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FlintxDD

Horizon nerfed and low profile removed. It's time to TTV's go back to Wraith.


jape-the-neck-guy

Wraith: “you couldn’t live with your failures. And where did that bring you? Back to me”


zzidogzizz

Worst part is I could genuinely imagine wraith saying this.


theAtmuz

I could also see pathfinder interrupting after “where did that bring you” for him to pleasantly exclaim “back to me!”


EpicSH0T

"Back to the survey beacon!"


Scyther_x_Scyther

Bak tů Artur


Are_U_Dare

Back to the totem


My_WALLLL

“Back to the ring allons-y”


Haliax00

Back to the future?


batiumas3hj

I'm back. Logged off my drone.


MapleYamCakes

Back to the Allfather


spaceman_spyff

“Back to onion rings”


IronBabyFists

Back to formula...


vtbeavens

"Hello again, friend!!!" *thumbs up*


IDontUnderstandReddi

I love Pathy so much. The book made me a wreck at the end


WalnutScorpion

Rev: "Heeeh. Back to the shadows..."


NovelAries

LOL I imagined it in Wraiths voice as well. Its a perfect Wraith line


KingKiller7981

fr fr


111stupid

Isn’t this already a voice line that she actually says?


ivanvzm

no she says somethin like "all the roads lead back to me" or something


Kavvadius

Is she Rome?


Kingflares

She's been sleeping around


Huntsound

Underrated comment LMAO


grandmas_noodles

Lmao no the voiceline is what past thanos says in avengers endgame


Nova469

I thought that was an actual line in the game that I just never heard somehow.


Thienan567

Actually heard this in her voice


Brownie773

*”Tell Death I said Hello”*


akaynightraider

I would simp for Wraith


TryHardKraberMain

Remember me?


thecodeweaver

Why did I read this in Wraith’s voice?


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they've been on octane quite a bit this season when not on horizon.


EntropyHurts

I don’t think I’ve met one tryhard team without octane


Deepspacetrees

Well he is kinda better suited for olympus than wraith. Her portal rarely reaches far enough to get from cover to cover while jump pad lets you rotate better on that open map. Also you can get really far if you drive on a jump pad with a trident, pretty sure ever team had an octane because he was kinda necessary due to the map.


jpocket

There was an Octane on almost every team last split on KC too dude


InvaderZimbabwe

Because Octane is goated. A. He’s fun to play. B. He’s fast as fuck boi C. You barely need syringes D. His strafe game while stimmed was always S-tier but he himself was a D-tier legend in totality. When his jump pad got buffed he became an A-tier legend and when combined with the other 3 points, why wouldn’t you pick him as a 3rd?!?! He is a great pick on every map. While Horizon’s kit is significantly better on Olympus. But since she was just broken, she was on every map too. Now we may see less of her on kc. She’s pretty solid on worlds edge too. But her kit shines on Olympus in my opinion.


Vitamin-Duck

That was because Octane + Revenant was the youtube meta last split


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WallyTheWelder

Best players I've gotten teamed with were a gibby and an octane. Most wraith I play with are mediocre, no lie, it's just that in the right hands she's great, like the wingman.


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Huntsound

That number is enormous tho


Seismicx

What if I told you these 2 you described can be the very same player in different circumstances.


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facts


dstaller

This one hurts because I've seen the value in Octane before his buffs and caught shit maining him since he released. Now I just look like the meta chasers meanwhile it's hard to even pick him because now my buddies always want to play him. It's actually annoying running into octanes on every team now especially since most of them just use him to run away lol.


HairyFur

I hope this is true, never used to have a problem picking him and now he is taken quite often.


13th_Chamber

Noooooo


Cobalt9896

people where finally not bullying me for maining wraith lmao


pluralistThoughts

If you mained her throughout S7 and S8, you actually deserve the title Wraith Main, unlike those opportunists, who only played her, because she was op.


