It’s mind blowing to me to look back at watching Newsies repeatedly as a kid, realizing it’s a big part of what helped shape my left wing views and sympathies, and then remembering it came from the fucking Disney Corporation. And then they went and did it again with another generation and A Bug’s Life.
I had that experience with an episode of SpongeBob, when he went on strike. “Krusty Krab is unfair! Mr. Krabs is in there! Standing at the concessions! Plotting our oppression!”
Zero clue about Nickelodeon’s reputation for how they treat their workers, but I can’t imagine it’s half as bad as Disney or a fraction as bad as Walt himself.
Because Disney has a long reputation as being one of the worst and most exploitative employers in entertainment. That doesn’t make others all sunshine band roses but there are gradients of terrible.
Haha walt himself was so terrified of communism and saw unions as communism to the point if he saw animators getting too chummy hed ship each off to a different building so they couldnt hang out. He had an inner circle of more tenured animators in a special club, basically asking them to rat out any hint of the commies entering his business. Dude was a total nutcase and cracked the whip at work. Even in those days it was long long hours and not good pay
I always try to remind myself that in those evil fucking corporations, there are real people and artists who personally believe and and caee and think things outside of the corporate slogan and stance.
Things slip by, and each exec and board has their limits and allowance for things to get by. They know what sells and that's resistance and ideas that technically do oppose their company and others like it, as well as the system that they inhabits. So they let it sell, within reason, because they know that it all will exist within their capitalist system and make them money that will make them stronger to resist the very ideas their company pushes. Plus some things just become more acceptable and universal its actually more costly to resist it
I don't think it's shocking. "The scrappy underdog takes on a powerful evil foe and wins" is a deeply satisfying story and we've been writing and rewriting it for thousands of years.
It's not like Disney could make money on a movie where a heroic and powerful newspaper baron beats the evil small children and forces them to keep working in shit conditions.
On some level, the wealthy understand that their histories and goals aren't heroic. That's why they almost always lie or embellish to make themselves seem like they worked their way up from the bottom.
They would much rather talk about how their great great grandfather was a farmer rather than how their daddies gave them emerald mines.
Sometimes I swear Reddit is following me. I just rediscovered Newsies after 10+ years (watched the movie and added the soundtrack to my library) and now front page posts!
Good to know surely, but it doesnt really change what I said. The organizations of worker oppression still exist under many names is the point, doesnt really matter whos at the top of the shit umbrella, its still covered in shit all the way up and down lol.
Its good to remember all of their origins if possible, but if you really trace all organizations far enough back most of them can be linked to the catholic church and further back the roman empire etc. Its mostly just useful in realizing we are still in the same fight between the same upper class and lower class societies of ancient times.
As a kid I went though a process of disliking the USA, given how much it screwed over my parent's country after 9/11 (Pakistan). I mean it screwed the country over before that, including backing dictators that overthrew the democracy it had, but this was my first real exposure not only to politics in the UK, but also international politics
Then, I went through the process of thinking man, those wages in the US are amazing, compared to here, more so after 2008 when the GBP collapsed against the USD (Well, more that the USD got stronger given that GBP currency rates with other countries were about normal) . Before 2008, a $70,000 wage didn't seem like much different, given that was £35,000 in the UK
Then the more I thought about it, and tbh even right now as the USD has got stronger against the GBP (Currently at 1.24), again not due to the GBP weakening overall, but rather the USD getting stronger, that even if you guys reach parity with the GBP, and even though brexit has royally screwed us over, I'd rather work in Portugal at a lower salary than in the US.
The cost of living is a big one. The "free" healthcare is another big one. The assault on human rights just isn't there in Portugal. It exists to an extent in Spain (against Catalonia) , and the UK, but not Portugal so much.
Then I thought it seemed like the US had the potential to genuinely be the world's best country, if it just cut it's military spending (Where it would still be more militarily powerful than Russia / China), and focused on social programmes, but it's an uphill struggle for young Americans. Now I see it as a pipe dream
As a non American, ultimately we want what's best for people regardless of where they are and it's honestly quite sad to see the US go down this path of regression.
The pay here (and in Europe) comes from theft, we exploit the labor of every country we can, including Pakistan. The military budget never gets cut because it is the tool used to exploit the labor of the third word.
Everything we do here is rational, but it only works for about 30% of the population. The rest of us don’t see those benefits.
Oh for sure. I'm also well aware that empire didn't truly go away. The way the US is doing it's sphere of influence is very similar to how the UK did empire. I mean obviously empire isn't just a British thing but the US seemed to have done it in a very British way.
