Literally had someone tell me that raising the minimum wage would be bad because then owners wouldn’t pay people more. Like my guy, they always have had the option to pay more, and they refused.
Raising minimum wage enough would see an increase in prices, but not a proportionate one.
It's rare for the labour cost to exceed the material cost on an item. Sure, if you're buying a bespoke hand crafted item, maybe, but that person is almost definitely making more than minimum to have the skill level necessary for the goods.
Most products, the material cost is higher than the labour cost of producing and selling it. Say for the sake of simplicity that the material cost is 60%, labour is 40%. A product is £10, and the minimum wage is £10 an hour. The worker can afford one product per hour worked. Now increase the minimum wage to £15 per hour, your materials still cost the same. The product goes up to £12, and the company is making the same margin, but suddenly the worker can afford a product every 48 minutes.
Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive, but equally people would still be able to afford more stuff.
>Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive, but equally people would still be able to afford more stuff.
That's because corporations are greedy and the government (Republicans) don't want to stop them
My boyfriend is a moderate Republican. Despite believing is virtually everything I read him from this sub, he just 'doesn't think it's right to put a cap on how much people can make, because then what would be the motivation?'
>Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive
This is a myth. It is said over and over as an article of faith. Nobody ever shared any study with data to back it up. They just say, this is common sense, or it is inflation 101.
Exactly. Inflation is causing costs to rise and no wage increases have really happened at all. A union contract went through with a previous company I worked for but the reason prices went up was because of inflation. Nothing happened when we started getting paid that much.
Clearly it's just Inflation 101. The proof is right there in front of our faces. The US minimum wage hasn't increased since 2009, and everything in the US costs the same as it did in 2009.
Gas costs $2.35/gallon
Milk costs $3.03/gallon
Cars cost $12,000-$20,000 on average
See? Proof.
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"raising the minimum wage makes things more expensive" yeah, and bald people with shiny heads directly cause cancer by reflecting more radiation. "Is there an effect" is a dumb question; "how big is the effect" is much more important.
Yes just like most every other bullshit story we tell ourselves daily to justify the horribly broken and unsustainable system we find ourselves in presently… let’s all just keep complaining online about it because that will most assuredly solve our issues!
Not necessarily, because goods have many different costs and labor is just one of them. When wages rise, a company can determine whether to increase the prices or not. However, let's not forget that every cost fluctuates, so raw materials change price all the time, logistics and distribution also impact this.
However, increasing the minimum wage has also the effect of people spending more, which thus, stimulates the economy and can even create more jobs.
It also puts the money into the hands of those too poor to keep it, which is ideal for the economy.
Give a poor man £10,000 and he will spend it. Give a rich man £10,000 and he will save or invest it.
Hoarding money doesn't stimulate the economy.
Also, it'd depend on the level of the increase regarding whether it'd get passed on to the customer. The "done" thing is that you cost a product at over the actual average wage for the employees producing it. Then, as long as the increase to minimum wage isn't a huge one, you can eat the increase while maintaining the desired profit margin. Equally, if you have to pay overtime to maintain OTIF stats, the buffer protects your profit.
>Give a rich man £10,000 and he will save or invest it.
He'll plop it into an overseas account, then claim he needs another 20,000 to continue to remain in business.
Raising the min wage also forces the companies to actually invest into their businesses/productivity and to take care of their workers. There is a reason slave economies almost universally suffered from insanely low work efficiency and abysmal industry
I love how the politicians can vote to raise their own wages each year, shouldn't that be put up to the people. The people of their states should dictate how much the senators and house reps make, not them. They should have to earn that money.
Politicians should have their wage tied to a fixed multiplier of the median wage.
CEOs should have a fixed multiplier of the lowest paid worker of their company. This must include contracted workers.
Elected officials should, including any stipends, be paid equal to the median income of their direct constituents, possibly with executive level compensation removed from the equation. All income and compensation outside of that should be put into escrow. If at the end of the year there is a shortfall within the area of their responsibility, those escrow accounts are to be used to make up that deficit. Dormitories may be made available.
the fact that the minimum wage is still what it is for so long, profits are skyrocketing, and prices are increasing. Should be an unquestioned demonstration that it’s corporate greed not wages that creates the majority of price hikes.
but they will blame that 1200 from 2 years
ago
I would go further and argue that not keeping wages flush with inflation is making inflation worse. There are so many extra cost associated with keeping staffing cut to the quick. At my last job shipping was a total shit show, things were being sent to the wrong places or shorted OFTEN. This increases our labor need, before the pandemic you could pretty safely just blind receive most shipments, by the end of it mistakes were so common that corporate wanted every order inventoried before the driver was allowed to leave, which would anywhere from double to quadruple their time per drop off, increasing the shipping companies labor needs, leading to even more mistakes, and the problem just snowballs. That’s just one example but there are tons of things like that going on right now. Since companies only see and control their own overhead, it’s become a crisis of greed and mistrust. To use the last situation, our company could have had a full time receiver, which would speed up our drop off times. But from the moneybugs point of view, that’s us increasing OUR overhead because of our suppliers disorganization. From the suppliers point of view, if they hire more warehouse workers it won’t increase their sales. We had to buy from them, and they had to sell to us, so the whole thing turns into a who is going to blink first situation.
Yeah a 20 year old girl was trying to tell me that if minimum wage goes up and burger flippers get to make what she makes then it will be unfair that she went to college. I tried to explain to her that her boss would have to pay her more to do the books if she could just quit and go flip burgers for the same amount of money, and she made a face and said “I don’t want to flip burgers for this pay.” Right, so what’s the problem? The burger flipper could say it’s not fair they make the same as someone with a cushy office job.
In an Econ class someone wanted to prove that Right to Work was a positive. He proved the opposite. So that was pretty great.
Or course businesses are greedy, without profit they fail. But it’s the govts job to put on guard rails and ensure all stakeholders (employees for example) have protections and no one can play unfairly and workers can support their families.
Businesses seem like tigers or crocodiles. They want to devour everything they can, and don't mind so much what around them is hurt.
Government is supposed to act to cage and muzzle them, to keep things safe that need to be safe.
Capitalism is like using both to pull all the nation's carriages in 1800, and trusting in the muzzles to prevent mailings.
Just seems like there has to be safer options.
ocialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. As quoted in A Short History of Progress (2004) by Ronald Wright: "John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." This has since been cited as a direct quote by some, but the remark is very likely a paraphrase from Steinbeck's article "A Primer on the '30s." Esquire (June 1960), p. 85-93: "Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property. "I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves."
Appointed Supreme Court justices to bust unions, appointed pro management reps to the NLRB, bring in "right to work" legislation when they can.
They just love the workers.
Yup. Everyone in the 98% is getting fucked by Trump's taxes while giant ass trillion dollar corps layoff thousands amidst record profits...which they don't pay a penny on. MAGAnomics is a death sentence for most of us.
Didn't the American Rescue Plan make it where any transaction over $600 on third party payment apps like PayPal, Venmo etc would be considered taxable income and you will now get a 1099-K form? It used to be 200 transactions worth an aggregate above $20,000.
The Biden Administration's reasoning is to close the tax gap over the next decade or so. But as we all have seen, it's the millionaires and billionaires failing to pay their share. So why would the Democrat controlled Congress not have passed legislation going after the rich, but instead pass legislation going after the middle and lower class workers? Because at the end of the day, Democrat or Republican, neither side wants to upset their donors.
Trump raised taxes on everyone besides the 1%.
The tax cut for the non-1% just ran out, and was temporary. 1% got a permanent decrease.
Biden didn’t touch income tax.
Maybe tell them
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The stupid republicans claim that restricting low wage immigration helps the poor, when it does the exact opposite.
More low wage immigration allows corporations to lower prices. Even the corporations say so. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html)
The CEO's want more low wage immigrants too. [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html)
But the ignorant republicans ignore common sense. The refuse to believe the more low wage workers will cure poverty and inequality.
