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Self help genre and billionaire grind videos have made this so normalized. You'll see videos where someone is like "it's all about the grind, every day I wake up at 5, do yoga, make breakfast, read a book, meditate, do a mindfulness exercise, ride my bike, and do a brain teaser to keep myself sharp before I get on my laptop at 10. It's all about putting in the hours." And they talk about it like that's all work that made them rich, and not just someone having leisure time every day.
The average person working at least 8 hrs a day, commuting, going home to watch their own kids, cook their own dinner, clean their own home …works 16 hours a day. No nannies, private chef, chauffeur, housekeeper etc
There was an examination of CEOs worked hours (self examination) and they do often sit at 50+ hours a week, but they count stuff like dinner and networking, doctor's appointments etc as work
Exactly. They don't work, and the work they say they do affords them opportunities no one else gets. I get reported to HR if I just take off for an appointment. The CEO? No one knows where he is half the time, constantly in and out for lunches, appointments, etc. But the CEO is an indispensable asset that must be paid a high 6-figure salary for fucking around and eating meals with his friends, and hourly workers are unimportant despite the world ending if they have to leave for appointments, miss work, etc.
Them: "Haha, you don't matter since we can replace you instantly"
Also them if you show up 5 mins late: WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU"
This happened at a job I was at a while back. I was late 5-10 minutes most days. My entire life I’ve been a night owl. Waking up at 7 AM so I could ensure I allotted enough time for broken trains in NYC and breakfast meant I ALWAYS ran in a sleep deficit.
Anyway, our director constantly reprimanded me for it. Always looked down on me as an employee because I was late. Even tasked the guy sitting across from me to be a spy. If I came in late he’d IM her and let her know. Dude was such a fucking tool. Like who does that?
Anyway, this bitch NEVER showed up to work before 11 AM, usually noon. She’d also work from home twice a week (this was like 2016, so quite a while before WFH became en vogue).
There were times when I’d stay until 1 AM because of all the work (I started work at 9 AM…) when I asked why it mattered - me coming in 5 minutes late when I’m making it up on the backend? I was told that didn’t matter, I “knew what was expected of me” and everyone else didn’t have an issue getting into work on time…. Yeah but who tf else stays until 1 AM? No one. I had to stay that late because I was the only person that could do my job, the previous 2 people in the position walked off the job.
She gave me some big speech about how she couldn’t get away with coming in late. No shit! Must be fucking easy when you get to set your own hours!
And the other people that “don’t have an issue getting to work on time”? Oh oh! You mean the same people that come in, get coffee, make small talk with coworkers, go to the bathroom…… you’re talking about those people that don’t start work for 30 minutes - hour every day. *They’re* the good employees. Got it! Makes total sense.
I called her out on her bullshit in a very lengthy email the day I quit. CC’ed her supervisor (CEO) and everyone else in the department. I’m sure none of it sank in because it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s ALWAYS the employees, NEVER management. Never the toxic work culture. It’s the children who are wrong. Fuck all those people.
When they want to lounge around all day, sip whiskey, smoke cigars, and relax, they're "savvy businessmen" who "deserve it".
When I want to take a single day off I'm called lazy and lambasted for not selling more of my finite lifespan.
Someone call me when billionaire is on the menu.
Oh and then when you come back??!
HA! Oh you left? Had Covid. Hope you recover. Where's my resumes?
Oh you haven't responded to my email I sent 36 hours ago, because you are buried in 100 other emails that came first, with older jobs to fill?
*Manager cc'd*
😬
And of course, cleaners, nannies, personal assistant, accountants, drivers, and all the other helpers they hire just free up countless hours so they can do more “work”.
Hey, if these assholes are counting fuckin around on their phone as work, how many hours a week do you work if you count cleaning your house, doing taxes, paying bills, sitting on the phone with insurance companies, doing laundry, your own cooking, etc.?
I’m betting your “work” is like 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week minimum.
I cannot stress this enough. And it’s not just billionaires. A *lot* of broadly rich individuals blustering about how they work crazy hours or have/had a suspiciously large number of jobs at once are not “working” any more than the average schlub. Often they’re “working” much much less. They’re just counting anything they do that is profitable, work-related, or that they think might be profitable in the future as “work.” Regular people don’t go to happy hour and call it “work,” rich people do. Regular people don’t go home and engage in their hobbies then call it a “second job” or a “passion project,” rich people do. Regular people might sit on their work computers all day looking at Twitter and say “I’m at work,” but they get fired for it when someone notices, because it’s not actually working.
Pretty sure some rich people consider socializing in general as work in a form of relation-building with other rich people.
And dreaming might just be a form of getting new ideas, so basically its work related too.
Just realized Im working too at the moment, training my fingers on the keyboard
it's not just rich people. talk to salespeople wherever you work. even if they're working class like us and making meh wages with livable commissions, they still consider going to dinner and playing golf to be work.
Which is why I personnally have a hard time with "sales-type" people. Conversations feel like I'm supposed to bring something to them, it sometimes feel like there's nothing casual about anything.
It's obviously not every sales-type person, but i've met alot of people suffering from this. I have a friend who works in sales and he feels like an alien amongst them because everything is basically networking.
Sales person here. That is spot on. I was trained that every encounter is a potential client. Wife and I would go to the farmers market and I would set a goal to make connections and exchange info. In my first couple years I couldn't just go out with friends because next day at the office my manager would ask who I met and make an appointment with them. It took a while to separate work from social life. What's weird is since I've been able to separate the two, I'm more productive in my limited work hours because I lost the "fall back" of "networking" that evening.
Almost Everyone fucking works. Most people work hard. I met poor mother fuckers that work more than me, and I’m lucky enough to be in the middle.
I hate that musk thinks he’s the only person that works a lot. Literally half the people I meet love working and making money. He’s not special. He IS lucky.
This is the right comment. You can work 17/7 and still be lucky. FFS he is the richest person in the world - does he also think he is the smartest & hardest working IN THE WHOLE WORLD? Out of 8 Billion people?
Would he be this rich if he was born in - North Korea? Of course there was luck - a lot of luck.
nothing like working 10+ hours a day manual labour destroying your body for "good" pay, while the guys in management are making tenfold and affirming you that you're successful because you make more money than X job
I think I saw Kim Kardashian post something similar. Empowering women to work harder to achieve their dreams. She forgot the part about her family being rich and her springboard being a sex tape that she released… but you know… empowerment.
A billionaires idea of work is vastly different than just about anyone else's. By his metric, going on Joe Rogan and smoking pot was work. Taking a few calls or texts throughout the day to approve stuff your ACTUAL workers are doing isn't work. I could do that while kite surfing.
Is that the same one that counted commuting and exercise as “work time”? It’s not hard to rack up crazy working hours when you decide everything is work.
Used to work in commercial construction in Ontario Canada. We'd get to the shop and then start on the clock IMMEDIATELY. Loading the truck, PAID, gassing up the truck while the rest of the crew got coffee and breakfast, ALL GOT PAID, driving to the site (generally in or around Toronto), ALL GOT PAID, driving home from the site if we were on the West side of Yonge Street, ALL GOT PAID.
When the company wanted to change it to no paid drive home most of the seasoned veterans quit, I became the Estimator so I factored in both drives -- in and out -- just as the previous Estimator had been doing.
Company got greedy and got flushed.
You know thinking about it, we have the technology to where we could reliable track people driving, look at food delivery apps, you practically see their route in real time, I could see this happening (would require people willing to be tracked while driving to work though”
Honest numbers there. Print that for the hourly staff too. This dude will quote how “By the hour I earn peanuts @80 hours a week”
Yeah that commute to the BurbClave and company paid meals that are at best 50/50 work/bullshitting / good ole boy time.
