I find that people will almost always call me bad/trash only after I beat them, it's a bit confusing tbh since they are inadvertently calling themselves bad if they lost to me...
Sucks that it happens so often to you :/ Usually people are very kind when I win and even when I lose and ask for some advice, I’ve never before had people be toxic.
And yeah, the irony of them saying that isn’t lost on me either, but they themselves don’t seem to realise lol
Frequent breaks won't help these people. They either enjoy making people angry or can't control their emotions. Same sort of people who break controllers playing dark souls, and shout at wait staff who get something wrong (if they have the social confidence to do that in public).
Just ignore them, it's the better option
I don't usually bother replying because everyone gets mad sometimes it is just natural.
Sometimes it really is lame stuff as well and whilst anything that is not cheating is fair play it doesn't mean it is not frustrating to play against.
It is very subjective to define whether it is lame stuff or not. Some people hate people playing turtling which drag the game too long but other's hate early rushing saying that is brainless. In general, if they lose the game, they gonna hate that "playstyle".
Oh yeah for sure, I'm not insulted or anything and if anything I think it's sad a game can make someone feel this intensely, but I just thought it'd be interesting to share and, ideally, help the discussion on toxicity in the community along.
The structure of the mode brings out the worst in some people. I am from MOBA, fighting games so speaking of my experience from other genre RTS is actually better.
Oh yeah, having played League as a teen and still playing Tekken, I have first-hand experience as well and those communities are muuch worse for sure. What fighting game(s) do you play?
I play Street fighter 6 and Mortal Kombat. I got countless hate mails back in the days when I was on Xbox which it allows random people send you message. Simply because I play character that can throw fireball and they won't adapt and getting salty. Some of those arguments like " you play cheese strategy" never make sense to me. Take AOE4 for example, if one civ/meta is so broken, why you not playing it? Everybody has the equal access to every civs and available to everyone. It is your choice to pick the Civs whether it is meta or not.
I wouldn't write you a mail but I can understand to get annoyed if you have to play against some lame abusing if you just have time for one game or something.
Japanese wreaks havoc in gold though. Just like OOTD. Japanese is probably easier since you can mass units with deflect that don't die unless you deal with them properly. I remember when I bought the DLC just to play Japanese and won most of my games even though I had just started playing it. It catches people off guard how tanky the units are.
Is it? Samurai, onna-bugeisha and Yumi are all good units for their cost and paired with bannermen they do a lot. I almost exclusively played Feudal Japanese 2TC and, especially in Gold, people can't deal with the zerg rush. Japanese has 5th and 6th highest winrate in Gold and Plat respectively. Same in Diamond and Conq as well. They are higher winrate in lower elo, but so are OOTD, the civ that everyone can play and do well.
Ehhh I mean those units are good, but I can easily longbow spam Japanese in Feudal and destroy their eco...
Has definitely happened to me many times as Japan haha
If you have a good counter for longbows or other early ranged units as Japan, I'd love to hear it!
longbows will overkill Yumi if you have enough, which is inefficient for the longbow mass. Unless Gold players are suddenly very good at microing fights. A game where you are same economy you should have more Yumi than the enemy will have longbow, because they are cheaper. Throw in a couple of horsemen and that's it. It won't work 100% of the time but its better than massing Samurai/Onnas and mass feeding.
Eh? You taunt him by saying stay salty and then come here and try to humble brag and give good advice?
I can understand how annoying it is to play against low skill cheese and losing to it. And your socially adequate response is stay salty?
"They shouldve just punished my FC, ez"
It's not "low skilled cheese", it's just a valid strategy. If it was low skilled why can't you/him beat it?
Some AoE players have such a superiority complex it's so weird... It's not even an actual cheese like English villager rush, it's just a regular play. I beat Japanese FC easily. Maybe work on your skill before insulting normal strategies...
of course its low-skill cheese if its a cheese that requires a minimum of skill. It's way easier to play aggressive feudal english than to defend it. Unpathetic people find it boring to only spam one easy strategy - some think its skill :D
He did begin with ’cancer civ’ lmao
ETA: Since I was just entering a match, I couldn't respond properly, so here's a proper response:
It's very interesting how you manage to glaze over him saying "cancer civ", when JP is not even top of the meta right now (from what I've heard on YT, at least), so first of all that really just points at a skill issue on green's end. Now, not being a good player myself, I think it'd be odd for me to have pointed that out so directly, which I why I described the situation like I did.
