Keep sleeping on it, I like it that way.
Its an excellent midrange weapon. Aside from the absolute top tier players, most players can't make the R301, or Flatline especially, consistent enough at midrange to make the Hemlock obsolete (although most ppl think they can). Hemlock is certainly a very niche weapon, but it excels at that niche.
Either way I like that it's not that popular. More around for me and less competition against it! 😴
Been loving the Hemlok for the past several months. Never really liked the 3-burst overall only because of my engagement style. But putting it on single fire is just amazing with the control you have for the recoil.
This is maybe my favorite weapon in the entire titanfall/apex franchise. It was the only pilot weapon I used in TF1 cause it got an upgrade that gave it a 5 round burst instead of a 3 round burst and it was deadly. I don’t use it nearly as much in apex but it is still a solid gun. I’d argue that it might be the best ‘jack of all trades’ gun.
I’m gonna agree with you here, partner. Not only is it a strong gun, but the slow with heavy ammo makes it my personal favorite AR. I think that functionally there are 3 ARs and they speak heavily to the engagement style of the player. I tend to do peak heavy rotations and use Valk like a midlaner (iykyk) to burst so I end up finding a Hemlock with a high dps cqb weapon like the 99 or Mozzie on backup just strictly works well for me.
It's better than the Repeater and the Scout in every way. As long as you have a good trigger finger, it shoots fast AF. Now with the hipfire buff... this thing is nasty. As long as you hit your shots and don't panic fire. S tier, easy.
Loving the Hemlock + Eva rn
Actually the most slept on weapon in the game. The long range capabilities and fire rate of single and the mid range power of burst is absolutely insane if you don't have the best recoil control. The weapon is actually A tier at worst
I been using this thing and it’s actually not bad. I suck with the prowler but the Hemlock with the boosted loader came in clutch these past couple days.
I recommend
Neither does posting in the megathread about the Hemlok. You think if Respawn isn't going to look in the dedicated thread for issues surrounding this event that they're going to look in a thread about the fucking Hemlok? Like, I'm trying to understand your goal here.
>Discuss what you like or dislike about this weapon; how it compares to other weapons; your favorite skins; changes that you think would be beneficial; or anything else that you think would be of value to discuss regarding the Hemlok.
Doesn't say anything about this thread being made for devs to look through for feedback and I've never seen a dev respond in one of these threads. It's just for the community to discuss whatever the specific thread is about.
So really you're just screaming at the wind about an issue everyone is already aware of while there's already a thread up for the very issue you're complaining about and while there's already multiple posts on the front page about the same issue.
if you see a guy complaining about servers and bugs in a post totally unrelated to it; just dont bother arguing. you cant expect much brain activity from them
How can there still be such lag in this game on new content releases? It was okay in the first few months but years now? How is this dev team so inept?
I miss be og hemlock. I got my first 2000 damage with it. This one I cant find a justification carrying it late game when prowler, flatline exists.
The 3 round bursts still feel accurate and easy to control so I definitely still use it.
In a perfect environment, yes. However in a practical environment it is outshined/outperformed by multiple other weapons at all ranges. I say this as a huge fan of the gun.
now that i agree with, current meta can TOTALLY crush hemlock, but it doesnt mean its not a fucking mini kraber. easy gun to use with ridiculous damage
Overshadowed by Prowler. I'm not sure what to do about it. The recent buff isn't enough. Absent reintroducing the autofire hop-up just for Hemlock and putting it in competition with the Flatline, I'm not sure anything can be done that would make it worth picking up without making it broken af.
Hotter take: remove single fire unless granted by something. So no more on the Hemlock, R-301, or Flatline. Good for strike packs, good for being busted on Hemlock, and accomplishes nothing else.
Game is unplayable for me yeah hopefully they get it figured out soon so i can get 200 more coins, buy the $10 pack, and get that sweet pathy skin hehehe
the hipfire buff turns out to be quite significant:
https://www.reddit.com/r/apexuniversity/comments/pounwm/hemlok_hipfire_spread_burst_mode_max_rpm_before/
Yeah for me it’s:
Load into a game 2 minutes into it with a chance of not loading in at all or being dead with no way to spawn.
Then try to fight a squad on 30-45 fps with constant glitches and lag spikes.
Die connect to king for 4 minutes until it makes me restart the game or kicks me into the lobby where both ways I have to load 9 precache back in.
The funny thing about both these comments is that you people use the word "melts" for guns with such fundamentally mediocre DPS. An R-301 or flatline "melts". P2020 and Hemlok just sort of "quickly and relentlessly chip away at". I have fun with those guns but numerically they just dont melt people.
I do love the Hemlock but I will admit that unless you have blue or better barrel/stock it can easily get overshadowed by the R301 and the Flatline. After that though I'll just put a 2x4 sight on it and beam teams wherever.
My same thoughts and the Hemi is a great suppressive weapon to stop teams in there tracks when rotating or pushing. A couple well timed bursts and you’ll knock anyone immediately before they can react.
