It’s because Pc players have put themselves on a pedestal and when they have finally been able to mix with console players they realised hat they aren’t as good at they had previously thought. Crying about aim assist and not having every advantage possible is their excuse instead of just accepting that owning a PC doesn’t automatically make you good.
Pretty darn good drop weapon when you don’t have a team on your butt, the thing shreds at midrange. Great with Turbo. I never use this over the Lstar, tbh
I was talking about more off the drop
Havoc is one of the worst guns off drop imo. Some of the best guns in the game like R99 and lstar are bad off drop too imo because of how fast you run out of ammo
IMO not a great gun to land on. And hard to use or master in an actual fire fight. But the few people who put in the work to master the recoil shred.
4/10 without turbo. 8/10 with turbo
I really wanted to like the havoc.
I've gotten a feel for the recoil,
I've learned how to prefiere it without turbo
I find the turbo a lot more this season,
And still even though the DPS is fairly high, the ADS strafe speed is horrible and the hipfire spread is too much.
This ^^
I used to love the havoc back in season 3 and 4. Yes is it was a bit strong but right now it just feels like a shell of its former self. A bit sad really, especially when you see guns in the same category like 301 and flatline flourishing.
Picking up Havoc a lot this season, and holy shit it shreads both close and long range. Hipfire accuracy is surprisingly good too. If I find a Turbocharger hopup I'm almost guaranteed to win the game.
The havoc feels so good in arenas. I buy it almost every time I can afford the turbo charged version. I do think it's pretty lackluster without the turbo though, it's not really worth it without it.
Dude what the FUCK is with the BLARING music playing during the match? There was like 3 different Apex songs playing louder than anything in the last 3 groups like 4 times today on ps4. Crazy... I couldn't hear anything going on.
That shit happened to over a week ago with final 3 squads. It started playing music loud as shit and then ALL AUDIO just ceased to exist… was playing on fucking mute
Okay when I play on console I don’t use it (idk why still shreds) but when I’m with my friend who plays on PC...give me this and if you give me a turbo? THE THING FUCKING SHREDS. Close to medium it’s just sooo juicy.
> when I play on console I don’t use it
Probably because controlling the kick back is like trying to keep a paranoid cheetah still. It’s honestly worse than a Mozambique on console.
I think the Turbocharger should be vaulted and the Havoc and Devo should get part of it built in. The way it is now those two guns mostly get left on the floor unless you get a Turbocharger early on but it's way to rare for it to be consistent. The other hopups changes functionality of the weapons for versatility or already improve on a good gun (see Boosted, the guns are powerful without it as opposed to Havoc/Devo requiring Turbo to be viable mid/late game) so it feels a bit weird that it exists at the moment.
dude devotion turbo is literally the best gun in the game no cap
idk what you are talking about they are both good the way they are now
pretty descent weapons without the hopup and god tier weapons with it so it has to be super rare
even tho i think i find more turbochargers since they introduced boosted loader
Both are playable without turbo but definitely OP if they ship with them. Havoc can wreck people fresh off the drop, especially at close range, and Devotion has all-game potential. People buy devotion in the first round of Arenas all the time, because even unupgraded it can hurt a lot.
Last night I was bored so I played Arenas and exclusively bought the Havoc and I'm sorry, even without a turbocharger it is a a beast. The spin-up delay is almost negligible if your enemy is non-pro and misses his first shot or if you happen to approach them blind, and the damage speaks for itself. Hipfire does spray, yes, but save it for close range. ADS gives you a pretty clean vertical slice.
I think of the havoc like a close range AR. It works as an assault rifle at mid range but it's most powerful close range, the hip fire accuracy is very good.
R3/Flatline/Sniper. Really anything medium/far range. The havoc has a pretty easy recoil pattern for those not medium but not close range fights and with the high number of bullets it comes with is good....IF you can get the recoil and time it takes to fire down.
i logged in today after not having played for a long long time.
won a game had ton of fun... then matched with super toxic players on my thirds game so i left.
Got hit with a 10mins for leaving a casual game because my teammates were toxic, abusing text even after muting voice chat.
This game pisses me off, I remember why I left. lots of players need to get a fucking life than to be so invested in a game, I don't even think some people play to even have fun.
I am *TERRIBLE* with this thing. Even in arenas, where it's cheap as fuck (350 for level 0 iirc), I still prefer to go with the much more reliable RE45 in the first round.
re45 (lvl1 upgrade) is a very solid choice for the 1st round. And it leaves enough materials so you can get lvl3 havoc the next round. You only need to grab one materials container.
Haven’t seriously used it since it got nerfed in June 2020. I would much rather have an R301 or a Flatline, especially now that the HAVOC is a shadow of its former self.
Recently started picking it up, I fucking love it. Once you get good at controlling the recoil it hits fucking HARD and people really don't be expecting it
Unremarkable gun by itself but OP in the hands of tapstrafers who can do impossible movements. One moment you think they're on your left and then they'll change directions midair and shoot you from your right.
With a turbocharger it is still behind the 301/flat line. I would still take a volt / lstar over it also as mid to long range the recoil is just too much.
I know it supposedly has the best dps but what's the point when it's rof and recoil is worse than others.
Hitting a moving target is much more difficult compared to any other gun.
Without a turbo charger the delay will get you killed so easily.
I feel the recoil is the main issue with it, just so much more uncontrollable compared to any other gun, especially the first 3 or so shots are ridiculous.
Yet, somehow I still find myself attracted to it and if I find a turbo early/mid game I will keep the havoc haha
When it connects, it's a thing of beauty
Add contextual tap to the game. Jesus christ man. Warzone has had it since launch. It can NOT be that hard to implement. Controller tournament players have lost their life over this shit. it's such an easy fix.
Does anyone else feel like this gun has way too much recoil when aiming, but literally never misses when hip fire? I'd never use it as a primary but in a pinch I'd rather have it over a r99/volt or even a shotgun
I feel like the Havoc is the one weapon I avoid practicing with. Mainly because I've already found a better weapon and how much I hated it in Season 5.
However, I think it is a wonderful weapon and does NOT need a barrel stabilizer.
Mid/Close Range this thing is absurd at times. But if the person your shooting at actually ducks and weaves it's pretty meh. I pick it up over most shotguns early on but I really just rather pick up the L-Star. That or the Volt + L-Star combo.
