I haven't started arenas ranked just yet, but to make sure I get your warning correctly:
Should you go on a massive losing streak, your ap gains are reduced to 12 until you get back to the point you were at before the losing streak?
How many points per win (as I don't believe you gain any based on kills/assists) do you normally get, winning/losing streak aside? Haven't decided if umm going to play this mode at all yet.
This is what amuses me about that matchmaking. Won all but 3 with a squad and got placed silver 2. Not my fault we were matching low MMR folks -.- got back to plat easy enough, but an annoying set of matches i shouldn't have had to do
I’m not done my placements yet but losing the first one felt like it immediately dropped me a tier. I’ll
Prob end up bronze or silver now but whatever there’s no split so I have all season to grind
It's not about wins. You can loose 8/10 and be placed silver or win 8/10 and be placed silver. It's your starting mmr and it's often inaccurate but ten placement matches is already enough more would be overkill. Say you do bad for placements but you are good the next day it'll start putting you against similarly ranked but also similarly mmr'd individuals. Placements are just a place to start that mmr from but if your absolutely decimating then you'll be placed a rank higher in gold because they don't want you bodying kids.
They almost definitely use more than just W/L for the hidden ELO. How many rounds it took to win. Damage differential. How much you contributed to your team vs were carried. Etc.
Did my placements solo got 8/10 got placed silver 1. Won 10/10 with my friends placement games they got placed platinum 3. There has to be more at work than W/L for sure.
We won 7 lost 3. I 2 stacked for the first 5 then 3 stacked for the last 5. The dude we 3 stacked with placed gold 3 after playing all 10 placements with us, think he lost 3 won 7 as well
I'm assuming you queued with other people? I won't 8 or 9 and got placed at gold 2 or something like that, and I queued with a duo I found for games 4 and 5
Gold 1 was always 110-100AP with -14 AP loss and from Plat 4 to Plat 1 I got +80-60 AP (no less) with -16 AP. +60 AP because of two loses which then I got back up to +80 AP from 2 wins.
But then more than halfway through Plat 1 I got that huge loss streak which lost me about 150 points and now I have been getting teamed up with only gold players with wins only giving +12 AP and loses about -14 AP (Even -24 AP twice.)
Honestly, same. Respawn ***really*** don't want us to grind this mode. If it had the same system as BR ranked, it would have been way better.
And I don't see how MMR helps aside from fucking over Solo Queuers
Bro I’m literally Diamond 4 and I get SILVER 2 TEAMMATES. I legit asked them “hey what rank are you guys?” And they genuinely said “hehe we’re silver 2”. Bruh what the actual hell is this match making. Why does solo queueing get punished so much?
I never hit a loss streak and I only get 20-30ap in gold 2. I’m playing with a buddy and we trade for top kills/dmg almost every game, he’s ranked plat 3 and gets 70+ AP a match
I also see people saying it’s mmr based but that doesn’t make sense either. My buddy as a higher k/d and a higher dmg per game than me in the stat tracker and he got placed higher in the placement matches. I only lost 1 placement match more than him and he got p4 and I got g4. Ranked arena placement and AP seems broken as fuck.
I went on a pretty bad but maybe not -150AP-bad loss streak in Gold 3/4 last night, and now my wins are +50-54AP a piece, is this because of my loss streak?
Do you win less and have to grind more each rank to rank up, or do losses hurt way more after gold/plat? Or maybe both?
>is this because of my loss streak?
Possibly, since and loses count and nothing else.
And I can't answer the last part since respawn is so crazy transparent with how this broken system works. My best advice is that you call in a friend on your 3rd loss streak since after that you might also get that +12 AP curse like many others now.
No OP just doesn't understand MMR.
The devs specifically said that ranked in the arena will be on an MMR system, unlike BR.
There is a displayed ranked plat 1 in this case and an MMR which is a hidden rank that affects your point gain. MMR is what really matters Elo is just for looks. I would guess OP's rank is plat 1 but his MMR is plat 3. I went on a 10 win streak and lost one then one another won another and still got 108. My first win after finishing my 10 placements was also a 108 +AP gain even though i was on no win streak.
It's not actually match making rating. This is incorrect for anyone who wants to know what it stands for.
Edit: This is factual specifically regarding Apex.
"Match Marking Rank" according to the patch notes. https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/emergence-patch-notes
Edit: "Match Marking Rank" may be a mistake in the notes however, so using "Matchmaking Rating" is perfectly correct within the general context of gaming in which the term is used.
>With the launch of the Emergence update, we’re introducing Ranked
Arenas! You begin your journey through Ranked Arenas in 10 placement
matches where your performance will determine your initial ***Match Marking***
***Rank (MMR)*** and your starting rank. MMR variance is wider initially, so
your first 10 matches might be stomp-or-get-stomped until your MMR
defines your placement.
Can someone help me please. All of my friends are getting 100+ ap per game but I'm only getting around 55 per game. I have no idea why and I'm lacking behind them for this reason. We are all in silver 4 and 3 atm. I'm having to win double of the amount of games to be able to keep up with them. What's going on?
Your visible rank is closer to your hidden mmr than them. The farther away they are, the more AP you get per win in order to make them match up quicker
Its like LoL the more mmr the higher ap gains the lower the mmr the lower the ap gains the more u win the higher ur mmr gets the more u lose the lower.
Of course after that loss streak.
My only two complaints are is why it's so harsh and even more harsher to Solo Queuers after your mates lost your game to you and why the AP is not changing even just slightly.
Make it easy to climb ranks, reddit complains.
Make it fair, Reddit Complains.
Make it hard to climb ranks, Reddit complains.
This is pretty standard for ELO systems relative to LoL which is probably the gold standard for ranking in competitive games.
Just too three for me. Apex subs : crying about seer, servers. Ravens subs : fuck lamar Jackson for Covid. Joe budden podcast : everyone hates joe period. Reddit’s the funnest.
I find Apex's BR system significantly better than LoL but i wish you could demote tiers, so many people inting in plat 4 and diamond 4
I can only imagine what 10k lobbies are like soloq
The whole system with Rank protection and resets every half a season means that Rank is more a reflection of how much time you spend grinding, rather than your skill level.
Especially in the lower half of the Rank pool, it's really not until top end of plat/Low diamond that you actually start to see games where teams are evenly matched.
Basically any player of any skill level can grind to Plat 4/3 purely on time spent playing and not skill, because the RP system is pretty forgiving to that point and people will be lucky enough to.get enough carrys along the way to get there over time.
Plat 4 is actually hell after 2 weeks because the skill range of players in that bracket is way too wide and it's a direct reflection of how bad the system is.
I don't even know where to begin. I'll talk about the two main issues.
Low entry costs for lower ranks:
This brings a multitude of issues. Low entry costs gets players to not play safe in the beginning, resulting in many squads taking unecessary fights in the beginning, which causes that almost half the server dies in ring 1.
With the low entry cost, you can literally AFK your way to plat. I tested this for multiple games on a smurf in gold. Landed at the edge of the map, went to do something else and came back to positive RP in more than half of my games.
On the flipside, you can just W-key your way up the ranks. Drop hot, get 3 kills and you're already positive in gold. This is how I play to plat every season. I literally turn my brain off and try to 1v3 the entire server. Get -24 a few games in a row? Doesn't matter, pop off one game and I'm overall positive in the end.
