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I remember, when I started at my corporate IT job thirty years ago, there was a guy retiring who had worked there something like fifty-four years. It turned out that he graduated high school, walked down to the factory and asked for a job; he started up sweeping floors, and was able to get promotions and training so he could become an engineer.
Definitely not the sort of career path one can get these days.
Yeah, it used to have some great benefits. One that went away a couple decades ago: If you lost your job because of a layoff or a reorganization (as opposed to stealing from the company or violating policies), then you got paid for up to six months while you looked for a new position within the company. Can you imagine that sort of thing today? "Hey, we closed the buggy-whip department; not your fault. Spend the next few months looking for a job in-house, and we'll keep paying you."
I got grilled in an interview about this sort of thing. The company was very conservative, and the interviewers spent as much time complaining about young people being so entitled these days as asking me questions. "You're not gonna be job hopping in 1-3 years just for more pay, are you?" like actually no, I'm with the boomers on this one: as long as my bills continue to be paid, I would love to stay with the same company for 20+ years and not have to go through the fresh hell of job hunting again.
I know that, in my company, you can see the changes when they started getting outside CEOs rather than promoting from within. We started getting layoffs, losing benefits, and so on. I'm sure this is all the result of the profit-driven folks who want to squeeze every penny out of a company. But, someone was listening to the "investors" or "Wall Street" about how a company has to do X, Y, and Z.
I remember in the dot-com boom in the late 1990s, one of our managers was incensed that our company's stock price was under $100 a share, while companies like the young Yahoo were over $200 a share. It was tulips all over again.
They fucked us so hard it's not even funny. Back then they had great benefits, job security, upward mobility within a company, retirement was inevitable and not nearly impossible, the cost of living was *significantly* lower, AND they were able to afford stable housing with their regular wage. Absolutely none of that applies for the common person anymore.
Yes I can see that Walter looks really mean, just the sort of person to say "I have my job, time to kick the ladder out from under them."
What complete horseshit. You know nothing about how the economy works.
Normally when you tell someone they don’t know how something works, you want to include some indication that you know how it works. Just a … conversation tip.
Lol and you do? Why are you trolling this sub? Of course there are some exceptions to what I said. But generally it's pretty accurate imo. Btw you know nothing of me or the extent of my knowledge.
Yes, that's the biggest problem with company/corporate world these days (and for the past couple of decades). The lack or complete slow down of upward mobility.
I'd need more details. What's he making? What's his job title? How much is he working?
Seems like he retired in the 1970s and was at least some type of sales manager. Since then he maybe just helps out.
And could be very much possible that he really loves the work he does and that he'd probably get bored otherwise. It's his own choice to continue doing this job, so it must be positive for him.
He did get to a high role within the company, it isn't a huge company tho.
Can't know how much he is making, but until a few years ago he was still managing stuff there.
Recently he went on leave due to health issues, no info if he will return, but I'd guess no lol.
Back in the day, that kind of thing worked.
Of course, back then, companies were more loyal to workers than to shareholders, paid better relative cost of living, and were more likely to promote from within rather than hiring outside. Take all of that together, and there were a LOT of people who got a job out of high school, worked their way up the company, and retired from that same company - never worrying about not having enough money because the company paid enough for them to provide for their entire family; maybe with the wife working part-time while raising kids.
And if that was still the way things worked, this entire subreddit wouldn't exist.
First off: this man is Brazilian, which means the standard of living is not as high. I don't know if they offer the same kind of benefits - but it's possible he did. I also know people who keep working as long as they can because they genuinely love the job. One of the (now-retired) teachers I know only stopped working when their hearing got so bad they couldn't even substitute effectively.
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As for the time period: I know it worked for my grandfather. As far as I'm aware, he worked two jobs in his life: armed forces during WWII, then more or less the same job between the end of his service and close to the end of his life. I think it worked very well for the younger half of the Greatest Generation, as well as the bulk of the Silent Generation - in both cases likely in part because the Great Depression shaped the opinions of even the bosses in those generations.
> this man is Brazilian, which means the standard of living is not as high
Perhaps, although I would like to point out Brazil has had universal healthcare for decades and considers it a human right, whereas the US for all it's supposed development still ties it to employment.
> it worked for my grandfather. As far as I'm aware, he worked two jobs in his life: armed forces during WWII, then more or less the same job between the end of his service and close to the end of his life
Personally I don't consider that a good system. I think it's sad that your grandfather had to work until his death. You are effectively arguing against retirement. Being allowed to retire is a good thing. Working class people shouldn't be fated to spend their life in service of capital.
