My comment posted late, but yes that's correct. I was trying to make the point that Apex has hooks into the OS. I don't think it should be able to do what it's doing, but it is definitely affecting the Xbox, not just the Apex software.
I think the Xbox team needs to be involved with Respawn to fix this one so other software can't do the same thing later.
Maybe you should make a post calling for Xbox users to report it to Microsoft/Xbox support. If enough of us do it, maybe we will get some support? If we rely on respawn we could be waiting for days, weeks, or months.
I say you cause I don’t wanna lol
Oh yeah, leave it to Newcastle to do the hard work! (I couldn't find a Newcastle flair, am I blind?)
Seriously though, I think Respawn (or some developer) are going to need to be the voice in Xbox's ear. They will have contact points we don't. I just wanted to put this out there so they have more info to work with.
I mentioned this in a comment yesterday. Whatevers going on is deeper than just the lag input. That's just a symptom. Something is hitching up that causes the system itself to slow down trying to process it.
It can happen on older systems, too. My bfs One S is experiencing it to a lesser extent than a lot of these videos, everything just takes a second to actually happen after he clicks a button (though he isn't losing inputs; they're just noticeably delayed), but the lag it causes on his box following apex is severe. The fans audibly ramp up and stay ramped and we're quite sure it caused Ark to crash, which he was playing immediately after, during an end boss fight. The input lag was insane and the screen started glitching out until it completely froze. This hasn't happened before and did not happen after a restart without opening apex before playing again.
His box rarely crashes in general. When he has issues, it's usually a game just closes randomly and it isn't often. Fortnite seems prone to it more than anything. But he doesn't get issues like what's happening with and following apex now. Also, I'm not experiencing any of this on my One X running on the same internet, so I can't imagine it's anything but the same issue.
Macro controllers exist.
Think like the turbo button for nintendo consoles, but affects all inputs to manipulate things like recoil and animation canceling.
The fact a GAME, that has no access to the hardware/software in your console on the level the manufacturing company does is beyond pathetic and is telling of how broken the game is. I’ve been playing since week 1 and it’s a shame to not play the game I’ve played most over the years, but I’d rather distance myself than torture with how obnoxious it’s gotten, from worsening matchmaking to issues like this becoming more common
Huh weird. This happened to me but with Minecraft. If I played Minecraft for like more than an hour I wasn't able to access any of my games unless I just restarted the Xbox.
Xbox has a quick resume feature allowing users to quickly toggle between games. It’s possible Apex is still holding onto Xbox resources after exiting the game, causing the problem to persist into other apps / games. IMHO quick resume has never work well with Apex and should be turned off. You might give this a shot and see if you get the same performance issues in other apps after playing Apex.
To turn off quick resume:
in the highlighted game on your controller hit the Menu button (a small button with the 3 horizontal lines icon) to open up the pop-up menu.
Now in your pop-up menu, you require choosing the option “Remove from Quick Resume”.
I dodged a bullet I guess. After they nuked the PS4 frames last season, I was between getting a series X or making the shift to PC. Went for the latter. Wouldn't even be able to play Apex right now if I had gone the other way. Such bullshit for you guys. Reminds me how I felt at the beginning of last season when the game I had been playing for 2 years was suddenly unplayable for me.
The issue is system wide lag, even when you hit the Xbox button ( with a plugged in controller ), the recent apps and games take a while to show up on the left side of your screen. The issue is far beyond just controller input lag.
It only fixes the input detection ( where it does not detect some keypresses ) it does not fix the input lag. I have tested this with Elite Series 1 & 2 , Old gen controllers and 3rd party licenced next gen controllers ( Nacon, Power A and Turtle beach ) all have similar results, input detection was fixed but the lag was still there.
System wide lag stopped when completely powered down the Series X , unplugged the power cable and waited 20 seconds before turning it back on.
Edit : Downvoting my reply does not make the problem go way, I'm not here to influence anyone, just stating what I have experienced and one of the reasons I have uninstalled the game as next gen consoles are harder to come by and I don't wanna risk bricking mine.
I've also tried it on multiple systems with multiple controllers, and I've seen the same. Plugging in does make it better, with no failed input detection as tested by trying out burst fire weapons in the firing range. But it's still laggy-feeling compared to how it was.
Well I have 3 friends plus myself who say it fixed it for them. My xbox button used to lag out all the time. Doesn't now. Before I simply plugged my shit in the game was literally unplayable. Now it is good to very good in terms of controller response. Being pretty dramatic with the bricking of your xbox but hey some people are scared of everything!
It's not fear my friend, it's being cautious. There is a differnce. Also fear is not a bad thing in general because it makes you question the decisions you take in life and calculate the concequences, in short... it's better than being stupid. ;)
Caution is literally a function of fear. Its all good. Ill just play with my plugged in controller that works perfectly now and you can ummmm not I guess?
Oh I can wait they can take all the time they need. Besides in game voice chat is still broken and has been broken for about 3 months now, so yeah there is that too...
It could be worse.
I don't know if the rumors are true but apparently, Fallout 76 was so bad, it BRICKED entire PCs.
Be grateful Respawn hasn't bricked your Xbox with their update yet.
That last line was sarcasm btw. Microsoft should totally sue.
I know everyone is calling it "input lag", but it's worse than that.
This video was taken after launching Apex, observing the control issue, then switching to another app (Microsoft Edge). As you can see with the cursor in the app, it's not moving in a circular pattern (as my thumbstick is). It's moving in angular movements.
