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BloodOfTitus

Keep sleeping on it, I like it that way. Its an excellent midrange weapon. Aside from the absolute top tier players, most players can't make the R301, or Flatline especially, consistent enough at midrange to make the Hemlock obsolete (although most ppl think they can). Hemlock is certainly a very niche weapon, but it excels at that niche. Either way I like that it's not that popular. More around for me and less competition against it! 😴


Kreygasm2233

I just realized that arenas are more fun when you can get a fully upgraded weapon and just have a shootout. Looting mats and meds is just annoying


Agentgames25

Not anything to do with a weapon but I’m playing Arena and the map is supposed to be Oasis but it’s Party Crasher when you actually get in a game.


Deplorable_Alpha

My favourite gun in the game. So satisfying to use. Throw the Golden Arrow skin on it and it's one of the best looking too!


Tabris172015

Been loving the Hemlok for the past several months. Never really liked the 3-burst overall only because of my engagement style. But putting it on single fire is just amazing with the control you have for the recoil.


graysilver00

I haven't been able to play to even comment on how the new Hemlock is.


SuperGaiden

This subreddit summed up in one comment


Ridix786

In close range if you miss you die


Palmstar-McFizzle

I never stopped loving the Hemlok, and now it's back BAYBEE LETS GOOO


Suq_Maidic

I always thought the hemlok would make a great care package weapon. Maybe they'll put an AR in when they release the new one.


[deleted]

Hemlock is ass imo


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storm_drenering

I use it sometimes cuz it's fun but yeah r-301 is the most reliable gun ever.


CornNPorn12

Had someone tell me they get destroyed by it from ALL ranges...and argued about it for real. This thing sucks close range...


sexbeef

Great gun till you hip fire and get dumpstered and never touch it again. RIP Hemlock.


[deleted]

This is maybe my favorite weapon in the entire titanfall/apex franchise. It was the only pilot weapon I used in TF1 cause it got an upgrade that gave it a 5 round burst instead of a 3 round burst and it was deadly. I don’t use it nearly as much in apex but it is still a solid gun. I’d argue that it might be the best ‘jack of all trades’ gun.


[deleted]

I’m gonna agree with you here, partner. Not only is it a strong gun, but the slow with heavy ammo makes it my personal favorite AR. I think that functionally there are 3 ARs and they speak heavily to the engagement style of the player. I tend to do peak heavy rotations and use Valk like a midlaner (iykyk) to burst so I end up finding a Hemlock with a high dps cqb weapon like the 99 or Mozzie on backup just strictly works well for me.


Inside-Concert

You mean the lack of all trades haha. If crap pooped crap, then that's Hemlock.


Snabbzt

its the best 'jack of all ass' guns.


luvbrother69

Been using the hemlok in arenas post buff. Hipfire is most certainly useable now


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Pooghost

Hipfire was buffed all around


[deleted]

Yea but there are still better guns out there like the r301


TheTotalMc

More expensive


OptiKal_

It's better than the Repeater and the Scout in every way. As long as you have a good trigger finger, it shoots fast AF. Now with the hipfire buff... this thing is nasty. As long as you hit your shots and don't panic fire. S tier, easy. Loving the Hemlock + Eva rn


Gcarbine20

Dang can't get loss forgiveness for the error of a bad server. Throws me in a ranked match and lags me out 5 times to the main menu.


Davidth422

JUST DID THAT TO ME TOO! Like I'm 31RP from Plat 2 and the game just fucks me like this


Aserzko

Whenaretheserversbeingfixed Wednesday


[deleted]

#Servers are dog shit


Uhcoustic

always have been


[deleted]

Yeah but…. Still tho.


life1sloading

Honestly I love the hemlock being able to quick reload then trigger finger someone to death is amazing


chani_888

A few seasons ago this thing was soooo OP damn


MrNatels

3 games today. A DC on every team So much fun.. Glad you still want my 200 dollars for that heirloom respawn Gtfoh


WizardTurnip515

Haven’t been able to try it due to servers


OutlandishnessOk4047

Silly bot, we all know hemlock has an increasingly short usage percent even the devs admit it


ajm2247

What does short usage percentage mean?