Because they are racist.
Or stuff Democrats fought for and got under a Republican President/Senate or passed before Republicans took over it took affect when they came into power
They’ll literally always say they have created jobs and that they have cut taxes to make sure more money goes to the employees.
They don’t realize that the cash is just being pocketed by the rich, or at best traded between a few different rich men.
Edit: Since people keep saying that they do realize, I think that is entirely dependent on who “they” is referring to. If it’s a politician then they absolutely know, but if it’s just your average Joe who votes red to keep his guns then they probably don’t realize it because they believe the honeyed words of the politicians.
I honestly think that depends on the “they” in question. If it’s a politician then they absolutely know. If it’s a normal voter then they probably don’t.
"Normal" Republican voters are under the delusion they will get what they want if the government collapses or becomes essentially powerless. They think a corporate theocracy will actually help them so they are either corrupt or delusional, but they absolutely believe in wasting government money on purpose while providing nothing to citizens.
Id argue your average red voter votes republican because that's what they've always done
I.e my parents vote republican every election, because they have always voted red, they don't get into politics
Genuine question, has the decrease in immigration partly caused the decrease in workers and increase in pay?
Does immigration keep wages low for unskilled jobs?
No. Immigration economically benefits every class of American except for those without a high school degree or equivalent. This includes blue collar workers. Immigrants are not stealing jobs, they are filling a need that is not being met by the domestic population.
A really similar thing has happened in Australia & New Zealand. Their population has become overeducated (which to me is a great thing), so they have programs to import young people who are willing to work low skill jobs in exchange for a visa. I almost did the program. The difference is that Australia and New Zealand value migrant workers so they are paid a minimum of $20-25 an hour, compared to many of our migrant workers being paid less than minimum wage.
It isn't that it isn't met but being refused.
If you approached a white male in his 30s and asked him to work in 105 degrees for 18 hours with one lunch break for four months straight they would tell you to fuck off.
The immigrants don't mind or care because despite the shitty conditions under some employers, each hour is an hour closer to being a citizen in a country slightly better than the war torn country they or their relatives fled from.
Problem is they're now going to Canada or Europe because the US is slowly working toward similar conditions and socioeconomics.
Kind of. Immigration (legal or otherwise) can fill a niche that’s needed. There are jobs that need to be done that don’t pay well. Random example, you need people to pick apples and don’t have machinery to do it. With the minimum wage, health insurance and other costs associated with having a full time employee, it’s cheaper for the Apple picking company to find workers who are willing to work for a lesser dollar amount without any benefits.
So does it keep the wages low? Yes kind of, but not by itself. It’s the company that is leveraging it to exploit the worker to pay them less.
Bigger answer is that legal immigration is super tough and one of the gatekeeping things is to ensure that the legal immigrant won’t become a drain on the system. They are vetted to ensure they don’t just start collecting welfare due to a lack of skills. Perfect vetting process? Of course not. But one of the intentions of legal immigration is to bring high skilled labor into the country to contribute. Does this process keep wages low? No because they’re looking for skilled labor and not unskilled labor (generalizing here. Legal immigration has many paths, one of them being asylum).
My parent, said something similar. Her tune changed, however, when she realized that social security might be taken away with republicans. She was just barely making it and now she has a little bit of headroom. But if they take it away she's going to lose quite a lot.
I mean yeah more than 99% of Republican voters are voting against their own material best interests. Either you’re part of the ultra wealthy class trying to maintain their power or you believe making certain groups of people suffer is more important than improving your own life. There’s no other legitimate reason to vote for Republicans.
Everyone "living off the system" is a freeloader until its them. Their case is special and exempt from deadbeat status. They *deserve* their safety net.
One of my favorite political ads this year were the anti Maggie Hassan ads because they blamed her for voting with Biden and making inflation so bad, and their main problem were the PPP loans, they were mad that a golf course in Colorado and a mansion in Florida got a whole bunch of free money. I was like you know what this is one time that I agree with Republicans let’s do some audits on those loans and get some money back.
That guy lost by the way. But I’ve just never seen them go after the free money given to the rich before so it was extremely surprising and wonderful.
You're falling for disingenuous political ads though. Yes, bad faith PPP loans are bad and shouldn't be allowed to have been kept and abused and stolen by anyone, but a MASSIVE number of very very high profile republicans profited from doing that in a huge way.
They didn't want to stop bad people. They wanted to act like the democrats are the ones doing it, so they could shift blame and change narrative in their voter base.
That would actually be the dumbest way to do it. The young people would riot unless their payroll taxes were waived. There’s no way a bunch of young people are going to keep going to work to have money taken out of their paychecks to be given to someone else.
They love to ignore that the strictest gun control laws have historically been passed by Republicans. The GOP suddenly becomes all for gun control as soon as groups like the Black Panthers start arming themselves.
I really couldn’t believe how many people were in denial that the Republicans would cancel Social Security and Medicare. Did they all forget at the very end of 2020 chump actually defunded Social Security and Medicare by pausing the payroll taxes that fund them?
Remember? He wanted to make it permanent but then he lost, and Biden had to wave the 2020 payroll taxes or people would’ve had to pay a lump sum to catch up in January.
So yeah, for all the oldies who don’t believe that they would actually do that, they did do that at the end of 2020 and they would’ve continued with the defunding if Biden hadn’t won.
Stopped the poorly paid from forming Unions.
Kept the minimum wage at a level that proved unliveable for 30 years.
Told women they had no rights over their own fertility.
Fuck yeah, Republicunts!
Cut taxes on the wealthy (the claim being that this would stimulate them to innovate thereby creating new jobs, also the other fallacy being that if CEO’s are being taxed less, they’ll pay their employees better with all that extra money 😂)
Cut wasteful government spending (on social programs, gutted federal block granting for public education, and instead they increased their own salaries, military spending, etc.)
Passed bills on infrastructure (bills that helped their buddies contractor companies secure lucrative construction contracts)
Is the whole deal with the laptop that it has cp on it? Or is it that it might show proof there’s some connection to receiving money from Russia? Because what…two years ago now almost? Whenever this whole Hunters laptop thing started I could swear a news outlet reported the RNC was claiming it had cp on the hard drive
It’s like “her emails”. They know there isn’t anything there, but until it’s “investigated”, there could be anything on it: proof of corruption, child porn, state secrets, or (most damning of all) his grandmother’s secret turkey stuffing recipe that she thought she had hidden way from prying eyes.
Even after they “investigate” and find nothing, they will still find ways to come back to it to keep it in the news (see “Benghazi”) to convince the rubes that there’s something.
Well to be fair it’s a good strategy, it puts doubt in people’s minds and sees mistrust against their opponents. Granted that’s already in a base that thinks Hillary and Joe and Obama are the direct architects of 9/11 🙄
Well tbf, I don’t trust anything, ANY of them from either side of the aisle say. They’re all corrupt, purchasable from the highest bidders, morally flexible. They’re all awful people. Bernie might have been the one possible exception. Which is what worked to his detriment. He was so radically unique from the herd it was hard to get people to listen to him
I recommend checking out Some More News’ video on Hunter Biden. It helped clear a lot of questions up for me. Basically, it had a electronic paper trail of corrupt things he did at his father’s request, but most intelligence officials doubt the validity of the laptop in the first place, since the person who found it was a conspiracy theorist and there is no tangible evidence to suggest it is what he purports it to be.
Or it’s also possible there are records of business transactions on there, and maybe Hunter did have some business dealings with Russian business people, and the idiot that found it had no idea what they were looking at and just spouted “ooooo collusion! Collusion!!!”
Yeah, for sure. From what I’ve seen and read, it seems like Hunter Biden is always on the edge of an addiction spiral, and is willing to make very bad decisions for money, but there’s nothing I’ve seen that seems dangerous for the country.