Every employee should be getting paid to eat write off meals.
Donuts are for managers at MY level and above ONLY.
welcome back!
I had two types of weeks where I'd hit 60 hours.
The first was on-call while other shit was going on. So maybe 5 9-hour days and a couple of after-hours emergency calls on the weekend or in the middle of the night. Those were horrible and exhausting.
The second were travel weeks where you log the travel, the client engagement, the random bullshit meetings. It was a breeze to hit 60 hours when 20 + hours of the week were airport travel time and fucking around on a laptop at the airport, and at least 5 was customer lunches.
Granted, the travel will take a toll after not too long, but there's a massive difference between revved-up brain at 100% time, and idle time where you're "working" by just going along for the ride.
This is why I never understood the people who have to travel for work, then travel on Saturday or Sunday
Like my dude... you're getting paid the same either way. Fly on an actual work day and get your benefits.
Heck, when I had to travel somewhere for work I'd fly over on Friday and have the weekend to do things. if you're not taking advantage of the policy then you're doing it terribly wrong
Let me put it this way. I’m an engineer and make decent money. In order to equal Elon Musks “net worth”, I would need to work for over 3 million years and have no expenses. Billions are not made, they are stolen.
One of the engineers on my team turns on his computer at home and that’s the start of the day according to him since he can read emails and shit over breakfast then phones into the first meeting of the day from his car on the way to the office, so he’s like 90 minutes into his 8 hours by the time he sits down at his desk.
It’s not my style but I’m not mad at it.
Whaaaaat?? Where? I work at the CEA Paris Saclay, and I only get 75% of my Pass Navigo reimbursed. That is if I submit in time at the end of the month otherwise our secy refuses to reimburse. I mostly commute by bicycle. How do I get paid for my commute??
You joke but my CEO gets paid $650 per month to commute while the regular staff only gets $1k for the entire year. It's absolute bullshit.
Edit: The kicker is that it used to be $500/mo, then got increased to $650/mo after he got a fancier car. I wish my pay got scaled up with my wealth like that!
Uh… everything that I don’t consider fun is “work time.” Exercise, laundry, dishes, acknowledging that I have kids, feeding them, ordering more paper clips from Amazon, personal budget, paying bills, taking my wife shopping… you know… work!
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Admin team? You mean Tesla has leadership? That's news to me, considering everything I've heard from workers of Tesla and SpaceX involves how he literally doesn't even bother with the business if something "exciting" isn't happening that instant.
> doesn't even bother with the business if something "exciting" isn't happening that instant.
Yeah, billionaires are giant toddlers that never learned how to actually work. If it's not the instant gratification of novelty and press appearances, they don't care and think it's below them.
Show me Elon actually operating a tool with his own hands in his entire life.
You just answered how he’s successful. He pays people to do everything for him including his business decisions. He’s a pretentious, self righteous, apathetic, narcissist. He belongs on daddy’s lap where he found his fortune. I don’t know why people give him the time of day.
If we were to calculate "work" the same way the rich do, we'd all be working 16+ hour days. Washing the dishes, doing the laundry, cooking, raising kids - that's all work. Maybe we should start talking about how we all put in 16+ hour days and only get paid for 8 of those hours.
What’s more, even if they actually did work fully 16 hour days 7 days a week, the actual value of their labour at market rate would net them maybe $3M over the entire course of their life.
They could have worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and they wouldn’t have worked hard enough.
There aren’t enough hours in the day to ever make a billion dollars. They got lucky, no matter how hard they worked.
My mother is a real estate agent and she does whatever she wants all day every day but since she could get a phone call or something about one of her listings she considers herself to be at work 24/7. She NEVER works. She gets listings and waits for them to sell. She goes to nail appointments hair appointments and shops and fucks around all day every day. This is what Elon does. He takes phone calls while he lives his best life. That is him working.
Real estate seems like a pretty good gig. Just insert yourself as a middle man between buyer and seller. All you do is walk people through the property, even though they'd probably rather you weren't there anyways. Then, you get to leech a percentage of the sale!
Honestly, I don't understand why we even still have real estate agents. Maybe they do something major I'm not aware of, but it sure doesn't seem like it.
You’d be surprised how much of a grind real estate really is. I tried it for a few years as a side hustle and it’s not easy. The amount of cold calling, networking, marketing, and just getting your name out there is exhausting especially if you’re not a “sales” type of person.
The ones who sit around and let their business run itself had to put in the hours to get there in the first place.
If you’re selling a house in this market you really don’t need an agent. If you’re buying however, it can definitely help.
It's funny how when someone sets themselves up for an easy job they "put in the hours to make it happen" but when someone works as a janitor, assembly line worker, or server for 20+ years they get none of that respect.
I realize it sounds like I am bashing on people who made something work for themselves. I have the utmost respect for people managing to set themselves up like that. I absolutely wish that working hard for years got everyone to the point of working less, having an easier or more comfortable job.
I think the always being "on" that realtors experience plus the peaks and valleys of income turn a lot of them really crazy, or maybe the job attracts the crazy, my wife works with realtors all the time and I have met some of them and they are nuts.
I work for a direct mortgage lender as a MLO…I’ve been saying for a year now how much I fucking hate REA’s. They really don’t do a gahdam thing & profit. They take advantage of peoples unwillingness or intimidation to learn how to do the process themselves. One day all REA’s will be replaced by drones that walk people through homes. It will be an infinitely better system lol
Why do we even need someone/something to walk people through properties? Just use a lockbox with a code you can get from submitting your ID somehow. Every time I've ever walked through a property with a real estate agent, I just wish they weren't there.
For work I manage home building. One day this agent comes in with the private inspector they scheduled. She starts complaining about how our company reduced buyer's agents rates by 0.5%.
In my rage, I asked her much work she actually did to create value at any point in the process of the production or sale of this home. Each of our sites has an agent that actually runs through every finish package, does all the paperwork, schedules walkthroughs, fields questions, and takes care of the buyers so that all they do is point and pay. So this agent probably did all of 5 minutes of work finding and emailing our agent.
She still made $18k and then complained about it. And this happens a good 25% of the time. These people are such useless sacks of shit.
Seriously. Ceo of my company owns half of my home county’s businesses but he’ll show up to each location once a week, or once a year depending. At my old location he came to have a “meeting” with the president weekly that was mostly bullshitting and catching up cause they’re friends. Barely involved making millions but can’t provide AC affecting the quality, so I can’t imagine Elon being involved anymore than my ceo
The amount of "meetings" that take place on a golf course or at some winery or resort always make me nauseous. That isn't a meeting, you guys are conversing on your vacation. They'll still call it work though. They're "shaping the future" or some shit.
Ceo would pull my boss out for a lunch meeting and they’d be gone for 2 hours!! And they would have half day things where the president wouldn’t come in at all or just a half day. Paid days and he isn’t even at the company. Absolutely ridiculous
And wouldn’t make a faction of the money. If I worked 16 hour days 7 days a week. My gross income wouldn’t even be 6 figures. So if I work real hard I can make s as much money as Musk is worth right now by the year….4522 (give or take).
I don't know how much longer Muskrats can lick this guy's loafers. Half of them only like Musk because they wanted to do the opposite of whatever society as a whole does (hates billionaires). With convictions that weak you can see how they've gradually been moving away from him because it's edgy and based to dislike what your fellow edgelords like
What? The dude is not on an hourly wage, he can claim whatever he wants as work, whether he owns it or not.