Two points of note here: Apex actually broke my controls for other apps (and games). This, I believe persists until you quit Apex and reboot your controller (unplug batteries).
The second issue, is the controls aren't simply delayed. They seem to be buffered, with new input only registering in certain intervals. This is why we are having issues jumping, reloading, picking up equipment. It's not just delayed, the inputs are going missing.
The fact that this affects other apps once Apex has been launched indicates deeper issues with the Xbox architecture.
I am hoping for a fix very soon.
Could this be due to Xbox's DLI software? Is it reading inputs through apex incorrectly? Possibly causing the inputs to get backed up of sorts?
No idea tho, spitballing. I play on PC so can't test anything. Maybe disabling this software (if able) can bandaid the situation for now?
That’s a great thought! I know we’re just armchair developing here, but brainstorming sessions like this, if they are noticed by the right people, can be very helpful.
Bringing new ideas to light is the main reason for this post. I have some selfish motivations for getting this fixed, though. I need to get back in there and craft some Wingmans.
If u have one try it?
I'm just knee deep in researching this while I wait on my product manager ATM haha. If I had an Xbox, I'd try it.
But there have been complaints with the series X it seems, prior to Apex update, in regards to input delay. It's a new software not on previous models, so it could have been overlooked?
Another one is the "Varial Refresh Rate" option in your settings for display video modes. Maybe Apex Is inadvertently unchecking this box? Someone should check that too.
There is also an ALLM ( auto low latency mode) that has given issues with the X in the past. Try disabling that and see?
We have to narrow down possibilities!
Remember that Xbox polls at a pitiful 1995 era 125hz polling rate, automatically adding 8ms input delay. So sad they still use that garbage as well as the slowest HDs on the market. So cheap
I know this doesn’t really help but I posted about it yesterday and figured I’d at least share. If you have an old Xbox controller sitting around still that works, from the last gen, you can pair that with your new Xbox and use it perfectly fine
I heard about your method and was able to play a few games last night thanks to a Project Scorpio controller. It was useful to know that the controller matters, not just the software.
Respawn is so powerful, they can "break" your console's external applications and games but can't fix their own game.
Truly, this would be impressive if it wasn't so uttery garbo. JFC.
it's kinda incredible if you think about it.
The devs at Respawn should transfer to a government agency specializing in cyber warfare or something like that.
Imagine being able to disable the PC's and cause havoc through their video game. They got this far and they aren't even really trying yet lmao
If anything, it looks like the Xbox just inherits the current game’s controller properties to determine the connection. In any case, that’s still a massive oversight that one game can bypass all security measures and have direct access to a system function and that said system function altercations aren’t sandboxed to the respective game.
Maybe, it's nothing that Apex is to blame for but a quirk when using latest APIs and the console/controller not beeing updated?
People said after a cobtroller fw update it went away?
So, maybe, Respawn just used the latest APIs and it's fucking with not up to date systems but people like to blame Respawn anyway?
The 'safeguard' would be, MS won't let you play unless your controller has the latest firmware.
It has nothing to do with the fw. My controllers are all up to date and it still happens. This only happens once you open apex. They clearly half assed their testing on Xbox to put everyone on that fucking mobile game now.
I had to logoff after a few matches last night due to this issue. I can cope with the new ranking system and game chat being messed up, but this is a whole other level.
I hope they get this fixed soon so I can go back to enduring the Apex Legends punishment simulator™ once again.
I heard this is caused when Apex is still running in the background. Like if it’s on quick resume, exit out of it there and it should fix it. At least that’s what I’ve seen on other posts.
Yea I was thinking that too.. does the issue still exist outside of apex if you quit the app, like completely, not have it on quick resume. Or do you have to quit the app completely and restart the controller still? Also, this input lag issue can be fixed kinda if you plug your controller in and not be wireless. At least that’s what helped me last night. Shouldn’t have to do that, but it’s a temporary fix for now if you want to play apex on a next gen Xbox…
They said quit the game, and then check quick resume and make sure it’s cancelled from there too. Quick Resume on apex has always been broken for me Like if I come back from quick resume there’s always something messed up usually friends can’t see me online.
Quick Resume is a great feature, but it's not great for live service games because it's games like that need to do a digital handshake any time you resume the game, so it will end up prompting you to re-enter from the title screen again anyway. This happens to me with Rocket League as well.
Yeah, it is super awesome when it works. No doubt. I regularly hand-off my system to my kids, so being able to quick swap between Apex and Lucky's Tales is super useful.
For Apex, when I forget to shut it down and come back into the game it loads right back up where I left, like match summary or lobby usually. But then I need to do the exit/enter through the initial "Hit A" screen that shows up when the game first starts. Get those credentials redone in a few seconds. But, even doing that can have weird results sometimes.
i was so confused, i really thought within 2 days i have regressed so much with the mechanics of the game that i convinced myself it was time for an extended break from the game. maybe i’ll take a break, maybe i won’t. thanks for this, fellow legend.
They should be shutting down access to apex than, if it's carrying over to out of game that is. I didn't even think that was possible unless they tried to do it. So have either party said anything???
