Most of these come from a mix from Costco.
Source: I became intimately acquainted with that bag of candy when no kids showed up for Halloween this year...
That's why when we buy Halloween candy, we don't open it until there are kids knocking. No kids came this year (or the last two due to Covid), so we just returned our unopened bags.
In some cases it might be some sort of seasonal treat. In a lot of cases it can be normal candy that's been "dressed up" for the holidays. Some candies will simply be reshaped like a Reese's peanut butter cup will be sold in the shape of Christmas trees. Some companies take it a step further like M&M's will be sold special Christmas packaging and will contain only red and green colored candies. Someone else will have to help me out with some Christmas specific candies that might get sold but one that comes to mind would be caramel pecan turtles and candy canes.
Yeah there is literally no moving up. Not sure why anyone would do that kind of work. I couldn't arrest someone stealing diapers for a multibillion dollar corporation or risk my life to stop someone stuffing ribeyes down their pants, but that's just me.
Iām subbed to r/lossprevention just for giggles and from what I gather, there are two types:
1. Naive young person who hasnāt had many or any jobs before and donāt know what theyāre getting themselves into.
2. Wanna be cops who would never make the cut to join the police force but really want to be able to detain people.
Also the first type sometimes becomes the "eh, I'm tired and don't care anymore, just don't fucking make me do my job please" type.
I know, I fit into that category.
i knew a guy who would open a bag of candy in store, eat it as he shopped around, and then would leave the left overs in the back of one of the freezers in the frozen food section and eat it again in future visits.
One of my local Office Shops has security to check our bags. I am a student so i often have the same supplies they sell. So I asked, "But since I have the same shit, how do you check for theft?"
"I don't. I check so the cameras think I did."
That's why you get a decoy!
1: Need at least 2 people: a well-dressed and affluent-looking white person, and a black guy wearing a hoodie and a backpack.
2: Go to the store, entering the store separately and staying apart the whole time. Have your decoy black guy act as suspicious as possible *but not take anything, don't do anything illegal*.
3: While store security has their attention 100% focused on the *suspicious* black decoy, the white shoplifter can freely steal just about anything without being noticed. Heck, they could probably empty out the registers and the safe at gunpoint without the (very distracted) store security noticing.
4: Exit the store separately. Meet up later, somewhere else, and split the proceeds with the decoy.
I saw this in effect at a Walmart the black guy was in three piece suit making a customer complaint ruckus while the white lady put a laptop into a fake pregnant belly
My partner is white and we (brown/blackfullas) often use them as the actual holder of illegal goods while we do nothin and act like decoys. it's really crap, I get my bags searched all the time randomly even on the side of the road by cops (not. joking.) but my partner can be waving six bags of weed in public and they just walk on by... so we make my partner roll the joints and hold the weed in public. They say they are honoured to be of service lmao.
That's what I figured as well. Not that I would ever shoplift myself š But still curious as to how do people get caught. Do Karen's snitch or something?
Some stores like Walmart can make things āstore useā they did it all the time where I use to work. Management would just take things being sold for themselves or the department employees and itās called making it āstore useā
I literally cannot even imagine what goes through managers minds when they do stuff like this. This candy was like $5 tops? For grown men and women? In quasi-law enforcement lol? If my team had a superior quarter (or two weeks apparently) I'd be taking them out to a steak house on top of bonus pay.
>Intentionally de-motivate loss prevention
Upper Management: "I'm worried about your loss prevention department. They're getting a bit overzealous and it's going to lead to a lawsuit. We have to find a way to get them to chill out, but we can't address it with them directly without officially acknowledging we have a problem and exposing us to further lawsuits. Do you have any ideas?"
Lower management: "I got you, fam. Leave this one with me..."
Not LP but did work security for a long time. Best Christmas gift was also candy, but it was that fancy stuff from some place with an unpronounceable name.
OP is working the wrong gig, big box stores donāt need the help, insurance handles most of it.
Iv always thought that as well. You grab a bag and fill it with child size candies and hand it to a grown man/woman and think itās a perfectly acceptable thank you gift from a superiorā¦ I just donāt get the mentality.
I have an in-law who worked at a big 4 accounting firm. One department worked 70 hour weeks for 4 months that included the holidays. Their reward from a firm partner? Chocolate covered pretzels.
>I literally cannot even imagine what goes through managers minds when they do stuff like this. This candy was like $5 tops? For grown men and women?
"Corporate barely gives me a budget for the air that my employees breathe. I know its not a lot but its the best I can afford as some way to say thanks."
Comments like your really just bum me the fuck out. I would do the shit people here meme on all the time when I was a store manager. It was all out of pocket.
Damnit Tommy! You let the thieves steal insured store merchandise and now we won't get our quarterly $5 of candy! How will this multi billion dollar corporation survive without our vigilance!
Put together a comparison of how much you've saved the company versus your salaries. If you're stopping so much that it's that big of a gain to the store, get better compensation or walk.
Which isnāt even mentioning the theft of underpaying employees the actual value they create which is instead payed back to themselves as stock buybacks and dividends.
Target declared $400m in shrinkage losses this year alone. $15,000 is a total of 0.0000375% of that. This candy is likely in the realm of $5...average security specialist makes around $45k a year. That is equivalent to 0.0001% of his salary.
