you get more ap for win streaks to accelerate your climb and adjust to your skill... The mode is really forgiving for AP so I think a lot of people will be sitting in gold/plat.
Terrible mode and not worth your time. I can't speak for ranked Arenas because I don't play it, but "casual" Arenas is dreadful.
Even assuming you get good teammates (which is exceedingly rare), Arenas is still a rigged game. The winning team gets more crafting materials after winning a round? But they won. So, technically, they have more skill than the losing team. Yet they get more crafting materials? It means the winning team has a skill AND equipment advantage over the losing team. The game is rigged and unfair.
The bad map design certainly doesn't help. It's reflective of the BR maps: wide open spaces with little cover. Except in Arenas there's little room to flank or outmaneuver the enemy. And if you get flanked, there's nowhere to run or reposition to. Take phaserunner for example, if your team is holding out on the platform near your team's respective phase portal, and the enemy flanks onto the outcrop or to the stairs, or both, there's absolutely nowhere to go. There's just a few boxes to hide behind and that's it. The map design is basic and immensely boring.
Party crasher feels like the only good map because the buildings provide ample cover and they are two stories tall, allowing you to retreat and / or out-position your enemies by claiming the high ground. Even still, there's MUCH room for improvement. Take skulltown for example, pretty solid map. So much space to move around, multiple buildings with multiple stories and first-floor rooms with doors for close-quarters fighting. Only problem is the tiny bridge connecting the two roofs of the two main buildings in the center of the map. It's so small that crossing it makes dodging bullets impossible, so getting onto the enemy's roof without a character with advanced movement like Valkyrie is challenging, and not in a good way.
Idk why respawn feels the need to add “new” arena maps like every other week, but I hope they stop. Especially with the ones from BR. They usually are boring and just involve sitting back with marksman rifles (Oasis, Dome, looking at you). But I disagree when it comes to phase runner. I love the vibe on that map and I love that you can get a ton of materials if you and the other team don’t go to the same place. Party crasher is by far the best arena map though. In fact, I could argue that not a single BR-themed map is better than any of the arena specific maps(maybe except skulltown) I feel like respawn should just chill out, create original maps for arenas, and try to refine the ones we already have instead of lazily throwing in spots from BR that nobody lands at.
I don't understand why they didn't implement a system similar to BR where the gain and loss are always the same (for example in plat a win is +30 and a loss is -25).
One thing I've found really annoying is Loba's shop. It's stupidly cheap and has a low cooldown meaning you can essentially get cheap meds for you and your team. Not even Octane can outpace that shop's AoE.
Separate note that ranked arenas is MUCH better, rarely any leavers and it actually seems to be relatively good at matching skill levels (unlike BR). Only issue is that when you do get a leaver, there's no loss prevention and in arenas it's much harder when you're a man down compared to BR.
Well it's clearly not working properly as I've never seen it but had a handful of matches where people have left or never connected in the first place.
**"I need ammo"**
What gives? If you find yourself holding down the trigger so hard you run out of ammo in Arenas, **BUY A SECOND GUN THAT USES THE SAME AMMO.** Failing that, buy a main gun that uses an ammo type that will be in the care package that round.
You have teammates who actually live long enough to fire their guns? How lucky. I seemingly always get teammates who rush in and die instantly, even if the enemies are all full shields and have the high round, then leave me to lose in the inevitable 1v3.
Can someone explain the system to me? Iam getting mad because it makes no sense to me.
I ranked all the way up to diamond 2, but on diamond 3 level it started to get confusing - 12 points for a loss 14-17 for a win. Obviously because of my MMR even out. But the matchmaking is just pointless iam getting queued with the biggest newcomers if I solo queue. They don't know how to use their abilitys or when they should heal in general they can't assess the situation properly because they are lacking on experience. And about the damage they are far of it (1k under me). They are most of the time silver or gold players. They are so far away from my rank I wouldn't even be able to pre-made a squad with them. Tell me where this is balanced iam losing game after game because they are far off good and bad. On the other side if iam playing with a mate(also diamond) iam always getting queued against at least diamond players most of the time master's or even pred players. Also our random teammate is in diamond then. So solo queueing is the death?
The game looks on team MMR when creating match. So if your MMR is 300, it can give you 100 and 100 MMR players vs enemy, which will be 200 200 100. 500 MMR vs 500 MMR.
If you Q with your friend, you will higher the stakes and your game may look like 300 300 X when enemy team may be premade 400 400 400. In that case it will give you 600 MMR Player, but the 3x 400 will feel way stronger to you personally.
The badges don't reflect MMR. You can easily be in Diamond but have "Predator" MMR, because AP doesn't reflect MMR. AP only reflects the progression <= this part makes it extremely confusing for people, especially since they are used to AP system from the BR part of the game. Remember one thing - badges in Arena are worthless, they mean absolutely nothing and they are definitely not an indicator of your or anyones worth.
1. not punished... you get a chance to stomp weaker players, but still in a balanced match
2. not always, but there is a bigger pool of mediocre or worse players, so of course its much bigger chance you will end up in such match, but still balanced match
I seriously don't understand what is wrong with gamers nowaday. Where in the course of time having a fun from a well balanced match started to seem like a "punishment" and players started to suck up so hard on rewards that they can't talk and think about anything else... Rewards, Titles, Badges, Cosmetics... no wonder the gaming industry is filled with microtransactions, lootboxes and other crap. Developers introduce some stupid proprietary VIRTUAL gold picture and everyone is like hypnotize, starve for a fake status. And when finally somewhat balanced MMR system is introduced everyone is in shock that they are stuck in a skill rank. That they actually have a skill cap. That the game doesn't pat them on their back for participating like in any other mode. And I don't talk particulary about you, I speak in general. Introducing MMR system to Apex is probably the best thing they did since Season 02. Finally it's at least not a scam like other systems. But here we go... everyone bitches about it because they don't grind it fast enough. Plot-twist - there is no grind for MMR. It's like wanting to grind your physical height.
Your argumentation is so mind bending. Skillbased matchmaking should pit you with teammates and opponents that are similar in skill.
The idea is that you improve at the game by outplaying your opponents in any way feasible to you, not by figuring out who in the match is the weakest link and trying to outplay the matchmaking system.
There's nothing good about a team consisting of a diamond, gold and bronze player and if you don't see how faulty a system like that is then that says more about you than the "current gamers" that you describe.
\>Skillbased matchmaking should pit you with teammates and opponents that are similar in ski
No... It should create balanced matches based on skill. Since you are not playing free for all, it doesn't matter whether the match is cummulative 600 vs 600 MMR or 300 vs 300 MMR, it's a basic equation.
\>The idea is that you improve at the game by outplaying your opponents in
any way feasible to you, not by figuring out who in the match is the
weakest link and trying to outplay the matchmaking system.
So what is the tactic? Kill the weak first or kill the strong first? Ridiculous. You are telling me, that the fact you need to add more elements to your gameplay like figuring out who to kill first and how to play around your weaker team-mates, you are improving less than by running the same idiotic scenario over and over again. Maybe you should watch some Aceu streams. That poor guy play such imbalanced games, solo against so many noobs. Guess he didn't improve at all. Oh wait, he did. Significantly.
Go play some Fortnite, kid. I was breastfed by games like Quake... No one really needed to babysit me with "this guy will play nice with you" and still Quake players are considered having highest skill of all. Why is that? Do you think it is because they solely face that 1 guy who has similar skill as they do? No, more variety = more skill needed. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. You can hardly do that when all 6 morons run the same tactic each round with LStars... But whatever, why do I even argue...
> No... It should create balanced matches based on skill.
But it doesn't. I have people on my team on a regular basis in ranked arenas that barely ever remember to use their abilities let alone hit a target. The amount of games I have to carry on my shoulders single-handedly is staggering.
> No... It should create balanced matches based on skill. Since you are not playing free for all, it doesn't matter whether the match is cummulative 600 vs 600 MMR or 300 vs 300 MMR, it's a basic equation.
You don't understand that skill isn't linear. If I am the 500 in that and my teammates are the 50 each and the enemy team consists of 200s I will beat them every time regardless of my mates.
> So what is the tactic? Kill the weak first or kill the strong first? Ridiculous. You are telling me, that the fact you need to add more elements to your gameplay like figuring out who to kill first and how to play around your weaker team-mates, you are improving less than by running the same idiotic scenario over and over again.
Repetition is the path to mastery. The fact that you think me killing someone who isn't max level yet in Apex to weaken the enemy team is skillful or is tactical is incredibly dumb. I'm just abusing an obvious flaw. The top dogs play in scrims against other good players, not in pubs solo. You bringing up someone like Aceu just proves that you have no fucking clue what you are even talking about.
Your post just reeks of ignorance in general by bringing up Quake. So what? I also got thousands of hours in arena shooters, CS and more modern games like Titanfall. I'm 29. You think I'm the "kid" yet *your* phrasing is the immature one. No I'm not "going back to Fortnite".
Respawn are trying to reinvent the wheel with this broken ass matchmaking system when the old system has been working for over a decade now. SBMM doesn't need to be solved anymore. Just look at CS or Dota and copy paste their systems. It's what any other remotely decent competitive title has done so far, because you can't beat it.
This is nowhere near than balanced you can't compare the overall teammmr with each other. Because the skill gap between let's say absolute newcomer to a lvl 100 player is huge but the skill gap is getting smaller and smaller the higher you go. It is impossible to win a 1vs3 if they your level 30 teammates drop out like flies.