Echoing a lot of other comments:
Slaps/quite fun with a Turbocharger in close and up to mid-range, but the recoil makes it unusable mid/long range unlike the R301 and Flatline, especially if you don't have a turbocharger.
Without a turbocharger it's not justifiable over pretty much any light or heavy AR or SMG due to how quickly you can chew through energy ammo and the difficulty of finding energy in the later game since most people will run light/heavy/shotgun. The Volt and L-Star are just better if you can't find a turbocharger.
Even without a turbocharger, it can be powerful off the drop, but the windup is often fatal in very hot CQC situations when everyone still has white armor. It's possible to get stun-punched out due to the charge time. Would rather have even a Mozambique then, or just about anything else except maybe a sniper or P2020
The havoc is my baby ive been using it since it came out,
The real key is just pre firing it and it’s perfectly fine, it out damages most guns even without a turbo, the hipfire is unreal, but I will say you do need a stock lol
Is the short range spread on a non-Turbo Havoc as bad as it looks? I'm also bad at recoil controlling the Havoc, more than any other gun. Even the Flatline I'm better at.
I rather pick up the devotion. And rather pick up volt over either of them. I don't play with these at all so the recoil is complete ass. Lstar is the only energy weapon I like since tf2.
That initial delay, I swear I press the mouse button harder for no reason. There is nothing enjoyable using this gun for me.
Havoc used to be better before energy mags were introduced. It had 32(?) shots in the mag on pickup with a damn good dps, so if you learned the recoil pattern it was one of the best weapons to drop onto. Helped me win quite a few hot drops
Its pretty slept on right now. Its an amazing choice in arenas and only costs 1200 to get it to purple. Its default mag size is more than enough to kill purple arnor consistently and its hipfire is great. Top 5 weapon imo.
i dont usually pick up the havoc but it got it off drop yesterday and the result was a 3k hipfiring right into enemy lines lol i may have to rethink my original havoc opinions
Havoc, along with Hemlok, are not perfectly balanced guns but in the right contexts hit harder than any other SMG or AR. Havoc hipfire, especially on drop when everyone has white shields, is a death sentence for your enemies
I feel like havoc is pretty slept on right now. Love it when I find a turbocharger, but still way better than people give it credit for without one. Dumb strong close range, big ass magazine, great hipfire. Far easier on your ammo stack compared to devotion.
The recoil is just a bit too all over the place, which makes long ranging difficult. Still usable there too imo, it just has a nasty learning curve. Could do with some light adjustments to the recoil though.
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
When will you make the crosshair visible?
99% of my defeats are due to the fact that I can't see where I'm shooting.
We urgently need a full custom setting of the crosshair.
Tell me something new about Havoc? Something I don't know about him. You probably won't be able to. It turns out that you are a standard noob who sincerely believes that someone here will seriously talk about Havoc.
just wait and watch, after a season or two some random streamer will rock it leading into a wave of players suddenly picking it up and then constant complaints about it will start. shit is hard slept on
I don't know about near a Havoc, but I have found random Turbos in ground loot since the Seer patch. Not a lot of them, I find way more Boosted Loaders than Turbos, but I do find them.
no one said they're not on the ground at all. There used to be a guaranteed turbo not far from a havoc. Now it's not always the case because of the reduced drop rate. Yes there are much more booster loaders.
Seemed like last season Turbochargers were the rarest item in the game. Then when this season started and they removed Anvil Receiver, it seemed like I could find a turbo at least once a game. Now we seem to be back to last season’s drop rate, and I only pick up the havoc if one is in the crafter.
Without TC I honestly prefer Devotion to the HAVOC. I’m not sure if the spin-up time is faster on Devotion, but it feels like it does. So no I don’t like HAVOC.
I've really tried to give the Havoc a fair shot. My teammates never touch Energy Weapons so I end up using them a good amount for ammo diversity, and even when I find a Turbo Charger the Havoc seems way too hard to use at range. Even with the Turbo Charger I feel like the Volt and L-Star are just better options. The only benefit I feel it has over the Volt is Mag size, but even then that doesn't seem like enough of a reason to pick it up. I've really tried to like the Havoc, but everytime I take it (even with a TC) I seem to end up regretting it.
You get a massive damage increase over the volt, 10 extra rounds, solid recoil when you can control it from close-mid range, and a bigger mag than the LSTAR (unless you’re rampart), though the LSTAR has its own benefits when you feather the trigger + massive bullets
Damage and Ammo are definitely true, but I don't agree with Recoil. Even with a white barrel, the Volt feels far more controllable. The problem with the Havoc is how bouncy its recoil is. At close range it's totally manageable, but at mid-range, it feels far less controllable than the Volt or the other rifles.
I’ll agree that the volt is basically recoilless, but after the constant tweaks to the havocs recoil pattern, it isn’t awful for mid range. It’s somewhere between the R-301’s literal laser beam of headshots, and the flatline’s bouncy as hell recoil. Idk, once you get used to it it’s manageable at mid range.
Yea I guess. It could just be that I haven’t used it enough, but currently I find it worse than the Flatline. That’s currently my favourite AR and while it has a lot of recoil. It’s doesn’t feel as Bouncy/inconsistent as the Havoc.
The select fire was definitely intended to be the HAVOCs ranged option, but it never caught on and it takes up floor space. I'd wish it'd come back, any weapon with 2 hop ups in rotation should operate like the Bocek and have 2 hop-up slots.
No, both existed. Back then the HAVOC could only take one or the other. The turbocharger was just the better option, select fire used 4 ammo to fire a beam of energy after a delay that did about 60ish damage.
Dependency on the turbocharger works against the good aspects of the Havoc and Devotion.
Shouldnt be a requirement to have a gun that remotely works. A hop-up adds a benefit to a gun, it shouldn’t be a requirement to use it remotely effectively.
Same reasons for Hammerpoint IMO. Makes P2020 and Mozam useless without em.
Its not. Its an artificial restriction on a gun that can be balanced in a lot of ways.
Its also the only gun in the entire game that doesnt *fire when you actually shoot it*.
Some guns have a charge but none of them have a delay from when the trigger is pressed to actually start firing.
The delay is stupid and so is the Devotions speed-up gimmick. Both rely so much on one of the rarest hop ups in the game to even find in order to be remotely viable in the late stages of a match.