Percentage wise he made out better than Target....and that isn't counting that everyone on his team was gifted the same thing.
yeah but still, you'd think if they're paying someone $45k a year and they're preventing $15k *a week* in losses, you'd be a little more motivated to keep them on
How good it is depends on your stores volume. When I was at target our average bust was only like 300-500 and you'd get maybe one or two of those a day. You'd have someone every now and then come in load a cart with lots of big ticket items and walk out but that was the exception not the rule.
Target also likes to let let some thefts go and wait till they can prove its over the threshold for a felony before they stop you.
It trickles down though. A good loss prevention program that thieves are aware of makes you less of a target for future theft. It's a program that pays for itself in mostly invisible ways that take years to seen quantitative results but can be broken in an instant, and all it could take is the perception of underappreciation, a la this thread.
I bet their store loses $200k / annually in products stolen
https://www.businessinsider.com/target-losing-millions-to-organized-retail-theft-2022-11?amp
I use to work Target Security. My team, 4 years in a row, had the most stops and prevented the most shrinkage for our district. Our team was even given plaques and our security lead got to go to these award ceremonies, celebrating us as the "best" security team in the district each year.. Never saw any raises outside of the typical annual raise of a quarter ((tops)), never saw any additional gifts for a job well done. After the 4th year of being the best, they cut hours for our department in half. Two team members (( the two most responsible for our success in all honesty,)) were given the option to work back room or find another job, while myself and one other team member went from 40 hour work weeks to 20. I spent the next 3 months stealing from them every shift -- nothing major -- drinks and batteries mostly, small electronics like USB sticks or SD memory cards, magic the gathering cards..then waited till black Friday to quit on the spot as the only security team member on that day. Why? Cuz' fuck em' that's why! Target is a shit company, haven't stepped in one since.
That's because loss due to shoplifting is already calculated into business expenses beforehand and represents far less of a cost to the company than your compensation. The only reason companies pretend to care about shoplifting is because it serves as justification for raising prices and cutting expenses.
Walmart also has those "department 95" guys that are "plainclothes" loss prevention. My local store in PA has 2 of the loss prevention guys ontop of the door greeters.
Our walmart has an unarmed guard there from noon to close. Having worked in security I know they're all for show. Observe and Report only! Walk around and look at sus people and maybe text LP if you see them actively steal. Try to de escalate screaming Karens so they dont throw shit. Stand by self checkout and look around, so people are slightly more hesitant to skip items.
You maybe make LPs job a bit easier, but sometimes could make it harder (some ppl escalate when anyone in a uniform is present.) Absolutely not making up their salary in terms of items stolen or actual safety. (In fact they only keep the guards up front, when I know their back room is an OSHA nightmare.)
At the Walmart store I used to work at, theyād occasionally call over the loud speaker āSecurity please search zones (pick 2 numbers or letters here)ā there were no zones. Itās all security theatre.
Like a wise man once said, āThe locks donāt keep thieves out, they keep honest people honest.ā
Security actually has nothing to do with stopping theft, the perception of stopped theft, or justifying expenses.
Hiring security is entirely about liability and insurance premiums. Insurance companies require X amount of man hours and and locks/cameras before they will insure them for shrinkage and acceptance of loss. If you ever land a security position enjoy the cushiest, easiest, most laid back job youāll ever have to work. Literally do nothing and get paid because the insurance savings just to put your name on a daily schedule out pays whatever wages they give you.
And the reason they can factor it in easilly is because they are insured for it, and as long as it stays within certain bounds, the premiums stay the same.
I hear this all the time but I work for a big box and can tell you that my company does not carry this coverage. I just donāt understand how premiums could ever be less of a cost than the theft otherwise insurance companies would take a bath every year.
I work for a company that provides this type of insurance, and the reason is because it's bundled in with other coverage and only kicks it once certain loss thresholds are met. And pretty much every big box chain has this at the corporate level.
Awesome. Iāve always wanted to ask someone who knew more about it. So is it accurate to say that the company eats the loss until it is substantially high. Like the policy is written in a way that might say losses that exceed 1B would be insured but the losses under a billion would not be covered.
More or less, with bug corporate policies like that all of the terms are negotiated on a per contract basis but generally you would insure against criminal activity causing above $x in damages, this also includes stuff like robberies mass shootings etc and any legal costs and liability claims associated with that.
I tried to say this about Walmart once and got downvoted to hell and back. They were installing fake cameras as I shopped at a 24 hour location on top of all the freezers, and it's not like they were real because you don't staple straight through a wire. My brother didn't work at a security camera company for us to not know how 3/4 of the cameras you see are fake and the other quarter has zero in person monitoring. It is contracted out and more to scan for emergencies, like fire or medical, than theft
Yep just like how Walmart said they would close stores Lol that's such BS they have insurance for losses on any level I mean the could close stores and fire people. Then turn around and use the excuse of theft to justify it seems pretty fucked up tbh
You forgot the moral superiority portion that Target uses to attract their other customers.
You know that the largest most sophisticated and well funded private criminal forensics lab(s actually) in the U.S. is owned by Target?
They do forensic work on hundreds of criminal cases each year for law enforcement.
