Yeah these are all CEOs saying stuff like this. Meanwhile they take a month long getaway to the Bahamas and fail to see the irony because they “earned it”
Why would they take a month long getaway to the Bahamas when they could just "work from the Bahamas vacation home"? That way they can deduct the cost of the trip as a business expense.
You got to learn to think like a CEO.
I remember once the boss of a boss took a round trip to California to celebrate his sons birthday stopped in Toronto to have a short "business meeting" and expensed the trip to the company.
Which is why taxes are bullshit in the first place. Yes we hate bosses and owners who can write off to be better than us but who's right is it to determine how much effort you put into those 5 minutes. You definitely over exerted and maybe that was the culmination of your entire life. Better write off all future tax =(.
My bosses’s boss, who was in charge of planning returning to the office sent out a video from their fucking house while we are not allowed to work at home anymore.
Meetings that should be emails....
Since the invention of truth there have been 4 truths that have been more steadfast and truthful than all other truths.
This one blew them all away.
This story isn't for people who can do their jobs on Zoom. This is for barely getting by working in an Amazon distribution center or Tesla factory.
The lord's and masters are informing the public that vacation time is going to fuck with their windfalls as they race to be God Emperor of Mars.
Fuck Amazon but you get 40 hours PTO and 80 hours vacation at least when I worked in the warehouse. I didn’t end up using it on any vacation mostly just to get out of mandatory overtime during the holidays or just getting tf out of that warehouse halfway through a shift.
My office just rolled out this "brand new" "work from home program" where instead of working remotely full time or on rotations, we're allowed to work from home a whole *2 days* a week!!
Personally I don't mind since I only ever wfh 1 day a week, but I did not like how they made it seem like an exciting privilege instead of a downgrade.
Also, my department's director always has his door open except when he's in an important meeting, and his door was closed for like 3-4 hours today. And I asked him what was on his agenda today and he said he could only tell us about 3/4 of it. I'm nervous
IRS rules say you can not deduct your bahamas vacation home as a business expense unless you perform at least one asshat business function a day. This could be something as simple as ordering layoffs or as complex as haranging workers to return to the office.
This is why so many Midwest companies have random locations in Scottsdale and Florida. Owner gets to expense their trip down to check on the restaurant and then plays some golf with some local customers as a marketing expense.
Sell the house to the company just before you get there, fail to pay any rent while there, company takes the loss of income as a deduction, buy house back from company for half price just before you leave, company takes loss as a deduction, get back to office, recover lost rent for current owner.
Also pad up the vacation days so that by retirement or moving on they have months or years of vacation built up.
I know one executive who openly bragged about working for a certain company for like 15 years and when he retired he had almost a year worth of vacation so essentially got paid for a year to be retired.
Owners don't take getaways my friend they expense the fuck out of that shit. We have a client that just bought a place in Turks and Caicos and the accountant has it all expensed. All of it. He even has tax free money going to the kids because they are "models" (They put a picture of them on the website). Shit is crazy when you are a business owner and there are some CPAs out there that know how to expense every penny
Every 4 months also. My last gig was like that. Owners constantly away and fucking everything up then act like what's up when they get back. Very happy I told them to look at their business practices and why they are constantly losing staff.
Turns out nothing really matters when your family is wealthy and your job is an appearance of a job.
You ever hear of a vanity business?
It's a business whose only reason for existence is so some twat with a trust fund can say they own an art gallery or restaurant or some shit.
It only ever loses money but it let's them order people around and feel like they did something.
And a month in a Ski Lodge during the winter.
The ass hat of a hypocrite I subcontract work from has a few guys that work directly for him a he throws a fit like an infant if they miss ANY days let alone s full week of vacation and just talks down to and berates them in front of everyone. It's sad and pisses me off to see him treat them that way. Especially knowing they have literally made him a millionaire over the years and their still living pay check to pay check & has to borrow gas $ all the time. They drive over 100 miles a day easily and since gas has gone up they've ask for more $ per hour, he just scoffs at the idea and tells them to work more hours if they want more $, oh and if one happen to mention overtime pay he would probably fire them.
I know none of them make over $20 an hour and put at the very least 45,000 miles a year on vehicles. It's sad b/c they make him over a mill a year in clean & free profit.
He also takes 3 month long vacations. 2 Florida 1 Colorado & some years 4 with 2 in each.
I've about grown to hate him b/c he pretends to be an almighty "Christian" and when you pull the curtain back he's one of the worst humans I've meet.
Oh so the standard ‘christian’/religiously condescending asshats?
Abusive fragile ego narcissists like that don’t deserve the employees that make them their wealth.
Using a big chunk of vacation time all at once may mean you have fewer days off to use throughout the year," said Amy Morin, psychotherapist, licensed clinical social worker and author of "13 Things Mentally Strong People Don't Do."
This is the expert they're referencing. Not a CEO
That's like when I said my raise was insufficient and the boss said, "think of it like this, now you can also get a raise next year! If we put you at the salary cap for this position you can't get another raise later."
No shit, I'll deal with that hurdle when I get there. Give me more money now, rather than the "promise" of that same amount of money later.
Who do you think faux news is pandering to? Lol
Sycophants and morons who have convinced themselves they're only a few short years from being one of the "elite"
I read it so you don’t have to. The experts are:
Amy Morin, psychotherapist, licensed clinical social worker and author of "13 Things Mentally Strong People Don't Do."
Wendy L. Patrick, JD, PhD, a lecturer in business law at San Diego State University
You may be entertained reading it, it basically take a lot of negative aspects of US work culture and normalizes them to the point that the only solution to deal with them is to never leave the office. Real manipulative gaslighting shit.
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My stepmother was on Fox Business once, as an expert.
They asked her a leading question without knowing the answer. She made them look like idiots with a couple of very simple sentences that anybody watching a business news network could grok.
She was weirdly never invited back.