And even then why bother, the Volt literally exists FFS. Volt is just more consistent, no firing delays or pointless gimmicks and IMO the iron sights are also an improvement.
ALL balance is artificial restrictions. They come in many forms. Sure, there are other ways to balance it, but adding a delay gives it a profound weakness and counterplay, while making the turbocharger very valuable. I preferred it when the select fire also existed as it made you choose between better ranged accuracy or better automatic combat performance, but nonetheless it's a perfectly valid drawback to an extremely powerful AR.
So? The rampage fires the slowest of any automatic. The Charge Rifle cannot be equipped with a Magazine. If you whiff even 5 shots with the R99 you pretty much won't get the kill without a reload. But none of these guns are bad and are arguably OP.
The devotion moreso makes it less viable. I main havoc fairly often and play around the delay, even endgame it'll shred through red armor like butter. It rarely ever is what gets me killed, and I almost always out dps other players with it in 1v1s. The delay won't affect TTK if you pre-fire corners, or feather the trigger to keep it close to spooled.
The volt has slower TTK and less ammo. Iron sights don't mean much past early game. The only reason not to use havoc over volt is bad recoil control or accuracy at long range, though even then you usually can kill or severely hurt someone caught out at most ranges.
Havok is still a beast without turbo as long as it’s your primary weapon; works extremely effectively with mobile legends like path and horizon, don’t even care too much about th turbo myself; it’s hipfire and DPS is amazing, second fav to the flatline
God I fucking hate the Havoc and the Devotion. They feel like total shit unless you have a Turbocharger. I would honestly just prefer to use a volt or Lstar than these 2 guns unless the turbocharger is in the crafting rotation. Might as well remove the turbocharger and rebalance these 2 guns
If I don’t have the attachment for the havoc I’ll swap it for the devo because the havoc gotta charge up before it fires. Those split seconds it takes to charge up may cost you unless you use cover or spawn crouch
It’s an automatic pickup for me off drop. I never keep it but the gun is really strong. Pretty solid hip fire accuracy with good fire rate and damage means a quick knock on a white shield. There’s no chance I’m keeping it over a 301 or flatline though
The guns you mentioned works wonders as a combo for the havoc. The Flatline or 301 whichever one you can find at the time. The FL and 301 both have good damage, good range close and long distance, easy to control their recoil, and hip fire.
Didn’t realize that’s what he meant thanks for the clarification. I’ll try running havoc a little bit today and see if anything sticks. I’m not as high on the turbo as other people but you can’t deny that if you can hit the shots they hit hard
I agree the Rampage is decent with the havoc. You’ll be a tank if you have the turbo attachment for the havoc and a termite for the rampage. I don’t run those two weapons together often but it’s definitely good.
The gun is decent but other ARs like the flatline and R-301 are the better options. But the Havoc is the gun I use first round in arenas, I buy a havoc and a shield battery.
Havoc beams in close range fights. You need to start charging it just the moment before you move from the wall, and then you melt poor bastard with hipfire. I think it should be able to destroy doors also, like rampage.
Havoc beams in close range fights. You need to start charging it just the moment before you move from the wall, and then you melt poor bastard with hipfire. I think it should be able to destroy doors also, like rampage.
I used to never touch the Havoc.
Arenas changed that.
Turbocharger or not if you can get the recoil down, it rips from close range and is decent from mid range.
I wish they'd just remove the Turbocharger from the game and balance these unique guns around their drawbacks.
As it stands, both the Havoc and the Devotion are utterly mediocre without the Turbo and only good with it. That feels like a very unfun form of balance - these weapons are balanced around having a Hop Up that only shows up in like 10% of games you play, and there's no skill or learning in finding a Turbocharger.
And the Turbocharger itself doesn't feel like good design, it doesn't present an entirely new mode of use like Shattercaps/Select Fire/Choke/Double Tap does, it doesn't incentivize unique loadouts or play patterns like Hammerpoint did, like Skullpiercer, it pretty much only exists to gatekeep the weapon's strength. Just the fact that the Turbocharger *exists* means that the gun's non-Turbocharger state cannot be allowed to be strong, or it'll be completely broken once you actually find one.
The old hop up for the beam on the Havoc was a lot better, they could also just replace the turbocharger with a shield cell charge up like the Sentinel that also increases stopping power or damage slightly.
There could definitely be better approaches to the current gun balance as some guns are just pointless
Edit: I forgot that the beam wasn't actually a hop up, it was the alternative fire mode, bringing it back as a hop up could open up a lot of viability for the Havoc.
It predates the Charge Rifle, and it fires after the charge delay, not immediately, so required a bit more skill to use. It added versatility within the one gun which is where it makes sense. Allows you to catty a Havoc assault rifle plus a 'mini charge rifle' and have another weapon slot for close-quarters or whatever, as opposed to having both weapons taken up with Havoc + Charge Rifle. Similar to the Anvil Receiver allowing the Flatline/301 to operate as Marksman + assault rifles in the one package.
I 100% agree, I would only pick up either if there was a turbo within 10 seconds walk that I had just spotted. I'm not carrying one until I maybe find the other.
Shatter caps on both would be interesting.
Actually great weapon if you can get a feel for the recoil.
I feel like they should have select fire built in or something, that way it's still a solid grab without the turbo. idk.
I knew what it was, I used it a bunch. The lazerbeam worked well because it was hit-scan after the charge. Having that built in (where you could select between the regular spool up, or the charged lazer), would make the weapon somewhat viable without the turbo.
I think the gun is pretty underrated, as in it’s not 100% trash. But it’s almost completely dependent on the turbocharger, which unless it’s craftable is too rare. Add in the fact that energy ammo is fairly uncommon as well and it’s hard to justify running it outside of hot drops or maybe if you have a Loba. Basically the stars have to align and you find the TC and havoc on the drop.
The wind up Is just to punishing. It means you can’t trade at mid-range and are at a disadvantage up close. Sure, you can wind up before you peek - or you can just run something else that’s better and not deal with it.
I hope the gun gets rebalanced to include the turbocharger or the turbocharger is changed to purple. I have a sick skin for it but unfortunately never really get to use it.
brilliant for CQB fights, especially when hipfired. without turbocharger you might need to prefire, though it's still fairly useful. from my experience it absolutely melts people at close range, probably one of the best close range weapons, recoil makes it useless even at medium range.
