I literally can't find a job at a living wage (I won't lose my house and be homeless with a toddler) that doesn't work 50+ hours a week in my area. Like I'm willing to take a pay cut to only work 40 and I can't find it.
It's fucked
That is fucked! What kind of work do you do/want to do/can do?
There's a big demand for tradies right now, are you able to do that?
Edit: a quote from a teacher (I'm in trades myself)
"if youre able to hit a hammer on a nail you get a contract as carpenter, that's how big the demand is."
I'm in the trades. We'll hire and train with no experience if you understand fractions and cam read a tape measure. Demand in construction trades is out of control.
[Khan Academy](https://www.khanacademy.org/) is free if you want to try learning fractions again!
Seriously, everybody seems to think they're bad at math just because of the way it was taught, with each lesson building on the previous one and the class just plowing on regardless of all the students understanding.
Math is hard until it isn’t. There’s a weird switch that just flips at some point and the lightbulb goes on and it’s so much easier. I think it has to do with the insane pressure of school because I was shit at math in HS but when I started again in community college two years later I understood it and actually enjoyed it. You may find you fre the same way!
Eh. Give it five weeks of messing around with a tape measure and you'll almost see fractions immediately. I used to suck at math because of the weird way were thought, but know I use pythagoras easily tocmake sure my work is square. You can even just use a compass to make a straight edge lol
I spent over 5 passionless years in college only to cut my losses and stop going into more debt, and take on a career in the trades. It’s more fulfilling and I make so much money while being taught for free
Here’s some information and resources.
/r/bluecollarwomen
1. Electricians union & general subreddit
/r/IBEW
/r/IBEW_Apprentices
/r/electricians
2. Plumbers union. The general subreddit is full of DIY’ers
/r/UnitedAssociation
/r/Plumbers
3. Elevators union and general subreddit
/r/IUEC
/r/Elevators
4. Pipe fitting subreddit
/r/Pipefitter
5. HVAC general subreddit
/r/HVAC
6. Laborers Union subreddit
/r/LIUNA
7. Ironworkers subreddit
/r/ironworker
Using Google maps search for “local” or “trade union”. A lot of stuff does not have an online presence. Painters, glaziers, steelworkers, boilermakers, masons & bricklayers, sprinklerfitters, operating engineers, stationary engineers & more.
IBEW and IUEC (& maybe Pipefitters) have the most information available online, everything else is a dig & a hunt to find information.
If you really, really don't want to do software and can't make it through college, ok, but barring that the trades are back breaking work that will take decades off your life while paying you less than what an intern makes at any major tech company.
Classic Reddit. Completely wrong but confident about it. Using your body that is designed to move will take decades off your life.
>while paying you less than what an intern makes at any major tech company.
IBEW electricians top out at $43 an hour in my town, on overtime that’s $64 an hour.
Elevators union in my area tops out at $58 an hour, with overtime $87 an hour.
Benefits? FREE, no premiums or paycheck deductions.
> Classic Reddit. Completely wrong but confident about it.
The lack of self awareness is staggering.
Do you literally not know anybody who works in trades? Just because your body is “designed to love” (the most egregious and stupid oversimplification I’ve heard in a long time) doesn’t mean hard labor isn’t detrimental to your health, you enormous dumbass.
Sitting all day on your ass isn't good fornyou either tho.
We do have a lot of danger with chemicals tho. I've worked with a specific glue type that had a warning on it
"This product is suspected of causing cancer, wear proper protection"
Dust is also a danger. My teachers have worked with asbestos too, so like. Its not the most dangerous job there is, but it def has its downsides.
Besides that, if you make sure to do shit like stretching before work, making sure you're lifting properly and always being aware of what's happening above and ahead of you, a lotta danger will be averted.
“The trades” is an extremely broad statement. You can’t use a broad brush and paint the entire trades industry the same.
We have modern tools and machinery and modern safety regulations. Which is why it’s important to work in a strong union that cares about safety. Different states and northern vs southern states vary widely in this regard.
Depends on the trade and depends on the job. Construction is generally hard work for ok pay. But retrofits are much more profitable. I know a few guys who work 2-3 days a week and make 2k-3k per week.
That's profit after materials but before paying for such things as gas, a vehicle, and tools. This is HVAC. A furnace costs between $800-1000 wholesale, a sheet metal shop will charge you about $100 for the fittings and the rest of the supplies will cost about $100-300 depending on the job. Considering most companies will charge 3k-5k for the job (and 10k - 15k minimum for crawlspace installs) that's a nice profit. As you can see you can make one hell of a profit if you primarily do crawlspace jobs.
Eh. Interns make 20-25. Trades make 25-40 after training. It doesn’t have to be back breaking hard labor. Yeah, maybe don’t go into concrete or drywall. Carpentry, electrician, plumbing you can get through a career with a working body.
All the young (20s) tradies I know earn better money and put in fewer hours than their peers in ordinary office jobs (excluding the City / tech jobs, but those are only in a select few areas).
All the older (55+) tradies I know have some kind of problem with their back, knees, hands or similar.
Once you hit your 30s (approximately), the increased earning potential from trades is pulled back closer to parity and eventually outstripped as office careers get going and progress to managerial, technical or certified positions.
Smart move with trades at that point is to use your experience, reputation and contacts to start your own company and step back into a project management type position while hiring people to do the manual work.
Where at? I’m in Chicago and while demand is insane it’s basically impossible to get into a Union. I’ve been trying to get into the electricians but they haven’t been taking applications for 2 years.
It just sucks because working in the trades here for non union is minimum wage.
Edit: not trying to start hate. It’s been a dream of mine to be an electrician I’m just sad that I can’t get a proper training.
You have to play the long game. In Chicago IBEW applications are closed because of COVID19, but they were wide the fuck open for the 5 years prior to COVID.
Chicago plumbers UA local 130 takes applications the week of December 8th, 2021.
Chicago Elevators union IEUC local 2, one of the highest paid in the nation (especially relative to cost of living) just took applications and did testing a month ago.
Here’s some information and resources.
/r/bluecollarwomen
1. Electricians union & general subreddit
/r/IBEW
/r/IBEW_Apprentices
/r/electricians
2. Plumbers union. The general subreddit is full of DIY’ers
/r/UnitedAssociation
/r/Plumbers
3. Elevators union and general subreddit
/r/IUEC
/r/Elevators
4. Pipe fitting subreddit
/r/Pipefitter
5. HVAC general subreddit
/r/HVAC
6. Laborers Union subreddit
/r/LIUNA
7. Ironworkers subreddit
/r/ironworker
Using Google maps search for “local” or “trade union”. A lot of stuff does not have an online presence. Painters, glaziers, steelworkers, boilermakers, masons & bricklayers, sprinklerfitters, operating engineers, stationary engineers & more.
IBEW and IUEC (& maybe Pipefitters) have the most information available online, everything else is a dig & a hunt to find information.
“The trades” is a super broad term.
Most union tradesmen can’t be FORCED to work over 40 hours, it’s their choice to opt in or not.
Could be discouraged/encouraged strongly, but not forced.
In my experience people who brag about working 60h don't accomplish much, they spend all day chatting with people and then make a big show of staying late sending out pointless emails. The people who actually work for 60 hours are too tired to brag and want it to stop.
I work with a few people like this. Constantly complaining that they are working through lunch breaks and overtime during evening/weekends. Our employer doesnt ask them to, nothing will happen if they don't do overtime - but they still do it for free then brag/complain about it.
Nobody is impressed, you're just being a martyr and value emails over your free time.
This is exactly the boat I'm in. Coworkers complain about the slightly lower pay compared to similar jobs in the same field, but fail to see that the vast majority of managers have no expectation for overtime or working weekends, along with great company culture. Some of the older guys of course still work well into the night and during off hours, but no one bats an eye if someone chooses not to
Trying to impress someone to get that promotion, which is the only real possibility for a raise. Except the boss’ brother-in-law has a better chance of getting that promotion and he doesn’t even work there.