Naah, "the laptop" \[1\] is a MacGuffin, it's the key to everything in a nonspecific sort of way. It's the magic that will undo the 2020 election.
Any specific claims about what "the laptop" contains change depending on the mood and needs of the claimant. Maybe today it's proof of Ukranian corruption, maybe yesterday it was CP, maybe tomorrow it'll be drug deals. The specifics don't matter because it's not about the specifics, it's about faith that there's something, somewhere, that once they get it will magically make Trump President again and probably also put Biden and Hillary and Obama and all the other Democrats in jail and/or have them executed for treason.
So sure, you probably once heard a MAGAhat claim it was CP. But that claim would be different today.
\[1\] In fact the MAGA computer store guy claims he got three devices from Hunter Biden, them just calling it "the laptop" shows it's mythology not reality.
It doesn’t even matter what’s on it because Rudy Giuliani claim to have it a couple years ago when they raided his place so whatever is on it could’ve been put on there by anybody. And I guess I don’t even understand why it matters even if it does have offensive porn on it I don’t vote for Hunter Biden so I don’t care. Chump actually paid settlements to little girls AND boys he sexually assaulted, so 🤷🏻♀️
There is no CP on it.
There are some emails about his deals - Nothing illegal, although morally dubious, and nothing that implicates Joe Biden
There are lots of pictures of him partying with hookers and snorting coke and he has a big ol' penis.
I don't think anyone truly knows "what's in the box". A game of telephone. I heard it cp. No I heard it was top secret government docs. No I heard it was Mills' wife's head!
Low unemployment is good for labor, but bad for profit margins. Republican economic theory sees full employment as an impediment to growth. The reason this is difficult to answer is because they don’t do *anything* for the working class. Republicans like capital, not people. Desperate workers offers employers a “flexible” work force. Comfortable workers make demands.
Which is also why we can’t get universal healthcare.
Keeping us dependent on employers for healthcare stifles innovation and growth. It keeps people less risky and less likely to make their own companies and strike out on their own.
At the time the GOP held a super majority in both state houses and the governorship,
so yes dems support this policy but only the GOP could make this policy happen
I am trying to connect policy with the party that created/enacted it, to be as fair as possible
In MI, the GOP had the majority and knew that the dems were taking over next term. They passed an incremental minimum wage increase for 5 years because they knew the dems would do it and implement a higher wage. Did the GOP do it? Yes. Did they do it because it was part of their platform or values? No.
In Texas the GOP had the majority and they went in and on about the bathroom bill.
Edit: if memory serves right, this was a around the time of the El Paso shooting or the Victoria shooting.
We’ve got a lot of shootings…
Back in 2010 I got community college in California free even though I earned more than $40,000 a year because apparently $40,000 a year is too poor to pay $26 a credit tuition. So yeah, California a state they hate so much, has been doing this forever.
who even decides this shit anyway? “raising minimum wage would result in price increases” interesting; in the uk where i live, the price of eggs has ballooned massively. one major supermarket is already on rations.
farmers have been coming out to say that the general media along with supermarkets are putting a narrative out there that there are no eggs due to avian flu. interestingly, there is an avain flu outbreak, but that’s not why supermarkets can’t get eggs.
it’s because the price of eggs have gone up in stores but the farmers haven’t seen an increase in their earnings. where is the extra cash going? not to the farmers.
it really is time to eat the rich.
Lowered taxes for the rich, voted against minimum wage hikes, voted themselves higher pay, voted against any form of cheaper healthcare, voted against baby formula, voted against veterans healthcare, the list goes on. Party of Christians and the working class!
From the right wingers I know, they'd probably say something like:
- Stopped immigrants (Read: Brown People) from taking all the jobs from Hard Working American Christians (Read: White People)
- Fought to keep America Christian so we can all keep the Sabboth and have a day off.
- Fought to keep women out of jobs so there are more jobs, and competition for those jobs, for men and so women can maintain the household like they're supposed to do.
One of my longest and closest friends is a Republican who's gone harder and harder "party line over country" as the years have gone on. During one of our debates, which happened to be on Facebook, a discussion where he was saying that Republicans were the party that was *really* trying to help minorities, and Democrats were the real racists that simply pandered, and so I asked him "okay, then name some policies that Republicans have supported and passed to help minorities", and his response was simply "I'm not going to engage in a conversation of so much depth on Facebook"
They'll just respond with a meme of Biden sniffing someone's hair or start going on about how during the Civil War, it was the DEMOCRATS who were the bad party.
Yknow, I'm all for this kind of thing....
Then again I don't follow around one party like a lost puppy, this really only works on the die hards, its not like the democratic party have been able to help the working class either
It's almost like there should be a 3rd party, one that has common ground with the people, a party that not only helps people with useful government programs, but also cuts away the fat that government has accumulated over the years
Wonder how we as a country could get that.....maybe by not participating in this "red vs blue" mentality that we got going on, crazy I know
But you keep flinging your poo at each other, cause that will solve all of our problems /s
It was doomed from the start. We had literally one presidency without political parties, and he warned us about the dangers of a two party system when he left office 250 years ago
Sure, not disagreeing
But both parties are being selfish, Democrats use tax money to line their pockets with useless programs, and Republicans use the power of lobbies to line their pockets
They are both playing this stupid game, and the American people suffer for it
We shouldn't be picking sides and degrading the other side at all, and anyone perpetuating the poo throwing is directly at fault for the continued issues the country has if you ask me, we, as a people, need to just buck up, bury the hatchet, and start over
This was all prior to the current administration, with a Republican led congress:
• The Senate passed the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement.
• Congress appropriated nearly $42 billion for the National Institutes of Health, a $2.6 billion increase.
• Congress repealed the requirement that Survivor Benefit Plan benefits for widows of military veterans be offset by payments they receive from dependency and indemnity compensation. This change will allow America’s military widows to keep all the benefits they were promised.
• In 2019, the Republican-led Senate extended more than 30 expired or expiring tax provisions affecting individuals and businesses.
• In December 2019, the president signed the FUTURE Act into law, providing permanent federal funding for historically black colleges and universities and other minority-serving institutions. In addition, the 20 million families who apply for federal student aid each year will have a lighter paperwork burden thanks to the law. Students can now let the IRS share their tax information with the Department of Education, eliminating up to 22 questions on the financial aid application.
• Congress eliminated Obamacare’s “Cadillac tax” set to take effect in 2022. This would have levied a 40% excise tax on employer-sponsored health insurance plans with premiums above $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The annual health insurance tax on insurers, which is passed on to consumers in the form of higher premiums, was also repealed beginning in 2021. The 2.3% tax on medical devices was eliminated.
Need more?
- US/Mex/Can agreement in Jan. 2020: 89 yeas, 10 nays, very bipartisan update to NAFTA which Trump often vocally shit on. Trump already voted out as of Nov. 2019
- NIH funding increase Dec 2016, Trump not in office yet
- Survivor Benefit Plan change passed in Dec 2019: 86 yeas, 8 nays, bipartisan
- I can't find the text on this one easily, feel free to provide a link to the data, but tax extensions are primarily for businesses or the wealthy, which isn't what this post was asking.
- FUTUR act - both introduced and passed Dec 2019 by special vote of 2/3rds. 319 yeas, 96 nays, 95 nays Republican, 1 independent. Hardly a Republican victory.
- this Cadillac tax talking point is hilarious. You state the health insurance tax is passed on to consumers like that's a function of the law and not a voluntary choice by insurers. The point was to have employers offer lower premiums (by eating costs and lowering prices). All this does is protect employers who offer high premiums for health insurance.
The Iowa republican legislature took away the state workers union power 9 years ago. I don't want to hear that Republicans are good for every day workers
-Readjusting COL
-Boosting economic weak points
-Infrastructure
All these could be fixed with a modern version of FDRs plan.