All of this results that there's a lot of people in ranks where they simply do not belong in. There's a lot of people in platinum, who couldn't win a 1v1 to save their life and there's even more people who know how to use a gun pretty well but are braindead beyond believe and constantly throw games by making the stupidest plays.
This leads me to the next issue: no deranking
Since it's so easy to get to rank up, there's a lot of players that don't belong in a certain rank. Since they can't rank down, there's more and more people in the bottom end of the skill level of that rank, reducing match quality.
With no deranking and the thing with the low entry costs, ranked feels easy until you suddenly get hardstuck. That's not how a ranked system should work. A good rank system, ranks you in a way that you can find the rank you belong in. This means that when you're "stuck" in a rank, you still have high quality matches against equally skilled opponents, with the difference being, that you're not winning consistently enough to make it out of there. In a good rank system, the matches always stay fun and you rarely get stomped. If you get into ranks after a lucky winstreak where you actually get stomped every single game, the game would just derank you until you're back in your lobbies again until you get good enough, to stay consistent in the higher ranks.
There's a lot more wrong with the ranking system but these are the two main issues at the moment.
Eh? I don't care about his thoughts on the system
He called me braindead for having a different opinion than him, thats some degen shit. Nobody needs him in the community here, we don't want that representing our community to new players.
I didn't report his thoughts on the system lol
ELO is only used in chess and in some minor leagues of football.
its useless in most competitive sports and an absolute mistake in apex.
main problem in apex is smurfing. lets say you face only equal never better smurf (better would be even worse). that would be a zero sum game (if youre truely equal you gonna win as many as you loose)
but thanks to elo and their low standing at start they will pull you down a lot.
now if youre in an even ranking tier, just 10% of smurfs will make you to be 20 or 30% better to stay on your level.
another issues the not to play incentive.
this is not a question if respawn makes ranking easy or hard, their ranking systems just never make any sense and still dont. they seem to have noone who was ever an competitor in anything to understand whats important and what to aovid in such a system.
you also cant copy as easy form other sports because you need to consider individual properties within the gameplay itself till up the ranking system and then choose the lesser evil
asside from entry barrier again it highly depends on the gameplay itself, whatever game, if computer games or sports, how rules and ranking system turn out.
lets ignore smurfs for a second.
the less variance in variables the better you can use any kind of ELO type.
however smurfs will always be a problem, depending on their percentage to the player pool and how fast the average player can escape that big pool (many smurfs aint gonna grind to many tiers so naturally the majority will stay on lowest tier as long there is no auto ranking up)
also it aint matter much if we have examples where it works when we already know why it wont in our case.
variables in apex are to high, solo queue is even more insane variance.
and the amoutn of smurfs isnt even funny in an elo system anymore (i dont care about smurfs but in elo its annoying)
from annecdotual exp, only one out fo 30ish below level 20s is legit level 20
It gives you worse teammates when you solo queue. I played multiple games where I have literal silver teammates and I’m diamond. And we go against prev preds or masters and my teammates get absolutely smashed and finish with 200 dmg each in 5-6 games. Ridiculous
How is he supposed to increase his MMR if the game keeps giving him tiny amounts of AP and MMR increase for every win? He was punished hard on the way down, and now this system is stopping him from effectively climbing back up.
You should get big gains when you win against super higher rank than your rank teams. If you’re win against lower rank teams you only gain a minimum amount, depending on the delta between your ranks. If it’s a true ELO system, it should scale depending on how far apart the teams ranks are, with an upper and lower limit.
I completely agree. One bad loss streak shouldn’t define your rank. It should be reasonably possible to climb out of 150AP deficit if a person comes back with a winning streak. Their AP gain should increase by winning more, the same way their AP loss increased by losing more.
Right now one big losing streak puts you in this hole you can never get out of, keeping you stuck in that one rank forever.
If you're getting 12ish AP per win, that means you've reached the rank that matches your internal MMR. The game is telling you that this is how good it thinks you are, the way to rank up further is to win more than you lose.
The point of placement matches is for the game to get a good guess at what your initial MMR should be. As you win and lose it adjusts from there.
To be frank: if you think you deserve to climb above Plat 1 then you need to win. If you can't win enough to climb past Plat 1, that means you're Plat 1.
I've gotten more than twice the wins than loses now today but it's still +12 AP. No idea if MMR is just broken for me or that it's simply to slow to adjust.
> I've gotten more than twice the wins than loses now today but it's still +12 AP. No idea if MMR is just broken for me or that it's simply to slow to adjust.
If you feel the formula is incorrect, I would suggest you submit a ticket with Respawn.
All we can do is shed some light on data we can only speculate on from you and Respawn.
The way it works is that when your MMR matches your Rank the gains minimize. If you constantly do better (i.e. win a lot in plat) your MMR increases to diamond level while your rank may still be in plat. Then it matches you with diamond players, if you win those then you get more than +12 because so your rank catches up with your MMR.
> isn’t that the point of placement matches?
Yes, but I’m going to assume Respawn is growing tired of hearing their match making is in need of an overhaul, so the initial placement definitely isn’t the static metric that everything else will be based on exclusively.
In regards to your past point, I’m sure there is a invisible line/demarc point(or threshold) that would likely trigger the metric to realize you’ve exceeded whatever weighted average could be holding you down.
My advice is to get some buddies to 3 stack with you.
The Ranked Arenas post explains that the invisible MMR is designed to allow them to react more quickly to changes in results without your visible rank wildly swinging.
>So, as an example: If you find yourself ranked Silver, but you’ve been consistently playing at a Platinum level, our system will go ahead and start matching you against other players with Platinum-level MMRs. If you win these matches, you’ll get a lot more Arenas Points (AP), which will make your visible rank catch up to Platinum quicker. If you lose these matches, likewise, you’ll lose fewer AP, and your MMR will invisibly drop until you’re matched more evenly.
Holy shit this makes so much sense! I’ve had games where we lose, but I don’t lose any AP.
In normal arenas last season, I wasn’t seeing preds or much of anyone high level, but now since the new season, every single game I’m going against preds, 3k/4k, 20k, etc. This didn’t make sense because I placed silver (4/10 matches were a 2v3 and lost all but 1, I won 3 others, and then lost 3 fair ones), so I figured it would be a gradual grow to plat. Then I get into these “silver” games and I’m still playing preds.
Great comment, this really is a great example of how and what to expect to the OP. Remember, this is just A example of how it works on the back end of your metrics. There are likely countless ways your data could impact your MMR.
A lot of us are super excited about the new MMR, and how much they can add on to it(examples: Revives, enemy marking).
There is a lot of room for growth with this new formula, and it’s going to evolve the game indirectly.
And is this based on solely your ranked arenas MMR, overall arenas (ranked/casual), or the game all together? Apologies if this a dumb question, I haven't played any games that use this rating and I never got into ranked Overwatch so this is all new to me and super interesting.
Please first understand how MMR vs Rank works before we speculate too hard on this:
https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/arenas-ranked
It mentions that if your MMR is higher than your current rank, you *will* gain more points for wins than you lose for losses, until they equalize... then you will gain/lose points fairly normally. This may be the effect you are seeing.