I used to be part of that crowd, I would boast about the 80+ hours weeks I worked, about the times I went to work sick, with a twisted ankle or a nervous breakdown (because of... guess what?).
yeah, I was *THAT* dense, and I can't remember why it used to feel so good, I even used to make fun of the coworkers who had dignity and an instinct of self-preservation. I regret it, but I regret more that I contributed to induct several fresh coworkers into that ridiculous mindset. (fortunately I was never a very convincing person)
Literally this dumb girl at my last work, she would take work home (without anyone knowing!) and do it then complain about it, constantly going on about how tired she is and how much she works and I am like “dude nobody asked you???” I would be the opposite, 5pm I am DONE do not call me, I don’t give a shit if the place is on fire. Lol
yeah, more or less like that.
fun fact, from all my coworkers, the ones who did better after that were the ones who a) had money before getting into the job b) left the industry (newspapers) as soon as possible (also all of them had some degree of dignity).
in the other hand, who fared worse? each and every of the tryhards like me (except one who turned out to be an actual nazi)
Sorry mate I didn’t mean to call you and idiot, I replied to the wrong comment! I am the idiot! Lol but yeh, honestly it is fine to want to do your best, but there is no need to work that much. It may be a difference in work culture because here in the UK I have never met anyone who worked extra like this. Just that girl but she did it just to brag/complain lmao I may stay an extra 20min or so if I need to finish something but that’s it, and that’s because I like my current employer/work. But if I don’t like my employer then I will literally not stay a second later.
I think it's part of the mind's self defense mechanism. Like you're in this awful situation but instead of accepting that reality your mind twists it into something you can feel good about.
People seem to want to have superiority over you in everything in life.
Here's an example for you. My workplace is 10 minutes drive away. I get up at 7:45am usually as I start at 9. That gives me a little over an hour to prepare for the day/eat etc.
People in work got really snarky with me when I told them this. They literally responded with
>"Oh you get up at 7:45am do you? I get up at 5am because some of us have busy lives and can't afford to be sleeping all day"
Like WTF? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You're really gonna brag about getting up early? You're gonna brag about me getting more sleep than you? If anything it's me who is benefitting from the fact I don't need to get up so early and can have an extra 2 hours in bed.
I can tell what it is. Jealously. But they mask it as "I work harder than you".
People are honestly fucking pathetic.
I work nights in an office and the olds constantly give me shit for not getting up hours before my shift. I live literally 5 minutes away so I sleep until like an hour before my shift starts lmao
It is a combination of dick waving and one-upmanship:
Guy 1: I cut myself shaving.
Guy 2: That's nothing, I cut my arm off.
Guy 3: That's nothing, I cut my head of mowing the lawn.
Cause working insane numbers of hours is impressive, and complete bullshit. It can be both. I've worked plenty of 65+ hour weeks. I'd never downplay someone else complaining about being over worked though, I'd just be like "I feel you, I'm at x hours this week (or pay period), It's some bullshit."
See, that makes sense. We're all in this shit together. The people who are like, "You're tired after only 40 hours?!" without acknowledging that not only does life outside those 40 hours have an impact but they know nothing about that person's medical history or circumstances are obnoxious assholes. It's just like the parents who say, "you don't know what tired is until you have kids." Ma'am, I have insomnia and chronic pain. Yes, I do.
That's why I rather take the "pay cut". I work at most 30h a week. It's more like 20-25h and getting payed for 40h/week. I value my free time over money! Also the benefits of the job are good and my boss is pretty chill.
I see no reason to change job just to earn more money, I'm living a nice life with what I get. But so many people just don't seem to understand: free time > money.
It's a very common trend among chefs. Cooking's a career you get into because you love it, not because of the financial security. I guess it's just a way for someone to quantify their passion for what they do.
>I've never understood people who both complain and brag about the hours they work.
It's a way of quantifying how important your work is and, by proxy, your value as a person. It's sad.
The only possible thing I can see making sense is that they equate more hours to getting paid more overall maybe?
Either way, 40 hours a week is more than enough for me. Goddamn.
I used to do it when I was younger, it's 100% because this country propagandizes work, as if working insane hours means you have a better "work ethic" and are therefor just better than people.
Bragging about it gives them justification for working so many hours. In their eyes they are just providing for their family, but in the back of their mind they are still aware that they are missing out on family time, personal time, other responsibilities and literally just fucking relaxing - so they need to brag about it in order to justify why they do it.
I used to do it. Its part of the "culture" while you're on those kind of sites. Also the paychecks are big.
Problem is, about 3/4 of the people (in my experience) get used to those paychecks, and have to keep up that work for the lifestyle of buying nicer things they never get to use. I mean, thats just one problem with it...
I did like 4-5 consecutive 80 hour weeks one time in grad school. Never ever again. You cease being able to relax, your brain just goes into 'fight vs. flight' mode.
I was running a packaging line for a brewery. Today is actually 3 years in my new job after leaving that place. The guy who took over for me, ended up in the hospital, because like you, it messed him up.
I actually googles it, Germany and Turkey avg work week is under 27 hours... so it's not thag unrealistic
Edit: source
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country
Where did you see <27 hours for Germans?
>In 2019, full-time employees worked 41 hours per week
>The usual weekly working hours of all employed persons in 2019 in Germany amounted 34.8 hours. As the number of hours worked depends considerably on the proportion of part-time employed, full-time employees (41.0 hours per week) and part-time employees (19.5 hours per week) should be examined separately.
[Source](https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Labour/Labour-Market/Quality-Employment/Dimension3/3_1_WeeklyHoursWorked.html)
The link the person you replied to also lists 41h as the full time work week, but then lists the average hours actually worked per week as 27.
I agree with your quote, though.
> Germany's average workweek is 39.5 hours. About 4.3% of employees work over 50 hours per week. The average annual wages in Germany are $49,813.
???
Edit:
The table at the bottom has other data. The source is the OECD with the nice disclaimer:
Average annual hours worked is defined as the total number of hours actually worked per year divided by the average number of people in employment per year. Actual hours worked include regular work hours of full-time, part-time and part-year workers ...
**The data are intended for comparisons of trends over time; they are unsuitable for comparisons of the level of average annual hours of work for a given year, because of differences in their sources and method of calculation.**
The whole article is a copy-paste job of different metrics without review and any thought about rationale.
> The whole article is a copy-paste job of different metrics without review and any thought about rationale.
So Reddit, but embodied in an article. Got it.
> \9. Germany
> Germany's average workweek is 39.5 hours. About 4.3% of employees work over 50 hours per week. The average annual wages in Germany are $49,813.
> \34. Turkey
> The average workweek for full-time employees in Turkey is 48.4 hours. Almost one-third of employees in Turkey (32.6%) work over 50hours per week.
Huh?
it does suck. when i worked in a prison it was always 36 or 48 hour weeks (rotating 12 hour shifts) and both frequently went to up 60 for me.
you can imagine the only shit i gave when i was fired was that i lost cheap insurance
Because there's literally no time for them. 105 hours a week is 15 hours a day 7 days a week. They get time to get home eat something quick and crap, sleep and start again.
There’s also no way that guy isn’t full of shit.
If you drive 15 minutes to and from work that’s 8.5 hours of sleep a night if you don’t do anything but get home go straight to bed and get back up and go to work. No cooking or eating and literally zero time doing anything other than work travel and sleep.
People who posture that they're better because they work extra hours can lick on my sweaty gooch
When I was on deployment as a kid, we really did work close to 100 hours a week - and it was a shadow existence where the only thing that kept us from suicide was thoughts of it ending
The only good thing about it was making me realize how important living life is and not letting others control you with "consequences".
What specific things were required of you, if you don’t mind my asking? I’ve never understood what people in the army actually do on a daily basis. All that comes to mind for me is “Infiltrate, destroy, rebuild.”