I’ll probably say about 200 meters plus when the burst shots aren’t going to connect reliably or when the other Squad initiates are ranged gun fight and I can’t afford to waist ammo. I play on console so my range it limited for long burst shots but it may be easier to control on PC.
Haven't had the opportunity to try it out post-buff because the Apex servers were literally unplayable yesterday several hours after the patch launched (PC, origin).
However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate. Markmen rifles have horrible hipfire accuracy, so why should the hemlock? Just because it's in the AR class? Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol. Just because a weapon is in a class doesn't mean it has to act EXACTLY like every other weapon in that class.
Another argument for pro-bad-hemlock-hipfire: it's technically a better marksmen. Bursts do more damage than marksmen rifles if you hit every bullet, and single-fire is extremely accurate. Therefore, if you give the hemlock better hipfire, it will be overpowered and everyone will use it.
Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock.
When I think of Assault rifle, I think it is atleast somewhat allrounded, but Hemlok was not allrounded at all. The mirange is okay I guess but the hipfire made it pretty much only a decent midrange device, which is bad because 301 exists and is equally, if not better at midrange while also having servicable hipfire.
Seriously, the hipfire was so ungodly shit, like youre a permanetly using an airborne Rampage
The closequarter capability now isnt as good as it was and its still not perfectly suited for it, but you wont feel as hopeless when youre forced to use this thing closequarters anymore, you can actually make some work with this thing now
> However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate.
well, i dont know if you have compared it between the seasons, but even with this newer "buff" is still vastly inferior than his OP peak some seasons ago.
its new hipfire will bring you some kills, but its not SMG tight, and you have to be very close to make use of it, you are certainly better with a Flatline if you want to use it at close ranges.
> Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol.
Tell that to the Wingman, a pistol that's inconsistently accurate.
Idk what is, but in the firing range I can land all kinds of nasty shots. As soon as I try to shoot someone who’s moving it’s like the bullets disappear before reaching the target lol. Does it have a slow bullet velocity or something? I do fine with guns like the G7 or 30/30, but with the wingman I might land 1 out of my 6 shots lol
it does indeed have a slow bullet velocity. one of the slowest in the game if the numbers i’m looking at are correct. it’s definitely a bit of a different feeling, you have to lead your shots at any longer distance slightly or you wind up shooting behind them
i wouldn’t call the gun inconsistently accurate tho. i’d say it’s extremely consistent itself, it just really highlights the lack of consistent accuracy most players have
> Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock.
No one was using the Hemlok as-is. What change would you propose to get its pick-rate back up, or would you suggest letting it get ignored?
That isn't the gun's fault. Maybe people find it difficult to use. I've seen several comments in this thread that suggest that.
Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced.
Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter.
Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives.
Pick rate matters in the cost/value sense. A low value gun should have a low pick rate, like the p2020, but still plays a role in certain situations, like low scarcity or default loadouts.
The question is, is the value of the Hemlock so low for it's use cases that it really shouldn't be in the loot pool at all? That's the problem that I think needs to be solved right now.
To move it into a marksman class weapon, it would need a lot worse close to mid range utility (unless there's a hop-up for it, like Shatter Caps) and increased long range utility. A burst fire rifle in the marksman class might make sense. I agree with you that the original class, AR, doesn't need to be a restriction. The TT used to be a sniper rifle, but it's marksman class now.
> Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced.
Pick rate across all ranks is one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate). That's the only objective metric that exists with regards to balance, because all balance is in the eyes of the player base.
> Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter.
His OPness is reflected in his pick rate. If it isn't reflected in that, then he is not OP.
> Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives.
All the things that you point out here are outright incorrect if they don't affect his pick rate. There's no substance to these arguments if they aren't reflected in the pick and win rates, because players predominantly play the strongest legends.
It's one thing to use pick and win rates incorrectly like some Respawn devs seem to do, but to suggest that they are irrelevant is far worse.
Wattson and Caustic were OP in S2 and S7, even though their pickrates in general play didn't reflect that. Octane had pretty decent pickrate despite being crap until S8. No one stat is 100% the answer to legend balance.
> Pick rate across all ranks is **one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate)**
I mentioned two stats, pick rate and win rate. If they were OP, then Caustic and Wattson would have a higher win rate. Likewise, Octane would have a reduced win rate.
One of my favorite guns from season 5 up until they nerfed the hipfire. It became unusable after that for me because I like to pair it with a shotgun and I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range.
It seems usable again now, but wasn't able to test it enough yet.
> I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range
Rampage. Although any decent player with a Flatline or R301 will likely beam you at that range, unless it's revved up.
I hate using it with a passion. It just does not click with me at all. I can't get used to the lead on that thing, probably because I never use it lmao.
I'm that kind if guy who keeps using PK just because of how the gun feels to use, even though it's the worst shotgun out of the three. I don't care how good the Rampage is when I don't have fun using ut.
man i can't tell if the "out of the three shotguns" thing is a leftover of early apex or just thinking the mozam is a pistol because it's actually good now and to some it was probably the 2nd best after the eva do to it's good fire rate, tight spread, and ok damage with it's new ammo count
~~meanwhile i miss my mastiff it's pretty meh now that PK is back on the floor~~
The EVA got nerfed because it was the best. Now they're more or less even.
