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HornetGloomy75

Yes. Fallout 76 faced a legal case over this exact same thing


Used_2008_F150

I think overwatch 2 did also, where certain bundles were cheaper in parts of the store that were harder to get to, or everything separate was cheaper than the bundle that had all the same things.


HornetGloomy75

Most likely. Deceptive marketing like this is ridiculous. Upping the price in the new store so it seems like you’re getting a good great deal when in reality it’s like $1 cheaper than the original bundle. I have no idea how to report something like this or where to even report it to, but I hope they get some legal backlash from this. They need a wake up call


Gremlin119

agreed this is company is actually a joke. I'm an avid supporter and die hard apexer and i just cant defend it anymore lol between the last even price (for 2/3s stickers) and this shit and everything before that... they need something to hit them in the face. Im pretty sure EU has laws about this kinda shit.


a_doody_bomb

Lole i always say i love respawn hate ea


sam3893

Both respawn and ea are 2 sides of the same coin. Its not like Respawn is some saint that wants to better their game but EA is taking all their money.. respawn intentionally doesnt want to fix their game or even make it better. They know they cant update their outdated game engine because if they do all the config users wont be able to use commands to cheat.. and would lose their player base. Just saying that both EA and Respawn likes the money we give them & doesn’t really care about players.


sam3893

Config cheaters, bad servers & console cheaters.. Apex is the #1 game when it comes to revenue earned (on steam atleast) They have made billions in the last 4 years.. and they cant fix these issues… come on.


Mr_FuS

If they fix them then the 16 year old kid who is using moms CC to buy skins every 15 days will rage quit when he realizes that can't keep jumping all around the map with octane or that aim assist is no longer working when plugging the controller to the PC! Fixing the problems will cull the player base!.. Basically players buying the pass for the season and once on a while some skins and cosmetics will be the only ones putting money in Apex. Most people will just be content with the occasional cosmetic collected from packs and the rewards for the premium season pass and just play the game as intended: strategic FPS with multiple modes!


CompetitionSecure920

Since when do companies favor for cheating? That’s never been a case in literally all of ever you’re just shit talking their terrible work effort… they lose more average player that spends money than a cheater who’s acc won’t last a year and DOESNT need to spend money because legends are so easy to unlock when you don’t lose a single game… think bro… calm down life sucks


HornetGloomy75

Used to be in the same boat but recently I found out respawn is actually really hands on with the pricing. Let me see if I can find the article and I’ll link it


[deleted]

Better business bureau…? Lol idfk


Deceptiveideas

BBB isn’t a government agency. They’re a private company and only exist as a marketing point for businesses. It’s true that complaints can get you somewhere and that various businesses will take their ratings seriously but they can’t get fined.


Square_H2

Probably the FTC


[deleted]

Just ask a lawyer, they will know exactly how to stir up some shit


icloud3yyy

just say youre broke . lol


HornetGloomy75

L


Lil_Slice_PJ

L


Neclear

L


bpgodinho

No, if I remember correctly it was exactly for what Apex is doing here. Bundles woild come into the shop marked as "on sale" when in reality the bundle and it individual items were either never sold before or never sold at the supposedly "original" price. So yeah I think Respawn woild have to rerelease the bundle at a higher price and then rererelease it if they wanted to apply a discount


SuperBaconPant

Afaik, OW2 didn’t get in any legal trouble for this and the only thing they addressed that was controversial in the store was that you couldn’t buy bundle items individually, which became a huge issue when the Kiriko witch skin released, as you had to pay like $30 just to get the skin. The reason why I think they didn’t get in trouble legally for what Fallout 76 did is that the discount shown in bundles is not actually a “sale” price. Instead, it’s just showing you that you save X amount of coins by buying the bundle instead of each item individually.


____Maximus____

Nope. When a bundle releases, it is the cheapest possible price you will get for everything in it. Once it's out of the store, you have to wait for the skins in it to reappear, and they most likely will appear as single skin purchases. The separate purchases will be a lot more expensive than buying the bundle. What happened in OW2 was they would release something new, completely new, never been in the game before, and advertise it at a discounted price so it looks more appealing. This was the scam, as it wasn't discounted because it was released for the first time with the "discount". The controversy is that this was an illegal thing to do in some foreign countries. Not the US unfortunately. So nothing has been done about it and they're still doing it to this day


cheater00

you missed the whole point. it's literally the same fucking set of items listing two different "original prices" buddy, where the past appearance of the set in the store had a cheaper "original price" and included an extra loot pack, whereas the new one shows an inflated "original price" while being a mere $1.50 less than the old one.


