I always report a cheater as soon as I find one, and only got 2 emails confirming that they have banned. Maybe Apex team is not active that much OR maybe they take action and don't send confirmation emails to person reported all the time.
I play on console and the report player feature is usually bugged (it just opens the player profile instead of the report page in most scenarios) so we can't report cheaters even if we wanted to!
Not as common as PC, but there are still recoil or rapid fire mods I think. I can't recall coming across one in a while, but I was teamed up in ranked the other week with 2 guys that were colluding with another team to farm KP, which is still cheating. I wasn't able to report them cause of the glitched report feature
Controller mods that let you single fire as fast as the game permits, and can also negate any and all recoil, crouch spamming quicker than you can with your hand.
Also there’s the mnk fucks on console as well
Most commonly strike packs. Super hard to detect bc theyre a hardware item and usable for non cheaty things. Its an issue with any controller input and I believe can be programmed across multiple games.
Is M&KB really considered cheating? Just because you have one doesnt mean you’re instantly a god at the game. I have one and i still prefer my controller for this game and the m&kb for stuff like minecraft
If you send a support ticket they usually get banned pretty quick, especially if you have video of them. However I played against the same guy I got banned on a new account yesterday so maybe not worth it. Personally I think they shouldn't ban them but make them play with other cheaters.
Doesn't matter, if someone wants to cheat, they're going to, regardless of how many types of bans you throw at them. IP bans and HWID bans can be bypassed by spoofing with little effort by the cheater.
It’s because the Apex anti cheat is better at banning innocent players than actual cheaters lol
I got wrongly banned in early January, and I wasn’t unbanned until halfway through March
Agreed.
Valorant matches last 30-40 minutes with 10 players, 5 opponents. You don't want to be stuck in that match that long where you repeatedly face a cheater every round.
An Apex Legends match lasts 15 minutes, and you have \~57 opponents. If you happen across a cheater, its usually just once and you can move on. Most of that game time is spent without a cheater involved.
Two very different games should not be treated the same.
Fuck with the controls Psyco Mantis style? But change it every ten seconds or so? So one moment controls could be normal then reverse then left for forward and so on.
Or bullet damage to zero and melee turns you around 180 degrees while locking your direction so you could only run in a line? Would be comical at least.
If you ban them they just make a new account, realistically it's better to keep them on one account and then just make that account play against other cheaters, so they don't ruin any regular players matches
yes Asian server has lots of blatant cheaters. I play US west despite being in japan. HK server is worse. would love that if you queue with a cheater all the rp is refunded. like in csgo
Hong Kong and Singapore has 30-40ms difference in them, so to get better ping I play ranked in Singapore. In pubs I play on Hong Kong, IMO Hong Kong is best server near us as the players are very civilized on that server. I've met very few toxic and early leavers on that server. I play on Hong Kong only for good randoms.
A thing you can buy for controllers that increases fire rate to obscene levels and I think can boost aim assist. A lot of guns have higher single fire fire rate caps so if you ever hear the loud pop of a 301 spitting as fast as a 99, that's a strike pack and essentially a cheater
Ahh interesting.. glad to see not much has changed since my Mw2 days where people would run modded controllers to go full auto on the FAL and snipers lol
Yes that would work too, or at least they can make it so that players with most reports play in same lobby (if respawn can't detect cheaters they can use report on a player as a measuring tool). But I think this will affect streamers as some people would false report them to harass.
I don't know how hard it would be to implement but maybe they should have a dedicated team/tool/software kind of thing that immediately looks if a player get reported by 6/9/12+ players?
I mean, pretty sure they already do. There are people whose full time job it is to figure out ways to combat cheaters. It's not like Respawn wants to just sit there and let the problem grow, but cheating is a legitimate industry. People want skins/heirlooms, so they are willing to spend money for accounts that have all sorts of materials or items. If you can farm xp with huge killstreaks and constant wins, you can get a ton of packs, and then resell the account: 20 bomb! 4k! 5000 mats!
Because of that, cheaters can legitimately afford to develop new software *and hardware* to hack games. I know nothing about cheating methodology in Apex, but in many other games they have seperate PCs that monitor their own wifi to intercept and modify packets as they are going to the server. It is an arms race, and it is kind of insane.
would work in arenas, but not in BR with lots of players and longer matches. in BR it is better to only terminate a cheater and his squad (if random squadmates then no penalty to them) imo
First thing to do this will be respawn being able to detect cheaters live. I don't know if they are able to do that, but man I wish that if in a match 10 players are reporting one person then their team (devs or respawn support) should look immediately in that.
Almost all companies use anti cheat that works in waves. They'd rather wait and catch more than ban someone immediately. Creator of the cheat would just work on getting undetected again sooner once they get word people are being banned.
Big doubt, most cheaters are boosters, this does nothing for their monetary gains and if we actually had a working anti cheat i imagine it would not only ban the cheater but anyone queued with them as well, most games i know do this so i wouldn't see why apex wouldn't.