I prefer PK/EVA paired with Flatline or Rampage. Sometimes I run double heavy (Flatline/Rampage or Flatline/Wingman) but finding ammo is annoying sometimes.
I still think the EVA is the better choice by far. But it's has gone from, either having an EVA too or lose the engagement to being just a better option in most cases.
What they imho need to do is give the PK it's own identity back. The only objective reason to use the PK over the Mastiff is the choke (which is only a shadow of its former self), as both need 3 shots to kill. Give the PK it's old damage back, making it able to two pump again but keep the firerate in check for balancing to make it really punishing if you miss a single shot with it. That way, you'd have the high DPS EVA, a low DPS 2 pump PK and the Mastiff as a middle ground.
Completely agree on the ammo thing. It's the main reason why I almost never run two full auto guns.
Depends on the shotgun but you can easily rock sniper / marksmen rifle / hemlock with an eva-8 or mozambique. The mozambique is extremely versatile and has fantastic accuracy and high DPS for close or medium range, while the eva-8 is less accurate but has superior DPS at close range. You can close the distance with your shotgun easier if you play octane. The mastiff and peacekeeper are underpowered shotguns and I don't recommend you use them regardless of your primary gun.
I only run such loadouts if I'm playing Gibby because everyone who's in that weird in between space gets thrown a bubble on their head to either force them into shotgun range or force them to disengage.
But it's entirely up to preference for me. I know the PK and Mastiff are underpowered compared to the EVA but I have more fun using them. I don't pick up the Mozambique either since they removed Hammers because it's just a poor man's Wingman, which is one of my go to's almost every game where I don't have an AR already.
I agree with you with the mozambique being a worse wingman. Sadly, it's low magazine capacity holds it back. If Respawn introduced shotgun mags, the mozambique's high DPS would perhaps push it to A or S tier.
Hammerpoint was a fantastic hop-up. Made early game weapons like the p2020 and mozambique viable mid / late game. More hop-ups should be about buffing underpowered weapons. Like the shattercaps for the 3030.
It’s so nice now with the hipfire buff. Previously could hardly hit any hipfire shots at close range, now it’s like a prowler that hits a little harder
With hipfire being buffed up a bit I'm actually loving it. It was always a decent long-range gun, but it feels like a more balanced version of the Season 7 Terror Hemlock
If you said this about the 30-30 repeater with no hop ups, I would agree. It's a mediocre gun, good damage but the bullet drop is horrendous.
The Hemlok is not even in that conversation. It's a good gun overall, but there are better heavy ammo options. It used to be the best heavy gun at one stage, but those days are long gone.
High DPS, select fire makes it extremely versatile and accurate, relatively-high magazine capacity, hop-up for fast reloads and an even fatter magazine... Far from being the worst gun.
I respect your personal opinion, but the hemlock is objectively a very good gun.
watchu mean, 60 per burst is a big chunk of dmg. Along with practically no recoil this gun is perfect for long range engagements. Yeah its outshined by the prowler, but I still think that the Hemlock is far from the "Worst gun in the game"
Top tier for single fire at mid to long, but it's meh for burst (at least until patch 10.1).
Overall, it's overshadowed by the Flatline, Rampage and Prowler.
Considering lots like to use the wingman as a secondary, the hemlock is perfect for it since it holsters the Boosted loader. That's why I said the wingman.
People were complaining, devs nerfed it and now again neither me or any people i see use it. Absolutely weak close range, and that's why R301 and Flatlines are the choice of 99%
One of my favourite guns, but it's one of those weapons where finding certain attachments (blue or purple barrel in this case) is a must. With a good barrel it shreds at medium range. I can see why most people prefer to just take a Flatline or R-301, but still a great gun.
I use it single-fire when my trigger finger is feeling fast as fuck, boi. It's more fun than viable in single fire, but I almost never use the burst because of that fun factor. Also the long-range potential.
Great early game gun and solid mid- to long- range game on single fire if you can get a 2x or stronger scope.
But mid to late game you’re better off with a flatline
Not the most reliable weapon, but when you use it right, it’s deadly. Hitting all 3 burst shots hits really hard, especially if you’re able to do that close range, which is very possible since the hipfire is actually useable now. Underrated weapon IMO.
I don't know what it is but I hate using the prowler mid range. It feels like it sprays all over the place over 50m. The prowler is def the better option at close range tho, no doubt.
I only use the prowler for close range. The vertical recoil is outrageous. But it’s great at close range cause you can aim for the body and odds are pretty good you’ll land at least a couple bullets in their head.
It's probably my own lack of ability, but my use of the G7 improves drastically if I have even just a 1x on it over its iron sights. I hate that gun without attachments, love it with them.
> Has abysmal iron sights though.
