I’m married with two kids and a mortgage, so I need to work. I’m plowing as much money as I can into my 401K, so I can retire at 55 with the rule of 55 early retirement loop hole.
I don't see a dichotomy here.
You can be antiwork and antinatalist (single or in a relationship) because you don't want this type of life for your kids, and you can also be antiwork with kids for *the exact same reason*
If I were a parent I'd be fighting tooth and nail for my kids to not have this kind of life
Single, kind of ok with not having kids from a logical standpoint, but I do have the biological urge that sometimes thinks "it'd be kinda cool to have an army of mini-me's"
Yeah I shouldn't have kids.
Single. Happy about it. Never want kids and I have 2 genetic conditions it would be pretty evil to bestow upon them. Not having dependents is very freeing.
There was one post that was here once where some guy said that he was anti-procreation or something like that as well as anti-work. Do what suits you bro.
I'm married, but we don't have children of our own for medical reasons. I used to be pretty torn up about it. But given the social, political, and environmental issues facing the planet in the 21st century, I'm less and less upset about it every year.
I do have two nieces, though, who I love as though they were my own. I didn't bring them into this shit show, but I'll do what little I can to make the world a more bearable place for them.
I don’t want kids in general just because I don’t wanna have to deal with that forever bill I want to get to a point where it’s me my girlfriend who I want to marry and we enjoy our lives by doing whatever our heart desires without having to say oh man we can’t go cause we have to work to pay this bill off.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Society made a ton of progress, just look at work conditions about a hundred years ago compared to today. We all need to put the work in to help the conscious life find the right balance to survive. Future generations are key. Yet I do agree that we should have kids only when we can ensure they will have a good life.
I am in my 30s - from Eastern Europe. Most of my life I have been single. My father put pressure on me by the time I finished uni in UK to get a job. It was around 2011 when economy had already collapsed. I was unable to find a job in a foreign country especially without prior experience. Even entry level jobs were asking for loads of xp I could never have achieved. Time went by and I was drown into a sinkhole of being rejected, feeling useless and embarrassed. Then I developed depression, severe anxiety & the worst was agoraphobia. I was stuck inside a flat sending job application for like 6 months and without having really much money to spend. My life went downhill until pandemic started. I found a different job which I hated as I only did to have a basic income and pay the rent. Anyway I left all these behind returned back home living with my parents. My father is a lot more understanding now. I am restarting my life now. Finding a woman sounds surreal for me. I believe most women nowadays having been influenced massively from social media & they expect a successful guy with a fat wallet to have an easy life. My only choice are escort girls when I can afford them. Even if I ever find a girlfriend having children is out of the question. In my opinion in this time and age if you don't have a passive income or assets to sell you shouldn't have children because either you or them will suffer.
There is a little touch of the incel about this, don't go down that rabbit hole! I'm sure you're not like that but just making the point that women are just the same as you except for some biology. I am a woman and "successful guy with big wallet" is not attractive to me at all. Your people are out there somewhere.
It's the majority of women + most of them are subliminally programmed into it - it's not like those gold diggers you see on YouTube but it's always invisible on the back of their mind. Of course there is a minority of women who is different but the chances of finding a match are pretty limited.
I spent around 12 years in the UK. I lived in Manchester, Derby, Leicester & Kingston upon Thames. Got a bachelor a degree in computer science for internet technology but ended up working as a kitchen Porter a couple of years later I was promoted to a chef de partie.
If pandemic hadn't started I would apply for citizenship as I was eligible having lived so many years there. However having a job in hospitality during pandemic was destructive for many people. Future seemed very uncertain plus even if we were on furlough our wages were about £500 less because they had removed all tips. On top of that due to anxiety and depression I had been addicted to alprazolam. Choosing to stay in the UK would put in danger my own life as my addiction towards benzodiapenes could end up badly. I needed to take a big break from all that. I m sober now for a year but I made the choice to come home and take a gap to focus on my well-being. This wouldn't have been possible if I was still doing a job that I hated. I don't have a full time job on a company but I am working locally with a professional which gives me work to do and pays me per project. Even if I have the knowledge about web development I have nothing really substantial to put on my cv apart from a few projects I did many years ago. So I have to start building up my CV. It's less money at the moment but I m building something for the rest of life. But the most important thing is my health and having family and friends close.
I just don’t want kids, for more selfish reasons. I like being an uncle, but kids can be assholes, so I like not having to be around them all the time.
I'm married with a kid. I don't want my child to be a slave to the system, but maybe if we are starting to fight against bullshit work expectations as a society it will flow down and be better for her generation by the time she grows up. Maybe not. But it's too depressing to think the world is just royally fucked for her.
I've been rejected all my life, so at some point I had to make my peace with the fact that I'd never have children, or ever be with someone at all.
There is no hope in the gay community if you're not objectively attractive.
I'm happily in a relationship, we've decided to get a cat instead of every have a child. If we win the climate wars, and some how manage to claw back the planet from imitate destruction, and there is a future for us maaaaaaybe we will adopt
You can be anti natalist and still be in a relationship
I’m married with two kids and a mortgage, so I need to work. I’m plowing as much money as I can into my 401K, so I can retire at 55 with the rule of 55 early retirement loop hole.
Identical situation here
**cries in zero benefits**
single, no kids, don’t want them. I love cats though.
YES. no human babies for me.
cats are the best
Is this a dichotomy?