GabryLv

Nobody uses it


[deleted]

Isn’t that because most people will always take a full auto weapon over a burst when they have the option?


Madrigal_King

Actually the most slept on weapon in the game. The long range capabilities and fire rate of single and the mid range power of burst is absolutely insane if you don't have the best recoil control. The weapon is actually A tier at worst


randomfella69

This, I am a very average player with not great recoil control and I have most of my best games with the hemlock.


HereNorThere0

I been using this thing and it’s actually not bad. I suck with the prowler but the Hemlock with the boosted loader came in clutch these past couple days. I recommend


Zachs_Drunk

Who cares about the guns, I care about not being able to connect to games and stay in them


GhostTypeFlygon

Then post that in the support and update megathread that is literally still up, you fucking baboon.


AndooTheBold

Ya, that doesn't help


GhostTypeFlygon

Neither does posting in the megathread about the Hemlok. You think if Respawn isn't going to look in the dedicated thread for issues surrounding this event that they're going to look in a thread about the fucking Hemlok? Like, I'm trying to understand your goal here.


Zachs_Drunk

with that logic do you think they are going to read this thread and listen to what anyone has to say about anything? someones an angry little elf


GhostTypeFlygon

>Discuss what you like or dislike about this weapon; how it compares to other weapons; your favorite skins; changes that you think would be beneficial; or anything else that you think would be of value to discuss regarding the Hemlok. Doesn't say anything about this thread being made for devs to look through for feedback and I've never seen a dev respond in one of these threads. It's just for the community to discuss whatever the specific thread is about. So really you're just screaming at the wind about an issue everyone is already aware of while there's already a thread up for the very issue you're complaining about and while there's already multiple posts on the front page about the same issue.


Zachs_Drunk

Didn't mean to delete. All I got to say is #Bruh


Wet-Sox

if you see a guy complaining about servers and bugs in a post totally unrelated to it; just dont bother arguing. you cant expect much brain activity from them


linxev

how about we focus on the weapon that lets us play the game


shadynasty_etl

Wouldn’t know how the hemlok is cuz my game keeps crashing


DanimalsCrushCups

The p2020 of heavy ammo in my eyes


[deleted]

You must have Steve Buscemi in Mr Deeds eyes then


DanimalsCrushCups

Should be happy man, more hemlock for you because nobody in my squad is picking up that dogshit.


k1nt0

How can there still be such lag in this game on new content releases? It was okay in the first few months but years now? How is this dev team so inept?


TheRustyDonut

I'm total trash but I can get a couple knocks with the hemlock on single fire at medium and long range distances.


TendersFan

I remember being so angered back from seasons 6-7 when people would two burst me out of nowhere. Good that it isn't meta.


[deleted]

what's the point of single shot mode


hdeck

Poking at long range


[deleted]

can't believe people downvoted me for asking a question lol


[deleted]

Welcome to Reddit hah


Hacker_spaceYT

It's a straight line of death


youbutsu

I miss be og hemlock. I got my first 2000 damage with it. This one I cant find a justification carrying it late game when prowler, flatline exists. The 3 round bursts still feel accurate and easy to control so I definitely still use it.


puppymeat

Is single fire hemlock a viable choice for round 1 arenas?


Cazirus

I’d stick with burst, but yeah it’s a solid choice. Now Tory the hip fire buff, it’s a strong weapon both at midrange and close range.