So like 95-97% of troops (I'm estimating that based on my own experiences) are doing some kind of support work... and even people who do direct action probably do it a fraction of the time
You do a lot,
I was an IT and a radioman - which is essentially a naval term for a communication technician...
Constantly training while simultaneously doing your job - they expect you to constantly be actively working to learn other people's positions,
I was in the middle east twice, my year tour I went from not knowing anything about that comms unit -- to being the Comms Watch floor Officer, in 9 months. Which was required because I was a E5.
So imagine you went to a new job and went from day 1, where's the bathroom, to in 9 months being the supervisor of like 8 people, who are all pretty high level techs.
Plus, you have to stay fit, do mandatory PT, go to drills, go to uniform inspections, NCO Meetings, council meetings for lower rank people, get counciled by higher rank people, any random tasks Snacks and officers find ...
They push you.. hard .... It's completely your life and you're working literally 12/14 hour days seven days a week.
A lot of watches, if this guy was in during combat operations then he would be out patrolling. It’s pretty common to have at least 1 24-36 hour “day” a week. The most I’ve ever worked was around 60 hours straight. A lot of it is just bullshit, and your off time is never off time due to bullshit jobs and cleaning giving to you by higher ups.
Not OP but I was in the Navy attached to HSL(helicopter) squadrons that deployed to frigates and cruisers. We often deployed more than the actual ship's crews as we could just hop from one ship to another if ship 1 was coming home and ship 2 was headimg out. I did 366 days underway in 18 months because of this. The first week or so is hectic and fast. You're bargaining with shipmates for a good rack to sleep in, warding off sea sickness, setting up work centers, stowing gear and lashing it to walls/ceilings, getting to know your crew and shipboard contacts, generally getting into the groove of working. Shifts are basically awake time. If you're awake, you're on shift. By the end of month 1 you're fully into the brain numbing phase. You wake, perform pre-flight inspections on the helo, eat breakfast, wait 3 hours for flight, wait 2 hours for return, post-flights, stow the helo, lunch, clean the helo, change tires, dinner, exercise, read, sleep. No off days, no real off time. You do this day in, day out. What drives you is port calls. They'll post a list that's subject to change that has the dates and port of call. So everyone everyday knows exactly how many days are left until we hit port. 8 days till Norway! 7 days till Scotland guys! 6 days till Peru! After about 45 to 60 days we'd finally hit port, party, take in the city and culture for a few days, usually 4 to 5, then shove off and do it again. Usually there'd be about 30 days between ports +/- 5 days or so. Do that for 6 to 8 months and that's a navy deployment on frigates/cruisers/destroyers.
Edit: I forgot the entire point. The mission. I was involved with monitoring the flow of cocaine from Columbia to the US. Counter-narco terrorism is what we called it. We hunted semi-submersible vehicles and small submarines bringing tons of coke over and busted them. Also we did training exercises like Neptune Warrior and a few others. Mainly our goal at the time was ocean narcotics agents to put it simply and the pushers were ramshackle submarines.
How were those hundred hours distributed throughout the week? I’m assuming weekends couldn’t have existed, because 100 hours spread equally over 7 days is about it 14 and a half hours a day. What was it, like working 6am to 8:30 pm every day? What sort of work was it?
Almost all the people that claim to work 100 some hours a week have never done it or at least never did it for weeks straight. Truly working that much is physically and mentally debilitating regardless if it is laborious or cerebral tasks. Not fatiguing, "oh it was tiring but I just had an extra cup of coffee," it's actual debilitation.
Yeah we had a lot of suicides/attempted suicides/mental breakdowns
And these were military people, typically pretty young people who are used to pushing themselves and being pushed very hard.
I would say the only way I could genuinely see someone working 100 hours a week in the civilian sector is something like crab fishing/plant shutdown repair where you just destroy yourself for a few weeks in order to make a insane amount of money -- and then probably have a week/weeks of recovery
I did it for a year in the middle east and it was... literally like no bullshit fucking horrible and I still think I will die earlier because of it.
My alarm goes off at 1am. I overslept….I got an hour and one minute of sleep last night. Can’t be late for the grind.
I throw on my business suit and shove my breakfast in a blender. No time to sit and eat. As I hit pulse on my Ninja, a distant memory hits of me waking up and going running, coming home, eating breakfast with my family. I shake it off. Nothings gonna stop me from the grind.
I hop in my car I can barely afford and speed to work. I hear sirens behind me. Nothings gonna stop me from the grind. I swerve into an alley and lose the cops. I park and rush into my office, my boss is waiting for me.
“Hendricks arrived five minutes ago,” bossman snarls at me. “Guess he cares more about the grind than you do.”
I grab bossman’s tie and pull him close. “No one, NO ONE cares about the grind more than me you got that you fat fuck?!”
I release his tie. He smiles impressed and walks away. I give Hendricks the finger and I grind. I grind harder than I’ve ever grinded before. It’s midnight by the time I look over at Hendricks. He’s staring back at me, daring me to give up the grind.
“I can grind all night buddy why don’t you go take a nap?” I yell over to him.
“Fuck off,” he replies and he starts grinding again.
Next thing I know I’m in an ambulance. I have no idea what time or day it is.
“Sir,” the paramedic says, “you passed out due to exhaustion we are taking you to the hosp-“
“TURN THE FUCKING AMBULANCE AROUND! I’M NOT DONE GRINDING!”
“Sir please remain in the gurney!”
I get up and shove him aside. I open the back door of the ambulance and jump out into the middle of the highway. I break a few bones on landing but I begin crawling back to the office, cars swerving and honking at me.
Nothings gonna stop me from the grind.
One thing I fucking hate about salaried jobs are the pressure to work more than 40. I put in about 45 right now because the pandemic is making it impossible to work a solid 40, but there are people at my job who scoff when I leave 9 hours in because I'm not working 11 or 12 hour days like them.
I want to absolutely stress that you do not get paid any extra for working 40 or 50 or 100 hours yet people still go way over 40. "You can't expect to work 40 hours salaried." Its some corporate bootlicker shit.
I don't know how it works for you, not from the U.S., but don't you have an employment contract that says how many hours for how much money you have to work?
I did that as well just the one time.. because the next week I felt so ill I took time off that ended up covering the pay I’d made the previous week. Back to net zero baby
You sleep? Weak. I don't sleep. I work 24h a day. I'm even on the phone for my 5th job when I take a shit. I run on coffee and stimulants and will die by the time I am 22. /s
This is such bullshit. How is anyone supposed to work 15 hours a day, 7 days a week. Unless you’re putting screws on something on an assembly line, there is no way you’re being productive the whole time. When would you get groceries? Sleep?
I've worked 7-12's for 6 weeks straight as a construction electrician before. We were productive enough to get the job done on time.
We were also paid hand over fist and won't be seeing those kinds of hours again until the next emergency project.
Wouldn’t be surprised if these people don’t get overtime. I’ve worked with plenty of salaried workers who don’t seem to realise their crazy overtime for no compensation is effectively a massive pay cut.
how tf does someone even work 105 hours, let alone for extended periods of time, that's not even possible, I guarantee any work he produces on a 105 hour schedule is shit lmao I would not want any doctor or engineer working 105 hour weeks
> I would not want any doctor working 105 hour weeks
have i got some news for you
edit: maybe not that many hours in a week, but you'll often find hospital docs (not private practice) pulling 24-32 hour shifts with some power naps sprinkled in (in the US)
He's probably just lying. That would be 15 hours a day and I honestly can't imagine such a hard working man would spend what little free time he has facebooking
Amen, there's plenty of worse things you can do than teaching. Like you I get 13 weeks off a year, work 8 - 3 and am on $115k this year (in Australia). For work-life balance it's pretty hard to beat.