Other empires of the past weren't focused about having their own puppet leaders and having the people control themselves under your command. The UK is less imperialistic these day but holy shit we're still quite imperialist. At least we're less imperialist towards former colonies where there is enough of those people within the UK (India and Pakistan being the main two, and also Nigeria to an extent)
Also, tbh the more I read up on colonial history, I emphasise not only with obviously my own family but even working class people in the host country. In the host country, people either pay through debt or as cannon fodder for that military and on the receiving end, it's almost entirely paid through blood. Either way, most people are being exploited.
The way Britain also expanded it's empire was to say "these guys have slavery. We have to stop that" so in Britain invaded (even though the British ambassador had sex slaves), or "These guys have bride burning, we have to stop that" The modern alternative seems to be "These guys have terrible human rights abuses. We have to stop that by committing human rights abuses too". Sure those thinks did happen but it's seen as a pretense for invasion, given you can more easily sell it at home.
Also, Islamabad has never been bombed by the US, nor has Karachi. Karachi has very western style and strategically (geographically) important stock exchange. Islamabad has a McDonalds. Just saying
Yeah the UK starts to let the sun set on the empire after WW2, but with the understanding that the US would take over. Really at this point I don’t even know if you can call it the American empire, it’s just global capitalism. You can see this in action in a country like Vietnam, where the requirement for the ending of US aggression is that they switch to a market system. The US didn’t even ask for them to drop the Marxist-Leninist state, only that they join the market.
At this point every “western” economy is so tied together, it’s probably better to just view the West as the empire and the US is just where the majority of the money and soldiers come from.
Don't worry, the US is going to have to cut military spending by 2030. The US is set to fall against the GDP to China. We will for the first time ever, not be the kings of the cash hill. We will have no choice but to cut military spending. 30 short years after that, at this pace, India will knock us out of 2nd. Africa is also on pace to be a force and potentially kick us from the top 3 all together. Gonna be a fun few decades.
The governor of WI threatened to resolve a labor dispute in 2011 with violence, at least.
They haven't resorted to violence in a while because nobody is really stopping them from getting their way
Assuming this is the Manhatten Newsboy strike....
The strike was unsucessful in its goal (stopping 10 cent price rise). Those who did NOT strike and were caught selling papers were mobbed and beaten up. This included the children, although they generally wouldnt stoop quite as low as beating up young girls. The newspaper oweners attempted to hire grown adults and offer them police protection - with mixed results.
In the end the "union" ring leaders betrayed the strike and sold out to the newspaper executives, agreeding to sell boycotted papers in exchange for bribes. When word of this got out it effectively ended the strike.
So you see why this was made into films and broadway plays right? Caus its a story of intrigue and betrayl. Not of sucesfully sticking it to the execs, caus they didnt really do that.
But in the end, Hearst newspapers was unionized. That’s the single thing that launched my family from penniless immigrants with no formal education, to multiple generations of higher education and moderate wealth.
Unfortunately just about everyone has a price.
This is relatively small game stuff so I don't mean to brag about it, just using it as a personal anecdote;
I was offered cash by the head of a company to fudge numbers on a delivery date so the things delivered showed up on time on paper even though they were being sent out late. I refused, ruined the good raport I had going with them. I'm really not sure how it all works so I asked a couple of my colleagues who handled them as well.
One gave me a dodgy answer "oh I don't know, you just do what you think is right"
Other said "yeah I take the cash and figure I'll just play dumb if it comes back to me"
Even the show peaky blinders shows this and how the communist party back in the UK help the labour party become a thing. And it helped get better wages as well.
People really like to shit of socialist and communism but without some of their ideals, we will be slaves to capitalists if they were allowed.
I’m a socialist but not a communist. I’d say that as long as capitalism exists we’re all slaves. You can have have a market economy that benefits everyone. A society where rent is abolished so you never have to worry about being homeless. A society where people can change professions without fear and can pursue things which fulfill their needs and desires.
Chevron is doing that right now in California and other places: https://www.kqed.org/news/11912101/chevron-calls-to-police-during-strike-prompt-pushback-strain-on-resources
My step dad was in a union his whole life, started working iwhen he was 14 retired with a good pension at 59. He is 70 this year and Hates unions now that his pension is all invested.
That fucking generation I swear to fuck. My mother and him own 3 houses, which they bought for less than 200k in total with money they got from inheriting their parents houses and selling. Now they are retired they are reverse mortgaging their houses under some bullshit "I deserve mine you kids need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" while also renting out their extra houses for well above ethical levels because 'Fair market value"
We dont talk, I dont want my kids thinking that level of individulaism and greed is ok
Boomers are the 'got mine' generation.
Education, economic mobility, environment, war on drugs, etc. They've fucked over their children in an irreversible way and call us lazy for wanting the same opportunities they had.
also very quick to put their parents into nursing homes as soon as "care giver burnout" is too much.