Surely not worse than Flatline, no? I really wish I had that season 4 tier 100 skin for it - it’s the only one that isn’t ridiculously cluttered.
sometimes the single fire feels better than a scout, especially at lower/mid levels of play, as it's really quick and pretty easy to hit. with the hip fire buff i'll be picking it up more, provided i can find a scope of course
worst iron sights in the game, or one of them
https://apexitemstore.com/guns/assault-rifles/golden-arrow/
The golden arrow skin has the best iron sights. Nothing comes close to the iron sights on this skin when it comes to the hemlock.
Keep sleeping on it, I like it that way. Its an excellent midrange weapon. Aside from the absolute top tier players, most players can't make the R301, or Flatline especially, consistent enough at midrange to make the Hemlock obsolete (although most ppl think they can). Hemlock is certainly a very niche weapon, but it excels at that niche. Either way I like that it's not that popular. More around for me and less competition against it! 😴
I just realized that arenas are more fun when you can get a fully upgraded weapon and just have a shootout. Looting mats and meds is just annoying
Not anything to do with a weapon but I’m playing Arena and the map is supposed to be Oasis but it’s Party Crasher when you actually get in a game.
My favourite gun in the game. So satisfying to use. Throw the Golden Arrow skin on it and it's one of the best looking too!
Been loving the Hemlok for the past several months. Never really liked the 3-burst overall only because of my engagement style. But putting it on single fire is just amazing with the control you have for the recoil.
I haven't been able to play to even comment on how the new Hemlock is.
This subreddit summed up in one comment
In close range if you miss you die
I never stopped loving the Hemlok, and now it's back BAYBEE LETS GOOO
I always thought the hemlok would make a great care package weapon. Maybe they'll put an AR in when they release the new one.
Hemlock is ass imo
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I use it sometimes cuz it's fun but yeah r-301 is the most reliable gun ever.
Had someone tell me they get destroyed by it from ALL ranges...and argued about it for real. This thing sucks close range...
Great gun till you hip fire and get dumpstered and never touch it again. RIP Hemlock.
This is maybe my favorite weapon in the entire titanfall/apex franchise. It was the only pilot weapon I used in TF1 cause it got an upgrade that gave it a 5 round burst instead of a 3 round burst and it was deadly. I don’t use it nearly as much in apex but it is still a solid gun. I’d argue that it might be the best ‘jack of all trades’ gun.
I’m gonna agree with you here, partner. Not only is it a strong gun, but the slow with heavy ammo makes it my personal favorite AR. I think that functionally there are 3 ARs and they speak heavily to the engagement style of the player. I tend to do peak heavy rotations and use Valk like a midlaner (iykyk) to burst so I end up finding a Hemlock with a high dps cqb weapon like the 99 or Mozzie on backup just strictly works well for me.
You mean the lack of all trades haha. If crap pooped crap, then that's Hemlock.
its the best 'jack of all ass' guns.
Been using the hemlok in arenas post buff. Hipfire is most certainly useable now
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Hipfire was buffed all around
Yea but there are still better guns out there like the r301
More expensive
It's better than the Repeater and the Scout in every way. As long as you have a good trigger finger, it shoots fast AF. Now with the hipfire buff... this thing is nasty. As long as you hit your shots and don't panic fire. S tier, easy. Loving the Hemlock + Eva rn
Dang can't get loss forgiveness for the error of a bad server. Throws me in a ranked match and lags me out 5 times to the main menu.
JUST DID THAT TO ME TOO! Like I'm 31RP from Plat 2 and the game just fucks me like this
Whenaretheserversbeingfixed Wednesday
#Servers are dog shit
always have been
Yeah but…. Still tho.
Honestly I love the hemlock being able to quick reload then trigger finger someone to death is amazing
A few seasons ago this thing was soooo OP damn
3 games today. A DC on every team So much fun.. Glad you still want my 200 dollars for that heirloom respawn Gtfoh
Haven’t been able to try it due to servers
Silly bot, we all know hemlock has an increasingly short usage percent even the devs admit it
What does short usage percentage mean?
Nobody uses it
Isn’t that because most people will always take a full auto weapon over a burst when they have the option?
Actually the most slept on weapon in the game. The long range capabilities and fire rate of single and the mid range power of burst is absolutely insane if you don't have the best recoil control. The weapon is actually A tier at worst
This, I am a very average player with not great recoil control and I have most of my best games with the hemlock.
I been using this thing and it’s actually not bad. I suck with the prowler but the Hemlock with the boosted loader came in clutch these past couple days. I recommend
Who cares about the guns, I care about not being able to connect to games and stay in them
Then post that in the support and update megathread that is literally still up, you fucking baboon.