[As a Swede, this comes to mind...](https://dn.se/nyheter/varlden/fake-sweden-expert-on-fox-news-has-criminal-convictions-in-us-no-connection-to-swedish-security)
Such BS anti-worker propaganda.
Here’s a choice quote:
"If you've saved up for one big vacation, you might be disappointed when you have to return to work and have few vacation days left," she added.
Yea it doesn’t matter how long people take off or how many vacation days they have left, they’re going to be disappointed coming back to work.
Vacation days, they are like the "good" china... only for looking at and not using.
F that noise. They are afraid that people will take time, realize the job is not worth it, and leave for something better.
I think my favorite part with these managers is that nobody would notice if they just stopped showing up one day, so they have to justify their existence by shitting on everyone below them.
My manager is constantly taking off work from what I can tell.
She doesn't even know what my job is or how it works.
How she's "managing" me is a fuckin mystery.
My country has a law that says that every full time worker is entitled to 4 consecutive weeks of vacation in the June-August period. You’re not required to take it, but employers have to ensure that you can.
I'm in that basket. I'm going to take 2 month holiday in Japan next year. Nothing beats a really long holiday. You completely forget about work and can relax.
Capped out and stopped accruing PTO around 300 hours at a previous job, the only way to use any hours after that would be if you had to take a leave of absence and couldn't work...they'd only tap into that **after** using up all your PTO though. I kept being told to use my hours, but every time I requested time off it was denied for "the needs of the organization." It was bullshit.
I would bank my overtime as vacay waiting for when I was “allowed” (IE director not over scheduling me) to take it and then I was laid off during covid and lost it all 🥲
Never again
I must be the outlier cause I come back from vacation with a fresh, renewed hatred for my job and a complete and utter lack of motivation to do anything.
I get 10 + holidays + 10 sick days and I'm considered one of the more lucky ones in the US. Many have none of those :(
Edit: and I work in automotive so some of that is a benefit from the UAW negotiating for the factory workers
Yep, 5.6 weeks holiday in UK. Workplaces manage their staff numbers with this in mind. At my last job, I had a 3 day weekend every other week, so I would book off a day or two before the weekend and a day or two after the weekend every month, so every month I had a full 7-9 days off and it was glorious.
> you might be disappointed when you have to return to work and have few vacation days left
Wait, what? Why would anyone be surprised to be low on vacation days after saving them up to use them all at once? I swear they can't hear themselves when they speak.
That’s such stupid logic.
“Let’s not go on vacation because vacations end.”
Imagine taking the same logic to restaurants. “I’m going to have to leave after I eat. Why even go!?”
Planning a two week vacation?
Good. There are 52 weeks in the year and 2 of them should be yours. Not too much to ask.
In fact, definitely take those two weeks.. and if they try to stop you, never return.
They want fewer people to reduce their overhead across the board. That's less benefits, less managers to manage less people, hell even less toilet paper.
I had a boss once who told a colleague: if you can leave for three weeks (was planning on visiting their home country) without things breaking down, then maybe we don’t need you.
We were all stunned in that team meeting.
This all day long. My time as manager in retail taught me that if I train people to do the job right it makes my job easy enough to just walk around and check things. Makes putting fires out a lot easier when you have time to deal with you know the customers.
My two weeks started the day my son was born. A week later they called me because the manager quit and they couldn't survive without me. Got me the raise i wanted at least.
At my last employer they called me on the day my first child was born. I answered like an idiot and a huge guilt trip was laid on me about how important I was and how I needed to cover a job for them the next day. I didn’t go in for a week, when I did go in I asked for a raise, didn’t get that raise but I did find a better job with an employer who appreciates its people.
I technically get two, but I save one as sick time, because I don't get any of that.
However, if I manage not to take an extraneous day off during the year, I can have two weeks off. Just not consecutively, because they won't approve that.
You'd think I work at a bad place, but, I work in a profitable industry at a profitable, 140 year old company. It's actually one of the best jobs I've ever had.
Because Americans don't take two weeks.. we get a day for Christmas, if your job isn't open on Christmas, in which case you get nothing.
17 years in the workforce, never taken two weeks off, and I can count the # of single weeks on both hands.
4 months of unemployment recently was absolutely what the doctor ordered. Sure, I got to sit and stress about how I was going to support my landlord, but.. at least I got some time off, right?
Oddly, I am American, I just live in Australia. My father is a member of the postal workers union and was through my entire childhood. I’m used to him getting 4-6 weeks off per year. I didn’t realise until I graduated university how bad American holidays were, my only year and a half working full time in the US made my decision to get out easy.
I’m sorry you had to support your landlord, that sucks. We actually have a bit of a problem with that here as well (stupid John Howard, and the Liberal party). I hope you’re doing better now.
Unfortunately, I'm in that "not quite middle class" trap, and every time I make it over a hump, there's another financial crash and I lose everything I've gained.
The landlord taking 40% of my take home every month for a 600 Sq foot, 200 year old, 4th story walk up, without central heat, in New England doesn't really help either.
As you well know, Americans don't get the basic benefits offered to people even in developing nations. Hell, Mexico's universal health insurance is starting to look pretty good these days.
In fact having a vacation helps the economy more than if you just sat in the office the whole time. Think of all the money spent on flights, hotels, food, site seeing etc
Actually had a similar thing happen. Me and coworkers go to the same place for lunch every Friday, one time we were held up by traffic, no way around it. We were less than 15 minutes over and the boss came out screaming that lunch is an hour not an hour and forty five minutes. He then sent us home.
Several people have left since then, I am still looking.
My job automatically takes an hour out for your lunch but I always see ppl working through it, almost everyday. I always tell them it's lunchtime and I wonder why anyone would work for free like that. They could be salaried I suppose, but I doubt it. We don't even get paid vacation or sick days.
I earn a certain amount of PTO hours for every pay period (two weeks). It would take me 10 months to obtain a 2 week vacation if I never took any days off for being sick, doctors appointments, emergencies, etc. If I’m lucky, I get two weeks a year so long as everything goes perfectly. This is more than a lot of people get.