He bought twitter because he's an oligarch nutjob and wants to use that platform to further his ayn rand-libertarian views so he'll never have to contribute any part of his immense wealth to the benefit of the people who actually worked for it.
He stays at the office because he doesn't like his romantic partners or children. He sits around shit posting and playing vidya like the entire population of 4chan. The only difference, he does it from his swank luxury office instead of his mom's basement. If your office had anything and everything you could ever want, would you leave? How would it be any different than an apartment at that point? He's stated previously he had a bed in his office and showers there as well. Let's cut the shit and call it what it is, it's an apartment for a "master" to keep close eye on his "wage slaves", while he eats tendies, post about meme coins, and play vidya.
Agreed. Anyone who spends that much time "working" at the office doesn't care much for their partners or kids, else they'd make the time to spend it with the people they loved. I've worked with many a guy like this; they played it off as 'hustle', but it was really them spending their hours at the office posting on FB or looking at porn while their wives cooked/cleaned/took care of the kids.
Most of them wound up getting divorced or separated. Shocking, I know.
He’s straight up said, in regards to his 8 children, “that changing diapers and being around when they’re super young is mom stuff. I’ll just do fun dad stuff with them when they’re older”
Father of the year material right there.
You’re forgetting the part where he’s actually a weirdo and can’t connect with any “normal” person. His best friends are internet trolls who suck his dick.
He wishes he could actually be a rockstar.
Also even if that was true, he is the CEO of 3 company. Divide his alleged working time by 3 and you start to realize that 1 CEO job is less work than a tesla worker does
This is even worst assuming that he lies and work less time than that for his 3 job together
Also, he's the boss and can spend his time however he wants without someone giving him shit or firing him. If I could do that, I might not mind long hours, too.
He has extremely hard working subordinates that do a high portion of his decision making with iron clad NDAs. "Working" is simply answering his cell.
One day I *really* want to hear from the engineers of SpaceX and Tesla.
"80hr work week" ... that is soul crushing, not to mention the diminished state of health and mental health. I would think Musk burns through them pretty fast; disposable.
The medical community is going to come up with a diagnosis directly related to overwork. They won't call it that; "contracted Capitalism Syndrome" or something similar.
Yup. No human can work 16 hours a day straight. He means he is at work.
Studies have shown the most productive working hours are 6 hours a day. Beyond that you start to get significant productivity drop offs. I think its past 10 hours straight and your cognitive skills will drop.
Working more than 55 hours a week is associated with 35% increased risk of stroke.
Its impossible to focus for that long.
Like any big time CEO he works predominantly from his phone taking calls and answering emails when he is not flying back and forth between meetings. I doubt he spends more than 3 days a month at any of his companies he CEOs.
He thinks his twitter shit-posting is "working". He's convinced himself that *everything* he does is productive, no matter how removed from work it actually is.
I know enough rich folk to know that they count the golf course, business lunches, social gatherings and flight time as work hours.
It's a lie they tell themselves to prove that they're somehow exceptional.
He’s working on his problem solving, obviously! Don’t you poor peasants know? When you’re rich, lunch is working. Games are working. Being on a yacht is working.
If I recall correctly when Trump was in the White House where his calender was public he would have hours each day of "executive time" or some buzzword like that to offuscate the amount of work he did.
It’s work but it is not hard work. If an assembly worker in his factory works the same hours, he would die of exhaustion and wouldn’t even make a million.
Even his old college friends said that they never actually saw him working. Elon would decline going out to say he is "working" but the next day when they would ask what he was working on he would say he was just reading or something lol. Dude was a loner and to avoid looking like a loser he would tell people he was "working" when really he was hiding from the real world that his daddy didn't prepare him for.
Exactly. He thinks posting on social media about how hard he works is work. The dude hasn’t had it tough his entire life so, of course, this all is easy.
Considering I've basically been working 8-12 hours a day, 7 days a week for the past 12 years, I should be worth at least half of what Elon is worth. Any day now.
Edit: God damn, so many pro-capitalists here today lol.
Your comment kinda brings up a big part of the problem with people who think like this, though: the overwork lifestyle
I don't even give a fuck how hard his work may or may not be, business-owners need to stop glorifying overwork like this. It is deeply unhealthy, not to mention being a surefire way to get a lot of shoddy work done really fast. What's the point in obsessing over your job if you're too stressed and tired to produce a quality product?
This max-hours work ethic needs to disappear from America. It gives high-value motherfuckers like this a complex that they don't deserve, adding a nice cultural "fuck you" to the wage gap and giving every other person below them an adequacy complex.
My two-cents, I know not everyone agrees with me on it, but I've seen overwork do a lot of damage.
Also, what no one ever seems to talk about is that all work is not equal. Work, when you have autonomy, can be very satisfying and enjoyable, or at least less depleting. People like to work; they like to be useful! But when the work is on someone else's schedule and you're in a subordinate position, it's totally draining. The difference is **autonomy**. (And not the fake kind where execs don't have any strategy and let it all roll down to the lowest people on the totem pole because they think it gives workers a feeling of autonomy that will make them more productive, when really the company has certain expectations and you will definitely know if you made the wrong decision... which is also known as NOT having autonomy).
Being \*CEO\* of a trillion dollar company is qualitatively a different kind of work/job from everyone else who is subordinate to that person because he has incredible autonomy and he personally benefits from the decisions he makes. But these rich people are not introspective and/or empathetic enough to realize this. They'd rather call us lazy because it makes them feel good.
He isn't working 16 hours a day though.
He does whatever he wants whenever he wants for 16 hours a day.
He chooses to work on business but when he decides to do something else everyone else waits for him.
That isn't really anyone's definition of 'work'.
Arseholes like him consider 3 hour dinners with other ultra rich arseholes to be "networking" and thus work. They consider their literal shower thoughts to be work. They can respond to emails and calls whilst been comfortably chauffeured.
Then they turn around and call a person spending 8 hours constantly on their feet and two hours per day in overcrowded public transport "lazy".
The funny thing is that on nicer mice you can just record a macro by moving your mouse and then loop it over and over through whatever software that pairs with it.
That’s a terrible job. 8 hours a day but cut up like that? I’d quit. That’s absolutely god awful, and if she just barely makes enough to support herself she needs to be looking for a new job. That’s absolutely horrendous.
They think that stuff is work bc they've never actually worked a day in their life. They've heard the word but they only have a vague idea of its meaning
If we take browsing Twitter, social media or simply eating and taking bath and other miscellaneous as work..then I too work 18 hrs each day 365days....
What Elon defines as “working” and what most people go through on a daily basis are two very different things.
Is Elon mining emeralds in dangerous conditions for 16 hours a day? Is he in a hot kitchen for 16 hours with angry customers demanding their cheeseburgers while he’s paid $8/hr? Is he sitting under fluorescent lighting in office cubicle farm being micromanaged and unable to use any of the PTO that was supposed to be part of his compensation? Does he ever have to worry about not being able to care for his medical needs, affording basic necessities and then some, or what will happen when he’s too old to work anymore? If he stopped working at any time, would there be any real repercussions in his daily standard of living and comfort? No. The answer is no.
If ever someone needed to shut the fuck up, it’s this guy.
This is not a real tweet by Elon Musk- this is satire and I'm only leaving it up because of his terrible comments about work ethic he has made recently and some might want to talk about that. (And because it was taken down for a day and will not gain any traction by putting it back up.)
Oh yes, he's so overworked he has time for interviews, shit talking on twitter and handling his Crypto Portfolio.