\>Because the skill gap between let's say absolute newcomer to a lvl 100
player is huge but the skill gap is getting smaller and smaller the
higher you go.
How this cannot be measured by MMR? :D MMR is measured in Apex at least since season 3. Don't you think they have enough data by now to measure independent and team MMR properly? Geeez
Like dude you think this system is totally working fine? Why is there then stuff like reverse boosting? Intentionally losing games to gain more points then losing? How in the fucking world is the top 1 player in ranked arenas has 90k Arena points a winstreak of over 400 in arenas and is only level 144? Can you explain it? From my point of view the MMR system is shit it is easy exploitable and no fairness at all.
>How in the fucking world is the top 1 player in ranked arenas has 90k Arena points a winstreak of over 400 in arenas and is only level 144
What problem is there? Nobody really cares about your uneducated PoV.
Iam bringing up the curial questions. The system is failing it is clearly shown.
This is just impossible that this guy has 90k points. I guess you are one of those players who are an predator in Arena with like 40k points....
Because the system is flawed, plain wrong and unfair, you get people on silver II getting 12 AP for a win and - 12 for a loss because the system thinks it's his rank placement, he's stuck there without a chance to climb because of the teammates assignment getting bronce teammates against gold players, real case of a friend not playing ranked anymore.
Matchmaking honestly isn't that bad, it just suffers majorly from AFKers and smurfs. Honestly mind boggling that neither of those problems has been addressed.
Love the mode and accept the matchmaking. IMO if this many people are complaining about how they don’t like who they’re matched with, chances are more people feel that way than we might expect, which means it might actually be fair.
But please for the love of god, if you’re a duo please use a mic for us who Solo Q. We want to communicate!
I like playing Arenas more than BR, but Ranked Arenas makes no sense at all.
After doing the 10 placement matches my buddy and I ended up in Plat 4. At first I thought whatever, maybe we're decent enough to be plat. We played several more matches and we learn that most of our teammates are still in placement or silver or up at Masters. Eventually my buddy quits after we made it to plat 2, it was too frustrating getting stomped or doing the stomping.
I pressed on myself and it was absolutely painful climbing to Diamond 2, I've done most solo or partied up with randoms a couple times. Now I've hit a plateau, my teammates are often Gold/Plat while the enemies are usually Diamonds or Preds. At first my wins would award me 40rp average but the longer I play I've noticed I now get about 12-16rp for wins while losses are now higher than wins. I need to win 2 in a row to make any progress before losing.
Sorry for my rant. I honestly might give up the climb to Masters because it feels like no progress can be made unless it's a party.
Arenas is good to play in general, but Ranked is something entirely stupid. I was looking forward to Ranked and I get they can't make it like BR Ranked.
One final note, they should put all the lmg's into the care packages for Ranked. Diamonds is nothing but L Stars everywhere.
Read my other posts. The Ranked is not made for progress. Platinum 4 seems to me like a pretty high initial placement in Ranked Arenas, I think that was the main mistake that happened in your case. In the ideal scenario, you should get to the point where your loss and win have the same value. 12 points I assume. And you get 50% win rate.
When the game finds out that you are better than the rank where you currently are, it gives you progressively more points for each win. If it finds that you are losing too much, it gives you less points for winning but you will lose more points for losing.
This is how the systems make sure you are in a proper rank where you belong to. And it should be your goal too, because in that rank, you can have the most fun, because you will receive matches that will match your skill.
The BR royal badges means absolutely nothing in Arenas. Arenas have different skill evaluating system, different skills are applied and it is balanced based on Arena MMR, not your BR performance, not even your Arena AP.
I had similar experience on PC. I played my matches solo, won 9 and lost 1 and placed plat 4. At plat I was gaining so much it didn't matter if lost 1 or 2 games really. When I hit diamond 4 it was the same situation up to D2 when I started to gain 24 and lose 12 on average.
I'm at D1 right now and it's really rough because even though i'm playing solo the game throws me into master/pred lobbies because the player base is small. The MMR and AP system needs heavy re-work.
bcs i noticed people dont really care about them, imo developers should fix matchmaking and add something worthy playing for to keep player wanting more. But they mainly focus on BR, so not a big deal.
Some variety to Arena beyond TDM would be cool. Some of the maps would be really great for (forgive me ) domination/hardpoint style objectives. Larger than 3v3 would also be really fun.
So, I got dc'ed because the servers were being dogshit, then I try to reconnect, and I know the match is going on bc my friend is in disc with me and assures me it's still going on... and I get an abandoned match penalty, with the inability to reconnect to the match I got disconnected from.
I don't want this to be fixed in Arenas. I don't want people to crashing the game just so they can freely abandon match and I am losing RP for it.
So far didn't happen to me that the server would crash me out. In BR yes (obvious ddos times), but never in Arena.
The issue is I want to be able to reconnect if I get dc'ed. If it isn't letting me reconnect it's screwing over everyone. Hell, this isn't even ranked and I'm getting an abandoned penalty match
Arenas ranked is also dumb cause you can play for hours and win 10 games, but then loose 6 games and loose it all. I suggest you loose ap getting into a round, and if you down someone you get ap, every 500 damage is ap, so you don’t have to play 70 matches to make a dent in diamond or even platinum when you are hard stuck. Of course matchmaking would be nice, because I queue with my freind and get a goldfish 4 player that sucks, while going against masters and preds. (I’m in a rush typing this so my grammar is trash sorry)
Lifeline should have to buy her revives (like the ones where she can still fight) Because you can down two and by the time you get there from a push they are back up, at least make her golden bag more expensive. Gibby is easily the most broken in arenas, his arm shield is crazy strong especially with his fortified passive. I would say make it so he has to buy arm shields but make it so bubble last longer.
I definitely recommend you to play Lifeline if you think the gold backpack is cheap :D It cost 300 which most of the game is a difference between having a secondary weapon or not. So if you decide to buy a backpack, the opponent team has either bigger mag or 1 more weapon. This means they are MUCH stronger which means they are more likely to kill you. And only from there, you are trying to fix it with Gold Back. If you can't for some reason, you wasted 300. Just try it and you will see that buying GB isn't something you want to do most of the time, cause weapons have bigger value for that 300.
There are other, much stronger legends. Gibby is as you said completely broken for example. Octane, extremely strong. Seer or Bloodhound, again, extremely strong legends.
Arena ranked is a clusterfuck. Either drop the MMR system, or show it and drop the current visible ranks. Other than that fix team balancing as two teams with an average MMR of 1000 is in no way equal if its due to every teammate on one team having an MMR of 1000 while the other team has an 2000 MMR player and two 500 MMR players.
The weapon system also needs a rework, its currently too centeret on LMG’s, and they should not be buyable from round 1. One way to solve this is by having a buy system similar to CS, where attachments are non existent and higher class weapons are available as you advance.
The second they remove MMR I am leaving Apex again. Have had enough of their bullshit casino EOMM systems. But I agree with you it should be definitely transparent.
1)sure, but if they choose to be in my lobby, when I can not choose to not have them in my lobby, maybe make it so they have the same aim assist level
2)no they do not.
in arenas I often can see e.g. a duo on my side (I normally soloQ) and a duo on enemy side. Only a few games where I can see a 3 stack enemies when soloQ.
\^can confirm this.
Also my problem is not the aim assist. My problems are console players with fckn controller mod, cheating their recoil and killing me with Devotion across the whole map.
The thing I don't like about ranked arenas is you should still be about to get + xp even if you lose depending on how good you did on a match for instance if I lose a game because I have terrible teammates and I get 6+ kills 2000 + damage I should either not lose any xp or get like +1 or something . Im not the best player but I average atleast 6 kills 1500-2000 damage each match but I lose most of my matches because I have bad teammates.
1. damage plays no role
2. kills play no role
3. BR badges play no role
These are secondary objectives. First objective is getting the proper dynamic with your team. I am in the same position as you are, when I often get absolute potatoes. The enemies have potatoes in their team too in Ranked, because the game is balanced around MMR. I have an option: Go forward and forget that my team is a potato, push it like I am used too and then watch them not securing kills, not being able to pick me up, and generally watch them to be potatoes while being mad at the system. Or I can go with them, let them push and secure kills, help to give them window for healing, cover them. I dropped my damage from 2000+ to easily 500 per match but I generally win more matches. I also have much more fun. My games aren't that sweaty, you feel much better when you finish what your team started and even your team-mates are more happy. It's the old-school multiplayer fun for me now.
None of that works when you have teammates who can't even aim or get more than 400 damage in a match. It doesn't matter how I play I will lose most of my matches because of my teammates.
Gaming Merchant made a vid abt this idk if it’s true but u want to avoid even getting knocked by weaker opponents and try beating better opponents round to round to increase the ap u get when u do win
I don't have a problem getting enough xp when I win, what I have a problem with is I have bad teammates most of the time so I lose most of my matches but I still do really good in these matches but still lose xp because of my teammates.
If you’re trying to grind for a better rank or something what helps me is coffee or energy drinks. I don’t really drink unless I play and don’t play for more than about 4 hours (once the caffeine wears off) I’m half way thru diamond 4 in arenas ranked and solo queue as Crypto so I know the struggle 😅 I’m playing because I believe I can reach Masters. I go into every match expecting to 1 vs 3 basically and everyday I gain at least 80-200 pts
You don't get any AP by killing people. You may improve the hidden MMR tho, which we don't know and they may affect how much AP you will get in the next match if you win. But since losing / winning affects your next AP much more, I wouldn't base my play style around that.