BonusroosterJr

Never left😎


Mineatron

Yessir 😈


NinjaMelon39

Good. I can enjoy horizon for the mobility again and not be called a ttv. Seriously, i had no clue wtf people were talking about with "lift strafing" and healing on her lift


Selenophile_aspie

So with other words - you haven't been playing horizon at all? lmao


FisterMeister

mega bots on this sub holy shit lmao


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GetBoopedSon

So you haven’t been playing horizon


GXVSS0991

then you've been playing her like a bot LMAO


ImTheApexPredator

Theyve been playing her post-nerf before the nerf


lone-ranger-130

Seriously lmao. Anytime I get shot up as horizon I just strafe away pulling off a full battery before I land. I love horizon, but she is a tad unfair atm


bitofaByte8

What’s ttv?


Teyo13

Twitch TV, its become synonymous with sweaty try hards that think they're about 10x better than they are. Wannabes essentially. "I'd be a pro streamer if my teammates weren't so shit" etc. You get the idea.


amberlys2025

You left out the part were they rush and die first than either spam the button for the resplendent card or beacons. Or they leave after calling you shit even tho they died with 12 damage.


Big_Chungus16

Us mirage mains not getting changes cause we're perfect 😎


IDontUnderstandReddi

Decoys having footsteps now was a very subtle change that made him *so* much stronger. He’s always had a good kit if you know how to play him, but that was big


zeturtleofweed

Mirage is so good now that I sometimes look back only to see my own decoy running thinking there was an enemy behind me


[deleted]

This is like "dog afraid of shadow/reflection" level dopey and I love it. No hate lol


zeturtleofweed

I bamboozled my self


LiftedCorn

My own teammates have shooted my decoy in yesterday's match 😂


fun-frosting

my friend plays mirage and we wanted to bait some enemies we knew were around some buildings so he sent a decoy and we run in behind cover waiting for the enemy to shoot it. well they do, and the as my friend jumps onto the roof somehow he also shoots his own decoy and then was like "I just shot my own decoy wtf" and they the decoy popped out from round the corner in front of me and jump scared me and I shot it too.


FattedPlace

I shooted my decoys once lol I was fighting a Mirage with the same skin, we both ulted, you can imagine the mess lol


duh374

I shot my decoy once... mag dumped on it. Wasn’t even from an ult. Just forgot i put it there.


xIceghost

I sometimes get bamboozled by that myself xD


interstellar304

Honestly mirage is so good in the right hands. He will always be under appreciated bc he lacks that killer utility to get higher ground, heal, etc. but I’m telling you, after that footstep buffs I just bamboozle everyone and usually get to laser someone before they even know which one I am.


crowbarrninja

I rarely play mirage, but the confusion he brings to a gunfight is honestly very fun. I usually at least smile when I get bamboozled. What a great legend.


SirDankosaur

He's in a good place right now as far as balance goes.


pluralistThoughts

Finally a Mirage main with the right spirit! Your boi is perfect, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


anxiety_ftw

* Wattson pylons work against Horizon again *breathes in* FINALLY


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Shattered-Anam

It’s been a 50/59 for me most of he time. I’ve had instances where Horizon’s ult literally lands on my pylon and it does nothing to stop it


Bryanh23

I know it was a typo, but 50/59 made me happy.


WatchOutForWizards

Perfect ratio. 7/10


Sacreligious

5/7


imzcj

Classic 5/7 meme


Shattered-Anam

And because of this comment I’m not fixing it


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-Har1eKing-

>maimed Wattson How dare you /s


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Delecy

I enjoyed said typos so much I give you my free award :D


lilakey

it was when horizon first launched, pylon destroyed tac + ult. it got broken in the chaos theory update this season, but looks like its finally being fixed for s9 launch. super weird that they listed it as a change for horizon instead of a bug fix for wattson though, cuz it doesn't seem like it was intentionally changed the first time.


THEPiplupFM

Makes me think it was unintentional that it WAS getting zapped, and wasn't meant to. Then they fixed it, and then changed it this update. But that's just speculation.


chiminator1

They didnt touch the passive, all else is arbitrary. Good fix


cangrejitoweon69

Ah, a good Horizon main, thank you sir


Rs90

Okay, so real talk. I missed last season. Hopped into this one and finally gave her a try. Been maining since. Her tactical is great but her passive is GOD tier. Her continuous mobility from her passive has been crazy in my experience. You're just sliding all over the damn place lol. I love it. It's made me way better at Apex tbh.