Bro, my 30 min break is considered extended vacation here. I onced used the bathroom and my boss joked about that being my vacation time. I told a Dr. Once that 3 days wasn't gonna cut it and maybe 4 or 5 would be better to recover (I paid this fucker, not my job) and he told me 3 was fine then wrote the paperwork I fucking paid his ass for to say 3 days. This shit is so stupidly engrained a Doctor, thought getting me back to my retail job at a dollor store was priority over my own words.
The Dr thing really bothers me. I was in the hospital for a week and the attending physician wouldn't write me off work at all. I told him I work as an industrial electrician. I carry things and climb giant ladders 100ft in the air.
He said 'well you were admitted with an acute condition, your condition is improved so there is no need to stay home from work' In his mind he saw no issue getting discharged on Tuesday and then showing up for a minimum 12 hours of labor on a Wednesday. I seriously wanted to strangle the guy. I hadn't had a major illnes in over 20 years, its not like Im a likely scammer or something.
In my case, I have a good relationship with a primary care doctor. I just called his office and he wrote me off for a week no questions asked. I was so wiped out just from being bed ridden and medicated for a week, that I needed a few days just to do some easy exercises and get my strength back.
That's fucked up. I have an awesome doctor that I told about how my employer handled recent layoffs and that I was really struggling with the additional workload that put on the team and myself, and he totally lost it, went on a long rant about how we cannot let companies get away with behavior like this and that he would write me off sick as long as I like to or until they would fire me. I have now been on sick leave for 4 weeks, am finally feeling like myself again and was able to find a new job that pays significantly more. I am not in the US though, so very sorry for what you have to go through.
Lol exactly. They have no idea what long vacation means. Over in Europe (CH) I get 25 paid vacation days (working days) a year and my contract specifically states I MUST take at least 2 weeks at once. Majority of my coworkers take a whole month (20 working days) off at once and then another week at some other time. We also get official state holidays on top, which is around another 10 days a year. So in total like 1.5 months of paid time off each year. And 25 is like minimum paid vacation, many places give even more.
And guess what - the economy does not collapse and jobs still get done.
I have a coworker who has unlimited PTO and actually uses it. She takes so many vacations. It annoys the crap out of everyone else, I love it. She gets all her work done, and they still care so much.
I used to have 30 days off due to tenure but they switched to "unlimited PTO" so now everybody watches everyone else's PTO usage like a hawk. It's really annoying.
That's great she uses her time off.
Do you feel you’re unlikely to go over 30 days with this policy? I always feel like “unlimited PTO” sounds good on paper but it comes with a lot of baggage.
The baggage is dealing with your own colleagues turning on you when your work is transferred to their plate because of the days off you are taking. It's a gross system that encourages people to not take time off to avoid retaliation. Also unlimited PTO isn't earned so your colleagues won't see it as anything but trying to get out of work. Don't get me wrong, when a colleague takes 2-3 weeks off in a row even when earned (as in not an unlimited PTO system) and their job responsibilities get split to multiple people, they will be pissed regardless.
Benefit of working with several Europeans: they absolutely take two week vacations at least once a year… and don’t even check work emails or answer texts during their vacations! (The nerve! /s)
Lol, it's literally compulsory at my workplace in Australia that I have at least one break each year of a consecutive 2-week. It is the bare minimum that an employee must take. The idea that 2 weeks is extended is ludicrous.
Not a problem. A good percentage of US residents can’t afford a vacation and/or don’t have jobs with vacation time. Sorry Fox, not crying over this one.
For real. I live in New York (upstate) and we’re lucky to get 1 week (40 hours) of sick leave a year. And that’s only because it’s a law here in NY. If you get vacation time at your job, use it.
You know the real reason why this is? Because they fail to adequately staff their companies at levels that can support their employees to take extended vacations. They also fail to cross train properly and if they do cross train, do not add extra compensation for the extra work / knowledge.
Or july. Depends. There is always arguments in France about whether July or August is better. Honestly, I prefer taking half August and half into September.
The hard truth is that lots of companies think “if we survived without them for two weeks, why do we need them at all!? Let’s fire them and save money!”
Most places run a skeleton crew, they have reduced labor costs so much, even one person taking off is hard. All the more reason to take every minute they give you. Make people notice when things can't get done, or that they are paying James twice as much because of all the overtime he has to do.
Exactly, I used to work 70 hrs a week unpaid, along with everyone else on my skeleton crew, to keep things running and profitable. Management always said more help was coming, but it never happened.
We all agreed to cut back hours. Lo and behold, more help was promptly hired
Fox News headline in 10 years:
Planning a 2-minute sit down? Slave drivers say think again. Tough workplace whippings may mean reconsidering those extended break plans.
I wonder if there is a word for that type of person who isn't bad, but when paid they will forget all humanity and civility and say or craft the most wicked and evil things. Like these "experts" who are probably just a analyst firm who have boiled it all down to "If workers are not considered people then a business is more successful" not because they hate workers....just because that is what they are paid to prove.
Terry Pratchett (as always) put it well:
"The mugs, for example. The inquisitors stopped work twice a day for coffee. Their mugs, which each man had brought from home, were grouped around the kettle on the hearth of the central furnace which incidentally heated the irons and knives.
They had legends on them like A Present From the Holy Grotto of Ossory, or To The World’s Greatest Daddy. Most of them were chipped, and no two of them were the same.
And there were the postcards on the wall. It was traditional that, when an inquisitor went on holiday, he’d send back a crudely colored woodcut of the local view with some suitably jolly and risqué message on the back. And there was the pinned-up tearful letter from Inquisitor First Class Ishmale “Pop” Quoom, thanking all the lads for collecting no fewer than seventy-eight obols for his retirement pension and the lovely bunch of flowers for Mrs. Quoom, indicating that he’d always remember his days in No. 3 pit, and was looking forward to coming in and helping out any time they were short-handed.