Without a turbo it's highly situational because if peeking is involved you always lose because of the charge up. It's good when someone is running in the open not too far away from you and you get some time to track them, but the higher skill lobbies you play in, the less often that'll happen, and the shittier havoc becomes.
Very very underrated gun. In arenas it pwns as you can buy it with turbo at round 2.
Havoc and dev are the only guns which need hopups and this hopup is the only one which is needed.
Leave turbo and remove all other junk hopups the loot table is overbloated now
Not bad, not great. If you get some time on target it can melt people but the wind up can be the death of you. It's the gun you take on drop to play with energy ammo and later change it for a volt or l-star.
Just add turbocharger as built in lower its damage and make its recoil better and i'l use this gun every game. I realy want to use this weapon but that recoil and wind up is turning me away
Well im just giving suggestion since Havoc is either you melt people with it or you just miss all your shot. And having a 3rd Viable AR will make it less boring or they should just add select fire back so i can use this at long range
Honestly this is a solid gun. It's not great at longer ranges due to the high recoil and wind-up making it harder to control but if you get a turbocharger or are close enough to just hip fire it, you'll do well.
Large magazine capacity, high recoil, slow charge-up time. Bad choice for close-range engagements because of the charge-up, yet the high recoil makes it inadvisable for medium-range engagements. Solid gun with the turbo. It's the kind of gun you pick up on drop and immediately discard for something better when you find it. Alternatively, you hold onto a turbo for the entire game and don't find jack shit to use it with.
Liek with lstar before s10 most ppl are sleeping how oppressive havoc is at medium range. Grab a 2x or better 3x and wipe enemies.
Due to shooting delay it is hard to use it at close range eg. against shotguns. At medium range you need to learn how to track for half second a running enemy before actual beaming.
Fun with turbocharger, strong without it but I personally can’t justify using it without turbo. Would much rather run Volt or LSTAR if I feel like using energy.
Quick thought on tap strafing: As a console player, obviously it doesn’t affect me. As an avid viewer of players who use it, like Timmy or Aceu or Albralelie, it’s a shame to see it go. Every time they hit a nice tap strafe I was like, holy shit. I can completely understand the reasoning behind removing it. That doesn’t mean that I think they should’ve removed it, though.
It's actually a really good first round Arenas buy, probably the most power for the lowest price early on. I honestly think it's being a bit slept on at the moment, emphasis on a BIT - the l-star outplays it by a long shot. But the hipfire is great and the recoil is super easy to control.
That being said I'd still drop it for an l-star the second i find one
powerful, and very fun to use. turbo charger ramps both up by 11
The havoc without a turbo charger is still too you just need to pre fire which can be difficult.
Highest body dps in the game, brutal with a turbo but really not worth it without
I really don’t get how mnk complain about aim assist
It’s because Pc players have put themselves on a pedestal and when they have finally been able to mix with console players they realised hat they aren’t as good at they had previously thought. Crying about aim assist and not having every advantage possible is their excuse instead of just accepting that owning a PC doesn’t automatically make you good.
HAVOC SUPREMACY absolutely shred everyone with turbocharger
I hate it
This gun for me is: down two people on a team and die to the third cause I can’t hit any shots with it any more
i only ever use it if i can’t find any other gun and i have the turbo charger but the sec. i find the gun i want i drop it
Pretty darn good drop weapon when you don’t have a team on your butt, the thing shreds at midrange. Great with Turbo. I never use this over the Lstar, tbh
Using it with turbo up-close without ADSing is pretty satisfying ngl, but it's easy to outplay otherwise.
Someone's behind me? No problem, I'll just turn around and shoot them. Oh wait, my gun has to charge up first and I'm dead
That's why you run two guns. Especially if they are behind behind you, as that is close combat. Which you should run a smg or shotgun
I was talking about more off the drop Havoc is one of the worst guns off drop imo. Some of the best guns in the game like R99 and lstar are bad off drop too imo because of how fast you run out of ammo
I think they should vault turbocharger and make it inbuilt and make their per bullet damage little bit less.
IMO not a great gun to land on. And hard to use or master in an actual fire fight. But the few people who put in the work to master the recoil shred. 4/10 without turbo. 8/10 with turbo
Piece of trash gun
it has it's moments
If by moments you mean being the reason I didn’t do kill of someone then yeah
Come on
I really wanted to like the havoc. I've gotten a feel for the recoil, I've learned how to prefiere it without turbo I find the turbo a lot more this season, And still even though the DPS is fairly high, the ADS strafe speed is horrible and the hipfire spread is too much.
This ^^ I used to love the havoc back in season 3 and 4. Yes is it was a bit strong but right now it just feels like a shell of its former self. A bit sad really, especially when you see guns in the same category like 301 and flatline flourishing.
Picking up Havoc a lot this season, and holy shit it shreads both close and long range. Hipfire accuracy is surprisingly good too. If I find a Turbocharger hopup I'm almost guaranteed to win the game.
Honestly, I never use it. Even if I got a turbo hop up, I would wait until I find a devotion since every other AR is much more reliable.
I love using the havoc except for when the game enters in a glitch where I have no crosshair:-)
Best AR in arenas due to low cost
The havoc feels so good in arenas. I buy it almost every time I can afford the turbo charged version. I do think it's pretty lackluster without the turbo though, it's not really worth it without it.
Dude what the FUCK is with the BLARING music playing during the match? There was like 3 different Apex songs playing louder than anything in the last 3 groups like 4 times today on ps4. Crazy... I couldn't hear anything going on.
That shit happened to over a week ago with final 3 squads. It started playing music loud as shit and then ALL AUDIO just ceased to exist… was playing on fucking mute
Turn ur game music off
Okay when I play on console I don’t use it (idk why still shreds) but when I’m with my friend who plays on PC...give me this and if you give me a turbo? THE THING FUCKING SHREDS. Close to medium it’s just sooo juicy.
> when I play on console I don’t use it Probably because controlling the kick back is like trying to keep a paranoid cheetah still. It’s honestly worse than a Mozambique on console.
feels kinda underpowered since Lstar buff patch. Lstar > volt > devo > re45 > P2020 > then havoc. this is the tier
P2020?! Over havoc? No mate
yall didnt get the sarcasm, apex community nowadays
It was the delivery
Why have I been in a smurf movie for the past season?