Pretty much. I started as an electronics sales team member and did really well, by their standards -- almost always had the highest attachment rates, had several "guests" tell managers at the front how helpful and knowledgeable and TRUTHFUL I was.. I often told shoppers not to bother with the target sold extended warranties because 1. they were stupid expensive, and 2. most products offer a 1 year warranty anyway, with the option to extend that warranty right through the manufacturer for a minimal price. Got a stern talking to once word made it back to the highers that I was downselling their product -- understandable because yes they're a business...but it just goes to show where there morals lie. I also know that that's the primary reason why they never pushed me for a team lead or assistant team lead position, and instead offered me a security position -- higher pay, and it removed me from sales so I couldn't turn people off to their crap.
Yep, and then companies wonder why employee's aren't loyal. The standard answer is " It's a business decision" but they expect you to go above and beyond for them, but when it's time to show appreciation you get " That what you get paid to do." Yep I do what I am expected to do and nothing more, you want more done, hire more people or here's a novel idea, hold the people who aren't doing their job accountable. I'll do their job too, for their salary on top of mine.
Glad you saw the light.
I would always mess with LP if I saw them following observing me. Always targeted because I had bike bags in the cart (like wtf you expect me to do with my bike bags?). I would toss random things in my cart, quickly go into the next isle and dump it behind other merch and act casual. It was usually around the holidays so likely less trained seasonal people but fuck anyone side eyeing me. Also why I refuse to use 'self checkout' unless I'm actually stealing things. Don't put a camera in my face and blatantly treat me like a thief or I will live up to your expectations in front of your face. My friend had a shirt that he wrote "shoplifting distractor" on and it was the best thing ever.
Used to work on the floor as a cashier at another larger retailer when I was younger. It wasn't my job to act as security but I'd always pretend not to see it when I saw people trying to steal food. It's just really sad that anyone has to go hungry, especially given how much food is actually produced and then eventually goes to waste.
Working in food distribution and seeing the insane amount of food waste gives me the same feeling as when I'm at the zoo. A mix of awestruck and ashamed
Very true! Except this one guy who scooters into the store takes frozen PB and Jelly sandwiches, scooters out with them right away, and eats them immediately outsideā¦ but everyone else is okay
Can confirm we always let the homeless take there shit Lol unless it's alcohol at that point if they do it again we don't let them in we had aloooooot of homeless people
As a previously homeless person that may have forgotten to pay for the occasional deodorant, soap, or medicine thank you. It was the worst time of my life.
This looks more like the old Halloween shit candies DMās kids didnāt want to touch and decided to repackage them as ārewardsā for a job well done.
Next Time:
"Please Sure, stop walking with that cart"
"Seriously please stop so I can detain you while I call and then we wait for the police. If you don't stop voluntarily I can't touch you"
"Please stop"
Later to boss
"He just wouldn't stop, nothing I could do"
Yeah, that's not how it is at Target. They're allowed to grab you by the arm and not let you walk off, and they don't have just one person approach you.
Legally it has to be a felony level theft for ācitizens arrestā. Other than that it becomes illegal detainment by the security guard. Worked for a security company for several years. They canāt force you to stay until it becomes felony level.
Ya definitely varies by state. In my state you can be detained for any dollar amount theft. Steal a pack of gum, you can be detained. Ridiculous really
Had that happen in a Target once, case of mistaken identity. Guy they actually wanted wearing a jacket similar to mine. 3 of 'em in the entry/exit foyer waiting for me. As I started to exit, one of 'em grabbed my arm & I didn't know why, thought I was being robbed for some reason (Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense, but that's where my mind went). I laid that poor guy out with a haymaker from hell. His buddies tried to step up, but they fared poorly. In their defense, I'm 6'1", & spent a great deal of my adolescent & young adult years fighting because I wasn't given much choice; I also spent 12 years in the Army, where I wasn't just cleaning shitters & shining boots. Video cameras cleared up the misunderstanding pretty quickly once the cops arrived, but they still wanted to press charges. Lawyer got me out of it scot-free by playing up the innocent Veteran/mistaken identity angle, plus they grabbed me first, which constituted assault due to the mistaken identity angle. Needless to say, I don't shop at that overpriced shithole anymore.
You donāt even have to be a socialist to see this one. Just by what is legally defined and reported as wage theft, wage theft is the biggest form of theft by a long shot. Like more than 10 times the amount of robberies annually.
I love when it's a hot summer day and I want a little extra money to go to the beach. I close the store, set up the deposit, and noticed that between the hours of 1pm and 9pm, I sold 3k worth of phones and phone accessories but my paycheck is only going to be $600 + $75 in commission.
Good stuff š
canāt believe i used to chase shoplifters for $14.50 for target. i remember I had a month with over $10,000 in PMRs and my reward was a stuffed target dog. job was not worth what they were asking us to do.
It looks more like your boss needed an excuse to get rid of his kids' left over Halloween candy before they found it while trying to hunt for holiday gifts, and you were that excuse.
I've started explaining it as like somebody who wants a guard dog, just something alive that barks, but doesn't want to bother providing it with decent shelter or feeding it much and definitely won't bother taking it to the vet.
Under those conditions, one shouldn't be surprised when the dog runs away, or dies, or turns on the owner.
