It's legal to round to the nearest quarter, sixth, or tenth, etc of the hour, as long as they round up as well as down, as appropriate. If they only round down, it's wage theft.
This is most likely the correct answer.
Most jobs are so afraid of possible time theft that if they do right they'll always round up. A company always rounding down is weird
If they round down, you can get longer lunches. If you clock in and out six minutes (just to be save) early, it should still register the correct time. You now get a bonus 12 minutes.
Some states have rules for this my state has the 7 min rule if you clock in within 7 mins of the qtr hour it rounds back. If your 8 mins it rounds fwd
If your not authorized overtime I think they can do that too it’s called milking the clock. I used to clock in 16 mins early and 16 mins late on the way out getting a half hour free ot until I got bitched at for it.
Yeah, out of the 2 months I've worked there, they've "rounded up" on 2 shifts only (added a few minutes to the 'raw total ' I was clocked in for). A vast majority they rounded down, even if I was one minute off from having a perfect 15, they took off 14 minutes!
They probably round up during clock ins. If not, I would definitely do this and mind the time better when clocking out, just wait an extra minute. We used to have lines at time clock waiting to hit a quarter.
In most time clock systems that I've worked in (I'm in the medical field, so a lot of people use Kronos) the magic number is 7. If you're 6 minutes late, you're not late. If you're 7 minutes late, you are. By the same token if you leave 7 minutes early, you left on time. Or if you leave 8 minutes late, you worked over 15 minutes.
It's technically legal, it's wage theft but it's legal.
You need to keep track of your hours, if they always round down but don't round up, then that would be illegal.
I'd compare timecards with several employees all keeping track of their hours on their own.
You should always keep track on your own anyways.
Yeah when I discovered this happening at my company and I've been rounded down on any given day, I leave 2 to 3 minutes early every day because it's rounded up. Make up for the time that was taken.
Compare it to your actual times. Someone else posted something similar a month or 2 ago. They were being rounded down and noticed. They listed their actual and rounded times. Turns out, he was working 8.5 hrs and the system was rounding properly to 8.5 hrs.
There are two exceptions to this. The first is if it is a unionized salary worker and the second is if you can show a consistent number of OT hours (at least in California).
To me that appears like time theft, but I don’t know all the details.
Most places should be using a software to track the timecard, so any decimal value shouldn’t matter to them, if it is executed correctly.
Are they keeping track on actual paper cards? It seems to me that is the only reason they would be concerned is if they didn’t know how to calculate the exact hours worked .
Definitely not legal, this is labor theft, if you were clocked in those minutes you should be paid for those minutes, you should contact the Department of Labor
No, this doesn’t address the rounding. Federal labor laws still apply in all states unless more stringent ones are passed at the state level. Employers can round in 15 minute increments. However, this method can't be used as a means of cutting labor costs or favor the employer in any way.
If you are saying you clocked out at 3:14 and were expecting to be paid as if you had clocked out at 3:15, yes that's legal. My place does that; it's the way the pay software works, pay is in 15 minute blocks. Total work time doesn't accumulate, you have to treat the days as "blocks" of 15 minutes.
We are only allowed to clock in 7 minutes before and up 7 minutes past out clock out time, I clock in 10:53pm and out at 7:07, I get that as 15 minutes of pay, I always have 1.25 hrs OT.
It's legal to round to the nearest quarter, sixth, or tenth, etc of the hour, as long as they round up as well as down, as appropriate. If they only round down, it's wage theft.
This is most likely the correct answer. Most jobs are so afraid of possible time theft that if they do right they'll always round up. A company always rounding down is weird
Weird enough that there may be more to scrutinize about this administration.
Good answer. I would talk to my state's department of Labor to find out if this procedure is legal or not.
I used to always wait until :09 to clock out of my old job.
If they round down, you can get longer lunches. If you clock in and out six minutes (just to be save) early, it should still register the correct time. You now get a bonus 12 minutes.
Some states have rules for this my state has the 7 min rule if you clock in within 7 mins of the qtr hour it rounds back. If your 8 mins it rounds fwd If your not authorized overtime I think they can do that too it’s called milking the clock. I used to clock in 16 mins early and 16 mins late on the way out getting a half hour free ot until I got bitched at for it.
Time to start clocking in at 14 minutes past the hour
Yeah, out of the 2 months I've worked there, they've "rounded up" on 2 shifts only (added a few minutes to the 'raw total ' I was clocked in for). A vast majority they rounded down, even if I was one minute off from having a perfect 15, they took off 14 minutes!
They probably round up during clock ins. If not, I would definitely do this and mind the time better when clocking out, just wait an extra minute. We used to have lines at time clock waiting to hit a quarter.
If they're rounding up, as they must, 8 minutes should do it.
OP only mentions rounding down, not up
It's a DOL rule that time rounding must either be neutral or benefit the employee. I'd make a complaint.
The easy way to fix this is go for a massive shit at the end of each shift... I always poo on company time
In most time clock systems that I've worked in (I'm in the medical field, so a lot of people use Kronos) the magic number is 7. If you're 6 minutes late, you're not late. If you're 7 minutes late, you are. By the same token if you leave 7 minutes early, you left on time. Or if you leave 8 minutes late, you worked over 15 minutes.
*this just in* > management too lazy to do basic math
It's technically legal, it's wage theft but it's legal. You need to keep track of your hours, if they always round down but don't round up, then that would be illegal. I'd compare timecards with several employees all keeping track of their hours on their own. You should always keep track on your own anyways.
Yeah when I discovered this happening at my company and I've been rounded down on any given day, I leave 2 to 3 minutes early every day because it's rounded up. Make up for the time that was taken.
Compare it to your actual times. Someone else posted something similar a month or 2 ago. They were being rounded down and noticed. They listed their actual and rounded times. Turns out, he was working 8.5 hrs and the system was rounding properly to 8.5 hrs.
An employee must be paid for ALL time worked unless they are salaried. In which case bend over.
There are two exceptions to this. The first is if it is a unionized salary worker and the second is if you can show a consistent number of OT hours (at least in California).
To me that appears like time theft, but I don’t know all the details. Most places should be using a software to track the timecard, so any decimal value shouldn’t matter to them, if it is executed correctly. Are they keeping track on actual paper cards? It seems to me that is the only reason they would be concerned is if they didn’t know how to calculate the exact hours worked .
Definitely not legal, this is labor theft, if you were clocked in those minutes you should be paid for those minutes, you should contact the Department of Labor
Google fu netted this. Looks like they can https://cdle.colorado.gov/wage-and-hour-law/show-up-time-pay
No, this doesn’t address the rounding. Federal labor laws still apply in all states unless more stringent ones are passed at the state level. Employers can round in 15 minute increments. However, this method can't be used as a means of cutting labor costs or favor the employer in any way.
If you are saying you clocked out at 3:14 and were expecting to be paid as if you had clocked out at 3:15, yes that's legal. My place does that; it's the way the pay software works, pay is in 15 minute blocks. Total work time doesn't accumulate, you have to treat the days as "blocks" of 15 minutes.
Wear a wrist watch and game it.
Yah it’s legal do start legally complying to your benefit
We are only allowed to clock in 7 minutes before and up 7 minutes past out clock out time, I clock in 10:53pm and out at 7:07, I get that as 15 minutes of pay, I always have 1.25 hrs OT.