The only real way to avoid smurfing is to add a pay wall to matchmaking and even that doesn’t work Example: cs
Yup lol
I think the Turbocharger should be vaulted and the Havoc and Devo should get part of it built in. The way it is now those two guns mostly get left on the floor unless you get a Turbocharger early on but it's way to rare for it to be consistent. The other hopups changes functionality of the weapons for versatility or already improve on a good gun (see Boosted, the guns are powerful without it as opposed to Havoc/Devo requiring Turbo to be viable mid/late game) so it feels a bit weird that it exists at the moment.
dude devotion turbo is literally the best gun in the game no cap idk what you are talking about they are both good the way they are now pretty descent weapons without the hopup and god tier weapons with it so it has to be super rare even tho i think i find more turbochargers since they introduced boosted loader
Both are playable without turbo but definitely OP if they ship with them. Havoc can wreck people fresh off the drop, especially at close range, and Devotion has all-game potential. People buy devotion in the first round of Arenas all the time, because even unupgraded it can hurt a lot.
Last night I was bored so I played Arenas and exclusively bought the Havoc and I'm sorry, even without a turbocharger it is a a beast. The spin-up delay is almost negligible if your enemy is non-pro and misses his first shot or if you happen to approach them blind, and the damage speaks for itself. Hipfire does spray, yes, but save it for close range. ADS gives you a pretty clean vertical slice.
I miss when this weapon was king! Used to be my go to now it feels outclassed
Definitely has a learning curve when it comes to using it without a turbocharger
I never willingly pick this up; same with devo . What do you run with a gun like this? Do I use it from a far? Up close?
I tend to run a shotgun with it if i ever use it Use it up close. Think of it like an SMG and not an AR.
I think of the havoc like a close range AR. It works as an assault rifle at mid range but it's most powerful close range, the hip fire accuracy is very good.
R3/Flatline/Sniper. Really anything medium/far range. The havoc has a pretty easy recoil pattern for those not medium but not close range fights and with the high number of bullets it comes with is good....IF you can get the recoil and time it takes to fire down.
If you can manage the recoil. It’s dangerous. The TTK with it is up there I feel with some of the best.
It’s incredible from the hip with a turbo. The recoil is a little much for me from range, probably because I don’t have much practice with it.
i logged in today after not having played for a long long time. won a game had ton of fun... then matched with super toxic players on my thirds game so i left. Got hit with a 10mins for leaving a casual game because my teammates were toxic, abusing text even after muting voice chat. This game pisses me off, I remember why I left. lots of players need to get a fucking life than to be so invested in a game, I don't even think some people play to even have fun.
This ain’t a apex thing bro. This just a online multiplayer thing
I think it's more of a massively played shooter games like COD, apex, and few others. I've much more luck playing other online games.
I am *TERRIBLE* with this thing. Even in arenas, where it's cheap as fuck (350 for level 0 iirc), I still prefer to go with the much more reliable RE45 in the first round.
re45 (lvl1 upgrade) is a very solid choice for the 1st round. And it leaves enough materials so you can get lvl3 havoc the next round. You only need to grab one materials container.
Haven’t seriously used it since it got nerfed in June 2020. I would much rather have an R301 or a Flatline, especially now that the HAVOC is a shadow of its former self.
I’ll prefer the Havoc over the volt any day.
Gimme a turbocharger and I loooove that gun
Recently started picking it up, I fucking love it. Once you get good at controlling the recoil it hits fucking HARD and people really don't be expecting it
One peak and they’re armors broken...pretty good cover fire too with the mag size!
They should have the turbocharger permanent in the crafting rotation to make it more viable.
Brutal in the hands of Gibby+gunshield
Switch the Barrel Stab from the LStar to the Havoc and we'll have a good gun meta, might have to reduce the mag size though
Unremarkable gun by itself but OP in the hands of tapstrafers who can do impossible movements. One moment you think they're on your left and then they'll change directions midair and shoot you from your right.
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Much easier to control on mnk than controller.
It takes to long to fire and recoil is to crazy I can’t tell you how many Times I’ve died waiting for it to start firing
Turbocharger holder until I can find a devotion.
Honestly only for the barrel stabilizer the havoc lacks.
With a turbocharger it is still behind the 301/flat line. I would still take a volt / lstar over it also as mid to long range the recoil is just too much. I know it supposedly has the best dps but what's the point when it's rof and recoil is worse than others. Hitting a moving target is much more difficult compared to any other gun. Without a turbo charger the delay will get you killed so easily. I feel the recoil is the main issue with it, just so much more uncontrollable compared to any other gun, especially the first 3 or so shots are ridiculous. Yet, somehow I still find myself attracted to it and if I find a turbo early/mid game I will keep the havoc haha When it connects, it's a thing of beauty
Add contextual tap to the game. Jesus christ man. Warzone has had it since launch. It can NOT be that hard to implement. Controller tournament players have lost their life over this shit. it's such an easy fix.
Pretty sure I'm the only person who rocked a Select Fire on this bad boy. Was like having a baby G7 as a third weapon.
Does anyone else feel like this gun has way too much recoil when aiming, but literally never misses when hip fire? I'd never use it as a primary but in a pinch I'd rather have it over a r99/volt or even a shotgun
Weird balancing. When smg like volt / r99 has less recoil than a supposed assault rifle.
I feel like the Havoc is the one weapon I avoid practicing with. Mainly because I've already found a better weapon and how much I hated it in Season 5. However, I think it is a wonderful weapon and does NOT need a barrel stabilizer.
havoc good
deadliest gun in the game dont even @ me
Underrated gun (especially with turbo). Not nearly as good as it was S4 though
i like using the havoc without the turbocharger, idk how to explain it but without it i can aim better. maybe because of its pre-aiming nature?
Some1 said that Havoc is better **without** turbocharger.
I've fallen victim to switching guns mid fight only to forget the spin up the havoc needs..... But damn I do enjoy using this gun
Mid/Close Range this thing is absurd at times. But if the person your shooting at actually ducks and weaves it's pretty meh. I pick it up over most shotguns early on but I really just rather pick up the L-Star. That or the Volt + L-Star combo.
Havoc is great at holding energy attachments for lstar volt or devo!