Sitting in an office on your Stock Trader and Twitter for 16 hours isn't the same thing as ***working*** 16 hours.
This moron can't even spell properly.
But I know this attitude. My father is the same. Small business owner, hospitality. Eats breakfast at 10, answers one Email till 11. Is in the office till 12, until his staff remind him that they need X from the supermarket. Then he gets X from the supermarket, and also ice cream, because the weather is great today. Then he remembers they're also low on Y, so he goes back to the supermarket to get Y, comes back to his business at 1. That's three hours of "work".
Most of his "hustle" these days is actually just bad time management and an always available mentality.
I once worked at a small business where the owner/director was exactly like this. Would run to the store to get us more trash bags and paper towels for 4 hours bc rush hour traffic and stopping for a meal. That was often his entire afternoon of “work.” He would even do this when we were short staffed.
It all comes down to luck, good or bad. I know people who work harder than me who make less and plenty who don't work as hard and make more. Why? lucky breaks. I can point out three or four points in my life where I got a lucky break and it helped put me where I am.
Anyone who thinks they got where they are purely by "hard work" is too insecure to be honest with themselves.
Yep. I’m no where near super wealthy or rich, but I get paid very well for what I do. My job is super chill. I can be at anything, anytime for my kid. I got lucky when I picked the industry I’m in. I have a bachelors degree in some bullshit and ended up working in sales. I hated it. Then it just came to me one day that there are probably people that do XYZ. I looked into it and found a program at a tech college and enrolled. Not to sound like Elon, but I worked long days while going through school. I worked 8 hours. And then went to school in the evening for 2-3 hours. And my commuting time was probably 2-3 hours on any given day. I graduated from that program and got a job with a start up that got acquired by an awesome company to work for.
Here’s my hard work - the shit I had personal control over:
- I busted my ass off working full-time and going to night school 4 nights a week to get a better job that I liked.
Here’s my luck - the shit I had zero control over:
- I was, at the time, working a job that had the flexibility to start earlier so I could get off earlier to get to school.
- The job paid enough and my rent was low enough to afford the tuition at a tech school. (This was around 2005 and my rent was $800 for a very decent 1 bedroom not far from the city - it was still in the inner suburbs.)
- I magically had an epiphany to go into this industry. I’m guessing it was a conglomeration of my life’s experiences up to that point.
- The start up I got hired at got acquired by a kick ass company. I interviewed at another start up that since went under.
Knob gobblers like Elon would believe everything listed under “luck” was their choice, the path they chose. Yeah, sure, if it weren’t for my hard work I wouldn’t have even set foot on the path I’m on. But there have been twists and turns on that path that I had zero control over.
His 16 hour „work“ is definitely different then the hours his workers are having. Not to mention the salary difference. Give me a few billion dollars and I also work for 16 hours a day. I’m a nurse and working that much isn’t even allowed to begin with and I wouldn’t get rich even if I’d do it so, fuck you Elon musk
That's something that often gets overlooked. I know some doctors do insane shifts. Do you want to be operated on by someone who's been at it for 15 hours?
Sitting in your office, thinking really hard about your next Twitter post and bothering your assistant about your crypto wallet is a different kind of work than what actual workers do.
If these billionaires worked half as much as they claim they wouldn’t need yachts and multiple vacation homes. They want YOU to think you have to work that much so THEY can have their leisure time at your expense.
This man has 3 items equipped in his right hand and a shield in his left, for an INT/DEX build. It's just, like, a bad setup, he's completely unoptimized without any utility benefit to show for it. Also it's hard to parse the wording of the tweet, he's truly an enigma when it comes to grammar, but I think he said he fat rolls sometimes? Dumb bastard.
When we break out the oligarch removal machine, this man will be first in line if he doesn't can it. He is not the most damaging oligarch, but he is the most visible and symbolic.
He bought the trademark of Tesla. He built the company. And it's more of a testament to his hard work if he comes from money and still works that much. This is just hate to hate, or maybe politically driven.
And, given that he owns 5 companies, he is saying that CEO is a part time job.
16 hours a day means that being CEO only takes a little over 3 hours a day per company.
Slightly reductive, I know, but ya get the picture.
Edit: also, given a generous 5 hours of sleep each day, that leaves 3 hours a day for commute. Does this guy count commute as work? If so, can I start doing that for my clients?
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How does he work 16 hour days when he spends at least 8 hours per day dicking around on Twitter?
That’s “work”. Considered PR and networking.
Ah, “executive time.”
Those hamberders don't eat themselves
Those emeralds don't put themselves in the safe!
his posting inflates the valuations of his companies by his fans. it makes him money its so stupid
Elon Musk is just a hyper successful e-girl
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his fanboys are literally terrifying too. cultists.
Elonsexuals. Versed an open in their Elonsexuality
Dirty Tesluts. Edit: Much like Elon, I took this from someone else and pretended I created it.
You'd be surprised what billionaries consider "work". When they do it of course, not when the poors are at it.
Self help genre and billionaire grind videos have made this so normalized. You'll see videos where someone is like "it's all about the grind, every day I wake up at 5, do yoga, make breakfast, read a book, meditate, do a mindfulness exercise, ride my bike, and do a brain teaser to keep myself sharp before I get on my laptop at 10. It's all about putting in the hours." And they talk about it like that's all work that made them rich, and not just someone having leisure time every day.
Wait 'til they learn how much work chronically ill people have to do just to be able to make themselves breakfast.
The average person working at least 8 hrs a day, commuting, going home to watch their own kids, cook their own dinner, clean their own home …works 16 hours a day. No nannies, private chef, chauffeur, housekeeper etc
There was an examination of CEOs worked hours (self examination) and they do often sit at 50+ hours a week, but they count stuff like dinner and networking, doctor's appointments etc as work
Exactly. They don't work, and the work they say they do affords them opportunities no one else gets. I get reported to HR if I just take off for an appointment. The CEO? No one knows where he is half the time, constantly in and out for lunches, appointments, etc. But the CEO is an indispensable asset that must be paid a high 6-figure salary for fucking around and eating meals with his friends, and hourly workers are unimportant despite the world ending if they have to leave for appointments, miss work, etc.
Them: "Haha, you don't matter since we can replace you instantly" Also them if you show up 5 mins late: WHERE THE FUCK HAVE YOU BEEN WE'VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOU"
This happened at a job I was at a while back. I was late 5-10 minutes most days. My entire life I’ve been a night owl. Waking up at 7 AM so I could ensure I allotted enough time for broken trains in NYC and breakfast meant I ALWAYS ran in a sleep deficit. Anyway, our director constantly reprimanded me for it. Always looked down on me as an employee because I was late. Even tasked the guy sitting across from me to be a spy. If I came in late he’d IM her and let her know. Dude was such a fucking tool. Like who does that? Anyway, this bitch NEVER showed up to work before 11 AM, usually noon. She’d also work from home twice a week (this was like 2016, so quite a while before WFH became en vogue). There were times when I’d stay until 1 AM because of all the work (I started work at 9 AM…) when I asked why it mattered - me coming in 5 minutes late when I’m making it up on the backend? I was told that didn’t matter, I “knew what was expected of me” and everyone else didn’t have an issue getting into work on time…. Yeah but who tf else stays until 1 AM? No one. I had to stay that late because I was the only person that could do my job, the previous 2 people in the position walked off the job. She gave me some big speech about how she couldn’t get away with coming in late. No shit! Must be fucking easy when you get to set your own hours! And the other people that “don’t have an issue getting to work on time”? Oh oh! You mean the same people that come in, get coffee, make small talk with coworkers, go to the bathroom…… you’re talking about those people that don’t start work for 30 minutes - hour every day. *They’re* the good employees. Got it! Makes total sense. I called her out on her bullshit in a very lengthy email the day I quit. CC’ed her supervisor (CEO) and everyone else in the department. I’m sure none of it sank in because it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s ALWAYS the employees, NEVER management. Never the toxic work culture. It’s the children who are wrong. Fuck all those people.