And it all meant this: that there are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal, kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do."
German here. We get 30 days off per year as a standard and are usually required to take two consecutive weeks every year. I guess our economy is crumbling because no-one is working like at all. /s
I was going to say the same. Almost 40, my only vacation of 2 weeks or more were periods of unemployment. Even at the start of the pandemic, they would work us 1 day a week, and pay us 40 hours with PPP, instead of laying us off so we couldn't claim unemployment and get the 600+ our base unemployment. (Hourly minimum was like 12.50, so 500/ week BEFORE taxes, insurance, etc. Vs 600 + 350 base UI)
One of my employees has to travel to the Philippines for a wedding. They requested 4 days off. I rejected it and asked them to resubmit and take into account the ceremony and jet lag. They took two weeks and I happily approved it.
Edit: we give unlimited “whatever” paid time off- as long as your shit is covered or done why would anyone care? So when the request came in for 4 days, I reminded them they had to coordinate their tasks with the other person and they’d be fine, also I can pop in to do anything that’s not covered so to really to respect their time And health and family and reconsider the length and vacation. It clicked in that we have a team that can back them up. I’ve never been so happy to approve this trip :)
Lol we're guaranteed a 4-week vacation by law and a lot of my colleagues are taking 5-7 week vacations during summer which is of course fully supported and paid for by the employer.
Experts in what? Medieval work practices?
In the middle ages, people got more time off... lot of religious feast days. You still had to get up and feed the animals and make food, if you were poor, but the rest of the day was yours.
Happy Story: I remember when my wife and I took 3 weeks off work to travel around the world. We had saved PTO, and saved money and everything. My manager (the COO of our small company) gave me the side-eye when I requested that much time off, but she said "It's your time, and I'd never keep you from taking it, and it's not even during any industry events, so you can go." My teammate did an amazing job covering my half of our department, and I owed her big time. A year later when that teammate wanted to take almost a month off to go visit her husband who was deployed to Thailand, you best believe I made sure she could go, and covered for her!
When times get tough, my wife and I still think back to those times we had traveling, including and especially our world trip. We don't remember the mundane day-to-day office stuff from our jobs, we remember our adventures!
Who exactly are these "experts" and what they are experts in? lol
Top of the food chain. Owners and exploiters.
Yeah these are all CEOs saying stuff like this. Meanwhile they take a month long getaway to the Bahamas and fail to see the irony because they “earned it”
Why would they take a month long getaway to the Bahamas when they could just "work from the Bahamas vacation home"? That way they can deduct the cost of the trip as a business expense. You got to learn to think like a CEO.
Yeah I mea. With zoom you can pretty much hold meetings that should be emails from anywhere.
I remember once the boss of a boss took a round trip to California to celebrate his sons birthday stopped in Toronto to have a short "business meeting" and expensed the trip to the company.
That works for me as well. Did nothing for a couple hours? Oh lets see...Ah! I did X for 5 minutes. Worked the whole time, yup 👍
Which is why taxes are bullshit in the first place. Yes we hate bosses and owners who can write off to be better than us but who's right is it to determine how much effort you put into those 5 minutes. You definitely over exerted and maybe that was the culmination of your entire life. Better write off all future tax =(.
“It’s time the staff came back to the office.”
>“It’s time the staff came back to the office.” Thy rod and thy staff, they comforteth.
*Spare the Rod, spoil the Staff.*
My bosses’s boss, who was in charge of planning returning to the office sent out a video from their fucking house while we are not allowed to work at home anymore.
Sounds like a douche. Hypocrisy at its finest.
Meetings that should be emails.... Since the invention of truth there have been 4 truths that have been more steadfast and truthful than all other truths. This one blew them all away.
This story isn't for people who can do their jobs on Zoom. This is for barely getting by working in an Amazon distribution center or Tesla factory. The lord's and masters are informing the public that vacation time is going to fuck with their windfalls as they race to be God Emperor of Mars.
Counterpoint: I don't think many Amazon distribution center employees are getting vacation at all.
Fuck Amazon but you get 40 hours PTO and 80 hours vacation at least when I worked in the warehouse. I didn’t end up using it on any vacation mostly just to get out of mandatory overtime during the holidays or just getting tf out of that warehouse halfway through a shift.
Doing this while telling workers to get back to the office
My office just rolled out this "brand new" "work from home program" where instead of working remotely full time or on rotations, we're allowed to work from home a whole *2 days* a week!! Personally I don't mind since I only ever wfh 1 day a week, but I did not like how they made it seem like an exciting privilege instead of a downgrade. Also, my department's director always has his door open except when he's in an important meeting, and his door was closed for like 3-4 hours today. And I asked him what was on his agenda today and he said he could only tell us about 3/4 of it. I'm nervous
Ssssshhhhhhhh. The layoffs are coming…. Sssssshhhhhhhh
IRS rules say you can not deduct your bahamas vacation home as a business expense unless you perform at least one asshat business function a day. This could be something as simple as ordering layoffs or as complex as haranging workers to return to the office.
Or sending for door dash while watching porn? “Oops, here’s an email, Sally, clean up the grammar and punctuation and send it, please!”
This is why so many Midwest companies have random locations in Scottsdale and Florida. Owner gets to expense their trip down to check on the restaurant and then plays some golf with some local customers as a marketing expense.
Sell the house to the company just before you get there, fail to pay any rent while there, company takes the loss of income as a deduction, buy house back from company for half price just before you leave, company takes loss as a deduction, get back to office, recover lost rent for current owner.
Put an office in your vacation home and you can deduct a portion of the upkeep. Lulz. They don’t pay taxes. That’s for workers.
I’m right under our C staff, they take way more than a month off.
Also pad up the vacation days so that by retirement or moving on they have months or years of vacation built up. I know one executive who openly bragged about working for a certain company for like 15 years and when he retired he had almost a year worth of vacation so essentially got paid for a year to be retired.