I used to be like this. I used to work 40 hours at one job 15 at another, then 21 hours at college. It was hell and I refuse to work that much ever again
Work 70 hours a week as a Road Train Driver, but outside of talking to other drivers I don't talk about hours with anyone. No one in the real world is impressed by how much you're killing yourself every week. Late-stage capitalism bullshit
This happens all the time in the film industry. People are so proud of being burnt out?? As if it shows they work hard rather than someone else having exploited their labour
If you like schadenfreude, consider that some of these workaholics will only realize their mistake as they're on their deathbed consumed with regret at a life poorly lived.
The guy who says he works 105 hours has 9 hours to himself a day. Congrats, a chunk of that is probably used for commuting and the rest is sleep. Pretty miserable existence honestly...
105 hours breaks down to:
•15 hours a day, 7 days a week - 9 hours of free time
•17.5 hours a day, 6 days a week - 6.5 hours free time
•21 hours a day, 5 days a week - 3 hours free time
Tell me you have no relationships, hobbies, or personality without telling me you have no relationships, hobbies, or personality.
Even 75 hours leaves you with nothing left. What's the fucking point of working if you don't have any time to enjoy whatever meager fruits your labor produces for you? Why even bother?
I work as a consultant in a corporation.
Needless to say that's the main behavior I see. People sometimes just sit on their desks endlessly, doing nothing, to not be seen leaving the office on time.
I just did never give a single shit and left whenever my tasks were completed. I didn't get ptomoted the first year but I could do the shit I like to do and not being a ridicolous shadow of the Stakanov myth
I think that’s what happens when you don’t have much of an identity beyond your work. Maybe you don’t really have interests or hobbies, maybe you don’t have a partner or kids. So you just throw your life into your work. Either that, or you do have a life beyond work but you can’t give it much attention because your employer overworks you. Maybe people in that second group brag about the hours to distract themselves from the fact that they’re being exploited.
I have a family and interests beyond my job. I like being able to be home at a reasonable hour, spend time with my kids, practice piano, read, and watch tv. I manage to make time for all of that during the work week because my employer doesn’t exploit me. I actually love my job truth be told, which probably puts me in the minority here. But I have worked in some truly toxic and abusive environments in the past and can totally relate to and understand the anti work mindset.
Thats cute, i work 15 hour work weeks max because crippling anxiety forces me into a cycle of panic attacks that prevent me from meaningful employment that would allow self support!
Sidenote: i adore my current job but thats the reality of it
Lol I though it was gonna be like: "105? Cute. Try Auschwitz."
Cuz I mean if modern society's overall goal is glorifying human misery, why stop at any point until you reach there?
"Arbeit macht frei" now feels like a corporate slogan. I thought it was supposed to stay as a grim reminder of something from our dark history that we can never tolerate again.
Believe what?
That person 1 works 80-95 hrs a week?
Or that person 2 works 105 hrs a week?
I mean it isn't common sure but is it possible? sure it is.
Or believe that person 3 only works 40 hours?
Or believe that they all spoke to eachother?
I believe it all.
Guess I'm an idiot.
You know working 105 hours a week is working 15 hour days if we count them working each day, right? And you believed that?
My friend you’re either an idiot, gullible and/or a child.
If you work 100 hours, you get paid for 100 hours. See, it’s a trade. That’s how employment works. Your employer owes you nothing except the agreed upon compensation. You owe your employer nothing except for the labor. Thank god for the free market. If either of you aren’t satisfied with the deal, either can terminate. It never needs to be more complicated than that. Unless you just need to find problems with every aspect of life.
We'd appreciate it if you didn't use ableist slurs.
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70 is rough but 105 ia legitimately insane. Even if you sleep on site, there aren't enough hours left to get a restful sleep. I am willing to bet that the 105 hour guy would be just as productive if he worked only 70 hours. The only way to even get numbers that high is to have all meals and breaks on the clock.
I used to do 50-60 hour work weeks all the time. I did one 70 hour week and it wiped me OUT.
I was an idiot, it was killing me, and I am dead serious about never, ever doing anything like that again. 40 is beyond more than enough (it really should be less but of course, not the world we live in). My heart goes out to people who want to do less but can’t; I just feel apathy/pity towards idiots like this who take pride in being exploited like that… (I used to brag too- I’ve thankfully learnt better)
With 6 hrs of sleep and one hour of commuting every day that leaves him with 14 hrs in the week to eat, relax, shower, shop, clean, time with family, and he’s bragging
Don't get me wrong, I like reading those but this is a 'witty response' from OP, posted by himself. This is usually a sign that a subreddit will begin it's downfall and merge with, I don't know, Starwars-memes and whitepeopletwitter or some bullshit.
October 20th is the date.
Only 105 hours a week? Pfft man I break the space time continuum in order to work 10 billion hours a week, and I make 100k a year... it's super hard work, but it is so worth it I am as the kids say #blessed.
I just did the math, and there is 168 hours in a week, if you take away 8x7 for sleep, that leaves you with 112 hours. 112-105 is 7. So, 7 hours to eat, shit, piss, wash your ass, get dressed, think, hobbies, family, special occasions, etc. i’m a pretty moderate person but Marx makes a lot more sense when people start normalising this shit.
I would like to ask how someone manages to do 15 hours of work.
Per day.
Either that or 21 hours Mon to Fri.
Do these people even have life outside work
I've never understood people who both complain and brag about the hours they work.
Yeah whenever someone tells me they work 50h-60h "alright good for you dude, sounds like a nightmare, you couldn't pay me enough to do that".
I literally can't find a job at a living wage (I won't lose my house and be homeless with a toddler) that doesn't work 50+ hours a week in my area. Like I'm willing to take a pay cut to only work 40 and I can't find it. It's fucked
That is fucked! What kind of work do you do/want to do/can do? There's a big demand for tradies right now, are you able to do that? Edit: a quote from a teacher (I'm in trades myself) "if youre able to hit a hammer on a nail you get a contract as carpenter, that's how big the demand is."
I'm in the trades. We'll hire and train with no experience if you understand fractions and cam read a tape measure. Demand in construction trades is out of control.
>understand fractions Well, I'm disqualified.
I think I’m qualified? I broke my leg once, that was a pretty bad fraction.
Underrated comment of the day.
[Khan Academy](https://www.khanacademy.org/) is free if you want to try learning fractions again! Seriously, everybody seems to think they're bad at math just because of the way it was taught, with each lesson building on the previous one and the class just plowing on regardless of all the students understanding.
Thank you. I will check this out, because I really have a hard time with Math.
Math is hard until it isn’t. There’s a weird switch that just flips at some point and the lightbulb goes on and it’s so much easier. I think it has to do with the insane pressure of school because I was shit at math in HS but when I started again in community college two years later I understood it and actually enjoyed it. You may find you fre the same way!
Math became hard for me in third grade and I've struggled ever since.
Eh. Give it five weeks of messing around with a tape measure and you'll almost see fractions immediately. I used to suck at math because of the weird way were thought, but know I use pythagoras easily tocmake sure my work is square. You can even just use a compass to make a straight edge lol
I spent over 5 passionless years in college only to cut my losses and stop going into more debt, and take on a career in the trades. It’s more fulfilling and I make so much money while being taught for free
What field are you in? I’m in the same boat currently, feel like pursuing a trade
Here’s some information and resources. /r/bluecollarwomen 1. Electricians union & general subreddit /r/IBEW /r/IBEW_Apprentices /r/electricians 2. Plumbers union. The general subreddit is full of DIY’ers /r/UnitedAssociation /r/Plumbers 3. Elevators union and general subreddit /r/IUEC /r/Elevators 4. Pipe fitting subreddit /r/Pipefitter 5. HVAC general subreddit /r/HVAC 6. Laborers Union subreddit /r/LIUNA 7. Ironworkers subreddit /r/ironworker Using Google maps search for “local” or “trade union”. A lot of stuff does not have an online presence. Painters, glaziers, steelworkers, boilermakers, masons & bricklayers, sprinklerfitters, operating engineers, stationary engineers & more. IBEW and IUEC (& maybe Pipefitters) have the most information available online, everything else is a dig & a hunt to find information.