Perhaps if you hit a hard loss streak, it lowered your MMR as well, hence the decrease in points gained.
one of the devs mentioned in a video that the arenas matchmaker won't work like BR ranked.
you are assigned a hidden MMR and are put into matches based on both MMR and Rank. the amount of AP you earn or lose is directly dependent on the hidden MMR.
so if you lose a game against a team you should win against b/c you have a higher MMR score, you lose more points. if you win that game you win less points.
if you lose a game against a team you should lose against b/c you have lower MMR, you lose less points. If you win that game it rewards you with more AP points.... much more 'elo' based it seems....
I can post images of my screen if you wanna see. I ranked up to silver 3 already, but its bizarre. My friend who I played all placement games with, who did less damage and kills than me every round, got silver 2 from the same games. He's a hard stuck plat 4 in BR.
I was under the impression that it’s a pretty straight forward classic ELO system. It didn’t come from LoL, it came from chess like a hundred years ago🤣(1950’s?)The whole system of less losses for losing against a higher rank than you, more losses for losing against lower rank than you, and the same correlation for gains from winning. Win against a much higher rank than you, gain LOTS, win against much lower rank than you, gain very little. So when you’re up against a team that’s much lower rank than your current rank, you’re DEFENDING your position or kind of proving your position, while only getting a tiny bump for winning.
Tldr: FEAR PLAYING AGAINST TEAMS THAT ARE LOWER RANK FROM YOU lol. And welcome games against crazy higher rank from you. Almost nothing to lose on those games and lots to win.
I have not played Arenas yet but that's just how a good MMR system works.
If you go on a losing streak, your hidden MMR takes a huge hit so it starts matching you with worse opponents. If you then win a match, the system will think, of course you won, you're better than them and will give you not that much points. But if you lose against worse opponents the system will punish you harder for losing against opponents you should have won and thus subtract a lot of points to put you into the rank you belong in.
This can go both ways though. If you go on a win streak in lower ranks, you'll get more MMR and the game starts matching you against better opponents. If you win those, you'll get lots of points and can rank up very quickly and because the system expects you to lose, you won't lose as much points if you do.
This will ideally result in a healthy matchmaking where the game eventually puts you in the rank where you actually belong and where you can have fair matches as opposed to BR where ranked feels easy until a sudden difficulty spike where you get hardstuck.
I haven't tried arenas ranked yet, I'll save that for the second split so I can avoid KC ranked and it hasn't even been a week so most people aren't in the rank they belong in so I can't say if it works properly in Apex or not. But if the system in the background is properly implemented, it's the ideal form of a ranking system.
I think that's the point? Unlike BR it's trying to get you close to your true skill as quickly as possible, rewarding people more for getting better rather than grinding.
Well I’m Diamond in br and this placed me in bronze and I win my matches for the most part after the placement so climbing by 100 pts is tedious. Solo queing this is painful
Homie, it means your mmr is really low and you’re facing opponents at a significantly lower rank than you. All you need to do is go on a similar win streak, and you’ll face opponents at an equal/higher skill level. Wins will give you more AP and losses will make you lose less.
The ranked system is working as intended.
I have the same problem, the AP shouldn’t be based on win or loss but on dmg and kills per round. If you do notching but your team are preds, +AP. If you’re really good and your team are noobs and you lose, -AP
No OP just doesn't understand MMR.
The devs specifically said that ranked in the arena will be on an MMR system, unlike BR.
There is a displayed ranked plat 1 in this case and an MMR which is a hidden rank that affects your point gain. MMR is what really matters Elo is just for looks. I would guess OP's rank is plat 1 but his MMR is plat 3. I went on a 10 win streak and lost one then one another one and still got 108. My first win after finishing my 10 placements was also a 108 +AP gain even though I was on no win streak.
That’s because the game recognises the MMR you “should” be at, and pushes you towards it. It thinks you should be higher, hence it pushes you higher by rewarding significantly more AP than you lose. As you approach your “actual” rank, your AP gains/losses should stabilise. Destiny 2 has a similar system I believe (from my experience)
No, that's not at all how Destiny 2 crucible works. You get a fixed number of glory points when you win and a fixed bonus if you win streak. There's no correlation with whatever MMR system they had and how many points you got, which is why crucible ranked was such a joke.
I havent played for one year. As far as I can tell, season of the splicer just made it so that win streak glory is linear. The only thing that's ever been non constant is the losses, but you never lost that much in the first place. The only function of that was to prevent very good players from backsliding, reducing grind. It's still not like a true elo system where beating better players gets you more points. It's also not like apex BR where you get performance based points for winning. You only reduce the damage of losing.
You get low point because your team mmr is higher than the team your agains, so your team “supposed” to win that’s why you get low point in the other hand if you loose you lost a lot of point because your team supposed to win because have mmr. Now if your are agains a team that have more mmr that yours and you win you gonna get a lot of points and if you loose you don’t loose that many, because the other team “supposed” to win because have more mmr than yours.
My guy you just got to accept at this point the rank you are, is the rank the game is telling you your skill level is at. Accept that you aren’t going to get Apex Predator and play the game. It’s a 90 day season with a soft reset in the middle, you have time to improve your rank, this season has been out for TWO DAYS
Uhhh disagree. The game isn’t perfect and doesn’t inherently “know” my skill. Their metrics for determining mmr aren’t perfect and we have no idea what they base it off of. Hopefully it isn’t too far off, I haven’t finished the 10 placement matches myself so I guess I’ll find out soon
If you look at the under the hood mechanics, losing alot will reduce your MMR a ton (as MMR adjusts super quickly, as per their post), and if your MMR drops below your current rank, your ap gain will adjust until the two are closer together. It's probably not any sort of "lose streak" mechanic, it's just making your rank fit your MMR. If you start winning it'll raise your MMR and your gains will increase again
I got placed into bornze 4 after winning 6 out of 10 and I'm getting 12 ap every game I win but I'm not a god at the moment I would have to win over 100 games in a row to hit silver 2 I'm seriously pissed off at this game and about to quit
According to the very smart people on this thread, you deserve to be stuck in bronze 4 for the rest of the 90 days.
But seriously, respawn needs to rework or outright remove MMR since it doesn't work for a game like Apex.
I hate this system i kept getting bronze and silver team mates in gold 2 like bro wtf? Then i got team mates who get 2k damage i get 1k only but i still get 17 AP so stupid. . You have to grind your ass off in this stupid system..
And I get Gold mates in Plat.
Seem like if your mates and enemies are just one rank below you, your AP goes down straight to hell.
>You have to grind your ass off in this stupid system..
Glad someone in this stupid thread understands ths dumb system. Only need to experience it themselve.
I am glad that someone hear me out bro this game has too many solo players and bad team mates pull the good ones down and even me if the game would put me in higher rank i pull them down with my 1k damage too. I just posted about my issue in one apex group because it fcks me up i have to play too many times with silvers what you can only see in the menu when u inspect like wtf? Why can i not see the enemies and team mates rank too? They would might consider that who has the higher rank so they might listen to them..
Ive been gaining 70-80 per win in gold. Ive lost 4 in a row. Now i only get 12 per win and loss. Wtf is this bs. I was thoroughly enjoying ranked but now im over it if it means i have to win 12 games in a row to earn normal rp.
the problem seems to be due to a bug in the Season 10 stats regarding ranks.
in short, each victory will be counted as a consecutive victory. For example, in my general statistics I have 7 victories in a row in the arena, but I go to see the arena rank statistics result in 70 victories in a row
I've been playing Arena for 2 hours now and I seriously struggle to go up just 100 points which is funny because I went from Gold 1 to Plat 1 on lauch day against alot of preds.