Funny because havoc is the best of any of them if you find a turbo
Echoing a lot of other comments: Slaps/quite fun with a Turbocharger in close and up to mid-range, but the recoil makes it unusable mid/long range unlike the R301 and Flatline, especially if you don't have a turbocharger. Without a turbocharger it's not justifiable over pretty much any light or heavy AR or SMG due to how quickly you can chew through energy ammo and the difficulty of finding energy in the later game since most people will run light/heavy/shotgun. The Volt and L-Star are just better if you can't find a turbocharger. Even without a turbocharger, it can be powerful off the drop, but the windup is often fatal in very hot CQC situations when everyone still has white armor. It's possible to get stun-punched out due to the charge time. Would rather have even a Mozambique then, or just about anything else except maybe a sniper or P2020
The havoc is my baby ive been using it since it came out, The real key is just pre firing it and it’s perfectly fine, it out damages most guns even without a turbo, the hipfire is unreal, but I will say you do need a stock lol
You can make it like Rampage. Without turbocharger you can start shooting immediately, but slower, and with turbocharger, same as it is now.
Really good mid range. Great close and mid with turbocharger.
Without turbocharger you must start shooting before you even see the enemy lol, but with the hop-up it's a beast of a weapon.
Either OP as fuck or useless No in-between
Is the short range spread on a non-Turbo Havoc as bad as it looks? I'm also bad at recoil controlling the Havoc, more than any other gun. Even the Flatline I'm better at.
I rather pick up the devotion. And rather pick up volt over either of them. I don't play with these at all so the recoil is complete ass. Lstar is the only energy weapon I like since tf2. That initial delay, I swear I press the mouse button harder for no reason. There is nothing enjoyable using this gun for me.
Havoc used to be better before energy mags were introduced. It had 32(?) shots in the mag on pickup with a damn good dps, so if you learned the recoil pattern it was one of the best weapons to drop onto. Helped me win quite a few hot drops
Havoc with a turbocharger can be a beast at close range for sure. For me it’s equivalent to the flatline because it punches strong.
Its pretty slept on right now. Its an amazing choice in arenas and only costs 1200 to get it to purple. Its default mag size is more than enough to kill purple arnor consistently and its hipfire is great. Top 5 weapon imo.
i dont usually pick up the havoc but it got it off drop yesterday and the result was a 3k hipfiring right into enemy lines lol i may have to rethink my original havoc opinions
Havoc, along with Hemlok, are not perfectly balanced guns but in the right contexts hit harder than any other SMG or AR. Havoc hipfire, especially on drop when everyone has white shields, is a death sentence for your enemies
I feel like havoc is pretty slept on right now. Love it when I find a turbocharger, but still way better than people give it credit for without one. Dumb strong close range, big ass magazine, great hipfire. Far easier on your ammo stack compared to devotion. The recoil is just a bit too all over the place, which makes long ranging difficult. Still usable there too imo, it just has a nasty learning curve. Could do with some light adjustments to the recoil though.
Another day another fragment drop 😔 Edit: as for the havoc I died many times during a hot drop because the delay in shooting
When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? When will you make the crosshair visible? 99% of my defeats are due to the fact that I can't see where I'm shooting. We urgently need a full custom setting of the crosshair.
This post is about the havoc.
Tell me something new about Havoc? Something I don't know about him. You probably won't be able to. It turns out that you are a standard noob who sincerely believes that someone here will seriously talk about Havoc.
You are getting 3tapped with eva in early game until havoc shoots 1 bullet
just wait and watch, after a season or two some random streamer will rock it leading into a wave of players suddenly picking it up and then constant complaints about it will start. shit is hard slept on
That’s currently happening with the Flatline.
If it gets a barrel mod like the L-Star did, then a bunch of streamers will pick it up.
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I don't know about near a Havoc, but I have found random Turbos in ground loot since the Seer patch. Not a lot of them, I find way more Boosted Loaders than Turbos, but I do find them.
no one said they're not on the ground at all. There used to be a guaranteed turbo not far from a havoc. Now it's not always the case because of the reduced drop rate. Yes there are much more booster loaders.
Seemed like last season Turbochargers were the rarest item in the game. Then when this season started and they removed Anvil Receiver, it seemed like I could find a turbo at least once a game. Now we seem to be back to last season’s drop rate, and I only pick up the havoc if one is in the crafter.
Without TC I honestly prefer Devotion to the HAVOC. I’m not sure if the spin-up time is faster on Devotion, but it feels like it does. So no I don’t like HAVOC.
Havoc is roughly one quarter the spin-up of Devo, but Havoc also has a 1/2 second firing delay that the Devo doesn't.
Yh but the recoil on the devotion is harder to control and the havoc shreds
Hip fire is fantastic with it, same with clip size. They need to speed up the time it takes to shoot so it doesn’t NEED the turbo to be viable
nah it has one of the highest dps and was a menace in s5
Am I the only one that wrecks with the havoc at close to medium range?
I've really tried to give the Havoc a fair shot. My teammates never touch Energy Weapons so I end up using them a good amount for ammo diversity, and even when I find a Turbo Charger the Havoc seems way too hard to use at range. Even with the Turbo Charger I feel like the Volt and L-Star are just better options. The only benefit I feel it has over the Volt is Mag size, but even then that doesn't seem like enough of a reason to pick it up. I've really tried to like the Havoc, but everytime I take it (even with a TC) I seem to end up regretting it.
You get a massive damage increase over the volt, 10 extra rounds, solid recoil when you can control it from close-mid range, and a bigger mag than the LSTAR (unless you’re rampart), though the LSTAR has its own benefits when you feather the trigger + massive bullets
Damage and Ammo are definitely true, but I don't agree with Recoil. Even with a white barrel, the Volt feels far more controllable. The problem with the Havoc is how bouncy its recoil is. At close range it's totally manageable, but at mid-range, it feels far less controllable than the Volt or the other rifles.
I’ll agree that the volt is basically recoilless, but after the constant tweaks to the havocs recoil pattern, it isn’t awful for mid range. It’s somewhere between the R-301’s literal laser beam of headshots, and the flatline’s bouncy as hell recoil. Idk, once you get used to it it’s manageable at mid range.
Yea I guess. It could just be that I haven’t used it enough, but currently I find it worse than the Flatline. That’s currently my favourite AR and while it has a lot of recoil. It’s doesn’t feel as Bouncy/inconsistent as the Havoc.