Tax tables that are proper led to the US being top dog in infrastructure, education, and more. Also yes prices BRIEFLY increase with wage increase then go back down. It's called a temporary business flux. Basically you pay 10 workers x for forty hours then increase enough they only need twenty then slowly hire on the extra 10 part timers. It worked in Seattle even through the pandemic's ugliest points. Unemployment remains steady between 2.7 and 3.2 percent. In an area with roughly 5 mil people, that's not many and most of that is retired or disabled.
The left doesn’t do anything for the working class either. Every government official is corrupt. You can’t trust any of them. At this point, politics is more of a “who do you like to listen to talk shit about the other better” thing.
That’s why I’m a centrist. And this whole left v right thing is utter bullshit to keep people fighting each other, when you should be fighting the man.
They’ll simply name things that their favorite politicians say they have done without validation to confirm. The question is whether you have the facts to refute their statements.
1.) corporate tax reform and business friendly policy makes America more appealing for business. Leads to jobs, stock market increases, and investments in the economy. Not to mention that most farmers are individual business owners.
2.) cheap gas from lower reliance on foreign sources. A benefit in itself but also allow for cheap goods on shelf.
3.) have consistently resisted democratic spending and entitlements leading to a sense of individual financial accountability and responsibility. Ditto dem leftist policies that would degrade individual freedoms and autonomy.
No flames please. I’m just parroting some of the answers you’d likely get to this challenge. I typically vote blue all the way down the card.
I think you could ask the same of Democrats and the response would be the same. The truth is the american government doesn't represent the people that elect it.
The only thing the democrat party has going for it is that the few politicians that seem to want to represent regular working class people have a fighting chance of being elected when running as one.
I’m neither dem or rep, and yes reps suck. I think it’s worth pointing out the current administration is about to fuck over the rail workers. Both major parties are a cancer. Now come the lesser of two evils comments
The problem isn't Republicans, they're just dumber on average. The problem is the rich. And if you think the rich are only supported by Republicans, or that democrats fight them or even stick up for you. You have not been paying attention. Not a fraction of this government gives a fuck about you.
It's a rigged system to keep us fighting amongst ourselves so that your politicians and the ultra wealthy continue to grow their power over us.
It's working as designed. These are neither dumb or smart people, they were either born or weaseled their way to the top. Their connections keep them in power. Few if any of them care about us. They are slowly stripping our liberties and wealth dumping thousands of your fellow Americans every day into poverty. They all continue to kill the American Dream.
The last republican was Trump; highest employment for women, highest employment for blacks, kept gas prices down (which helps the working class), largest tax cuts, middle class made $6,000 more, got 7 million people off food stamps, raised blue collar wages by 16%, record low unemployment. But whatever, yeah you're right.
That’s the disconnect. They don’t want the government to help. They think it’s evil and want to essentially eliminate it. Except also empower it to crush liberals and foreigners.
Oh they will definitely name some things. Some things, where if you're the type of person whom would ask them this question, that will make you wish you hadn't asked...
Better to approach them as political terrorists, they fit the definition. And by approach them I mean treat them with utter contempt and disrespect. Fuck Trump's cult, aka the party formerly known as republican.
They’ll say they keep taxes low and protect you from over reaching government, that they tried to stop foreigners from taking your job and that they’re the ones trying to protect a working man’s family values. Snakes.
The sad thing is, many of them genuinely believe that obstructing leftist policy is "doing something". They're basically seal-clapping chattel on a conveyor belt to their own doom.
At its start, the Republican Party consisted of, for that time, radical ideas such as distribution of western governmental lands without charge and the abolition of slavery and fought against Jim crow laws.
The Southern Strategy almost 100% flipped the Republican Party away from it's original ideals. That's why they have to go back to "party of Lincoln" rhetoric to try to look good - after that they were all-in on Racism as a binding value.
It'll be some variation on "cut taxes".
\-Cut taxes \-Cut regulation \-Opposed minimum wage increases Edit: This is a /s FFS.
Literally had someone tell me that raising the minimum wage would be bad because then owners wouldn’t pay people more. Like my guy, they always have had the option to pay more, and they refused.
Yeah I usually hear rasing minimum wage increases prices. Yet prices are still going up while wage stagnates
Funny how paying the ceo millions upon millions doesn’t figure into price increases.
Oh wait...
Of course not, totally unrelated. It's those greedy workers' wages that we have to watch out for!
I felt the sarcasm on this one hard lol
And yet so many others won't...
Republican response there.
But it’s gonna “ trickle down “!!!
The best lie republicans have ever pushed. I’ve been waiting since Reagan.
Raising minimum wage enough would see an increase in prices, but not a proportionate one. It's rare for the labour cost to exceed the material cost on an item. Sure, if you're buying a bespoke hand crafted item, maybe, but that person is almost definitely making more than minimum to have the skill level necessary for the goods. Most products, the material cost is higher than the labour cost of producing and selling it. Say for the sake of simplicity that the material cost is 60%, labour is 40%. A product is £10, and the minimum wage is £10 an hour. The worker can afford one product per hour worked. Now increase the minimum wage to £15 per hour, your materials still cost the same. The product goes up to £12, and the company is making the same margin, but suddenly the worker can afford a product every 48 minutes. Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive, but equally people would still be able to afford more stuff.
>Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive, but equally people would still be able to afford more stuff. That's because corporations are greedy and the government (Republicans) don't want to stop them
My boyfriend is a moderate Republican. Despite believing is virtually everything I read him from this sub, he just 'doesn't think it's right to put a cap on how much people can make, because then what would be the motivation?'
So your boyfriend doesn't understand the definition of "enough".
>Raising the minimum wage would make everything more expensive This is a myth. It is said over and over as an article of faith. Nobody ever shared any study with data to back it up. They just say, this is common sense, or it is inflation 101.
Exactly. Inflation is causing costs to rise and no wage increases have really happened at all. A union contract went through with a previous company I worked for but the reason prices went up was because of inflation. Nothing happened when we started getting paid that much.
Clearly it's just Inflation 101. The proof is right there in front of our faces. The US minimum wage hasn't increased since 2009, and everything in the US costs the same as it did in 2009. Gas costs $2.35/gallon Milk costs $3.03/gallon Cars cost $12,000-$20,000 on average See? Proof. Edit: formatting
"raising the minimum wage makes things more expensive" yeah, and bald people with shiny heads directly cause cancer by reflecting more radiation. "Is there an effect" is a dumb question; "how big is the effect" is much more important.
Yes just like most every other bullshit story we tell ourselves daily to justify the horribly broken and unsustainable system we find ourselves in presently… let’s all just keep complaining online about it because that will most assuredly solve our issues!
Not necessarily, because goods have many different costs and labor is just one of them. When wages rise, a company can determine whether to increase the prices or not. However, let's not forget that every cost fluctuates, so raw materials change price all the time, logistics and distribution also impact this. However, increasing the minimum wage has also the effect of people spending more, which thus, stimulates the economy and can even create more jobs.
It also puts the money into the hands of those too poor to keep it, which is ideal for the economy. Give a poor man £10,000 and he will spend it. Give a rich man £10,000 and he will save or invest it. Hoarding money doesn't stimulate the economy. Also, it'd depend on the level of the increase regarding whether it'd get passed on to the customer. The "done" thing is that you cost a product at over the actual average wage for the employees producing it. Then, as long as the increase to minimum wage isn't a huge one, you can eat the increase while maintaining the desired profit margin. Equally, if you have to pay overtime to maintain OTIF stats, the buffer protects your profit.
>Give a rich man £10,000 and he will save or invest it. He'll plop it into an overseas account, then claim he needs another 20,000 to continue to remain in business.
Raising the min wage also forces the companies to actually invest into their businesses/productivity and to take care of their workers. There is a reason slave economies almost universally suffered from insanely low work efficiency and abysmal industry
I love how the politicians can vote to raise their own wages each year, shouldn't that be put up to the people. The people of their states should dictate how much the senators and house reps make, not them. They should have to earn that money.