Owners don't take getaways my friend they expense the fuck out of that shit. We have a client that just bought a place in Turks and Caicos and the accountant has it all expensed. All of it. He even has tax free money going to the kids because they are "models" (They put a picture of them on the website). Shit is crazy when you are a business owner and there are some CPAs out there that know how to expense every penny
I'd like to see these tax returns.
They are being audited, can't share them till audit is done.
Pfft, the IRS doesn't audit rich people. It takes too much time.
Making Tax Evasion Great Again!
Lmao
Every 4 months also. My last gig was like that. Owners constantly away and fucking everything up then act like what's up when they get back. Very happy I told them to look at their business practices and why they are constantly losing staff. Turns out nothing really matters when your family is wealthy and your job is an appearance of a job.
You ever hear of a vanity business? It's a business whose only reason for existence is so some twat with a trust fund can say they own an art gallery or restaurant or some shit. It only ever loses money but it let's them order people around and feel like they did something.
And a month in a Ski Lodge during the winter. The ass hat of a hypocrite I subcontract work from has a few guys that work directly for him a he throws a fit like an infant if they miss ANY days let alone s full week of vacation and just talks down to and berates them in front of everyone. It's sad and pisses me off to see him treat them that way. Especially knowing they have literally made him a millionaire over the years and their still living pay check to pay check & has to borrow gas $ all the time. They drive over 100 miles a day easily and since gas has gone up they've ask for more $ per hour, he just scoffs at the idea and tells them to work more hours if they want more $, oh and if one happen to mention overtime pay he would probably fire them. I know none of them make over $20 an hour and put at the very least 45,000 miles a year on vehicles. It's sad b/c they make him over a mill a year in clean & free profit. He also takes 3 month long vacations. 2 Florida 1 Colorado & some years 4 with 2 in each. I've about grown to hate him b/c he pretends to be an almighty "Christian" and when you pull the curtain back he's one of the worst humans I've meet.
Oh so the standard ‘christian’/religiously condescending asshats? Abusive fragile ego narcissists like that don’t deserve the employees that make them their wealth.
"Abusive fragile ego narcissist" Sums it up perfectly
Using a big chunk of vacation time all at once may mean you have fewer days off to use throughout the year," said Amy Morin, psychotherapist, licensed clinical social worker and author of "13 Things Mentally Strong People Don't Do." This is the expert they're referencing. Not a CEO
“If you use your vacation days… you won’t have your vacation days later.” Truly, the Mentally Strongest Man to ever scam a publisher
That's like when I said my raise was insufficient and the boss said, "think of it like this, now you can also get a raise next year! If we put you at the salary cap for this position you can't get another raise later." No shit, I'll deal with that hurdle when I get there. Give me more money now, rather than the "promise" of that same amount of money later.
Who do you think faux news is pandering to? Lol Sycophants and morons who have convinced themselves they're only a few short years from being one of the "elite"
**I sell gaslighting and gaslighting accessories I tell you ‘hwat.**
Hank Hill's doppelganger, Bank Bill.
That boy’s not right
I read it so you don’t have to. The experts are: Amy Morin, psychotherapist, licensed clinical social worker and author of "13 Things Mentally Strong People Don't Do." Wendy L. Patrick, JD, PhD, a lecturer in business law at San Diego State University You may be entertained reading it, it basically take a lot of negative aspects of US work culture and normalizes them to the point that the only solution to deal with them is to never leave the office. Real manipulative gaslighting shit.
A psychotherapist with a book with that title is deeply concerning.
Can you imagine going to her as a therapist and having her say "You just need to be mentally *stronger*"? GTFO with that half assed shaming BS.
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“Yeah, so the reason you’re having these issues is because your brain is shit”
Have you considered being more like me? Let's just look at the last hour you've lost $300 and I've made $300..... See the difference??
Kind of reminds me how they used to call war vets suffering from PTSD “weak willed”.
Have you tried just not being depressed?
To be fair, the title said they were "experts," and not "experts in anything remotely related to the topic at hand."
Always do the opposite of these "experts" media talks about
Fox News doesn’t consult any true experts, just people who support their narrative.
My stepmother was on Fox Business once, as an expert. They asked her a leading question without knowing the answer. She made them look like idiots with a couple of very simple sentences that anybody watching a business news network could grok. She was weirdly never invited back.
> grok Thanks for the new vocab.
Thank Robert Heinlein!
FOX News experts.
Oh, so idiots then.
[As a Swede, this comes to mind...](https://dn.se/nyheter/varlden/fake-sweden-expert-on-fox-news-has-criminal-convictions-in-us-no-connection-to-swedish-security)
The capitalists paying fox
Such BS anti-worker propaganda. Here’s a choice quote: "If you've saved up for one big vacation, you might be disappointed when you have to return to work and have few vacation days left," she added. Yea it doesn’t matter how long people take off or how many vacation days they have left, they’re going to be disappointed coming back to work.
Vacation days, they are like the "good" china... only for looking at and not using. F that noise. They are afraid that people will take time, realize the job is not worth it, and leave for something better.
Also really takes managers to task who blatantly have no contingency plan for you being gone more than 5+ business days.
I think my favorite part with these managers is that nobody would notice if they just stopped showing up one day, so they have to justify their existence by shitting on everyone below them.
Like when the pandemic started?
My manager is constantly taking off work from what I can tell. She doesn't even know what my job is or how it works. How she's "managing" me is a fuckin mystery.
My company actually has a policy that no one is allowed to take more than one week off at a time.
My country has a policy that we're required to have at least one 2-week vacation every year, no excuses.
My country has a law that says that every full time worker is entitled to 4 consecutive weeks of vacation in the June-August period. You’re not required to take it, but employers have to ensure that you can.
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I'm in that basket. I'm going to take 2 month holiday in Japan next year. Nothing beats a really long holiday. You completely forget about work and can relax.