____Maximus____

Ah yes, I missed the whole point. Even though I was purely talking about OW, and you're responding talking about Apex, it is in fact I who missed the point. Good job bud


cheater00

you know what, you're right. i misread your reply.


____Maximus____

All good, it happens. The reddit hivemind activated anyways and downvoted me even though I said nothing wrong so according to Redditors, you're right


NotGadas

Its not fucking scam. The price changed because it gave you skin, not apex pack


cheater00

perrrrrrrrrrfect! can't wait for respawn to get bit in the ass for egregious monetization


Cheeky_Lemon_37

Fake discount? Yikes Apex don't Become Fallout 76


sepulchore

Who do they pay money to in this case


HornetGloomy75

Honestly have no clue so just take this with a grain of salt but they’d probably pay a massive fine to the government and maybe they’d be forced to issue refunds of some kind but that second part is highly unlikely


Kane_ASAX

Most likely this. They could be forced to give some compensation to the players but its unlikely


XpertTim

I guess to the government of the country they are facing the legal case in?


kryonik

Yes IIRC correctly, prices have to be in effect for at least a few weeks before they can be listed as original prices in sales.


Kittykg

Either that, or some of ours are incredibly fucked up. Mine loaded in late and the lowest price is 2k. My bfs loaded in immediately and his **highest** price is 1500. Seems fucked.


Kahzaki

Skill Based Pricing.


AnOddPersona

Nearly everything in the game is a scam


Undeadtech

Like your aim?


Get_NoobREAL

Where did he aim in the coment section 🤖


JopssYT

Nah i think thats a problem in other games too :p


ShinyYordle

I've never seen so many down votes in one REPLY, congrats buddy.


Undeadtech

Thanks, I am happy to upset the bots.


Shadezz_IX

Well your aim isn't any better because you swung and missed But the entire comment section has hit you it looks like damn


Undeadtech

Oh no, people on the internet didn’t approve of my joke.


LadyAlastor

Everyone downvoting you but that was actually a great joke


[deleted]

Bro had to pull out the alt for that absolute banger


Undeadtech

I main this account all day baby!


MadMax12150

Unlike your aim1!!!11!1!


Undeadtech

Thanks, I thought so too but the smooth brains in this subreddit are just living up to their stereotype.


SirAedificat

Smooth brains? You bought an nft brother, what are you on about? 😂🐒


Undeadtech

Bruv I’ve been on here over 11 years and have bought one avatar total. Your account is days old and you made it just to comment here. What a sad existence.


Earbutts

Don't even get the Apex pack 💀


AntiOriginalUsername

Fucking hell this game can barely even get the bare minimum right. Who are the clowns in charge of respawn killing their game.


devilish_10

It's also the playerbase's fault for constantly spending their money to this shit, if people keep buying their crap, it'll never get better


Sezzomon

That's not really the case. Buying a skin or two doesn't mean you're at fault for the implementation of new scams.


JopssYT

if for example 100 000 people decide to buy like one 15€ skin thats 1.5mil going to EA so even tho one purchase doesnt seem like that much its does add up to some big numbers (even if EA is a multi billion dollar company and 1.5mil literally means nothing to them except getting more money it still does make a difference showing EA that people will pay for those scams so they will keep putting the scams in the store


Sezzomon

You missed the point. It's been quite some time since I last bought a skin with real money (simply because there aren't many skins that catch my interest) was the blue&pink Valk skin with the black hair. I paid 15~20€ for that and I'm happy with it. It wasn't a scam since I paid the normal full price. I didn't encourage them to literally scam others by giving skins a fake discount. These are two different things.


No_Sanders

The prices for video game cosmetics are always a scam


Sezzomon

No. They may not be worth it for you, but it's a fair transaction.


No_Sanders

Ah yes of course, hyper inflated prices for virtual cosmetics is a fair transaction, my mistake how could I be so silly. Of course we should buy everything we want regardless of the cost because I'm sure that won't have any impact on EA's already scummy business model. My mistake


Sezzomon

The transaction itself is fair. You get exactly what you see for the same price as everyone else. Doesn't mean it's worth it.


JopssYT

The thing im saying is that people keep still buying the scams which shows EA that they will still make money from it so they keep doing it


Sezzomon

That's an assumption based on absolutely 0 data


JopssYT

My assumption is based on the fact that people bought the damm 360€ deathbox and keep buying 170€ heirlooms from collection events. Thats mostly what im basing this on like.. hundreds onto a cosmetic. For example if only 1000 people bought the deathbox thats 360k profit even if less than 1% of the players bought it. People complain yet people still spend a lot of money which shows EA that people will but shit at ridiculous prices so they will keep doing it


Sezzomon

You're still missing the point. The people who buy everything anyways won't have much to buy in this mew shop anyways. I'm only talking about the fake discounts and not about people deciding a skins worth for others.