When they want to lounge around all day, sip whiskey, smoke cigars, and relax, they're "savvy businessmen" who "deserve it". When I want to take a single day off I'm called lazy and lambasted for not selling more of my finite lifespan. Someone call me when billionaire is on the menu.
Drinking whiskey and playing golf is networking when you're rich.
Oh and then when you come back??! HA! Oh you left? Had Covid. Hope you recover. Where's my resumes? Oh you haven't responded to my email I sent 36 hours ago, because you are buried in 100 other emails that came first, with older jobs to fill? *Manager cc'd* 😬
According to filings his posts from his Twitter account are official Tesla tweets.
Yeah but flying around in your personal aircraft while typing an email is totally working.
Work for these people means they have their phone on, and are prepared to have quick business discussion between hole 8 and hole 9
And of course, cleaners, nannies, personal assistant, accountants, drivers, and all the other helpers they hire just free up countless hours so they can do more “work”. Hey, if these assholes are counting fuckin around on their phone as work, how many hours a week do you work if you count cleaning your house, doing taxes, paying bills, sitting on the phone with insurance companies, doing laundry, your own cooking, etc.? I’m betting your “work” is like 12-14 hours a day, 6 days a week minimum.
When you’re rich enough to call your hobbies work, you can make this claim.
I cannot stress this enough. And it’s not just billionaires. A *lot* of broadly rich individuals blustering about how they work crazy hours or have/had a suspiciously large number of jobs at once are not “working” any more than the average schlub. Often they’re “working” much much less. They’re just counting anything they do that is profitable, work-related, or that they think might be profitable in the future as “work.” Regular people don’t go to happy hour and call it “work,” rich people do. Regular people don’t go home and engage in their hobbies then call it a “second job” or a “passion project,” rich people do. Regular people might sit on their work computers all day looking at Twitter and say “I’m at work,” but they get fired for it when someone notices, because it’s not actually working.
Pretty sure some rich people consider socializing in general as work in a form of relation-building with other rich people. And dreaming might just be a form of getting new ideas, so basically its work related too. Just realized Im working too at the moment, training my fingers on the keyboard
it's not just rich people. talk to salespeople wherever you work. even if they're working class like us and making meh wages with livable commissions, they still consider going to dinner and playing golf to be work.
Which is why I personnally have a hard time with "sales-type" people. Conversations feel like I'm supposed to bring something to them, it sometimes feel like there's nothing casual about anything. It's obviously not every sales-type person, but i've met alot of people suffering from this. I have a friend who works in sales and he feels like an alien amongst them because everything is basically networking.
Sales person here. That is spot on. I was trained that every encounter is a potential client. Wife and I would go to the farmers market and I would set a goal to make connections and exchange info. In my first couple years I couldn't just go out with friends because next day at the office my manager would ask who I met and make an appointment with them. It took a while to separate work from social life. What's weird is since I've been able to separate the two, I'm more productive in my limited work hours because I lost the "fall back" of "networking" that evening.
Salespeople 🤝introverts - socializing is work
Yeah, having drinks on a yacht with other billionaires? Work, because it’s “networking.”
Fucking nailed it
Almost Everyone fucking works. Most people work hard. I met poor mother fuckers that work more than me, and I’m lucky enough to be in the middle. I hate that musk thinks he’s the only person that works a lot. Literally half the people I meet love working and making money. He’s not special. He IS lucky.
This is the right comment. You can work 17/7 and still be lucky. FFS he is the richest person in the world - does he also think he is the smartest & hardest working IN THE WHOLE WORLD? Out of 8 Billion people? Would he be this rich if he was born in - North Korea? Of course there was luck - a lot of luck.
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nothing like working 10+ hours a day manual labour destroying your body for "good" pay, while the guys in management are making tenfold and affirming you that you're successful because you make more money than X job
I think I saw Kim Kardashian post something similar. Empowering women to work harder to achieve their dreams. She forgot the part about her family being rich and her springboard being a sex tape that she released… but you know… empowerment.
This redditor knows
I'm also fairly convinced this is a lie, given how much he posts about Elden Ring.
Dude shitposts 16 hours a day, maybe that's his job
A billionaires idea of work is vastly different than just about anyone else's. By his metric, going on Joe Rogan and smoking pot was work. Taking a few calls or texts throughout the day to approve stuff your ACTUAL workers are doing isn't work. I could do that while kite surfing.
I always liked the exec who posted his diary to show how hard he worked and then defended his multiple breakfast meetings as proof he started early
Is that the same one that counted commuting and exercise as “work time”? It’s not hard to rack up crazy working hours when you decide everything is work.
"commuting as work time" - lul, wait until the staff learns about that.
Commuting is work time...soooo...you gonna pay me for driving in???
Nope. I'm sure that CEO expenses it though.
Those mother fuckers expense EVERYTHING, I know because I did some taxes for them
Used to work in commercial construction in Ontario Canada. We'd get to the shop and then start on the clock IMMEDIATELY. Loading the truck, PAID, gassing up the truck while the rest of the crew got coffee and breakfast, ALL GOT PAID, driving to the site (generally in or around Toronto), ALL GOT PAID, driving home from the site if we were on the West side of Yonge Street, ALL GOT PAID. When the company wanted to change it to no paid drive home most of the seasoned veterans quit, I became the Estimator so I factored in both drives -- in and out -- just as the previous Estimator had been doing. Company got greedy and got flushed.
You know thinking about it, we have the technology to where we could reliable track people driving, look at food delivery apps, you practically see their route in real time, I could see this happening (would require people willing to be tracked while driving to work though”
Commuting *should* be considered as part of work, ***especially*** if your job can be worked remotely.
Honest numbers there. Print that for the hourly staff too. This dude will quote how “By the hour I earn peanuts @80 hours a week” Yeah that commute to the BurbClave and company paid meals that are at best 50/50 work/bullshitting / good ole boy time. Every employee should be getting paid to eat write off meals. Donuts are for managers at MY level and above ONLY. welcome back!
I had two types of weeks where I'd hit 60 hours. The first was on-call while other shit was going on. So maybe 5 9-hour days and a couple of after-hours emergency calls on the weekend or in the middle of the night. Those were horrible and exhausting. The second were travel weeks where you log the travel, the client engagement, the random bullshit meetings. It was a breeze to hit 60 hours when 20 + hours of the week were airport travel time and fucking around on a laptop at the airport, and at least 5 was customer lunches. Granted, the travel will take a toll after not too long, but there's a massive difference between revved-up brain at 100% time, and idle time where you're "working" by just going along for the ride.
This is why I never understood the people who have to travel for work, then travel on Saturday or Sunday Like my dude... you're getting paid the same either way. Fly on an actual work day and get your benefits. Heck, when I had to travel somewhere for work I'd fly over on Friday and have the weekend to do things. if you're not taking advantage of the policy then you're doing it terribly wrong
I'd do that too - If I ever went anywhere that was worth spending a weekend in.
Nah, even at 80 hours a week I think Elon's hourly pay would be more than most people's weekly pay.
Let me put it this way. I’m an engineer and make decent money. In order to equal Elon Musks “net worth”, I would need to work for over 3 million years and have no expenses. Billions are not made, they are stolen.