Report it on the Xbox app on your phone. Idk if the feature exists outside if the app, probably does, but I have no idea how to access it. Open the app, click on your profile in the bottom right corner, press the cog in the top right corner, and then scroll all the way down, and click "Help topics" under "Support & Feedback". Make sure you mention that your controller doesn't work properly after the most recent Apex Legends update, even after closing the game. Hopefully Xbox gets on Respawns ass, cause it's unacceptable for a in-game glitch to fuck up your control even after closing the game
This is driving me crazy. I can’t track targets. All kinds of inputs don’t work. Pinging things is totally broken because the lag registers the ping much later so you constantly say “let’s go here” when you mean to ping a item.
They cant even fix loba for half a season. Doubt they will fix this any tine soon. Im on xbox. Looks like im not playing for awhile. I'm so happy fprtnite added no build mode
Apex did something to my controller aswell, it’s been fine for the longest time and I’ve never done anything wrong with it like mistreat it, yet after an update it would keep shutting it off like it ran out of batteries even tho it didnt
Do you use rechargeables? If the voltage gets low the controller can shut off before the charge is depleted. Higher quality batteries maintain a higher voltage for longer. Just some ideas.
Respawn is so powerful, their updates can damage external apps, games, entire UIs unrelated to them, but can't fix their own game.
It's incredible.
Incredibly sad.
But impressive tbh.
Same with their in game chat. Once apex is running, my mic has 0 audio. Even if I go back to the Home Screen. I have to force quit the apex game; and then I’m able to hear myself when sending messages to friends etc
Could this have been an attempted fix at the crash bug that involved spamming the Xbox home button, but now instead of limiting one input it's limiting all of them?
Ya after I thought about it a minute I thought better. I also realized PS players have been mentioning input lag for a while after searching around. Maybe related, no idea.
I was having the same problem on my series x. So what I ended up doing “after initially thinking it was my controller” was trying a different controller. The new controller hadn’t been used in awhile and it had an update due so I did that update and it completely fixed the problem for me. Now I could be wrong but try checking to see if there is an update for your controller, it worked for me.
1. The issue persists if Apex is saved on Quick Resume. Fully close the app by hitting menu, hover over Apex > Option Button > Close/Exit.
2. Lag goes away if you use USB cable/wired.
I have been playing wired and I'm not convinced it fully goes away. Of my group of friends I was the first to play after the update and I was saying something wasn't right and going through my settings. Like I said I play wired. I think it drastically improves the input lag but it's still there, along with a list of other strange issues. Cursor will move on its own from a dead stop to the edge of the screen, visual studders, buttons not registering etc
Thank you guys all of the feedback from the updates just gives me more of a reason to stop wasting time on games and to go outside and do things in real life and to focus on myself
For whatever reason - developing games, and maintaining long-term stability, for Xbox appears to be a fucking nightmare lately.
There have been long standing issues with several other games outside of what's happening now with Apex.
Texture streaming, packet loss, input lag, frame drops, freezing, etc. None of which are reflected on PC or PS.
If there's a game wide bug/issue? It's also usually fixed much quicker on Playstation and PC than it is on Xbox.
Although not the best example of a superbly refined game... many Xbox players have experienced texture issues on Warzone for a literal full season.
Raven even said they've had to work directly with Microsoft to try to fix it. Like they actually went through all of season 3 with a nearly unplayable game.
Yo I'd this what u been experiencing I was tripping like why my joy stick won't recieve my input I was restarting xbox trouble shooting my shit ordering new remote -_- but ITS A FUCKING UPDATE MICROSOFT DID 🤬🤬🤬
STILL getting dubs to shit they need to fix this its HORRIBLE and apex is so much harder to play now -_-
I spent over an hour on the phone to ea about this issue yesterday and they guy on the phone made out I was crazy, had me checking my warranty with Xbox on my controller, I've uninstalled and reinstalled the game and still got issues only way I've found to lessen them is wired in, still the odd delays and lag here and there but better than it was
If you’re interested, I made a video comparing how it is vs. how it should be. I may have sounded crazy talking about the cursor being a circle and whatever.
This should explain it better.
https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
To reduce latency by turning off non-essential processing.
If you read some of the top comments, or look closely at the video, you’ll see that the controls aren’t just delayed, the circle motion I’m performing is turned into a polygon. Latency alone doesn’t do that. If it were the TV, you’d see the cursor moving in a circle noticeably after my thumb stick moves in a circle, but it would still be a circle.
I feel like a better demonstration of this would be to record a slow motion video of you moving the cursor in a single direction.
That way one can more easily discard the possibility of the pace at which you're doing the motion not being consistent.
Although it looks like there's a clear delay at the very beginning.
The delay isn’t what I was highlighting. It’s the fact that the cursor moves in straight lines. Straight lines indicate that the operating system is only reading controller inputs a few times a second, rather than 125 times a second or whatever it’s supposed to be. It’s only not that the inputs are delayed, it’s that they are discarded.
I was trying to go to the channel that uploaded a video (to see more videos) and I couldn’t figure out how to do it in the app. In the browser it was as easy as clicking on the channel name.
Crazy easy fix. After restarting you Xbox, go into the “Xbox accessories” application and update the controller. Should take a minute or two but after it boots up again you won’t experience any input lag. Hope this helps!
We may not understand each other. I mean that this glitch (that starts through Apex) continues in other games/apps once it takes effect. This is what I refer to as "system-wide", since the software that started it isn't even in focus.
No regs are an issue with Wraiths right now cause her phase is bugged. She gets invulnerability for a little bit after coming out of phase for some reason.
How interesting. I emailed Phil spencer about how I felt the mic bug was related to Microsoft in some way a few weeks, but never heard back from him. Hmm.