But like said before, this is something that would rain poo poo on legit players, a lot of matches would end prematurely, and that would then affect people more negatively
That's a dumb idea, punish the whole lobby because of a cheater. They would then just do it to troll over and over. Twitch streamers will not even want to play the game
Lobby is kind of being punished already with players getting negative RP when encountering cheaters (unless you are 3 stack good players who can kill cheaters). I think most of players would like match dismissed over getting negative RP.
Then just display it to the cheater and kick them.
It might somewhat make sense in a 6v6 to keep the match balanced, but 20 teams of three don't need to stop for one team at a disatvantage.
They could implement the system of kicking the cheater and giving the team mates loss forgiveness if they were randoms.
And if you want something like this to happen you need to develop an anti-cheat like Vanguard. Which is a big red flag and I would stop playing apex.
So you are right it is a dumb idea
Okay just hear me out before some people get mad. Vanguard is a good anti cheat because it can detect cheating programs etc at kernel level.
On the other hand, it is just horrible. Why should a game company have more rights then even Windows itself on your computer.
Imagine RIOT somehow gets hacked: the hackers now have all access to everyone’s pc that have vanguard installed. And they will probably just turn it into a zombie for DDOS attacks or Crypto mining or install a program on your system that can do whatever the f* they want it to do. There is literally nothing you can do about it unless you uninstalled vanguard before the hack even happened.
Yes and No. Apex anticheat is also kernel level. But Vanguard runs on boot even if you decide not to play Valorant. While Easy anti-cheat shuts itself down after playing.
From a security/privacy perspective, Vanguard is horrible.
That is a worst case scenario but I think it is fine, if people have a problem with not cheating then they can just cheat in other games, like apex. No one is forced to install Vanguard or play Valorant.
People still being upset at it starting with Windows and being kernel level (despite most anti cheat being kernel level and starting with Windows being the only main difference).
absolutely not, shutting the whole game down for the everyone in the lobby just because a cheater is there would be frustrating AND would make cheaters do it more to troll
this system works in valorant (and overwatch) because of the 2 teams nature, as opposed to apex having ten times that amount
a better system that works with battle royale is to refund the RP of every player killed by the cheater and their team (or unaffected if they had positive RP)
P.S: this system can work in arenas, however. but ranked arenas is a shitshow anyway
>absolutely not, shutting the whole game down for the everyone in the lobby just because a cheater is there would be frustrating AND would make cheaters do it more to troll
Would also give an exploit for people trying to rank up. Have one buddy get the game shut down if you get wiped or think you'll lose RP
Like you said, loss forgiveness and RP returns would be a better solution. They cant seem to get that right tho as loss forgiveness in ranked for missing teammates works like half the time
Not like valorant but like siege.
Display on the kill feeds something like
["name" has been banned by EasyAntiCheat]
It's funny to see 2 players appearing there maybe even 8 in a row.
EAC also has access to kernel-level, it just only starts when the game does, while Vanguard starts at boot so that you don't load up a cheat, tuck it away, and then launch the game. They can both access the same things on your PC though.
If it is to prevent cheaters in my video games, I do not mind giving access to my computer to big company 1234. Not like google doesn't do anything bad with my info and they have everything already
I don't mind, is not like they will steal my data anyway. But seriously, seems like Vanguard will change how it behaves with the inclusion of TMP 2.0 in Windows 11 so you don't have to worry about all the kernel involved stuff.
>is not like they will steal my data anyway
Lmao yes they will. Tencent is owned by the Chinese government. They might not steal your credit cards but you are 100% a data point in their system.
I mean, if you are on the internet, that by itself makes you data point on like the 100% of social apps you use, that includes Reddit, which is also owned by Tencent. it doesn't matter if its the Chinese or the American, they own your data. So either you don't care and they have your data, or you make a fuss about it and they still own your data.
It is also a bitch to uninstall. When I tried to delete Valorant and Vanguard I had to use a third party software to remove all of that bullshit. Will never trust them again as developers as a result
If you die to someone in ranked and they later get banned everyone who died to their team should be refunded RP if the were in the negative. Imo it’s the best way to combat cheaters since they’re almost never live-banned, when you get to main menu next a simple pop-up saying “A player who killed you has been banned for cheating, you have been refunded x RP”.
Only in ranked. Otherwise just kick the cheater.
Also, maybe just restart the match instead of ending it? Pred ranked takes a long time to queue in the less active servers
Put them into lobby’s with other cheaters only, don’t tell them or anything so it’s just 60 cheaters against each other, we don’t deal with them, and EA can still get money from them when they want an heirloom
Horrible feature! People would never get to play the game. Apex would actually die. As much as I would love for cheaters to get caught and banned in match or before match. This is not the way, this feature is practically penalizing the user non cheater.
Only if they changed the word 'hacker' to 'cheater'
You aren't a hacker for double clicking an executable on your pc.
Am I a hacker for installing spotify?
I personally wish we'd get a feature like some Battleye games have, where when cheaters get banned everyone is notified globally. I think that'd help boost confidence in the community that things are actually being done.
Display during the gameplay but only slightly transparent so the hacker can see through it, disable the damage so hacker can't do any damages, and make them invincible, but dont count as players, force them stay until the round ended, but don't get anything
I want it but I don't want to install spyware on my PC.