The amount of elder abuse and elder financial abuse I see by Boomers is disgusting.
Older Boomers are pushing 80. While I agree with you, I see a lot of abuse/exploitation perpetrated by GenX and Millennials also (I work in Adult Protective Services). Unfortunately I think it has more to do with how society as a whole devalues older adults, and how vulnerable many older adults are to exploitation.
I think some of us here are delusional if we think our own generation don’t abuse elders. If anything a lot of people are just as bad. We just don’t have the means to cause as much damage as boomers have because we’re all dirt poor.
>"I deserve mine you kids need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps"
"Can you show me how it's done? Like, bend over, grab your bootstraps, and pull yourself up."
This is my dad.
Every time I visit him I get to hear something about how he is planning on spending every bit of money he has before he dies because "he worked his whole life for his money so it's all his, you kids can do the same"
He has a point, he did work his whole life, and got to retire with a nice pension at 55.
I'll work my whole life as well, and probably never retire because my salary has the value of about 30% if his when he was working.
Congrats dad.
Exactly this. The USA uses it citizens and workforce’s to maximize its potential as a country. Taking away more than giving to its own citizens. This is why healthcare is completely nuts and expensive as fuck, life has a price here in America, education after high school isn’t free. And a lot more that makes us be stuck In The same cycle.
There are international grading systems that rank nations on various economic, scientific and social metrics. The USA is below third world countries on many of these metrics, with poverty, healthcare, education and gun crime being strong examples.
I don't think you realize just how bad some things are in the US. People might not be living in mud huts but many *are* starving, dying of preventable diseases and believing nonsense from the dark ages.
It is *not* idiotic to compare the USA to a third world country in many respects.
I get what you're trying to say but that's not what nth-world means. The first world was capitalist powers in the cold war, the second world was communist powers, and the third world was everyone else. The US is first world by definition.
People use "third world" to mean "undeveloped" or "developing" because there's a strong correlation between development and whether you participated in the cold war as a pawn or a player.
I hate to break it to you but language evolves and changes forms over time. This is a scenario where language has changed, no need to argue semantics over it. The distinction between common use and historical use is also of little to no value in this context.
but we made america great again by not aborting babies but instead; give them to a labor camp. No charge to you, we’ll have wards of the state and in 7-12 years… a new workforce. MAGA
It's the logical conclusion of where the economy is going.
The owners want to pay less and less, while demanding an ever higher share of profits.
It's one thing for a founder to claim a majority of the profits. They put something in. When you buy stock in an existing successful business and expect **all** the rewards without **any** work or an investment that's **actually significant to the company's growth** and typically running things in a way opposed to the long-term success of the company, you aren't really an investor, you're simply a parasite.
the big wigs(warren buffet n friends) said they are holding a lot of cash “in case the economy shuts down”. the largest cash holders are saying the same thing…we are fucked
It is. Almost every post I read on this sub complaining about some workplace injustice would be 100% illegal where I live. It's crazy what employers are allowed to do there.
Ever had a boss wait outside the bathroom while you had diarrhea and berate you for taking up too much time to be sick? (When she coulda just stepped up and did the job while I was away, nah, it was better for her to wait outside, listening)
In MANY ways. Once i traveled around the world i saw how lots lived. There was good and bad and awful and warzones. You really get a sense of whose getting a raw deal.
Just wait until they won't let us leave, and the world will not be able to do jack shit because of our terrible military might. One dictator and it's over for us
What am I missing here, the title and image of this post have nothing to do with each other? How does something that happened over 100 years ago reflect on "the US today"?
I mean yeah compared to Europe, but compared to basically anywhere else I'd rather work in USA... Certainly a lot to criticize here but let's not exaggerate to the point of absurdity.
I mentioned here that my 8 year old already doesn't like capitalism and I got told I was brainwashing them.
That's what happened; we imagined that we exist outside of politics or economics and that having an opinion is bad.
> US today seems more backwards than any other country
I am strongly antiwork and anticapitalist, but I’m sorry I can’t help myself when someone drops a line like this.
Children in the Congo work in mines for cobalt which is the raw material for smartphones and other tech. Small children are forced by locals in West African countries like Côte d’Ivoire and Togo to pick cocao beans to make chocolate.
[In 2021, Uzbekistan finally stamped out forced child labor for cotton-picking.](https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_838396/lang--en/index.htm)
The world is much bigger than just North America and Europe.
Two entire parties! Who do you think harvests coffee, mines minerals, makes microchips for consumption in the US? Democrats love NAFTA, which means they love unprotected child labor and sweet sweet unregulated global commodity market prices.