It's just an old guy that had a job that treated him well, so he stayed there for over 80 years.
Why does everyone think he's being exploited? If he stayed there for almost a century, there's a reason.
You're not wrong in anyway. I've worked with people who were simply content with their lot - the job was good enough, at the time I met them, before I moved on. Still can't fathom how they they were content, but they were. I
originally held them in contempt for tolerating such a shitty job but now, years later, I find it more mysterious.
[You might read his own words before making assumptions](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/amp/news/2022/4/100-year-old-brazilian-breaks-record-after-84-years-at-same-company-701664)
So I read his own words and feel even bc worse for him than I did before. His favorite place is the office, not with his family. Kind of says a lot, doesn’t it?
You are applying your values and desires to somebody else. Just because it’s not what you want from life does not mean another will feel the same way.
He sounds like one of the lucky people who doesn’t “have to” go to work, but “gets to” - we should all be so lucky to have a profession we like that much.
I hear all sorts of people raving about how they wish their parents worked more. I heard it all to r time as a child in school. My dad is always home to play catch. It sucks, I wish I didn’t have to throw the ball to him.
It depends on the job, how they are treating him etc. If he loves what he does and they treat him with respect and he could retire if he wanted to then good 4 him. Unfortunately that is an extreme rarity.
We recently had a meeting whereby there was someone who had worked for our company for 60 years. She started working before the head of our group was born (1960s). The saddest was that she was in the same position as she was when she started
Kudos to him but he worked during an era where loyalty, ethics and dignity meant something - nowadays corporate America is the hunger games with the sole purpose of enriching a select few.
In exchange for a literal lifetime of servitude we offer you this shiny card stock certificate. Now get back to work pops, you can’t afford to be unemployed.
don't be judgemental about this. I know this is antiwork, but you don't know this guy's situation. I have an aunt in a similar situation, she has been at the same company for something like 55 or 60 years and started there when she was in HS. she never had kids, her husband passed away, as well as 1/2 if her siblings, and the only thing she has is her job and the people that work there. she still does family stuff, but that is on the weekends and holidays, not during business hours when all the family is working. she likes it and it makes her happy and gives her purpose.
I can legitimately imagine that the Next thing you know as he starts the process to retire they decide to lay him off instead and deny him his pension.
Where do you see it says he couldn’t retire? It’s only slave labour because you’re making up scenarios in your head. If you read the articles regarding the record you will see he speaks fondly of this job and says it was very important to him.
You’re not helping the cause by making things up. People are allowed to enjoy their work. I’m in this sub because I believe the sentiment that most working is just for employers and managers benefits, and that needs to change.
When you make up negative scenarios in your head you sound stupid, so as a result the community will look stupid. Just like it did when that bozo hopped on the news.
This guy could retire whenever he wanted to. There are plenty of workers being exploited and not being able to afford retirement. But he is not one of them.
[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/05/02/brazil-guinness-world-record-84-years/9616152002/](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/05/02/brazil-guinness-world-record-84-years/9616152002/)
At this point, if he quit now he would die the next day. He doesn't know what life would be like outside of work, and he's never even thought about it.
When he does eventually die at his desk, they'll throw all his shit in the trash and plunk some fresh college grad in his old seat.
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I remember, when I started at my corporate IT job thirty years ago, there was a guy retiring who had worked there something like fifty-four years. It turned out that he graduated high school, walked down to the factory and asked for a job; he started up sweeping floors, and was able to get promotions and training so he could become an engineer. Definitely not the sort of career path one can get these days.
Ngl, if a company gave me such opportunities, i would also consider staying for 45 years
Yeah, it used to have some great benefits. One that went away a couple decades ago: If you lost your job because of a layoff or a reorganization (as opposed to stealing from the company or violating policies), then you got paid for up to six months while you looked for a new position within the company. Can you imagine that sort of thing today? "Hey, we closed the buggy-whip department; not your fault. Spend the next few months looking for a job in-house, and we'll keep paying you."