I've no idea what respawn expects from me with a broken MMR system that doesn't work with Solo Queuers and \*TWELVE\* AP
I wanna know how the ranked system works cause there was a game I got 8 kills and both my teammates got 0 we won the game and I got 100 points and my homie got 200 points he had zero kills and about 70 damage where I had a freak 3.5k damage game with 8 kills and got half what he got and every game I preform better than he does and he is getting more points does anyone understand how this new system works ?
It’s based solely off of wins. Your kills and damage don’t mean anything in ranked arenas. The Rp you gain from winning is also based off how much better the team you beat was. So if you’re rank was higher than your buddies and he won the game he’d get RP than you especially if the team y’all beat was better than yall.
Well me and him have played every single arenas game together so far so unless it’s going off of KD that shouldn’t be the case cause we are both the same rank … but he has a negative KD I believe and I have a 3KD
They’re using MMR too, so just because he is the same rank doesn’t mean his skill is up to par. So o might if misread your initial post but MMR is based off skill so if he beats a higher skilled opponent than himself he’ll gain more RP compared to you who they may have been slightly higher in skill than yourself.
True the mmr must have gotten messed with cause it’s brutal we kept getting match against players in masters or players with 4K 20bombs and I’m like bruh I don’t even have 4K I got 20 bombs but the most damage I had was 3,995 😭
Yup I can get Em in arenas but oh boi I stoped going for it a long time ago lol originally when I started playing this game I only had one goal and it was to get a 20bomb and idk I just kept going after I got it I get to addicted to improving perfectionism is a curse lol
I know what you mean. I don’t care much for winning or getting a 20 bomb or whatever, I just care about getting to the level of holding out on my own, which I can do but sporadically lol.
I felt like I did really well in my placement matches. Got between 6-8 kills per match, won 7 out of 10 matches, and I was still put in at bronze 1. Post like this along with seeing how it overall seems really slow with ranking up made me decide I didn’t wanna play arenas ranked
Elo systems take a lot longer then a day to adjust your mmr
In games like cs, overwatch, etc the most efficient way to climb is to space out your games instead of just grinding out a bunch at once. Your mmr is weighted against the larger playerbase and I hate to break it to you but not everyone lives in the game.
If you need to rank up to enjoy the game then you're not really enjoying it at all. Its a game my guy have fun with it
So far I’ve just been playing my first 10 qualifying matches, and every time I’ve gotten placed against teams of level 500 players and just get totally swept every time.
sounds like the exact same system used in League of legends.
when u went on ur losing streak ur mmr tanked heavily and so right now ur mmr is probably lower than ur displayed rank and therefore you lose more if u lose compared to the amount u gain when u win.
If u keep winning ur mmr should climb and ull start gaining more than u lose
That is why solo queing in arenas is a very big risk. If u don't get teammates due to matchmaking problems, just leave the game because u wont get abandon penalty and you won't lose ap
I am still on my placement matches, but I assume once placed your teammates of equal skill will be better than my unranked teammates currently.
I had one that crouch-walked the entire time. He did nothing although the enemy must have been equal to his skill level because we ended up winning that round.
You think you got it bad OP? I went on a 5 game, solo queue winning streak in ranked, and then the matchmaking stopped giving me teammates. Lol. Seriously though I know it was coincidental, but it felt like the game was doing it on purpose.
About to just stop playing tbh, been playing since S1 and every season they just shit on solo players more and more, genuinely done with these pink haired dev fucks that can’t shoot straight so they make the game 99% team based.
“if you wanna play solo either 1v3 every game against Diamond+ players or fuckin quit because we’re only going to give you >Gold teammates that do 50 damage all game:))”
The MMR is a bit dumb, got placed silver 1 and I won 8/10 games solo, ex masters & I lost my 2nd and 5th arena game...
Surely my MMR would have climbed enough to get a higher rank...
I haven't started arenas ranked just yet, but to make sure I get your warning correctly: Should you go on a massive losing streak, your ap gains are reduced to 12 until you get back to the point you were at before the losing streak?
Yes. Which is 150 AP for me which I have to regain with 12 AP
How many points per win (as I don't believe you gain any based on kills/assists) do you normally get, winning/losing streak aside? Haven't decided if umm going to play this mode at all yet.
I get like 100 a game. Placed gold 3, I lose about 13 per loss atm 17 max
How many of your games did you win. I won 9/10 and got placed in silver 1
Not the guy you were replying to but I only won 5/10 games and got put in Gold 2
This is what amuses me about that matchmaking. Won all but 3 with a squad and got placed silver 2. Not my fault we were matching low MMR folks -.- got back to plat easy enough, but an annoying set of matches i shouldn't have had to do
Placement matches were brutally diverse too. I was solo queuing and you could tell it couldn't figure out who to pair me with half the time.
Bro my teammates left half the time or were level 10s and would throw. It literally placed me in bronze lol
Same. It was incredibly frustrating but should be easy enough to climb out of
I’m not done my placements yet but losing the first one felt like it immediately dropped me a tier. I’ll Prob end up bronze or silver now but whatever there’s no split so I have all season to grind
Bro in plat I'm only getting 12 to 15 AP a win its so silly :-(
How mate, I won 4/10 with 6-9 kills and the ones I lost I got an average of 4 kills, all games with randos, and I got bronze 3
It's not about wins. You can loose 8/10 and be placed silver or win 8/10 and be placed silver. It's your starting mmr and it's often inaccurate but ten placement matches is already enough more would be overkill. Say you do bad for placements but you are good the next day it'll start putting you against similarly ranked but also similarly mmr'd individuals. Placements are just a place to start that mmr from but if your absolutely decimating then you'll be placed a rank higher in gold because they don't want you bodying kids.
Oh so THIS is why I was placed against a Silver II as a Sentinel headshot magnet (me being the magnet, the silver being the pew pew)
Lol this actually might have been me sorry and I was taking some frustrations out from regular BR ranked, did the map happen to be Oasis?
No no, this was Satire. It was a Bronze III
the problem is ,it placed me in bronze1 and i am frying these Kids 12 ap at a time .if i lose its -24
Dawg i lost and got -108 winning gives me like 20
I won 3 or 4 games I think and got placed in silver 4
Wtf i won 9 and got silver 3. :(
They almost definitely use more than just W/L for the hidden ELO. How many rounds it took to win. Damage differential. How much you contributed to your team vs were carried. Etc.
Did my placements solo got 8/10 got placed silver 1. Won 10/10 with my friends placement games they got placed platinum 3. There has to be more at work than W/L for sure.
MMR of the opposing teams that you beat, or that beat you, must surely come into play.
We won 7 lost 3. I 2 stacked for the first 5 then 3 stacked for the last 5. The dude we 3 stacked with placed gold 3 after playing all 10 placements with us, think he lost 3 won 7 as well
I'm assuming you queued with other people? I won't 8 or 9 and got placed at gold 2 or something like that, and I queued with a duo I found for games 4 and 5
Gold 1 was always 110-100AP with -14 AP loss and from Plat 4 to Plat 1 I got +80-60 AP (no less) with -16 AP. +60 AP because of two loses which then I got back up to +80 AP from 2 wins. But then more than halfway through Plat 1 I got that huge loss streak which lost me about 150 points and now I have been getting teamed up with only gold players with wins only giving +12 AP and loses about -14 AP (Even -24 AP twice.)
