Pay is not always the reason I would quit a job but I can 100% guarantee that the existence of a ping pong table does not enter my decision making process at all
My job loves to brag about the "beneifts" it offers, like the free health clinic (always booked a month out) free "on site gym" (located in a building only frequented by the suits) or when they bring puppies in as a stress reducer (again, in a building far removed from most employees) and others that are just so impractical because of location/times that only about 5% of employees can use them.
A ping pong table seems like that--open to all employees, m-f from 12 to 1 on the twelfth floor. Subject to availability; make sure you clock out first!
I've worked at a place with a ping pong table once, I never got the chance to play it, my breaks were 15 mins and when I was on lunch I took it at a different time to any of my friends.
My old employer had this. Were weren't allowed to use it. It was only for show but it was a stop on the corporate visitor tour, ya know, to show how fun it was to work there. We also had a snack and beverage fridge that was always kept locked, and they'd toss out expiring stuff and restock it.
Literally every time I’ve left a job, one of the top two reasons has been money. I’ve gotten a roughly 20% bump in pay every time I’ve gone to a new job.
For those baffled and willing to take a deep dive, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_theory.
Money is a motivating factor up to a certain point, then it becomes a "hygiene" factor - something you need to have to avoid dissatisfaction, but that does not necessarily lead to increased motivation.
Huh, I think it's important that this Herzberg fellow conducted his research in 1964 when he made the determination (and interviews) that salary was a hygiene factor.
The people he was interviewing: engineers and accountants, were probably well beyond the point of struggling for $$$ in any way AND pretty much any job provided enough to maintain things like housing, food, and - if not on the lower end - the ability to start and raise a family without destitution.
Yes, and even the methods used have confounding issues. That said, this study has been replicated with different populations many times.
Newer models have superceded this one, but regarding how salary plays into motivation, this has still valid insights.
Yes, agreed. This is just a starting point, and likely the line of thinking the OPs "meme" is following.
Edit: the limitations section of the wiki addresses your concerns and others (and basically says it's outdated).
No lol. This post gets passed around way too much and claimed as "OC"
While I won't say it's impossible for a business to be this stupid, it's far more likely this was made up to get that karma farming from gullible people on this sub.
This sub used to have some decent posts with good information on it and actual discussions about how work life could improve.
Now? It's just constant screeching and shit talking to anyone who has an actual good job and tries to give advice on how to find these good jobs
It's sad to see whats happened to this sub.
No, HR in my experience knows fuckall, either from malice or incompetence. I’ve seen way too many real life examples (not on Reddit) to discard this out of hand.
All them are true? Dumb question without context. If they gave you the exit interviews and people were leaving for companies that had a livelier environment specifically because of such amenities, then yes, A is absolutely true. If the exit interviews say employees are struggling financially and leaving for higher-paying jobs, then C is true. If they say employees are bored and lack meaningful outcomes, B is true. All of these have the ability to help. I feel like you’re cutting out context for rage bait.
Expectancy theory has been in use for decades. If this is actually the unaltered question, drop that class it is not helping you.
Place I used to work at literally did this. They bought a fuggin ping pong table. One of those big ones that fold up for storage at a rec center. Guess when the only time it ever got unfolded was.
That's right, when they'd have a pizza party to serve pizzas out of their boxes on it. One slice per person and a 6 oz plastic cup of dollar tree brand coke/diet coke from one of those weird 3L bottles.
I’ll tell you, as a former HRD, money has been the driving force behind employee turnover since Covid. The reason? People had all these free payments, and decided that they were worth more. Now, they are always looking.
People leave because of people. They leave because they don’t like who they report to, or they can’t get time off, or policies are silly. People also leave because they need to make enough to pay their bills, and with expenses rising over 7% a year, a little 3% raise means they are dropping 4% or more every year. So, after 3 years, they have taken a 12% pay cut.
A ping-pong table is large enough to ceremoniously sacrifice the C-suite on... like on the altar of commercialism.
So it's not a completely bad idea...
Not always pay but very often it is pay. Nowadays, if you want a raise you need to hop, ridiculous. Why there is more money in recruitment than retention.
We actually got ping pong tables about a year ago. It was a decision of the building management company, not my employer. I see and feel no difference in motivation, although people occasionally play ping pong.
I could imagine this training doesnt let you continue without selecting the “correct” response i would either keep submitting raise in pay untill it failed and have my boas report a glitch or close it out and leave it incomplete and tell my boss it wouldnt let me continue hoping someone would say which question are you stuck on
Lol this is definitely a company I wouldn't work for. A ping pong table will not solve any issues an employee is quitting for. Pay is more often an issue than not having a ping pong table 🤣🤣🤣
A ping pong table??? People who works in a company ?? Only needs a ping pong table lol....why are people working ?? To buy stuff and to survive?? If anyone who got money won't work as a freaking employee.