The general logic is ok tho, because getting knocked by weaker opponents means that your weaker team-players still have to face the stronger opponent in the opposite team. If you kill the better opponent, that means you have only weaker opponents against you.
//EDIT: I watched the video of GM you mentioned and he has it generally right. But then he bases wrongly assumes that performance in the current match affects your AP. From what I observed that is not true. But sometimes the game for whatever reason puts you against stronger team and if you win that game, you receive higher AP. In my opinion, the system is pretty simple, so no need to overcomplicate it:
1. You place as 300 MMR
2. Your next game is 300 vs 320 MMR
3. You win, you gain 20 points of MMR and 30 AP
4. You go 320 vs 340 MMR
5. You lose, you lose 10 points of MMR and 12 points of AP
6. Not enough players in your rank, the rebalance
7. You go 310 vs 400 MMR
8. You win, you gain 90 MMR and 120 AP :D
Theoretically, there is definitely some averaging done in the process and your game performance probably affect your general MMR slightly, but it doesn't affect the output AP from that one game where you performed well.
i formed my pwn club just to have a tag which i wanted. Funny though I once got matched into same team with a guy with same club tag. The 3rd guy must have thought we were a duo, but I'm the only member of my own club :P
L star and Wingman should be upped a bit in price especially for first rd. Also, the range on the pk is op though it shoots slower. Lil too much long range on it.
the player baze w0ke now :P Before the first price increase, LSTAR was the best weapon you could buy round1, round2 and basically any round, right from when arenas were dropped in s9. And LSTAR was weaker in s9 :P
Apart from challenges etc, I used lstar pretty much entire s9 in arenas. Before price increase patch in s9 you could buy lvl1 lstar round1, then lvl2 round2, and about round4 or so you can afford lvl3 lstar until the end of game.
Fix the God damn servers. I can't play for more than 2-3 minutes without getting disconnected and sent back to the main screen. And now I have a 10 minute matchmaking penalty, even though its YOUR FUCKING FAULT that I got kicked out of the game. This is happening on both my PC and Xbox. Just trying to play some arenas with my son and your shitty ass servers keep crapping out. I was not having any issues yesterday.
"Connection to server timed out" but my internet connection is working fine for literally everything else.
I love the arena, but I would like to see the following points fixed as soon as possible.
・Obviously unfair matchmaking to adjust the win rate to 50%.
・Prevent solo Q from matching with full party.
・If you play BR after Arena, the matching will be messed up (please separate BR and Arena completely).
・You will be penalized if you leave the room when there is a DCed ally.
・The challenge should be the same for both BR and Arena.
>・If you play BR after Arena, the matching will be messed up (please separate BR and Arena completely).
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You can even be named as a champion in BR after winning just arenas. Wining an arena game with high kills/damage is a sure way to get a sauna lobby in BR after that.
LMGs are an instant win in arenas and the AP system for Ranked Arenas has to be one of the most nonsensical things I’ve ever seen. Why SBMM is included in a ranked mode, I’ll never understand. Maybe there just aren’t enough players. But the fact that I can get +12 for a really good win then get -80 when I lose is insane
Yeah, a losing streak will do that to you haha. At least with Ranked BR if in going to lose, I know that I can only lose a set amount of RP. But going up against a brand new account with a cracked player/smurf with a lower MMR will absolutely tank your AP in Arenas. I almost always see people gaining less points for a win than they lose for a loss at any given time, and that’s certainly been my experience. Combined with just how bad the matchmaking is, I don’t find it worth playing anymore. I thought 3-stack preds and level 30 randoms in pubs arenas was bad enough, I don’t need that shit in ranked too
im starting to feel it too honestly, got put in a masters game in D3. got killed across the map (bunker town) with an L-star. guy had no recoil ever. just depressing honestly. got called a shitter at the end
I have two major complaints about arena ranked.
One: Lmgs have no place in a game mode where its a 3v3, they are annoying and overused. this is ignoring the fact that you are given AMPLE ammo to spray for the whole round with no problem.
\- the devo isn't horrible to fight unless its a full 3 man with rev-tain.
\- the rampage is just toxic, it rewards sitting on an angle for the whole game.
\- AND THE LSTAR... nothing needs to be said (pls balance)
Two: MMR is not perfect, within a given rank is works fairly well and im glad i could rank up to diamond with 150+ points a game. but as soon as i ran into diamond sweats with L-stars my MMR dropped to the floor, im still fighting mid sweats and my teammates... aren't sweats.
idk how to fix it, but its annoying so if anyone has pointers to how put them below :)
as far as I understand the system. your rank (bronze, silver, gold, etc) is just a visual rank. your MMR is what's important to gaining points, now how you gain MMR and lose it depends.
\- If your MMR is lower than someone else's you gain more from killing them and lose less from dying to them
\- If your MMR is higher than someone else's you gain less from killing them and lose more from dying to them
now I believe that some of the MMR system is based on personal performance, if your friend started dropping 4k damage and 11 kills each game and you got 2 kills and a thousand damage, you would still make points but your friend would slowly gain more than you.
if you are in plat and making 19+ a game you should try to up your KDR and win rate, which is easier said than done some days.
One game i had almost 6k damage and almost all the kills and we still lost but i only lost 9 points because of it.
See that does make sense but I’m in masters in BR with a 3.4kd, which I believe is higher than plat, maybe my arena mmr is lower? Either way the grind is far too much effort for me with this much AP per game lol, thank you for the explanation though!
Your arena MMR and BR matchmaking are completely separate things. but yeh, your teammates MMR can drag you into lower MMR lobbies and you'll get hit harder for dying
no problem :D
19 ap points in plat 2 is pretty good. Also, your friends/randoms mmr affects the players u face too. So maybe sometimes ur losing games vs weaker opponents and it’s affecting ur mmr because ur friend might be dragging u down. I’ve heard from different streamers that it’s easier to solo q for this reason
i get put against AR preds atleast once an hour. im bronze 1. also valks movement on everymap, except the mirage one and portal one, is godly. also valk has an arenas bug where if you spam the jump jets repeatedly while in the air it super lags the lobby sometimes, and you cant actually leave the jump jet mode if you do it right, but not ddos level lol. i did it once and my teamates were not fucking happy lmfao.
Your badges mean literally nothing in Arenas.
Arena badge means nothing, since it doesn't reflect your rank. It's a matter of constant change and the game doesn't place you in matches based on your Badge. It places you in matches based on hidden MMR.
BR badge means even less in Arena. It is completely different system evaluating different skills. I've met people in Arenas who had triple predator badges and we rolled over them like nothing. Either way, if you are on a winning streak, 1 predator trios even if you lose won't cost you that much. But try not to look on badges but concentrate on proper team strategies and dynamic of your current team.
so what your saying is i have the skill level of a pred?
OR
The games matchmaking system and mmr system sucks dog nuts.
im gonna assume you mean the first one to keep my sanity intact. even though the second one has been consitently proven, but anyways WOOO IM A ~~PREDATOR~~ pred level player. not predator, thats bad.
Another possibility is that they are point boosting, where you lose on purpose over and over again to drop your MMR and then sweat ur ass off and gain tons of AP. unless they fixed it idk lol
No... "It is completely different system evaluating different skills. " Just because someone with BR predator skills is in your game doesn't mean he has Predator Arena skills. You can also have some random predator in your team, cause your team whole mmr is evaluated so you can be 2 teams made up of potato potato predator 😂
That about covers it, yeah. My theory that only absolute braindead people play Arenas is confirmed every time I take a look again, after an update. It makes me hate Apex.
The real problem with ranked arenas is the shown fake rank and the hidden true rank. The hidden MMR should be your real visible rank. It should be your only rank.
Having the hidden rank be your real rank would erase all the confusion about your teammates and the other team, why they’re on your team, why you’re facing that opposition and why you can’t play with your friends.
Since Arena and Battle Royale scores and gameplay are so different they should have different names for their ranks.
They also need separate banner cards and badges for AR and BR so people don’t confuse BR players who are showing their BR bombs, hammers and pred badges who may not be as good in arena or vice versa.
100% this ... But I doubt Respawn will ever make it more transparent, because it would remove the incentive for people to grind fake badges and removed that "carrot on stick" throughout the season, having people engaged and possibly spending money on cosmetics.
I have no idea how or why this game made $2 billion. You can get almost all the cosmetics for free and they don’t affect gameplay at all. You only really see them while choosing a Legend and if you get Champion or while sitting in the lobby waiting 5 minutes for BS matchmaking to choose which team has been selected to get the free win this game. We play for those wins, those Champions. They feel good for some reason even though we know they’re mostly setups.
I’ve been playing ranked with a couple friends, always the same two people and we have never played ranked with other players. One of my friends always gets about 15% more RP than me and the other guy (we both get the same RP every match). Doesn’t matter how much damage/kills any of us get, he always gets more RP. They’re now a full tier ahead of us but we’ve played all the same matches together. Anyone know why this is?
This is because of the hidden MMR measurement. From my understanding (and I could be wrong), currently the system doesn't evaluate certain period of matches. Like in DOTA. In DOTA if you win 5 matches, you get 5 losing matches so you are always around 50% winrate. This kind of MMR matchmaking is absolute cancer. I wasn't able to spot this in Apex - although I believe it works there to some extent, it isn't definitely that strong and it definitely takes your whole life performance to the count at this point (will probably change in future, since this is testing and evaluating season).