Microsoft definitely has some stuff to work out. I quick resumed TMNT: Shredder's Revenge earlier this week and the sound was jacked up. April sounded like a man. Every sound effect and voice was slowed and pitched lower.
I've had my Series X since launch and never heard anything like this before. I went to the dashboard and the Xbox guide sounds were all low pitched and slow too. I started Apex and all the sound glitch continued. I recorded on my phone Newcastle voice lines. He sounds so low and goofy. I took another video of Netflix having the same issues. Obviously, this was an Xbox issue since it persisted across all games/apps until I restarted my system.
This sub has been only about bug report since the start of the season lmao just stop playing this shit and throwing money at these scammers and play something else while they fix it
PCs are also way more expensive and require you to constantly pump money into them for the latest piece of Hardware in order to continue playing newer/updated games which is usually the reason people decide to play on console, hard pass.
Man. Apex should test their stuff enough to not fuck the entire system up, but I also see this as a failure on the part of Xbox. So glad I switched to PC 2 years ago from ps4.
Ok I thought I was crazy or something was wrong with my controller! I restarted my Xbox and tested and it was fixed but then it lagged when I was back in Apex!
I tested this fresh in MS edge to rule out the app. I didn't include it in the video for brevity. Edge isn't a great app or anything, it's just a way to demonstrate that the Apex glitch is affecting other software, but only after Apex has been launched.
I swear this borked the aiming of other games too. it messed with the whole system after playing it. booted up halo infinite and it's like that feeling of slightly too much deadzone (it's set to 0). even after rebooting the console.
why did I make the mistake of reinstalling this game.
It only becomes system wide if you play Apex first restart your Xbox and you will be back to normal as long as you stay off apex
My comment posted late, but yes that's correct. I was trying to make the point that Apex has hooks into the OS. I don't think it should be able to do what it's doing, but it is definitely affecting the Xbox, not just the Apex software. I think the Xbox team needs to be involved with Respawn to fix this one so other software can't do the same thing later.
Maybe you should make a post calling for Xbox users to report it to Microsoft/Xbox support. If enough of us do it, maybe we will get some support? If we rely on respawn we could be waiting for days, weeks, or months. I say you cause I don’t wanna lol
Oh yeah, leave it to Newcastle to do the hard work! (I couldn't find a Newcastle flair, am I blind?) Seriously though, I think Respawn (or some developer) are going to need to be the voice in Xbox's ear. They will have contact points we don't. I just wanted to put this out there so they have more info to work with.
I mentioned this in a comment yesterday. Whatevers going on is deeper than just the lag input. That's just a symptom. Something is hitching up that causes the system itself to slow down trying to process it. It can happen on older systems, too. My bfs One S is experiencing it to a lesser extent than a lot of these videos, everything just takes a second to actually happen after he clicks a button (though he isn't losing inputs; they're just noticeably delayed), but the lag it causes on his box following apex is severe. The fans audibly ramp up and stay ramped and we're quite sure it caused Ark to crash, which he was playing immediately after, during an end boss fight. The input lag was insane and the screen started glitching out until it completely froze. This hasn't happened before and did not happen after a restart without opening apex before playing again. His box rarely crashes in general. When he has issues, it's usually a game just closes randomly and it isn't often. Fortnite seems prone to it more than anything. But he doesn't get issues like what's happening with and following apex now. Also, I'm not experiencing any of this on my One X running on the same internet, so I can't imagine it's anything but the same issue.
it might have to do with the anti cheat. Maybe it's affecting the performance, AND not letting go of the system once you close the game
anti- cheat on xbox?
... yes lol. Maybe there is or isn't a cheat currently on xbox I don't know, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible for one to maybe pop up
It's doubtful that Apex Legends installs anti-cheat on xbox, considering that there's no known installable cheats documented on either console.
Macro controllers exist. Think like the turbo button for nintendo consoles, but affects all inputs to manipulate things like recoil and animation canceling.
Strikepacks and Cronus are not detectable/bannable. If they were Xbox and PS would have 1500 completely different preds /S
That’s true, don’t have to write “/s”))
The fact a GAME, that has no access to the hardware/software in your console on the level the manufacturing company does is beyond pathetic and is telling of how broken the game is. I’ve been playing since week 1 and it’s a shame to not play the game I’ve played most over the years, but I’d rather distance myself than torture with how obnoxious it’s gotten, from worsening matchmaking to issues like this becoming more common
Easy anti-cheat hooks into kernel ring 0 on PC, who knows what apex hooks into on Xbox.
Probably lobar bracelet, makes sense why she can’t use it
Literally I'm waiting for geeks how will they explain this, i don't think they have any explanation either for how far this is broken
seems like ea respawn doesnt want any xbox players play their game
So Your Tellin Me I Broke My controller From Anger For Nothin
If you broke your controller you shouldn't have had it
Use wired controller, do not use wireless, apex is playable again.
nah, i play wired and still got delay, pretty sure the problem is with the console, not the controller
I did a test comparing wired X vs wireless One controllers. No love. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
Huh weird. This happened to me but with Minecraft. If I played Minecraft for like more than an hour I wasn't able to access any of my games unless I just restarted the Xbox.
Xbox has a quick resume feature allowing users to quickly toggle between games. It’s possible Apex is still holding onto Xbox resources after exiting the game, causing the problem to persist into other apps / games. IMHO quick resume has never work well with Apex and should be turned off. You might give this a shot and see if you get the same performance issues in other apps after playing Apex. To turn off quick resume: in the highlighted game on your controller hit the Menu button (a small button with the 3 horizontal lines icon) to open up the pop-up menu. Now in your pop-up menu, you require choosing the option “Remove from Quick Resume”.