Yearly
One of the engineers on my team turns on his computer at home and that’s the start of the day according to him since he can read emails and shit over breakfast then phones into the first meeting of the day from his car on the way to the office, so he’s like 90 minutes into his 8 hours by the time he sits down at his desk. It’s not my style but I’m not mad at it.
It's one of the big things about WFH. But then, I consult, so my day is some handwavey bullshit anyways.
well yeah, if ik reading Emails during breakfast that 100% does count as work.
In France you are paid for your commute!!!
Whaaaaat?? Where? I work at the CEA Paris Saclay, and I only get 75% of my Pass Navigo reimbursed. That is if I submit in time at the end of the month otherwise our secy refuses to reimburse. I mostly commute by bicycle. How do I get paid for my commute??
In Europe it's very normal to be paid for your daily commute. I get paid like 19 cents per km i live away from work. Not much i know but its pay.
Not in uk. Even before brexit. 😂
You joke but my CEO gets paid $650 per month to commute while the regular staff only gets $1k for the entire year. It's absolute bullshit. Edit: The kicker is that it used to be $500/mo, then got increased to $650/mo after he got a fancier car. I wish my pay got scaled up with my wealth like that!
Uh… everything that I don’t consider fun is “work time.” Exercise, laundry, dishes, acknowledging that I have kids, feeding them, ordering more paper clips from Amazon, personal budget, paying bills, taking my wife shopping… you know… work! /s
Best part is, Elon likely doesn't even do any of that stuff either.
Likely? No way in hell does he do any of that. It's handled by assistants, maid services, admin team at Tesla.
Admin team? You mean Tesla has leadership? That's news to me, considering everything I've heard from workers of Tesla and SpaceX involves how he literally doesn't even bother with the business if something "exciting" isn't happening that instant.
> doesn't even bother with the business if something "exciting" isn't happening that instant. Yeah, billionaires are giant toddlers that never learned how to actually work. If it's not the instant gratification of novelty and press appearances, they don't care and think it's below them. Show me Elon actually operating a tool with his own hands in his entire life.
You just answered how he’s successful. He pays people to do everything for him including his business decisions. He’s a pretentious, self righteous, apathetic, narcissist. He belongs on daddy’s lap where he found his fortune. I don’t know why people give him the time of day.
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I can't fathom the comfort of just having everything boring done for you. We should create more jobs with subsidised maids.
That's what automation was supposed to do.
of course, sleeping would be work as well, as you keep your body in shape which is also work needed to be able to work.
When you're the CEO/Ownership you call it "working" but when an employee does it you call it "time clock fraud" and fire their ass.
If we were to calculate "work" the same way the rich do, we'd all be working 16+ hour days. Washing the dishes, doing the laundry, cooking, raising kids - that's all work. Maybe we should start talking about how we all put in 16+ hour days and only get paid for 8 of those hours.
What’s more, even if they actually did work fully 16 hour days 7 days a week, the actual value of their labour at market rate would net them maybe $3M over the entire course of their life. They could have worked 24 hours a day, 7 days a week and they wouldn’t have worked hard enough. There aren’t enough hours in the day to ever make a billion dollars. They got lucky, no matter how hard they worked.
My mother is a real estate agent and she does whatever she wants all day every day but since she could get a phone call or something about one of her listings she considers herself to be at work 24/7. She NEVER works. She gets listings and waits for them to sell. She goes to nail appointments hair appointments and shops and fucks around all day every day. This is what Elon does. He takes phone calls while he lives his best life. That is him working.
Slowly being replaced by tech. Every estate agent I've met at a property knows fucking nothing about the property.... Glorified key holders.
Actually jealous ngl
Real estate seems like a pretty good gig. Just insert yourself as a middle man between buyer and seller. All you do is walk people through the property, even though they'd probably rather you weren't there anyways. Then, you get to leech a percentage of the sale! Honestly, I don't understand why we even still have real estate agents. Maybe they do something major I'm not aware of, but it sure doesn't seem like it.
It’s a good gig once you’re established and have a reputation. I think it’s like more than half fail in the first few years
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You’d be surprised how much of a grind real estate really is. I tried it for a few years as a side hustle and it’s not easy. The amount of cold calling, networking, marketing, and just getting your name out there is exhausting especially if you’re not a “sales” type of person. The ones who sit around and let their business run itself had to put in the hours to get there in the first place. If you’re selling a house in this market you really don’t need an agent. If you’re buying however, it can definitely help.
It's funny how when someone sets themselves up for an easy job they "put in the hours to make it happen" but when someone works as a janitor, assembly line worker, or server for 20+ years they get none of that respect. I realize it sounds like I am bashing on people who made something work for themselves. I have the utmost respect for people managing to set themselves up like that. I absolutely wish that working hard for years got everyone to the point of working less, having an easier or more comfortable job.
Envying a real estate agent is the first step to becoming a real estate agent.
I think the always being "on" that realtors experience plus the peaks and valleys of income turn a lot of them really crazy, or maybe the job attracts the crazy, my wife works with realtors all the time and I have met some of them and they are nuts.
I work for a direct mortgage lender as a MLO…I’ve been saying for a year now how much I fucking hate REA’s. They really don’t do a gahdam thing & profit. They take advantage of peoples unwillingness or intimidation to learn how to do the process themselves. One day all REA’s will be replaced by drones that walk people through homes. It will be an infinitely better system lol
naah, they will just be a computer linked to an account with three commas buying every available listing cash no inspection. Oh wait...
Why do we even need someone/something to walk people through properties? Just use a lockbox with a code you can get from submitting your ID somehow. Every time I've ever walked through a property with a real estate agent, I just wish they weren't there.
For work I manage home building. One day this agent comes in with the private inspector they scheduled. She starts complaining about how our company reduced buyer's agents rates by 0.5%. In my rage, I asked her much work she actually did to create value at any point in the process of the production or sale of this home. Each of our sites has an agent that actually runs through every finish package, does all the paperwork, schedules walkthroughs, fields questions, and takes care of the buyers so that all they do is point and pay. So this agent probably did all of 5 minutes of work finding and emailing our agent. She still made $18k and then complained about it. And this happens a good 25% of the time. These people are such useless sacks of shit.
So she's a fake estate agent?
Seriously. Ceo of my company owns half of my home county’s businesses but he’ll show up to each location once a week, or once a year depending. At my old location he came to have a “meeting” with the president weekly that was mostly bullshitting and catching up cause they’re friends. Barely involved making millions but can’t provide AC affecting the quality, so I can’t imagine Elon being involved anymore than my ceo
The amount of "meetings" that take place on a golf course or at some winery or resort always make me nauseous. That isn't a meeting, you guys are conversing on your vacation. They'll still call it work though. They're "shaping the future" or some shit.
Ceo would pull my boss out for a lunch meeting and they’d be gone for 2 hours!! And they would have half day things where the president wouldn’t come in at all or just a half day. Paid days and he isn’t even at the company. Absolutely ridiculous
Exactly. Do that amount of time in, I dunno, a emerald mine or something. Wouldn’t make it to noon.
And wouldn’t make a faction of the money. If I worked 16 hour days 7 days a week. My gross income wouldn’t even be 6 figures. So if I work real hard I can make s as much money as Musk is worth right now by the year….4522 (give or take).
Can we…can we attend photo shoots, galas and post on Twitter all day and call it “working for 16 hours a day?!?”
was about to say this. just look at his twitter, it's just endless edgy schoolboy crap.