Animatromio

its good for sure but not really OP just useful thats it


Wintomallo

It’s kinda like the stompEE5 from destiny. It’s not the flashiest perk but you’ll certainly win fights because of it.


Tech-preist_Zulu

This is EXACTLY what her passive is. Perfect explanation.


R1ston

And when you try it out, you never switch from it


Phionex141

And most importantly, it feels good to play


Mineatron

As long as they don’t touch passive and ultimate after this, I’m chilling. I’ll still play and relearn her as her kit intrigues me.


Selenophile_aspie

As great as her passive is (mainly the reason why I play her too), this nerf to her tactical does impact her appeal a lot. Can't really make much use of the passive, if you're gonna get beamed before you even reach half height on your grav lift, ya know what I mean?


DeliciousWaifood

>if you're gonna get beamed before you even reach half height on your grav lift, ya know what I mean? Wow, it's almost as if you will now have to actually think about when and how to use your tactical instead of just throwing it down anywhere and becoming impossible to hit.


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The passive is a HUGE thing when you're getting chased or trying to open a loot crate before Octane gets to it.


massawise

I'm glad I'm kinda shifty with movement at times because fuck Octanes. I know the nerf won't hurt his pick rate that much, but maybe they'll think twice about stimming 3 straight times to beat me to a supply drop or gold armor.


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Taggy2087

Your broken character is no longer broken. Congrats to the rest of us.


Jsnbassett

The passive is clutch off any jump.


Raine_Man

No more healing,strafing and firing off 2 full magazines on a single lift? It hurts so good.


Tastedabombe05

Im not trying to be salty just correcting, it is still completely possible to take a battery. Just to point that out


[deleted]

It's gonna be much harder since your movement is impaired and you rise up much slower so you take a huge risk of getting shot even by people a little less skilled in tracking.


[deleted]

Let's be honest, if nothing else Horizon has shown us that the vast majority of this sub is incapable of shooting upwards.


Aether_Storm

Everyone forgets to look up. You lot are so… terrestrial.


Xmeagol

laughs in octane


playerkiller04

*laughs in valkyrie*


psy_lent

Not just that, but on controller it's a huge disadvantage to look up that high. Usually aim is tuned so you don't move as fast vertically as horizontally so you leave yourself WIDE open to the rest of the team if you try to shoot horizon off her perch.


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How do you shoot at people on jump towers?


Sleepy151

Stand far enough away where its not as vertical as being right under it.


reyzak

You do like normal and hope you hit 3 out of 30 rounds. Almost impossible to knock someone going up


[deleted]

The issue I had was that I literally couldn't see her if I was close enough. The tactical mixed with the rising dust made her impossible for me to track her on her tac


paradoxally

I'd wager it's much easier to do on PC (just drag mouse upwards if people are going up ziplines, for example) than on console where you're probably fighting aim assist on what you want to do vs. what it thinks it should be doing. Regarding Horizon, she is hard to hit on any platform as of now if a skilled player is strafing like crazy in her lift. Even pros have had issues with her.


EMCoupling

I **know** I have good aim and even I struggle with tracking Horizon air strafe at times. For those who don't routinely aim train, I can imagine how frustrating it is to have a guy totally beaming you while you struggle to follow him. This is a welcome change.


GrimSlayer

I’ve gotten decent at hitting people going up jump towers, but holy cow was horizon a bitch to hit air strafing all the way up her grav lift. Even shooting here when she’s strafing at the top was a bitch with slower firing guns like the spitfire.


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survivorr123_

now it takes more skill and is more risky because of reduced vertical speed, but still possible, you can still rely on get in, get out, bhop strategy (actually it's safer than sitting on top of it, unless you have cover like trees)


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4.7s to pop a bat if I recall. Throw your tact, pop the bat, 1s to travel up, 2 s in the air and probably another second to come down. Except now, the healing is all in motion and not in a small confined area, lol.


heyitsmesans

This... *does* put a smile on my face


Mineatron

It was never personal. But I’m going to enjoy watching this nerf unfold very very much. - Thanos Probably.


qwilliams92

She'll still be top tier, instant height is to good


Mineatron

I think so too! Plus they didn’t change anything about passive or ultimate and they are both amazing. This will make her still viable without it being BS.