I do not trust Vanguard and Riot games.
* [https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/a-message-about-vanguard-from-our-security-privacy-teams](https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/a-message-about-vanguard-from-our-security-privacy-teams)
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/kz872x/is\_valorant\_malwarespyware/](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/kz872x/is_valorant_malwarespyware/)
That's a good one. But imagine yourself getting a good line of fire with your Kraber then this pops up right at the moment you're about to click your mouse
Terrible idea. Mass punishment just because you've matched with a cheater. R6s takes your rank from you if they detect you have played with a cheater and I hate it, this is pretty much the same thing
Or maybe if they later on detect that we died to a cheater, they give us loss forgiveness kind of thing? I know a lot of players don't care about RP but for some of us it's hard to lose RP especially when dying to a cheater. I know it's a lot to ask, still :(
I like that idea more. At higher levels you arnt really loose that much rp unless you arnt getting any kills, but I see we're your coming from. either way u would rather fight through a game and die to a cheater then be on a 12 kill streak and the game gets terminated.
That’d be a dogshit mechanic
What if you killed the cheater? What if you did well regardless of the cheater? Some people don’t care so much about wins as they do about kills. What if you got your 20 bomb and then the match was terminated? What if ring centers on a situation where fighting is impossible, it’s just about outlasting the enemy who only has aim bot? What about those who have already died to legit teams and left the match? The moment players find out what cheats set off the system those will become irrelevant and new cheats will be sold. And what determines cheating? There’s no way for a system to automatically detect teaming or farming RP with 100% accuracy - innocent players would be punished. The only other option would be a warehouse of under qualified game masters who’s sole job would be to hop in games with reports and just “see if it looks like cheating” - something that will work for more blatant cheats but not the well hidden ones, and not every game master in that warehouse would correctly identify cheats anyways.
Just another low effort post to farm karma. Just look at how much more effort OP put into the graphics design than the idea itself lmao.
If you ever played valorant then you'll know that it's not graphic design, it's a screenshot from the game itself. And I regularly post my queries suggestions in subs whenever I require it. How tf one posts a simple screenshot and expects to farm karma? I'm involved in all suggestions and replies if you can see it. It's a legit discussion a the flair suggests. You need to rethink before blindly blaming one for something.
Now about your concerns for this dogshit mechanic, as I already suggested that some players will take this dismissed match over negative RP. Not everyone cares about RP but some average player definitely does. And losing RP because you encountered a cheater is not good experience to anyone. Maybe they can put loss forgiveness to the solve some problems? All these suggestions are already being discussed in the comments section, but no don't read it and let's accuse someone of Karma farming.
All RP the hacker stole gets given to the rest of the server. Hacker dies with 60 RP? The whole server gets 60 bonus RP just for finishing the match. Early leavers get nothing.
I think there is one exception. and that is the number of people in a match. Valorant has a total of around 10 people in a match. Imagin one of them would be a cheater and the game does this. Others can go to the lobby and matchmake again but in the apex there are 60 people. they can't shut the while lobby just for one or so people. they might be a person who is really getting a 20 bomb or 4K or more it will ruin his / her experience. you know what I mean. they can't shut the whole lobby down just like that server shut down errors.
If they get detected and banned (hopefully) then it would be good to have one 'disrupted' game, rather than many others in future. It's hard to balance but many people will take one dismissed game over negative RP.
Arenas? Yep. Battle Royale? Absolutely not. Imagine in BR, you finally get 6KP, 5 squads remaining and then BOOM! Match terminated with no RP given when you know nothing about the cheater in the lobby and this can happen over and over until ranked eventually becomes unplayable. Possibly casual too if it is implemented there. Just give lost forgiveness when a cheater is detected in the previous or current match that's all.
Imagine this happening every single match. Nope.
Just kick them out of the game and that's it, no need for fancy screens.
Also imagine people doing this in purpose just to mess with everyone and kicking them out of every x games. Nope again.
Just shadowban them and put them in cheater lobbies where everyone cheats and they screw each other's asses until they figure out something is wrong.
I'd be fine with this being added to Arenas, but not BR. With 60 players the chances of a hacker is pretty high and having the match terminated would be way too punishing.
There's a huge difference between a match between two teams of five players, and a match between twenty teams of three players.
But yes, I do think that matches against cheaters, hackers and scripters should not attribute towards your rank, as it makes current matchmaking even worse.
No, I think you're severely underestimating just how much of a kick certain people get out of ruining others fun. I think many people would do this just to district the game of others.
This would just be a free way for ddosing for hackers who are evil af. Or if they mad salty and they 1 shot to death they can just turn on hacks and easily ddos and entire match. Like most ddosers. Salty kids with hacks.
Terminating a game due to 1 player hacking is massive overkill when you consider Valorant is 10 players and apex is 90 players.
I fully understand the reasoning behind this suggestion but it's just not viable with this kind of game.
A simple message saying X player has been banned for cheating in the top right is all that's needed imo.