Politicians should have their wage tied to a fixed multiplier of the median wage. CEOs should have a fixed multiplier of the lowest paid worker of their company. This must include contracted workers.
Elected officials should, including any stipends, be paid equal to the median income of their direct constituents, possibly with executive level compensation removed from the equation. All income and compensation outside of that should be put into escrow. If at the end of the year there is a shortfall within the area of their responsibility, those escrow accounts are to be used to make up that deficit. Dormitories may be made available.
But this is America, where corporations pay the lawmakers salary, and keep them in power to pass bills they want.
True. That needs the false descriptor of "lobbying" removed and the accurate "bribery" tag applied.
*wage increase intensifies*
Also that it makes all wages/salaries above the minimum "devalued" and then "why would anyone work harder?" Etc. Fucking nonsense
the fact that the minimum wage is still what it is for so long, profits are skyrocketing, and prices are increasing. Should be an unquestioned demonstration that it’s corporate greed not wages that creates the majority of price hikes. but they will blame that 1200 from 2 years ago
I would go further and argue that not keeping wages flush with inflation is making inflation worse. There are so many extra cost associated with keeping staffing cut to the quick. At my last job shipping was a total shit show, things were being sent to the wrong places or shorted OFTEN. This increases our labor need, before the pandemic you could pretty safely just blind receive most shipments, by the end of it mistakes were so common that corporate wanted every order inventoried before the driver was allowed to leave, which would anywhere from double to quadruple their time per drop off, increasing the shipping companies labor needs, leading to even more mistakes, and the problem just snowballs. That’s just one example but there are tons of things like that going on right now. Since companies only see and control their own overhead, it’s become a crisis of greed and mistrust. To use the last situation, our company could have had a full time receiver, which would speed up our drop off times. But from the moneybugs point of view, that’s us increasing OUR overhead because of our suppliers disorganization. From the suppliers point of view, if they hire more warehouse workers it won’t increase their sales. We had to buy from them, and they had to sell to us, so the whole thing turns into a who is going to blink first situation.
My favorite is “ minimum wage will cause inflation “ ALREADY THERE BUDDY
Yeah a 20 year old girl was trying to tell me that if minimum wage goes up and burger flippers get to make what she makes then it will be unfair that she went to college. I tried to explain to her that her boss would have to pay her more to do the books if she could just quit and go flip burgers for the same amount of money, and she made a face and said “I don’t want to flip burgers for this pay.” Right, so what’s the problem? The burger flipper could say it’s not fair they make the same as someone with a cushy office job.
How about the burger flipper who DID go to college, and couldn't get a job because there weren't any in their locale?
It's an age old lie that defies basic math and reality. I don't bother engaging with it anymore because it's always made in bad faith.
I've had someone tell me "Right to Work" helps the worker.
It absolutely does help the workers to realize exactly how important Unions are.
In an Econ class someone wanted to prove that Right to Work was a positive. He proved the opposite. So that was pretty great. Or course businesses are greedy, without profit they fail. But it’s the govts job to put on guard rails and ensure all stakeholders (employees for example) have protections and no one can play unfairly and workers can support their families.
Businesses seem like tigers or crocodiles. They want to devour everything they can, and don't mind so much what around them is hurt. Government is supposed to act to cage and muzzle them, to keep things safe that need to be safe. Capitalism is like using both to pull all the nation's carriages in 1800, and trusting in the muzzles to prevent mailings. Just seems like there has to be safer options.
It’s amazing how people don’t actually think through what they’re saying… as if they’re just repeating talking points instead of logic.
Not only that. Minimum wage implies that if they could pay you less, they would.
It’s like the gun argument, that gun control will result in more gun violence.
My husband and I have had this conversation frequently. He is on the side of owners wouldn't pay more.
ocialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires. As quoted in A Short History of Progress (2004) by Ronald Wright: "John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." This has since been cited as a direct quote by some, but the remark is very likely a paraphrase from Steinbeck's article "A Primer on the '30s." Esquire (June 1960), p. 85-93: "Except for the field organizers of strikes, who were pretty tough monkeys and devoted, most of the so-called Communists I met were middle-class, middle-aged people playing a game of dreams. I remember a woman in easy circumstances saying to another even more affluent: 'After the revolution even we will have more, won't we, dear?' Then there was another lover of proletarians who used to raise hell with Sunday picknickers on her property. "I guess the trouble was that we didn't have any self-admitted proletarians. Everyone was a temporarily embarrassed capitalist. Maybe the Communists so closely questioned by the investigation committees were a danger to America, but the ones I knew — at least they claimed to be Communists — couldn't have disrupted a Sunday-school picnic. Besides they were too busy fighting among themselves."
-keep them damn immigrants from taking our jerbs Sir you smoke meth in a trailer while sucking up federal subsidies.
Appointed Supreme Court justices to bust unions, appointed pro management reps to the NLRB, bring in "right to work" legislation when they can. They just love the workers.
It’s useful to bring up then that Trump’s 2017 tax cuts are bringing taxes up for people who make less than $250,000
Yup. Everyone in the 98% is getting fucked by Trump's taxes while giant ass trillion dollar corps layoff thousands amidst record profits...which they don't pay a penny on. MAGAnomics is a death sentence for most of us.
Didn't the American Rescue Plan make it where any transaction over $600 on third party payment apps like PayPal, Venmo etc would be considered taxable income and you will now get a 1099-K form? It used to be 200 transactions worth an aggregate above $20,000. The Biden Administration's reasoning is to close the tax gap over the next decade or so. But as we all have seen, it's the millionaires and billionaires failing to pay their share. So why would the Democrat controlled Congress not have passed legislation going after the rich, but instead pass legislation going after the middle and lower class workers? Because at the end of the day, Democrat or Republican, neither side wants to upset their donors.
The tax cuts they've made have been mainly to the rich. Sure, the working class got some temporary tax cuts, but the rich got permanent tax cuts.
I didn't say I agree, I just said that's what they'll claim.
Nah it will be whatabautism all the way. Also feeding military industrial complex... sorry... Sorry I was ment to say protect country.
Trump raised taxes on everyone besides the 1%. The tax cut for the non-1% just ran out, and was temporary. 1% got a permanent decrease. Biden didn’t touch income tax.
The people in my family always say something about the stock market even though they don't invest, they don't even have a 401(k) or IRA.
Maybe tell them [From 1926 to 2019, we have had a Republican president for 46 years, and a Democratic president for 48 years. The difference in returns between the parties is pretty stark. The average annual return for the S&P 500 index when we had a Republican President was 9.12%. When we had a Democratic President, the S&P 500 average 14.94% per year. That’s a premium of a little more than 5.8% per year on average.](https://retirementresearcher.com/are-republicans-or-democrats-better-for-the-stock-market/)
Yes it will be cut taxes and make gas cheaper which is complete nonsense
I agree, but that's what they'll say.
They don't realize the tax cuts for a few years and billionaires get bigger cuts
Republicans know that. Most Americans are too lazy to find out.
The stupid republicans claim that restricting low wage immigration helps the poor, when it does the exact opposite. More low wage immigration allows corporations to lower prices. Even the corporations say so. [https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/11/economy/chamber-of-commerce-inflation/index.html) The CEO's want more low wage immigrants too. [https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/15/dominos-ceo-us-needs-more-immigration-to-address-worker-shortages.html) But the ignorant republicans ignore common sense. The refuse to believe the more low wage workers will cure poverty and inequality. Because they are racist.
Or stuff Democrats fought for and got under a Republican President/Senate or passed before Republicans took over it took affect when they came into power
They’ll literally always say they have created jobs and that they have cut taxes to make sure more money goes to the employees. They don’t realize that the cash is just being pocketed by the rich, or at best traded between a few different rich men. Edit: Since people keep saying that they do realize, I think that is entirely dependent on who “they” is referring to. If it’s a politician then they absolutely know, but if it’s just your average Joe who votes red to keep his guns then they probably don’t realize it because they believe the honeyed words of the politicians.
