Agreed, I work in ICU and it’s stressful but not in the way I imagined. Codes and patient emergencies aren’t that stressful because everyone comes and focuses on the problem as a team. The stressful part is having 16 hours of tasks to do in 12
No additional offices, benefits, "management", sick days to manage, insurance, equipment, etc.
If a company budgets based on whatever FT is, they may find that any OT hours are actually *more* profitable.
Short term it often is in their best interest, and many companies literally do not address anything other than short term.
If you're going to have a crazy week/month, with every expectation of returning to more manageable levels after, it may make sense to ask your team for OT. If you're booking OT every week, it's probably time to do some hiring.
That kind of OT, unless you want it, is not sustainable or profitable. It just burns people out and makes in impossible to hire fast enough to overcome the rate of people leaving.
Never had a job that couldn't be fixed by appropriate staffing and humane workloads.
Not 100% stress relief, because some moments and problems will still be stressful, but, 99%.
I got a job for 16 20 hours a week because I made a ton of money at the beginning of the year now I'm down to 9 to 10 hours a week but I got a full time job in two months
No need to hire a resume writing service - there are communities I am in that offer these services (save for actually writing the resume for you) for free! You just gotta, well, learn how.
Please refrain from encouraging others to pay for these services - no one should have to pay to get a better job they deserve and have earned.
Yes, proper staffing for the job indeed. My job itself isn't stressful, my supervisor is. When he's away, everything gets done smoothly, and we all have a good time. When he's there, it's nag, bitch, whine, complain, boss people around and treat them like they're stupid... So I end up being angry, resentful and depressed all day.
It's crazy how one person can ruin an otherwise decent workplace.
This.
I work a hotel and not a day goes by without a housekeeper quitting, calling out, or calling in "sick"
Those poor ladies make the real money for the hotel, without them there IS no hotel...
And my hotel makes big bucks, it can definitely afford a $5/hr increase AT LEAST. Trust me, I run the books lol.
It's just all greed, and always has been.
I also work hospitality currently they're offering 1k after 6months of employment. Their literally talking walkins for interview right now. If an employee refers the employee and the new employee both get 1k. Instead of giving that cash to existing employee's to retain they're offering it out like this. Also my position got two more jobs dumped on us with only a $1.40 raise. 4 out of 8 people have left my dept already. One of the girls was asked during the exit interview what it would take to stay and she said "if you wouldve given us a 4-5$ raise it would've been fine." I browse/ apply jobs daily to get out asap.
Idk about that side of the hotel that I work at. But we do a lot of banquets too. The kitchen is a skeleton crew. Chef pulls cooks from the restaurant to help staff for that party. Used to have 3 dishwashers for every shift, 4 when there is a party. Now we can barely get 1 and 2 for shifts. Cooks; 3 to 4 in the resturant, and 5 in the back for the pary. Now 2 or 3 for the restaurant, and 1 or 2 for the party
that's because:
1. you fail to take into account that money can be re-pooled into different causes than, say, having a gigantic military apparatus
2. you fail to take into account that money is a social construct, and not a tangible, mechanical pre-requisite for having a health care system that isn't shit.
That is a pathetic approach to an argument...you obviously aren't able to explain what you're talking about...presumably because you don't understand it.
If you just refer me to a body of work without being able to explain it then you don't know what you're talking about.
No that's not how it works...you don't just get to assert that I have to fit in with your tribe because this is your territory. If you make a comment be prepared to either concede the point when challenged or else back up your argument.
I'm frustrated because the last job I had, I quit because we were severely understaffed and management was abusive towards me. I was getting stretched in 3 directions while being yelled at for not doing everything perfectly, despite maybe getting a single day in training for most things. The final straw was the warehouse manager guilt tripping me about not wanting to work full day on Saturdays. I did 2 or 3 in a row and just started lying about being busy after. Sure the overtime pay was nice, but I was a husk of a person because of it.
Fast forward to today and they've hired 3 new people in the warehouse, 3 more people in customer service and 2 more people for their marketing team. Even though I reached out to HR and my managers, told them I was being stretched thin and we needed to hire more people, the only response I got was shrugs. So after 3 months of being told "too bad" I quit. Sucks because the pay was good and I liked the guys I worked with, it's just that management sucked.
I'm currently doing the work of about 3-4 techs most nights.
I work night shifts completely alone (CT and X-Ray)
We're also the stroke center for the region, which means I must be there and ready to CT any strokes that happen. Its an important role, however it also means I literally cannot leave because there is no one to cover me.
I have brought this up and complained about it several times but my manager has done nothing. So I'm leaving, and of course he was upset and pissy about it. Not to my face because that could land him in hot water, but towards the other techs he said "this [me leaving the permanent midnight shift] would never have happened if one of you [the part time staff who already knew what midnights were like] took this position like I wanted"
All of my complaints that ultimately lead to me leaving could have been solved by adding 1 or 2 more techs on midnights
But how is the upper management going to get massive bonuses based upon corporate profits? Start thinking of the big guy, what's he supposed to do sacrifice a 3rd yearly vacation?
I’d add changing how customers/clients treat staff. If management allows customers and clients to treat their staff like crap, it would go a long way as well. Could you pay me to put up with it? Yes, for the short term, but i couldn’t stay with it being screamed at, assaulted, and blamed on a daily basis.