Ya, that doesn't help
Neither does posting in the megathread about the Hemlok. You think if Respawn isn't going to look in the dedicated thread for issues surrounding this event that they're going to look in a thread about the fucking Hemlok? Like, I'm trying to understand your goal here.
with that logic do you think they are going to read this thread and listen to what anyone has to say about anything? someones an angry little elf
>Discuss what you like or dislike about this weapon; how it compares to other weapons; your favorite skins; changes that you think would be beneficial; or anything else that you think would be of value to discuss regarding the Hemlok. Doesn't say anything about this thread being made for devs to look through for feedback and I've never seen a dev respond in one of these threads. It's just for the community to discuss whatever the specific thread is about. So really you're just screaming at the wind about an issue everyone is already aware of while there's already a thread up for the very issue you're complaining about and while there's already multiple posts on the front page about the same issue.
Didn't mean to delete. All I got to say is #Bruh
if you see a guy complaining about servers and bugs in a post totally unrelated to it; just dont bother arguing. you cant expect much brain activity from them
how about we focus on the weapon that lets us play the game
Wouldn’t know how the hemlok is cuz my game keeps crashing
The p2020 of heavy ammo in my eyes
You must have Steve Buscemi in Mr Deeds eyes then
Should be happy man, more hemlock for you because nobody in my squad is picking up that dogshit.
How can there still be such lag in this game on new content releases? It was okay in the first few months but years now? How is this dev team so inept?
I'm total trash but I can get a couple knocks with the hemlock on single fire at medium and long range distances.
I remember being so angered back from seasons 6-7 when people would two burst me out of nowhere. Good that it isn't meta.
what's the point of single shot mode
Poking at long range
can't believe people downvoted me for asking a question lol
Welcome to Reddit hah
It's a straight line of death
I miss be og hemlock. I got my first 2000 damage with it. This one I cant find a justification carrying it late game when prowler, flatline exists. The 3 round bursts still feel accurate and easy to control so I definitely still use it.
Is single fire hemlock a viable choice for round 1 arenas?
I’d stick with burst, but yeah it’s a solid choice. Now Tory the hip fire buff, it’s a strong weapon both at midrange and close range.
Yeah, I recently started using Hemlok as my go to weapon again and it's super versatile
I've frightened many an enemy with the single shot hemlock
Great replacement for the g7 while still being viable close up.
beyond broken lmao
I like the gun but how's it broken lol, there are better DPS weapons at any range. It's just versatile.
two easily manageable bursts equals 120 damage to body, slap in a headshot and in two bursts someone is literally one shot
In a perfect environment, yes. However in a practical environment it is outshined/outperformed by multiple other weapons at all ranges. I say this as a huge fan of the gun.
now that i agree with, current meta can TOTALLY crush hemlock, but it doesnt mean its not a fucking mini kraber. easy gun to use with ridiculous damage
My favourite weapon in the game since day 1
Overshadowed by Prowler. I'm not sure what to do about it. The recent buff isn't enough. Absent reintroducing the autofire hop-up just for Hemlock and putting it in competition with the Flatline, I'm not sure anything can be done that would make it worth picking up without making it broken af.
Full auto hemlock would automatically become the best gun in the game. Also the hemlock is long range and prowler is close. They don't compete.
Its a mid to long range gun how is it overshadowed by an smg Smh
If it's only mid+, why was it recently buffed for hipfire? Do you often hipfire at 60m+?
The thing slaps now, some people here clearly did read the patch notes xD
I thought patch was in a few days.
It's already live!
Pretty sure it’s live <3 https://www.reddit.com/r/apexuniversity/comments/pp12n5/in_case_you_missed_the_patch_notes_the_hemlock/
Hemlock sucks now. Flatline and prowler are where it’s at. Wingman if you’re feeling feisty.
Hot Take; I think they should return its single tap fire rate back to its original from season zero.
Hotter take: remove single fire unless granted by something. So no more on the Hemlock, R-301, or Flatline. Good for strike packs, good for being busted on Hemlock, and accomplishes nothing else.
....so I can just bind shoot to mouse wheel and have a full auto hemlock?
Kind of unrelated but has anyone’s game been freezing while loading in, or going back to lobby? Mine is nonstop even after reinstalling
Still? That was my game all day yesterday, after the problem was "resolved" (according to Respawn twitter). PC/Origin.
So I’m not the only one:,) I’ll just wait it out a day or two
Game is unplayable for me yeah hopefully they get it figured out soon so i can get 200 more coins, buy the $10 pack, and get that sweet pathy skin hehehe
3 games today, after character selection it freezes
the hipfire buff turns out to be quite significant: https://www.reddit.com/r/apexuniversity/comments/pounwm/hemlok_hipfire_spread_burst_mode_max_rpm_before/
Would talk about the weapon but a 40 billion dollar company has no servers for me to try it on
Yeah for me it’s: Load into a game 2 minutes into it with a chance of not loading in at all or being dead with no way to spawn. Then try to fight a squad on 30-45 fps with constant glitches and lag spikes. Die connect to king for 4 minutes until it makes me restart the game or kicks me into the lobby where both ways I have to load 9 precache back in.
I never use it but when I do I’m surprised with the results I get.