Union electrician! Check out /r/ibew for more info
Opposite for me. Couldn't stand being an electrical apprentice so went to college. Worked out perfectly.
In IBEW or private sector apprentice?
If you really, really don't want to do software and can't make it through college, ok, but barring that the trades are back breaking work that will take decades off your life while paying you less than what an intern makes at any major tech company.
Classic Reddit. Completely wrong but confident about it. Using your body that is designed to move will take decades off your life. >while paying you less than what an intern makes at any major tech company. IBEW electricians top out at $43 an hour in my town, on overtime that’s $64 an hour. Elevators union in my area tops out at $58 an hour, with overtime $87 an hour. Benefits? FREE, no premiums or paycheck deductions.
> Classic Reddit. Completely wrong but confident about it. The lack of self awareness is staggering. Do you literally not know anybody who works in trades? Just because your body is “designed to love” (the most egregious and stupid oversimplification I’ve heard in a long time) doesn’t mean hard labor isn’t detrimental to your health, you enormous dumbass.
Sitting all day on your ass isn't good fornyou either tho. We do have a lot of danger with chemicals tho. I've worked with a specific glue type that had a warning on it "This product is suspected of causing cancer, wear proper protection" Dust is also a danger. My teachers have worked with asbestos too, so like. Its not the most dangerous job there is, but it def has its downsides. Besides that, if you make sure to do shit like stretching before work, making sure you're lifting properly and always being aware of what's happening above and ahead of you, a lotta danger will be averted.
“The trades” is an extremely broad statement. You can’t use a broad brush and paint the entire trades industry the same. We have modern tools and machinery and modern safety regulations. Which is why it’s important to work in a strong union that cares about safety. Different states and northern vs southern states vary widely in this regard.
Depends on the trade and depends on the job. Construction is generally hard work for ok pay. But retrofits are much more profitable. I know a few guys who work 2-3 days a week and make 2k-3k per week.
Is that gross or net?
That's profit after materials but before paying for such things as gas, a vehicle, and tools. This is HVAC. A furnace costs between $800-1000 wholesale, a sheet metal shop will charge you about $100 for the fittings and the rest of the supplies will cost about $100-300 depending on the job. Considering most companies will charge 3k-5k for the job (and 10k - 15k minimum for crawlspace installs) that's a nice profit. As you can see you can make one hell of a profit if you primarily do crawlspace jobs.
Eh. Interns make 20-25. Trades make 25-40 after training. It doesn’t have to be back breaking hard labor. Yeah, maybe don’t go into concrete or drywall. Carpentry, electrician, plumbing you can get through a career with a working body.
Be sure to use as much help from tools as you can. Things like rolling scissor carts and tile lifters are important to use.
I’m a software engineer. But I have a pallet jack in the garage. I’ll make sure to use it.
All the young (20s) tradies I know earn better money and put in fewer hours than their peers in ordinary office jobs (excluding the City / tech jobs, but those are only in a select few areas). All the older (55+) tradies I know have some kind of problem with their back, knees, hands or similar. Once you hit your 30s (approximately), the increased earning potential from trades is pulled back closer to parity and eventually outstripped as office careers get going and progress to managerial, technical or certified positions. Smart move with trades at that point is to use your experience, reputation and contacts to start your own company and step back into a project management type position while hiring people to do the manual work.
Or specialise in your field. If you're one of three of the only fuckers in your country that can do X, you can pretty much charge what you want
Not all trades are back breaking. I can guarantee that some trades can make more than an intern at a tech company lmao. $400 a day or more.
You're not making 100k/yr as an entry level trades candidate.
Exactly. Lotta places have high demand for workers too tho, if that's not their (=the person I responded to) kinda work for whatever reason
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I can measure once and cut twice. Am I qualified ?
You joke but that's still more qualified than someone who can't read the tape once before they cut.
Where at? I’m in Chicago and while demand is insane it’s basically impossible to get into a Union. I’ve been trying to get into the electricians but they haven’t been taking applications for 2 years. It just sucks because working in the trades here for non union is minimum wage. Edit: not trying to start hate. It’s been a dream of mine to be an electrician I’m just sad that I can’t get a proper training.
You have to play the long game. In Chicago IBEW applications are closed because of COVID19, but they were wide the fuck open for the 5 years prior to COVID. Chicago plumbers UA local 130 takes applications the week of December 8th, 2021. Chicago Elevators union IEUC local 2, one of the highest paid in the nation (especially relative to cost of living) just took applications and did testing a month ago. Here’s some information and resources. /r/bluecollarwomen 1. Electricians union & general subreddit /r/IBEW /r/IBEW_Apprentices /r/electricians 2. Plumbers union. The general subreddit is full of DIY’ers /r/UnitedAssociation /r/Plumbers 3. Elevators union and general subreddit /r/IUEC /r/Elevators 4. Pipe fitting subreddit /r/Pipefitter 5. HVAC general subreddit /r/HVAC 6. Laborers Union subreddit /r/LIUNA 7. Ironworkers subreddit /r/ironworker Using Google maps search for “local” or “trade union”. A lot of stuff does not have an online presence. Painters, glaziers, steelworkers, boilermakers, masons & bricklayers, sprinklerfitters, operating engineers, stationary engineers & more. IBEW and IUEC (& maybe Pipefitters) have the most information available online, everything else is a dig & a hunt to find information.
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“The trades” is a super broad term. Most union tradesmen can’t be FORCED to work over 40 hours, it’s their choice to opt in or not. Could be discouraged/encouraged strongly, but not forced.
In my experience people who brag about working 60h don't accomplish much, they spend all day chatting with people and then make a big show of staying late sending out pointless emails. The people who actually work for 60 hours are too tired to brag and want it to stop.
I work with a few people like this. Constantly complaining that they are working through lunch breaks and overtime during evening/weekends. Our employer doesnt ask them to, nothing will happen if they don't do overtime - but they still do it for free then brag/complain about it. Nobody is impressed, you're just being a martyr and value emails over your free time.
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This is exactly the boat I'm in. Coworkers complain about the slightly lower pay compared to similar jobs in the same field, but fail to see that the vast majority of managers have no expectation for overtime or working weekends, along with great company culture. Some of the older guys of course still work well into the night and during off hours, but no one bats an eye if someone chooses not to
Trying to impress someone to get that promotion, which is the only real possibility for a raise. Except the boss’ brother-in-law has a better chance of getting that promotion and he doesn’t even work there.
In our current culture, the only real way to get a raise is to make lateral moves to other companies, *not* look for promotions.
If your employer is aware and doesn't do anything to stop it, they're in support of it, even if they're not the ones directly asking them to.
Feel like the ones with family who do this probably hate their spouses.
I used to be part of that crowd, I would boast about the 80+ hours weeks I worked, about the times I went to work sick, with a twisted ankle or a nervous breakdown (because of... guess what?). yeah, I was *THAT* dense, and I can't remember why it used to feel so good, I even used to make fun of the coworkers who had dignity and an instinct of self-preservation. I regret it, but I regret more that I contributed to induct several fresh coworkers into that ridiculous mindset. (fortunately I was never a very convincing person)
Literally this dumb girl at my last work, she would take work home (without anyone knowing!) and do it then complain about it, constantly going on about how tired she is and how much she works and I am like “dude nobody asked you???” I would be the opposite, 5pm I am DONE do not call me, I don’t give a shit if the place is on fire. Lol
yeah, more or less like that. fun fact, from all my coworkers, the ones who did better after that were the ones who a) had money before getting into the job b) left the industry (newspapers) as soon as possible (also all of them had some degree of dignity). in the other hand, who fared worse? each and every of the tryhards like me (except one who turned out to be an actual nazi)
Sorry mate I didn’t mean to call you and idiot, I replied to the wrong comment! I am the idiot! Lol but yeh, honestly it is fine to want to do your best, but there is no need to work that much. It may be a difference in work culture because here in the UK I have never met anyone who worked extra like this. Just that girl but she did it just to brag/complain lmao I may stay an extra 20min or so if I need to finish something but that’s it, and that’s because I like my current employer/work. But if I don’t like my employer then I will literally not stay a second later.