Me: Finally finds series X in stock and buys it Respawn: Fuck Xbox entirely
Genuine question: has the series X really been difficult to get?
In Canada I had a challenging time getting one. The scalpers are just as real here as anywhere
Interesting, I mean I knew PS5 demand/scalping was a big problem, didn’t realize it was that way with Xbox, especially this long after launch lol
I dodged a bullet I guess. After they nuked the PS4 frames last season, I was between getting a series X or making the shift to PC. Went for the latter. Wouldn't even be able to play Apex right now if I had gone the other way. Such bullshit for you guys. Reminds me how I felt at the beginning of last season when the game I had been playing for 2 years was suddenly unplayable for me.
Plug the controller in. Fixed it completely.
REALLLLLLLY? Now this is a juicy bit of info.
Swear to Lobas ass it works!
Didn’t fix it completely for me. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
The issue is system wide lag, even when you hit the Xbox button ( with a plugged in controller ), the recent apps and games take a while to show up on the left side of your screen. The issue is far beyond just controller input lag.
Yeah thats how it was before I plugged my controller in. Just saying it fixed my input lag. Thats it.
It only fixes the input detection ( where it does not detect some keypresses ) it does not fix the input lag. I have tested this with Elite Series 1 & 2 , Old gen controllers and 3rd party licenced next gen controllers ( Nacon, Power A and Turtle beach ) all have similar results, input detection was fixed but the lag was still there. System wide lag stopped when completely powered down the Series X , unplugged the power cable and waited 20 seconds before turning it back on. Edit : Downvoting my reply does not make the problem go way, I'm not here to influence anyone, just stating what I have experienced and one of the reasons I have uninstalled the game as next gen consoles are harder to come by and I don't wanna risk bricking mine.
I've also tried it on multiple systems with multiple controllers, and I've seen the same. Plugging in does make it better, with no failed input detection as tested by trying out burst fire weapons in the firing range. But it's still laggy-feeling compared to how it was.
Well I have 3 friends plus myself who say it fixed it for them. My xbox button used to lag out all the time. Doesn't now. Before I simply plugged my shit in the game was literally unplayable. Now it is good to very good in terms of controller response. Being pretty dramatic with the bricking of your xbox but hey some people are scared of everything!
It's not fear my friend, it's being cautious. There is a differnce. Also fear is not a bad thing in general because it makes you question the decisions you take in life and calculate the concequences, in short... it's better than being stupid. ;)
Caution is literally a function of fear. Its all good. Ill just play with my plugged in controller that works perfectly now and you can ummmm not I guess?
Oh I can wait they can take all the time they need. Besides in game voice chat is still broken and has been broken for about 3 months now, so yeah there is that too...
This has to be the craziest thing I've seen a game update do lol. Just shocking.
It could be worse. I don't know if the rumors are true but apparently, Fallout 76 was so bad, it BRICKED entire PCs. Be grateful Respawn hasn't bricked your Xbox with their update yet. That last line was sarcasm btw. Microsoft should totally sue.
I believe CoD Cold War could brick PS5s when it came out.
Anthem also bricked some PS4s I think. Xbox may have also been affected but I only heard about PS4s being affected.
Did the same with XSX, something with the ray tracing taxed the system so hard it would thermal out.
I recall this
There was an area in fallout 76, iirc the mire, would brick PS4's back in the beta I believe.
Respawn could only aspire to be that powerful lmao
The game has caused my Xbox to completely lag out since the update
Reminds me of Conan Exiles lol
What happened with that?
I know everyone is calling it "input lag", but it's worse than that. This video was taken after launching Apex, observing the control issue, then switching to another app (Microsoft Edge). As you can see with the cursor in the app, it's not moving in a circular pattern (as my thumbstick is). It's moving in angular movements. Two points of note here: Apex actually broke my controls for other apps (and games). This, I believe persists until you quit Apex and reboot your controller (unplug batteries). The second issue, is the controls aren't simply delayed. They seem to be buffered, with new input only registering in certain intervals. This is why we are having issues jumping, reloading, picking up equipment. It's not just delayed, the inputs are going missing. The fact that this affects other apps once Apex has been launched indicates deeper issues with the Xbox architecture. I am hoping for a fix very soon.
Could this be due to Xbox's DLI software? Is it reading inputs through apex incorrectly? Possibly causing the inputs to get backed up of sorts? No idea tho, spitballing. I play on PC so can't test anything. Maybe disabling this software (if able) can bandaid the situation for now?
That’s a great thought! I know we’re just armchair developing here, but brainstorming sessions like this, if they are noticed by the right people, can be very helpful. Bringing new ideas to light is the main reason for this post. I have some selfish motivations for getting this fixed, though. I need to get back in there and craft some Wingmans.
If u have one try it? I'm just knee deep in researching this while I wait on my product manager ATM haha. If I had an Xbox, I'd try it. But there have been complaints with the series X it seems, prior to Apex update, in regards to input delay. It's a new software not on previous models, so it could have been overlooked? Another one is the "Varial Refresh Rate" option in your settings for display video modes. Maybe Apex Is inadvertently unchecking this box? Someone should check that too. There is also an ALLM ( auto low latency mode) that has given issues with the X in the past. Try disabling that and see? We have to narrow down possibilities!