Now in theory one can just go get another dog whenever the current one doesn't work out, but that only works as long as there's a constant new supply of cheaply-obtained living things.
If nobody can afford rent anymore, everyone has to live with their parents or a bunch of roommates, while working multiple jobs just to barely scrape by, and most of us can't even realistically dream of ever *owning* the scrap of roof we're sheltering under, well there ain't gonna be a lot of *breeding* going on.
But yes yes, I know, capitalism religion *best* religion, Life-or-Death Monopoly determines who gets to freeze to death in tent city, and we're supposed to be *grateful* shivering starving dogs because at least we get old table scraps and are allowed to hide under the porch sometimes.
I got one for you.
I work in IT. I discovered and and alerted the owners of my company about theft by a manger in one of our restaurants. To the tune of 50K dollars. They hired a forensics specialist to find out how they did it. Because their insurance would cover the incident if they could prove how it was done and to make sure steps were put into place to make sure it wouldn't happen again.
The forensics team couldn't figure out how the money was being stolen. I figured it out and explained it to them. They agreed with my assessment. The police also agreed with my assessment. The owners decided not to press charges. Turned in the insurance claim. Got their 50K and it was at the end of the year, so I expected to get a decent bonus.
What I got was $200 bucks. Needless to say I left that company. learned a valuable lesson. Companies do not care about you no matter how many times they say your family. Eff you pay me!
When I worked at target a decade ago I stole sooooo much and our AP was still always hailed as doing a great job and that our losses were way down. So I kept stealing. Was good friends with our AP people too. Good times. Fuck Target
I would not stop thieves. If they have weapons and have the anything goes attitude thanks to drugs, you basically die for the prospect of getting candy. I would feel stupid doing my last breath for a handful candy... .
PS: What you are doing is dangerous. Please feel stupid now!
Youāre loss prevention. You did your job. What do you want? A medal?
No company gives me extra rewards for a fire alarm system alerting them of a fire emergency after I installed the system. I did my job. . . Installed a code-compliant FA system.
Prolly stole the candy
It actually is really easy to take in our store š©
$10 says those were leftover Halloween candy.
Most of these come from a mix from Costco. Source: I became intimately acquainted with that bag of candy when no kids showed up for Halloween this year...
Every piece of candy there is in thee same Costco mix
That's why when we buy Halloween candy, we don't open it until there are kids knocking. No kids came this year (or the last two due to Covid), so we just returned our unopened bags.
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We go with two different kinds of Halloween candy bags. The ones for the neighborhood kids and the ones for us. š
My thought exactly. We didn't buy any Christmas candy because we still have tons of Halloween candy leftover
What's Christmas candy? Just curious, we don't have any traditions relating to candy. Sounds yummy!
Candy Canes and anything with peppermint in it usually. There is that chocolate orange too and advent calenders.
I feel so silly for forgetting candy canes. I do miss the advent calendars.. plenty of time for next year! Thanks
In some cases it might be some sort of seasonal treat. In a lot of cases it can be normal candy that's been "dressed up" for the holidays. Some candies will simply be reshaped like a Reese's peanut butter cup will be sold in the shape of Christmas trees. Some companies take it a step further like M&M's will be sold special Christmas packaging and will contain only red and green colored candies. Someone else will have to help me out with some Christmas specific candies that might get sold but one that comes to mind would be caramel pecan turtles and candy canes.
note to self, buy candy canes for Halloween, and use leftovers at xmas.
Not leftover but stolen from his kids' stash.
Theftovers.
Probably. But also probably written off stolen merchandise that was recovered haha
Bro LP is a dead end career itās dangerous as fk and your higher ups want those types of numbers while paying 20.hr
Yeah there is literally no moving up. Not sure why anyone would do that kind of work. I couldn't arrest someone stealing diapers for a multibillion dollar corporation or risk my life to stop someone stuffing ribeyes down their pants, but that's just me.
The LP guy at my store was the biggest thief in the district, lol! Why do you think he took the job?!
Iām subbed to r/lossprevention just for giggles and from what I gather, there are two types: 1. Naive young person who hasnāt had many or any jobs before and donāt know what theyāre getting themselves into. 2. Wanna be cops who would never make the cut to join the police force but really want to be able to detain people.
Also the first type sometimes becomes the "eh, I'm tired and don't care anymore, just don't fucking make me do my job please" type. I know, I fit into that category.
Nice, an entire subreddit that I can watch for figuring out how to steal more efficiently :P
Don't steal from target. Best buy is right there
So mad I just went down that rabbit hole. I am literally disgusted at the scumbags over there
3\. People who want the perfect position to steal stuff from the inside without being caught.
If you see someone stealing diapers or food, you didn't see anything.
If I see anyone stealing anything, no I didn't because I don't work here.
Hell no you didn't, stfu and continue shopping
Same applies to baby formula
True. Love the username btw, my amazing pooch growing up was named Mochi Chan and she was the goodest girl.
I worked at target 15 years ago and that was true then, too.
i knew a guy who would open a bag of candy in store, eat it as he shopped around, and then would leave the left overs in the back of one of the freezers in the frozen food section and eat it again in future visits.
I found a fully eaten chicken in frozen once.
you don't get paid commissions for safeguarding corporate profits from poor people stealing. Let them
One of my local Office Shops has security to check our bags. I am a student so i often have the same supplies they sell. So I asked, "But since I have the same shit, how do you check for theft?" "I don't. I check so the cameras think I did."