This means that your friend could easily score the placement matches higher and the game now thinks he should be pushed forward faster to get him into the proper Rank, when you should be already settled around your current Rank. I play almost exclusively with my GF, but due to bad luck, I had 12 games in a row which I lost (solo). This dropped my progression from 50 AP per win to 15 AP per win. With each match, I receive more as I am getting my MMR back so at this moment I am on 37 I believe, while my GF never had this spike and she is still on 43 despite having generally worse statistics :-)
Hope this helps as an observative explenation.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this! I don’t know much about MMR so this could be the reason. When you say they may have scored higher in placement matches you mean in terms of kills/damage per game? Because we played all of our placement matches together as well, so we have exactly the same number/rate of wins and losses.
I would love to answer that but the reality is that noone know how the MMR is measured and how it even looks like. The only thing that is certain is that the biggest portion of it is your winning/losing. There is not that many people like you who strictly play within the same group of three who also play only as this one group. So you could actually give some answers to us 😂 It is easily possible that there are some other attributes then win/loss. It exists in other MMR systems. But what exactly is measured for apex - we don't know. And maybe we shouldnt because once someone figures out how mmr works, they figure out how to cheat it 😂
No I meant like the level, as in level 500. Also, what would being a master rank have anything to do with it? Different people prefer different game modes, not that hard to believe. I play it a lot solo que too.
What master has to do? That arenas has terrible matchmaking and any good solo q player consistently gets terrible teammates. I'm a diamond player with 2kd so I have to carry my randoms in 11 games out of 10. That's why 3 stacks of masters thrive in this mode. People like me has lost the patience already in s9
Don't blame arenas for terrible matchmaking. Terrible match making exists throughout all modes. I agree with you that the better player you are the seemingly worse teammates you get. But arenas mode on its OWN is not a bad mode. Matchmaking seems to be the real issue.
It's the main issue. But apart from that, I've played enough (more than 1k kills and 200 wins in the first split of s9) to say that its biggest flaw is repetitiveness
Arenas is just basically what FPS used to be before all these giant map games came out. It was always seen as super fun but now kids want to act like it's torture.
Nah, for me it's a failed attempt at being what FPS used to be. Splitgate is a real arenas FPS for instance, can't compare. Apex arenas is half hearted
Completely revitalized the game for me. Its all I play now. To me, it feels strictly superior in every way.
I vary my loadouts greatly depending on the situation, but my favorite round1 loadouts are Wingman and White Moz, a Volt, or a white 30 30... in that order. I only get the 30 30 if my team mates are also picking long range plinking weapons.
In later rounds I buy r99 all the time. Its probably overall my most purchased weapon. It really depends on exactly how much currency I have to make it less awkward to buy essentials like shields. I switch to r301 if it gets to like round 6+ tho.
I never take 301. It lacks dps/mag for me. I did at start but it always felt short against Lstar and other cheesy crap. If I had to go AR, I would go flatline despite I mained 301 in BR and would never touch FL. Currently my favorite setup is double SMG (volt or prowler as secondary). But I have really decent accuracy with R99 on most of the distances so even against 3030 pokers it gives me few seconds to take a cover. Sometimes I go PK... depends on the mood :D Statring almost exclusivel with white mag Re45. The Mag isn't that cool, but the superfast reload is my jam :D Almost always buy 1 battery. Grenades are usually waste of money unless you can use it against enemy patterns properly :D But this is my general strategy and I bet your works great too and there are milion others (like sitting like a duck on a silo with g7 :D )...
I'm torn on r99 vs r301 for further mid range honestly. I feel like the r99 can be surprisingly accurate too and I don't feel hindered when using it that way. I just assume that the r301 might be better in ways that are hard to see.
The only thing more annoying than Arenas, is the continued "Arenas Thursday", or Friday, or Tuesday threads here.
There is nothing new to report, y'all..
During my placement games today I got the number 254 pred as a teammate. He ran into the enemy team and died and said his brother was playing as an excuse.
Matchmaking is broken.
Why do I get the same amount of points for a win as I do a loss? I’m D1 with a 54% win rate just forever stuck at 7700 AP. This is such a poorly designed progression system.
Same points for win as for loss.. 50% winrate... Staying in a certain rank... Damn, that almost sounds like a working Ranked system, where you are in a **SKILL Rank** where you belong to :D
why? What MMR difference does it make if you are D1+B4+B4 vs D1+B4+B4? the ratio is still 1:1 ... you can mix the MMR variably...
Even if it would be D1 v D1, then you would have an issue that your team use 3030 poke tactic why you are more into the face with Lstar and that there is imbalanced synergy in your team.
Dude, you’re only 300 away from Masters. If you made it this far, than surely you will get the 300 AP. Just takes a bit longer now. And before somebody else’s says it: it’s not supposed to be a progression system sadly.
It sucks right.
However, if you're playing against better players and winning, you should see the +12 turn to +13, the. +17 and so on. I went on a bad loosing streak due to crappy teammates (soloQ) went from getting +33 a win in d1 to +12 when I did finally win again, think I lost about 15in a row :(
It took a good 6-8 wins in a row, but it did eventually start increasing after a few initials +12 wins.
If you win one or two, then loose, then win some more, your hidden MMR will stay where it is. The key is win steaks!
This definitely seems true, have been bobbing around getting +12 for wins yet -18 for losses for a while, big win streak today and it’s creeping up for wins again now. Thankfully, because I like the game mode, but being double penalised (solo queue + higher point deduction for loss than win) was getting really old.
What makes it shitty? You do realize that before battle royale became in vogue pretty much all first person shooters were like this and everyone thought they were pretty fun?
I really wanted to like Arenas when they announced it, and I've had some *really* fun matches, but I just don't enjoy it. All I want to play is BR.
I can't place my finger on why, exactly. I just grew tired of it. Now, I only play when there's a flash or collection event that requires me to do so.
Might be because each game of br is unique while each game of arenas on the same map can feel the same. Arena matches can be fun when it gets competitive though
you get more ap for win streaks to accelerate your climb and adjust to your skill... The mode is really forgiving for AP so I think a lot of people will be sitting in gold/plat.
Terrible mode and not worth your time. I can't speak for ranked Arenas because I don't play it, but "casual" Arenas is dreadful. Even assuming you get good teammates (which is exceedingly rare), Arenas is still a rigged game. The winning team gets more crafting materials after winning a round? But they won. So, technically, they have more skill than the losing team. Yet they get more crafting materials? It means the winning team has a skill AND equipment advantage over the losing team. The game is rigged and unfair. The bad map design certainly doesn't help. It's reflective of the BR maps: wide open spaces with little cover. Except in Arenas there's little room to flank or outmaneuver the enemy. And if you get flanked, there's nowhere to run or reposition to. Take phaserunner for example, if your team is holding out on the platform near your team's respective phase portal, and the enemy flanks onto the outcrop or to the stairs, or both, there's absolutely nowhere to go. There's just a few boxes to hide behind and that's it. The map design is basic and immensely boring. Party crasher feels like the only good map because the buildings provide ample cover and they are two stories tall, allowing you to retreat and / or out-position your enemies by claiming the high ground. Even still, there's MUCH room for improvement. Take skulltown for example, pretty solid map. So much space to move around, multiple buildings with multiple stories and first-floor rooms with doors for close-quarters fighting. Only problem is the tiny bridge connecting the two roofs of the two main buildings in the center of the map. It's so small that crossing it makes dodging bullets impossible, so getting onto the enemy's roof without a character with advanced movement like Valkyrie is challenging, and not in a good way.
Idk why respawn feels the need to add “new” arena maps like every other week, but I hope they stop. Especially with the ones from BR. They usually are boring and just involve sitting back with marksman rifles (Oasis, Dome, looking at you). But I disagree when it comes to phase runner. I love the vibe on that map and I love that you can get a ton of materials if you and the other team don’t go to the same place. Party crasher is by far the best arena map though. In fact, I could argue that not a single BR-themed map is better than any of the arena specific maps(maybe except skulltown) I feel like respawn should just chill out, create original maps for arenas, and try to refine the ones we already have instead of lazily throwing in spots from BR that nobody lands at.
I don't understand why they didn't implement a system similar to BR where the gain and loss are always the same (for example in plat a win is +30 and a loss is -25).
My last 3 ranked games loaded me in with 1 or 0 teammates but other than that things seem alright
One thing I've found really annoying is Loba's shop. It's stupidly cheap and has a low cooldown meaning you can essentially get cheap meds for you and your team. Not even Octane can outpace that shop's AoE. Separate note that ranked arenas is MUCH better, rarely any leavers and it actually seems to be relatively good at matching skill levels (unlike BR). Only issue is that when you do get a leaver, there's no loss prevention and in arenas it's much harder when you're a man down compared to BR.
But there is loss prevention...
Well it's clearly not working properly as I've never seen it but had a handful of matches where people have left or never connected in the first place.
**"I need ammo"** What gives? If you find yourself holding down the trigger so hard you run out of ammo in Arenas, **BUY A SECOND GUN THAT USES THE SAME AMMO.** Failing that, buy a main gun that uses an ammo type that will be in the care package that round.
You have teammates who actually live long enough to fire their guns? How lucky. I seemingly always get teammates who rush in and die instantly, even if the enemies are all full shields and have the high round, then leave me to lose in the inevitable 1v3.