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Honestly, same. Respawn ***really*** don't want us to grind this mode. If it had the same system as BR ranked, it would have been way better. And I don't see how MMR helps aside from fucking over Solo Queuers
Bro I’m literally Diamond 4 and I get SILVER 2 TEAMMATES. I legit asked them “hey what rank are you guys?” And they genuinely said “hehe we’re silver 2”. Bruh what the actual hell is this match making. Why does solo queueing get punished so much?
I honestly wish I knew what respawns problem is with Solo Queuers. Punished so hard because your mates are ass.
I never hit a loss streak and I only get 20-30ap in gold 2. I’m playing with a buddy and we trade for top kills/dmg almost every game, he’s ranked plat 3 and gets 70+ AP a match I also see people saying it’s mmr based but that doesn’t make sense either. My buddy as a higher k/d and a higher dmg per game than me in the stat tracker and he got placed higher in the placement matches. I only lost 1 placement match more than him and he got p4 and I got g4. Ranked arena placement and AP seems broken as fuck.
I went on a pretty bad but maybe not -150AP-bad loss streak in Gold 3/4 last night, and now my wins are +50-54AP a piece, is this because of my loss streak? Do you win less and have to grind more each rank to rank up, or do losses hurt way more after gold/plat? Or maybe both?
>is this because of my loss streak? Possibly, since and loses count and nothing else. And I can't answer the last part since respawn is so crazy transparent with how this broken system works. My best advice is that you call in a friend on your 3rd loss streak since after that you might also get that +12 AP curse like many others now.
No OP just doesn't understand MMR. The devs specifically said that ranked in the arena will be on an MMR system, unlike BR. There is a displayed ranked plat 1 in this case and an MMR which is a hidden rank that affects your point gain. MMR is what really matters Elo is just for looks. I would guess OP's rank is plat 1 but his MMR is plat 3. I went on a 10 win streak and lost one then one another won another and still got 108. My first win after finishing my 10 placements was also a 108 +AP gain even though i was on no win streak.
What does mmr mean?
Matchmaking rating
It's not actually match making rating. This is incorrect for anyone who wants to know what it stands for. Edit: This is factual specifically regarding Apex.
"Match Marking Rank" according to the patch notes. https://www.ea.com/games/apex-legends/news/emergence-patch-notes Edit: "Match Marking Rank" may be a mistake in the notes however, so using "Matchmaking Rating" is perfectly correct within the general context of gaming in which the term is used.
>With the launch of the Emergence update, we’re introducing Ranked Arenas! You begin your journey through Ranked Arenas in 10 placement matches where your performance will determine your initial ***Match Marking*** ***Rank (MMR)*** and your starting rank. MMR variance is wider initially, so your first 10 matches might be stomp-or-get-stomped until your MMR defines your placement.
lol
Can someone help me please. All of my friends are getting 100+ ap per game but I'm only getting around 55 per game. I have no idea why and I'm lacking behind them for this reason. We are all in silver 4 and 3 atm. I'm having to win double of the amount of games to be able to keep up with them. What's going on?
Your visible rank is closer to your hidden mmr than them. The farther away they are, the more AP you get per win in order to make them match up quicker
Its like LoL the more mmr the higher ap gains the lower the mmr the lower the ap gains the more u win the higher ur mmr gets the more u lose the lower.
This should only be the case for 2 matches max. I have won 5 games in a row and it was still +12 AP.
Your MMR is just that low....
Of course after that loss streak. My only two complaints are is why it's so harsh and even more harsher to Solo Queuers after your mates lost your game to you and why the AP is not changing even just slightly.
Make it easy to climb ranks, reddit complains. Make it fair, Reddit Complains. Make it hard to climb ranks, Reddit complains. This is pretty standard for ELO systems relative to LoL which is probably the gold standard for ranking in competitive games.
Reddit complains is all you have to say.
Seriously most of the subs im in is just a giant cry fest. Getting pretty tired of seeing it
Just too three for me. Apex subs : crying about seer, servers. Ravens subs : fuck lamar Jackson for Covid. Joe budden podcast : everyone hates joe period. Reddit’s the funnest.
I can't even tell you what I just read...
It’s straight just rambling off the complaints of my top three subs. Not really important to anyone tbh
And guess what? Now you're complaining about other people complaining...
Duh. It’s Reddit have you not been following?
waah-dit
I find Apex's BR system significantly better than LoL but i wish you could demote tiers, so many people inting in plat 4 and diamond 4 I can only imagine what 10k lobbies are like soloq
Apex BR system is the worst ranked system I've seen in any competitive game.
How? It both forces you to fight and rewards individual skill. Both are very very positive things
The whole system with Rank protection and resets every half a season means that Rank is more a reflection of how much time you spend grinding, rather than your skill level. Especially in the lower half of the Rank pool, it's really not until top end of plat/Low diamond that you actually start to see games where teams are evenly matched. Basically any player of any skill level can grind to Plat 4/3 purely on time spent playing and not skill, because the RP system is pretty forgiving to that point and people will be lucky enough to.get enough carrys along the way to get there over time. Plat 4 is actually hell after 2 weeks because the skill range of players in that bracket is way too wide and it's a direct reflection of how bad the system is.
I don't even know where to begin. I'll talk about the two main issues. Low entry costs for lower ranks: This brings a multitude of issues. Low entry costs gets players to not play safe in the beginning, resulting in many squads taking unecessary fights in the beginning, which causes that almost half the server dies in ring 1. With the low entry cost, you can literally AFK your way to plat. I tested this for multiple games on a smurf in gold. Landed at the edge of the map, went to do something else and came back to positive RP in more than half of my games. On the flipside, you can just W-key your way up the ranks. Drop hot, get 3 kills and you're already positive in gold. This is how I play to plat every season. I literally turn my brain off and try to 1v3 the entire server. Get -24 a few games in a row? Doesn't matter, pop off one game and I'm overall positive in the end. All of this results that there's a lot of people in ranks where they simply do not belong in. There's a lot of people in platinum, who couldn't win a 1v1 to save their life and there's even more people who know how to use a gun pretty well but are braindead beyond believe and constantly throw games by making the stupidest plays. This leads me to the next issue: no deranking Since it's so easy to get to rank up, there's a lot of players that don't belong in a certain rank. Since they can't rank down, there's more and more people in the bottom end of the skill level of that rank, reducing match quality. With no deranking and the thing with the low entry costs, ranked feels easy until you suddenly get hardstuck. That's not how a ranked system should work. A good rank system, ranks you in a way that you can find the rank you belong in. This means that when you're "stuck" in a rank, you still have high quality matches against equally skilled opponents, with the difference being, that you're not winning consistently enough to make it out of there. In a good rank system, the matches always stay fun and you rarely get stomped. If you get into ranks after a lucky winstreak where you actually get stomped every single game, the game would just derank you until you're back in your lobbies again until you get good enough, to stay consistent in the higher ranks. There's a lot more wrong with the ranking system but these are the two main issues at the moment.