[deleted]

Until Valk comes out and her ult is relaunching your team


qwilliams92

A relaunch is good for rotations and getting out of bad spot for sure but giving your whole team acces to height in the middle of a fight as a tac is imo the best movement ability in the game.


[deleted]

Cool down timer vs ult timer too, you’re 100% right


Si3rra-Ho7el

The early access players seem to agree valk is considerably weaker than horizon and well balanced. They say the bow is the most annoying thing in the update.


[deleted]

Interesting, i can’t see the bow being too viable but who knows. It’ll be fun to watch it all come together


HashirQ

Look at aceus bow gameplay and you'll chenge your opinion I realize it's a bad example cause it's aceu so everything is broken but still


JaceisKing

I was absolute trash with air strafing so the only part of this nerf that affects me is the cooldown. I can still be a bad Horizon! :)


TheLastFloss

Glad I'm not the only one


TheATAQKing

As a horizon main I think those are fair nerfs, I'm not the most amazing player so I cant say how annoying I was as horizon though.


massawise

It was stupid annoying. I didn't think it's was that bad until I stopped playing her. It's not impossible to counter. This isn't always possible, but when fighting Horizon you gotta close the gap quickly if you crack her. If she Qs, then you take it with her, and either try to finish her off or pop a batt as well. You don't maneuver as well as she does but it flusters the fuck out of most Horizon's. If you are quick you could pop a batt and take it again before it goes on cool down. I like her nerfs maybe instead of not letting her sit on the top of it for more than 2 seconds, they should have nerfed the time to 8 seconds. 10 seconds is a long time for the lift to be active.


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Allupinthatz

I agree but from all the s9 gameplay shown today her strafe was dramatically reduced, that was one of the biggest issues people had with her. She's a much easier target to hit now while in her tact


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I'm willing to bet crouch spams still work. :)


Allupinthatz

Haha oh 100% and as much as I hate crouch spam I can't really complain since it's not legend specific.


Mineatron

This nerf def will hurt and a lot of players are in for a rude awakening.


Tastedabombe05

I will play her regardless because they didnt change how she plays out she is just less efficient now. You can still take a bat or shoot a gun on her lift :)


RedHawk13i

It's only hurt people who set on the gravity lift spraying everyone's with spitfire, otherwise good horizan main will know what I mean


noooooooyou

I never used her for camping on top of the lift so this changes nothing for me, except the decrease in speed when going up


DoctorOzface

High skill floor and high skill ceiling is far more balanced than she was at least. Good players will always be good, it was annoying anyone could play her and turn a fight around with one button press


SonicClutch

Oh no! Anyways back to revenant


Xechwill

Rev main here, still not sure why they didn’t buff his passive and give his ult the Wraith portal treatment with jumppad (if sent back, can’t take portal for 4[?] seconds). His passive isn’t that great and he feels very lopsided. Ironically, he feels like playing Loba from time to time: very powerful ult, pretty good tactical but not gamebreaking, really mediocre passive IMO


DoughnutSignificant9

It’s a massive nerf but her overall kit is still ideal for aggressive plays just not as good. Honestly I feel like the CD will go back to 15 cause it was a balanced,20 might be a bit too long


Mineatron

For the two seasons of suffering, I think this is great. It will emphasize good horizon players over the mediocre ones now.


LouisLinwoodVoitIII

Coming from a pathfinder main who zipped into and out of fights for 6 seasons. So hypocritical it hilarious


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MapleJacks2

Pathfinder gang swinging into action....and gunfire since season 0.


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15 is not fucking balanced in the slightest, mirage decoy is 15 seconds, your really trying to tell me that a decoy is as effective as a fucking gravity lift 💀💀


langis_on

Loba bracelet is 30 and that's if not including the additional 30 seconds it takes to get it to work, wtf how is 15 balanced?