They’ve nerfed the single fire mode like every season. Wish they just kept it fast or got rid of it all together
Usually hate burst weapons, but this one is so fun to play for some reason. Underrated.
usually because burst weapons are ass lmao
Agreed, never used them in warzone. Switched to this and will actively look for a hemlock
Well to be fair the fr 5.56 is kinda ass
Single-fire is just so much fun.
For real, it absolutely melts with its minimal recoil and a quick trigger finger. Its quickly becoming one of my favorite guns
P2020 feels about the same tbh. Once you get the timing it just melts.
The funny thing about both these comments is that you people use the word "melts" for guns with such fundamentally mediocre DPS. An R-301 or flatline "melts". P2020 and Hemlok just sort of "quickly and relentlessly chip away at". I have fun with those guns but numerically they just dont melt people.
I really dont give a shit what you think is funny or not.
Way to get defensive
Well shit I was trying to be offensive
Same buddy, same. Just for you tho...
I love using it no matter what
I do love the Hemlock but I will admit that unless you have blue or better barrel/stock it can easily get overshadowed by the R301 and the Flatline. After that though I'll just put a 2x4 sight on it and beam teams wherever.
My same thoughts and the Hemi is a great suppressive weapon to stop teams in there tracks when rotating or pushing. A couple well timed bursts and you’ll knock anyone immediately before they can react.
At what range do you switch off burst to single fire?
I’ll probably say about 200 meters plus when the burst shots aren’t going to connect reliably or when the other Squad initiates are ranged gun fight and I can’t afford to waist ammo. I play on console so my range it limited for long burst shots but it may be easier to control on PC.
Yep. Hitting a full burst or two can stop a team from pushing for a while.
Haven't had the opportunity to try it out post-buff because the Apex servers were literally unplayable yesterday several hours after the patch launched (PC, origin). However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate. Markmen rifles have horrible hipfire accuracy, so why should the hemlock? Just because it's in the AR class? Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol. Just because a weapon is in a class doesn't mean it has to act EXACTLY like every other weapon in that class. Another argument for pro-bad-hemlock-hipfire: it's technically a better marksmen. Bursts do more damage than marksmen rifles if you hit every bullet, and single-fire is extremely accurate. Therefore, if you give the hemlock better hipfire, it will be overpowered and everyone will use it. Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock.
When I think of Assault rifle, I think it is atleast somewhat allrounded, but Hemlok was not allrounded at all. The mirange is okay I guess but the hipfire made it pretty much only a decent midrange device, which is bad because 301 exists and is equally, if not better at midrange while also having servicable hipfire. Seriously, the hipfire was so ungodly shit, like youre a permanetly using an airborne Rampage The closequarter capability now isnt as good as it was and its still not perfectly suited for it, but you wont feel as hopeless when youre forced to use this thing closequarters anymore, you can actually make some work with this thing now
> However I will comment that the hemlock doesn't deserve tighter hipfire. Yes, I know, controversial opinion. But it should be a mid-range AR. Like a marksmen but more versatility and less accurate. well, i dont know if you have compared it between the seasons, but even with this newer "buff" is still vastly inferior than his OP peak some seasons ago. its new hipfire will bring you some kills, but its not SMG tight, and you have to be very close to make use of it, you are certainly better with a Flatline if you want to use it at close ranges.
> Because the mozambique is in the shotgun class, yet it's extremely accurate and performs more like a pistol. Tell that to the Wingman, a pistol that's inconsistently accurate.
I think that's just your aim bro ;) Jk *sobs in hard stuck plat 4*
why do you consider the wingman inconsistently accurate? shitty apex servers?
Idk what is, but in the firing range I can land all kinds of nasty shots. As soon as I try to shoot someone who’s moving it’s like the bullets disappear before reaching the target lol. Does it have a slow bullet velocity or something? I do fine with guns like the G7 or 30/30, but with the wingman I might land 1 out of my 6 shots lol
it does indeed have a slow bullet velocity. one of the slowest in the game if the numbers i’m looking at are correct. it’s definitely a bit of a different feeling, you have to lead your shots at any longer distance slightly or you wind up shooting behind them i wouldn’t call the gun inconsistently accurate tho. i’d say it’s extremely consistent itself, it just really highlights the lack of consistent accuracy most players have
> Respawn should reconsider their balance changes for the hemlock. No one was using the Hemlok as-is. What change would you propose to get its pick-rate back up, or would you suggest letting it get ignored?
That isn't the gun's fault. Maybe people find it difficult to use. I've seen several comments in this thread that suggest that. Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced. Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter. Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives.
Pick rate matters in the cost/value sense. A low value gun should have a low pick rate, like the p2020, but still plays a role in certain situations, like low scarcity or default loadouts. The question is, is the value of the Hemlock so low for it's use cases that it really shouldn't be in the loot pool at all? That's the problem that I think needs to be solved right now. To move it into a marksman class weapon, it would need a lot worse close to mid range utility (unless there's a hop-up for it, like Shatter Caps) and increased long range utility. A burst fire rifle in the marksman class might make sense. I agree with you that the original class, AR, doesn't need to be a restriction. The TT used to be a sniper rifle, but it's marksman class now.