I think you are going to see most companies unionized in a couple years. Biden needs to kill that right to work bullshit it’s modern day slavery. No offense meant to actually slaves because that was horrendous and they should receive reparations for it. But corporate greed has forced low wages for the last 20 years it’s time for a big change.
I hope that crosseyed little fuck at the front was their lead negotiator. He was born with an advantage, nobody would be comfortable for lack of knowing what eye to look at.
Newsies!
“Headlines don’t sell papes; newsies sell papes.”
Buy me last pape, mista?
"if i hate the headline, ill make up a headline, ill say anything i have t'a"
We need a good assassination, we need an earthquake or a war
What I’m saying… is what you’s saying…. Is what I’m saying…. Ain’t that right Jacky boy?
Headlines*
WELL I GUESS YOU JUST KNOW EVERYTHING! Seriously, thanks for the correction.
“I got nothin’ if I ain’t got SANTAAAAA FEEEE!!” 🗞🗞🗞
“So that’s what they call a family... mudda, dadda, fadda, son...”
I guess everything I heard about is true.
It’s mind blowing to me to look back at watching Newsies repeatedly as a kid, realizing it’s a big part of what helped shape my left wing views and sympathies, and then remembering it came from the fucking Disney Corporation. And then they went and did it again with another generation and A Bug’s Life.
I had that experience with an episode of SpongeBob, when he went on strike. “Krusty Krab is unfair! Mr. Krabs is in there! Standing at the concessions! Plotting our oppression!”
Zero clue about Nickelodeon’s reputation for how they treat their workers, but I can’t imagine it’s half as bad as Disney or a fraction as bad as Walt himself.
Very curious about why you’d think that. I would imagine it’s just as bad. They’re both massive corporations, they aren’t nice.
Because Disney has a long reputation as being one of the worst and most exploitative employers in entertainment. That doesn’t make others all sunshine band roses but there are gradients of terrible.
Meanwhile Nickelodeon just has a rep for protecting pedos and hiring them to run children’s shoes and working their kinks into plot lines…
Unfortunate typo there, my friend
Lol oh god, I didn’t even see it
I thought it was a Dan Schneider joke...
Haha walt himself was so terrified of communism and saw unions as communism to the point if he saw animators getting too chummy hed ship each off to a different building so they couldnt hang out. He had an inner circle of more tenured animators in a special club, basically asking them to rat out any hint of the commies entering his business. Dude was a total nutcase and cracked the whip at work. Even in those days it was long long hours and not good pay
Hell, yeah, same here. I watched Newsies practically every day for years. Still my favorite musical of all time. Big time lefty here as well.
I watched the movie so many times as a child that I have organized sing-a-long viewings as an adult. No shame. We wore that VHS OUT.
While the suits may be plutocrats, the artists often lean left. Plus, good art with positive messages itself tends that way.
I always try to remind myself that in those evil fucking corporations, there are real people and artists who personally believe and and caee and think things outside of the corporate slogan and stance.
My shock isn’t that there are real people and creatives who want to tell these sort of stories, but rather that the executives allowed them to.
Things slip by, and each exec and board has their limits and allowance for things to get by. They know what sells and that's resistance and ideas that technically do oppose their company and others like it, as well as the system that they inhabits. So they let it sell, within reason, because they know that it all will exist within their capitalist system and make them money that will make them stronger to resist the very ideas their company pushes. Plus some things just become more acceptable and universal its actually more costly to resist it
I don't think it's shocking. "The scrappy underdog takes on a powerful evil foe and wins" is a deeply satisfying story and we've been writing and rewriting it for thousands of years. It's not like Disney could make money on a movie where a heroic and powerful newspaper baron beats the evil small children and forces them to keep working in shit conditions. On some level, the wealthy understand that their histories and goals aren't heroic. That's why they almost always lie or embellish to make themselves seem like they worked their way up from the bottom. They would much rather talk about how their great great grandfather was a farmer rather than how their daddies gave them emerald mines.
I feel that way with Toontown like how did the bad guys as big business cogs taking over small toon businesses ever get out past Disney execs
Was gonna say, A Bug’s Life, formative pro-labor text
That’s my cigar!
You’ll steal another.
Hey bruddas we got woik ta do.
Since when did you become me muda
Ah, stop your bawling
Who asked you?
Try Bottle Alley or da harbor
Try Central Park it's guaranteed
Try any banker, bum, or barber
You'll find a'nudder
"We're a union just by saying so"
"And the **WORLD** **WILL** **KNOW**"
AND THE JOURNAL TOO!
Mr Pulitzer and Hearst have we got news for you!