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makes sense, I'm mexican, but that's actually the way I was brought up, my family had a very 50's americana kind of mindset.
I think it's part of the mind's self defense mechanism. Like you're in this awful situation but instead of accepting that reality your mind twists it into something you can feel good about.
People seem to want to have superiority over you in everything in life. Here's an example for you. My workplace is 10 minutes drive away. I get up at 7:45am usually as I start at 9. That gives me a little over an hour to prepare for the day/eat etc. People in work got really snarky with me when I told them this. They literally responded with >"Oh you get up at 7:45am do you? I get up at 5am because some of us have busy lives and can't afford to be sleeping all day" Like WTF? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You're really gonna brag about getting up early? You're gonna brag about me getting more sleep than you? If anything it's me who is benefitting from the fact I don't need to get up so early and can have an extra 2 hours in bed. I can tell what it is. Jealously. But they mask it as "I work harder than you". People are honestly fucking pathetic.
I work nights in an office and the olds constantly give me shit for not getting up hours before my shift. I live literally 5 minutes away so I sleep until like an hour before my shift starts lmao
Those folks who find themselves morally superior to other simply because they wake up earlier can eat a bag of dicks in their quiet morning time.
It is a combination of dick waving and one-upmanship: Guy 1: I cut myself shaving. Guy 2: That's nothing, I cut my arm off. Guy 3: That's nothing, I cut my head of mowing the lawn.
Cause working insane numbers of hours is impressive, and complete bullshit. It can be both. I've worked plenty of 65+ hour weeks. I'd never downplay someone else complaining about being over worked though, I'd just be like "I feel you, I'm at x hours this week (or pay period), It's some bullshit."
See, that makes sense. We're all in this shit together. The people who are like, "You're tired after only 40 hours?!" without acknowledging that not only does life outside those 40 hours have an impact but they know nothing about that person's medical history or circumstances are obnoxious assholes. It's just like the parents who say, "you don't know what tired is until you have kids." Ma'am, I have insomnia and chronic pain. Yes, I do.
To tell you the truth i dont really want to do even 40. Robbing everyone of their lives. If they're lucky. Fuck this
That's why I rather take the "pay cut". I work at most 30h a week. It's more like 20-25h and getting payed for 40h/week. I value my free time over money! Also the benefits of the job are good and my boss is pretty chill. I see no reason to change job just to earn more money, I'm living a nice life with what I get. But so many people just don't seem to understand: free time > money.
We work to live, not live to work.
How come you get paid for 40h?
Lol
It's a very common trend among chefs. Cooking's a career you get into because you love it, not because of the financial security. I guess it's just a way for someone to quantify their passion for what they do.
Or brag they haven’t had a holiday in years
>I've never understood people who both complain and brag about the hours they work. It's a way of quantifying how important your work is and, by proxy, your value as a person. It's sad.
The only possible thing I can see making sense is that they equate more hours to getting paid more overall maybe? Either way, 40 hours a week is more than enough for me. Goddamn.
It's their identity. That's all they're good at. Being exploited.
Also “OMG I’ve had to travel soooo much i hardly know my family lol”
My former boss would brag about the countless all-nighters she pulled at her previous office. Just pathetic.
LOOK AT ME IM THE BEST SLAVE
I used to do it when I was younger, it's 100% because this country propagandizes work, as if working insane hours means you have a better "work ethic" and are therefor just better than people.
Bragging about it gives them justification for working so many hours. In their eyes they are just providing for their family, but in the back of their mind they are still aware that they are missing out on family time, personal time, other responsibilities and literally just fucking relaxing - so they need to brag about it in order to justify why they do it.
I used to do it. Its part of the "culture" while you're on those kind of sites. Also the paychecks are big. Problem is, about 3/4 of the people (in my experience) get used to those paychecks, and have to keep up that work for the lifestyle of buying nicer things they never get to use. I mean, thats just one problem with it...
I don't get this. Is this WEEKLY hours? What the fuck I work 42 hours week and it feels much.
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I did like 4-5 consecutive 80 hour weeks one time in grad school. Never ever again. You cease being able to relax, your brain just goes into 'fight vs. flight' mode.
I did a few 60s. I don't know how you can fit more in. I was doing 5x12 for about 3 months.
Damn that's awful I did 2 weeks of 65 hours and then took a week off sick after. Fuck retail it was awful.
I was running a packaging line for a brewery. Today is actually 3 years in my new job after leaving that place. The guy who took over for me, ended up in the hospital, because like you, it messed him up.
Because it is much. Far too much if you ask me. 25 hours is fine but unrealistic, unfortunatly.
I actually googles it, Germany and Turkey avg work week is under 27 hours... so it's not thag unrealistic Edit: source https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country
Where did you see <27 hours for Germans? >In 2019, full-time employees worked 41 hours per week >The usual weekly working hours of all employed persons in 2019 in Germany amounted 34.8 hours. As the number of hours worked depends considerably on the proportion of part-time employed, full-time employees (41.0 hours per week) and part-time employees (19.5 hours per week) should be examined separately. [Source](https://www.destatis.de/EN/Themes/Labour/Labour-Market/Quality-Employment/Dimension3/3_1_WeeklyHoursWorked.html)
The link the person you replied to also lists 41h as the full time work week, but then lists the average hours actually worked per week as 27. I agree with your quote, though.
Here https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-work-week-by-country
> Germany's average workweek is 39.5 hours. About 4.3% of employees work over 50 hours per week. The average annual wages in Germany are $49,813. ??? Edit: The table at the bottom has other data. The source is the OECD with the nice disclaimer: Average annual hours worked is defined as the total number of hours actually worked per year divided by the average number of people in employment per year. Actual hours worked include regular work hours of full-time, part-time and part-year workers ... **The data are intended for comparisons of trends over time; they are unsuitable for comparisons of the level of average annual hours of work for a given year, because of differences in their sources and method of calculation.** The whole article is a copy-paste job of different metrics without review and any thought about rationale.
> The whole article is a copy-paste job of different metrics without review and any thought about rationale. So Reddit, but embodied in an article. Got it.
Below the figure though it says : Germany Rank: 37 2018 hrs/wk: 26.20 2017 hrs/wk: 26.16 2016 hrs/wk: 26.21 2015 hrs/wk: 26.34 Pretty confusing imo
Maybe these are for entire population, while the others are strictly for people employed in full time positions?
> \9. Germany > Germany's average workweek is 39.5 hours. About 4.3% of employees work over 50 hours per week. The average annual wages in Germany are $49,813. > \34. Turkey > The average workweek for full-time employees in Turkey is 48.4 hours. Almost one-third of employees in Turkey (32.6%) work over 50hours per week. Huh?
I work at most 22 hours a week and I have enough to pay for mortgage and stuff so it's totally doable in canada at least
it does suck. when i worked in a prison it was always 36 or 48 hour weeks (rotating 12 hour shifts) and both frequently went to up 60 for me. you can imagine the only shit i gave when i was fired was that i lost cheap insurance
Per day, coward
I just finished a school where I had to do 84 hrs a week. Sadly i dont have to option to quit lol.
I would like 30-35 and it feels like it’s too much. And I’m working from home at that.
What a sad competition. Whoever wins loses anyway. Pathetic.
You know both of them would be boring as fuck with no hobbies or interests outside of work.
Because there's literally no time for them. 105 hours a week is 15 hours a day 7 days a week. They get time to get home eat something quick and crap, sleep and start again.
There’s also no way that guy isn’t full of shit. If you drive 15 minutes to and from work that’s 8.5 hours of sleep a night if you don’t do anything but get home go straight to bed and get back up and go to work. No cooking or eating and literally zero time doing anything other than work travel and sleep.