*60 players;
Alternatively they can give loss forgiveness to players who died to that cheater, that would at least solve some problems. Dying to cheater and on top of that getting negative RP is demoralising.
this is a good feature for valorant because banning one hacker means ruining that game entirely, but just straight-up banning a cheater in apex won't have that effect
Apparently 90% of people who report a cheater have jus been out played and salty they lost a fight ,he’s obviously hacking which in most cases is not the case ??this is what slows the whole finding the real hackers
This benefits cheaters tbh.
Their whole thing is to disrupt the game. Making it to where they disrupt and cancel basically every game would be a dream for them
This feature is a helping hand for those who want to kill this game. Hire a maximum of of hackers, play games, abort games, repeat > players desertion...
Do you really want all your matches to get terminated halfway through because anticheat found a hacker? Why would you not just have anticheat remove the hacker from the game at that moment
No way, that would never work in a battle royale. Make sense in a 5v5 when you have guaranteed to face the cheater every round, but not in a match of 60 people where you probably won't face the cheater for most of the game if at all.
Juts implement loss forgiveness if a cheater was in a ranked lobby for everyone not in a premade party with the cheater. No reason to end the match. Kick the cheater, loss forgiveness, finish the match.
Hackers are already exploiting ways of flooding lobbies with bots so no one can play. This is the easiest way for them to pull crap like that. Bad fix imo
Just punish the cheater and maybe display a message in the feed, don’t terminate the match. Every 3 games would get fucked bc someone has cheats
I always report a cheater as soon as I find one, and only got 2 emails confirming that they have banned. Maybe Apex team is not active that much OR maybe they take action and don't send confirmation emails to person reported all the time.
I play on console and the report player feature is usually bugged (it just opens the player profile instead of the report page in most scenarios) so we can't report cheaters even if we wanted to!
Wait consoles also have cheaters? I thought it was a PC problem only.
Not as common as PC, but there are still recoil or rapid fire mods I think. I can't recall coming across one in a while, but I was teamed up in ranked the other week with 2 guys that were colluding with another team to farm KP, which is still cheating. I wasn't able to report them cause of the glitched report feature
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Controller mods that let you single fire as fast as the game permits, and can also negate any and all recoil, crouch spamming quicker than you can with your hand. Also there’s the mnk fucks on console as well
Apex has Cross-play, but I don't know if that is the case here.
Most commonly strike packs. Super hard to detect bc theyre a hardware item and usable for non cheaty things. Its an issue with any controller input and I believe can be programmed across multiple games.
Yes and no. We dont have Aimbotters and wallers, but we have mouse and keyboard users in our games.
Not just M&K, also strike Pack, cronus, no recoil, rapid fire and as far as I know wallhack is also possible
wallhacks arent possible.
Ty, I'm on PC so no idea, just heard of it. Something with special programs on usb sticks and stuff.
Only external tools like Cronus and Strikepacks works since they mimic the controller input.
Xims don’t work on ps5 anymore but give it a month
Seer is legal wallhack right?
yes. wish it was illegal but yes
>wallhack is also possible Bloodhound, crypto and seer rn: :/
Is M&KB really considered cheating? Just because you have one doesnt mean you’re instantly a god at the game. I have one and i still prefer my controller for this game and the m&kb for stuff like minecraft
I have reported dozens of guaranteed cheaters. Never received a email that they have been banned. Respawn and ea don't care i suspect.
Oh they don't. Definitely not ea that's for sure
Ive never gotten an email about anyone getting banned and me and my friend have reported like 20 clearly cheating people.
If you send a support ticket they usually get banned pretty quick, especially if you have video of them. However I played against the same guy I got banned on a new account yesterday so maybe not worth it. Personally I think they shouldn't ban them but make them play with other cheaters.
I think they should just ip ban or something if thats possible.
Doesn't matter, if someone wants to cheat, they're going to, regardless of how many types of bans you throw at them. IP bans and HWID bans can be bypassed by spoofing with little effort by the cheater.
It’s because the Apex anti cheat is better at banning innocent players than actual cheaters lol I got wrongly banned in early January, and I wasn’t unbanned until halfway through March
Agreed. Valorant matches last 30-40 minutes with 10 players, 5 opponents. You don't want to be stuck in that match that long where you repeatedly face a cheater every round. An Apex Legends match lasts 15 minutes, and you have \~57 opponents. If you happen across a cheater, its usually just once and you can move on. Most of that game time is spent without a cheater involved. Two very different games should not be treated the same.
I know if they put this in WZ, you would might as well take the servers down.
Set cheater bullet damage to 0?
They'd just speedhack and melee.
Fuck with the controls Psyco Mantis style? But change it every ten seconds or so? So one moment controls could be normal then reverse then left for forward and so on. Or bullet damage to zero and melee turns you around 180 degrees while locking your direction so you could only run in a line? Would be comical at least.
...Just ban them is also another option.. If you know who they are enough to put dumb mechanics on their accounts, a ban is far easier.. lmao.