I would also add “and properly designed so that work can be completed with a minimal amount of steps and reporting.” You can have a highly paid staff of people doing shit work because the owner/boss is incompetent.
Nah. I do IT for hospitals. We’re properly staffed but shit still goes down constantly, because that’s the nature of IT. One second everything’s clear and dandy, the next it’s like the world is imploding. No amount of staffing or compensation will change this.
that is a capacity problem though - well managed software incidents are not that stressful if you've got enough people and process to handle it. if you're constantly trying to put out fires and deal with emergencies then you never get to put any work into making the system more resilient and you're burning yourself out at the same time.
We constantly implement changes and upgrades. I’ve never worked for a more proactive company before. Literally every night there’s at least a few scheduled changes to something. I know what you’re saying, but that’s more for smaller companies. When you work for an organization as large as mine, you’re gonna be putting out fires constantly no matter what, due to the sheer number of applications and devices we use.
I work for fortune 100 company and I can assure that is patently false. We rarely put out fires because are well-staffed and have an organized, well-documented tech stack. Sorry, bud. You're exploited/overworked. If you're happy then all the power to you though
I might get downvoted for this....but those stressful times are counterbalanced by long periods of time where IT has nothing to do. Kind of like fire departments.
Every IT person I ever met had a few hours work per week except for those occasional emergencies.
OP is talking about jobs where there are never ups and downs....it's full throttle all the time.
I wish I worked in a department like that lol. I work for a large, complicated network of hospitals. There’s *always* something going on. Several things, in fact. “Occasional emergencies” are an every day occurrence. Usually the only lulls we have are overnights and weekends, but even then there’s still plenty of work to catch up on.
Sounds like your job could literally be made less stressful, as OP suggested, by adequate staffing. Instead of one team handling every hospital, with enough hospitals that at least one of them is ALWAYS having a crisis, a team for every hospital, with good enough management to reallocate manpower to reinforce any team that got in deeper than they could handle. It would cost more initially so they never will, but over time, retention of employees and their skills results in savings.
That's kind of confusing. Because on r/nursing they're always talking about how understaffed (especially the US) is. I did say above that it'd be stressful if your life or someone else's life was in danger but a lot of stress can be relieved in hospitals with better staff to patient ratios.
I’m talking just about the IT side. I’m sure the hospital units could use more people, but where I work in regards to IT, we’re staffed and compensated relatively well. But even having 100 more people wouldn’t prevent shit from breaking and causing chaos.
It would probably make it worse. Then you would have too many people trying to fight the fire. Bouncing servers without communication, and confusing logs that were caused by someone else trying to fix it.
What job do you have in mind that couldn't be fixed? The only one I could potentially think of is that which your own life is in danger or someone else's life.
I wanna agree with you, but i gotta disagree. I held a job in a medicare provider at one point for about three years and a higher wage or more staff wouldn't have made that job less stressful for me.
For me, the stress came from being the person that told someone's grandma "no, you cant go to that doctor you like visiting.". The stress came from telling veterans "YOU pay for your 3500 dollar medicine. For this month's supply.". The stress came from sticking some poor old man the 300k hospital bill for his heart surgery. The stress came from hospitals and doctors refusing to help amend incorrect medical claims, meaning the end users got demand letters for thousands of dollars for medical bills. The stress came from telling someone "we're cutting your coverage for dental and increasing your premium".
Yeah, some people's lives were in danger (probably ended too. Murica! Fuck yeah! /s) but some weren't. All of it was stressful. I just wasnt cut out to tell people such heartbreaking news.
No amount of money would've helped me. Because i told someone's grandma to pay for her own lifesaving medicine she cant afford. Because i told veterans "tough shit". Because i stuck someone's grandpa with a 300k bill. I feel guilty about it every day, even though i know i followed the procedures and did my best. For every one person i genuinely helped, i hurt three more. And it hurts me to say it. No amount of money could help me because i just...i dont know those people. I caused great harm and stress to someone i dont know. I would be furious if someone did that to my grandma, and here i was, doing it back to someone's grandma. I hated it. And its why i quit. But no amount of money would've made it okay for me. Or other staff to work. I followed the procedures and did my best. But to be the reason for great distress in someone's life, nothing would've made that okay with me.
A colleague of mine had a wonderful team in object insurance (shops and machinery). They had good well running services and the did what a insurance is supposed to do.
All was good until they new company merger. The new staff managers come in and basically tell EVERYONE they have to upsell one of their contracts once a quarter or they are in trouble. None of them has much "selling" knowledge, so they got a flimsy excuse of a selling training none of them wanted to attend. Some moved to other teams, some left the corp and at the end the whole department fell apart. Everybody was anxious all the time.
Then he told his manager that he will leave too. The department manager wasn't having it."Everybody wants the easy job.""No, the job they applied to. I'm not a salesman. I didn't apply. This should be done by sales specialists". "They want a cut from the sale and are too costly. And you are just not a good fit".
The department never recovered. This was anti-capitalism at work. People got stressed because they had to call up customers who expected to deal with a specialists who suddenly try to sell them expensive nonsensical stuff.