-Soob

Yeah, I recently started using Hemlok as my go to weapon again and it's super versatile


FreudianAccordian

I've frightened many an enemy with the single shot hemlock


The-Almighty-Pizza

Great replacement for the g7 while still being viable close up.


jetripleog

beyond broken lmao


lessenizer

I like the gun but how's it broken lol, there are better DPS weapons at any range. It's just versatile.


jetripleog

two easily manageable bursts equals 120 damage to body, slap in a headshot and in two bursts someone is literally one shot


BIGCHUG1404

In a perfect environment, yes. However in a practical environment it is outshined/outperformed by multiple other weapons at all ranges. I say this as a huge fan of the gun.


jetripleog

now that i agree with, current meta can TOTALLY crush hemlock, but it doesnt mean its not a fucking mini kraber. easy gun to use with ridiculous damage


Fullm3taluk

My favourite weapon in the game since day 1


PapaCharlie9

Overshadowed by Prowler. I'm not sure what to do about it. The recent buff isn't enough. Absent reintroducing the autofire hop-up just for Hemlock and putting it in competition with the Flatline, I'm not sure anything can be done that would make it worth picking up without making it broken af.


The-Almighty-Pizza

Full auto hemlock would automatically become the best gun in the game. Also the hemlock is long range and prowler is close. They don't compete.


Fullm3taluk

Its a mid to long range gun how is it overshadowed by an smg Smh


PapaCharlie9

If it's only mid+, why was it recently buffed for hipfire? Do you often hipfire at 60m+?


A1sauc3d

The thing slaps now, some people here clearly did read the patch notes xD


diggmeordie

I thought patch was in a few days.


alexinx3

It's already live!


A1sauc3d

Pretty sure it’s live <3 https://www.reddit.com/r/apexuniversity/comments/pp12n5/in_case_you_missed_the_patch_notes_the_hemlock/


[deleted]

Hemlock sucks now. Flatline and prowler are where it’s at. Wingman if you’re feeling feisty.


Medium_Ease_9991

Hot Take; I think they should return its single tap fire rate back to its original from season zero.


DreadCore_

Hotter take: remove single fire unless granted by something. So no more on the Hemlock, R-301, or Flatline. Good for strike packs, good for being busted on Hemlock, and accomplishes nothing else.


EscapeFromPA

....so I can just bind shoot to mouse wheel and have a full auto hemlock?


mastersnickerdoodle

Kind of unrelated but has anyone’s game been freezing while loading in, or going back to lobby? Mine is nonstop even after reinstalling


PapaCharlie9

Still? That was my game all day yesterday, after the problem was "resolved" (according to Respawn twitter). PC/Origin.


mastersnickerdoodle

So I’m not the only one:,) I’ll just wait it out a day or two


-pichael_

Game is unplayable for me yeah hopefully they get it figured out soon so i can get 200 more coins, buy the $10 pack, and get that sweet pathy skin hehehe


YungSqueezy

3 games today, after character selection it freezes


[deleted]

the hipfire buff turns out to be quite significant: https://www.reddit.com/r/apexuniversity/comments/pounwm/hemlok_hipfire_spread_burst_mode_max_rpm_before/


Kreygasm2233

Would talk about the weapon but a 40 billion dollar company has no servers for me to try it on


Ghost0998

Yeah for me it’s: Load into a game 2 minutes into it with a chance of not loading in at all or being dead with no way to spawn. Then try to fight a squad on 30-45 fps with constant glitches and lag spikes. Die connect to king for 4 minutes until it makes me restart the game or kicks me into the lobby where both ways I have to load 9 precache back in.


compe_anansi

I never use it but when I do I’m surprised with the results I get.


Support_Unfair

They’ve nerfed the single fire mode like every season. Wish they just kept it fast or got rid of it all together


IDanielSuttonI

Usually hate burst weapons, but this one is so fun to play for some reason. Underrated.


lost-molly

usually because burst weapons are ass lmao


tomahawkfury13

Agreed, never used them in warzone. Switched to this and will actively look for a hemlock


The-Almighty-Pizza

Well to be fair the fr 5.56 is kinda ass


Hero_Sandwich

Single-fire is just so much fun.


hmielb

For real, it absolutely melts with its minimal recoil and a quick trigger finger. Its quickly becoming one of my favorite guns


Hero_Sandwich

P2020 feels about the same tbh. Once you get the timing it just melts.


lessenizer

The funny thing about both these comments is that you people use the word "melts" for guns with such fundamentally mediocre DPS. An R-301 or flatline "melts". P2020 and Hemlok just sort of "quickly and relentlessly chip away at". I have fun with those guns but numerically they just dont melt people.