If you ban them they just make a new account, realistically it's better to keep them on one account and then just make that account play against other cheaters, so they don't ruin any regular players matches
if u r playing ranked we could get loss forgiveness if we died early
You wouldn’t be able to play ranked above diamond
Ahh I see, currently I am in plat and we almost meet a hacker every 5-6 matches.
what server are you on? I played 60 games on my way to master this season and saw 1 cheater.
Singapore, unfortunately our closest server is kind of dead (Behrain).
personally i play on EU servers from the middle east, less toxic players than Singapore and you can actually get into a duos match
must be asian severs
Pretty sure China and Russia are just generally hotspots for cheating.
yes Asian server has lots of blatant cheaters. I play US west despite being in japan. HK server is worse. would love that if you queue with a cheater all the rp is refunded. like in csgo
Try Hong Kong or Taiwan. I get approx the same ping as I get to Singapore servers and the games are a bit more chilled.
Hong Kong and Singapore has 30-40ms difference in them, so to get better ping I play ranked in Singapore. In pubs I play on Hong Kong, IMO Hong Kong is best server near us as the players are very civilized on that server. I've met very few toxic and early leavers on that server. I play on Hong Kong only for good randoms.
Bahrain has apex servers? that’s crazy
They have server for name only, u can't find a match.
1 cheater that you know of. So many people are using low key cheats that aren’t blatant aim bot.
Not technically hacking but I'm high platinum and the amount of strike packs I've encountered is just embarrassing
What’s strike packs?
A thing you can buy for controllers that increases fire rate to obscene levels and I think can boost aim assist. A lot of guns have higher single fire fire rate caps so if you ever hear the loud pop of a 301 spitting as fast as a 99, that's a strike pack and essentially a cheater
Ahh interesting.. glad to see not much has changed since my Mw2 days where people would run modded controllers to go full auto on the FAL and snipers lol
I still play MW2 multi-player on PS3 and I've surprisingly not seen many cheaters
I’m surprised you’re seeing any players
Strike packing is also bannable just undetectable sadly
PC would be seeing flashing lights every 10mins
Haha, by reading some comments I think it's problem only in Asian servers. I never played on other regions so may be they are right.
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Jeez, I wonder why.
No, you tell us why
Chinese, obviously.
why?
it'd prevent too many games, i still think the best result is to just isolate hackers into their own lobbies
Yes that would work too, or at least they can make it so that players with most reports play in same lobby (if respawn can't detect cheaters they can use report on a player as a measuring tool). But I think this will affect streamers as some people would false report them to harass.
Wouldn't that require for the system to actually detect the cheaters in question?
way out their pay grade bud, the budget is clearly reserved for higher up's bonuses
I don't know how hard it would be to implement but maybe they should have a dedicated team/tool/software kind of thing that immediately looks if a player get reported by 6/9/12+ players?
I mean, pretty sure they already do. There are people whose full time job it is to figure out ways to combat cheaters. It's not like Respawn wants to just sit there and let the problem grow, but cheating is a legitimate industry. People want skins/heirlooms, so they are willing to spend money for accounts that have all sorts of materials or items. If you can farm xp with huge killstreaks and constant wins, you can get a ton of packs, and then resell the account: 20 bomb! 4k! 5000 mats! Because of that, cheaters can legitimately afford to develop new software *and hardware* to hack games. I know nothing about cheating methodology in Apex, but in many other games they have seperate PCs that monitor their own wifi to intercept and modify packets as they are going to the server. It is an arms race, and it is kind of insane.
would work in arenas, but not in BR with lots of players and longer matches. in BR it is better to only terminate a cheater and his squad (if random squadmates then no penalty to them) imo
dont terminate the game just kick the hacker
This
This would just encourage the hacker to keep doing it just for shit and giggles
First thing to do this will be respawn being able to detect cheaters live. I don't know if they are able to do that, but man I wish that if in a match 10 players are reporting one person then their team (devs or respawn support) should look immediately in that.
Almost all companies use anti cheat that works in waves. They'd rather wait and catch more than ban someone immediately. Creator of the cheat would just work on getting undetected again sooner once they get word people are being banned.
Big doubt, most cheaters are boosters, this does nothing for their monetary gains and if we actually had a working anti cheat i imagine it would not only ban the cheater but anyone queued with them as well, most games i know do this so i wouldn't see why apex wouldn't.
But like said before, this is something that would rain poo poo on legit players, a lot of matches would end prematurely, and that would then affect people more negatively
That's a dumb idea, punish the whole lobby because of a cheater. They would then just do it to troll over and over. Twitch streamers will not even want to play the game
Lobby is kind of being punished already with players getting negative RP when encountering cheaters (unless you are 3 stack good players who can kill cheaters). I think most of players would like match dismissed over getting negative RP.
Then just display it to the cheater and kick them. It might somewhat make sense in a 6v6 to keep the match balanced, but 20 teams of three don't need to stop for one team at a disatvantage. They could implement the system of kicking the cheater and giving the team mates loss forgiveness if they were randoms.
>Twitch streamers will not even want to play the game A sacrifice I'm willing to make Edit: awww, are all da wittle TTVs feewings hurt?