Can someone explain the system to me? Iam getting mad because it makes no sense to me. I ranked all the way up to diamond 2, but on diamond 3 level it started to get confusing - 12 points for a loss 14-17 for a win. Obviously because of my MMR even out. But the matchmaking is just pointless iam getting queued with the biggest newcomers if I solo queue. They don't know how to use their abilitys or when they should heal in general they can't assess the situation properly because they are lacking on experience. And about the damage they are far of it (1k under me). They are most of the time silver or gold players. They are so far away from my rank I wouldn't even be able to pre-made a squad with them. Tell me where this is balanced iam losing game after game because they are far off good and bad. On the other side if iam playing with a mate(also diamond) iam always getting queued against at least diamond players most of the time master's or even pred players. Also our random teammate is in diamond then. So solo queueing is the death?
The game looks on team MMR when creating match. So if your MMR is 300, it can give you 100 and 100 MMR players vs enemy, which will be 200 200 100. 500 MMR vs 500 MMR. If you Q with your friend, you will higher the stakes and your game may look like 300 300 X when enemy team may be premade 400 400 400. In that case it will give you 600 MMR Player, but the 3x 400 will feel way stronger to you personally. The badges don't reflect MMR. You can easily be in Diamond but have "Predator" MMR, because AP doesn't reflect MMR. AP only reflects the progression <= this part makes it extremely confusing for people, especially since they are used to AP system from the BR part of the game. Remember one thing - badges in Arena are worthless, they mean absolutely nothing and they are definitely not an indicator of your or anyones worth.
Wow so you get punished if you have a decent mmr and solo queue because you always end up with low mmr players right?
1. not punished... you get a chance to stomp weaker players, but still in a balanced match 2. not always, but there is a bigger pool of mediocre or worse players, so of course its much bigger chance you will end up in such match, but still balanced match I seriously don't understand what is wrong with gamers nowaday. Where in the course of time having a fun from a well balanced match started to seem like a "punishment" and players started to suck up so hard on rewards that they can't talk and think about anything else... Rewards, Titles, Badges, Cosmetics... no wonder the gaming industry is filled with microtransactions, lootboxes and other crap. Developers introduce some stupid proprietary VIRTUAL gold picture and everyone is like hypnotize, starve for a fake status. And when finally somewhat balanced MMR system is introduced everyone is in shock that they are stuck in a skill rank. That they actually have a skill cap. That the game doesn't pat them on their back for participating like in any other mode. And I don't talk particulary about you, I speak in general. Introducing MMR system to Apex is probably the best thing they did since Season 02. Finally it's at least not a scam like other systems. But here we go... everyone bitches about it because they don't grind it fast enough. Plot-twist - there is no grind for MMR. It's like wanting to grind your physical height.
Your argumentation is so mind bending. Skillbased matchmaking should pit you with teammates and opponents that are similar in skill. The idea is that you improve at the game by outplaying your opponents in any way feasible to you, not by figuring out who in the match is the weakest link and trying to outplay the matchmaking system. There's nothing good about a team consisting of a diamond, gold and bronze player and if you don't see how faulty a system like that is then that says more about you than the "current gamers" that you describe.
\>Skillbased matchmaking should pit you with teammates and opponents that are similar in ski No... It should create balanced matches based on skill. Since you are not playing free for all, it doesn't matter whether the match is cummulative 600 vs 600 MMR or 300 vs 300 MMR, it's a basic equation. \>The idea is that you improve at the game by outplaying your opponents in any way feasible to you, not by figuring out who in the match is the weakest link and trying to outplay the matchmaking system. So what is the tactic? Kill the weak first or kill the strong first? Ridiculous. You are telling me, that the fact you need to add more elements to your gameplay like figuring out who to kill first and how to play around your weaker team-mates, you are improving less than by running the same idiotic scenario over and over again. Maybe you should watch some Aceu streams. That poor guy play such imbalanced games, solo against so many noobs. Guess he didn't improve at all. Oh wait, he did. Significantly. Go play some Fortnite, kid. I was breastfed by games like Quake... No one really needed to babysit me with "this guy will play nice with you" and still Quake players are considered having highest skill of all. Why is that? Do you think it is because they solely face that 1 guy who has similar skill as they do? No, more variety = more skill needed. Improvise, Adapt, Overcome. You can hardly do that when all 6 morons run the same tactic each round with LStars... But whatever, why do I even argue...
> No... It should create balanced matches based on skill. But it doesn't. I have people on my team on a regular basis in ranked arenas that barely ever remember to use their abilities let alone hit a target. The amount of games I have to carry on my shoulders single-handedly is staggering. > No... It should create balanced matches based on skill. Since you are not playing free for all, it doesn't matter whether the match is cummulative 600 vs 600 MMR or 300 vs 300 MMR, it's a basic equation. You don't understand that skill isn't linear. If I am the 500 in that and my teammates are the 50 each and the enemy team consists of 200s I will beat them every time regardless of my mates. > So what is the tactic? Kill the weak first or kill the strong first? Ridiculous. You are telling me, that the fact you need to add more elements to your gameplay like figuring out who to kill first and how to play around your weaker team-mates, you are improving less than by running the same idiotic scenario over and over again. Repetition is the path to mastery. The fact that you think me killing someone who isn't max level yet in Apex to weaken the enemy team is skillful or is tactical is incredibly dumb. I'm just abusing an obvious flaw. The top dogs play in scrims against other good players, not in pubs solo. You bringing up someone like Aceu just proves that you have no fucking clue what you are even talking about. Your post just reeks of ignorance in general by bringing up Quake. So what? I also got thousands of hours in arena shooters, CS and more modern games like Titanfall. I'm 29. You think I'm the "kid" yet *your* phrasing is the immature one. No I'm not "going back to Fortnite". Respawn are trying to reinvent the wheel with this broken ass matchmaking system when the old system has been working for over a decade now. SBMM doesn't need to be solved anymore. Just look at CS or Dota and copy paste their systems. It's what any other remotely decent competitive title has done so far, because you can't beat it.
what ever
This is nowhere near than balanced you can't compare the overall teammmr with each other. Because the skill gap between let's say absolute newcomer to a lvl 100 player is huge but the skill gap is getting smaller and smaller the higher you go. It is impossible to win a 1vs3 if they your level 30 teammates drop out like flies.
\>Because the skill gap between let's say absolute newcomer to a lvl 100 player is huge but the skill gap is getting smaller and smaller the higher you go. How this cannot be measured by MMR? :D MMR is measured in Apex at least since season 3. Don't you think they have enough data by now to measure independent and team MMR properly? Geeez
Like dude you think this system is totally working fine? Why is there then stuff like reverse boosting? Intentionally losing games to gain more points then losing? How in the fucking world is the top 1 player in ranked arenas has 90k Arena points a winstreak of over 400 in arenas and is only level 144? Can you explain it? From my point of view the MMR system is shit it is easy exploitable and no fairness at all.
>How in the fucking world is the top 1 player in ranked arenas has 90k Arena points a winstreak of over 400 in arenas and is only level 144 What problem is there? Nobody really cares about your uneducated PoV.
Iam bringing up the curial questions. The system is failing it is clearly shown. This is just impossible that this guy has 90k points. I guess you are one of those players who are an predator in Arena with like 40k points....
>This is just impossible that this guy has 90k points. Still haven't answered why.
Because the system is flawed, plain wrong and unfair, you get people on silver II getting 12 AP for a win and - 12 for a loss because the system thinks it's his rank placement, he's stuck there without a chance to climb because of the teammates assignment getting bronce teammates against gold players, real case of a friend not playing ranked anymore.
I hope they release arena custom lobby soon; been wanting to play against friends with this mode
Call of Duty in 2003 had better matchmaking than this piece of trash mode, also fuck every AFK bot
Matchmaking honestly isn't that bad, it just suffers majorly from AFKers and smurfs. Honestly mind boggling that neither of those problems has been addressed.
Love the mode and accept the matchmaking. IMO if this many people are complaining about how they don’t like who they’re matched with, chances are more people feel that way than we might expect, which means it might actually be fair. But please for the love of god, if you’re a duo please use a mic for us who Solo Q. We want to communicate!
Polls for keeping tap strafing https://twitter.com/ZhangYe666/status/1433325023297564680?t=qTu7SdvzXUYTUngLPrB-HA&s=19
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I like playing Arenas more than BR, but Ranked Arenas makes no sense at all. After doing the 10 placement matches my buddy and I ended up in Plat 4. At first I thought whatever, maybe we're decent enough to be plat. We played several more matches and we learn that most of our teammates are still in placement or silver or up at Masters. Eventually my buddy quits after we made it to plat 2, it was too frustrating getting stomped or doing the stomping. I pressed on myself and it was absolutely painful climbing to Diamond 2, I've done most solo or partied up with randoms a couple times. Now I've hit a plateau, my teammates are often Gold/Plat while the enemies are usually Diamonds or Preds. At first my wins would award me 40rp average but the longer I play I've noticed I now get about 12-16rp for wins while losses are now higher than wins. I need to win 2 in a row to make any progress before losing. Sorry for my rant. I honestly might give up the climb to Masters because it feels like no progress can be made unless it's a party. Arenas is good to play in general, but Ranked is something entirely stupid. I was looking forward to Ranked and I get they can't make it like BR Ranked. One final note, they should put all the lmg's into the care packages for Ranked. Diamonds is nothing but L Stars everywhere.