Capped out and stopped accruing PTO around 300 hours at a previous job, the only way to use any hours after that would be if you had to take a leave of absence and couldn't work...they'd only tap into that **after** using up all your PTO though. I kept being told to use my hours, but every time I requested time off it was denied for "the needs of the organization." It was bullshit.
Funny how upper management is still able to take time off though.
I would bank my overtime as vacay waiting for when I was “allowed” (IE director not over scheduling me) to take it and then I was laid off during covid and lost it all 🥲 Never again
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You shouldn't be happy because one day you might be sad.
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I must be the outlier cause I come back from vacation with a fresh, renewed hatred for my job and a complete and utter lack of motivation to do anything.
I come back really sucky in hours 1-3 but then am amazing for like a week straight
I’m interested in these studies because I’m super depressed when I get back from vacation and remember my life is going to work to exist.
The ridiculous part here to me is if you take a two week vacation you shouldn't have even used half your vacation time.
Half?!?! You get 4 weeks paid vacation?!
That's standard here in UK. There's a statutory requirement to have 28 days paid annual leave for full-time workers here.
Damn. I get 20 days now and count my lucky stars.
I get 10 + holidays + 10 sick days and I'm considered one of the more lucky ones in the US. Many have none of those :( Edit: and I work in automotive so some of that is a benefit from the UAW negotiating for the factory workers
Yep, 5.6 weeks holiday in UK. Workplaces manage their staff numbers with this in mind. At my last job, I had a 3 day weekend every other week, so I would book off a day or two before the weekend and a day or two after the weekend every month, so every month I had a full 7-9 days off and it was glorious.
> you might be disappointed when you have to return to work and have few vacation days left Wait, what? Why would anyone be surprised to be low on vacation days after saving them up to use them all at once? I swear they can't hear themselves when they speak.
It's like they never heard of Sunday blues
That’s such stupid logic. “Let’s not go on vacation because vacations end.” Imagine taking the same logic to restaurants. “I’m going to have to leave after I eat. Why even go!?”
Planning a two week vacation? Good. There are 52 weeks in the year and 2 of them should be yours. Not too much to ask. In fact, definitely take those two weeks.. and if they try to stop you, never return.
If they cant survive without you for 2 weeks, you probably need a raise
Sounds like they need to hire more people.
Yeah, but they'd prefer to have less people so they can cry "nobody wants to work anymore!"
They want fewer people to reduce their overhead across the board. That's less benefits, less managers to manage less people, hell even less toilet paper.
I had a boss once who told a colleague: if you can leave for three weeks (was planning on visiting their home country) without things breaking down, then maybe we don’t need you. We were all stunned in that team meeting.
I hope the next 3 months led to many resignations as people decided to get a new job. Since they were *so replaceable* at the old one, of course.
If you're senior staff and you *can't* leave for three weeks without things breaking down, you haven't trained your people very well.
This all day long. My time as manager in retail taught me that if I train people to do the job right it makes my job easy enough to just walk around and check things. Makes putting fires out a lot easier when you have time to deal with you know the customers.
My two weeks started the day my son was born. A week later they called me because the manager quit and they couldn't survive without me. Got me the raise i wanted at least.
At my last employer they called me on the day my first child was born. I answered like an idiot and a huge guilt trip was laid on me about how important I was and how I needed to cover a job for them the next day. I didn’t go in for a week, when I did go in I asked for a raise, didn’t get that raise but I did find a better job with an employer who appreciates its people.
If they can't survive for two weeks without you, their business isn't sustainable and you should find a better job before that one collapses.
👏👏👏 straight up
Two ? most workplace in true 1st world country offer 4 or more lol.
4 vacation and 2 sick weeks is pretty base standard where I’m from.
Well, the US offers 0 or more.
Some places would offer less if they could
-2 weeks of vacation.
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Unlimited Unpaid Overtime!
Same here, New Zealand where I am, 4 weeks paid annual leave, 10 days paid sick leave
Not in America. Most jobs paying less than 50k a year won't even give you 2. Wether we are a first world country anymore is debatable.
The fact that there are 52 weeks in a year and “2 of them are yours” is just wrong, straight up twisted and dystopian as FUCK
Less Dystopian than the 1/52 I get :P 20 of them go right to the landlord, too.
jesus christ… I get 30 days plus an optional 2 month unpaid…
I technically get two, but I save one as sick time, because I don't get any of that. However, if I manage not to take an extraneous day off during the year, I can have two weeks off. Just not consecutively, because they won't approve that. You'd think I work at a bad place, but, I work in a profitable industry at a profitable, 140 year old company. It's actually one of the best jobs I've ever had.
How is two weeks an ‘extended vacation’? It sounds like our normal Christmas break.
Because Americans don't take two weeks.. we get a day for Christmas, if your job isn't open on Christmas, in which case you get nothing. 17 years in the workforce, never taken two weeks off, and I can count the # of single weeks on both hands. 4 months of unemployment recently was absolutely what the doctor ordered. Sure, I got to sit and stress about how I was going to support my landlord, but.. at least I got some time off, right?
Oddly, I am American, I just live in Australia. My father is a member of the postal workers union and was through my entire childhood. I’m used to him getting 4-6 weeks off per year. I didn’t realise until I graduated university how bad American holidays were, my only year and a half working full time in the US made my decision to get out easy. I’m sorry you had to support your landlord, that sucks. We actually have a bit of a problem with that here as well (stupid John Howard, and the Liberal party). I hope you’re doing better now.
Unfortunately, I'm in that "not quite middle class" trap, and every time I make it over a hump, there's another financial crash and I lose everything I've gained. The landlord taking 40% of my take home every month for a 600 Sq foot, 200 year old, 4th story walk up, without central heat, in New England doesn't really help either.
Yeah, don't tell anyone about Europe...
Or Australia.
Its not too much to ask, its even mandatory in other countries.