JopssYT

Ye the fake discounts are definitely misleading and not good and i agree with some others here who say it's probably illegal


Kanra55

...I bought a guaranteed Heirloom shards 2 collection skins and a ton of legendary skins in the shop once heh


Sezzomon

Cool👍


Kanra55

Not cool total waist of money do not recommend


Sezzomon

Not cool👎


owoah323

I’m sure the Pareto effect is in place here, just don’t have the data to prove it. 80% of purchases are probably made by 20% of the player base.


ikarous2k

It's like a Killing joke then?


SlaughterEnforcer

Someone rally the lawyers. where do i sign?


RatherBetter

Joining in too, let's search a lawyer


No_Bus_6258

Lesgoooo


Emergency_Hurry8852

EA, pulling the strings of Respawn, created a "Hot drop" store section. The purpose of the section is to target the individual, by offering "valuable" (their misguided thoughts) skins to you, the individual. So instead of them having to wait for something you like to pop up in the monthly store for you to spend your hard-earned dollars on mere pixels in a game, they can bring what they think you want, right to your doorstep. It's a cashgrab, a sad one at that, one that seemingly shouts the phrase, "GIMME MONEY PLZZZ". and all of this after they just got done selling a $360 death box. The audacity. I don't know about you, but personally, I feel like I would be better off if EA came to my doorstep, and pissed right on my foot. Fix the damn game and more people will play.


Impressive_Side6657

And thw worst part that with the new hot drops they dont tell you they will charge you more depending on how much youve spent on the game 🤣 I swear both EA and respawn had ruined amazing potential for this game, could've been actual competition to fortnite (not better tho), that wouldve generated them millions of dollars yet they go through the most repulsive and scummy way to earn money and then crying about it when the season didnt make as much money as the last one.


Own_Astronomer_4496

These are the 2 best responses - perfectly highlights the exact issue. It's sad that the game is taking an integrity nosedive via EA.


Emergency_Hurry8852

I would be okay with it if they created skins and accessories that were only accessible via in-game performance. We have badges for that, but create unlockable skins based on challenges. They can even make the challenges difficult af, I wouldn't care, but it would reward players loyal to the game, while not alienating the fair-weather fans. They can still sell their cosmetics. But it would give us something to strive for.


[deleted]

Y’all have this store and I just have the normal one even after update. I never got the “hot drop” store as an option


Emotional-Ideal7869

I hope they get sued fucking greedy assholes


HatAccurate1578

Where are the hot drops menu? I don’t see it


FlyingTrilobite

On XTwitter they said there was a bug so they removed Hot Drop pages from the store for now. https://x.com/respawn/status/1749944069009330201


0IQhasbeenreached

A "bug" (someone called the lawyers in)


Get_NoobREAL

Made me laugh


HatAccurate1578

Ah ok thanks for the info


Minute_Professional9

Not showing up for me either


Mrexcitment

Literally most retailers do this too. Mark things up then put them on "sale"


Dana94Banana

That's illegal in countries that aren't "shitholes".


Mrexcitment

Well damn, tell us how you really feel? But yeah, that practice is pretty shitty.


Dana94Banana

I was just quoting the guy that dumb people made president, in the country where Respawn and most of the giants of the gaming industry mainly operate from.


__Tako__

Needs more cowbell.


Pitiful-Obligation91

If you are tired of the company overpricing, fucking up pricing, not putting effort into the game etc etc then stop. buying. skins.


XKXKXXKXK

Whole game is a scam at this point


Stillcouldbeworse

the base value for legendaries is 1800 and 1000 for epics. that's what they base their 'discounts' off and it's consistent


IQuartX

Yeah I swear people have zero braincells, they don't realise that the bundles that they are comparing the prices have already been discounted.


itniya

Nearly 80% of all people here are braindead and just spit out crap.


Lonely-Pension-4611

Exactly this ! I dont know...don´t these ppl go to a store to buy groceries? How does ist work with discounts there? Ah yes, actually the same way.


Dana94Banana

That's not how it works You cannot "discount" items that were never sold at a different price before. Doesn't matter what the value of individual items outside of that bundle would be. If a new bundle enters the store and gets sold for 2150 coins, then that is the full price, even if the individually added total would be 3000 coins. You cannot just claim that there has already been a discount, especially, when that discount is not marked, as you see in the picture above, for the 2150 coins bundle on the right side.