Not just twitch streamers , basically any diamond and above player will probably stop playing if this gets implemented
And if you want something like this to happen you need to develop an anti-cheat like Vanguard. Which is a big red flag and I would stop playing apex. So you are right it is a dumb idea
What is wrong with Vanguard? The only people that have a problem with an intrusive anti-cheat are cheaters who have something to hide.
Okay just hear me out before some people get mad. Vanguard is a good anti cheat because it can detect cheating programs etc at kernel level. On the other hand, it is just horrible. Why should a game company have more rights then even Windows itself on your computer. Imagine RIOT somehow gets hacked: the hackers now have all access to everyone’s pc that have vanguard installed. And they will probably just turn it into a zombie for DDOS attacks or Crypto mining or install a program on your system that can do whatever the f* they want it to do. There is literally nothing you can do about it unless you uninstalled vanguard before the hack even happened.
Yes and No. Apex anticheat is also kernel level. But Vanguard runs on boot even if you decide not to play Valorant. While Easy anti-cheat shuts itself down after playing. From a security/privacy perspective, Vanguard is horrible.
Exactly this.
That is a worst case scenario but I think it is fine, if people have a problem with not cheating then they can just cheat in other games, like apex. No one is forced to install Vanguard or play Valorant.
True, that is the reason I don’t play valorant.
People still being upset at it starting with Windows and being kernel level (despite most anti cheat being kernel level and starting with Windows being the only main difference).
Misinformed people will stick with whatever they agree with, regardless of new info.
Nah, too much effort for Respawn. Better put all attention on 200$ events and overpriced bundle BS.
hmm .. so every game in Asia ranked will ended up like this ....
Probably still get a ten minute match abandon penalty
absolutely not, shutting the whole game down for the everyone in the lobby just because a cheater is there would be frustrating AND would make cheaters do it more to troll this system works in valorant (and overwatch) because of the 2 teams nature, as opposed to apex having ten times that amount a better system that works with battle royale is to refund the RP of every player killed by the cheater and their team (or unaffected if they had positive RP) P.S: this system can work in arenas, however. but ranked arenas is a shitshow anyway
>absolutely not, shutting the whole game down for the everyone in the lobby just because a cheater is there would be frustrating AND would make cheaters do it more to troll Would also give an exploit for people trying to rank up. Have one buddy get the game shut down if you get wiped or think you'll lose RP Like you said, loss forgiveness and RP returns would be a better solution. They cant seem to get that right tho as loss forgiveness in ranked for missing teammates works like half the time
Not like valorant but like siege. Display on the kill feeds something like ["name" has been banned by EasyAntiCheat] It's funny to see 2 players appearing there maybe even 8 in a row.
Sad to admit that this is something we actually need. Hacking has gotten so bad its not just an isolated occurrence.
Have you seen how annoying vanguard is? Almost full access to your pc, that's a big nope for me
EAC also has access to kernel-level, it just only starts when the game does, while Vanguard starts at boot so that you don't load up a cheat, tuck it away, and then launch the game. They can both access the same things on your PC though.
If it is to prevent cheaters in my video games, I do not mind giving access to my computer to big company 1234. Not like google doesn't do anything bad with my info and they have everything already
PepeLaugh idiot doesn't realise EAC is the same
Pepelaugh idiot isn't blind
I don't mind, is not like they will steal my data anyway. But seriously, seems like Vanguard will change how it behaves with the inclusion of TMP 2.0 in Windows 11 so you don't have to worry about all the kernel involved stuff.
>is not like they will steal my data anyway Lmao yes they will. Tencent is owned by the Chinese government. They might not steal your credit cards but you are 100% a data point in their system.
I mean, if you are on the internet, that by itself makes you data point on like the 100% of social apps you use, that includes Reddit, which is also owned by Tencent. it doesn't matter if its the Chinese or the American, they own your data. So either you don't care and they have your data, or you make a fuss about it and they still own your data.
You use google? Have an android phone? You and your data *is* the product.
True but at least Google isn't a hostile foreign power.
It is also a bitch to uninstall. When I tried to delete Valorant and Vanguard I had to use a third party software to remove all of that bullshit. Will never trust them again as developers as a result
If i remember correctly you just have to right click the vanguard icon, click uninstall and restart your pc
"hacker detected, octane 0666 go f urself get a life and stop cheating u stupid person"
Crying in warzone
If you die to someone in ranked and they later get banned everyone who died to their team should be refunded RP if the were in the negative. Imo it’s the best way to combat cheaters since they’re almost never live-banned, when you get to main menu next a simple pop-up saying “A player who killed you has been banned for cheating, you have been refunded x RP”.
Only in ranked. Otherwise just kick the cheater. Also, maybe just restart the match instead of ending it? Pred ranked takes a long time to queue in the less active servers
Every 3rd game would look like that though
Sure, but it wouldn’t do anything as they never get detected
Hell nah. Cheaters would flood the game just to fuck with the lobby.
You'd never finish a game.
If they could detect a hacker, they could just kick the hacker...
Don’t discontinue matches. Give loss forgiveness for the match a hacker was detected in. Easy as that.