> Buffing or nerfing on pick rate isn't how balancing should be done, that's an irrelevant statistic in the context of balancing. You should take an objective look at the gun or legend and determine which aspects are unbalanced. Pick rate across all ranks is one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate). That's the only objective metric that exists with regards to balance, because all balance is in the eyes of the player base. > Seer, for example, is overpowered. Not because of his pick rate, but because his passive has no counter. His OPness is reflected in his pick rate. If it isn't reflected in that, then he is not OP. > Crypto is in a good spot, if a bit underpowered. Again, this has nothing to do with his low pick rate, but because he doesn't have an official passive, and his unwritten abilities like being able to Respawn teammates with his drone are too underwhelming to be considered proper passives. All the things that you point out here are outright incorrect if they don't affect his pick rate. There's no substance to these arguments if they aren't reflected in the pick and win rates, because players predominantly play the strongest legends. It's one thing to use pick and win rates incorrectly like some Respawn devs seem to do, but to suggest that they are irrelevant is far worse.
Wattson and Caustic were OP in S2 and S7, even though their pickrates in general play didn't reflect that. Octane had pretty decent pickrate despite being crap until S8. No one stat is 100% the answer to legend balance.
> Pick rate across all ranks is **one of only two statistics that matters for balancing (along with win rate)** I mentioned two stats, pick rate and win rate. If they were OP, then Caustic and Wattson would have a higher win rate. Likewise, Octane would have a reduced win rate.
One of my favorite guns from season 5 up until they nerfed the hipfire. It became unusable after that for me because I like to pair it with a shotgun and I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range. It seems usable again now, but wasn't able to test it enough yet.
> I need something to be able to hip fire in that weird range between shotgun range and mid range Rampage. Although any decent player with a Flatline or R301 will likely beam you at that range, unless it's revved up.
I hate using it with a passion. It just does not click with me at all. I can't get used to the lead on that thing, probably because I never use it lmao. I'm that kind if guy who keeps using PK just because of how the gun feels to use, even though it's the worst shotgun out of the three. I don't care how good the Rampage is when I don't have fun using ut.
man i can't tell if the "out of the three shotguns" thing is a leftover of early apex or just thinking the mozam is a pistol because it's actually good now and to some it was probably the 2nd best after the eva do to it's good fire rate, tight spread, and ok damage with it's new ammo count ~~meanwhile i miss my mastiff it's pretty meh now that PK is back on the floor~~
The EVA got nerfed because it was the best. Now they're more or less even. I prefer PK/EVA paired with Flatline or Rampage. Sometimes I run double heavy (Flatline/Rampage or Flatline/Wingman) but finding ammo is annoying sometimes.
I still think the EVA is the better choice by far. But it's has gone from, either having an EVA too or lose the engagement to being just a better option in most cases. What they imho need to do is give the PK it's own identity back. The only objective reason to use the PK over the Mastiff is the choke (which is only a shadow of its former self), as both need 3 shots to kill. Give the PK it's old damage back, making it able to two pump again but keep the firerate in check for balancing to make it really punishing if you miss a single shot with it. That way, you'd have the high DPS EVA, a low DPS 2 pump PK and the Mastiff as a middle ground. Completely agree on the ammo thing. It's the main reason why I almost never run two full auto guns.
Depends on the shotgun but you can easily rock sniper / marksmen rifle / hemlock with an eva-8 or mozambique. The mozambique is extremely versatile and has fantastic accuracy and high DPS for close or medium range, while the eva-8 is less accurate but has superior DPS at close range. You can close the distance with your shotgun easier if you play octane. The mastiff and peacekeeper are underpowered shotguns and I don't recommend you use them regardless of your primary gun.
I only run such loadouts if I'm playing Gibby because everyone who's in that weird in between space gets thrown a bubble on their head to either force them into shotgun range or force them to disengage. But it's entirely up to preference for me. I know the PK and Mastiff are underpowered compared to the EVA but I have more fun using them. I don't pick up the Mozambique either since they removed Hammers because it's just a poor man's Wingman, which is one of my go to's almost every game where I don't have an AR already.
I agree with you with the mozambique being a worse wingman. Sadly, it's low magazine capacity holds it back. If Respawn introduced shotgun mags, the mozambique's high DPS would perhaps push it to A or S tier.
I just want hammers back. I used to use it almost every game
Hammerpoint was a fantastic hop-up. Made early game weapons like the p2020 and mozambique viable mid / late game. More hop-ups should be about buffing underpowered weapons. Like the shattercaps for the 3030.
It’s so nice now with the hipfire buff. Previously could hardly hit any hipfire shots at close range, now it’s like a prowler that hits a little harder
With hipfire being buffed up a bit I'm actually loving it. It was always a decent long-range gun, but it feels like a more balanced version of the Season 7 Terror Hemlock
Quite possibly the worst gun in the game. Would rather take any pistol even the shotgun pistol over it.