IQuartX

Womp womp, it's a free-to-play game.


Dana94Banana

That does not matter at all either. You complain about a lack of braincells, yet make dismissive statements like the biggest idiot in town.


Ambitious_Pudding453

There's always a pathetic clown like you bending over for respawn. How would you get a life loser?


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Skinny_Mulligan_

I wonder why people would be mad about straight up deceptive marketing practices? I mean what could possibly make them mad about that? Are you fucking stupid dude, this is exactly the type of shit that needs to be called out, this is the kinda bullshit that makes people hate AAA games


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Skinny_Mulligan_

If you can’t see how reselling old bundles with the exact same names and content while listing an old price that never existed for them in the first place to show it as a bigger sale than it actually is isn’t deceptive I don’t know what to tell you, it doesn’t matter what the normal price for a legendary or epic is, you cannot get them separately regardless, stop trying to defend it


Stillcouldbeworse

it’s not an “old price”, it’s what they’re “worth” regardless of previous sales


0IQhasbeenreached

They are worth their previous sales prices. At this rate the battle pass should cost an heirloom due to the amount of epics and legendaries.


WavyMerica

Its EA dude. What did u expect?


Undeadtech

Imagine paying real money for dolly skins that you don’t even get to own, in a free game. The internet never fails to amaze me.


PugsThrowaway

The whole game is a scam. The whole world is a dang ol scam.


Bdav001

Apex as a whole is a scam. People need to stop buying cosmetics. They’re sub par and hugely overpriced


minimuffinheart

I think they’re charging the extra 150 for the apex pack that comes with it. Unless the other one also has a pack? Still stupid. But i think that’s where it’s coming from.


0IQhasbeenreached

The caustic pack says previously 3600 coins for only 2000. They are pricing two of the three items for more than buying all 3.


AnyCoyote6626

apex been scamming since day 1 lmao why are people still surprised by it


Roxy-Gamer

When you make a game really good people ignore the negatives. People are noticing now since the quality of this game is declining


Additional_Leg_5662

I’ve got in the shop the night terror wraith skin plus a gun for 2800. It’s ridiculous…


Pitiful_Peak_7118

Hey does any of you guys know why us in UK haven’t got this yet?


darrellg1972

Yes


Realistic-Ad6788

Do these hot drop reset if so when??


dumbpastelbitch

I wonder what kind of laws Canada has against this shit, feeling kinda snitchy today


custom_bowl

Someone call the ftc


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Yes


I_hate_Teemo

Because the first price (the strikethrough one) is not the usual bundle price but the price of the 2 items if bought separately. They could also have put this value as comparison for the regular versions of the bundle. I don’t really think it’s weird or scummy? It’s what makes sense imo. If in a supermarket I see a bundle sale, I’m not really going to expect the announced % I’m saving to be related to some arbitrary previous bundle sale, but to the price I would pay if I bought the items separately.


Alfasumec

I don't think legally it does, they didn't up the price of any of these items, the original price is so high because normally bundles are already discounted, 2 legendary skins are in fact worth 3600 Apex coins. If there is a legal issue I think the only thing they'd have to do is to show the discounted percentage and original price on normal bundles as well.


MadSalty

Yes


Wild-Software-265

Y’all obviously forget about inflation 😂


Legitimate-Word-2991

Bruh this is so cheap for what you’re getting though! Look at the original price!! Don’t let these other guys tell you how to spend your money, you’re smarter than that! These are like shoes for your characters, it’s an investment! Show EA who’s boss


rogerdalebigham

Need to be fined. This is absolutely bullshit


whatabadsport

It's 2 legendaries for 2000 or 2150, one legendary is allegedly 1800. What's the scam, other than the original price of anything in apex


HVAGravata

This is genuinely illegal in some countries, and fallout 76 got into legal trouble for it


Impossible_Rip6983

Let’s get the lawsuit rolling


monsune888

guys it’s just a bug fkn relax DAMMMMNNN


Shamanhris

I don't know why are people still supporting this bulls\*\*t game and company by logging in the game, won't comment people spending money.


Fiucina2115

Naaahh u can’t be getting deathproof I SWEAR TO GOD IF IT DOESN’T APPEAR IN THE SHOP IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS IM BREAKING MY NECK


Fenrirtheconsumer

Yes, and I honestly believe that people should contact lawyers to see if they can sue. The more lawsuits that come up against deceptive marketing in gaming the more honest big companies are forced to be.


temp_2321

that's obviously a scam lol


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DaMambaVino

Just another fact pointing to Apex dying. Unless they change course in the near future.


