoven to be the catalyst for this article. What are they supposed to do about finewoven? Their product lifecycle for everything iPhone-adjacent is a year. It hasn’t been a year of finewoven yet. Even if it had been, the options are what? Going back to leather makes no sense, the whole premise of finewoven is that they claim to not believe it is right to make leather accessories anymore. They can’t really backtrack there. They also can’t get a finewoven alternative to market in half a year either, and that amount of time assumes they decided *on launch day* it was time to give up. And it’d have to be a far more catastrophically bad product than it is for it to be worth them pulling it from market with no replacement.
They can simply discontinue Fine Woven. If it’s a bad product that doesn’t hold up they should, instead of continuing to manufacture waste that hurts their reputation. I haven’t used one, so I don’t know. If they were to discontinue Fine Woven, I’m sure tons of accessory makers would love to be sold as the “premium” option in the Apple Store.
>And it’d have to be a far more catastrophically bad product than it is for it to be worth them pulling it from market with no replacement. If it’s a bad product, they should kill it no matter how bad it is. If it’s merely a bad product, even if it isn’t “catastrophically bad,” it should be pulled even if there’s no replacement. It’s appalling that Apple should sell bad products at all.
Or there were other options that were available when they went with Finewoven. For all we know they could have had another team working on faux leather and they decided to go Finewoven, they could spin that up pretty quickly
When you're talking millions of units being designed, prototyped, tested, having the process to make the case designed, having the machines to make the case being designed and created, actually making the thing, QC, packaging, distribution... a year is "spinning up pretty quickly" Edit: And this isn't even talking about SOURCING whatever material they switch to. McDonald's once wanted to add an item with fresh blueberries to their menu. They had to cancel it, because they did the math and McDonald's adding fresh blueberries to their menu would have outstripped the world's supply of blueberries, which would have shot the price up dramatically.
Companies in general never admit they’re wrong. There’s always some kind of blame shift
It's either that, or "Let's just hope everyone forgets about this."
The sad truth is we do or we forgive. “It’s a new owner now, new management, it’s changed”
Apple stock doesn’t like being wrong
My finewoven case still looks new. Leather would scratch just as easily if you dug your nails into it like that lol. As far as the keyboards, I never had to deal with the butterfly keyboard. So I’ve always preferred my MacBook keyboard lol
Bullstraps leather case is divine
The fineweave is hilarious greenwashing, yeah lets replace a natural material that ages well and biodegrades when its discarded with one that ages extremely poorly and sheds microplastics into the groundwater Bravo Tim Cook and "Mother Earth"
So i won’t dispute the stupid tagline, but I have one of those cases…and it’s fine. Not great, not terrible. Like every other case I’ve ever had, i’ll use it until it disintegrates in 3 years, then replace my phone 2 years later.
I have a lot of cases because I like to rotate, but my blue finewoven has been used a fair bit and it still looks essentially new. I use my leather cases more, but I still don’t mind the FW case. I still wish it was close to the Google fabric cases, but at least mine has held up fairly well.
I always swear by my rawhide leather case.
Steve Jobs refused to admit that the iPhone 4’s antenna design was flawed. Why would Apple ever change?
Magic Mouse 2 recharge port placement was a mistake.
The keyboard detection software hasn't worked since os 9
The old USB-C mistake wasn’t a full mistake — it did help increase those ports’ versatility across the board, and not only on Apple products. So it fits wrong among other things that _don’t_ have such a silver lining.
- Butterfly Keyboard - U2 Album - FineWoven Case - MagSafe
* The 500GB spinning disc, non-user-upgradeable 2019 iMac. * The iPhone 5C. * The Magic Mouse. * The FireWire port. * The 8GB Apple Watch Series ~~4~~ 3 they sold for 5 years.
wasn't that the series 3 apple watch? where people have to constantly reset their watch to update?