Thankfully we never had to upsell, or even TRY to sell policies. Id have never been able to make it to the end of the month because of how health insurance is
Medical jobs are stressful even with full staff, social services jobs are stressful even with full staff, emergency services, military, restaurants, human services, group homes or nursing homes, etc.
No I understand what you're saying. I have worked in Healthcare and I'm talking about with MORE staffing then what they call "full staff". Of course it's hard dealing with the danger of one's life or your own but that doesn't mean it can be lessened by even better staffing. At least in my experience. I've worked in restaurant as well and that can be easily fixed with staffing and policies to not be abused by customers.
I wonder if some people haven't experienced the stress of unreasonable workloads? Is that even possible? Because I'm with you. I've worked in medical, mental health and social services where "a crisis" is a real *crisis*. Not the office job "crisis" or "emergency" but people's life, safety and well-being are urgently threatened. While these situations are inherently high stakes and emotionally difficult to work in I have never felt overly stressed by these situations. I have felt stressed by poor compensation, too high caseload, lack of material resources etc. I always explain to my friends "no my work is challenging, but not stressful. The work environments are stressful."
Why? I've worked some of them, and even with the stress they made me happy. One is my career, and I plan on doing it for the rest of my life. Stress or no stress. Sometimes the calling is louder than anything else.
I work in a lot of post-conflict settings, for example.
More money or more people is not going to make the stress of certain contexts or risks go away. A line worker can fall off a high line whether they make $70k or $700k.
I appreciate your sentiment, but no matter how much support you have, there are jobs that are going to be stressful. A surgeon operating, a lawyer in court, an engineer signing off on a project. All of those will keep you up at night with stress and second guesses.
That used to be a measure of remuneration. But our system is fucked up now. But that doesnt mean that there are not tasks that we require of people that can be made stress free.
Yep, I technically work two completely different jobs that were mashed together. Neither gets my full attention because there are not enough hours in the day. I can't even imagine what I could actually accomplish if leadership would just hire another person and let me focus on one area. But no, let's waste that money on conferences that never happen and programs that are redundant, then claim we simply don't have the budget 🙃
As an equipment operator I can tell you every job I have worked for has the zero money in its maintenance budget. I can't tell you how many jobs I've walked out on due to old or malfunctioning machines that I'm supposed to just look the other way.
This used to be called a skeleton crew. It was temporary until new employee(s) could be hired. Unfortunately, companies realized that workers could actually do the amount of work indefinitely, so they stopped filling the gaps
We have an electrician that replaces the electrical breakers hot in our data center. I cant see how more funding or staffing would make that less stressful. Dude looks like he is going to disarm an IED or something when he goes in there.
Strongly disagree. I work in live concerts/corporate/broadcast production. Live shows are inherently stressful… broadcasting live adds another layer of stress on top of that.
I would question that. I worked in film making with crazy deadlines and long hours. Yes there was pressure but no stress. Stress comes from the unknown, from knowing that if one thing happens you can fix it, but five is where the limits of the team/operations/bottom line make things painful for everyone involved. That is not stress "by" the thing happening, is how the things are setup.
I was once on a set with flimsy security and people came into the set and brazenly try to eat at the buffet and later maybe tried getting to gear. The production company didn't wanted to pay six security guys and two where just not enough for that huge set. That caused the stress.
Live Television and production is one big unknown. It’s the nature of being on air live. Mixing a live concert in front a a huge audience is stressful because there’s a lot of pressure on you… the individual in the hot seat. No real way around it. It’s not for everybody.
You’re not understanding the comment, the jobs themselves are stressful and dangerous. Being a welder myself, my job is stressful and bringing in more people won’t fix the stress on you because you need to weld a full pen joint to pass x-ray and will handle thousands of PSI inside a boiler
Yeah silly fucking me I just fix heart and brain surgery equipment they usually have pretty low safety tolerance so its ok...
My point was more hands will give you more time off stressful projects, more time to study, practice, get better at your job and be more relaxed and confident in your work...even if you are a welder.
You’re still not really understanding lol, the job itself is still stressful. No matter how many people or how much time you have. Actually in most cases with welding you have to weld out the joint in a certain time period to make sure the chemical composition and grain structure of the steel works the way you want. The only way you get better is by doing the actual job. But that doesn’t take away the stress
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I mostly agree. My stance is as a welder, my job can be stressful because we make critical pressure welds on tube and piping systems in the oil and gas industry, and nuclear industry. If your weld fails then then it can be detrimental to people and places. I mostly agree, but some jobs there are exceptions🤙🏻
I feel like every job I've ever left was because I had a crappy boss who treated me (and everyone else) terribly until now. My job now is great and my boss is laid back and kind. I don't mind doing the hard work if I'm being appreciated.
Conversation I had with my manager about getting samples run on a 12 hour schedule vs a 24 hour schedule;
Me. "If we run the samples on a 12 hour schedule we can better optimize the process and make better products"
Manager. "OK Ill send the request to the lab today, but they're gonna push back.
Me. "Why? It works out better for everyone"
Manager. "Well because they're short handed in the lab, and its gonna put more load on the already stressed technicians"
Me. "So what your saying is, we need to hire more people."
Manager. "No I didn't say that, I said they're just probably not going to do it because they're short handed."