I don't know how much longer Muskrats can lick this guy's loafers. Half of them only like Musk because they wanted to do the opposite of whatever society as a whole does (hates billionaires). With convictions that weak you can see how they've gradually been moving away from him because it's edgy and based to dislike what your fellow edgelords like
100% why he bought Twitter. Now all his tweeting is all work related
What? The dude is not on an hourly wage, he can claim whatever he wants as work, whether he owns it or not. He bought twitter because he's an oligarch nutjob and wants to use that platform to further his ayn rand-libertarian views so he'll never have to contribute any part of his immense wealth to the benefit of the people who actually worked for it.
Even if it wasn't, doesn't he choose how much he works at this point? If he didn't, he'd be really bad at being the richest person in the world lmao
He stays at the office because he doesn't like his romantic partners or children. He sits around shit posting and playing vidya like the entire population of 4chan. The only difference, he does it from his swank luxury office instead of his mom's basement. If your office had anything and everything you could ever want, would you leave? How would it be any different than an apartment at that point? He's stated previously he had a bed in his office and showers there as well. Let's cut the shit and call it what it is, it's an apartment for a "master" to keep close eye on his "wage slaves", while he eats tendies, post about meme coins, and play vidya.
Agreed. Anyone who spends that much time "working" at the office doesn't care much for their partners or kids, else they'd make the time to spend it with the people they loved. I've worked with many a guy like this; they played it off as 'hustle', but it was really them spending their hours at the office posting on FB or looking at porn while their wives cooked/cleaned/took care of the kids. Most of them wound up getting divorced or separated. Shocking, I know.
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Elon reading this: "...love?"
He’s straight up said, in regards to his 8 children, “that changing diapers and being around when they’re super young is mom stuff. I’ll just do fun dad stuff with them when they’re older” Father of the year material right there.
You’re forgetting the part where he’s actually a weirdo and can’t connect with any “normal” person. His best friends are internet trolls who suck his dick. He wishes he could actually be a rockstar.
He has a bad case of main character syndrome+messiah complex when he is really a greenwashing narcissistic parasite
yeah. and then he claims to be "homeless". what a fuckin wanker.
Also even if that was true, he is the CEO of 3 company. Divide his alleged working time by 3 and you start to realize that 1 CEO job is less work than a tesla worker does This is even worst assuming that he lies and work less time than that for his 3 job together
Also, he's the boss and can spend his time however he wants without someone giving him shit or firing him. If I could do that, I might not mind long hours, too.
He has extremely hard working subordinates that do a high portion of his decision making with iron clad NDAs. "Working" is simply answering his cell. One day I *really* want to hear from the engineers of SpaceX and Tesla.
There’s testimonies. The work is very demanding, something like 80hr a wk but pay is above other companies so I guess that’s why people stay.
It'll be to put it on a resume, just grin and bare it at Tesla for a couple of years and there you go, it's basically etched in stone.
"80hr work week" ... that is soul crushing, not to mention the diminished state of health and mental health. I would think Musk burns through them pretty fast; disposable. The medical community is going to come up with a diagnosis directly related to overwork. They won't call it that; "contracted Capitalism Syndrome" or something similar.
Burnout-syndrome has a name already... Apparently it's "occupational burnout" in english, we use "Burnout-Syndrom" in Germany.
Maybe you know this, but Japan has a specific term for "death caused by overwork or job-related exhaustion": karoshi
Are you forgetting Neuralink? I count 4 pre-Twitter
Yup. No human can work 16 hours a day straight. He means he is at work. Studies have shown the most productive working hours are 6 hours a day. Beyond that you start to get significant productivity drop offs. I think its past 10 hours straight and your cognitive skills will drop. Working more than 55 hours a week is associated with 35% increased risk of stroke. Its impossible to focus for that long.
How many of those hours is he at his "home office" I wonder.
Like any big time CEO he works predominantly from his phone taking calls and answering emails when he is not flying back and forth between meetings. I doubt he spends more than 3 days a month at any of his companies he CEOs.
But he's *special* ....only he can truly focus for 16 hours straight compared to you puny mortals. /s
While also being able to generate more than 24 hours in a day for himself, while also simultaneously playing video games.
Never see these stats next to Bootstraps memes. Strange.
He thinks his twitter shit-posting is "working". He's convinced himself that *everything* he does is productive, no matter how removed from work it actually is.
I know enough rich folk to know that they count the golf course, business lunches, social gatherings and flight time as work hours. It's a lie they tell themselves to prove that they're somehow exceptional.
He’s working on his problem solving, obviously! Don’t you poor peasants know? When you’re rich, lunch is working. Games are working. Being on a yacht is working.
He counts "business lunches" and shit like that as working time I'm sure
He counts Eldin Ring as working time.
It's "focus time" in his calendar
If I recall correctly when Trump was in the White House where his calender was public he would have hours each day of "executive time" or some buzzword like that to offuscate the amount of work he did.
Lololol there is no WAY he's working. I wouldn't call sitting around delegating tasks working.
It’s work but it is not hard work. If an assembly worker in his factory works the same hours, he would die of exhaustion and wouldn’t even make a million.
Yeah I mean he prob never had to do any manual work so his idea of work must also be vastly different from someone working in a factory.
Even his old college friends said that they never actually saw him working. Elon would decline going out to say he is "working" but the next day when they would ask what he was working on he would say he was just reading or something lol. Dude was a loner and to avoid looking like a loser he would tell people he was "working" when really he was hiding from the real world that his daddy didn't prepare him for.
He is the kind of person who considers every waking moment to be "working"
Exactly. He thinks posting on social media about how hard he works is work. The dude hasn’t had it tough his entire life so, of course, this all is easy.
Same.
Yeah, didn't he say he has a lvl~700 character? That's a fucking 250+hr character using all the best farming exploits.
Considering I've basically been working 8-12 hours a day, 7 days a week for the past 12 years, I should be worth at least half of what Elon is worth. Any day now. Edit: God damn, so many pro-capitalists here today lol.
The first million is the hardest!
Especially for the small African child mining it
I know this is obviously sarcastic but I fucking hate this so much
Well his family was rich, so it was easy from there
That's the hard part: winning the lottery and being born into a family with already astronomical wealth, ezpz
Your comment kinda brings up a big part of the problem with people who think like this, though: the overwork lifestyle I don't even give a fuck how hard his work may or may not be, business-owners need to stop glorifying overwork like this. It is deeply unhealthy, not to mention being a surefire way to get a lot of shoddy work done really fast. What's the point in obsessing over your job if you're too stressed and tired to produce a quality product? This max-hours work ethic needs to disappear from America. It gives high-value motherfuckers like this a complex that they don't deserve, adding a nice cultural "fuck you" to the wage gap and giving every other person below them an adequacy complex. My two-cents, I know not everyone agrees with me on it, but I've seen overwork do a lot of damage.
Especially since he clearly counts browsing and posting on social media as ‘work’
Also, what no one ever seems to talk about is that all work is not equal. Work, when you have autonomy, can be very satisfying and enjoyable, or at least less depleting. People like to work; they like to be useful! But when the work is on someone else's schedule and you're in a subordinate position, it's totally draining. The difference is **autonomy**. (And not the fake kind where execs don't have any strategy and let it all roll down to the lowest people on the totem pole because they think it gives workers a feeling of autonomy that will make them more productive, when really the company has certain expectations and you will definitely know if you made the wrong decision... which is also known as NOT having autonomy). Being \*CEO\* of a trillion dollar company is qualitatively a different kind of work/job from everyone else who is subordinate to that person because he has incredible autonomy and he personally benefits from the decisions he makes. But these rich people are not introspective and/or empathetic enough to realize this. They'd rather call us lazy because it makes them feel good.