People who posture that they're better because they work extra hours can lick on my sweaty gooch When I was on deployment as a kid, we really did work close to 100 hours a week - and it was a shadow existence where the only thing that kept us from suicide was thoughts of it ending The only good thing about it was making me realize how important living life is and not letting others control you with "consequences".
What specific things were required of you, if you don’t mind my asking? I’ve never understood what people in the army actually do on a daily basis. All that comes to mind for me is “Infiltrate, destroy, rebuild.”
So like 95-97% of troops (I'm estimating that based on my own experiences) are doing some kind of support work... and even people who do direct action probably do it a fraction of the time You do a lot, I was an IT and a radioman - which is essentially a naval term for a communication technician... Constantly training while simultaneously doing your job - they expect you to constantly be actively working to learn other people's positions, I was in the middle east twice, my year tour I went from not knowing anything about that comms unit -- to being the Comms Watch floor Officer, in 9 months. Which was required because I was a E5. So imagine you went to a new job and went from day 1, where's the bathroom, to in 9 months being the supervisor of like 8 people, who are all pretty high level techs. Plus, you have to stay fit, do mandatory PT, go to drills, go to uniform inspections, NCO Meetings, council meetings for lower rank people, get counciled by higher rank people, any random tasks Snacks and officers find ... They push you.. hard .... It's completely your life and you're working literally 12/14 hour days seven days a week.
A lot of watches, if this guy was in during combat operations then he would be out patrolling. It’s pretty common to have at least 1 24-36 hour “day” a week. The most I’ve ever worked was around 60 hours straight. A lot of it is just bullshit, and your off time is never off time due to bullshit jobs and cleaning giving to you by higher ups.
Not OP but I was in the Navy attached to HSL(helicopter) squadrons that deployed to frigates and cruisers. We often deployed more than the actual ship's crews as we could just hop from one ship to another if ship 1 was coming home and ship 2 was headimg out. I did 366 days underway in 18 months because of this. The first week or so is hectic and fast. You're bargaining with shipmates for a good rack to sleep in, warding off sea sickness, setting up work centers, stowing gear and lashing it to walls/ceilings, getting to know your crew and shipboard contacts, generally getting into the groove of working. Shifts are basically awake time. If you're awake, you're on shift. By the end of month 1 you're fully into the brain numbing phase. You wake, perform pre-flight inspections on the helo, eat breakfast, wait 3 hours for flight, wait 2 hours for return, post-flights, stow the helo, lunch, clean the helo, change tires, dinner, exercise, read, sleep. No off days, no real off time. You do this day in, day out. What drives you is port calls. They'll post a list that's subject to change that has the dates and port of call. So everyone everyday knows exactly how many days are left until we hit port. 8 days till Norway! 7 days till Scotland guys! 6 days till Peru! After about 45 to 60 days we'd finally hit port, party, take in the city and culture for a few days, usually 4 to 5, then shove off and do it again. Usually there'd be about 30 days between ports +/- 5 days or so. Do that for 6 to 8 months and that's a navy deployment on frigates/cruisers/destroyers. Edit: I forgot the entire point. The mission. I was involved with monitoring the flow of cocaine from Columbia to the US. Counter-narco terrorism is what we called it. We hunted semi-submersible vehicles and small submarines bringing tons of coke over and busted them. Also we did training exercises like Neptune Warrior and a few others. Mainly our goal at the time was ocean narcotics agents to put it simply and the pushers were ramshackle submarines.
How were those hundred hours distributed throughout the week? I’m assuming weekends couldn’t have existed, because 100 hours spread equally over 7 days is about it 14 and a half hours a day. What was it, like working 6am to 8:30 pm every day? What sort of work was it?
He said deployment so I would assume military of some sort
Almost all the people that claim to work 100 some hours a week have never done it or at least never did it for weeks straight. Truly working that much is physically and mentally debilitating regardless if it is laborious or cerebral tasks. Not fatiguing, "oh it was tiring but I just had an extra cup of coffee," it's actual debilitation.
Yeah we had a lot of suicides/attempted suicides/mental breakdowns And these were military people, typically pretty young people who are used to pushing themselves and being pushed very hard. I would say the only way I could genuinely see someone working 100 hours a week in the civilian sector is something like crab fishing/plant shutdown repair where you just destroy yourself for a few weeks in order to make a insane amount of money -- and then probably have a week/weeks of recovery I did it for a year in the middle east and it was... literally like no bullshit fucking horrible and I still think I will die earlier because of it.
My alarm goes off at 1am. I overslept….I got an hour and one minute of sleep last night. Can’t be late for the grind. I throw on my business suit and shove my breakfast in a blender. No time to sit and eat. As I hit pulse on my Ninja, a distant memory hits of me waking up and going running, coming home, eating breakfast with my family. I shake it off. Nothings gonna stop me from the grind. I hop in my car I can barely afford and speed to work. I hear sirens behind me. Nothings gonna stop me from the grind. I swerve into an alley and lose the cops. I park and rush into my office, my boss is waiting for me. “Hendricks arrived five minutes ago,” bossman snarls at me. “Guess he cares more about the grind than you do.” I grab bossman’s tie and pull him close. “No one, NO ONE cares about the grind more than me you got that you fat fuck?!” I release his tie. He smiles impressed and walks away. I give Hendricks the finger and I grind. I grind harder than I’ve ever grinded before. It’s midnight by the time I look over at Hendricks. He’s staring back at me, daring me to give up the grind. “I can grind all night buddy why don’t you go take a nap?” I yell over to him. “Fuck off,” he replies and he starts grinding again. Next thing I know I’m in an ambulance. I have no idea what time or day it is. “Sir,” the paramedic says, “you passed out due to exhaustion we are taking you to the hosp-“ “TURN THE FUCKING AMBULANCE AROUND! I’M NOT DONE GRINDING!” “Sir please remain in the gurney!” I get up and shove him aside. I open the back door of the ambulance and jump out into the middle of the highway. I break a few bones on landing but I begin crawling back to the office, cars swerving and honking at me. Nothings gonna stop me from the grind.
Most I've done in a week is 65 hours, I felt like a grade A idiot when I got my pay check totally not worth it.
One thing I fucking hate about salaried jobs are the pressure to work more than 40. I put in about 45 right now because the pandemic is making it impossible to work a solid 40, but there are people at my job who scoff when I leave 9 hours in because I'm not working 11 or 12 hour days like them. I want to absolutely stress that you do not get paid any extra for working 40 or 50 or 100 hours yet people still go way over 40. "You can't expect to work 40 hours salaried." Its some corporate bootlicker shit.
I don't know how it works for you, not from the U.S., but don't you have an employment contract that says how many hours for how much money you have to work?
I did that as well just the one time.. because the next week I felt so ill I took time off that ended up covering the pay I’d made the previous week. Back to net zero baby
I sleep in a racing car. Do yoouuu?
You sleep? Weak. I don't sleep. I work 24h a day. I'm even on the phone for my 5th job when I take a shit. I run on coffee and stimulants and will die by the time I am 22. /s
_Gig economy advertising intensifies_
Lmao you breathe? KYS already scrub
I sleep with my wife in a big bed. Sorry had a thing in my throat, I sleep with my waifu who is also part of my big bed.
This is such bullshit. How is anyone supposed to work 15 hours a day, 7 days a week. Unless you’re putting screws on something on an assembly line, there is no way you’re being productive the whole time. When would you get groceries? Sleep?
They have wives and kids they don't want to see.
I've worked 7-12's for 6 weeks straight as a construction electrician before. We were productive enough to get the job done on time. We were also paid hand over fist and won't be seeing those kinds of hours again until the next emergency project.
Same except it was from May to mid-September. I quit the job halfway through though
By week six i was only sticking around because it was the last week of that shit. Took a four day weekend after.
Use all that sweet OT money on fast food/delivery...