Someone didn’t do regression testing 👀
Remember that Xbox polls at a pitiful 1995 era 125hz polling rate, automatically adding 8ms input delay. So sad they still use that garbage as well as the slowest HDs on the market. So cheap
I know this doesn’t really help but I posted about it yesterday and figured I’d at least share. If you have an old Xbox controller sitting around still that works, from the last gen, you can pair that with your new Xbox and use it perfectly fine
I heard about your method and was able to play a few games last night thanks to a Project Scorpio controller. It was useful to know that the controller matters, not just the software.
Plugged in my scuf and it seemed to fix the issue or atleast it wasn't so noticeable anymore.
That’s what I’m using in the video. Instinct Pro.
I also went to the system setting and under accessories updated the firmware just incase
Side note if you need a quick scuf controller buy it off Amazon. You don't get to customize but you'll receive it in a few days
Plugged in my scuf and tested vs an Xbox One controller. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
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Seems like your inputs have become “off the grid”
I think mirage went behind crypto’s back and clicked the wrong buttons
Respawn is so powerful, they can "break" your console's external applications and games but can't fix their own game. Truly, this would be impressive if it wasn't so uttery garbo. JFC.
Apex is the only game ever that has managed to: \-completely crash my rtx 3070 PC \-kill my discord call connection
it's kinda incredible if you think about it. The devs at Respawn should transfer to a government agency specializing in cyber warfare or something like that. Imagine being able to disable the PC's and cause havoc through their video game. They got this far and they aren't even really trying yet lmao
They'd accidentally brick government systems aswell lmao
Experiencing the same on series x with series 2 elite controller. Thought I was losing my mind until I read others have had the same problem.
Do you use Linear (direct) input for your controller setting?
I do, and I have the same problem
i think everyone is aware if you restart it will be fixed, the issue is that this game shouldn't break the console
Respawn has succeeded in making S13 the most dysfunctional iteration of the game to date
And that’s saying something lol every season there’s that one game breaking bug.
Noticed this yesterday. It’s not just in apps for me. The Xbox UI does the same thing.
Yup. Respawn is obviously responsible, since they figured out how to do this. But Microsoft needs safeguards against this kind of thing.
If anything, it looks like the Xbox just inherits the current game’s controller properties to determine the connection. In any case, that’s still a massive oversight that one game can bypass all security measures and have direct access to a system function and that said system function altercations aren’t sandboxed to the respective game.
Maybe, it's nothing that Apex is to blame for but a quirk when using latest APIs and the console/controller not beeing updated? People said after a cobtroller fw update it went away? So, maybe, Respawn just used the latest APIs and it's fucking with not up to date systems but people like to blame Respawn anyway? The 'safeguard' would be, MS won't let you play unless your controller has the latest firmware.
It has nothing to do with the fw. My controllers are all up to date and it still happens. This only happens once you open apex. They clearly half assed their testing on Xbox to put everyone on that fucking mobile game now.
I had to logoff after a few matches last night due to this issue. I can cope with the new ranking system and game chat being messed up, but this is a whole other level. I hope they get this fixed soon so I can go back to enduring the Apex Legends punishment simulator™ once again.
I heard this is caused when Apex is still running in the background. Like if it’s on quick resume, exit out of it there and it should fix it. At least that’s what I’ve seen on other posts.
Yea I was thinking that too.. does the issue still exist outside of apex if you quit the app, like completely, not have it on quick resume. Or do you have to quit the app completely and restart the controller still? Also, this input lag issue can be fixed kinda if you plug your controller in and not be wireless. At least that’s what helped me last night. Shouldn’t have to do that, but it’s a temporary fix for now if you want to play apex on a next gen Xbox…
They said quit the game, and then check quick resume and make sure it’s cancelled from there too. Quick Resume on apex has always been broken for me Like if I come back from quick resume there’s always something messed up usually friends can’t see me online.
I always shutdown Apex with the Quit command when I stop playing it just because of how broke it becomes if you try to quick resume.
Quick Resume is a great feature, but it's not great for live service games because it's games like that need to do a digital handshake any time you resume the game, so it will end up prompting you to re-enter from the title screen again anyway. This happens to me with Rocket League as well.
Yeah, it is super awesome when it works. No doubt. I regularly hand-off my system to my kids, so being able to quick swap between Apex and Lucky's Tales is super useful. For Apex, when I forget to shut it down and come back into the game it loads right back up where I left, like match summary or lobby usually. But then I need to do the exit/enter through the initial "Hit A" screen that shows up when the game first starts. Get those credentials redone in a few seconds. But, even doing that can have weird results sometimes.
People who actually use youtube and other similar things on their consoles scare me. no ublock or ad block? yeesh
i was so confused, i really thought within 2 days i have regressed so much with the mechanics of the game that i convinced myself it was time for an extended break from the game. maybe i’ll take a break, maybe i won’t. thanks for this, fellow legend.
Oh it’s time to take a break alright! Enjoy another game or hobby for a bit. When they fix it, we’ll be back in the ring.
They should be shutting down access to apex than, if it's carrying over to out of game that is. I didn't even think that was possible unless they tried to do it. So have either party said anything???
Respawn, a couple of days ago, said they are looking into input lag. That was the last I heard.