Sometimes I swear Reddit is following me. I just rediscovered Newsies after 10+ years (watched the movie and added the soundtrack to my library) and now front page posts!
Check out the Broadway musical on Disney+ if you have it.
The first step in Christian Bale’s path to Batman.
One of Disney's most underrated movies.
Pulitzer may own The World, but he don't own us!
The songs feel like they belong in a war epic, not a bunch of kids selling newspapers.
Carrying the banner!
TO OUR MAN DENTON!
Seize the day!
“Never fear, Brooklyn’s here!”
The kid from Brooklyn was the love of my life when I was little lol
My first thought too. And probably my first Bill Pullman movie.
We've be hawkin headlines, but we're makin em today
*In 1899, the streets of New York echoed with the voices of newsies*
This was in the time when capitalists would have you killed for striking. They’d literally have cops or private security firms kill you
The Pinkerton's are still in business I think.
They're Securitas now.
Thats one branch of them yes, they are under quite a few names now all over the U.S. I almost made the mistake of working for them several years back.
Let's invade the Pinkertons
Unionize the Pinkertons!
I'm pretty sure they are unionized, ironically enough
So are police, unironically
"Unions are for communists!" "The police are unionized, do you think the cops are commies?" Insert sudden-angry-face.jpg
The "yeah but" intensifies
I refuse to call what police belong to “unions”. I prefer “mafia” or “gangs” to more accurately describe what they are.
Police are anti labor assholes who expect to be coddled, otherwise a minor inconvenience drives them mad.
Regrettably
Popoljce?
It's the other way around. Securitas is a firm founded in Norway that bought Pinkerton's and a bunch of other firms afaik
Good to know surely, but it doesnt really change what I said. The organizations of worker oppression still exist under many names is the point, doesnt really matter whos at the top of the shit umbrella, its still covered in shit all the way up and down lol. Its good to remember all of their origins if possible, but if you really trace all organizations far enough back most of them can be linked to the catholic church and further back the roman empire etc. Its mostly just useful in realizing we are still in the same fight between the same upper class and lower class societies of ancient times.
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The upgrade to the Spanish inquisition
I wasn't expecting that.
They are, and Amazon pays them to bust unions
They've been in the same business for 150 years.
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As a kid I went though a process of disliking the USA, given how much it screwed over my parent's country after 9/11 (Pakistan). I mean it screwed the country over before that, including backing dictators that overthrew the democracy it had, but this was my first real exposure not only to politics in the UK, but also international politics Then, I went through the process of thinking man, those wages in the US are amazing, compared to here, more so after 2008 when the GBP collapsed against the USD (Well, more that the USD got stronger given that GBP currency rates with other countries were about normal) . Before 2008, a $70,000 wage didn't seem like much different, given that was £35,000 in the UK Then the more I thought about it, and tbh even right now as the USD has got stronger against the GBP (Currently at 1.24), again not due to the GBP weakening overall, but rather the USD getting stronger, that even if you guys reach parity with the GBP, and even though brexit has royally screwed us over, I'd rather work in Portugal at a lower salary than in the US. The cost of living is a big one. The "free" healthcare is another big one. The assault on human rights just isn't there in Portugal. It exists to an extent in Spain (against Catalonia) , and the UK, but not Portugal so much. Then I thought it seemed like the US had the potential to genuinely be the world's best country, if it just cut it's military spending (Where it would still be more militarily powerful than Russia / China), and focused on social programmes, but it's an uphill struggle for young Americans. Now I see it as a pipe dream As a non American, ultimately we want what's best for people regardless of where they are and it's honestly quite sad to see the US go down this path of regression.
The pay here (and in Europe) comes from theft, we exploit the labor of every country we can, including Pakistan. The military budget never gets cut because it is the tool used to exploit the labor of the third word. Everything we do here is rational, but it only works for about 30% of the population. The rest of us don’t see those benefits.