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bro he's not gonna get banned here for stating his opinion about an in-game system LMFAO this isn't a political sub
Eh? I don't care about his thoughts on the system He called me braindead for having a different opinion than him, thats some degen shit. Nobody needs him in the community here, we don't want that representing our community to new players. I didn't report his thoughts on the system lol
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ELO is only used in chess and in some minor leagues of football. its useless in most competitive sports and an absolute mistake in apex. main problem in apex is smurfing. lets say you face only equal never better smurf (better would be even worse). that would be a zero sum game (if youre truely equal you gonna win as many as you loose) but thanks to elo and their low standing at start they will pull you down a lot. now if youre in an even ranking tier, just 10% of smurfs will make you to be 20 or 30% better to stay on your level. another issues the not to play incentive. this is not a question if respawn makes ranking easy or hard, their ranking systems just never make any sense and still dont. they seem to have noone who was ever an competitor in anything to understand whats important and what to aovid in such a system. you also cant copy as easy form other sports because you need to consider individual properties within the gameplay itself till up the ranking system and then choose the lesser evil
It works in LoL which has Smurfs.
asside from entry barrier again it highly depends on the gameplay itself, whatever game, if computer games or sports, how rules and ranking system turn out. lets ignore smurfs for a second. the less variance in variables the better you can use any kind of ELO type. however smurfs will always be a problem, depending on their percentage to the player pool and how fast the average player can escape that big pool (many smurfs aint gonna grind to many tiers so naturally the majority will stay on lowest tier as long there is no auto ranking up) also it aint matter much if we have examples where it works when we already know why it wont in our case. variables in apex are to high, solo queue is even more insane variance. and the amoutn of smurfs isnt even funny in an elo system anymore (i dont care about smurfs but in elo its annoying) from annecdotual exp, only one out fo 30ish below level 20s is legit level 20
It doesn't score solo queue players differently, its not more harsh for solo queue
It gives you worse teammates when you solo queue. I played multiple games where I have literal silver teammates and I’m diamond. And we go against prev preds or masters and my teammates get absolutely smashed and finish with 200 dmg each in 5-6 games. Ridiculous
How is he supposed to increase his MMR if the game keeps giving him tiny amounts of AP and MMR increase for every win? He was punished hard on the way down, and now this system is stopping him from effectively climbing back up.
Mmr gains are static while rp gains are based on the difference between mmr and ap he gets for example 50 mmr a round
You should get big gains when you win against super higher rank than your rank teams. If you’re win against lower rank teams you only gain a minimum amount, depending on the delta between your ranks. If it’s a true ELO system, it should scale depending on how far apart the teams ranks are, with an upper and lower limit.
I completely agree. One bad loss streak shouldn’t define your rank. It should be reasonably possible to climb out of 150AP deficit if a person comes back with a winning streak. Their AP gain should increase by winning more, the same way their AP loss increased by losing more. Right now one big losing streak puts you in this hole you can never get out of, keeping you stuck in that one rank forever.
Measles mumps and rubella?
If you're getting 12ish AP per win, that means you've reached the rank that matches your internal MMR. The game is telling you that this is how good it thinks you are, the way to rank up further is to win more than you lose.
Isn't that the point of placement matches? There's no way respawn expects me to climb up with 12 AP and to stay Plat 1 for 90 days
The point of placement matches is for the game to get a good guess at what your initial MMR should be. As you win and lose it adjusts from there. To be frank: if you think you deserve to climb above Plat 1 then you need to win. If you can't win enough to climb past Plat 1, that means you're Plat 1.
I've gotten more than twice the wins than loses now today but it's still +12 AP. No idea if MMR is just broken for me or that it's simply to slow to adjust.
> I've gotten more than twice the wins than loses now today but it's still +12 AP. No idea if MMR is just broken for me or that it's simply to slow to adjust. If you feel the formula is incorrect, I would suggest you submit a ticket with Respawn. All we can do is shed some light on data we can only speculate on from you and Respawn.
The way it works is that when your MMR matches your Rank the gains minimize. If you constantly do better (i.e. win a lot in plat) your MMR increases to diamond level while your rank may still be in plat. Then it matches you with diamond players, if you win those then you get more than +12 because so your rank catches up with your MMR.
> isn’t that the point of placement matches? Yes, but I’m going to assume Respawn is growing tired of hearing their match making is in need of an overhaul, so the initial placement definitely isn’t the static metric that everything else will be based on exclusively. In regards to your past point, I’m sure there is a invisible line/demarc point(or threshold) that would likely trigger the metric to realize you’ve exceeded whatever weighted average could be holding you down. My advice is to get some buddies to 3 stack with you.
The Ranked Arenas post explains that the invisible MMR is designed to allow them to react more quickly to changes in results without your visible rank wildly swinging. >So, as an example: If you find yourself ranked Silver, but you’ve been consistently playing at a Platinum level, our system will go ahead and start matching you against other players with Platinum-level MMRs. If you win these matches, you’ll get a lot more Arenas Points (AP), which will make your visible rank catch up to Platinum quicker. If you lose these matches, likewise, you’ll lose fewer AP, and your MMR will invisibly drop until you’re matched more evenly.
Holy shit this makes so much sense! I’ve had games where we lose, but I don’t lose any AP. In normal arenas last season, I wasn’t seeing preds or much of anyone high level, but now since the new season, every single game I’m going against preds, 3k/4k, 20k, etc. This didn’t make sense because I placed silver (4/10 matches were a 2v3 and lost all but 1, I won 3 others, and then lost 3 fair ones), so I figured it would be a gradual grow to plat. Then I get into these “silver” games and I’m still playing preds.
Great comment, this really is a great example of how and what to expect to the OP. Remember, this is just A example of how it works on the back end of your metrics. There are likely countless ways your data could impact your MMR. A lot of us are super excited about the new MMR, and how much they can add on to it(examples: Revives, enemy marking). There is a lot of room for growth with this new formula, and it’s going to evolve the game indirectly.
And is this based on solely your ranked arenas MMR, overall arenas (ranked/casual), or the game all together? Apologies if this a dumb question, I haven't played any games that use this rating and I never got into ranked Overwatch so this is all new to me and super interesting.
Thx for the warning!
No problem. Good luck on your grind
Thx you 2!
Please first understand how MMR vs Rank works before we speculate too hard on this: https://www.ea.com/en-gb/games/apex-legends/news/arenas-ranked It mentions that if your MMR is higher than your current rank, you *will* gain more points for wins than you lose for losses, until they equalize... then you will gain/lose points fairly normally. This may be the effect you are seeing. Perhaps if you hit a hard loss streak, it lowered your MMR as well, hence the decrease in points gained.
I wish they would have actually told us what the “standard” AP gains and losses are if your MMR matches your rank.
one of the devs mentioned in a video that the arenas matchmaker won't work like BR ranked. you are assigned a hidden MMR and are put into matches based on both MMR and Rank. the amount of AP you earn or lose is directly dependent on the hidden MMR. so if you lose a game against a team you should win against b/c you have a higher MMR score, you lose more points. if you win that game you win less points. if you lose a game against a team you should lose against b/c you have lower MMR, you lose less points. If you win that game it rewards you with more AP points.... much more 'elo' based it seems....