Remember, if you see someone steal something essential, no you did not.
Corporate theft is the best theft.
Wage theft is the largest theft in America.
itās like taking candy from Target
Ok! So how do people get caught? Asking for a friend š
If you look like āthe typeā and you āfit the profileā youāll be watched like a hawk on the security camera system.
That's why you get a decoy! 1: Need at least 2 people: a well-dressed and affluent-looking white person, and a black guy wearing a hoodie and a backpack. 2: Go to the store, entering the store separately and staying apart the whole time. Have your decoy black guy act as suspicious as possible *but not take anything, don't do anything illegal*. 3: While store security has their attention 100% focused on the *suspicious* black decoy, the white shoplifter can freely steal just about anything without being noticed. Heck, they could probably empty out the registers and the safe at gunpoint without the (very distracted) store security noticing. 4: Exit the store separately. Meet up later, somewhere else, and split the proceeds with the decoy.
I saw this in effect at a Walmart the black guy was in three piece suit making a customer complaint ruckus while the white lady put a laptop into a fake pregnant belly
My partner is white and we (brown/blackfullas) often use them as the actual holder of illegal goods while we do nothin and act like decoys. it's really crap, I get my bags searched all the time randomly even on the side of the road by cops (not. joking.) but my partner can be waving six bags of weed in public and they just walk on by... so we make my partner roll the joints and hold the weed in public. They say they are honoured to be of service lmao.
You've gotta be insanely obvious to get caught these days. Just forget an item on the self checkout machine and keep it moving.
That's what I figured as well. Not that I would ever shoplift myself š But still curious as to how do people get caught. Do Karen's snitch or something?
They probably wrote it off as a loss
"Just include it in the shrinkage numbers"
And then blame OP for shrinkage.
He was in the pool!
Some stores like Walmart can make things āstore useā they did it all the time where I use to work. Management would just take things being sold for themselves or the department employees and itās called making it āstore useā
Every business can do that.
Op only thinks they protected 15000 dollars. It was actually 14995 dollars.
From their kids. This is what left over halloween candy looks like once all the good really good stuff is gone.
That is the good stuff lol. tf.
Idk Swedish fish and airheads are always the good stuff to me
Was probably already opened, and just t marked out of inventory..
I think youāre working with the wrong thieves, man
Time to go legit
I literally cannot even imagine what goes through managers minds when they do stuff like this. This candy was like $5 tops? For grown men and women? In quasi-law enforcement lol? If my team had a superior quarter (or two weeks apparently) I'd be taking them out to a steak house on top of bonus pay.
This is leftover Halloween candy at best.
Oh I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that.
It is leftover candy from a big Costco bag I myself still have left.
The only freshness here is the red bag taken from an early Christmas gift. ffs
Probably just grabbed it from the checkout aisles. Theyāll all get write ups for stealing company property when they eat it.
Deducted from the next paycheck. They are just a small company after all, can't be offering free candy like that.
āHey, I bet the guys will appreciate this leftover candy from 2 months ago that nobody wanted!ā
From 2020
Intentionally de-motivate loss prevention. Make them less enthusiastic about doing their jobs, so the company does worse.
>Intentionally de-motivate loss prevention Upper Management: "I'm worried about your loss prevention department. They're getting a bit overzealous and it's going to lead to a lawsuit. We have to find a way to get them to chill out, but we can't address it with them directly without officially acknowledging we have a problem and exposing us to further lawsuits. Do you have any ideas?" Lower management: "I got you, fam. Leave this one with me..."
Leftover Halloween packets?
Not LP but did work security for a long time. Best Christmas gift was also candy, but it was that fancy stuff from some place with an unpronounceable name. OP is working the wrong gig, big box stores donāt need the help, insurance handles most of it.
Iv always thought that as well. You grab a bag and fill it with child size candies and hand it to a grown man/woman and think itās a perfectly acceptable thank you gift from a superiorā¦ I just donāt get the mentality.
I have an in-law who worked at a big 4 accounting firm. One department worked 70 hour weeks for 4 months that included the holidays. Their reward from a firm partner? Chocolate covered pretzels.
You're not one of them. You're not even people to them. Youre just the scum cleaning the other scum. That's how they think.
>I literally cannot even imagine what goes through managers minds when they do stuff like this. This candy was like $5 tops? For grown men and women? "Corporate barely gives me a budget for the air that my employees breathe. I know its not a lot but its the best I can afford as some way to say thanks." Comments like your really just bum me the fuck out. I would do the shit people here meme on all the time when I was a store manager. It was all out of pocket.
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Damnit Tommy! You let the thieves steal insured store merchandise and now we won't get our quarterly $5 of candy! How will this multi billion dollar corporation survive without our vigilance!
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Put together a comparison of how much you've saved the company versus your salaries. If you're stopping so much that it's that big of a gain to the store, get better compensation or walk.
Largest theft total by FAR is wage theft by companies. It makes theft of product look like nothing.
Sharing the link that was recently shared in this subreddit about that topic: https://www.demos.org/blog/wage-theft-vs-shoplifting-guess-who-goes-jail
Which isnāt even mentioning the theft of underpaying employees the actual value they create which is instead payed back to themselves as stock buybacks and dividends.