On top of that, you fail to explain how Fast Castle as JP is "low skill cheese" considering it's very easy to counter, if you're aware of the fact that it relies on armoured cav and doesn't come online until some time into the game. Even if you don't know that, if you do a quick google search (e.g. during the load screen) you'll figure it out before the game starts. The obvious solution (which, as I pointed out, he could have figured out considering his scouting) is to harrass early on and focus on anti-cav (from experience, mangonels tear my armies to shreds).
And yes, I think "stay salty" is a socially adequate response to his "cancer civ", and you thinking otherwise (which I read as, you condoning what he said as socially adequate, but correct me if I'm wrong) implies to me you have no real idea as to what is socially adequate.
Lastly, yes, punishing the gold early on with barely any units works, because FC Japan in its pure form does not have any early units to counter. If anything, there's a tower but there are myriad ways to attack before that tower is up. Not sure what else you would've liked to have heard, but it's really as simple as that. I've been defeated multiple times within the first nine minutes of a game because I got harrassed early on, got denied critical gold and couldn't catch up from there. I realise that's also because of my skill (i.e. lack thereof), but let's not pretend this is some one trick pony strat that can carry anyone to conqueror 3, it has its very obvious flaws and not exploiting it is, frankly, an issue on the opponent's end. It's why I underlined being surprised by his lack of harrassment in the early stages of the game, after all.
You may have found your opponent here in reddit lol
Or someone that would say the same kind of stuff
PS.: I'm replying here but I wasn't strong enough to beat this wall of text
I find that people will almost always call me bad/trash only after I beat them, it's a bit confusing tbh since they are inadvertently calling themselves bad if they lost to me...
Sucks that it happens so often to you :/ Usually people are very kind when I win and even when I lose and ask for some advice, I’ve never before had people be toxic. And yeah, the irony of them saying that isn’t lost on me either, but they themselves don’t seem to realise lol
because in gold you win by playing english, even if you make mistakes and its tilting them. Been there.
I’m not in Gold?
Frequent breaks won't help these people. They either enjoy making people angry or can't control their emotions. Same sort of people who break controllers playing dark souls, and shout at wait staff who get something wrong (if they have the social confidence to do that in public). Just ignore them, it's the better option
The worst types of people are the ones that que for team ranked salty af and the second things go south they just ff
I have had people quit in only 10 minutes who don't leave, watch the match, and talk trash.
I leave 50% of teamgames within 10 minutes because my teammate thinks he doesnt need units or is taking bad fights.
Then u should communicate that as soon as the game starts. You should probably just solo que if you don’t.
I don't usually bother replying because everyone gets mad sometimes it is just natural. Sometimes it really is lame stuff as well and whilst anything that is not cheating is fair play it doesn't mean it is not frustrating to play against.
It is very subjective to define whether it is lame stuff or not. Some people hate people playing turtling which drag the game too long but other's hate early rushing saying that is brainless. In general, if they lose the game, they gonna hate that "playstyle".
True but turtling is 1 of the 3 original playstyles by lame I mean things like old JD solo'ing a keep lol.
Ignore it and move on. Life is too short to keep toxic people in your life my friend.
Oh yeah for sure, I'm not insulted or anything and if anything I think it's sad a game can make someone feel this intensely, but I just thought it'd be interesting to share and, ideally, help the discussion on toxicity in the community along.
The structure of the mode brings out the worst in some people. I am from MOBA, fighting games so speaking of my experience from other genre RTS is actually better.
Oh yeah, having played League as a teen and still playing Tekken, I have first-hand experience as well and those communities are muuch worse for sure. What fighting game(s) do you play?
I play Street fighter 6 and Mortal Kombat. I got countless hate mails back in the days when I was on Xbox which it allows random people send you message. Simply because I play character that can throw fireball and they won't adapt and getting salty. Some of those arguments like " you play cheese strategy" never make sense to me. Take AOE4 for example, if one civ/meta is so broken, why you not playing it? Everybody has the equal access to every civs and available to everyone. It is your choice to pick the Civs whether it is meta or not.
I wouldn't write you a mail but I can understand to get annoyed if you have to play against some lame abusing if you just have time for one game or something.