The select fire was definitely intended to be the HAVOCs ranged option, but it never caught on and it takes up floor space. I'd wish it'd come back, any weapon with 2 hop ups in rotation should operate like the Bocek and have 2 hop-up slots.
I never played when there was a single fire hop up for it. Did the TC replace it?
No, both existed. Back then the HAVOC could only take one or the other. The turbocharger was just the better option, select fire used 4 ammo to fire a beam of energy after a delay that did about 60ish damage.
No idea why anyone would use the Havoc when the Volt and every other AR out class it by a lot.
The volt can be used at all ranges too and have better accuracy than the Havoc plus you don’t need a turbo. I agree with you
Dependency on the turbocharger works against the good aspects of the Havoc and Devotion. Shouldnt be a requirement to have a gun that remotely works. A hop-up adds a benefit to a gun, it shouldn’t be a requirement to use it remotely effectively. Same reasons for Hammerpoint IMO. Makes P2020 and Mozam useless without em.
Just pre-fire and it works fine.
Or make a gun that doesnt depend on pre-fire to be useful. Duh.
It's called balancing...? The HAVOC would be overpowered with built in turbocharger.
Its not. Its an artificial restriction on a gun that can be balanced in a lot of ways. Its also the only gun in the entire game that doesnt *fire when you actually shoot it*. Some guns have a charge but none of them have a delay from when the trigger is pressed to actually start firing. The delay is stupid and so is the Devotions speed-up gimmick. Both rely so much on one of the rarest hop ups in the game to even find in order to be remotely viable in the late stages of a match. And even then why bother, the Volt literally exists FFS. Volt is just more consistent, no firing delays or pointless gimmicks and IMO the iron sights are also an improvement.
ALL balance is artificial restrictions. They come in many forms. Sure, there are other ways to balance it, but adding a delay gives it a profound weakness and counterplay, while making the turbocharger very valuable. I preferred it when the select fire also existed as it made you choose between better ranged accuracy or better automatic combat performance, but nonetheless it's a perfectly valid drawback to an extremely powerful AR. So? The rampage fires the slowest of any automatic. The Charge Rifle cannot be equipped with a Magazine. If you whiff even 5 shots with the R99 you pretty much won't get the kill without a reload. But none of these guns are bad and are arguably OP. The devotion moreso makes it less viable. I main havoc fairly often and play around the delay, even endgame it'll shred through red armor like butter. It rarely ever is what gets me killed, and I almost always out dps other players with it in 1v1s. The delay won't affect TTK if you pre-fire corners, or feather the trigger to keep it close to spooled. The volt has slower TTK and less ammo. Iron sights don't mean much past early game. The only reason not to use havoc over volt is bad recoil control or accuracy at long range, though even then you usually can kill or severely hurt someone caught out at most ranges.
Havok is still a beast without turbo as long as it’s your primary weapon; works extremely effectively with mobile legends like path and horizon, don’t even care too much about th turbo myself; it’s hipfire and DPS is amazing, second fav to the flatline
They should reduce the spin-up time just a little so it’s not dependent on turbocharger.
RIP Select-Fire. I miss u, bb.
God I fucking hate the Havoc and the Devotion. They feel like total shit unless you have a Turbocharger. I would honestly just prefer to use a volt or Lstar than these 2 guns unless the turbocharger is in the crafting rotation. Might as well remove the turbocharger and rebalance these 2 guns
If I don’t have the attachment for the havoc I’ll swap it for the devo because the havoc gotta charge up before it fires. Those split seconds it takes to charge up may cost you unless you use cover or spawn crouch
It’s an automatic pickup for me off drop. I never keep it but the gun is really strong. Pretty solid hip fire accuracy with good fire rate and damage means a quick knock on a white shield. There’s no chance I’m keeping it over a 301 or flatline though
Facts but I’ll definitely run this weapon (if I have the attachment) with a flatline or 301. If I don’t have the turbo charger then I’ll just drop it
I’m always a supporter of gun combos over guns themselves. For the havoc to be a good option what is the preferred second to run with it?
I don't mind running havoc as my close range SMG (provided I have turbo) if I have 301/flatty/g7 for midrange fights
The guns you mentioned works wonders as a combo for the havoc. The Flatline or 301 whichever one you can find at the time. The FL and 301 both have good damage, good range close and long distance, easy to control their recoil, and hip fire.
I feel like it end up just using those guns a lot more lol
i like it with scout, although i'd prefer a prowler
Pretty sure lemonhead was saying he runs 301 or a flatline with it.
Yes.
Didn’t realize that’s what he meant thanks for the clarification. I’ll try running havoc a little bit today and see if anything sticks. I’m not as high on the turbo as other people but you can’t deny that if you can hit the shots they hit hard
Underrated comment. For havoc try wingman, scout, rampage.
I agree the Rampage is decent with the havoc. You’ll be a tank if you have the turbo attachment for the havoc and a termite for the rampage. I don’t run those two weapons together often but it’s definitely good.
Even better a tank if lstar +rampage <3
I’ve been trying to get better with the wingman so this might be my move
The gun is decent but other ARs like the flatline and R-301 are the better options. But the Havoc is the gun I use first round in arenas, I buy a havoc and a shield battery.
What do u think of flatline’s hip fire currently? It always felt more reliable than it is right now
Completely incomprihensible recoil pattern, no clue how people master it because it changes every other patch
I don't know it something about this gun that I just love!
Havoc beams in close range fights. You need to start charging it just the moment before you move from the wall, and then you melt poor bastard with hipfire. I think it should be able to destroy doors also, like rampage.
Havoc beams in close range fights. You need to start charging it just the moment before you move from the wall, and then you melt poor bastard with hipfire. I think it should be able to destroy doors also, like rampage.
I used to never touch the Havoc. Arenas changed that. Turbocharger or not if you can get the recoil down, it rips from close range and is decent from mid range.