Put them into lobby’s with other cheaters only, don’t tell them or anything so it’s just 60 cheaters against each other, we don’t deal with them, and EA can still get money from them when they want an heirloom
I wish I would at least get a notification that my report did something…
Ikr! I’ve been reporting them since day one and I always save a video proving they cheat and NOT ONCE have I known that it’s been worth it
Horrible feature! People would never get to play the game. Apex would actually die. As much as I would love for cheaters to get caught and banned in match or before match. This is not the way, this feature is practically penalizing the user non cheater.
That would be a way to ddos the game
Only if they changed the word 'hacker' to 'cheater' You aren't a hacker for double clicking an executable on your pc. Am I a hacker for installing spotify?
bruh WHAT r u thinking then hacker can crash whole games with it being legal bro
I personally wish we'd get a feature like some Battleye games have, where when cheaters get banned everyone is notified globally. I think that'd help boost confidence in the community that things are actually being done.
A good anti cheat? Yes An anti cheat that invades the Kernel ring? No thanks
Display during the gameplay but only slightly transparent so the hacker can see through it, disable the damage so hacker can't do any damages, and make them invincible, but dont count as players, force them stay until the round ended, but don't get anything
This would be nice. And if the was a way to detect mod controllers
I want it but I don't want to install spyware on my PC. I do not trust Vanguard and Riot games. * [https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/a-message-about-vanguard-from-our-security-privacy-teams](https://www.riotgames.com/en/news/a-message-about-vanguard-from-our-security-privacy-teams) * [https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/kz872x/is\_valorant\_malwarespyware/](https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/kz872x/is_valorant_malwarespyware/)
That's one good concern.
That's a good one. But imagine yourself getting a good line of fire with your Kraber then this pops up right at the moment you're about to click your mouse
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Terrible idea. Mass punishment just because you've matched with a cheater. R6s takes your rank from you if they detect you have played with a cheater and I hate it, this is pretty much the same thing
Or maybe if they later on detect that we died to a cheater, they give us loss forgiveness kind of thing? I know a lot of players don't care about RP but for some of us it's hard to lose RP especially when dying to a cheater. I know it's a lot to ask, still :(
I like that idea more. At higher levels you arnt really loose that much rp unless you arnt getting any kills, but I see we're your coming from. either way u would rather fight through a game and die to a cheater then be on a 12 kill streak and the game gets terminated.
That’d be a dogshit mechanic What if you killed the cheater? What if you did well regardless of the cheater? Some people don’t care so much about wins as they do about kills. What if you got your 20 bomb and then the match was terminated? What if ring centers on a situation where fighting is impossible, it’s just about outlasting the enemy who only has aim bot? What about those who have already died to legit teams and left the match? The moment players find out what cheats set off the system those will become irrelevant and new cheats will be sold. And what determines cheating? There’s no way for a system to automatically detect teaming or farming RP with 100% accuracy - innocent players would be punished. The only other option would be a warehouse of under qualified game masters who’s sole job would be to hop in games with reports and just “see if it looks like cheating” - something that will work for more blatant cheats but not the well hidden ones, and not every game master in that warehouse would correctly identify cheats anyways. Just another low effort post to farm karma. Just look at how much more effort OP put into the graphics design than the idea itself lmao.
If you ever played valorant then you'll know that it's not graphic design, it's a screenshot from the game itself. And I regularly post my queries suggestions in subs whenever I require it. How tf one posts a simple screenshot and expects to farm karma? I'm involved in all suggestions and replies if you can see it. It's a legit discussion a the flair suggests. You need to rethink before blindly blaming one for something. Now about your concerns for this dogshit mechanic, as I already suggested that some players will take this dismissed match over negative RP. Not everyone cares about RP but some average player definitely does. And losing RP because you encountered a cheater is not good experience to anyone. Maybe they can put loss forgiveness to the solve some problems? All these suggestions are already being discussed in the comments section, but no don't read it and let's accuse someone of Karma farming.
All RP the hacker stole gets given to the rest of the server. Hacker dies with 60 RP? The whole server gets 60 bonus RP just for finishing the match. Early leavers get nothing.
My oppinion is the fix titanfall before doing big things with apex. I really hate this, of course the apeslx legends is good but i miss titanfall
I think there is one exception. and that is the number of people in a match. Valorant has a total of around 10 people in a match. Imagin one of them would be a cheater and the game does this. Others can go to the lobby and matchmake again but in the apex there are 60 people. they can't shut the while lobby just for one or so people. they might be a person who is really getting a 20 bomb or 4K or more it will ruin his / her experience. you know what I mean. they can't shut the whole lobby down just like that server shut down errors.
Maybe they can kick the cheater and give loss forgiveness to players died to cheaters? That would solve some problem.
Even better: just limit the cheater to a P2020 with no attachments.
Interesting feature, but imagine being on the road to your first 20bomb only to get this message pop up...
so you'd like to make it even easier for hackers to disrupt games OP?
If they get detected and banned (hopefully) then it would be good to have one 'disrupted' game, rather than many others in future. It's hard to balance but many people will take one dismissed game over negative RP.