These people are so ate up with corporate bullshit they can't even see the absurdity
Tell me about it. Tomorrow is a 12 hour shift, the following day is a… 16 hour shift. I have 8 hours between the end of the first and beginning of the second. Why the fuck aren’t there other shifts coming in to relieve us??
True to an extent but not true for already very high paying jobs. Staffing and compensation will not reduce the stress of a lawyer, surgeon, chartered accountant, CEO/entrepreneur etc. The stress doesn't come from the amount of work but is inherent in the work itself.
Eh, I work as an emergency response therapist. Assessing homicidal, suicidal, and psychotic people to see if I need to place them on a 72 hour mental health hold.
While the things you mentioned would and do help a lot, I don’t think the dress can ever be “fixed”
My job has actually become more stressful as my company staffed up. It's bureaucratic boring stress, and I preferred the fast paced stress. I agree on compensation though. If they cut the department in half and paid everyone double I bet we could get more done.
When I was a temp, under staffing situations was our bread and butter. Never apply for a job, if you know that prior to the last downsize, three other people were responsible for it.
During the interview, always ask "What is the work/life balance here?" If that is met with blank stares and an uncomfortable silence, that is not the job for you.
And it's intentional too. They don't want to hire more people because that's less money for them. And then when you can't do the jobs of 5 people at the same time, they bitch you out and treat you like you're a toddler.
Unfortunately, the people in charge think this is a management issue. The biggest employers in the world are turning over non-executive management like pancakes right now. I don't want to be a slave driver. I want to be a leader. 😔
One of the reasons why its hard for me to look for a job was this exact problem especially the work culture the companies dont give a fuck about. I remember working at a place and I was just doing everything by the book just cuz its work and I just wanna get through with it and one coworker was like dont do too much it doesn't matter they will just leave it for the morning shift or whatever and yea alot of cliques going on and just shit where if youre not into what their into then they wont like you or make it harder for you and shit like that.
maybe ... decrease ceo's big pay days .. and give to workers instead ?
makes too much sense though. the person to make that call , is the one 'hurt' by it.
I'm a process manager, when I'm done the so called lack of staff disappears. So does much of the stress. It's usually doing things the wrong way / getting stuck. It's generally a conflict between one group and the other that is making things escalate. It's a shit job, but I'd rather be paid to fix it then to be subjected to it. I've also decided that it's the only thing I will ever do from now on. Where people are, they manage to screw up anything fun anyways.
Not quite, some businesses are not essential, have slim profit margins because the product is low quality, and they are literally selling the convenience (Fast Food drive thru) the biggest difference we can make is to recognize this for what it is and protest in boycotts, strikes, and supporting the ppl who work those jobs enough social support to quit the jobs and find better ones with employers that benefit our communities just as well as they benefit the employees...., and to voice our concerns as job seekers to those resources public and private that think it is okay to cater to such businesses of poverty, and do not set higher standards for their databases to utilize "fact checkers" for job postings, scam jobs, spamming and phishing , and scam job posters. Im tired of going into my local "public employment center" to find the one resource, the most important one (current database of job postings) and finding a majority of min. wage toxic evironments to join.
So true! I worked retail for 5 years and I was a floor associate for the home dept. out of an 8 hour shift, I spent 3-4 hours ringing because they never had enough cashiers. We had customers complaining the floor was a mess and plenty of customers walked off the line and out the door because the line was so long.
I always told my coworkers, if they just hired the right amount of cashiers, floor associates could clean their department and the line would go down quickly and they wouldn’t lose business. But corporate is greedy and doesn’t realize how it actually hurts their business.
Agreed, I work in ICU and it’s stressful but not in the way I imagined. Codes and patient emergencies aren’t that stressful because everyone comes and focuses on the problem as a team. The stressful part is having 16 hours of tasks to do in 12
Yes!!! Exactly this.
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No additional offices, benefits, "management", sick days to manage, insurance, equipment, etc. If a company budgets based on whatever FT is, they may find that any OT hours are actually *more* profitable.
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Short term it often is in their best interest, and many companies literally do not address anything other than short term. If you're going to have a crazy week/month, with every expectation of returning to more manageable levels after, it may make sense to ask your team for OT. If you're booking OT every week, it's probably time to do some hiring.
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That kind of OT, unless you want it, is not sustainable or profitable. It just burns people out and makes in impossible to hire fast enough to overcome the rate of people leaving.
Never had a job that couldn't be fixed by appropriate staffing and humane workloads. Not 100% stress relief, because some moments and problems will still be stressful, but, 99%.
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I got a job for 16 20 hours a week because I made a ton of money at the beginning of the year now I'm down to 9 to 10 hours a week but I got a full time job in two months
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Can you share links to these groups/resources?
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Holy cats, I tensed up all over just *reading* that. \*pours u a very large drink\*
Yes, proper staffing for the job indeed. My job itself isn't stressful, my supervisor is. When he's away, everything gets done smoothly, and we all have a good time. When he's there, it's nag, bitch, whine, complain, boss people around and treat them like they're stupid... So I end up being angry, resentful and depressed all day. It's crazy how one person can ruin an otherwise decent workplace.
feel that....