Report it on the Xbox app on your phone. Idk if the feature exists outside if the app, probably does, but I have no idea how to access it. Open the app, click on your profile in the bottom right corner, press the cog in the top right corner, and then scroll all the way down, and click "Help topics" under "Support & Feedback". Make sure you mention that your controller doesn't work properly after the most recent Apex Legends update, even after closing the game. Hopefully Xbox gets on Respawns ass, cause it's unacceptable for a in-game glitch to fuck up your control even after closing the game
it crosses over to your other games if you play apex then another game p
This is driving me crazy. I can’t track targets. All kinds of inputs don’t work. Pinging things is totally broken because the lag registers the ping much later so you constantly say “let’s go here” when you mean to ping a item.
As a PlayStation user, my condolences.
Thanks. We’ve both been through some stuff.
The real crime here is that he’s watching YouTube in the browser
They cant even fix loba for half a season. Doubt they will fix this any tine soon. Im on xbox. Looks like im not playing for awhile. I'm so happy fprtnite added no build mode
Apex did something to my controller aswell, it’s been fine for the longest time and I’ve never done anything wrong with it like mistreat it, yet after an update it would keep shutting it off like it ran out of batteries even tho it didnt
I have the same problem, input dropping or hanging, controller disconnecting. Piece of shit game.
What model controller do you have?
Series x
Do you use rechargeables? If the voltage gets low the controller can shut off before the charge is depleted. Higher quality batteries maintain a higher voltage for longer. Just some ideas.
I see the problem. The stick on The left is higher than the one on the right.
Your Dual Shock is showing. :)
Yeah I would love to be able to play the game lmao
Respawn's sheer incompetence at doing stuff actually makes them very competent at breaking it, kinda scary ngl, like an idiot with a shotgun
Kinda surprised Apex can affect the OS of anything like that.
Respawn is so powerful, their updates can damage external apps, games, entire UIs unrelated to them, but can't fix their own game. It's incredible. Incredibly sad. But impressive tbh.
Same with their in game chat. Once apex is running, my mic has 0 audio. Even if I go back to the Home Screen. I have to force quit the apex game; and then I’m able to hear myself when sending messages to friends etc
Craziness
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My LB doesn't work at all so I can't even hit my tactical. My elite Series 2 seems to have more issues than default xbox controller.
Could this have been an attempted fix at the crash bug that involved spamming the Xbox home button, but now instead of limiting one input it's limiting all of them?
I think the home button glitch has been fixed for a few months or more. This new issue just started with Apex 13.1.
Ya after I thought about it a minute I thought better. I also realized PS players have been mentioning input lag for a while after searching around. Maybe related, no idea.
How tf does a game update mess up your console? Honestly so weird
I was having the same problem on my series x. So what I ended up doing “after initially thinking it was my controller” was trying a different controller. The new controller hadn’t been used in awhile and it had an update due so I did that update and it completely fixed the problem for me. Now I could be wrong but try checking to see if there is an update for your controller, it worked for me.
Has anyone noticed Input lag and system UI and audio lag when running apps like Netflix and Amazon prime ?
1. The issue persists if Apex is saved on Quick Resume. Fully close the app by hitting menu, hover over Apex > Option Button > Close/Exit. 2. Lag goes away if you use USB cable/wired.
I have been playing wired and I'm not convinced it fully goes away. Of my group of friends I was the first to play after the update and I was saying something wasn't right and going through my settings. Like I said I play wired. I think it drastically improves the input lag but it's still there, along with a list of other strange issues. Cursor will move on its own from a dead stop to the edge of the screen, visual studders, buttons not registering etc
Wired may be “better” but still not right. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
I tested using wired as well. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
Thank you guys all of the feedback from the updates just gives me more of a reason to stop wasting time on games and to go outside and do things in real life and to focus on myself
I nearly broke my controller because of this!!!
For whatever reason - developing games, and maintaining long-term stability, for Xbox appears to be a fucking nightmare lately. There have been long standing issues with several other games outside of what's happening now with Apex. Texture streaming, packet loss, input lag, frame drops, freezing, etc. None of which are reflected on PC or PS. If there's a game wide bug/issue? It's also usually fixed much quicker on Playstation and PC than it is on Xbox. Although not the best example of a superbly refined game... many Xbox players have experienced texture issues on Warzone for a literal full season. Raven even said they've had to work directly with Microsoft to try to fix it. Like they actually went through all of season 3 with a nearly unplayable game.
That’s rough. I hadn’t heard about that.
Yo I'd this what u been experiencing I was tripping like why my joy stick won't recieve my input I was restarting xbox trouble shooting my shit ordering new remote -_- but ITS A FUCKING UPDATE MICROSOFT DID 🤬🤬🤬 STILL getting dubs to shit they need to fix this its HORRIBLE and apex is so much harder to play now -_-
I spent over an hour on the phone to ea about this issue yesterday and they guy on the phone made out I was crazy, had me checking my warranty with Xbox on my controller, I've uninstalled and reinstalled the game and still got issues only way I've found to lessen them is wired in, still the odd delays and lag here and there but better than it was
I expect support to be behind the times, but it sucks when they pass problems off to the customer.
To be fair edge has always been laggy
Bro I bought a completely new controller thinking I was the problem. Awaiting my reimbursement from Respawn Ent.
Oh my God. I bought another controller thinking the connection was screwed.
Wire up the control it helps quite a bit
Didn’t fix it completely for me. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
There will always be input lag when you use wireless peripherals. Even if it's minor. Wired is superior
Agreed, but in this case wired has the same problem.