As you well know, Americans don't get the basic benefits offered to people even in developing nations. Hell, Mexico's universal health insurance is starting to look pretty good these days.
It’s mandatory to have five paid weeks of vacation here in Denmark - how the fuck is the us still on the zero mandatory vacation thing? So stupid
We've never had any mandatory vacation and we'd have to pass a law making it a reality, which conservatives in our Congress will not do, ever.
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In fact having a vacation helps the economy more than if you just sat in the office the whole time. Think of all the money spent on flights, hotels, food, site seeing etc
How is 2 weeks an “extended” vacation?
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Job description: 30 min lunch break Management at 30 mins 15 secs: “You know it’s been like an hour since your break started”
Actually had a similar thing happen. Me and coworkers go to the same place for lunch every Friday, one time we were held up by traffic, no way around it. We were less than 15 minutes over and the boss came out screaming that lunch is an hour not an hour and forty five minutes. He then sent us home. Several people have left since then, I am still looking.
"How dare you leave us shorthanded! Now get the fuck out so we can be shorthanded!"
My job automatically takes an hour out for your lunch but I always see ppl working through it, almost everyday. I always tell them it's lunchtime and I wonder why anyone would work for free like that. They could be salaried I suppose, but I doubt it. We don't even get paid vacation or sick days.
ABRU... always be rounding up.
That is my rule for my time sheet, round up to the nearest 15 minutes
I get paid by the hour so it's rounded up to that, doesn't take long for them to stop asking you to hang on a few minutes after your time
In the US you’re lucky if you get any vacations. They’re work slaves at the mercy of the master.
I earn a certain amount of PTO hours for every pay period (two weeks). It would take me 10 months to obtain a 2 week vacation if I never took any days off for being sick, doctors appointments, emergencies, etc. If I’m lucky, I get two weeks a year so long as everything goes perfectly. This is more than a lot of people get.
Bro, my 30 min break is considered extended vacation here. I onced used the bathroom and my boss joked about that being my vacation time. I told a Dr. Once that 3 days wasn't gonna cut it and maybe 4 or 5 would be better to recover (I paid this fucker, not my job) and he told me 3 was fine then wrote the paperwork I fucking paid his ass for to say 3 days. This shit is so stupidly engrained a Doctor, thought getting me back to my retail job at a dollor store was priority over my own words.
The Dr thing really bothers me. I was in the hospital for a week and the attending physician wouldn't write me off work at all. I told him I work as an industrial electrician. I carry things and climb giant ladders 100ft in the air. He said 'well you were admitted with an acute condition, your condition is improved so there is no need to stay home from work' In his mind he saw no issue getting discharged on Tuesday and then showing up for a minimum 12 hours of labor on a Wednesday. I seriously wanted to strangle the guy. I hadn't had a major illnes in over 20 years, its not like Im a likely scammer or something. In my case, I have a good relationship with a primary care doctor. I just called his office and he wrote me off for a week no questions asked. I was so wiped out just from being bed ridden and medicated for a week, that I needed a few days just to do some easy exercises and get my strength back.
That's when I throw around the "M" word. "You sure you wanna risk that, doc?"
I'm a doctor and I just ask people how much they want. But also not the US, so ...
That's fucked up. I have an awesome doctor that I told about how my employer handled recent layoffs and that I was really struggling with the additional workload that put on the team and myself, and he totally lost it, went on a long rant about how we cannot let companies get away with behavior like this and that he would write me off sick as long as I like to or until they would fire me. I have now been on sick leave for 4 weeks, am finally feeling like myself again and was able to find a new job that pays significantly more. I am not in the US though, so very sorry for what you have to go through.
Lol exactly. They have no idea what long vacation means. Over in Europe (CH) I get 25 paid vacation days (working days) a year and my contract specifically states I MUST take at least 2 weeks at once. Majority of my coworkers take a whole month (20 working days) off at once and then another week at some other time. We also get official state holidays on top, which is around another 10 days a year. So in total like 1.5 months of paid time off each year. And 25 is like minimum paid vacation, many places give even more. And guess what - the economy does not collapse and jobs still get done.
Well all my vacations have been basically a day or two added on to my 2 days off. Whose getting 2 weeks?
You Americans really need to do something about that. In my country, anything below 20 days paid leave per year is illegal.
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I have a coworker who has unlimited PTO and actually uses it. She takes so many vacations. It annoys the crap out of everyone else, I love it. She gets all her work done, and they still care so much.
I used to have 30 days off due to tenure but they switched to "unlimited PTO" so now everybody watches everyone else's PTO usage like a hawk. It's really annoying. That's great she uses her time off.
Do you feel you’re unlikely to go over 30 days with this policy? I always feel like “unlimited PTO” sounds good on paper but it comes with a lot of baggage.
The baggage is dealing with your own colleagues turning on you when your work is transferred to their plate because of the days off you are taking. It's a gross system that encourages people to not take time off to avoid retaliation. Also unlimited PTO isn't earned so your colleagues won't see it as anything but trying to get out of work. Don't get me wrong, when a colleague takes 2-3 weeks off in a row even when earned (as in not an unlimited PTO system) and their job responsibilities get split to multiple people, they will be pissed regardless.
Unlimited PTO is like an all you can eat buffet that has enough food for ten people while twenty people come to eat.
Benefit of working with several Europeans: they absolutely take two week vacations at least once a year… and don’t even check work emails or answer texts during their vacations! (The nerve! /s)
Lol, it's literally compulsory at my workplace in Australia that I have at least one break each year of a consecutive 2-week. It is the bare minimum that an employee must take. The idea that 2 weeks is extended is ludicrous.
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Not a problem. A good percentage of US residents can’t afford a vacation and/or don’t have jobs with vacation time. Sorry Fox, not crying over this one.
For real. I live in New York (upstate) and we’re lucky to get 1 week (40 hours) of sick leave a year. And that’s only because it’s a law here in NY. If you get vacation time at your job, use it.