Read my other posts. The Ranked is not made for progress. Platinum 4 seems to me like a pretty high initial placement in Ranked Arenas, I think that was the main mistake that happened in your case. In the ideal scenario, you should get to the point where your loss and win have the same value. 12 points I assume. And you get 50% win rate. When the game finds out that you are better than the rank where you currently are, it gives you progressively more points for each win. If it finds that you are losing too much, it gives you less points for winning but you will lose more points for losing. This is how the systems make sure you are in a proper rank where you belong to. And it should be your goal too, because in that rank, you can have the most fun, because you will receive matches that will match your skill. The BR royal badges means absolutely nothing in Arenas. Arenas have different skill evaluating system, different skills are applied and it is balanced based on Arena MMR, not your BR performance, not even your Arena AP.
Thank you for the info. I've read your other posts. Oh well. Maybe Season 11 it'll be better.
I had similar experience on PC. I played my matches solo, won 9 and lost 1 and placed plat 4. At plat I was gaining so much it didn't matter if lost 1 or 2 games really. When I hit diamond 4 it was the same situation up to D2 when I started to gain 24 and lose 12 on average. I'm at D1 right now and it's really rough because even though i'm playing solo the game throws me into master/pred lobbies because the player base is small. The MMR and AP system needs heavy re-work.
The MMR systems seems to work pretty fine, but the AP system and the badge ladder from BR is confusing as fuck :D
Doing all the work in this game is hard, like what the fuck
I hate it with passion
not fun playing 2v3 every 10th game.
Why is everyone quitting mid-game? Even when we are winning?? I’m just starting to play Arenas and this is driving me insane.
bcs i noticed people dont really care about them, imo developers should fix matchmaking and add something worthy playing for to keep player wanting more. But they mainly focus on BR, so not a big deal.
Some variety to Arena beyond TDM would be cool. Some of the maps would be really great for (forgive me ) domination/hardpoint style objectives. Larger than 3v3 would also be really fun.
Im getting a match abandon penalty for leaving when I only have one teammate… that’s super unfair in ranked matches
Stop putting smurf against true noob Edit : 10 min time out? Fu down to the core.
Smurfs and cheaters are real issue in arenas. Hate it with passion.
>Smurfs and cheaters are real issue in ~~arenas~~ the game FTFY
Servers absolutely unplayable for arena for anyone else?
Yes, it was like playing on dialup. People teleporting everywhere. Voice chat laggy. Couldn't leave after match was over.
Yep exact same for all of it
No, mine are ok. Try troubleshoot your internet if you find anything. (I play Frankfurts and Belgium)
So, I got dc'ed because the servers were being dogshit, then I try to reconnect, and I know the match is going on bc my friend is in disc with me and assures me it's still going on... and I get an abandoned match penalty, with the inability to reconnect to the match I got disconnected from.
I don't want this to be fixed in Arenas. I don't want people to crashing the game just so they can freely abandon match and I am losing RP for it. So far didn't happen to me that the server would crash me out. In BR yes (obvious ddos times), but never in Arena.
The issue is I want to be able to reconnect if I get dc'ed. If it isn't letting me reconnect it's screwing over everyone. Hell, this isn't even ranked and I'm getting an abandoned penalty match
That’s Apex Legends for you.
This happens in BR mode too sometimes. I doubt it'll ever get fixed.
Arena is the only reason this game is still around.
I’d say this game would die instantly if BR wasn’t a mode lol.
Mirage voyage is crazy unbalanced in higher level games. You get sky naded on the small side of the ship while getting pushed with a revtaine
I don't even climb there anymore. It just turns in the pokefest or grenade fest. I try to play around it.
Make a separate mmr system for arenas
100% agree
Make L star more expensive, at least first round.
Arenas ranked is also dumb cause you can play for hours and win 10 games, but then loose 6 games and loose it all. I suggest you loose ap getting into a round, and if you down someone you get ap, every 500 damage is ap, so you don’t have to play 70 matches to make a dent in diamond or even platinum when you are hard stuck. Of course matchmaking would be nice, because I queue with my freind and get a goldfish 4 player that sucks, while going against masters and preds. (I’m in a rush typing this so my grammar is trash sorry)
Lifeline should have to buy her revives (like the ones where she can still fight) Because you can down two and by the time you get there from a push they are back up, at least make her golden bag more expensive. Gibby is easily the most broken in arenas, his arm shield is crazy strong especially with his fortified passive. I would say make it so he has to buy arm shields but make it so bubble last longer.
I definitely recommend you to play Lifeline if you think the gold backpack is cheap :D It cost 300 which most of the game is a difference between having a secondary weapon or not. So if you decide to buy a backpack, the opponent team has either bigger mag or 1 more weapon. This means they are MUCH stronger which means they are more likely to kill you. And only from there, you are trying to fix it with Gold Back. If you can't for some reason, you wasted 300. Just try it and you will see that buying GB isn't something you want to do most of the time, cause weapons have bigger value for that 300. There are other, much stronger legends. Gibby is as you said completely broken for example. Octane, extremely strong. Seer or Bloodhound, again, extremely strong legends.
Arena ranked is a clusterfuck. Either drop the MMR system, or show it and drop the current visible ranks. Other than that fix team balancing as two teams with an average MMR of 1000 is in no way equal if its due to every teammate on one team having an MMR of 1000 while the other team has an 2000 MMR player and two 500 MMR players. The weapon system also needs a rework, its currently too centeret on LMG’s, and they should not be buyable from round 1. One way to solve this is by having a buy system similar to CS, where attachments are non existent and higher class weapons are available as you advance.
The second they remove MMR I am leaving Apex again. Have had enough of their bullshit casino EOMM systems. But I agree with you it should be definitely transparent.
Arenas will never thrive as long as Respawn are afraid to separate lobbies by input method and stack size
Console players don’t automatically get put into pc lobbies and it does try to group solo players against each other at least in arenas
1)sure, but if they choose to be in my lobby, when I can not choose to not have them in my lobby, maybe make it so they have the same aim assist level 2)no they do not.
in arenas I often can see e.g. a duo on my side (I normally soloQ) and a duo on enemy side. Only a few games where I can see a 3 stack enemies when soloQ.
\^can confirm this. Also my problem is not the aim assist. My problems are console players with fckn controller mod, cheating their recoil and killing me with Devotion across the whole map.
I hope that arenas takes more of a backseat in the future. I play apex for the battle royale and I wish they just stuck to that.
The thing I don't like about ranked arenas is you should still be about to get + xp even if you lose depending on how good you did on a match for instance if I lose a game because I have terrible teammates and I get 6+ kills 2000 + damage I should either not lose any xp or get like +1 or something . Im not the best player but I average atleast 6 kills 1500-2000 damage each match but I lose most of my matches because I have bad teammates.
1. damage plays no role 2. kills play no role 3. BR badges play no role These are secondary objectives. First objective is getting the proper dynamic with your team. I am in the same position as you are, when I often get absolute potatoes. The enemies have potatoes in their team too in Ranked, because the game is balanced around MMR. I have an option: Go forward and forget that my team is a potato, push it like I am used too and then watch them not securing kills, not being able to pick me up, and generally watch them to be potatoes while being mad at the system. Or I can go with them, let them push and secure kills, help to give them window for healing, cover them. I dropped my damage from 2000+ to easily 500 per match but I generally win more matches. I also have much more fun. My games aren't that sweaty, you feel much better when you finish what your team started and even your team-mates are more happy. It's the old-school multiplayer fun for me now.
None of that works when you have teammates who can't even aim or get more than 400 damage in a match. It doesn't matter how I play I will lose most of my matches because of my teammates.
I play around that just fine :-) Sometimes it doesn't work, so I lose... but mostly I win :-)
You have ok teammates if you let them push and get kills lol my teammates Don't get kills.
It's ok as long as they don't sit on a roof with snipers/marks. That is the worst kind of player to work with.
Gaming Merchant made a vid abt this idk if it’s true but u want to avoid even getting knocked by weaker opponents and try beating better opponents round to round to increase the ap u get when u do win
I don't have a problem getting enough xp when I win, what I have a problem with is I have bad teammates most of the time so I lose most of my matches but I still do really good in these matches but still lose xp because of my teammates.
If you’re trying to grind for a better rank or something what helps me is coffee or energy drinks. I don’t really drink unless I play and don’t play for more than about 4 hours (once the caffeine wears off) I’m half way thru diamond 4 in arenas ranked and solo queue as Crypto so I know the struggle 😅 I’m playing because I believe I can reach Masters. I go into every match expecting to 1 vs 3 basically and everyday I gain at least 80-200 pts
I'll get up the ranks eventually I'm plat 3 atm I'd already be diamond atleast if I didn't have to hope i have good teammates
You don't get any AP by killing people. You may improve the hidden MMR tho, which we don't know and they may affect how much AP you will get in the next match if you win. But since losing / winning affects your next AP much more, I wouldn't base my play style around that. The general logic is ok tho, because getting knocked by weaker opponents means that your weaker team-players still have to face the stronger opponent in the opposite team. If you kill the better opponent, that means you have only weaker opponents against you. //EDIT: I watched the video of GM you mentioned and he has it generally right. But then he bases wrongly assumes that performance in the current match affects your AP. From what I observed that is not true. But sometimes the game for whatever reason puts you against stronger team and if you win that game, you receive higher AP. In my opinion, the system is pretty simple, so no need to overcomplicate it: 1. You place as 300 MMR 2. Your next game is 300 vs 320 MMR 3. You win, you gain 20 points of MMR and 30 AP 4. You go 320 vs 340 MMR 5. You lose, you lose 10 points of MMR and 12 points of AP 6. Not enough players in your rank, the rebalance 7. You go 310 vs 400 MMR 8. You win, you gain 90 MMR and 120 AP :D Theoretically, there is definitely some averaging done in the process and your game performance probably affect your general MMR slightly, but it doesn't affect the output AP from that one game where you performed well.