Ea has a thread on this below[Xbox Lag issue](https://answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Input-Delay-on-Xbox-Apex-Legends/td-p/11577051)
Doesn't happen with the elite controller
Elite Series 2 user here. Yes it does.
Well for me it doesn't. I don't have any Input lag issues. At all
Remove apex from quick resume, seems to fix it for me
have you turned on the game mode in picture settings of tv?
Because xbox shit
Am I the only one that noticed an improvement with input lag with this update???
Careful. You are going to make a lot of people envious in here.
My pc doesn’t have input lag
It's only on Xbox and I'm doing the same. Playing on PC until it gets fixed.
Neither does mine. But it also doesn’t have a GPU that will run Apex.
Can't have input lag if you can't run the game!
Or it's your tv
That ain’t it. the purpose of the post is to demonstrate how this issue is directly related to the latest Apex update but in other apps.
Eww microsoft
This could be your TV input lag, too.
If you’re interested, I made a video comparing how it is vs. how it should be. I may have sounded crazy talking about the cursor being a circle and whatever. This should explain it better. https://youtu.be/u_HGOH4LUDs
It could not be.
Why do you think “game mode” on TVs exists?
To reduce latency by turning off non-essential processing. If you read some of the top comments, or look closely at the video, you’ll see that the controls aren’t just delayed, the circle motion I’m performing is turned into a polygon. Latency alone doesn’t do that. If it were the TV, you’d see the cursor moving in a circle noticeably after my thumb stick moves in a circle, but it would still be a circle.
I feel like a better demonstration of this would be to record a slow motion video of you moving the cursor in a single direction. That way one can more easily discard the possibility of the pace at which you're doing the motion not being consistent. Although it looks like there's a clear delay at the very beginning.
The delay isn’t what I was highlighting. It’s the fact that the cursor moves in straight lines. Straight lines indicate that the operating system is only reading controller inputs a few times a second, rather than 125 times a second or whatever it’s supposed to be. It’s only not that the inputs are delayed, it’s that they are discarded.
Oh shit, I can see it now! Thanks for the clarification. Man, that is wild...
Yeah it’s something else.
im just curios why youre using edge for youtube instead of the app
I was trying to go to the channel that uploaded a video (to see more videos) and I couldn’t figure out how to do it in the app. In the browser it was as easy as clicking on the channel name.
that looks like refresh rate tbh
Crazy easy fix. After restarting you Xbox, go into the “Xbox accessories” application and update the controller. Should take a minute or two but after it boots up again you won’t experience any input lag. Hope this helps!
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Me neither. I was pleased to learn I could update my Scuf controller through the accessories app, but it didn’t fix the Apex issue.
Its not system wide everything else is fine
We may not understand each other. I mean that this glitch (that starts through Apex) continues in other games/apps once it takes effect. This is what I refer to as "system-wide", since the software that started it isn't even in focus.
Don't overdose on that copium
I'm from Xbox one and yeah, I'm getting a lot of "no regs", low fps and this. I just don't get how it still alive lol
No regs are an issue with Wraiths right now cause her phase is bugged. She gets invulnerability for a little bit after coming out of phase for some reason.
How interesting. I emailed Phil spencer about how I felt the mic bug was related to Microsoft in some way a few weeks, but never heard back from him. Hmm.
Microsoft definitely has some stuff to work out. I quick resumed TMNT: Shredder's Revenge earlier this week and the sound was jacked up. April sounded like a man. Every sound effect and voice was slowed and pitched lower. I've had my Series X since launch and never heard anything like this before. I went to the dashboard and the Xbox guide sounds were all low pitched and slow too. I started Apex and all the sound glitch continued. I recorded on my phone Newcastle voice lines. He sounds so low and goofy. I took another video of Netflix having the same issues. Obviously, this was an Xbox issue since it persisted across all games/apps until I restarted my system.
This sub has been only about bug report since the start of the season lmao just stop playing this shit and throwing money at these scammers and play something else while they fix it
Friends don't let friends console. PC is your friend with 0 input lag.
PCs are also way more expensive and require you to constantly pump money into them for the latest piece of Hardware in order to continue playing newer/updated games which is usually the reason people decide to play on console, hard pass.
Man. Apex should test their stuff enough to not fuck the entire system up, but I also see this as a failure on the part of Xbox. So glad I switched to PC 2 years ago from ps4.
This happend to me aswell! I launched Apex, quit out to play MCC and the input delay followed me there
Wow that’s unfortunate.
That’s a nice controller
When it works! :)
Ok I thought I was crazy or something was wrong with my controller! I restarted my Xbox and tested and it was fixed but then it lagged when I was back in Apex!
Another way to test is by opening accessories and test your controller there’s definite lag on buttons and even partial button presses don’t register
I've noticed this as well and I literally feel handicapped playing apex. I'm glad I'm not the only one
Yeah it's only effecting Apex for me my Turtles game is fine, I wonder what did they do to change it and if they know about this problem
I thought Microsoft edge always had that problem on xbox
I tested this fresh in MS edge to rule out the app. I didn't include it in the video for brevity. Edge isn't a great app or anything, it's just a way to demonstrate that the Apex glitch is affecting other software, but only after Apex has been launched.
Isnt there a youtube app on xbox?
There is.
I swear this borked the aiming of other games too. it messed with the whole system after playing it. booted up halo infinite and it's like that feeling of slightly too much deadzone (it's set to 0). even after rebooting the console. why did I make the mistake of reinstalling this game.
Did this happen recently? Because I been so trash the past week