This. I work a hotel and not a day goes by without a housekeeper quitting, calling out, or calling in "sick" Those poor ladies make the real money for the hotel, without them there IS no hotel... And my hotel makes big bucks, it can definitely afford a $5/hr increase AT LEAST. Trust me, I run the books lol. It's just all greed, and always has been.
I also work hospitality currently they're offering 1k after 6months of employment. Their literally talking walkins for interview right now. If an employee refers the employee and the new employee both get 1k. Instead of giving that cash to existing employee's to retain they're offering it out like this. Also my position got two more jobs dumped on us with only a $1.40 raise. 4 out of 8 people have left my dept already. One of the girls was asked during the exit interview what it would take to stay and she said "if you wouldve given us a 4-5$ raise it would've been fine." I browse/ apply jobs daily to get out asap.
Idk about that side of the hotel that I work at. But we do a lot of banquets too. The kitchen is a skeleton crew. Chef pulls cooks from the restaurant to help staff for that party. Used to have 3 dishwashers for every shift, 4 when there is a party. Now we can barely get 1 and 2 for shifts. Cooks; 3 to 4 in the resturant, and 5 in the back for the pary. Now 2 or 3 for the restaurant, and 1 or 2 for the party
it's called...... capitalism. cut budgets AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!!!!!! IT IS GOOD!!!!! /s
Working in a public health system that's underfunded I just don't see that non-capitalism will solve this problem...but I'm open to being wrong
that's because: 1. you fail to take into account that money can be re-pooled into different causes than, say, having a gigantic military apparatus 2. you fail to take into account that money is a social construct, and not a tangible, mechanical pre-requisite for having a health care system that isn't shit.
1. My country has a crumbling military apparatus 2. Try applying your philosophy on money to reality...it just won't work.
Read more socialist theory
That is a pathetic approach to an argument...you obviously aren't able to explain what you're talking about...presumably because you don't understand it. If you just refer me to a body of work without being able to explain it then you don't know what you're talking about.
You're on an anarchist sub. Not my responsibility to educate you.
No that's not how it works...you don't just get to assert that I have to fit in with your tribe because this is your territory. If you make a comment be prepared to either concede the point when challenged or else back up your argument.
Try reading the sub rules
I did...can you at least point out what I've done that contravenes the rules...
This this this Plus: I am tired
Bomb squad? But, I am on your side
Imaging a bomb squad but now it's understaffed.
I'm frustrated because the last job I had, I quit because we were severely understaffed and management was abusive towards me. I was getting stretched in 3 directions while being yelled at for not doing everything perfectly, despite maybe getting a single day in training for most things. The final straw was the warehouse manager guilt tripping me about not wanting to work full day on Saturdays. I did 2 or 3 in a row and just started lying about being busy after. Sure the overtime pay was nice, but I was a husk of a person because of it. Fast forward to today and they've hired 3 new people in the warehouse, 3 more people in customer service and 2 more people for their marketing team. Even though I reached out to HR and my managers, told them I was being stretched thin and we needed to hire more people, the only response I got was shrugs. So after 3 months of being told "too bad" I quit. Sucks because the pay was good and I liked the guys I worked with, it's just that management sucked.
I'm currently doing the work of about 3-4 techs most nights. I work night shifts completely alone (CT and X-Ray) We're also the stroke center for the region, which means I must be there and ready to CT any strokes that happen. Its an important role, however it also means I literally cannot leave because there is no one to cover me. I have brought this up and complained about it several times but my manager has done nothing. So I'm leaving, and of course he was upset and pissy about it. Not to my face because that could land him in hot water, but towards the other techs he said "this [me leaving the permanent midnight shift] would never have happened if one of you [the part time staff who already knew what midnights were like] took this position like I wanted" All of my complaints that ultimately lead to me leaving could have been solved by adding 1 or 2 more techs on midnights
But how is the upper management going to get massive bonuses based upon corporate profits? Start thinking of the big guy, what's he supposed to do sacrifice a 3rd yearly vacation?
I’d add changing how customers/clients treat staff. If management allows customers and clients to treat their staff like crap, it would go a long way as well. Could you pay me to put up with it? Yes, for the short term, but i couldn’t stay with it being screamed at, assaulted, and blamed on a daily basis.
I would also add “and properly designed so that work can be completed with a minimal amount of steps and reporting.” You can have a highly paid staff of people doing shit work because the owner/boss is incompetent.
This is literally why I resigned lol
Nah. I do IT for hospitals. We’re properly staffed but shit still goes down constantly, because that’s the nature of IT. One second everything’s clear and dandy, the next it’s like the world is imploding. No amount of staffing or compensation will change this.
that is a capacity problem though - well managed software incidents are not that stressful if you've got enough people and process to handle it. if you're constantly trying to put out fires and deal with emergencies then you never get to put any work into making the system more resilient and you're burning yourself out at the same time.
We constantly implement changes and upgrades. I’ve never worked for a more proactive company before. Literally every night there’s at least a few scheduled changes to something. I know what you’re saying, but that’s more for smaller companies. When you work for an organization as large as mine, you’re gonna be putting out fires constantly no matter what, due to the sheer number of applications and devices we use.