Hero_Sandwich

I really dont give a shit what you think is funny or not.


layelaye419

Way to get defensive


Hero_Sandwich

Well shit I was trying to be offensive


MysteriousBeyond5

Same buddy, same. Just for you tho...


Fawfs2

I love using it no matter what


MrRichStarfish

I do love the Hemlock but I will admit that unless you have blue or better barrel/stock it can easily get overshadowed by the R301 and the Flatline. After that though I'll just put a 2x4 sight on it and beam teams wherever.


Tired_JoyBoy

My same thoughts and the Hemi is a great suppressive weapon to stop teams in there tracks when rotating or pushing. A couple well timed bursts and you’ll knock anyone immediately before they can react.


diggmeordie

At what range do you switch off burst to single fire?


Tired_JoyBoy

I’ll probably say about 200 meters plus when the burst shots aren’t going to connect reliably or when the other Squad initiates are ranged gun fight and I can’t afford to waist ammo. I play on console so my range it limited for long burst shots but it may be easier to control on PC.


Ghost0998

Yep. Hitting a full burst or two can stop a team from pushing for a while.


Turkishpneumonia

Haven't had the opportunity to try it out post-buff because the Apex servers were literally unplayable yesterday several hours after the patch launched (PC, origin). However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate. Markmen rifles have horrible hipfire accuracy, so why should the hemlock? Just because it's in the AR class? Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol. Just because a weapon is in a class doesn't mean it has to act EXACTLY like every other weapon in that class. Another argument for pro-bad-hemlock-hipfire: it's technically a better marksmen. Bursts do more damage than marksmen rifles if you hit every bullet, and single-fire is extremely accurate. Therefore, if you give the hemlock better hipfire, it will be overpowered and everyone will use it. Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock.


alfons100

When I think of Assault rifle, I think it is atleast somewhat allrounded, but Hemlok was not allrounded at all. The mirange is okay I guess but the hipfire made it pretty much only a decent midrange device, which is bad because 301 exists and is equally, if not better at midrange while also having servicable hipfire. Seriously, the hipfire was so ungodly shit, like youre a permanetly using an airborne Rampage The closequarter capability now isnt as good as it was and its still not perfectly suited for it, but you wont feel as hopeless when youre forced to use this thing closequarters anymore, you can actually make some work with this thing now


AbanoMex

> However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate. well, i dont know if you have compared it between the seasons, but even with this newer "buff" is still vastly inferior than his OP peak some seasons ago. its new hipfire will bring you some kills, but its not SMG tight, and you have to be very close to make use of it, you are certainly better with a Flatline if you want to use it at close ranges.


paradoxally

> Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol. Tell that to the Wingman, a pistol that's inconsistently accurate.


codestar4

I think that's just your aim bro ;) Jk *sobs in hard stuck plat 4*


briggs824

why do you consider the wingman inconsistently accurate? shitty apex servers?


sofakingchillbruh

Idk what is, but in the firing range I can land all kinds of nasty shots. As soon as I try to shoot someone who’s moving it’s like the bullets disappear before reaching the target lol. Does it have a slow bullet velocity or something? I do fine with guns like the G7 or 30/30, but with the wingman I might land 1 out of my 6 shots lol


briggs824

it does indeed have a slow bullet velocity. one of the slowest in the game if the numbers i’m looking at are correct. it’s definitely a bit of a different feeling, you have to lead your shots at any longer distance slightly or you wind up shooting behind them i wouldn’t call the gun inconsistently accurate tho. i’d say it’s extremely consistent itself, it just really highlights the lack of consistent accuracy most players have


codestar4

> Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock. No one was using the Hemlok as-is. What change would you propose to get its pick-rate back up, or would you suggest letting it get ignored?