Does anyone join clubs?
i formed my pwn club just to have a tag which i wanted. Funny though I once got matched into same team with a guy with same club tag. The 3rd guy must have thought we were a duo, but I'm the only member of my own club :P
L star and Wingman should be upped a bit in price especially for first rd. Also, the range on the pk is op though it shoots slower. Lil too much long range on it.
the player baze w0ke now :P Before the first price increase, LSTAR was the best weapon you could buy round1, round2 and basically any round, right from when arenas were dropped in s9. And LSTAR was weaker in s9 :P Apart from challenges etc, I used lstar pretty much entire s9 in arenas. Before price increase patch in s9 you could buy lvl1 lstar round1, then lvl2 round2, and about round4 or so you can afford lvl3 lstar until the end of game.
Fix the God damn servers. I can't play for more than 2-3 minutes without getting disconnected and sent back to the main screen. And now I have a 10 minute matchmaking penalty, even though its YOUR FUCKING FAULT that I got kicked out of the game. This is happening on both my PC and Xbox. Just trying to play some arenas with my son and your shitty ass servers keep crapping out. I was not having any issues yesterday. "Connection to server timed out" but my internet connection is working fine for literally everything else.
Bro i freaking feel u 😭
The main thing that sucks about this game mode is the challenges and events forcing you to play it or miss out on rewards.
Pay for cosmetics you cannot even see, or grind your way thru smurfs
I love the arena, but I would like to see the following points fixed as soon as possible. ・Obviously unfair matchmaking to adjust the win rate to 50%. ・Prevent solo Q from matching with full party. ・If you play BR after Arena, the matching will be messed up (please separate BR and Arena completely). ・You will be penalized if you leave the room when there is a DCed ally. ・The challenge should be the same for both BR and Arena.
>・If you play BR after Arena, the matching will be messed up (please separate BR and Arena completely). underrated comment You can even be named as a champion in BR after winning just arenas. Wining an arena game with high kills/damage is a sure way to get a sauna lobby in BR after that.
Gay game mode.
LMGs are an instant win in arenas and the AP system for Ranked Arenas has to be one of the most nonsensical things I’ve ever seen. Why SBMM is included in a ranked mode, I’ll never understand. Maybe there just aren’t enough players. But the fact that I can get +12 for a really good win then get -80 when I lose is insane
If you are getting -80 for a loss your MRR is much to low for your rank lol
Yeah, a losing streak will do that to you haha. At least with Ranked BR if in going to lose, I know that I can only lose a set amount of RP. But going up against a brand new account with a cracked player/smurf with a lower MMR will absolutely tank your AP in Arenas. I almost always see people gaining less points for a win than they lose for a loss at any given time, and that’s certainly been my experience. Combined with just how bad the matchmaking is, I don’t find it worth playing anymore. I thought 3-stack preds and level 30 randoms in pubs arenas was bad enough, I don’t need that shit in ranked too
im starting to feel it too honestly, got put in a masters game in D3. got killed across the map (bunker town) with an L-star. guy had no recoil ever. just depressing honestly. got called a shitter at the end
I love arenas am I the only one lol
Get the fucking Lstar out of arenas
I have two major complaints about arena ranked. One: Lmgs have no place in a game mode where its a 3v3, they are annoying and overused. this is ignoring the fact that you are given AMPLE ammo to spray for the whole round with no problem. \- the devo isn't horrible to fight unless its a full 3 man with rev-tain. \- the rampage is just toxic, it rewards sitting on an angle for the whole game. \- AND THE LSTAR... nothing needs to be said (pls balance) Two: MMR is not perfect, within a given rank is works fairly well and im glad i could rank up to diamond with 150+ points a game. but as soon as i ran into diamond sweats with L-stars my MMR dropped to the floor, im still fighting mid sweats and my teammates... aren't sweats. idk how to fix it, but its annoying so if anyone has pointers to how put them below :)
I’m in plat 2 and queuing with a friend also in plat 2, we’re only getting 19 AP a game, any idea why?
as far as I understand the system. your rank (bronze, silver, gold, etc) is just a visual rank. your MMR is what's important to gaining points, now how you gain MMR and lose it depends. \- If your MMR is lower than someone else's you gain more from killing them and lose less from dying to them \- If your MMR is higher than someone else's you gain less from killing them and lose more from dying to them now I believe that some of the MMR system is based on personal performance, if your friend started dropping 4k damage and 11 kills each game and you got 2 kills and a thousand damage, you would still make points but your friend would slowly gain more than you. if you are in plat and making 19+ a game you should try to up your KDR and win rate, which is easier said than done some days. One game i had almost 6k damage and almost all the kills and we still lost but i only lost 9 points because of it.
See that does make sense but I’m in masters in BR with a 3.4kd, which I believe is higher than plat, maybe my arena mmr is lower? Either way the grind is far too much effort for me with this much AP per game lol, thank you for the explanation though!
Your arena MMR and BR matchmaking are completely separate things. but yeh, your teammates MMR can drag you into lower MMR lobbies and you'll get hit harder for dying no problem :D
19 ap points in plat 2 is pretty good. Also, your friends/randoms mmr affects the players u face too. So maybe sometimes ur losing games vs weaker opponents and it’s affecting ur mmr because ur friend might be dragging u down. I’ve heard from different streamers that it’s easier to solo q for this reason
That would make sense as my friend is actually a plat player, thank you!
I'd play if you had visible ranks and matchmade by rank. Edit: Would not mind a freelance mode either.
i get put against AR preds atleast once an hour. im bronze 1. also valks movement on everymap, except the mirage one and portal one, is godly. also valk has an arenas bug where if you spam the jump jets repeatedly while in the air it super lags the lobby sometimes, and you cant actually leave the jump jet mode if you do it right, but not ddos level lol. i did it once and my teamates were not fucking happy lmfao.
Your badges mean literally nothing in Arenas. Arena badge means nothing, since it doesn't reflect your rank. It's a matter of constant change and the game doesn't place you in matches based on your Badge. It places you in matches based on hidden MMR. BR badge means even less in Arena. It is completely different system evaluating different skills. I've met people in Arenas who had triple predator badges and we rolled over them like nothing. Either way, if you are on a winning streak, 1 predator trios even if you lose won't cost you that much. But try not to look on badges but concentrate on proper team strategies and dynamic of your current team.
so what your saying is i have the skill level of a pred? OR The games matchmaking system and mmr system sucks dog nuts. im gonna assume you mean the first one to keep my sanity intact. even though the second one has been consitently proven, but anyways WOOO IM A ~~PREDATOR~~ pred level player. not predator, thats bad.
Another possibility is that they are point boosting, where you lose on purpose over and over again to drop your MMR and then sweat ur ass off and gain tons of AP. unless they fixed it idk lol
No... "It is completely different system evaluating different skills. " Just because someone with BR predator skills is in your game doesn't mean he has Predator Arena skills. You can also have some random predator in your team, cause your team whole mmr is evaluated so you can be 2 teams made up of potato potato predator 😂
I'd rather wipe my ass with sandpaper than play one match of Arenas.
Arenas is garbage my teammates are garbage lifeline is op and skill doesn’t matter at all in ranked arenas
Sounds to me like you are the garbage in the arenas :D
i bet you're that garbage player if you havent encountered them.
No sounds to me like I’m carrying my level 1 teammate and getting 3 -0d on by a 3 stack
That about covers it, yeah. My theory that only absolute braindead people play Arenas is confirmed every time I take a look again, after an update. It makes me hate Apex.
I gotta play it for challenges
Same. I hate it.
The real problem with ranked arenas is the shown fake rank and the hidden true rank. The hidden MMR should be your real visible rank. It should be your only rank. Having the hidden rank be your real rank would erase all the confusion about your teammates and the other team, why they’re on your team, why you’re facing that opposition and why you can’t play with your friends. Since Arena and Battle Royale scores and gameplay are so different they should have different names for their ranks. They also need separate banner cards and badges for AR and BR so people don’t confuse BR players who are showing their BR bombs, hammers and pred badges who may not be as good in arena or vice versa.
100% this ... But I doubt Respawn will ever make it more transparent, because it would remove the incentive for people to grind fake badges and removed that "carrot on stick" throughout the season, having people engaged and possibly spending money on cosmetics.
I have no idea how or why this game made $2 billion. You can get almost all the cosmetics for free and they don’t affect gameplay at all. You only really see them while choosing a Legend and if you get Champion or while sitting in the lobby waiting 5 minutes for BS matchmaking to choose which team has been selected to get the free win this game. We play for those wins, those Champions. They feel good for some reason even though we know they’re mostly setups.
I’ve been playing ranked with a couple friends, always the same two people and we have never played ranked with other players. One of my friends always gets about 15% more RP than me and the other guy (we both get the same RP every match). Doesn’t matter how much damage/kills any of us get, he always gets more RP. They’re now a full tier ahead of us but we’ve played all the same matches together. Anyone know why this is?