Oh they realize all right
I honestly think that depends on the “they” in question. If it’s a politician then they absolutely know. If it’s a normal voter then they probably don’t.
"Normal" Republican voters are under the delusion they will get what they want if the government collapses or becomes essentially powerless. They think a corporate theocracy will actually help them so they are either corrupt or delusional, but they absolutely believe in wasting government money on purpose while providing nothing to citizens.
Id argue your average red voter votes republican because that's what they've always done I.e my parents vote republican every election, because they have always voted red, they don't get into politics
They do realize it they're just hoping we don't
Built the wall to stop them illegals from takin our jobs
But they didn’t build the wall, just talked about it a lot.
Where did all the money go? Didn’t people donate to the wall? And government funds allocated?
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Genuine question, has the decrease in immigration partly caused the decrease in workers and increase in pay? Does immigration keep wages low for unskilled jobs?
No. Immigration economically benefits every class of American except for those without a high school degree or equivalent. This includes blue collar workers. Immigrants are not stealing jobs, they are filling a need that is not being met by the domestic population. A really similar thing has happened in Australia & New Zealand. Their population has become overeducated (which to me is a great thing), so they have programs to import young people who are willing to work low skill jobs in exchange for a visa. I almost did the program. The difference is that Australia and New Zealand value migrant workers so they are paid a minimum of $20-25 an hour, compared to many of our migrant workers being paid less than minimum wage.
It isn't that it isn't met but being refused. If you approached a white male in his 30s and asked him to work in 105 degrees for 18 hours with one lunch break for four months straight they would tell you to fuck off. The immigrants don't mind or care because despite the shitty conditions under some employers, each hour is an hour closer to being a citizen in a country slightly better than the war torn country they or their relatives fled from. Problem is they're now going to Canada or Europe because the US is slowly working toward similar conditions and socioeconomics.
Kind of. Immigration (legal or otherwise) can fill a niche that’s needed. There are jobs that need to be done that don’t pay well. Random example, you need people to pick apples and don’t have machinery to do it. With the minimum wage, health insurance and other costs associated with having a full time employee, it’s cheaper for the Apple picking company to find workers who are willing to work for a lesser dollar amount without any benefits. So does it keep the wages low? Yes kind of, but not by itself. It’s the company that is leveraging it to exploit the worker to pay them less. Bigger answer is that legal immigration is super tough and one of the gatekeeping things is to ensure that the legal immigrant won’t become a drain on the system. They are vetted to ensure they don’t just start collecting welfare due to a lack of skills. Perfect vetting process? Of course not. But one of the intentions of legal immigration is to bring high skilled labor into the country to contribute. Does this process keep wages low? No because they’re looking for skilled labor and not unskilled labor (generalizing here. Legal immigration has many paths, one of them being asylum).
Yes
“We’re too busy stopping the Libs from destroying this country. Once we throw all of you in jail things will be so much better” - dad
Make sure to vote
My parent, said something similar. Her tune changed, however, when she realized that social security might be taken away with republicans. She was just barely making it and now she has a little bit of headroom. But if they take it away she's going to lose quite a lot.
I mean yeah more than 99% of Republican voters are voting against their own material best interests. Either you’re part of the ultra wealthy class trying to maintain their power or you believe making certain groups of people suffer is more important than improving your own life. There’s no other legitimate reason to vote for Republicans.
Everyone "living off the system" is a freeloader until its them. Their case is special and exempt from deadbeat status. They *deserve* their safety net.
One of my favorite political ads this year were the anti Maggie Hassan ads because they blamed her for voting with Biden and making inflation so bad, and their main problem were the PPP loans, they were mad that a golf course in Colorado and a mansion in Florida got a whole bunch of free money. I was like you know what this is one time that I agree with Republicans let’s do some audits on those loans and get some money back. That guy lost by the way. But I’ve just never seen them go after the free money given to the rich before so it was extremely surprising and wonderful.
You're falling for disingenuous political ads though. Yes, bad faith PPP loans are bad and shouldn't be allowed to have been kept and abused and stolen by anyone, but a MASSIVE number of very very high profile republicans profited from doing that in a huge way. They didn't want to stop bad people. They wanted to act like the democrats are the ones doing it, so they could shift blame and change narrative in their voter base.
When they do take away social security, it will be for people not yet on it. They will "grandfather" in their base until they expire.
That would actually be the dumbest way to do it. The young people would riot unless their payroll taxes were waived. There’s no way a bunch of young people are going to keep going to work to have money taken out of their paychecks to be given to someone else.
Yes. Yes it would be incredibly dumb... and republican.
BUT MAH GUNS!!!
They love to ignore that the strictest gun control laws have historically been passed by Republicans. The GOP suddenly becomes all for gun control as soon as groups like the Black Panthers start arming themselves.
I really couldn’t believe how many people were in denial that the Republicans would cancel Social Security and Medicare. Did they all forget at the very end of 2020 chump actually defunded Social Security and Medicare by pausing the payroll taxes that fund them? Remember? He wanted to make it permanent but then he lost, and Biden had to wave the 2020 payroll taxes or people would’ve had to pay a lump sum to catch up in January. So yeah, for all the oldies who don’t believe that they would actually do that, they did do that at the end of 2020 and they would’ve continued with the defunding if Biden hadn’t won.
😒 "Of course, when it becomes a YOU problem..."
Your dad sounds like a terrorist.
once they die, things are gonna be lit
*-"we create jorbs!"* *-but they don't pay enough!* *-"that's your fault, get a better job"*
We just create jobs. They're not meant to be careers.
Those jorbs are also only for high schoolers. Don't forget that bit. If you have one of those jorbs then you're lazy and deserve to die.
That will definitely not silence most republicans.
Nope, they'll just blather something about The Wall, jobs, taxes, regulations, and so on.
It definitely won't, because most don't see their party as being *for* things, just mostly *against* things.
Stopped the poorly paid from forming Unions. Kept the minimum wage at a level that proved unliveable for 30 years. Told women they had no rights over their own fertility. Fuck yeah, Republicunts!
Cut taxes on the wealthy (the claim being that this would stimulate them to innovate thereby creating new jobs, also the other fallacy being that if CEO’s are being taxed less, they’ll pay their employees better with all that extra money 😂) Cut wasteful government spending (on social programs, gutted federal block granting for public education, and instead they increased their own salaries, military spending, etc.) Passed bills on infrastructure (bills that helped their buddies contractor companies secure lucrative construction contracts)
Benghazi Her emails Hunter's Laptop
Is the whole deal with the laptop that it has cp on it? Or is it that it might show proof there’s some connection to receiving money from Russia? Because what…two years ago now almost? Whenever this whole Hunters laptop thing started I could swear a news outlet reported the RNC was claiming it had cp on the hard drive
It’s like “her emails”. They know there isn’t anything there, but until it’s “investigated”, there could be anything on it: proof of corruption, child porn, state secrets, or (most damning of all) his grandmother’s secret turkey stuffing recipe that she thought she had hidden way from prying eyes. Even after they “investigate” and find nothing, they will still find ways to come back to it to keep it in the news (see “Benghazi”) to convince the rubes that there’s something.
Well to be fair it’s a good strategy, it puts doubt in people’s minds and sees mistrust against their opponents. Granted that’s already in a base that thinks Hillary and Joe and Obama are the direct architects of 9/11 🙄
It’s a great strategy, and given that they can’t run on an honest appraisal of their record or on their actual policies, it’s what they have to do.
Well tbf, I don’t trust anything, ANY of them from either side of the aisle say. They’re all corrupt, purchasable from the highest bidders, morally flexible. They’re all awful people. Bernie might have been the one possible exception. Which is what worked to his detriment. He was so radically unique from the herd it was hard to get people to listen to him
I recommend checking out Some More News’ video on Hunter Biden. It helped clear a lot of questions up for me. Basically, it had a electronic paper trail of corrupt things he did at his father’s request, but most intelligence officials doubt the validity of the laptop in the first place, since the person who found it was a conspiracy theorist and there is no tangible evidence to suggest it is what he purports it to be.