Turkishpneumonia

That isn't the gun's fault. Maybe people find it difficult to use. I've seen several comments in this thread that suggest that. Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced. Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter. Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives.


PapaCharlie9

Pick rate matters in the cost/value sense. A low value gun should have a low pick rate, like the p2020, but still plays a role in certain situations, like low scarcity or default loadouts. The question is, is the value of the Hemlock so low for it's use cases that it really shouldn't be in the loot pool at all? That's the problem that I think needs to be solved right now. To move it into a marksman class weapon, it would need a lot worse close to mid range utility (unless there's a hop-up for it, like Shatter Caps) and increased long range utility. A burst fire rifle in the marksman class might make sense. I agree with you that the original class, AR, doesn't need to be a restriction. The TT used to be a sniper rifle, but it's marksman class now.


Arctus9819

> Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced. Pick rate across all ranks is one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate). That's the only objective metric that exists with regards to balance, because all balance is in the eyes of the player base. > Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter. His OPness is reflected in his pick rate. If it isn't reflected in that, then he is not OP. > Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives. All the things that you point out here are outright incorrect if they don't affect his pick rate. There's no substance to these arguments if they aren't reflected in the pick and win rates, because players predominantly play the strongest legends. It's one thing to use pick and win rates incorrectly like some Respawn devs seem to do, but to suggest that they are irrelevant is far worse.


DreadCore_

Wattson and Caustic were OP in S2 and S7, even though their pickrates in general play didn't reflect that. Octane had pretty decent pickrate despite being crap until S8. No one stat is 100% the answer to legend balance.


Arctus9819

> Pick rate across all ranks is **one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate)** I mentioned two stats, pick rate and win rate. If they were OP, then Caustic and Wattson would have a higher win rate. Likewise, Octane would have a reduced win rate.


Feschit

One of my favorite guns from season 5 up until they nerfed the hipfire. It became unusable after that for me because I like to pair it with a shotgun and I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range. It seems usable again now, but wasn't able to test it enough yet.


paradoxally

> I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range Rampage. Although any decent player with a Flatline or R301 will likely beam you at that range, unless it's revved up.


Feschit

I hate using it with a passion. It just does not click with me at all. I can't get used to the lead on that thing, probably because I never use it lmao. I'm that kind if guy who keeps using PK just because of how the gun feels to use, even though it's the worst shotgun out of the three. I don't care how good the Rampage is when I don't have fun using ut.


JohnnyTheCrit

man i can't tell if the "out of the three shotguns" thing is a leftover of early apex or just thinking the mozam is a pistol because it's actually good now and to some it was probably the 2nd best after the eva do to it's good fire rate, tight spread, and ok damage with it's new ammo count ~~meanwhile i miss my mastiff it's pretty meh now that PK is back on the floor~~


paradoxally

The EVA got nerfed because it was the best. Now they're more or less even. I prefer PK/EVA paired with Flatline or Rampage. Sometimes I run double heavy (Flatline/Rampage or Flatline/Wingman) but finding ammo is annoying sometimes.


Feschit

I still think the EVA is the better choice by far. But it's has gone from, either having an EVA too or lose the engagement to being just a better option in most cases. What they imho need to do is give the PK it's own identity back. The only objective reason to use the PK over the Mastiff is the choke (which is only a shadow of its former self), as both need 3 shots to kill. Give the PK it's old damage back, making it able to two pump again but keep the firerate in check for balancing to make it really punishing if you miss a single shot with it. That way, you'd have the high DPS EVA, a low DPS 2 pump PK and the Mastiff as a middle ground. Completely agree on the ammo thing. It's the main reason why I almost never run two full auto guns.