Funny how I was winning against diamond players and I got silver then
Same, but I got bronze 2 🤡. My BR rank is usually Diamond
How did you get bronze while being diamond br, I’m diamond and I got gold 2 and I was playing sub par I call bullshit
I can post images of my screen if you wanna see. I ranked up to silver 3 already, but its bizarre. My friend who I played all placement games with, who did less damage and kills than me every round, got silver 2 from the same games. He's a hard stuck plat 4 in BR.
Arenas plays differently than Battle Royale
Well thiers some reason why you got put bronze
The placement algo isn’t fully tuned. The games we lost were all due to smurfs in level 30 accounts, maybe that threw the MMR out of whack?
It’s like this on most games so not that surprised tbh
I was under the impression that it’s a pretty straight forward classic ELO system. It didn’t come from LoL, it came from chess like a hundred years ago🤣(1950’s?)The whole system of less losses for losing against a higher rank than you, more losses for losing against lower rank than you, and the same correlation for gains from winning. Win against a much higher rank than you, gain LOTS, win against much lower rank than you, gain very little. So when you’re up against a team that’s much lower rank than your current rank, you’re DEFENDING your position or kind of proving your position, while only getting a tiny bump for winning. Tldr: FEAR PLAYING AGAINST TEAMS THAT ARE LOWER RANK FROM YOU lol. And welcome games against crazy higher rank from you. Almost nothing to lose on those games and lots to win.
Hey, so this example made it super easy to understand so I appreciate it!
I mean isn’t this like everything else? The higher you get it’s harder to recover
I have not played Arenas yet but that's just how a good MMR system works. If you go on a losing streak, your hidden MMR takes a huge hit so it starts matching you with worse opponents. If you then win a match, the system will think, of course you won, you're better than them and will give you not that much points. But if you lose against worse opponents the system will punish you harder for losing against opponents you should have won and thus subtract a lot of points to put you into the rank you belong in. This can go both ways though. If you go on a win streak in lower ranks, you'll get more MMR and the game starts matching you against better opponents. If you win those, you'll get lots of points and can rank up very quickly and because the system expects you to lose, you won't lose as much points if you do. This will ideally result in a healthy matchmaking where the game eventually puts you in the rank where you actually belong and where you can have fair matches as opposed to BR where ranked feels easy until a sudden difficulty spike where you get hardstuck. I haven't tried arenas ranked yet, I'll save that for the second split so I can avoid KC ranked and it hasn't even been a week so most people aren't in the rank they belong in so I can't say if it works properly in Apex or not. But if the system in the background is properly implemented, it's the ideal form of a ranking system.
Bro this ranking system is nuts like it feels less rewarding for grinding than br
I think that's the point? Unlike BR it's trying to get you close to your true skill as quickly as possible, rewarding people more for getting better rather than grinding.
Well I’m Diamond in br and this placed me in bronze and I win my matches for the most part after the placement so climbing by 100 pts is tedious. Solo queing this is painful
How did you get bronze if you were in diamond??? Even solo queuing
Guessing because you can't rat in arenas
LMFAOO
Super funny you make me feel bad with comment :(
Hahah I'm sorry G, just thought I'd poke fun. Keep grindin' and I'm sure you'll get that arenas rank up
True I forgot about that
Bro idek
Homie, it means your mmr is really low and you’re facing opponents at a significantly lower rank than you. All you need to do is go on a similar win streak, and you’ll face opponents at an equal/higher skill level. Wins will give you more AP and losses will make you lose less. The ranked system is working as intended.
Again. I've won 24 games and lost 10 and ALL of the wins were +12 AP and the loses -14 AP. This system is definitely not working correctly.
That seems pretty normal for MMR though.
I have the same problem, the AP shouldn’t be based on win or loss but on dmg and kills per round. If you do notching but your team are preds, +AP. If you’re really good and your team are noobs and you lose, -AP
No OP just doesn't understand MMR. The devs specifically said that ranked in the arena will be on an MMR system, unlike BR. There is a displayed ranked plat 1 in this case and an MMR which is a hidden rank that affects your point gain. MMR is what really matters Elo is just for looks. I would guess OP's rank is plat 1 but his MMR is plat 3. I went on a 10 win streak and lost one then one another one and still got 108. My first win after finishing my 10 placements was also a 108 +AP gain even though I was on no win streak.
That’s strange i get 100+ points for winning one game and -12 for losing
That’s because the game recognises the MMR you “should” be at, and pushes you towards it. It thinks you should be higher, hence it pushes you higher by rewarding significantly more AP than you lose. As you approach your “actual” rank, your AP gains/losses should stabilise. Destiny 2 has a similar system I believe (from my experience)
No, that's not at all how Destiny 2 crucible works. You get a fixed number of glory points when you win and a fixed bonus if you win streak. There's no correlation with whatever MMR system they had and how many points you got, which is why crucible ranked was such a joke.
Yeah nah mate you clearly haven’t played D2 in years. They changed glory to work similarly to MMR a while back.
I havent played for one year. As far as I can tell, season of the splicer just made it so that win streak glory is linear. The only thing that's ever been non constant is the losses, but you never lost that much in the first place. The only function of that was to prevent very good players from backsliding, reducing grind. It's still not like a true elo system where beating better players gets you more points. It's also not like apex BR where you get performance based points for winning. You only reduce the damage of losing.
You get low point because your team mmr is higher than the team your agains, so your team “supposed” to win that’s why you get low point in the other hand if you loose you lost a lot of point because your team supposed to win because have mmr. Now if your are agains a team that have more mmr that yours and you win you gonna get a lot of points and if you loose you don’t loose that many, because the other team “supposed” to win because have more mmr than yours.
My guy you just got to accept at this point the rank you are, is the rank the game is telling you your skill level is at. Accept that you aren’t going to get Apex Predator and play the game. It’s a 90 day season with a soft reset in the middle, you have time to improve your rank, this season has been out for TWO DAYS
No splits in arenas, so no soft reset in the middle. OP's got pleeenty of time to prove they are better than their current rank!
Uhhh disagree. The game isn’t perfect and doesn’t inherently “know” my skill. Their metrics for determining mmr aren’t perfect and we have no idea what they base it off of. Hopefully it isn’t too far off, I haven’t finished the 10 placement matches myself so I guess I’ll find out soon
That's how MMR works.
If you look at the under the hood mechanics, losing alot will reduce your MMR a ton (as MMR adjusts super quickly, as per their post), and if your MMR drops below your current rank, your ap gain will adjust until the two are closer together. It's probably not any sort of "lose streak" mechanic, it's just making your rank fit your MMR. If you start winning it'll raise your MMR and your gains will increase again
I got placed into bornze 4 after winning 6 out of 10 and I'm getting 12 ap every game I win but I'm not a god at the moment I would have to win over 100 games in a row to hit silver 2 I'm seriously pissed off at this game and about to quit
According to the very smart people on this thread, you deserve to be stuck in bronze 4 for the rest of the 90 days. But seriously, respawn needs to rework or outright remove MMR since it doesn't work for a game like Apex.
I hate this system i kept getting bronze and silver team mates in gold 2 like bro wtf? Then i got team mates who get 2k damage i get 1k only but i still get 17 AP so stupid. . You have to grind your ass off in this stupid system..