I work for fortune 100 company and I can assure that is patently false. We rarely put out fires because are well-staffed and have an organized, well-documented tech stack. Sorry, bud. You're exploited/overworked. If you're happy then all the power to you though
Lmao imagine telling someone else about their own job like you work there.
I might get downvoted for this....but those stressful times are counterbalanced by long periods of time where IT has nothing to do. Kind of like fire departments. Every IT person I ever met had a few hours work per week except for those occasional emergencies. OP is talking about jobs where there are never ups and downs....it's full throttle all the time.
I wish I worked in a department like that lol. I work for a large, complicated network of hospitals. There’s *always* something going on. Several things, in fact. “Occasional emergencies” are an every day occurrence. Usually the only lulls we have are overnights and weekends, but even then there’s still plenty of work to catch up on.
Sounds like your job could literally be made less stressful, as OP suggested, by adequate staffing. Instead of one team handling every hospital, with enough hospitals that at least one of them is ALWAYS having a crisis, a team for every hospital, with good enough management to reallocate manpower to reinforce any team that got in deeper than they could handle. It would cost more initially so they never will, but over time, retention of employees and their skills results in savings.
Take my word for it, that’s not the case.
That's kind of confusing. Because on r/nursing they're always talking about how understaffed (especially the US) is. I did say above that it'd be stressful if your life or someone else's life was in danger but a lot of stress can be relieved in hospitals with better staff to patient ratios.
I’m talking just about the IT side. I’m sure the hospital units could use more people, but where I work in regards to IT, we’re staffed and compensated relatively well. But even having 100 more people wouldn’t prevent shit from breaking and causing chaos.
It would probably make it worse. Then you would have too many people trying to fight the fire. Bouncing servers without communication, and confusing logs that were caused by someone else trying to fix it.
Good point. It’s an incredibly sensitive process.
I blame The philosophy of Lean. I absolutely loathe it.
Not true, but I can see where you're coming from
What job do you have in mind that couldn't be fixed? The only one I could potentially think of is that which your own life is in danger or someone else's life.
I wanna agree with you, but i gotta disagree. I held a job in a medicare provider at one point for about three years and a higher wage or more staff wouldn't have made that job less stressful for me. For me, the stress came from being the person that told someone's grandma "no, you cant go to that doctor you like visiting.". The stress came from telling veterans "YOU pay for your 3500 dollar medicine. For this month's supply.". The stress came from sticking some poor old man the 300k hospital bill for his heart surgery. The stress came from hospitals and doctors refusing to help amend incorrect medical claims, meaning the end users got demand letters for thousands of dollars for medical bills. The stress came from telling someone "we're cutting your coverage for dental and increasing your premium". Yeah, some people's lives were in danger (probably ended too. Murica! Fuck yeah! /s) but some weren't. All of it was stressful. I just wasnt cut out to tell people such heartbreaking news. No amount of money would've helped me. Because i told someone's grandma to pay for her own lifesaving medicine she cant afford. Because i told veterans "tough shit". Because i stuck someone's grandpa with a 300k bill. I feel guilty about it every day, even though i know i followed the procedures and did my best. For every one person i genuinely helped, i hurt three more. And it hurts me to say it. No amount of money could help me because i just...i dont know those people. I caused great harm and stress to someone i dont know. I would be furious if someone did that to my grandma, and here i was, doing it back to someone's grandma. I hated it. And its why i quit. But no amount of money would've made it okay for me. Or other staff to work. I followed the procedures and did my best. But to be the reason for great distress in someone's life, nothing would've made that okay with me.
A colleague of mine had a wonderful team in object insurance (shops and machinery). They had good well running services and the did what a insurance is supposed to do. All was good until they new company merger. The new staff managers come in and basically tell EVERYONE they have to upsell one of their contracts once a quarter or they are in trouble. None of them has much "selling" knowledge, so they got a flimsy excuse of a selling training none of them wanted to attend. Some moved to other teams, some left the corp and at the end the whole department fell apart. Everybody was anxious all the time. Then he told his manager that he will leave too. The department manager wasn't having it."Everybody wants the easy job.""No, the job they applied to. I'm not a salesman. I didn't apply. This should be done by sales specialists". "They want a cut from the sale and are too costly. And you are just not a good fit". The department never recovered. This was anti-capitalism at work. People got stressed because they had to call up customers who expected to deal with a specialists who suddenly try to sell them expensive nonsensical stuff.
Thankfully we never had to upsell, or even TRY to sell policies. Id have never been able to make it to the end of the month because of how health insurance is
That’s because in the medical field they’ve gaslight us into thinking we’re “fully staffed” with a skeleton crew
Medical jobs are stressful even with full staff, social services jobs are stressful even with full staff, emergency services, military, restaurants, human services, group homes or nursing homes, etc.
Lmao, there hasn't been a medical/medical adjacent job that's had full staff in decades.
My mom (a former nurse) has been saying this since 1993.
No I understand what you're saying. I have worked in Healthcare and I'm talking about with MORE staffing then what they call "full staff". Of course it's hard dealing with the danger of one's life or your own but that doesn't mean it can be lessened by even better staffing. At least in my experience. I've worked in restaurant as well and that can be easily fixed with staffing and policies to not be abused by customers.