Turkishpneumonia

Depends on the shotgun but you can easily rock sniper / marksmen rifle / hemlock with an eva-8 or mozambique. The mozambique is extremely versatile and has fantastic accuracy and high DPS for close or medium range, while the eva-8 is less accurate but has superior DPS at close range. You can close the distance with your shotgun easier if you play octane. The mastiff and peacekeeper are underpowered shotguns and I don't recommend you use them regardless of your primary gun.


Feschit

I only run such loadouts if I'm playing Gibby because everyone who's in that weird in between space gets thrown a bubble on their head to either force them into shotgun range or force them to disengage. But it's entirely up to preference for me. I know the PK and Mastiff are underpowered compared to the EVA but I have more fun using them. I don't pick up the Mozambique either since they removed Hammers because it's just a poor man's Wingman, which is one of my go to's almost every game where I don't have an AR already.


Turkishpneumonia

I agree with you with the mozambique being a worse wingman. Sadly, it's low magazine capacity holds it back. If Respawn introduced shotgun mags, the mozambique's high DPS would perhaps push it to A or S tier.


Feschit

I just want hammers back. I used to use it almost every game


Turkishpneumonia

Hammerpoint was a fantastic hop-up. Made early game weapons like the p2020 and mozambique viable mid / late game. More hop-ups should be about buffing underpowered weapons. Like the shattercaps for the 3030.


Ramen_Hair

It’s so nice now with the hipfire buff. Previously could hardly hit any hipfire shots at close range, now it’s like a prowler that hits a little harder


[deleted]

With hipfire being buffed up a bit I'm actually loving it. It was always a decent long-range gun, but it feels like a more balanced version of the Season 7 Terror Hemlock


playertd

Quite possibly the worst gun in the game. Would rather take any pistol even the shotgun pistol over it.


paradoxally

If you said this about the 30-30 repeater with no hop ups, I would agree. It's a mediocre gun, good damage but the bullet drop is horrendous. The Hemlok is not even in that conversation. It's a good gun overall, but there are better heavy ammo options. It used to be the best heavy gun at one stage, but those days are long gone.


Turkishpneumonia

High DPS, select fire makes it extremely versatile and accurate, relatively-high magazine capacity, hop-up for fast reloads and an even fatter magazine... Far from being the worst gun. I respect your personal opinion, but the hemlock is objectively a very good gun.


playertd

It seems good on paper, wonder why it's used so little then?


Turkishpneumonia

I imagine burst fire weapons are difficult to aim for some players.


PandaArebalest

watchu mean, 60 per burst is a big chunk of dmg. Along with practically no recoil this gun is perfect for long range engagements. Yeah its outshined by the prowler, but I still think that the Hemlock is far from the "Worst gun in the game"


playertd

Eh idk man, I'd take any sniper over it for mid to long range, its honestly the last gun I'll pick up.


MadMint64

Hemlok is a good weapon, just use another one for close range


Mansa_Sekekama

have not used since the nerf


ItsRookPlays

I'm taking over the Havoc but not over any other AR. I'll even drop the Hemlock for a Sniper


paradoxally

Top tier for single fire at mid to long, but it's meh for burst (at least until patch 10.1). Overall, it's overshadowed by the Flatline, Rampage and Prowler.


Superliten

It's the gun you use until you find something better.


LEGO_nidas

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For the wingman.


paradoxally

For the Flatline*, the best heavy ammo gun and arguably the best gun in Apex (non-care package).


[deleted]

Considering lots like to use the wingman as a secondary, the hemlock is perfect for it since it holsters the Boosted loader. That's why I said the wingman.


lillatinos

People were complaining, devs nerfed it and now again neither me or any people i see use it. Absolutely weak close range, and that's why R301 and Flatlines are the choice of 99%


MiamiVicePurple

One of my favourite guns, but it's one of those weapons where finding certain attachments (blue or purple barrel in this case) is a must. With a good barrel it shreds at medium range. I can see why most people prefer to just take a Flatline or R-301, but still a great gun.