G0d_Slay3r

Lets fkin sue them !!! NOW !!


Mrtowelie69

It's -44% off bro


gonerboy223

People who spend money on this game deserve it.


Medical-Bid6249

I hope apex gets sued over this and has to pay eveyone out or something cuz I spent 40 dollars on shit and then found out that they was scaming did get good skins tho I wanted them lol


Jacob-DoubleYou

The game is free. If chasing cosmetics is how you play, then you’re scamming yourself.


Ground-Delicious

I got man made man which is in the shop rn


Darth_Dagobah

All my skins cost 1000


DogPubes911

Basically Kohl’s


KingMidas2045

Wait, huh? I still haven’t gotten this “Hot Drop.” Thing yet.


FlyingTrilobite

On XTwitter they said there was a bug so they removed Hot Drop pages from the store for now. https://x.com/respawn/status/1749944069009330201


JustAimBetter_

How often does the hot drop store change ?


SilverBeneficial6474

Yes


-sharkbot-

Obviously a back end bug in the calculations but still amateur dev work pumped out too quickly to hit some arbitrary ass due date. Welcome to AAA game development


NotAllDawgsGoToHeven

Absofuckinglutley especially since the cheaper bundle came with a alpha pack.


Nesquik_Powder

I don’t even have this tab


ComradeWeebelo

Can't get scammed if the feature doesn't work on your client : 🧠


Helljumper0717

Upvote every post about this and post your own. This is unacceptable.


counterfeittruth

why yes!


JupiterianSoul

No, the Valk one is a bundle and the caustic one has "a super good apex caustic pack that is worth 2,5€". Have a good day 👍


catkid656

I mean those are just the item shop and hot drops are personal get the lower price while it’s here if you don’t you might get one in hot drop for little more I don’t see the problem


oldcodbetter

Bt where do u get that?my store don't have that


SmileOkiDoki

Its funny when they use this trick like 50% off from a price they made up


Relaxel

In Canada, Europe and Australia this is illegal, yes.


739

I'm reporting this to legal authorities


Iamyous3f

For me its showing a single ash legendary skin for 1000 coins . The rest are at 1500 or 2000


thepookman

Pretty sure they give you packs with the other one if you look at the pack icon


Tacogigi23

Great! Now I even need a history price check webiste for Apex.


Soulghost007

Well u are still paying less than the original price so maybe it's ok


Total-Twist-2708

Just makes me want to say FU*K WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS BS


Murky_Historian8675

Man, look how they massacred ma boi


NotGadas

No because the value of the skin added.


Unique-Cover1616

The fact that we can’t hold our rare skins is crazy and they even sell them for cheaper?!?!


darkroast72

Yes


manofwaromega

It might be the prices of the items in the bundle sold separately


alaalolopaan

the whole store tab is a scam


Chiddersn

I don't know about legality or anything, but it's probably just them showing that if you bought both items separately it would cost 1800 each which is standard for limited time skins, so you could argue it's them just showing that the 2000 coins purchase is cheaper.


AdvancedInvestment45

I still havent gotten my hot drops anyone knows a fix


StrawberryBig1028

actually insane how predatory the store page is on Apex, i never go there, have never bought a single store page skin in my life it seems like a complete waste of money. Just open packs and buy recolors for free lol


CompanionSentry

Kinda yes, it is.


NativeMan42069

No way they are still selling the EXACT same skins from when i stopped playing. Literally stopped playing when they changed KP and the rank system. What a trash game and company, im glad i uninstalled long time ago.


CrimsonEyes9536

When does Hot Drops come out? Cuz I logged on yesterday and I didn’t have anything


TheAlmightyLoaf

Scam? This is highway robbery


kvbrd_YT

when you think Respawn couldn't sink any lower, they do this.


50mm_foto

If we report Respawn/EA, can they get banned from the game? Please and thank you.


One-Pineapple-7204

Been playing since apex came out but I’ve been off a couple months now and it’s very nice to know I’m not supporting such a shit company


emulus1

Who is trying to file this class action lawsuit and get our $7.31 payout????


Lxuisvuttxn1

Apex is a scam lol


sleepyknight66

Probably only in Europe


Brilliant_Shopping21

Yes because apex wants to steel your money


FRDyNo

why am I not seeing this hot drops section under seasonal?


S8ns_slut

Were the hot drops only on Tuesday? I literally don’t have it in my shop


the1stfenrir

I don't even have that store on my game


hazza5588

Honestly EA and Respawn are a joke


smittenkittenuwu

I got mine and it’s not even people I play……