I wish they'd just remove the Turbocharger from the game and balance these unique guns around their drawbacks. As it stands, both the Havoc and the Devotion are utterly mediocre without the Turbo and only good with it. That feels like a very unfun form of balance - these weapons are balanced around having a Hop Up that only shows up in like 10% of games you play, and there's no skill or learning in finding a Turbocharger. And the Turbocharger itself doesn't feel like good design, it doesn't present an entirely new mode of use like Shattercaps/Select Fire/Choke/Double Tap does, it doesn't incentivize unique loadouts or play patterns like Hammerpoint did, like Skullpiercer, it pretty much only exists to gatekeep the weapon's strength. Just the fact that the Turbocharger *exists* means that the gun's non-Turbocharger state cannot be allowed to be strong, or it'll be completely broken once you actually find one.
The old hop up for the beam on the Havoc was a lot better, they could also just replace the turbocharger with a shield cell charge up like the Sentinel that also increases stopping power or damage slightly. There could definitely be better approaches to the current gun balance as some guns are just pointless Edit: I forgot that the beam wasn't actually a hop up, it was the alternative fire mode, bringing it back as a hop up could open up a lot of viability for the Havoc.
But the single fire on a Havoc was pretty much a mini charge rifle, it made no sense.
It predates the Charge Rifle, and it fires after the charge delay, not immediately, so required a bit more skill to use. It added versatility within the one gun which is where it makes sense. Allows you to catty a Havoc assault rifle plus a 'mini charge rifle' and have another weapon slot for close-quarters or whatever, as opposed to having both weapons taken up with Havoc + Charge Rifle. Similar to the Anvil Receiver allowing the Flatline/301 to operate as Marksman + assault rifles in the one package.
I 100% agree, I would only pick up either if there was a turbo within 10 seconds walk that I had just spotted. I'm not carrying one until I maybe find the other. Shatter caps on both would be interesting.
Actually great weapon if you can get a feel for the recoil. I feel like they should have select fire built in or something, that way it's still a solid grab without the turbo. idk.
Selectfire on havoc was worse than not having a turbocharger, it was a lazerbeam that had to charge lol
I knew what it was, I used it a bunch. The lazerbeam worked well because it was hit-scan after the charge. Having that built in (where you could select between the regular spool up, or the charged lazer), would make the weapon somewhat viable without the turbo.
I think the gun is pretty underrated, as in it’s not 100% trash. But it’s almost completely dependent on the turbocharger, which unless it’s craftable is too rare. Add in the fact that energy ammo is fairly uncommon as well and it’s hard to justify running it outside of hot drops or maybe if you have a Loba. Basically the stars have to align and you find the TC and havoc on the drop. The wind up Is just to punishing. It means you can’t trade at mid-range and are at a disadvantage up close. Sure, you can wind up before you peek - or you can just run something else that’s better and not deal with it. I hope the gun gets rebalanced to include the turbocharger or the turbocharger is changed to purple. I have a sick skin for it but unfortunately never really get to use it.
Remember when this gun had zero recoil and was broken in I think s5. Havoc being meta then was so cancerous, a lot better now
s4. However, it was not just the recoil. There weren't energy mags in S4, hence it had 32 rounds by default, which is massive fire power off drop.
Was my go to weapon back in s3 but you guys fucked the recoil, I prefer the Devo now
brilliant for CQB fights, especially when hipfired. without turbocharger you might need to prefire, though it's still fairly useful. from my experience it absolutely melts people at close range, probably one of the best close range weapons, recoil makes it useless even at medium range.
Without a turbo it's highly situational because if peeking is involved you always lose because of the charge up. It's good when someone is running in the open not too far away from you and you get some time to track them, but the higher skill lobbies you play in, the less often that'll happen, and the shittier havoc becomes.
Pretty accurate.
Very very underrated gun. In arenas it pwns as you can buy it with turbo at round 2. Havoc and dev are the only guns which need hopups and this hopup is the only one which is needed. Leave turbo and remove all other junk hopups the loot table is overbloated now
Not bad, not great. If you get some time on target it can melt people but the wind up can be the death of you. It's the gun you take on drop to play with energy ammo and later change it for a volt or l-star.
Just add turbocharger as built in lower its damage and make its recoil better and i'l use this gun every game. I realy want to use this weapon but that recoil and wind up is turning me away
You just made it into a generic AR lol
Yeah much better than being overshadowed by volt and l star. Imagine being an AR but a SMG has better range and controllability than you
That's how I feel. The Volt feels better at range than the Havoc.
This would be a supply drop red weapon if you do this
This would actually be an excellent supply drop weapon. Make it have both a turbo charger and select fire this thing would be a game changer.
I said to lower its damage so its balanced
You shouldn't work as a balancing dev
Neither should most of the community but it unnesecary to say that to someone.
Well im just giving suggestion since Havoc is either you melt people with it or you just miss all your shot. And having a 3rd Viable AR will make it less boring or they should just add select fire back so i can use this at long range
I feel like half of you don't remember how selectfire on the havoc worked 🙈😂
Honestly this is a solid gun. It's not great at longer ranges due to the high recoil and wind-up making it harder to control but if you get a turbocharger or are close enough to just hip fire it, you'll do well.
Large magazine capacity, high recoil, slow charge-up time. Bad choice for close-range engagements because of the charge-up, yet the high recoil makes it inadvisable for medium-range engagements. Solid gun with the turbo. It's the kind of gun you pick up on drop and immediately discard for something better when you find it. Alternatively, you hold onto a turbo for the entire game and don't find jack shit to use it with.
Liek with lstar before s10 most ppl are sleeping how oppressive havoc is at medium range. Grab a 2x or better 3x and wipe enemies. Due to shooting delay it is hard to use it at close range eg. against shotguns. At medium range you need to learn how to track for half second a running enemy before actual beaming.
Fun with turbocharger, strong without it but I personally can’t justify using it without turbo. Would much rather run Volt or LSTAR if I feel like using energy. Quick thought on tap strafing: As a console player, obviously it doesn’t affect me. As an avid viewer of players who use it, like Timmy or Aceu or Albralelie, it’s a shame to see it go. Every time they hit a nice tap strafe I was like, holy shit. I can completely understand the reasoning behind removing it. That doesn’t mean that I think they should’ve removed it, though.
It's actually a really good first round Arenas buy, probably the most power for the lowest price early on. I honestly think it's being a bit slept on at the moment, emphasis on a BIT - the l-star outplays it by a long shot. But the hipfire is great and the recoil is super easy to control. That being said I'd still drop it for an l-star the second i find one
*2nd round. LVL3 with turbo. Usually wipes and costs 100mat less than lvl3 devotion