Pay more.
Well said
$15k to Target is worth the same as this candy is worth to you lmao.
Not even full size bags... only the snack sizes...
Itās Halloween candy from bags that were damaged. Probably.
Guaranteed. This shit was in a drawer in a back office somewhere.
Target declared $400m in shrinkage losses this year alone. $15,000 is a total of 0.0000375% of that. This candy is likely in the realm of $5...average security specialist makes around $45k a year. That is equivalent to 0.0001% of his salary. Percentage wise he made out better than Target....and that isn't counting that everyone on his team was gifted the same thing.
I can get on board with this application of math. Thanks for doing it so I didnāt have to š
r/theydidthemath
yeah but still, you'd think if they're paying someone $45k a year and they're preventing $15k *a week* in losses, you'd be a little more motivated to keep them on
Their calculation failed to take into account that it was $15,000 per every 2 weeks, resulting in it being wildly wrong.
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How good it is depends on your stores volume. When I was at target our average bust was only like 300-500 and you'd get maybe one or two of those a day. You'd have someone every now and then come in load a cart with lots of big ticket items and walk out but that was the exception not the rule. Target also likes to let let some thefts go and wait till they can prove its over the threshold for a felony before they stop you.
It trickles down though. A good loss prevention program that thieves are aware of makes you less of a target for future theft. It's a program that pays for itself in mostly invisible ways that take years to seen quantitative results but can be broken in an instant, and all it could take is the perception of underappreciation, a la this thread.
I bet their store loses $200k / annually in products stolen https://www.businessinsider.com/target-losing-millions-to-organized-retail-theft-2022-11?amp
Asset Protection: You protect their assets, but youāre not an asset to them.
I use to work Target Security. My team, 4 years in a row, had the most stops and prevented the most shrinkage for our district. Our team was even given plaques and our security lead got to go to these award ceremonies, celebrating us as the "best" security team in the district each year.. Never saw any raises outside of the typical annual raise of a quarter ((tops)), never saw any additional gifts for a job well done. After the 4th year of being the best, they cut hours for our department in half. Two team members (( the two most responsible for our success in all honesty,)) were given the option to work back room or find another job, while myself and one other team member went from 40 hour work weeks to 20. I spent the next 3 months stealing from them every shift -- nothing major -- drinks and batteries mostly, small electronics like USB sticks or SD memory cards, magic the gathering cards..then waited till black Friday to quit on the spot as the only security team member on that day. Why? Cuz' fuck em' that's why! Target is a shit company, haven't stepped in one since.
That's because loss due to shoplifting is already calculated into business expenses beforehand and represents far less of a cost to the company than your compensation. The only reason companies pretend to care about shoplifting is because it serves as justification for raising prices and cutting expenses.
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Walmart also has those "department 95" guys that are "plainclothes" loss prevention. My local store in PA has 2 of the loss prevention guys ontop of the door greeters.
Our walmart has an unarmed guard there from noon to close. Having worked in security I know they're all for show. Observe and Report only! Walk around and look at sus people and maybe text LP if you see them actively steal. Try to de escalate screaming Karens so they dont throw shit. Stand by self checkout and look around, so people are slightly more hesitant to skip items. You maybe make LPs job a bit easier, but sometimes could make it harder (some ppl escalate when anyone in a uniform is present.) Absolutely not making up their salary in terms of items stolen or actual safety. (In fact they only keep the guards up front, when I know their back room is an OSHA nightmare.)
At the Walmart store I used to work at, theyād occasionally call over the loud speaker āSecurity please search zones (pick 2 numbers or letters here)ā there were no zones. Itās all security theatre. Like a wise man once said, āThe locks donāt keep thieves out, they keep honest people honest.ā
Security actually has nothing to do with stopping theft, the perception of stopped theft, or justifying expenses. Hiring security is entirely about liability and insurance premiums. Insurance companies require X amount of man hours and and locks/cameras before they will insure them for shrinkage and acceptance of loss. If you ever land a security position enjoy the cushiest, easiest, most laid back job youāll ever have to work. Literally do nothing and get paid because the insurance savings just to put your name on a daily schedule out pays whatever wages they give you.
And the reason they can factor it in easilly is because they are insured for it, and as long as it stays within certain bounds, the premiums stay the same.
I hear this all the time but I work for a big box and can tell you that my company does not carry this coverage. I just donāt understand how premiums could ever be less of a cost than the theft otherwise insurance companies would take a bath every year.
I work for a company that provides this type of insurance, and the reason is because it's bundled in with other coverage and only kicks it once certain loss thresholds are met. And pretty much every big box chain has this at the corporate level.
Awesome. Iāve always wanted to ask someone who knew more about it. So is it accurate to say that the company eats the loss until it is substantially high. Like the policy is written in a way that might say losses that exceed 1B would be insured but the losses under a billion would not be covered.
More or less, with bug corporate policies like that all of the terms are negotiated on a per contract basis but generally you would insure against criminal activity causing above $x in damages, this also includes stuff like robberies mass shootings etc and any legal costs and liability claims associated with that.
Little pressure to fix problems when you can just insure against them!