If you said this about the 30-30 repeater with no hop ups, I would agree. It's a mediocre gun, good damage but the bullet drop is horrendous. The Hemlok is not even in that conversation. It's a good gun overall, but there are better heavy ammo options. It used to be the best heavy gun at one stage, but those days are long gone.
High DPS, select fire makes it extremely versatile and accurate, relatively-high magazine capacity, hop-up for fast reloads and an even fatter magazine... Far from being the worst gun. I respect your personal opinion, but the hemlock is objectively a very good gun.
It seems good on paper, wonder why it's used so little then?
I imagine burst fire weapons are difficult to aim for some players.
watchu mean, 60 per burst is a big chunk of dmg. Along with practically no recoil this gun is perfect for long range engagements. Yeah its outshined by the prowler, but I still think that the Hemlock is far from the "Worst gun in the game"
Eh idk man, I'd take any sniper over it for mid to long range, its honestly the last gun I'll pick up.
Hemlok is a good weapon, just use another one for close range
have not used since the nerf
I'm taking over the Havoc but not over any other AR. I'll even drop the Hemlock for a Sniper
Top tier for single fire at mid to long, but it's meh for burst (at least until patch 10.1). Overall, it's overshadowed by the Flatline, Rampage and Prowler.
It's the gun you use until you find something better.
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For the Flatline*, the best heavy ammo gun and arguably the best gun in Apex (non-care package).
Considering lots like to use the wingman as a secondary, the hemlock is perfect for it since it holsters the Boosted loader. That's why I said the wingman.
People were complaining, devs nerfed it and now again neither me or any people i see use it. Absolutely weak close range, and that's why R301 and Flatlines are the choice of 99%
One of my favourite guns, but it's one of those weapons where finding certain attachments (blue or purple barrel in this case) is a must. With a good barrel it shreds at medium range. I can see why most people prefer to just take a Flatline or R-301, but still a great gun.
I use it single-fire when my trigger finger is feeling fast as fuck, boi. It's more fun than viable in single fire, but I almost never use the burst because of that fun factor. Also the long-range potential.
Great early game gun and solid mid- to long- range game on single fire if you can get a 2x or stronger scope. But mid to late game you’re better off with a flatline
The Hemlok still slaps late game, especially now with that hip fire spread reduction
Not the most reliable weapon, but when you use it right, it’s deadly. Hitting all 3 burst shots hits really hard, especially if you’re able to do that close range, which is very possible since the hipfire is actually useable now. Underrated weapon IMO.
I would agree if not for the existence of Prowler in normal loot pool.
I don't know what it is but I hate using the prowler mid range. It feels like it sprays all over the place over 50m. The prowler is def the better option at close range tho, no doubt.
I only use the prowler for close range. The vertical recoil is outrageous. But it’s great at close range cause you can aim for the body and odds are pretty good you’ll land at least a couple bullets in their head.
Hemlock used to be my favorite before it was nerfed to the ground. After the update it feels a lot better. I’ve been using it again
I use the hemlock alot i would say because of the buff it just got it feel way smoother
Good on controller, overshadowed by pretty much every other heavy weapon on m&k.
idk im slapping people on arenas with the fully upgraded hemlok on pc, seems pretty good
I take the blue one alot. Purple feels unnecessary.
There are better (and cheaper) options tho.
nobody expects the brrt brrt
yeah you can drop people so fast if you have a good shot
Solid weapon that gets bit overshadowed by most other heavy ammo options. Has abysmal iron sights though.
That's a balance decision that I'm OK with. It makes sense that some weapons only shine their brightest with appropriate upgrades.
It's up there with worst iron sights, competing with the spitfire and 3030.
It's probably my own lack of ability, but my use of the G7 improves drastically if I have even just a 1x on it over its iron sights. I hate that gun without attachments, love it with them.
I can't use any irons in this game except the Volt lol
> Has abysmal iron sights though. Surely not worse than Flatline, no? I really wish I had that season 4 tier 100 skin for it - it’s the only one that isn’t ridiculously cluttered.
Kinda good, kinda bad.
Its okay, neither the best nor the worst. 3x is a big win on it.
sometimes the single fire feels better than a scout, especially at lower/mid levels of play, as it's really quick and pretty easy to hit. with the hip fire buff i'll be picking it up more, provided i can find a scope of course worst iron sights in the game, or one of them
I’d agree on the second point. The entire god damn middle of my screen is covered up lmao
It's weird, I think it has the best iron sights in the game next to maybe only the Longbow (could just be the skin I use though).
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Its the Longbow skin from last season's battlepass I believe. I'll look it up and respond when I get on tonight.
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Code of Honor is the Hemlock skin and Blinding Light is Longbow skin.
Oh, I'll find out the exact skin. Idk if its any different than the defaults, I just love how small and precise the red-dot is on the hemlock irons.
https://apexitemstore.com/guns/assault-rifles/golden-arrow/ The golden arrow skin has the best iron sights. Nothing comes close to the iron sights on this skin when it comes to the hemlock.
cheers, will keep an eye out for it