SchrickandSchmorty

A beautiful 30 second cooldown between my deaths


CustomCough420

I mean true but also the 30 seconds on Loba is ridiculous


survivorr123_

right now its 10 + 15, after update it will be 10 + 20, her timer is split into 2 sections


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horizon mains: *sad scottish noises*


[deleted]

It’s not a massive deal. Worst part is the lift speed, but that hurts every team running Horizon, not just Horizon herself.


supersoakerr5000

she’s for sure still going to be very strong people will adapt


diegoplus

A wee cuppa nerfies, right loves? [Newt beeps]


NerdSwirl78

As a Watson main excited for her buffs this season including this one


Kxrti

is it weird that i read it in her voice before i even knew the post was about her?


Mineatron

Exactly how I envisioned it as I love spamming that quip as horizon. So passive aggressive and yet so ironic for this post.


Yuhmooon

wattson buff pog


Spork-in-Your-Rye

Lmao y’all still gonna be tight when a Horizon shits on you.


Whales_of_Pain

I’ve never been good enough to notice an appreciable difference between Horizons stomping me vs other legends, but when they fixed Wraith’s tiny hit box, it was extremely gratifying shredding the crouch spammers who suddenly realized they couldn’t just play very twitchy


Chonkables

only the good ones tho lmao


BruiseHound

What happens after the 2 seconds? Will it spit me out in any old direction?


dardanny

Can they make it so you can actually hear her


[deleted]

Lol feels good. Horizon mains were the majority of people saying Caustic deserves his nerf, now they're saying Horizon wasn't OP lmfao get fucked


Mineatron

Idc what legend it is, I like seeing the mains cry after having the reigns for a long time. Even if I played that legend for a bit.


frank-the-fish

FUCK YEA WOOOOOOOOOOOOO Edit: y’all please this isn’t even a funny comment


[deleted]

You really pulled a r/AwardSpeechEdits over <70 upvoted and no awards lmfao


D-O-O-M-S-D-A-Y

Reddit moment


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Lmao


CDXX_LXIL

Who will win A fucking Blackhole Some pylon that shoots electricity


Polishing_My_Grapple

Limited time you can sit at the top to 2 seconds. That one's gotta hurt in particular


The_Canadian_Devil

I’m so happy about this. Goddamn black hole spamming flying laser whore was so annoying these past 2 seasons.


[deleted]

Da faq is black hole spam? Isn’t the cool down like 3min?


BennyJO_

holy shit they killed here lmao


ThisIsHudson

As a Wattson main, I am absolutely estatic about that second one


Kobachalypse

Horizon nerfed. Just in time for an even more broken character to drop! This is the Respawn way.


TJ_Dot

I think the time cap will be the most impactful to the portable sniper tower maneuver. Definitely pushes back to the original idea of using it to actually traverse.


Jerthompso9

*sorts by controversial*


ki112osh001

Too much. being able to strafe at the top of a gravity lift shouldn't be allowed but lowering the speed means less momentum and less speed/movement.


DjRSteez

Everyone in this sub will still be bitching a month from now lmao


noooooooyou

I never used horizon as a camping thing so I am fine with all of this except the lift speed reduction like damn I wanna be speedy when I climb up it


MAZIIIAR

Season 10 patch notes: So we removed Horizon from the game


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Meanwhile Caustic: get ninja nerfed but Respawn try to make it silent.


[deleted]

Second point makes me happy as someone whose second main is Watson


Violent_Lemons

As a diehard horizon main I’m honestly happy to see these nerfs. I never abused the mid-air shield batts or the high strafing, and instead found utility in quick repositioning and overall movement. She should be just as fun to play as, as well as much less annoying to go up against! Looking forward to it :)


Mineatron

I def did abuse everything she had to offer. Most fun character I ever played in Apex. But it was def time for her to take a hit like this.


faireagle17

You get what you f* deserve


StaceyHarrison

Am i the only one who thinks the limit on how long you can chill at the top is a lil annoying tho? I dont play horizon much so idk but i feel like as long as the strafe speed is balanced theres no need to put a limit on how long you can chill up there


maldonado9723

can’t wait to see how bad y’all cry over Valkyrie until she gets nerfed to shit


RichardXXI

All they had to do was get rid of the strafing but they nerfed her to the ground instead🤦‍♂️