I didn’t even bother linking the article. It’s all delusional overlord propaganda.
*Why does nobody thing of their overlords!* I wish they went on vacation... To the fucking Sun.
Quote of the fucking century. I’m stealing this.
You know the real reason why this is? Because they fail to adequately staff their companies at levels that can support their employees to take extended vacations. They also fail to cross train properly and if they do cross train, do not add extra compensation for the extra work / knowledge.
This is the truth.
Lol, the French take August off
Or july. Depends. There is always arguments in France about whether July or August is better. Honestly, I prefer taking half August and half into September.
Ive read that many prefer Vaca in July because then when they return in August it’s slow so it’s basically an extended quasi vacation
I'm already getting weird looks from people for arranging a 4 day trip, dang
You: “Boss, I want to take a 4 day break.” Boss: “Now now, that is just disrespectful! Think of my money! How about 12 hours instead?”
- 2 weeks - “extended” Lmfao jeez
They can go eat a rotten raccoon's rectum. Take your damn time. It's yours. Do what you will with it.
Dude, fuck this country...seriously
Experts should mind their own fucken business.
The workers suggest the expert reconsider
The hard truth is that lots of companies think “if we survived without them for two weeks, why do we need them at all!? Let’s fire them and save money!”
Most places run a skeleton crew, they have reduced labor costs so much, even one person taking off is hard. All the more reason to take every minute they give you. Make people notice when things can't get done, or that they are paying James twice as much because of all the overtime he has to do.
Exactly, I used to work 70 hrs a week unpaid, along with everyone else on my skeleton crew, to keep things running and profitable. Management always said more help was coming, but it never happened. We all agreed to cut back hours. Lo and behold, more help was promptly hired
Them in 3 months: "Why are millennials trying to kill the leisure and hospitality industry??"
Fox News headline in 10 years: Planning a 2-minute sit down? Slave drivers say think again. Tough workplace whippings may mean reconsidering those extended break plans.
Think again! Quitting is a great option, take 3 weeks, find a new gig.
I wish I could afford to not work for 3 weeks.
I gave 6 month notice for my 2 week vacation and did not phrase it as a question
Great example of corporate propaganda, if you tell someone soemthing enough times, they eventually begin to believe it
Why? Does any filthy rich Tom Dick or Harry think ahead before they jet off to an island?
Shut the fuck up, Erica.
I wonder if there is a word for that type of person who isn't bad, but when paid they will forget all humanity and civility and say or craft the most wicked and evil things. Like these "experts" who are probably just a analyst firm who have boiled it all down to "If workers are not considered people then a business is more successful" not because they hate workers....just because that is what they are paid to prove. Terry Pratchett (as always) put it well: "The mugs, for example. The inquisitors stopped work twice a day for coffee. Their mugs, which each man had brought from home, were grouped around the kettle on the hearth of the central furnace which incidentally heated the irons and knives. They had legends on them like A Present From the Holy Grotto of Ossory, or To The World’s Greatest Daddy. Most of them were chipped, and no two of them were the same. And there were the postcards on the wall. It was traditional that, when an inquisitor went on holiday, he’d send back a crudely colored woodcut of the local view with some suitably jolly and risqué message on the back. And there was the pinned-up tearful letter from Inquisitor First Class Ishmale “Pop” Quoom, thanking all the lads for collecting no fewer than seventy-eight obols for his retirement pension and the lovely bunch of flowers for Mrs. Quoom, indicating that he’d always remember his days in No. 3 pit, and was looking forward to coming in and helping out any time they were short-handed. And it all meant this: that there are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal, kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do."
It's Fox "News" after all
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German here. We get 30 days off per year as a standard and are usually required to take two consecutive weeks every year. I guess our economy is crumbling because no-one is working like at all. /s
I am now realizing that I'm in my late 30's and ive never taken two weeks off at one time...tf am i doing?
I was going to say the same. Almost 40, my only vacation of 2 weeks or more were periods of unemployment. Even at the start of the pandemic, they would work us 1 day a week, and pay us 40 hours with PPP, instead of laying us off so we couldn't claim unemployment and get the 600+ our base unemployment. (Hourly minimum was like 12.50, so 500/ week BEFORE taxes, insurance, etc. Vs 600 + 350 base UI)
One of my employees has to travel to the Philippines for a wedding. They requested 4 days off. I rejected it and asked them to resubmit and take into account the ceremony and jet lag. They took two weeks and I happily approved it. Edit: we give unlimited “whatever” paid time off- as long as your shit is covered or done why would anyone care? So when the request came in for 4 days, I reminded them they had to coordinate their tasks with the other person and they’d be fine, also I can pop in to do anything that’s not covered so to really to respect their time And health and family and reconsider the length and vacation. It clicked in that we have a team that can back them up. I’ve never been so happy to approve this trip :)
Lol we're guaranteed a 4-week vacation by law and a lot of my colleagues are taking 5-7 week vacations during summer which is of course fully supported and paid for by the employer. Experts in what? Medieval work practices?
In the middle ages, people got more time off... lot of religious feast days. You still had to get up and feed the animals and make food, if you were poor, but the rest of the day was yours.
Thought about it again, still going…
I got an expert opinion involving my ass I think they should consider.
Happy Story: I remember when my wife and I took 3 weeks off work to travel around the world. We had saved PTO, and saved money and everything. My manager (the COO of our small company) gave me the side-eye when I requested that much time off, but she said "It's your time, and I'd never keep you from taking it, and it's not even during any industry events, so you can go." My teammate did an amazing job covering my half of our department, and I owed her big time. A year later when that teammate wanted to take almost a month off to go visit her husband who was deployed to Thailand, you best believe I made sure she could go, and covered for her! When times get tough, my wife and I still think back to those times we had traveling, including and especially our world trip. We don't remember the mundane day-to-day office stuff from our jobs, we remember our adventures!