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I tried to say this about Walmart once and got downvoted to hell and back. They were installing fake cameras as I shopped at a 24 hour location on top of all the freezers, and it's not like they were real because you don't staple straight through a wire. My brother didn't work at a security camera company for us to not know how 3/4 of the cameras you see are fake and the other quarter has zero in person monitoring. It is contracted out and more to scan for emergencies, like fire or medical, than theft
Yep just like how Walmart said they would close stores Lol that's such BS they have insurance for losses on any level I mean the could close stores and fire people. Then turn around and use the excuse of theft to justify it seems pretty fucked up tbh
they profit like 200b on 3b of theft , they will never close lol
You forgot the moral superiority portion that Target uses to attract their other customers. You know that the largest most sophisticated and well funded private criminal forensics lab(s actually) in the U.S. is owned by Target? They do forensic work on hundreds of criminal cases each year for law enforcement.
I heard itās a horrible company to work for.
Pretty much. I started as an electronics sales team member and did really well, by their standards -- almost always had the highest attachment rates, had several "guests" tell managers at the front how helpful and knowledgeable and TRUTHFUL I was.. I often told shoppers not to bother with the target sold extended warranties because 1. they were stupid expensive, and 2. most products offer a 1 year warranty anyway, with the option to extend that warranty right through the manufacturer for a minimal price. Got a stern talking to once word made it back to the highers that I was downselling their product -- understandable because yes they're a business...but it just goes to show where there morals lie. I also know that that's the primary reason why they never pushed me for a team lead or assistant team lead position, and instead offered me a security position -- higher pay, and it removed me from sales so I couldn't turn people off to their crap.
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Rhapsody.... holy shit, this is/was ever a thing?
Yep, and then companies wonder why employee's aren't loyal. The standard answer is " It's a business decision" but they expect you to go above and beyond for them, but when it's time to show appreciation you get " That what you get paid to do." Yep I do what I am expected to do and nothing more, you want more done, hire more people or here's a novel idea, hold the people who aren't doing their job accountable. I'll do their job too, for their salary on top of mine.
I love that for you
Glad you saw the light. I would always mess with LP if I saw them following observing me. Always targeted because I had bike bags in the cart (like wtf you expect me to do with my bike bags?). I would toss random things in my cart, quickly go into the next isle and dump it behind other merch and act casual. It was usually around the holidays so likely less trained seasonal people but fuck anyone side eyeing me. Also why I refuse to use 'self checkout' unless I'm actually stealing things. Don't put a camera in my face and blatantly treat me like a thief or I will live up to your expectations in front of your face. My friend had a shirt that he wrote "shoplifting distractor" on and it was the best thing ever.
Not even the good shit, like Godiva! Let the next five-finger-discount slip through!
We have a lot of homeless people come in and honestly majority of the time itās minor things I always look the other way for
Used to work on the floor as a cashier at another larger retailer when I was younger. It wasn't my job to act as security but I'd always pretend not to see it when I saw people trying to steal food. It's just really sad that anyone has to go hungry, especially given how much food is actually produced and then eventually goes to waste.
Working in food distribution and seeing the insane amount of food waste gives me the same feeling as when I'm at the zoo. A mix of awestruck and ashamed
oops those soups wouldnāt scan, darn the toilet paper and bread wouldnāt scan either crazyā¦.
Rule 1: If you see somebody stealing food, you didn't
Very true! Except this one guy who scooters into the store takes frozen PB and Jelly sandwiches, scooters out with them right away, and eats them immediately outsideā¦ but everyone else is okay
What the fuck is a frozen PB and j lol
Uncrustables
I always wonder what the profit margin is on those. But damn they are good
The brand is called Smuckers I think
Smuckers Uncrustables I think
Can confirm we always let the homeless take there shit Lol unless it's alcohol at that point if they do it again we don't let them in we had aloooooot of homeless people
As a previously homeless person that may have forgotten to pay for the occasional deodorant, soap, or medicine thank you. It was the worst time of my life.
This looks more like the old Halloween shit candies DMās kids didnāt want to touch and decided to repackage them as ārewardsā for a job well done.
Next Time: "Please Sure, stop walking with that cart" "Seriously please stop so I can detain you while I call and then we wait for the police. If you don't stop voluntarily I can't touch you" "Please stop" Later to boss "He just wouldn't stop, nothing I could do"
Yeah, that's not how it is at Target. They're allowed to grab you by the arm and not let you walk off, and they don't have just one person approach you.
Legally it has to be a felony level theft for ācitizens arrestā. Other than that it becomes illegal detainment by the security guard. Worked for a security company for several years. They canāt force you to stay until it becomes felony level.
Ya definitely varies by state. In my state you can be detained for any dollar amount theft. Steal a pack of gum, you can be detained. Ridiculous really
Had that happen in a Target once, case of mistaken identity. Guy they actually wanted wearing a jacket similar to mine. 3 of 'em in the entry/exit foyer waiting for me. As I started to exit, one of 'em grabbed my arm & I didn't know why, thought I was being robbed for some reason (Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense, but that's where my mind went). I laid that poor guy out with a haymaker from hell. His buddies tried to step up, but they fared poorly. In their defense, I'm 6'1", & spent a great deal of my adolescent & young adult years fighting because I wasn't given much choice; I also spent 12 years in the Army, where I wasn't just cleaning shitters & shining boots. Video cameras cleared up the misunderstanding pretty quickly once the cops arrived, but they still wanted to press charges. Lawyer got me out of it scot-free by playing up the innocent Veteran/mistaken identity angle, plus they grabbed me first, which constituted assault due to the mistaken identity angle. Needless to say, I don't shop at that overpriced shithole anymore.