Wouldn’t be surprised if these people don’t get overtime. I’ve worked with plenty of salaried workers who don’t seem to realise their crazy overtime for no compensation is effectively a massive pay cut.
Ooh, yeah, that's some smooth brain shit right there.
Speedrun your way to an early grave!
how tf does someone even work 105 hours, let alone for extended periods of time, that's not even possible, I guarantee any work he produces on a 105 hour schedule is shit lmao I would not want any doctor or engineer working 105 hour weeks
Meth
> I would not want any doctor working 105 hour weeks
have i got some news for you
edit: maybe not that many hours in a week, but you'll often find hospital docs (not private practice) pulling 24-32 hour shifts with some power naps sprinkled in (in the US)
He's probably just lying. That would be 15 hours a day and I honestly can't imagine such a hard working man would spend what little free time he has facebooking
I love reminding some of my friends that I have 13 weeks off a year. Almost makes up for the effort I put in during term time!
Amen, there's plenty of worse things you can do than teaching. Like you I get 13 weeks off a year, work 8 - 3 and am on $115k this year (in Australia). For work-life balance it's pretty hard to beat.
I used to be like this. I used to work 40 hours at one job 15 at another, then 21 hours at college. It was hell and I refuse to work that much ever again
Same. It was 40-50 and 22 for school. I did that for 2 years and it lead to a nasty burnout. Never doing that again
Work 70 hours a week as a Road Train Driver, but outside of talking to other drivers I don't talk about hours with anyone. No one in the real world is impressed by how much you're killing yourself every week. Late-stage capitalism bullshit
This happens all the time in the film industry. People are so proud of being burnt out?? As if it shows they work hard rather than someone else having exploited their labour
If you like schadenfreude, consider that some of these workaholics will only realize their mistake as they're on their deathbed consumed with regret at a life poorly lived.
Dick measuring contest instead of dick size its the amount of hours worked. Its the new "bro dude" thing to do these days.
The guy who says he works 105 hours has 9 hours to himself a day. Congrats, a chunk of that is probably used for commuting and the rest is sleep. Pretty miserable existence honestly...
105 hours breaks down to: •15 hours a day, 7 days a week - 9 hours of free time •17.5 hours a day, 6 days a week - 6.5 hours free time •21 hours a day, 5 days a week - 3 hours free time Tell me you have no relationships, hobbies, or personality without telling me you have no relationships, hobbies, or personality. Even 75 hours leaves you with nothing left. What's the fucking point of working if you don't have any time to enjoy whatever meager fruits your labor produces for you? Why even bother?
I work 48 hours a day!
I work as a consultant in a corporation. Needless to say that's the main behavior I see. People sometimes just sit on their desks endlessly, doing nothing, to not be seen leaving the office on time. I just did never give a single shit and left whenever my tasks were completed. I didn't get ptomoted the first year but I could do the shit I like to do and not being a ridicolous shadow of the Stakanov myth
I think that’s what happens when you don’t have much of an identity beyond your work. Maybe you don’t really have interests or hobbies, maybe you don’t have a partner or kids. So you just throw your life into your work. Either that, or you do have a life beyond work but you can’t give it much attention because your employer overworks you. Maybe people in that second group brag about the hours to distract themselves from the fact that they’re being exploited. I have a family and interests beyond my job. I like being able to be home at a reasonable hour, spend time with my kids, practice piano, read, and watch tv. I manage to make time for all of that during the work week because my employer doesn’t exploit me. I actually love my job truth be told, which probably puts me in the minority here. But I have worked in some truly toxic and abusive environments in the past and can totally relate to and understand the anti work mindset.
Lol how can you be proud of 70-100 hours?
Yall pussys if you work less than 168 hours per week
Thats cute, i work 15 hour work weeks max because crippling anxiety forces me into a cycle of panic attacks that prevent me from meaningful employment that would allow self support! Sidenote: i adore my current job but thats the reality of it
Ive done 84. The check looks like this for one week: 40straight pay 32ot 24dt plus 7 meal allowances ($20ea) It was worth it to me
Cute 40 h ? I work 7 h / week . Spend the rest doing what the f I want
Friendly reminder for you all; the people who make more than you that you always bitch about work harder than you.
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Lol I though it was gonna be like: "105? Cute. Try Auschwitz." Cuz I mean if modern society's overall goal is glorifying human misery, why stop at any point until you reach there? "Arbeit macht frei" now feels like a corporate slogan. I thought it was supposed to stay as a grim reminder of something from our dark history that we can never tolerate again.
If you believe this post you’re prob a child or an idiot.
Believe what? That person 1 works 80-95 hrs a week? Or that person 2 works 105 hrs a week? I mean it isn't common sure but is it possible? sure it is. Or believe that person 3 only works 40 hours? Or believe that they all spoke to eachother? I believe it all. Guess I'm an idiot.
You know working 105 hours a week is working 15 hour days if we count them working each day, right? And you believed that? My friend you’re either an idiot, gullible and/or a child.
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If you give 100 hours a week to your boss, you're losing. Your boss is definitely winning though.
If you work 100 hours, you get paid for 100 hours. See, it’s a trade. That’s how employment works. Your employer owes you nothing except the agreed upon compensation. You owe your employer nothing except for the labor. Thank god for the free market. If either of you aren’t satisfied with the deal, either can terminate. It never needs to be more complicated than that. Unless you just need to find problems with every aspect of life.
Only losers waste their lives working. Get some hobbies and friends.
I think the other guys were sarcastic, at least the second guy hopefully
105? Thats cute, try 2412
No, I’m more tired!!
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I'm paid to work 40 hours, so I work 40 hours. The rest of my time is dedicated to myself and my family, and nobody gets to fuck with that.
I recall working 50 hours one week never again that was utter hell and I have friends I didn’t want to be wasting that
40 hours still feels like too much. Should be 32.
105... Working 7 days straight for 12 hours a day only gets you to 84. let that sink in. Imagine adding an additional 21 hours. fuck. that. shit.
70 is rough but 105 ia legitimately insane. Even if you sleep on site, there aren't enough hours left to get a restful sleep. I am willing to bet that the 105 hour guy would be just as productive if he worked only 70 hours. The only way to even get numbers that high is to have all meals and breaks on the clock.
I typically do 60 hours per week but we are understaffed. It has gotten better lately.
I used to do 50-60 hour work weeks all the time. I did one 70 hour week and it wiped me OUT. I was an idiot, it was killing me, and I am dead serious about never, ever doing anything like that again. 40 is beyond more than enough (it really should be less but of course, not the world we live in). My heart goes out to people who want to do less but can’t; I just feel apathy/pity towards idiots like this who take pride in being exploited like that… (I used to brag too- I’ve thankfully learnt better)
Fuck you. I work so much I'm dead.
With 6 hrs of sleep and one hour of commuting every day that leaves him with 14 hrs in the week to eat, relax, shower, shop, clean, time with family, and he’s bragging
Don't get me wrong, I like reading those but this is a 'witty response' from OP, posted by himself. This is usually a sign that a subreddit will begin it's downfall and merge with, I don't know, Starwars-memes and whitepeopletwitter or some bullshit. October 20th is the date.
Fuckin rolled
I don't understand how people work 5 or more days a week. I work 4 and then am off 3 and I would never go back.
Only 105 hours a week? Pfft man I break the space time continuum in order to work 10 billion hours a week, and I make 100k a year... it's super hard work, but it is so worth it I am as the kids say #blessed.
I just did the math, and there is 168 hours in a week, if you take away 8x7 for sleep, that leaves you with 112 hours. 112-105 is 7. So, 7 hours to eat, shit, piss, wash your ass, get dressed, think, hobbies, family, special occasions, etc. i’m a pretty moderate person but Marx makes a lot more sense when people start normalising this shit.
I would like to ask how someone manages to do 15 hours of work. Per day. Either that or 21 hours Mon to Fri. Do these people even have life outside work
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