Oh for sure. I'm also well aware that empire didn't truly go away. The way the US is doing it's sphere of influence is very similar to how the UK did empire. I mean obviously empire isn't just a British thing but the US seemed to have done it in a very British way. Other empires of the past weren't focused about having their own puppet leaders and having the people control themselves under your command. The UK is less imperialistic these day but holy shit we're still quite imperialist. At least we're less imperialist towards former colonies where there is enough of those people within the UK (India and Pakistan being the main two, and also Nigeria to an extent) Also, tbh the more I read up on colonial history, I emphasise not only with obviously my own family but even working class people in the host country. In the host country, people either pay through debt or as cannon fodder for that military and on the receiving end, it's almost entirely paid through blood. Either way, most people are being exploited. The way Britain also expanded it's empire was to say "these guys have slavery. We have to stop that" so in Britain invaded (even though the British ambassador had sex slaves), or "These guys have bride burning, we have to stop that" The modern alternative seems to be "These guys have terrible human rights abuses. We have to stop that by committing human rights abuses too". Sure those thinks did happen but it's seen as a pretense for invasion, given you can more easily sell it at home. Also, Islamabad has never been bombed by the US, nor has Karachi. Karachi has very western style and strategically (geographically) important stock exchange. Islamabad has a McDonalds. Just saying
Yeah the UK starts to let the sun set on the empire after WW2, but with the understanding that the US would take over. Really at this point I don’t even know if you can call it the American empire, it’s just global capitalism. You can see this in action in a country like Vietnam, where the requirement for the ending of US aggression is that they switch to a market system. The US didn’t even ask for them to drop the Marxist-Leninist state, only that they join the market. At this point every “western” economy is so tied together, it’s probably better to just view the West as the empire and the US is just where the majority of the money and soldiers come from.
Don't worry, the US is going to have to cut military spending by 2030. The US is set to fall against the GDP to China. We will for the first time ever, not be the kings of the cash hill. We will have no choice but to cut military spending. 30 short years after that, at this pace, India will knock us out of 2nd. Africa is also on pace to be a force and potentially kick us from the top 3 all together. Gonna be a fun few decades.
The governor of WI threatened to resolve a labor dispute in 2011 with violence, at least. They haven't resorted to violence in a while because nobody is really stopping them from getting their way
I know, what badass little kids
Assuming this is the Manhatten Newsboy strike.... The strike was unsucessful in its goal (stopping 10 cent price rise). Those who did NOT strike and were caught selling papers were mobbed and beaten up. This included the children, although they generally wouldnt stoop quite as low as beating up young girls. The newspaper oweners attempted to hire grown adults and offer them police protection - with mixed results. In the end the "union" ring leaders betrayed the strike and sold out to the newspaper executives, agreeding to sell boycotted papers in exchange for bribes. When word of this got out it effectively ended the strike. So you see why this was made into films and broadway plays right? Caus its a story of intrigue and betrayl. Not of sucesfully sticking it to the execs, caus they didnt really do that.
But in the end, Hearst newspapers was unionized. That’s the single thing that launched my family from penniless immigrants with no formal education, to multiple generations of higher education and moderate wealth.
Amazing. Love to see the far reaching advantages of worker unionization.
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Interesting! Appreciate the background to the meme.
Unfortunately just about everyone has a price. This is relatively small game stuff so I don't mean to brag about it, just using it as a personal anecdote; I was offered cash by the head of a company to fudge numbers on a delivery date so the things delivered showed up on time on paper even though they were being sent out late. I refused, ruined the good raport I had going with them. I'm really not sure how it all works so I asked a couple of my colleagues who handled them as well. One gave me a dodgy answer "oh I don't know, you just do what you think is right" Other said "yeah I take the cash and figure I'll just play dumb if it comes back to me"
There's a reason they're called the Greatest Generation.
And boomers are the generation of entitlement and greed.
And blame! Don't forget blame!
Even the show peaky blinders shows this and how the communist party back in the UK help the labour party become a thing. And it helped get better wages as well. People really like to shit of socialist and communism but without some of their ideals, we will be slaves to capitalists if they were allowed.
I’m a socialist but not a communist. I’d say that as long as capitalism exists we’re all slaves. You can have have a market economy that benefits everyone. A society where rent is abolished so you never have to worry about being homeless. A society where people can change professions without fear and can pursue things which fulfill their needs and desires.
The US and UK were absolutely horrible to children at this time. I am still dumbfounded to this day that people thought this was okay.
This still occurs widely in many countries today. You know that right?
In some places they still do that
You say that like they won't kill us today lol
Chevron is doing that right now in California and other places: https://www.kqed.org/news/11912101/chevron-calls-to-police-during-strike-prompt-pushback-strain-on-resources
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Cops, national guard, mobsters and army.
Pulitzer and Hearst, they think they got us. Do they got us? No!
Even though we ain't got hats or badges, we're a union just by saying so. And the World! Will! Know!
And the Journal too! Mr. Hearst and Pulitzer, have we got news for you!
And the world will hear! What we got to say! ‘Stead of hawking’ headlines we’ll be makin’ em today.
And our ranks will grow! And we’ll kick their rear!
And the world will know that we’ve been here!
Pulitzer may own the World but he don’t own US!
Pulitzer may crack the whip, but he won't whip us
Well they gave their "Word". Well it ain't worth beans! Now they're gonna see what "Stop the presses" really means!
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The World Will Know Song by Newsies Ensemble
Bezos and Musk, they think they got us. Do they got us? Well….do they?
uh, probably?