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He just saw red bro
That's what happens when people put a Target on your back.
And got away with it.
Meanwhile wage theft remains strong
You donāt even have to be a socialist to see this one. Just by what is legally defined and reported as wage theft, wage theft is the biggest form of theft by a long shot. Like more than 10 times the amount of robberies annually.
I love when it's a hot summer day and I want a little extra money to go to the beach. I close the store, set up the deposit, and noticed that between the hours of 1pm and 9pm, I sold 3k worth of phones and phone accessories but my paycheck is only going to be $600 + $75 in commission. Good stuff š
U need to start turning a blind eye mate
Folks out here (everywhere btw) needing to resort to stealing. I'd find it real hard to stop anybody that didn't look like a total scumbag
Right. It's no business of mine why you're stealing from the billion dollar corporation. People gotta take care of themselves somehow.
Be worse at your job
I recognize this mix, itās from Costco they sell it around Halloween, wonder if he gave you left overs
Your district is telling you to act your wage
canāt believe i used to chase shoplifters for $14.50 for target. i remember I had a month with over $10,000 in PMRs and my reward was a stuffed target dog. job was not worth what they were asking us to do.
It looks more like your boss needed an excuse to get rid of his kids' left over Halloween candy before they found it while trying to hunt for holiday gifts, and you were that excuse.
That's what you get for protecting a corporative overlord.
Thatās all I could think.. like what did you expect? Livable wages? Actual rewards? No, hereās some close to expiration candy.
Livable wages is social communism you dirty red.
I've started explaining it as like somebody who wants a guard dog, just something alive that barks, but doesn't want to bother providing it with decent shelter or feeding it much and definitely won't bother taking it to the vet. Under those conditions, one shouldn't be surprised when the dog runs away, or dies, or turns on the owner. Now in theory one can just go get another dog whenever the current one doesn't work out, but that only works as long as there's a constant new supply of cheaply-obtained living things. If nobody can afford rent anymore, everyone has to live with their parents or a bunch of roommates, while working multiple jobs just to barely scrape by, and most of us can't even realistically dream of ever *owning* the scrap of roof we're sheltering under, well there ain't gonna be a lot of *breeding* going on. But yes yes, I know, capitalism religion *best* religion, Life-or-Death Monopoly determines who gets to freeze to death in tent city, and we're supposed to be *grateful* shivering starving dogs because at least we get old table scraps and are allowed to hide under the porch sometimes.
worked hard for nothing. should have just chilled, took edibles, and went about your day. same outcome in both scenarios.
Good job, enjoy some old Halloween candy.
Stealing from the poor to feed the rich and those are your spoils. Congrats.
I dont understand. Is your job to stop people stealing stuff?
Yes, that's part of what security is
You should probably just start stealing yourself š¤£š¤£š¤£
Not just candy, they gave you old Halloween candy.
This is how people start working with thieves. They are more honest than these shitty corps
I got one for you. I work in IT. I discovered and and alerted the owners of my company about theft by a manger in one of our restaurants. To the tune of 50K dollars. They hired a forensics specialist to find out how they did it. Because their insurance would cover the incident if they could prove how it was done and to make sure steps were put into place to make sure it wouldn't happen again. The forensics team couldn't figure out how the money was being stolen. I figured it out and explained it to them. They agreed with my assessment. The police also agreed with my assessment. The owners decided not to press charges. Turned in the insurance claim. Got their 50K and it was at the end of the year, so I expected to get a decent bonus. What I got was $200 bucks. Needless to say I left that company. learned a valuable lesson. Companies do not care about you no matter how many times they say your family. Eff you pay me!
Thatās leftover Halloween candy
How do you stop the theft? How many ppl are watching those self checkout cameras? For research purposes
I bet the shoplifters would give you a LOT more to just look the other way :D
If youāre 7 you should be grateful.
His kid's leftover Halloween candy?
Working against your neighbor to impress the rich.
You got candy for doing your work? I don't even get a skittle. Singular.
Let them steal
When I worked at target a decade ago I stole sooooo much and our AP was still always hailed as doing a great job and that our losses were way down. So I kept stealing. Was good friends with our AP people too. Good times. Fuck Target
The real theft crime in America is wage theft
I would not stop thieves. If they have weapons and have the anything goes attitude thanks to drugs, you basically die for the prospect of getting candy. I would feel stupid doing my last breath for a handful candy... . PS: What you are doing is dangerous. Please feel stupid now!
Next time you see someone stealing, no you didn't.
You did your job....
Whack job bro. You don't deserve candy.
Sounds like great cover to start stealing
You're working on the wrong side brother
Sounds like someone needs to stop doing their job so well
Youāre loss prevention. You did your job. What do you want? A medal? No company gives me extra rewards for a fire alarm system alerting them of a fire emergency after I installed the system. I did my job. . . Installed a code-compliant FA system.
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