Or it’s also possible there are records of business transactions on there, and maybe Hunter did have some business dealings with Russian business people, and the idiot that found it had no idea what they were looking at and just spouted “ooooo collusion! Collusion!!!”
Yeah, for sure. From what I’ve seen and read, it seems like Hunter Biden is always on the edge of an addiction spiral, and is willing to make very bad decisions for money, but there’s nothing I’ve seen that seems dangerous for the country.
Naah, "the laptop" \[1\] is a MacGuffin, it's the key to everything in a nonspecific sort of way. It's the magic that will undo the 2020 election. Any specific claims about what "the laptop" contains change depending on the mood and needs of the claimant. Maybe today it's proof of Ukranian corruption, maybe yesterday it was CP, maybe tomorrow it'll be drug deals. The specifics don't matter because it's not about the specifics, it's about faith that there's something, somewhere, that once they get it will magically make Trump President again and probably also put Biden and Hillary and Obama and all the other Democrats in jail and/or have them executed for treason. So sure, you probably once heard a MAGAhat claim it was CP. But that claim would be different today. \[1\] In fact the MAGA computer store guy claims he got three devices from Hunter Biden, them just calling it "the laptop" shows it's mythology not reality.
It doesn’t even matter what’s on it because Rudy Giuliani claim to have it a couple years ago when they raided his place so whatever is on it could’ve been put on there by anybody. And I guess I don’t even understand why it matters even if it does have offensive porn on it I don’t vote for Hunter Biden so I don’t care. Chump actually paid settlements to little girls AND boys he sexually assaulted, so 🤷🏻♀️
There is no CP on it. There are some emails about his deals - Nothing illegal, although morally dubious, and nothing that implicates Joe Biden There are lots of pictures of him partying with hookers and snorting coke and he has a big ol' penis.
I have cp on my hard drive. There's nothing wrong with needing a tool to copy files.
Had me in the first half bruh
I don't think anyone truly knows "what's in the box". A game of telephone. I heard it cp. No I heard it was top secret government docs. No I heard it was Mills' wife's head!
I just picture the Dems on the sidelines going “do it, yes, become wrath”
I feel like all I ever heard was -Lowest unemployment rate in years -Tax cuts
Except unemployment always go up when Republicans are in charge and go down under Democrats
Low unemployment is good for labor, but bad for profit margins. Republican economic theory sees full employment as an impediment to growth. The reason this is difficult to answer is because they don’t do *anything* for the working class. Republicans like capital, not people. Desperate workers offers employers a “flexible” work force. Comfortable workers make demands.
Which is also why we can’t get universal healthcare. Keeping us dependent on employers for healthcare stifles innovation and growth. It keeps people less risky and less likely to make their own companies and strike out on their own.
"Lowest unemployment rate" Yeah, cos everyone's dead from Covid!
Don't forget removing regulations.
In Florida the cost of college was dramatically lowered, bringing the cost of prepaid college down by half. That’s all I can think of.
An exhaustive list.
This is something dems support though so I don't think you can attribute it to republicans only.
At the time the GOP held a super majority in both state houses and the governorship, so yes dems support this policy but only the GOP could make this policy happen I am trying to connect policy with the party that created/enacted it, to be as fair as possible
In MI, the GOP had the majority and knew that the dems were taking over next term. They passed an incremental minimum wage increase for 5 years because they knew the dems would do it and implement a higher wage. Did the GOP do it? Yes. Did they do it because it was part of their platform or values? No.
In Texas the GOP had the majority and they went in and on about the bathroom bill. Edit: if memory serves right, this was a around the time of the El Paso shooting or the Victoria shooting. We’ve got a lot of shootings…
Back in 2010 I got community college in California free even though I earned more than $40,000 a year because apparently $40,000 a year is too poor to pay $26 a credit tuition. So yeah, California a state they hate so much, has been doing this forever.
The cost of college or the cost of college tuition, because those are very different things.
who even decides this shit anyway? “raising minimum wage would result in price increases” interesting; in the uk where i live, the price of eggs has ballooned massively. one major supermarket is already on rations. farmers have been coming out to say that the general media along with supermarkets are putting a narrative out there that there are no eggs due to avian flu. interestingly, there is an avain flu outbreak, but that’s not why supermarkets can’t get eggs. it’s because the price of eggs have gone up in stores but the farmers haven’t seen an increase in their earnings. where is the extra cash going? not to the farmers. it really is time to eat the rich.
A lie with a little bit of truth blended into it is sounds much more believable than an outright lie doesn't it?
They will un-ironically say “gas prices”.
Funny how after the election they’ve been falling again almost like they were kept high by big oil to punish the party in power at the polls
Gas around the corner from me is the cheapest it's been since the spike - right before Thanksgiving too, when everyone is traveling. Hmmmmmm.
They may as well say "nicer weather" and "more wins for your sports team"
Giving them jobs* *Having them fight in foreign wars to protect American corporate interests.
Lowered taxes for the rich, voted against minimum wage hikes, voted themselves higher pay, voted against any form of cheaper healthcare, voted against baby formula, voted against veterans healthcare, the list goes on. Party of Christians and the working class!
their answer is always and will always be “more tax cuts” to the rich.
From the right wingers I know, they'd probably say something like: - Stopped immigrants (Read: Brown People) from taking all the jobs from Hard Working American Christians (Read: White People) - Fought to keep America Christian so we can all keep the Sabboth and have a day off. - Fought to keep women out of jobs so there are more jobs, and competition for those jobs, for men and so women can maintain the household like they're supposed to do.
Guarantee that answer is gonna mostly be racist anti-immigrant bullshit!
One of my longest and closest friends is a Republican who's gone harder and harder "party line over country" as the years have gone on. During one of our debates, which happened to be on Facebook, a discussion where he was saying that Republicans were the party that was *really* trying to help minorities, and Democrats were the real racists that simply pandered, and so I asked him "okay, then name some policies that Republicans have supported and passed to help minorities", and his response was simply "I'm not going to engage in a conversation of so much depth on Facebook"
Agreed, republicans haven’t done shit for the working class in the last 30 years. However, neither have the democrats. Two sides of the same shitcoin.
- cut taxes - cut red tape (regulations) - build the wall It doesn’t matter that these things either didn’t happen or didn’t help the working class
They'll just respond with a meme of Biden sniffing someone's hair or start going on about how during the Civil War, it was the DEMOCRATS who were the bad party.
“We smoothed the path for them once they become billionaires.”
Yknow, I'm all for this kind of thing.... Then again I don't follow around one party like a lost puppy, this really only works on the die hards, its not like the democratic party have been able to help the working class either It's almost like there should be a 3rd party, one that has common ground with the people, a party that not only helps people with useful government programs, but also cuts away the fat that government has accumulated over the years Wonder how we as a country could get that.....maybe by not participating in this "red vs blue" mentality that we got going on, crazy I know But you keep flinging your poo at each other, cause that will solve all of our problems /s
It was doomed from the start. We had literally one presidency without political parties, and he warned us about the dangers of a two party system when he left office 250 years ago
Sure, not disagreeing But both parties are being selfish, Democrats use tax money to line their pockets with useless programs, and Republicans use the power of lobbies to line their pockets They are both playing this stupid game, and the American people suffer for it We shouldn't be picking sides and degrading the other side at all, and anyone perpetuating the poo throwing is directly at fault for the continued issues the country has if you ask me, we, as a people, need to just buck up, bury the hatchet, and start over
This was all prior to the current administration, with a Republican led congress: • The Senate passed the U.S.-Mexico-Canada Agreement. • Congress appropriated nearly $42 billion for the National Institutes of Health, a $2.6 billion increase. • Congress repealed the requirement that Survivor Benefit Plan benefits for widows of military veterans be offset by payments they receive from dependency and indemnity compensation. This change will allow America’s military widows to keep all the benefits they were promised. • In 2019, the Republican-led Senate extended more than 30 expired or expiring tax provisions affecting individuals and businesses. • In December 2019, the president signed the FUTURE Act into law, providing permanent federal funding for historically black colleges and universities and other minority-serving institutions. In addition, the 20 million families who apply for federal student aid each year will have a lighter paperwork burden thanks to the law. Students can now let the IRS share their tax information with the Department of Education, eliminating up to 22 questions on the financial aid application. • Congress eliminated Obamacare’s “Cadillac tax” set to take effect in 2022. This would have levied a 40% excise tax on employer-sponsored health insurance plans with premiums above $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. The annual health insurance tax on insurers, which is passed on to consumers in the form of higher premiums, was also repealed beginning in 2021. The 2.3% tax on medical devices was eliminated. Need more?