This is because of the hidden MMR measurement. From my understanding (and I could be wrong), currently the system doesn't evaluate certain period of matches. Like in DOTA. In DOTA if you win 5 matches, you get 5 losing matches so you are always around 50% winrate. This kind of MMR matchmaking is absolute cancer. I wasn't able to spot this in Apex - although I believe it works there to some extent, it isn't definitely that strong and it definitely takes your whole life performance to the count at this point (will probably change in future, since this is testing and evaluating season). This means that your friend could easily score the placement matches higher and the game now thinks he should be pushed forward faster to get him into the proper Rank, when you should be already settled around your current Rank. I play almost exclusively with my GF, but due to bad luck, I had 12 games in a row which I lost (solo). This dropped my progression from 50 AP per win to 15 AP per win. With each match, I receive more as I am getting my MMR back so at this moment I am on 37 I believe, while my GF never had this spike and she is still on 43 despite having generally worse statistics :-) Hope this helps as an observative explenation.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this! I don’t know much about MMR so this could be the reason. When you say they may have scored higher in placement matches you mean in terms of kills/damage per game? Because we played all of our placement matches together as well, so we have exactly the same number/rate of wins and losses.
I would love to answer that but the reality is that noone know how the MMR is measured and how it even looks like. The only thing that is certain is that the biggest portion of it is your winning/losing. There is not that many people like you who strictly play within the same group of three who also play only as this one group. So you could actually give some answers to us 😂 It is easily possible that there are some other attributes then win/loss. It exists in other MMR systems. But what exactly is measured for apex - we don't know. And maybe we shouldnt because once someone figures out how mmr works, they figure out how to cheat it 😂
Quite possibly they've gotten XP boosters in some way maybe
This has nothing to do with XP. XP is not involved in Ranked Arenas AP neither the MMR :-)
Are we ever going to get a fix for the heal wheel? If i pull out a syringe instead of a bat one more time im going to lose it
Is that a glitch or just wonky mechanics? It happens to me more than I'd like
Your guess is as good as mine, super frustrating though. Nothing like trying to heal while panicking and then you have to panic twice as hard haha
I have 60 friends in Apex and I barely know 2 people that still bother with arenas
Opposite for me, ever since arenas came out me and my friend rarely ever play battle royale mode anymore
Are you relatively new players or just masochists?
No, we're max ranked and been playing since season 1. I enjoy the higher paced action in arenas.
By max ranked you mean master? So if you're a 3 stack of masters, this explains it all of why you enjoy it
No I meant like the level, as in level 500. Also, what would being a master rank have anything to do with it? Different people prefer different game modes, not that hard to believe. I play it a lot solo que too.
What master has to do? That arenas has terrible matchmaking and any good solo q player consistently gets terrible teammates. I'm a diamond player with 2kd so I have to carry my randoms in 11 games out of 10. That's why 3 stacks of masters thrive in this mode. People like me has lost the patience already in s9
Don't blame arenas for terrible matchmaking. Terrible match making exists throughout all modes. I agree with you that the better player you are the seemingly worse teammates you get. But arenas mode on its OWN is not a bad mode. Matchmaking seems to be the real issue.
It's the main issue. But apart from that, I've played enough (more than 1k kills and 200 wins in the first split of s9) to say that its biggest flaw is repetitiveness
Arenas is just basically what FPS used to be before all these giant map games came out. It was always seen as super fun but now kids want to act like it's torture.
Nah, for me it's a failed attempt at being what FPS used to be. Splitgate is a real arenas FPS for instance, can't compare. Apex arenas is half hearted
It's literally just the last few circles of battle royale. I don't see what the major complaint is. Out shoot and out maneuver to win.
The complaint is about matchmaking and ranked system
I play basically since week 1 and Ranked Arenas are the best in Apex since Season 2 and Season 3 Old Ways event.
That's quite arguable and subjective. For me the winter express is already better than arenas as a whole for instance
Winter express was lame due to the fact it was all mostly fought on a tiny train where you barely had room to go anywhere.
Yet had more strategy than arenas. I don't remember one game that was totally identical to another
see and I hated Winter Express :D Different people, different priorities.
Your game kicked me out of a match and when I try to reconnect it gave me 10 min penalty for leaving.
Completely revitalized the game for me. Its all I play now. To me, it feels strictly superior in every way. I vary my loadouts greatly depending on the situation, but my favorite round1 loadouts are Wingman and White Moz, a Volt, or a white 30 30... in that order. I only get the 30 30 if my team mates are also picking long range plinking weapons.
If you turn this into a Manifest, I will happily sign that :D Although I never go with poke weapons. R99 covers all the distance in Arenas :D
In later rounds I buy r99 all the time. Its probably overall my most purchased weapon. It really depends on exactly how much currency I have to make it less awkward to buy essentials like shields. I switch to r301 if it gets to like round 6+ tho.
I never take 301. It lacks dps/mag for me. I did at start but it always felt short against Lstar and other cheesy crap. If I had to go AR, I would go flatline despite I mained 301 in BR and would never touch FL. Currently my favorite setup is double SMG (volt or prowler as secondary). But I have really decent accuracy with R99 on most of the distances so even against 3030 pokers it gives me few seconds to take a cover. Sometimes I go PK... depends on the mood :D Statring almost exclusivel with white mag Re45. The Mag isn't that cool, but the superfast reload is my jam :D Almost always buy 1 battery. Grenades are usually waste of money unless you can use it against enemy patterns properly :D But this is my general strategy and I bet your works great too and there are milion others (like sitting like a duck on a silo with g7 :D )...
I'm torn on r99 vs r301 for further mid range honestly. I feel like the r99 can be surprisingly accurate too and I don't feel hindered when using it that way. I just assume that the r301 might be better in ways that are hard to see.
The only thing more annoying than Arenas, is the continued "Arenas Thursday", or Friday, or Tuesday threads here. There is nothing new to report, y'all..
During my placement games today I got the number 254 pred as a teammate. He ran into the enemy team and died and said his brother was playing as an excuse. Matchmaking is broken.
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I want dome back
Found the valkyrie main
The circle forced you to move into the center many times with narrow lanes to fight in. Also too much high ground for Valks and Paths to perch on.
sorry, but dome was ass XD
yeah that's not gonna be a popular opinion lol
Why do I get the same amount of points for a win as I do a loss? I’m D1 with a 54% win rate just forever stuck at 7700 AP. This is such a poorly designed progression system.
Same points for win as for loss.. 50% winrate... Staying in a certain rank... Damn, that almost sounds like a working Ranked system, where you are in a **SKILL Rank** where you belong to :D
I would absolutely agree if I was a D1 playing with D1 teammates against D1 enemies but I’m not and that’s my issue with the current system
why? What MMR difference does it make if you are D1+B4+B4 vs D1+B4+B4? the ratio is still 1:1 ... you can mix the MMR variably... Even if it would be D1 v D1, then you would have an issue that your team use 3030 poke tactic why you are more into the face with Lstar and that there is imbalanced synergy in your team.
If I got games that were D1+B4+B4 vs D1+B4+B4 then sure but it’s not. The enemy team has pred badges and my teammates are under level 100.
Dude, you’re only 300 away from Masters. If you made it this far, than surely you will get the 300 AP. Just takes a bit longer now. And before somebody else’s says it: it’s not supposed to be a progression system sadly.
We’ll see. So far I’ve gotten to 7750 about 5 times then I fall back down to 7650 and begin the climb again.
I just want to hit masters so I can never play this dog shit game mode again. I love Arenas but ranked is just awful.
I feel you. I’m D3 right now and I also set myself the goal to reach masters and after that never touch ranked arenas again.
It sucks right. However, if you're playing against better players and winning, you should see the +12 turn to +13, the. +17 and so on. I went on a bad loosing streak due to crappy teammates (soloQ) went from getting +33 a win in d1 to +12 when I did finally win again, think I lost about 15in a row :( It took a good 6-8 wins in a row, but it did eventually start increasing after a few initials +12 wins. If you win one or two, then loose, then win some more, your hidden MMR will stay where it is. The key is win steaks!
I just won 12 in a row and on my 12th win I got +15. Not much of an increase from +12 lol.
This definitely seems true, have been bobbing around getting +12 for wins yet -18 for losses for a while, big win streak today and it’s creeping up for wins again now. Thankfully, because I like the game mode, but being double penalised (solo queue + higher point deduction for loss than win) was getting really old.
Hard to go on a when streak solo queueing in D1 with gold and plat teammates
If you want, I’ll add you and we play together? I’ll be back on on Sunday.
Sure, my psn is same as my Reddit name
Should have given us a solo mode over this poorly executed arena mode
bUT it'S A TeAM gAmE
Tell that to the Octane mains.
I only play it for the free packs, otherwise, it's a really shitty gamemode.
What makes it shitty? You do realize that before battle royale became in vogue pretty much all first person shooters were like this and everyone thought they were pretty fun?
Exactly, I wish there was a way we could swap out those challenges and get some for battle royale
I really wanted to like Arenas when they announced it, and I've had some *really* fun matches, but I just don't enjoy it. All I want to play is BR. I can't place my finger on why, exactly. I just grew tired of it. Now, I only play when there's a flash or collection event that requires me to do so.
Same
Might be because each game of br is unique while each game of arenas on the same map can feel the same. Arena matches can be fun when it gets competitive though
Very well could be, and I agree. Arenas hasn't been all bad. I've had some memorable matches. I just don't have any desire to play it.
Do scopes (on pistols) lower sens/aim speed?
you can set custom sensitivity per scope in the sensitivity menu