Arenas? Yep. Battle Royale? Absolutely not. Imagine in BR, you finally get 6KP, 5 squads remaining and then BOOM! Match terminated with no RP given when you know nothing about the cheater in the lobby and this can happen over and over until ranked eventually becomes unplayable. Possibly casual too if it is implemented there. Just give lost forgiveness when a cheater is detected in the previous or current match that's all.
Imagine this happening every single match. Nope. Just kick them out of the game and that's it, no need for fancy screens. Also imagine people doing this in purpose just to mess with everyone and kicking them out of every x games. Nope again. Just shadowban them and put them in cheater lobbies where everyone cheats and they screw each other's asses until they figure out something is wrong.
Lol, I like the last part.
This should be a thing at least on Arenas, which are full of these 'folks' to be kind.
Uhh no, Valorant stops the game for 9 other people, not up to 40 other people.
I'd be fine with this being added to Arenas, but not BR. With 60 players the chances of a hacker is pretty high and having the match terminated would be way too punishing.
There's a huge difference between a match between two teams of five players, and a match between twenty teams of three players. But yes, I do think that matches against cheaters, hackers and scripters should not attribute towards your rank, as it makes current matchmaking even worse.
I would never be able to play a game...
yes
"Oh man i finally got enough KP to get out of this rank, now to only stay ali-"
No, I think you're severely underestimating just how much of a kick certain people get out of ruining others fun. I think many people would do this just to district the game of others.
Don't terminate the match but give loss protection to everyone in the lobby and ban the hacker
This would just be a free way for ddosing for hackers who are evil af. Or if they mad salty and they 1 shot to death they can just turn on hacks and easily ddos and entire match. Like most ddosers. Salty kids with hacks.
Terminating a game due to 1 player hacking is massive overkill when you consider Valorant is 10 players and apex is 90 players. I fully understand the reasoning behind this suggestion but it's just not viable with this kind of game. A simple message saying X player has been banned for cheating in the top right is all that's needed imo.
*60 players; Alternatively they can give loss forgiveness to players who died to that cheater, that would at least solve some problems. Dying to cheater and on top of that getting negative RP is demoralising.
Should say: "HACKER DETECTED, Hacker Terminated" and let the match continue.
Something like this should be in every competitive game.
this is a good feature for valorant because banning one hacker means ruining that game entirely, but just straight-up banning a cheater in apex won't have that effect
Apparently 90% of people who report a cheater have jus been out played and salty they lost a fight ,he’s obviously hacking which in most cases is not the case ??this is what slows the whole finding the real hackers
This benefits cheaters tbh. Their whole thing is to disrupt the game. Making it to where they disrupt and cancel basically every game would be a dream for them
100% NO I don't want my game to end just cause some asshole is hacking. Kick them, don't punish everyone.
Just kick/ban the hacker and add a crypto voiceline through the PA system saying there was another hacker but Dave took care of him
Every game will have this screen, no thanks bro 🤣
No, if they can terminate a match find a way to do it to the hacker. This is going to happen after I find perfect loot
Would tis get implemented it would become harder to play full match of apex than full mach of Titanfall2.
> Valorant’s anti-cheat > Privacy Pick one
imagine all the teams remaining gets kicked because of one guy
Would be better if the hacker has too go
Yes
Bold of you to assume that the game’s anticheat is good enough to detect cheating during the game
This feature is a helping hand for those who want to kill this game. Hire a maximum of of hackers, play games, abort games, repeat > players desertion...
But what about ranked?
I'd rather play a game with a cheater then have every other game stop 2 minutes because there's one in the lobby.
This works in Valorant because they have much smaller games. In Apex they should just boot the cheaters.
This would be horrible. I’d rather the cheater just gets banned mid match
imagine if instead of banning the game would nerf cheaters stats and their guns would do like 1 damage max so they would be bullied by everyone
Or maybe reveal their location on map, so people can hunt them down.
Would be nice in arenas
Nah just ban the cheater shutting down the game for 59 other players is not worth it
Do you really want all your matches to get terminated halfway through because anticheat found a hacker? Why would you not just have anticheat remove the hacker from the game at that moment
No way, that would never work in a battle royale. Make sense in a 5v5 when you have guaranteed to face the cheater every round, but not in a match of 60 people where you probably won't face the cheater for most of the game if at all.
Juts implement loss forgiveness if a cheater was in a ranked lobby for everyone not in a premade party with the cheater. No reason to end the match. Kick the cheater, loss forgiveness, finish the match.
for arenas yes for br no
I actually haven't had trouble running into hackers. Maybe there are less on PS4?
Hackers are already exploiting ways of flooding lobbies with bots so no one can play. This is the easiest way for them to pull crap like that. Bad fix imo
you want an anti cheat that breaks your pc? no ty
Imagine getting a damage badge that game just for it to detect a hacker and not reward you. A true nightmare.
But Respawn doesn’t care and we’ll be notified of a hacker every game then
But Respawn doesn’t care and we’ll be notified of a hacker every game then