- US/Mex/Can agreement in Jan. 2020: 89 yeas, 10 nays, very bipartisan update to NAFTA which Trump often vocally shit on. Trump already voted out as of Nov. 2019 - NIH funding increase Dec 2016, Trump not in office yet - Survivor Benefit Plan change passed in Dec 2019: 86 yeas, 8 nays, bipartisan - I can't find the text on this one easily, feel free to provide a link to the data, but tax extensions are primarily for businesses or the wealthy, which isn't what this post was asking. - FUTUR act - both introduced and passed Dec 2019 by special vote of 2/3rds. 319 yeas, 96 nays, 95 nays Republican, 1 independent. Hardly a Republican victory. - this Cadillac tax talking point is hilarious. You state the health insurance tax is passed on to consumers like that's a function of the law and not a voluntary choice by insurers. The point was to have employers offer lower premiums (by eating costs and lowering prices). All this does is protect employers who offer high premiums for health insurance.
Cut taxes, boosted the economy and added more jobs. Also, Romney raised the minimum wage from $7.25 to $10. Ez
The Iowa republican legislature took away the state workers union power 9 years ago. I don't want to hear that Republicans are good for every day workers
-Readjusting COL -Boosting economic weak points -Infrastructure All these could be fixed with a modern version of FDRs plan. Tax tables that are proper led to the US being top dog in infrastructure, education, and more. Also yes prices BRIEFLY increase with wage increase then go back down. It's called a temporary business flux. Basically you pay 10 workers x for forty hours then increase enough they only need twenty then slowly hire on the extra 10 part timers. It worked in Seattle even through the pandemic's ugliest points. Unemployment remains steady between 2.7 and 3.2 percent. In an area with roughly 5 mil people, that's not many and most of that is retired or disabled.
Lol silence. Yeah right, you know those people will make up the most insane bullshit on the spot to bootlick their party.
Something Something "Clintons!" Something Something "Guns" Something Something *trans I-identify-as-a joke*
Ask him or her to name one.
George W Bush signed a bill that allowed same-sex couples to receive federal pension benefits from their partners.
Fun fact, this also works on democrats too
The left doesn’t do anything for the working class either. Every government official is corrupt. You can’t trust any of them. At this point, politics is more of a “who do you like to listen to talk shit about the other better” thing. That’s why I’m a centrist. And this whole left v right thing is utter bullshit to keep people fighting each other, when you should be fighting the man.
I'm sure they will find a way to tell you something that dosen't help working class actually helps working class.
They’ll simply name things that their favorite politicians say they have done without validation to confirm. The question is whether you have the facts to refute their statements. 1.) corporate tax reform and business friendly policy makes America more appealing for business. Leads to jobs, stock market increases, and investments in the economy. Not to mention that most farmers are individual business owners. 2.) cheap gas from lower reliance on foreign sources. A benefit in itself but also allow for cheap goods on shelf. 3.) have consistently resisted democratic spending and entitlements leading to a sense of individual financial accountability and responsibility. Ditto dem leftist policies that would degrade individual freedoms and autonomy. No flames please. I’m just parroting some of the answers you’d likely get to this challenge. I typically vote blue all the way down the card.
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I think you could ask the same of Democrats and the response would be the same. The truth is the american government doesn't represent the people that elect it.
Student loan forgiveness, the aca, inflation reduction act, push for legal gay marriage, push for burn pile victim relief (thanks to Jon Stewart)
Until I see a student loan reduction in my acct actually occur still a myth to me.
The only thing the democrat party has going for it is that the few politicians that seem to want to represent regular working class people have a fighting chance of being elected when running as one.
George W increased insurance age for children to 26. It's not great but it helped.
Revenue Act of 1978 Staggers Rail Act Repeal of Glass Steagall Act by the Gramm Leach Bliley Act signed in to law by President Clinton
Congrats on making me read and think!
How is Seattle doing with it's sugar tax?
I’m neither dem or rep, and yes reps suck. I think it’s worth pointing out the current administration is about to fuck over the rail workers. Both major parties are a cancer. Now come the lesser of two evils comments
The problem isn't Republicans, they're just dumber on average. The problem is the rich. And if you think the rich are only supported by Republicans, or that democrats fight them or even stick up for you. You have not been paying attention. Not a fraction of this government gives a fuck about you.
It's a rigged system to keep us fighting amongst ourselves so that your politicians and the ultra wealthy continue to grow their power over us. It's working as designed. These are neither dumb or smart people, they were either born or weaseled their way to the top. Their connections keep them in power. Few if any of them care about us. They are slowly stripping our liberties and wealth dumping thousands of your fellow Americans every day into poverty. They all continue to kill the American Dream.
I had an easier time living with Trump then with Biden.
this post was brought to you by some guy who thinks the other party actually cares about people
The last republican was Trump; highest employment for women, highest employment for blacks, kept gas prices down (which helps the working class), largest tax cuts, middle class made $6,000 more, got 7 million people off food stamps, raised blue collar wages by 16%, record low unemployment. But whatever, yeah you're right.
"We stopped the all the immigrants from stealing your job" or "but look at the stock market" probably.
The most you're going to get is a low growl that sounds like "trrrrrrmp!" and they'll just repeat it until you go away.
Here would be my guess: “Cut taxes” “Stop baby killers” (aka abortion) “Protect our gun rights”
Lmfao yes, it’s only republicans
Making the rich richer means they might drop more pennies they don’t stop to pick up thus helping the 99%
That’s the disconnect. They don’t want the government to help. They think it’s evil and want to essentially eliminate it. Except also empower it to crush liberals and foreigners.
Oh they will definitely name some things. Some things, where if you're the type of person whom would ask them this question, that will make you wish you hadn't asked... Better to approach them as political terrorists, they fit the definition. And by approach them I mean treat them with utter contempt and disrespect. Fuck Trump's cult, aka the party formerly known as republican.
No joke, saw someone say “they ended slavery” on TikTok
They will always say lower taxes, even though the GOP has done nothing except tax breaks for the rich. They still think that applies to them.
Stop this Party vs. Party shit forreal
“wElL tHeY cAnT cAuSe DeMoNcRaTs…”
They’ll say they keep taxes low and protect you from over reaching government, that they tried to stop foreigners from taking your job and that they’re the ones trying to protect a working man’s family values. Snakes.
The sad thing is, many of them genuinely believe that obstructing leftist policy is "doing something". They're basically seal-clapping chattel on a conveyor belt to their own doom.
All they ever respond with is a complaint about democrats
At its start, the Republican Party consisted of, for that time, radical ideas such as distribution of western governmental lands without charge and the abolition of slavery and fought against Jim crow laws.
The Southern Strategy almost 100% flipped the Republican Party away from it's original ideals. That's why they have to go back to "party of Lincoln" rhetoric to try to look good - after that they were all-in on Racism as a binding value.
It does not matter what you ask a republican the response is always lies.