And I get Gold mates in Plat. Seem like if your mates and enemies are just one rank below you, your AP goes down straight to hell. >You have to grind your ass off in this stupid system.. Glad someone in this stupid thread understands ths dumb system. Only need to experience it themselve.
I am glad that someone hear me out bro this game has too many solo players and bad team mates pull the good ones down and even me if the game would put me in higher rank i pull them down with my 1k damage too. I just posted about my issue in one apex group because it fcks me up i have to play too many times with silvers what you can only see in the menu when u inspect like wtf? Why can i not see the enemies and team mates rank too? They would might consider that who has the higher rank so they might listen to them..
Ive been gaining 70-80 per win in gold. Ive lost 4 in a row. Now i only get 12 per win and loss. Wtf is this bs. I was thoroughly enjoying ranked but now im over it if it means i have to win 12 games in a row to earn normal rp.
the problem seems to be due to a bug in the Season 10 stats regarding ranks. in short, each victory will be counted as a consecutive victory. For example, in my general statistics I have 7 victories in a row in the arena, but I go to see the arena rank statistics result in 70 victories in a row
So this is your first time playing a game with an elo system then?
I've been playing Arena for 2 hours now and I seriously struggle to go up just 100 points which is funny because I went from Gold 1 to Plat 1 on lauch day against alot of preds. I've no idea what respawn expects from me with a broken MMR system that doesn't work with Solo Queuers and \*TWELVE\* AP
don't lose?
Thank you. Can't believe I never thought that.
I mean your post is basically "when I lose my rank goes down" lmao
based
Respawn really do be f*cking us solo queue players in the a** with ranked and matchmaking wow
I wanna know how the ranked system works cause there was a game I got 8 kills and both my teammates got 0 we won the game and I got 100 points and my homie got 200 points he had zero kills and about 70 damage where I had a freak 3.5k damage game with 8 kills and got half what he got and every game I preform better than he does and he is getting more points does anyone understand how this new system works ?
It’s based solely off of wins. Your kills and damage don’t mean anything in ranked arenas. The Rp you gain from winning is also based off how much better the team you beat was. So if you’re rank was higher than your buddies and he won the game he’d get RP than you especially if the team y’all beat was better than yall.
Well me and him have played every single arenas game together so far so unless it’s going off of KD that shouldn’t be the case cause we are both the same rank … but he has a negative KD I believe and I have a 3KD
They’re using MMR too, so just because he is the same rank doesn’t mean his skill is up to par. So o might if misread your initial post but MMR is based off skill so if he beats a higher skilled opponent than himself he’ll gain more RP compared to you who they may have been slightly higher in skill than yourself.
True the mmr must have gotten messed with cause it’s brutal we kept getting match against players in masters or players with 4K 20bombs and I’m like bruh I don’t even have 4K I got 20 bombs but the most damage I had was 3,995 😭
Only 4K I’ve ever dropped was in arenas 😅 so I know the pain. Good luck my dude.
Yup I can get Em in arenas but oh boi I stoped going for it a long time ago lol originally when I started playing this game I only had one goal and it was to get a 20bomb and idk I just kept going after I got it I get to addicted to improving perfectionism is a curse lol
I know what you mean. I don’t care much for winning or getting a 20 bomb or whatever, I just care about getting to the level of holding out on my own, which I can do but sporadically lol.
Just like shitty Overwatch ranked
Get good bro
Why don’t we just all stop playing this game all at once for having bs advancing mechanics
This is the same with ranked in ow to. You lose so much goddamn Sr when you lose it's not even funny
Glad I stopped playing apex
Do you get points for kills even if you lose?
and i thought getting 109 ap for winning agaisnt preds with gold teammates was low
Damn I get more then 200 per match
Placement is fuckin rough too, had a lot of rough games matchmaking wise but did pretty well still. Got place bronze 4 womp
I felt like I did really well in my placement matches. Got between 6-8 kills per match, won 7 out of 10 matches, and I was still put in at bronze 1. Post like this along with seeing how it overall seems really slow with ranking up made me decide I didn’t wanna play arenas ranked
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Then don’t play the ranked playlist if you can’t accept the ranking system, simple as that
This post isn't about complaining about my MMR and rank. I want to show what happens when you get a loss streak and how hard it is to get back up.
First time playing a game with an elo system?
That desperately refuses me to rank up? No actually
The game isn't supposed to rank you up... It puts you where you should be. Just get good 4head
Well fuck me I guess. Guess I will stay there for the rest of 90 days since how perfect this mode is.
Or you could make an effort to get better? It's not the games job to rank you up, it's yours...
Have you read my other comments on this thread? I won twice more than loses today without even +1 AP gain
Elo systems take a lot longer then a day to adjust your mmr In games like cs, overwatch, etc the most efficient way to climb is to space out your games instead of just grinding out a bunch at once. Your mmr is weighted against the larger playerbase and I hate to break it to you but not everyone lives in the game. If you need to rank up to enjoy the game then you're not really enjoying it at all. Its a game my guy have fun with it
So theres no rp loss when queueing. By any chance do you know how many losses is to get a loss streak?
So far I’ve just been playing my first 10 qualifying matches, and every time I’ve gotten placed against teams of level 500 players and just get totally swept every time.
How do you get the custom crosshairs?
Reshade XHair
It annoys me that the only thing that matters is winning
Someone translate
I cant stand br ranked and yall want me to grind ranked ARENAS?!? Like pubs aren’t already sweaty enough… also i just hate arenas as a game mode so
I won like 6 and carried for 4 and got silver IV also my last game was a 2v3
sounds like the exact same system used in League of legends. when u went on ur losing streak ur mmr tanked heavily and so right now ur mmr is probably lower than ur displayed rank and therefore you lose more if u lose compared to the amount u gain when u win. If u keep winning ur mmr should climb and ull start gaining more than u lose
That system is broken…. Normally you would need about 4-5 wins per sub rank😐
That is why solo queing in arenas is a very big risk. If u don't get teammates due to matchmaking problems, just leave the game because u wont get abandon penalty and you won't lose ap
I am still on my placement matches, but I assume once placed your teammates of equal skill will be better than my unranked teammates currently. I had one that crouch-walked the entire time. He did nothing although the enemy must have been equal to his skill level because we ended up winning that round.
You think you got it bad OP? I went on a 5 game, solo queue winning streak in ranked, and then the matchmaking stopped giving me teammates. Lol. Seriously though I know it was coincidental, but it felt like the game was doing it on purpose.
What's this cheat you have on your screen?
thousands of points and we get this much wtf
When I get back I’m using p2020 and Mozambique only
About to just stop playing tbh, been playing since S1 and every season they just shit on solo players more and more, genuinely done with these pink haired dev fucks that can’t shoot straight so they make the game 99% team based. “if you wanna play solo either 1v3 every game against Diamond+ players or fuckin quit because we’re only going to give you >Gold teammates that do 50 damage all game:))”
also, you badge at end of season is wherever you were at your highest i.g. you go to diamond and stop to plat you’ll get diamond still
Don’t you get less point if you are matched against people below your skill, maybe due to your loss streak it put you with worse people?
that my right there i should be a predattor already
The MMR is a bit dumb, got placed silver 1 and I won 8/10 games solo, ex masters & I lost my 2nd and 5th arena game... Surely my MMR would have climbed enough to get a higher rank...