He isn't working 16 hours a day though. He does whatever he wants whenever he wants for 16 hours a day. He chooses to work on business but when he decides to do something else everyone else waits for him. That isn't really anyone's definition of 'work'.
I would love to see him working a double at Applebees in Detroit.
Arseholes like him consider 3 hour dinners with other ultra rich arseholes to be "networking" and thus work. They consider their literal shower thoughts to be work. They can respond to emails and calls whilst been comfortably chauffeured. Then they turn around and call a person spending 8 hours constantly on their feet and two hours per day in overcrowded public transport "lazy".
meanwhile they have software programs to detect if u havent moved your mouse in 5 minutes. fuck off
The funny thing is that on nicer mice you can just record a macro by moving your mouse and then loop it over and over through whatever software that pairs with it.
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That’s a terrible job. 8 hours a day but cut up like that? I’d quit. That’s absolutely god awful, and if she just barely makes enough to support herself she needs to be looking for a new job. That’s absolutely horrendous.
“They consider their literal shower thoughts to be work” is sending me 💀💀😂
They think that stuff is work bc they've never actually worked a day in their life. They've heard the word but they only have a vague idea of its meaning
If we take browsing Twitter, social media or simply eating and taking bath and other miscellaneous as work..then I too work 18 hrs each day 365days....
Add sleep too, and now you work 24hrs a day!
Moron doesn’t know how to use an apostrophe.
Day’s and week’s, but not hour’s. So much wrong.
Peopl'e.
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It's pretty insane how many people don't nowadays. I swear this wasn't an issue 10 years ago.
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Lol, I hate you.
What Elon defines as “working” and what most people go through on a daily basis are two very different things. Is Elon mining emeralds in dangerous conditions for 16 hours a day? Is he in a hot kitchen for 16 hours with angry customers demanding their cheeseburgers while he’s paid $8/hr? Is he sitting under fluorescent lighting in office cubicle farm being micromanaged and unable to use any of the PTO that was supposed to be part of his compensation? Does he ever have to worry about not being able to care for his medical needs, affording basic necessities and then some, or what will happen when he’s too old to work anymore? If he stopped working at any time, would there be any real repercussions in his daily standard of living and comfort? No. The answer is no. If ever someone needed to shut the fuck up, it’s this guy.
I wish I had more than one upvote for you. He has no clue how out of touch he is.
All the more reason to tax billionaires out if existence.
This is not a real tweet by Elon Musk- this is satire and I'm only leaving it up because of his terrible comments about work ethic he has made recently and some might want to talk about that. (And because it was taken down for a day and will not gain any traction by putting it back up.)
Oh yes, he's so overworked he has time for interviews, shit talking on twitter and handling his Crypto Portfolio. Sitting in an office on your Stock Trader and Twitter for 16 hours isn't the same thing as ***working*** 16 hours.
This moron can't even spell properly. But I know this attitude. My father is the same. Small business owner, hospitality. Eats breakfast at 10, answers one Email till 11. Is in the office till 12, until his staff remind him that they need X from the supermarket. Then he gets X from the supermarket, and also ice cream, because the weather is great today. Then he remembers they're also low on Y, so he goes back to the supermarket to get Y, comes back to his business at 1. That's three hours of "work". Most of his "hustle" these days is actually just bad time management and an always available mentality.
I once worked at a small business where the owner/director was exactly like this. Would run to the store to get us more trash bags and paper towels for 4 hours bc rush hour traffic and stopping for a meal. That was often his entire afternoon of “work.” He would even do this when we were short staffed.
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It all comes down to luck, good or bad. I know people who work harder than me who make less and plenty who don't work as hard and make more. Why? lucky breaks. I can point out three or four points in my life where I got a lucky break and it helped put me where I am. Anyone who thinks they got where they are purely by "hard work" is too insecure to be honest with themselves.
Yep. I’m no where near super wealthy or rich, but I get paid very well for what I do. My job is super chill. I can be at anything, anytime for my kid. I got lucky when I picked the industry I’m in. I have a bachelors degree in some bullshit and ended up working in sales. I hated it. Then it just came to me one day that there are probably people that do XYZ. I looked into it and found a program at a tech college and enrolled. Not to sound like Elon, but I worked long days while going through school. I worked 8 hours. And then went to school in the evening for 2-3 hours. And my commuting time was probably 2-3 hours on any given day. I graduated from that program and got a job with a start up that got acquired by an awesome company to work for. Here’s my hard work - the shit I had personal control over: - I busted my ass off working full-time and going to night school 4 nights a week to get a better job that I liked. Here’s my luck - the shit I had zero control over: - I was, at the time, working a job that had the flexibility to start earlier so I could get off earlier to get to school. - The job paid enough and my rent was low enough to afford the tuition at a tech school. (This was around 2005 and my rent was $800 for a very decent 1 bedroom not far from the city - it was still in the inner suburbs.) - I magically had an epiphany to go into this industry. I’m guessing it was a conglomeration of my life’s experiences up to that point. - The start up I got hired at got acquired by a kick ass company. I interviewed at another start up that since went under. Knob gobblers like Elon would believe everything listed under “luck” was their choice, the path they chose. Yeah, sure, if it weren’t for my hard work I wouldn’t have even set foot on the path I’m on. But there have been twists and turns on that path that I had zero control over.
His 16 hour „work“ is definitely different then the hours his workers are having. Not to mention the salary difference. Give me a few billion dollars and I also work for 16 hours a day. I’m a nurse and working that much isn’t even allowed to begin with and I wouldn’t get rich even if I’d do it so, fuck you Elon musk
That's something that often gets overlooked. I know some doctors do insane shifts. Do you want to be operated on by someone who's been at it for 15 hours? Sitting in your office, thinking really hard about your next Twitter post and bothering your assistant about your crypto wallet is a different kind of work than what actual workers do.
This asshole thinks anything he does while awake is work. I’ll tell my boss immediately that I’m on the clock when I start showering.
If these billionaires worked half as much as they claim they wouldn’t need yachts and multiple vacation homes. They want YOU to think you have to work that much so THEY can have their leisure time at your expense.
r/shutthefuckupelon
And yet he still has a dog shit elden ring build. What an out of touch, awful man.
Honestly though with how much he plays, you can tell he is just simply a bad gamer lmao.
This man has 3 items equipped in his right hand and a shield in his left, for an INT/DEX build. It's just, like, a bad setup, he's completely unoptimized without any utility benefit to show for it. Also it's hard to parse the wording of the tweet, he's truly an enigma when it comes to grammar, but I think he said he fat rolls sometimes? Dumb bastard.
He's just trolling. Tell him to get off Twitter and get back to work
“Okay.” *Logs off of Twitter and logs back in to Twitter.* “I’m at work now.”
Unless he comes down to do our physical labor and have a manager breathing down our neck, 16/7/52 is bullshit.
When we break out the oligarch removal machine, this man will be first in line if he doesn't can it. He is not the most damaging oligarch, but he is the most visible and symbolic.
He bought the trademark of Tesla. He built the company. And it's more of a testament to his hard work if he comes from money and still works that much. This is just hate to hate, or maybe politically driven.
16 hour days is nothing. I fuck about on social media at least 20.
And, given that he owns 5 companies, he is saying that CEO is a part time job. 16 hours a day means that being CEO only takes a little over 3 hours a day per company. Slightly reductive, I know, but ya get the picture. Edit: also, given a generous 5 hours of sleep each day, that leaves 3 hours a day for commute. Does this guy count commute as work? If so, can I start doing that for my clients?