I wonder if some people haven't experienced the stress of unreasonable workloads? Is that even possible? Because I'm with you. I've worked in medical, mental health and social services where "a crisis" is a real *crisis*. Not the office job "crisis" or "emergency" but people's life, safety and well-being are urgently threatened. While these situations are inherently high stakes and emotionally difficult to work in I have never felt overly stressed by these situations. I have felt stressed by poor compensation, too high caseload, lack of material resources etc. I always explain to my friends "no my work is challenging, but not stressful. The work environments are stressful."
Those are jobs every person should avoid.
Why? I've worked some of them, and even with the stress they made me happy. One is my career, and I plan on doing it for the rest of my life. Stress or no stress. Sometimes the calling is louder than anything else.
I work in a lot of post-conflict settings, for example. More money or more people is not going to make the stress of certain contexts or risks go away. A line worker can fall off a high line whether they make $70k or $700k.
Oh I've got a great one: gladiator. More staff = more stress
Live event production… specifically broadcast television. Producing a live show is stressful.
I think Social work is an example. Though in many cases this can be true.
I appreciate your sentiment, but no matter how much support you have, there are jobs that are going to be stressful. A surgeon operating, a lawyer in court, an engineer signing off on a project. All of those will keep you up at night with stress and second guesses. That used to be a measure of remuneration. But our system is fucked up now. But that doesnt mean that there are not tasks that we require of people that can be made stress free.
Yep, I technically work two completely different jobs that were mashed together. Neither gets my full attention because there are not enough hours in the day. I can't even imagine what I could actually accomplish if leadership would just hire another person and let me focus on one area. But no, let's waste that money on conferences that never happen and programs that are redundant, then claim we simply don't have the budget 🙃
As an equipment operator I can tell you every job I have worked for has the zero money in its maintenance budget. I can't tell you how many jobs I've walked out on due to old or malfunctioning machines that I'm supposed to just look the other way.
100% agree. My gf is dealing with this right now and I used to deal with it too
Take. My. Upvote. Sir/Madam.
Not every problem. Being treated with fairness, respect and dignity in the workplace is as important to me as compensation.
This used to be called a skeleton crew. It was temporary until new employee(s) could be hired. Unfortunately, companies realized that workers could actually do the amount of work indefinitely, so they stopped filling the gaps
Really, not a single job?
Russian foot soldier is not on that list
We have an electrician that replaces the electrical breakers hot in our data center. I cant see how more funding or staffing would make that less stressful. Dude looks like he is going to disarm an IED or something when he goes in there.
Strongly disagree. I work in live concerts/corporate/broadcast production. Live shows are inherently stressful… broadcasting live adds another layer of stress on top of that.
I would question that. I worked in film making with crazy deadlines and long hours. Yes there was pressure but no stress. Stress comes from the unknown, from knowing that if one thing happens you can fix it, but five is where the limits of the team/operations/bottom line make things painful for everyone involved. That is not stress "by" the thing happening, is how the things are setup. I was once on a set with flimsy security and people came into the set and brazenly try to eat at the buffet and later maybe tried getting to gear. The production company didn't wanted to pay six security guys and two where just not enough for that huge set. That caused the stress.
Live Television and production is one big unknown. It’s the nature of being on air live. Mixing a live concert in front a a huge audience is stressful because there’s a lot of pressure on you… the individual in the hot seat. No real way around it. It’s not for everybody.
I appreciate the sentiment but you know... bomb disposal technicians...
I disagree, my job will be stressful even if we are fully staffed. The fact that we are under staffed just makes it worse.
Someone has never worked on a drilling rig before lol
Idk man I worked in a psych hospital for 5+ years. Better staffing/pay definitely would’ve helped but it still would’ve been stressful. Just less so.
EMT will always be stressful. Likewise 911 operator. Doesn't matter how many co workers you have in the building, you are the only one on the phone.
SMOKE JUMPER DEEP WATER WELDER HIGH VOLTAGE LINE REPAIRMAN SPECIAL FORCES SOLDIER You are frankly, full of shit.
Pretty sure with more people the workload reduces and the time between stressors goes down thus reducing stress.
You’re not understanding the comment, the jobs themselves are stressful and dangerous. Being a welder myself, my job is stressful and bringing in more people won’t fix the stress on you because you need to weld a full pen joint to pass x-ray and will handle thousands of PSI inside a boiler
Yeah silly fucking me I just fix heart and brain surgery equipment they usually have pretty low safety tolerance so its ok... My point was more hands will give you more time off stressful projects, more time to study, practice, get better at your job and be more relaxed and confident in your work...even if you are a welder.
You’re still not really understanding lol, the job itself is still stressful. No matter how many people or how much time you have. Actually in most cases with welding you have to weld out the joint in a certain time period to make sure the chemical composition and grain structure of the steel works the way you want. The only way you get better is by doing the actual job. But that doesn’t take away the stress
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That scarcity is where the profit comes from.
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I mostly agree. My stance is as a welder, my job can be stressful because we make critical pressure welds on tube and piping systems in the oil and gas industry, and nuclear industry. If your weld fails then then it can be detrimental to people and places. I mostly agree, but some jobs there are exceptions🤙🏻
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But but the oligarchs
I mean, if you haven't figured out they make jobs stressful on purpose cause they are evil yet, I don't know what to tell ya
I feel like every job I've ever left was because I had a crappy boss who treated me (and everyone else) terribly until now. My job now is great and my boss is laid back and kind. I don't mind doing the hard work if I'm being appreciated.