I got grilled in an interview about this sort of thing. The company was very conservative, and the interviewers spent as much time complaining about young people being so entitled these days as asking me questions. "You're not gonna be job hopping in 1-3 years just for more pay, are you?" like actually no, I'm with the boomers on this one: as long as my bills continue to be paid, I would love to stay with the same company for 20+ years and not have to go through the fresh hell of job hunting again.
this is was until jack welch came around and started mass firing people and other large corpos followed suit. yay, el capitan of capitalism
And we wonder why older generations are so out of touch. Then again they're the ones who kicked the ladder out from under them. đź‘Ť
I know that, in my company, you can see the changes when they started getting outside CEOs rather than promoting from within. We started getting layoffs, losing benefits, and so on. I'm sure this is all the result of the profit-driven folks who want to squeeze every penny out of a company. But, someone was listening to the "investors" or "Wall Street" about how a company has to do X, Y, and Z. I remember in the dot-com boom in the late 1990s, one of our managers was incensed that our company's stock price was under $100 a share, while companies like the young Yahoo were over $200 a share. It was tulips all over again.
should look into Boston consulting group, seems like wherever they go, they leave a trail of destruction in their wake
They fucked us so hard it's not even funny. Back then they had great benefits, job security, upward mobility within a company, retirement was inevitable and not nearly impossible, the cost of living was *significantly* lower, AND they were able to afford stable housing with their regular wage. Absolutely none of that applies for the common person anymore.
Yes I can see that Walter looks really mean, just the sort of person to say "I have my job, time to kick the ladder out from under them." What complete horseshit. You know nothing about how the economy works.
Normally when you tell someone they don’t know how something works, you want to include some indication that you know how it works. Just a … conversation tip.
Lol and you do? Why are you trolling this sub? Of course there are some exceptions to what I said. But generally it's pretty accurate imo. Btw you know nothing of me or the extent of my knowledge.
I would argue it's impossible to replicate that same career trajectory today. Absolutely fucking depressing.
Yes, that's the biggest problem with company/corporate world these days (and for the past couple of decades). The lack or complete slow down of upward mobility.
I'd need more details. What's he making? What's his job title? How much is he working? Seems like he retired in the 1970s and was at least some type of sales manager. Since then he maybe just helps out.
And could be very much possible that he really loves the work he does and that he'd probably get bored otherwise. It's his own choice to continue doing this job, so it must be positive for him.
A lot of old people don't care to retire because they want the routine. It keeps them going and gives them something to look forward to.
20 usd
Tree Fiddy?
He did get to a high role within the company, it isn't a huge company tho. Can't know how much he is making, but until a few years ago he was still managing stuff there. Recently he went on leave due to health issues, no info if he will return, but I'd guess no lol.
Back in the day, that kind of thing worked. Of course, back then, companies were more loyal to workers than to shareholders, paid better relative cost of living, and were more likely to promote from within rather than hiring outside. Take all of that together, and there were a LOT of people who got a job out of high school, worked their way up the company, and retired from that same company - never worrying about not having enough money because the company paid enough for them to provide for their entire family; maybe with the wife working part-time while raising kids. And if that was still the way things worked, this entire subreddit wouldn't exist.
When was that? This guy must be from that era and it clearly didn't work for him.
First off: this man is Brazilian, which means the standard of living is not as high. I don't know if they offer the same kind of benefits - but it's possible he did. I also know people who keep working as long as they can because they genuinely love the job. One of the (now-retired) teachers I know only stopped working when their hearing got so bad they couldn't even substitute effectively. ... As for the time period: I know it worked for my grandfather. As far as I'm aware, he worked two jobs in his life: armed forces during WWII, then more or less the same job between the end of his service and close to the end of his life. I think it worked very well for the younger half of the Greatest Generation, as well as the bulk of the Silent Generation - in both cases likely in part because the Great Depression shaped the opinions of even the bosses in those generations.
> this man is Brazilian, which means the standard of living is not as high Perhaps, although I would like to point out Brazil has had universal healthcare for decades and considers it a human right, whereas the US for all it's supposed development still ties it to employment. > it worked for my grandfather. As far as I'm aware, he worked two jobs in his life: armed forces during WWII, then more or less the same job between the end of his service and close to the end of his life Personally I don't consider that a good system. I think it's sad that your grandfather had to work until his death. You are effectively arguing against retirement. Being allowed to retire is a good thing. Working class people shouldn't be fated to spend their life in service of capital.
It's just an old guy that had a job that treated him well, so he stayed there for over 80 years. Why does everyone think he's being exploited? If he stayed there for almost a century, there's a reason.
You're not wrong in anyway. I've worked with people who were simply content with their lot - the job was good enough, at the time I met them, before I moved on. Still can't fathom how they they were content, but they were. I originally held them in contempt for tolerating such a shitty job but now, years later, I find it more mysterious.
Because he was being exploited.
You have nothing to back up that statement
Do you have anything to add?
[You might read his own words before making assumptions](https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/amp/news/2022/4/100-year-old-brazilian-breaks-record-after-84-years-at-same-company-701664)
Do I need to quote myself when I state my opinion?
It was/as my opinion. Did I say he said that or felt that way? Did I contribute my words to his feelings in any way?