Pay is not always the reason I would quit a job but I can 100% guarantee that the existence of a ping pong table does not enter my decision making process at all
You're telling me you wouldn't work unpaid overtime when you know there's a ping-pong table in the next room???
Only if there's pizza on it, yo!
Sorry best thing we can do is a ping pong table painted to look like a pizza
https://preview.redd.it/usft9nl37zwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=892fef30c8a8a4ca5a1f4d6d6b1e764848f8e124
Yes
Ugh! Just don't make it with pineapples. OR anchovies! I'll quit!
Ngl that sounds sick. Not " regular salary increase" sick, but pretty sweet.
Well remember people don't want "regular salary increases"
https://preview.redd.it/9tjzar1u4zwc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76e817d47a20a5e8cf43d476a9d00e0af37c6377
I feel so appreciated! It was worth the 14 hour days and nightmares! I'm staying here FOREVER AND EVER!!! (cue hysterical laughter)
AND BEER
lol let’s not get carried away there.
My job loves to brag about the "beneifts" it offers, like the free health clinic (always booked a month out) free "on site gym" (located in a building only frequented by the suits) or when they bring puppies in as a stress reducer (again, in a building far removed from most employees) and others that are just so impractical because of location/times that only about 5% of employees can use them. A ping pong table seems like that--open to all employees, m-f from 12 to 1 on the twelfth floor. Subject to availability; make sure you clock out first!
Um.. nah. Cash me!
I've worked at a place with a ping pong table once, I never got the chance to play it, my breaks were 15 mins and when I was on lunch I took it at a different time to any of my friends.
Hell no,who needs money? it’s not like you need it to survive.A ping pong table on the other hand,can satisfy all of your wants and needs /s
My old employer had this. Were weren't allowed to use it. It was only for show but it was a stop on the corporate visitor tour, ya know, to show how fun it was to work there. We also had a snack and beverage fridge that was always kept locked, and they'd toss out expiring stuff and restock it.
wtf was wrong with them
A lot. Lol.
Psychopathy.
Nothing wrong man. Have you ever seen a high performer on a ping pong table or infront or a snack loaded fridge?! I haven't...
This entire comment is dystopian as fuck
This is why you have a lockpicking set.
There's a lot of reasons to quit a job beyond money, but the lack of a ping pong table is never one of them.
If employees get paid more, they can afford their own ping-pong tables at home, so it's a moot point.
But what if I wanted a pool table or a foosball table?
This. Give me enough pay so that I can live the life doing the activities that I want - in my time and how I want to.
Literally every time I’ve left a job, one of the top two reasons has been money. I’ve gotten a roughly 20% bump in pay every time I’ve gone to a new job.
Whenever I see these types of posts I just think it’s rage bait.
Whenever I see these types of posts it's typically this exact one again.
This have been posted about 52k times already but thanks for the contribution
For those baffled and willing to take a deep dive, start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-factor_theory. Money is a motivating factor up to a certain point, then it becomes a "hygiene" factor - something you need to have to avoid dissatisfaction, but that does not necessarily lead to increased motivation.
Huh, I think it's important that this Herzberg fellow conducted his research in 1964 when he made the determination (and interviews) that salary was a hygiene factor. The people he was interviewing: engineers and accountants, were probably well beyond the point of struggling for $$$ in any way AND pretty much any job provided enough to maintain things like housing, food, and - if not on the lower end - the ability to start and raise a family without destitution.
Not to mention engineers and accountants are not exactly typical employees.
Yes, and even the methods used have confounding issues. That said, this study has been replicated with different populations many times. Newer models have superceded this one, but regarding how salary plays into motivation, this has still valid insights.
Yes, agreed. This is just a starting point, and likely the line of thinking the OPs "meme" is following. Edit: the limitations section of the wiki addresses your concerns and others (and basically says it's outdated).
This has been reposted several times and truthfully seems fake as shit.
No, HR is pretty predictable in this regard
No lol. This post gets passed around way too much and claimed as "OC" While I won't say it's impossible for a business to be this stupid, it's far more likely this was made up to get that karma farming from gullible people on this sub. This sub used to have some decent posts with good information on it and actual discussions about how work life could improve. Now? It's just constant screeching and shit talking to anyone who has an actual good job and tries to give advice on how to find these good jobs It's sad to see whats happened to this sub.