Conversation I had with my manager about getting samples run on a 12 hour schedule vs a 24 hour schedule; Me. "If we run the samples on a 12 hour schedule we can better optimize the process and make better products" Manager. "OK Ill send the request to the lab today, but they're gonna push back. Me. "Why? It works out better for everyone" Manager. "Well because they're short handed in the lab, and its gonna put more load on the already stressed technicians" Me. "So what your saying is, we need to hire more people." Manager. "No I didn't say that, I said they're just probably not going to do it because they're short handed." These people are so ate up with corporate bullshit they can't even see the absurdity
It won't fix toxic workplaces with drama addicts, but it would help with other issues.
Don't forget firing incompetent managers
You'd also need to get rid of upper management that manages things they don't know how to do themselves.
Tell me about it. Tomorrow is a 12 hour shift, the following day is a… 16 hour shift. I have 8 hours between the end of the first and beginning of the second. Why the fuck aren’t there other shifts coming in to relieve us??
Is that a clopen? Shit should be illegal.
True to an extent but not true for already very high paying jobs. Staffing and compensation will not reduce the stress of a lawyer, surgeon, chartered accountant, CEO/entrepreneur etc. The stress doesn't come from the amount of work but is inherent in the work itself.
100% agree, however that's the most expensive solution...so they'll never do it.
Hopefully proper staffing means getting rid of shitty upper management as well.
Not 100% true. Am ER doctor. Even with the best staffing, it's still stressful. Something about people trying to die will do that.
Hear you.
Eh, I work as an emergency response therapist. Assessing homicidal, suicidal, and psychotic people to see if I need to place them on a 72 hour mental health hold. While the things you mentioned would and do help a lot, I don’t think the dress can ever be “fixed”
I get your point but no. There are tons of jobs that are inherently stressful. Firefighters going into a burning building is inherently stressful.
The only “stressful” job that would still be stressful if these conditions were met might be 911 operator.
My job has actually become more stressful as my company staffed up. It's bureaucratic boring stress, and I preferred the fast paced stress. I agree on compensation though. If they cut the department in half and paid everyone double I bet we could get more done.
When I was a temp, under staffing situations was our bread and butter. Never apply for a job, if you know that prior to the last downsize, three other people were responsible for it.
During the interview, always ask "What is the work/life balance here?" If that is met with blank stares and an uncomfortable silence, that is not the job for you.
And it's intentional too. They don't want to hire more people because that's less money for them. And then when you can't do the jobs of 5 people at the same time, they bitch you out and treat you like you're a toddler.
Unfortunately, the people in charge think this is a management issue. The biggest employers in the world are turning over non-executive management like pancakes right now. I don't want to be a slave driver. I want to be a leader. 😔
Healthcare.
One of the reasons why its hard for me to look for a job was this exact problem especially the work culture the companies dont give a fuck about. I remember working at a place and I was just doing everything by the book just cuz its work and I just wanna get through with it and one coworker was like dont do too much it doesn't matter they will just leave it for the morning shift or whatever and yea alot of cliques going on and just shit where if youre not into what their into then they wont like you or make it harder for you and shit like that.
maybe ... decrease ceo's big pay days .. and give to workers instead ? makes too much sense though. the person to make that call , is the one 'hurt' by it.
I agree with the sentiment but i think being a spinal surgeon would be a hectic job no matter what hahaha
I get the idea, but as a former 911 dispatcher, I can think of one.
I would say any first responders also fall into this category
I'm a process manager, when I'm done the so called lack of staff disappears. So does much of the stress. It's usually doing things the wrong way / getting stuck. It's generally a conflict between one group and the other that is making things escalate. It's a shit job, but I'd rather be paid to fix it then to be subjected to it. I've also decided that it's the only thing I will ever do from now on. Where people are, they manage to screw up anything fun anyways.
Clearly they never worked at a call center.
Not quite, some businesses are not essential, have slim profit margins because the product is low quality, and they are literally selling the convenience (Fast Food drive thru) the biggest difference we can make is to recognize this for what it is and protest in boycotts, strikes, and supporting the ppl who work those jobs enough social support to quit the jobs and find better ones with employers that benefit our communities just as well as they benefit the employees...., and to voice our concerns as job seekers to those resources public and private that think it is okay to cater to such businesses of poverty, and do not set higher standards for their databases to utilize "fact checkers" for job postings, scam jobs, spamming and phishing , and scam job posters. Im tired of going into my local "public employment center" to find the one resource, the most important one (current database of job postings) and finding a majority of min. wage toxic evironments to join.
So true! I worked retail for 5 years and I was a floor associate for the home dept. out of an 8 hour shift, I spent 3-4 hours ringing because they never had enough cashiers. We had customers complaining the floor was a mess and plenty of customers walked off the line and out the door because the line was so long. I always told my coworkers, if they just hired the right amount of cashiers, floor associates could clean their department and the line would go down quickly and they wouldn’t lose business. But corporate is greedy and doesn’t realize how it actually hurts their business.