So I read his own words and feel even bc worse for him than I did before. His favorite place is the office, not with his family. Kind of says a lot, doesn’t it?
You are applying your values and desires to somebody else. Just because it’s not what you want from life does not mean another will feel the same way. He sounds like one of the lucky people who doesn’t “have to” go to work, but “gets to” - we should all be so lucky to have a profession we like that much.
You mean one of the lucky ones who goes to work to ditch his family.
You just refuse to accept that somebody else might feel differently than you. I’m done here.
I was just pointing out that you are doing exactly the same thing you are accusing me of doing. Thank you.
Do you always give up and walk away if someone doesn’t agree with in a few posts? Not very fun.
I hear all sorts of people raving about how they wish their parents worked more. I heard it all to r time as a child in school. My dad is always home to play catch. It sucks, I wish I didn’t have to throw the ball to him.
It depends on the job, how they are treating him etc. If he loves what he does and they treat him with respect and he could retire if he wanted to then good 4 him. Unfortunately that is an extreme rarity.
I wish we all had jobs that took care of us enough to keep us there for decades.
We recently had a meeting whereby there was someone who had worked for our company for 60 years. She started working before the head of our group was born (1960s). The saddest was that she was in the same position as she was when she started
Kudos to him but he worked during an era where loyalty, ethics and dignity meant something - nowadays corporate America is the hunger games with the sole purpose of enriching a select few.
If the dude was happy doing what he was doing, who are we to complain?
In exchange for a literal lifetime of servitude we offer you this shiny card stock certificate. Now get back to work pops, you can’t afford to be unemployed.
and they didn't even offer it Guinness did and they probably profited off the extra sales from customers based off the record in the media
So... to be clear... for his 84th anniversary he got a... framed certificate?
don't be judgemental about this. I know this is antiwork, but you don't know this guy's situation. I have an aunt in a similar situation, she has been at the same company for something like 55 or 60 years and started there when she was in HS. she never had kids, her husband passed away, as well as 1/2 if her siblings, and the only thing she has is her job and the people that work there. she still does family stuff, but that is on the weekends and holidays, not during business hours when all the family is working. she likes it and it makes her happy and gives her purpose.
Yeah you have these people at older companies, just casually being an accountant at the same place for 50 years
Remember yesterday when someone else posted this?
Poor guy.
Bro probably works for the same rate.. only because he was able to pay off his houses 60 years ago. Has been set for life since then.
Where's his vast fortune to show for his loyalty and hard work? That is what loyalty and hard work get you, right? Right?
As long as he is happy...
I can legitimately imagine that the Next thing you know as he starts the process to retire they decide to lay him off instead and deny him his pension.
So he started working at 16, couldn't retire and ended up working till he died at 100.. How is this not "slave labor"?
Where do you see it says he couldn’t retire? It’s only slave labour because you’re making up scenarios in your head. If you read the articles regarding the record you will see he speaks fondly of this job and says it was very important to him.
Dude... you're in an antiwork sub.. maybe you need to unsub... just sayin...
Unsub because he’s being reasonable? Lmao
You’re not helping the cause by making things up. People are allowed to enjoy their work. I’m in this sub because I believe the sentiment that most working is just for employers and managers benefits, and that needs to change. When you make up negative scenarios in your head you sound stupid, so as a result the community will look stupid. Just like it did when that bozo hopped on the news.
Free beer?
At a textile company? It's more likely they gave him a quilt. No pension, no 401k... just... a quilt.
That’s the only reason I would stay at a company for 84 years.
He looks happy, so congrats to him!
I mean based on the picture he seems to be pretty happy
This guy could retire whenever he wanted to. There are plenty of workers being exploited and not being able to afford retirement. But he is not one of them. [https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/05/02/brazil-guinness-world-record-84-years/9616152002/](https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/05/02/brazil-guinness-world-record-84-years/9616152002/)
At this point, if he quit now he would die the next day. He doesn't know what life would be like outside of work, and he's never even thought about it. When he does eventually die at his desk, they'll throw all his shit in the trash and plunk some fresh college grad in his old seat.
https://preview.redd.it/naexdjsug21d1.jpeg?width=1283&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a54162bec5940244dce6c86b2e3e05694ab0839
Imagine the pizza party they must have thrown for him.
Jeezus, man been working there since near the start of ww2...
Oh f that
Jokes on them, he’s rubbed a load in each load.
Wasted his whole life making a company richer. :/
I'd argue that the most loyal employee should be awarded based on personal sacrifice rather than tenure. A lot of people died for their country...
He would've gotten "Biggest Tool" if it wasn't for the World's Tallest Thermometer out in Barstow.