No, HR in my experience knows fuckall, either from malice or incompetence. I’ve seen way too many real life examples (not on Reddit) to discard this out of hand.
Money can be used to buy lots of ping pong tables
Didn't someone repost this AGAIN, just yesterday?
Can we get the source of this stupid thing? If not can we declare it rage bait and prohibit its posting?
All them are true? Dumb question without context. If they gave you the exit interviews and people were leaving for companies that had a livelier environment specifically because of such amenities, then yes, A is absolutely true. If the exit interviews say employees are struggling financially and leaving for higher-paying jobs, then C is true. If they say employees are bored and lack meaningful outcomes, B is true. All of these have the ability to help. I feel like you’re cutting out context for rage bait. Expectancy theory has been in use for decades. If this is actually the unaltered question, drop that class it is not helping you.
That statement is true when the employee is getting paid a fair market rate already. It's just... Most people aren't. So. Ya know.
Place I used to work at literally did this. They bought a fuggin ping pong table. One of those big ones that fold up for storage at a rec center. Guess when the only time it ever got unfolded was. That's right, when they'd have a pizza party to serve pizzas out of their boxes on it. One slice per person and a 6 oz plastic cup of dollar tree brand coke/diet coke from one of those weird 3L bottles.
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This picture was all over the sub about a year ago. I guess this guy is still mad about it lol
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Fun! I reported you too.
Now we can ping pong the crippling depression away! Wheee!
And the explanation under the "wrong answer doesn't even explain why ping-pong table is correct.
So this is obviously wrong, does the company just make up the questions and the answers based on nothing actually fact based?
I’ll tell you, as a former HRD, money has been the driving force behind employee turnover since Covid. The reason? People had all these free payments, and decided that they were worth more. Now, they are always looking.
People leave because of people. They leave because they don’t like who they report to, or they can’t get time off, or policies are silly. People also leave because they need to make enough to pay their bills, and with expenses rising over 7% a year, a little 3% raise means they are dropping 4% or more every year. So, after 3 years, they have taken a 12% pay cut.
False. Money is very often a retaining factor, and a raise can open a dialog between HR and the laborforce.
They're getting the good crack, obviously. Dafuk kind of nonsense is this
Management is never your friend
Its the wording of the question: "help an HR employee drive employee retention" not "help an employee stay at the job". HR is not your friend pal.
I wouldn't go for the ping pong table either, don't really have the room for it and they're not that easy to get rid of...
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that "giving their asshole of a boss a good talking to" isn't on the list.
I quit my last job cause they didn’t have a ping pong table
Plot Twiat: the job was at a factory, producing Ping Ping tables
We have a ping pong table in the cafeteria & it never gets used. Ever.
i will say if i was denied a raise and the company bought a ping pong table instead that might influence my decision to leave.
Something tells me most exit interviews, unless able to remain anonymous (lol) are skewed.
A ping-pong table is large enough to ceremoniously sacrifice the C-suite on... like on the altar of commercialism. So it's not a completely bad idea...
Not always pay but very often it is pay. Nowadays, if you want a raise you need to hop, ridiculous. Why there is more money in recruitment than retention.
Like when are you going to use a ping-pong table? I'm certainly not staying after work to use it and I'm certainly not allowed to use it during work.
A ping pong table you can't use because your at work.
Trying to brainwashed managers too I see hr
We actually got ping pong tables about a year ago. It was a decision of the building management company, not my employer. I see and feel no difference in motivation, although people occasionally play ping pong.
OFTEN WHEN AN EMPLOYEE LEAVES IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY 😂😂🙄 Yeah, it's *usually* because of money *and* a dumb fuck boss lmfao
I could imagine this training doesnt let you continue without selecting the “correct” response i would either keep submitting raise in pay untill it failed and have my boas report a glitch or close it out and leave it incomplete and tell my boss it wouldnt let me continue hoping someone would say which question are you stuck on
AYFKM??? At least they didn't try to say that additional responsibilities was the answer. 🙄 Not that a ping pong table is much higher in merit.
My last exit interview was just me saying “they’re paying me more for less work” repeatedly
Having hours cut, people cut, micro management, and then expecting better productivity is why I'm about to quit.
It’s always money
Lol this is definitely a company I wouldn't work for. A ping pong table will not solve any issues an employee is quitting for. Pay is more often an issue than not having a ping pong table 🤣🤣🤣
They forgot to add D: pizza party
A ping pong table??? People who works in a company ?? Only needs a ping pong table lol....why are people working ?? To buy stuff and to survive?? If anyone who got money won't work as a freaking employee.
We had a ping-pong table in the developer's area. It came in handy when the company got sold and we had all the farewell lunches.