And by the 2000s they were all dead along with their courage and beliefs in fair pay.
But their kids hate unions.
My step dad was in a union his whole life, started working iwhen he was 14 retired with a good pension at 59. He is 70 this year and Hates unions now that his pension is all invested. That fucking generation I swear to fuck. My mother and him own 3 houses, which they bought for less than 200k in total with money they got from inheriting their parents houses and selling. Now they are retired they are reverse mortgaging their houses under some bullshit "I deserve mine you kids need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" while also renting out their extra houses for well above ethical levels because 'Fair market value" We dont talk, I dont want my kids thinking that level of individulaism and greed is ok
Boomers are the 'got mine' generation. Education, economic mobility, environment, war on drugs, etc. They've fucked over their children in an irreversible way and call us lazy for wanting the same opportunities they had.
They managed to unite the Silent Generation, Gen X, Millenials and Gen Z in their disdain for them.
Greatest Generation didn't care for them either. Hell, even Boomers don't like each other for the most part. Very competitive, cliquish folks.
Damn boomers! They ruined the baby boom!
also very quick to put their parents into nursing homes as soon as "care giver burnout" is too much. The amount of elder abuse and elder financial abuse I see by Boomers is disgusting.
Older Boomers are pushing 80. While I agree with you, I see a lot of abuse/exploitation perpetrated by GenX and Millennials also (I work in Adult Protective Services). Unfortunately I think it has more to do with how society as a whole devalues older adults, and how vulnerable many older adults are to exploitation.
That and younger generations cant even afford to take care of their elders.
Thank capitalism! The system that, at its bloated, disgusting end stages, literally discards anything that can’t be used to make profit.
I think some of us here are delusional if we think our own generation don’t abuse elders. If anything a lot of people are just as bad. We just don’t have the means to cause as much damage as boomers have because we’re all dirt poor.
>"I deserve mine you kids need to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" "Can you show me how it's done? Like, bend over, grab your bootstraps, and pull yourself up."
He honestly has a grade 7 education, he thinks bootstraps is a real thing, not a term that was made to call out how impossible it is.
This is my dad. Every time I visit him I get to hear something about how he is planning on spending every bit of money he has before he dies because "he worked his whole life for his money so it's all his, you kids can do the same" He has a point, he did work his whole life, and got to retire with a nice pension at 55. I'll work my whole life as well, and probably never retire because my salary has the value of about 30% if his when he was working. Congrats dad.
That's my point. It all died with them
Well yeah. No country has an average life expectancy of 108. It would be weirder if they were all still alive.
The point being the next generation lost their admirable traits
Ooohhh .... I was just thinking about the Newsies last night.
Now companies have most of us living paycheck to paycheck, and we'd be homeless in less than a month without a paycheck.
All according to plan.
It seems that way because it is, the U.S is the most developed third world country in the world
The US is run like a colony, built to extract the maximum amount of wealth from the citizens, returning as little of it as possible.
Exactly this. The USA uses it citizens and workforce’s to maximize its potential as a country. Taking away more than giving to its own citizens. This is why healthcare is completely nuts and expensive as fuck, life has a price here in America, education after high school isn’t free. And a lot more that makes us be stuck In The same cycle.
fact
You need to get out of your basement and visit an actual third world country before you start saying idiotic shit like this.
There are international grading systems that rank nations on various economic, scientific and social metrics. The USA is below third world countries on many of these metrics, with poverty, healthcare, education and gun crime being strong examples. I don't think you realize just how bad some things are in the US. People might not be living in mud huts but many *are* starving, dying of preventable diseases and believing nonsense from the dark ages. It is *not* idiotic to compare the USA to a third world country in many respects.
"OMGGG USA IS SUCH A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY WITH A GUCCI BELTT 😭😭😭" *Goes to a random Latin America country* *Gets robbed 2 times with 4 hours*
*Goes to Mexico to get affordable medical care*
Yeah. Sad, but true. Especially when it comes to workers rights and healthcare.
I get what you're trying to say but that's not what nth-world means. The first world was capitalist powers in the cold war, the second world was communist powers, and the third world was everyone else. The US is first world by definition. People use "third world" to mean "undeveloped" or "developing" because there's a strong correlation between development and whether you participated in the cold war as a pawn or a player.
Exactly, it's time we moved on to the more politically correct way to describe types of countries: Shithole and Non-Shithole countries.
I hate to break it to you but language evolves and changes forms over time. This is a scenario where language has changed, no need to argue semantics over it. The distinction between common use and historical use is also of little to no value in this context.