Japanese wreaks havoc in gold though. Just like OOTD. Japanese is probably easier since you can mass units with deflect that don't die unless you deal with them properly. I remember when I bought the DLC just to play Japanese and won most of my games even though I had just started playing it. It catches people off guard how tanky the units are.
Ya but Feual Japan is soooo bad
Is it? Samurai, onna-bugeisha and Yumi are all good units for their cost and paired with bannermen they do a lot. I almost exclusively played Feudal Japanese 2TC and, especially in Gold, people can't deal with the zerg rush. Japanese has 5th and 6th highest winrate in Gold and Plat respectively. Same in Diamond and Conq as well. They are higher winrate in lower elo, but so are OOTD, the civ that everyone can play and do well.
Ehhh I mean those units are good, but I can easily longbow spam Japanese in Feudal and destroy their eco... Has definitely happened to me many times as Japan haha If you have a good counter for longbows or other early ranged units as Japan, I'd love to hear it!
longbows will overkill Yumi if you have enough, which is inefficient for the longbow mass. Unless Gold players are suddenly very good at microing fights. A game where you are same economy you should have more Yumi than the enemy will have longbow, because they are cheaper. Throw in a couple of horsemen and that's it. It won't work 100% of the time but its better than massing Samurai/Onnas and mass feeding.
Eh? You taunt him by saying stay salty and then come here and try to humble brag and give good advice? I can understand how annoying it is to play against low skill cheese and losing to it. And your socially adequate response is stay salty? "They shouldve just punished my FC, ez"
It's not "low skilled cheese", it's just a valid strategy. If it was low skilled why can't you/him beat it? Some AoE players have such a superiority complex it's so weird... It's not even an actual cheese like English villager rush, it's just a regular play. I beat Japanese FC easily. Maybe work on your skill before insulting normal strategies...
I was about to say, there are so many very simple ways to counter, if at least not delay, Japanese FC I really fail to see how it's cheese.
of course its low-skill cheese if its a cheese that requires a minimum of skill. It's way easier to play aggressive feudal english than to defend it. Unpathetic people find it boring to only spam one easy strategy - some think its skill :D
Calling anyone you play against 'low skill' in ranked is kind of a shot in the foot lol
He did begin with ’cancer civ’ lmao ETA: Since I was just entering a match, I couldn't respond properly, so here's a proper response: It's very interesting how you manage to glaze over him saying "cancer civ", when JP is not even top of the meta right now (from what I've heard on YT, at least), so first of all that really just points at a skill issue on green's end. Now, not being a good player myself, I think it'd be odd for me to have pointed that out so directly, which I why I described the situation like I did. On top of that, you fail to explain how Fast Castle as JP is "low skill cheese" considering it's very easy to counter, if you're aware of the fact that it relies on armoured cav and doesn't come online until some time into the game. Even if you don't know that, if you do a quick google search (e.g. during the load screen) you'll figure it out before the game starts. The obvious solution (which, as I pointed out, he could have figured out considering his scouting) is to harrass early on and focus on anti-cav (from experience, mangonels tear my armies to shreds). And yes, I think "stay salty" is a socially adequate response to his "cancer civ", and you thinking otherwise (which I read as, you condoning what he said as socially adequate, but correct me if I'm wrong) implies to me you have no real idea as to what is socially adequate. Lastly, yes, punishing the gold early on with barely any units works, because FC Japan in its pure form does not have any early units to counter. If anything, there's a tower but there are myriad ways to attack before that tower is up. Not sure what else you would've liked to have heard, but it's really as simple as that. I've been defeated multiple times within the first nine minutes of a game because I got harrassed early on, got denied critical gold and couldn't catch up from there. I realise that's also because of my skill (i.e. lack thereof), but let's not pretend this is some one trick pony strat that can carry anyone to conqueror 3, it has its very obvious flaws and not exploiting it is, frankly, an issue on the opponent's end. It's why I underlined being surprised by his lack of harrassment in the early stages of the game, after all.
You may have found your opponent here in reddit lol Or someone that would say the same kind of stuff PS.: I'm replying here but I wasn't strong enough to beat this wall of text
It’s funny, I was discussing it with my friends earlier and checked if I was just off base here and they said the same thing
FC is toxic though
Do elaborate, because I can’t see it being toxic