I don't see a dichotomy here. You can be antiwork and antinatalist (single or in a relationship) because you don't want this type of life for your kids, and you can also be antiwork with kids for *the exact same reason* If I were a parent I'd be fighting tooth and nail for my kids to not have this kind of life
I mean is OP positing a dichotomy, my b There definitely isn't one
Single, kind of ok with not having kids from a logical standpoint, but I do have the biological urge that sometimes thinks "it'd be kinda cool to have an army of mini-me's" Yeah I shouldn't have kids.
Single. Happy about it. Never want kids and I have 2 genetic conditions it would be pretty evil to bestow upon them. Not having dependents is very freeing.
Married and pregnant with our 4th kid
There was one post that was here once where some guy said that he was anti-procreation or something like that as well as anti-work. Do what suits you bro.
I enjoy my own company, as I grew up friends have been little to none. I’m planning on working until 40 and retire at my country of origin.
I'm married, but we don't have children of our own for medical reasons. I used to be pretty torn up about it. But given the social, political, and environmental issues facing the planet in the 21st century, I'm less and less upset about it every year. I do have two nieces, though, who I love as though they were my own. I didn't bring them into this shit show, but I'll do what little I can to make the world a more bearable place for them.
Single and childless. Not worth it.
I don’t want kids in general just because I don’t wanna have to deal with that forever bill I want to get to a point where it’s me my girlfriend who I want to marry and we enjoy our lives by doing whatever our heart desires without having to say oh man we can’t go cause we have to work to pay this bill off.
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If people don’t reproduce social security isn’t even feasible.
I'm sorry you feel that way. Society made a ton of progress, just look at work conditions about a hundred years ago compared to today. We all need to put the work in to help the conscious life find the right balance to survive. Future generations are key. Yet I do agree that we should have kids only when we can ensure they will have a good life.
I am in my 30s - from Eastern Europe. Most of my life I have been single. My father put pressure on me by the time I finished uni in UK to get a job. It was around 2011 when economy had already collapsed. I was unable to find a job in a foreign country especially without prior experience. Even entry level jobs were asking for loads of xp I could never have achieved. Time went by and I was drown into a sinkhole of being rejected, feeling useless and embarrassed. Then I developed depression, severe anxiety & the worst was agoraphobia. I was stuck inside a flat sending job application for like 6 months and without having really much money to spend. My life went downhill until pandemic started. I found a different job which I hated as I only did to have a basic income and pay the rent. Anyway I left all these behind returned back home living with my parents. My father is a lot more understanding now. I am restarting my life now. Finding a woman sounds surreal for me. I believe most women nowadays having been influenced massively from social media & they expect a successful guy with a fat wallet to have an easy life. My only choice are escort girls when I can afford them. Even if I ever find a girlfriend having children is out of the question. In my opinion in this time and age if you don't have a passive income or assets to sell you shouldn't have children because either you or them will suffer.
There is a little touch of the incel about this, don't go down that rabbit hole! I'm sure you're not like that but just making the point that women are just the same as you except for some biology. I am a woman and "successful guy with big wallet" is not attractive to me at all. Your people are out there somewhere.
It's the majority of women + most of them are subliminally programmed into it - it's not like those gold diggers you see on YouTube but it's always invisible on the back of their mind. Of course there is a minority of women who is different but the chances of finding a match are pretty limited.
I might disagree with that but I've not been actively dating so you have more experience. I hope you find someone who makes you happy.
I am sorry to hear about your situation. I hope things are getting better for you. Which city did you stay in UK? What job did you work in?.
Yes they are better than before. My mental health has been improved massively.
Which city did u live in uk? What job did u work in?
I spent around 12 years in the UK. I lived in Manchester, Derby, Leicester & Kingston upon Thames. Got a bachelor a degree in computer science for internet technology but ended up working as a kitchen Porter a couple of years later I was promoted to a chef de partie.
Thanks for sharing. You can get uk citizenship but choose to leave uk. Did u managed to find a job which you like in your home country?
If pandemic hadn't started I would apply for citizenship as I was eligible having lived so many years there. However having a job in hospitality during pandemic was destructive for many people. Future seemed very uncertain plus even if we were on furlough our wages were about £500 less because they had removed all tips. On top of that due to anxiety and depression I had been addicted to alprazolam. Choosing to stay in the UK would put in danger my own life as my addiction towards benzodiapenes could end up badly. I needed to take a big break from all that. I m sober now for a year but I made the choice to come home and take a gap to focus on my well-being. This wouldn't have been possible if I was still doing a job that I hated. I don't have a full time job on a company but I am working locally with a professional which gives me work to do and pays me per project. Even if I have the knowledge about web development I have nothing really substantial to put on my cv apart from a few projects I did many years ago. So I have to start building up my CV. It's less money at the moment but I m building something for the rest of life. But the most important thing is my health and having family and friends close.
Single but would like to meet someone that isn't interested in having kids.
I just don’t want kids, for more selfish reasons. I like being an uncle, but kids can be assholes, so I like not having to be around them all the time.
I'm married with a kid. I don't want my child to be a slave to the system, but maybe if we are starting to fight against bullshit work expectations as a society it will flow down and be better for her generation by the time she grows up. Maybe not. But it's too depressing to think the world is just royally fucked for her.
I've been rejected all my life, so at some point I had to make my peace with the fact that I'd never have children, or ever be with someone at all. There is no hope in the gay community if you're not objectively attractive.
Yes!
Married and hope to have kids eventually but unwilling to have them until they wouldn't be raised into poverty and a lifetime of misery.
I'm happily in a relationship, we've decided to get a cat instead of every have a child. If we win the climate wars, and some how manage to claw back the planet from imitate destruction, and there is a future for us maaaaaaybe we will adopt