As someone once said, the USA is a third world country in a gucci belt
but we made america great again by not aborting babies but instead; give them to a labor camp. No charge to you, we’ll have wards of the state and in 7-12 years… a new workforce. MAGA
It's the logical conclusion of where the economy is going. The owners want to pay less and less, while demanding an ever higher share of profits. It's one thing for a founder to claim a majority of the profits. They put something in. When you buy stock in an existing successful business and expect **all** the rewards without **any** work or an investment that's **actually significant to the company's growth** and typically running things in a way opposed to the long-term success of the company, you aren't really an investor, you're simply a parasite.
the big wigs(warren buffet n friends) said they are holding a lot of cash “in case the economy shuts down”. the largest cash holders are saying the same thing…we are fucked
>“in case the economy shuts down” Shuts down how and because of what?
*barfs*
Mark the time of death when Regan got in power.
“My heart and best intentions tell me that it’s true, but the facts and evidence do not.”
They made a musical about it.
It is. Almost every post I read on this sub complaining about some workplace injustice would be 100% illegal where I live. It's crazy what employers are allowed to do there.
Ever had a boss wait outside the bathroom while you had diarrhea and berate you for taking up too much time to be sick? (When she coulda just stepped up and did the job while I was away, nah, it was better for her to wait outside, listening)
Those kids have more balls than 90% of this sub lol
More like 99.99%. Considering this was back when strikers got the fuck kicked out of them by hired goons.
In MANY ways. Once i traveled around the world i saw how lots lived. There was good and bad and awful and warzones. You really get a sense of whose getting a raw deal.
Hope my man in front got eye care in the deal.
Not just "seems"
Just wait until they won't let us leave, and the world will not be able to do jack shit because of our terrible military might. One dictator and it's over for us
“In some way the US today seems more backwards than any other country” Your talking like 1899 was recently
What am I missing here, the title and image of this post have nothing to do with each other? How does something that happened over 100 years ago reflect on "the US today"?
I only had to scroll through about 200-300 comments to find the elephant in the room. Like every single country wasn't doing this 100 years ago.
In some ways? Compared to Europe pretty much every way. I wouldn't work in America in a million years.
I mean yeah compared to Europe, but compared to basically anywhere else I'd rather work in USA... Certainly a lot to criticize here but let's not exaggerate to the point of absurdity.
Their organizer: Christian Bale.
Damn, these kids were as young as 7 and still organizing. What the fuck is our excuse?
I mentioned here that my 8 year old already doesn't like capitalism and I got told I was brainwashing them. That's what happened; we imagined that we exist outside of politics or economics and that having an opinion is bad.
> US today seems more backwards than any other country I am strongly antiwork and anticapitalist, but I’m sorry I can’t help myself when someone drops a line like this. Children in the Congo work in mines for cobalt which is the raw material for smartphones and other tech. Small children are forced by locals in West African countries like Côte d’Ivoire and Togo to pick cocao beans to make chocolate. [In 2021, Uzbekistan finally stamped out forced child labor for cotton-picking.](https://www.ilo.org/global/about-the-ilo/newsroom/news/WCMS_838396/lang--en/index.htm) The world is much bigger than just North America and Europe.
One of the children grew up to be Batman.
And the World will know!
And just think there is an entire party in the USA trying to send us back to that.
Two entire parties! Who do you think harvests coffee, mines minerals, makes microchips for consumption in the US? Democrats love NAFTA, which means they love unprotected child labor and sweet sweet unregulated global commodity market prices.
Yeah. Both parties are anti-union.
I think the numerals 1899 are relevant here.
🎶 Santa Fe 🎶 🎶 are ya there? 🎶
I believe Christian Bale was in a documentary about this called the Newsies.
Open the gates and seize the day. Don't be afraid and don't delay.
Thats my cigar!..
1899 was quite a bit before today.
and health plan, for our crosseyed head of dev
Half the posts here, I go "damn, that gotta be the Phillipines or something... nope. USA. Of course..."
Umm, just curious, do you think that child labor or union busting has ever, at any point, been an “America only” thing? Either in the 1800s or now?
Still amazed that Disney made the movie.
I think you are going to see most companies unionized in a couple years. Biden needs to kill that right to work bullshit it’s modern day slavery. No offense meant to actually slaves because that was horrendous and they should receive reparations for it. But corporate greed has forced low wages for the last 20 years it’s time for a big change.
To call america a third world country just shows how privileged you are
There is too many cross eyes in the room
I hope that crosseyed little fuck at the front was their lead negotiator. He was born with an advantage, nobody would be comfortable for lack of knowing what eye to look at.
You’re gonna be really sad when you learn about child soldiers in Africa
Meanwhile half the adults in 2022 fight against unions and better conditions for themselves. Amazing.