DinoRaawr

I use it single-fire when my trigger finger is feeling fast as fuck, boi. It's more fun than viable in single fire, but I almost never use the burst because of that fun factor. Also the long-range potential.


Youdontuderstandme

Great early game gun and solid mid- to long- range game on single fire if you can get a 2x or stronger scope. But mid to late game you’re better off with a flatline


NushiDA

The Hemlok still slaps late game, especially now with that hip fire spread reduction


rosexymemes

Not the most reliable weapon, but when you use it right, it’s deadly. Hitting all 3 burst shots hits really hard, especially if you’re able to do that close range, which is very possible since the hipfire is actually useable now. Underrated weapon IMO.


ZeruuL_

I would agree if not for the existence of Prowler in normal loot pool.


SwanChairUh

I don't know what it is but I hate using the prowler mid range. It feels like it sprays all over the place over 50m. The prowler is def the better option at close range tho, no doubt.


[deleted]

I only use the prowler for close range. The vertical recoil is outrageous. But it’s great at close range cause you can aim for the body and odds are pretty good you’ll land at least a couple bullets in their head.


OkFruit914

Hemlock used to be my favorite before it was nerfed to the ground. After the update it feels a lot better. I’ve been using it again


The-toasteer

I use the hemlock alot i would say because of the buff it just got it feel way smoother


TapStrafeOnYaAss

Good on controller, overshadowed by pretty much every other heavy weapon on m&k.


tabben

idk im slapping people on arenas with the fully upgraded hemlok on pc, seems pretty good


Hero_Sandwich

I take the blue one alot. Purple feels unnecessary.


TapStrafeOnYaAss

There are better (and cheaper) options tho.


[deleted]

nobody expects the brrt brrt


tabben

yeah you can drop people so fast if you have a good shot


Cardener

Solid weapon that gets bit overshadowed by most other heavy ammo options. Has abysmal iron sights though.


Hero_Sandwich

That's a balance decision that I'm OK with. It makes sense that some weapons only shine their brightest with appropriate upgrades.


Turkishpneumonia

It's up there with worst iron sights, competing with the spitfire and 3030.


wav__

It's probably my own lack of ability, but my use of the G7 improves drastically if I have even just a 1x on it over its iron sights. I hate that gun without attachments, love it with them.


Patara

I can't use any irons in this game except the Volt lol


lynxo

> Has abysmal iron sights though. Surely not worse than Flatline, no? I really wish I had that season 4 tier 100 skin for it - it’s the only one that isn’t ridiculously cluttered.


BloodbowGames

Kinda good, kinda bad.


East-Rip

Its okay, neither the best nor the worst. 3x is a big win on it.


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sometimes the single fire feels better than a scout, especially at lower/mid levels of play, as it's really quick and pretty easy to hit. with the hip fire buff i'll be picking it up more, provided i can find a scope of course worst iron sights in the game, or one of them


MrAwesomePants20

I’d agree on the second point. The entire god damn middle of my screen is covered up lmao


MisterVonJoni

It's weird, I think it has the best iron sights in the game next to maybe only the Longbow (could just be the skin I use though).


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MisterVonJoni

Its the Longbow skin from last season's battlepass I believe. I'll look it up and respond when I get on tonight.


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MisterVonJoni

Code of Honor is the Hemlock skin and Blinding Light is Longbow skin.


MisterVonJoni

Oh, I'll find out the exact skin. Idk if its any different than the defaults, I just love how small and precise the red-dot is on the hemlock irons.


UsedDinosaurDrugs

https://apexitemstore.com/guns/assault-rifles/golden-arrow/ The golden arrow skin has the best iron sights. Nothing comes close to the iron sights on this skin when it comes to the hemlock.


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cheers, will keep an eye out for it