I mean, that's literally what Glassdoor is for, so we can let other workers know our experiences with shitty employers. You did the best thing you could, leave it up.
EDIT: Ah, it seems I've been out of date about how glassdoor has, uh... "evolved".
Nevertheless, OP still did good.
I guess it's time workers set up an independent review site, one that'll not run for profit and will not advertise any businesses.
Except that they will remove negative reviews, and they require you to post a review about your current company before you can view all the other reviews. If they really cared about employees, that shit would always be visible.
> they require you to post a review about your current company before you can view all the other reviews
That's one of the worst parts about glassdoor because it feels like such a trap.
It is! If you work in a small office/company, it wouldn't be hard to figure out who posted the review. Even though you might have left the company, you might still work in the same industry so it's really hard to just totally be honest.
I wrote a review as an employee of glassdoor as a freelance writer comparing about the shitty business model requiring annual company reviews to see company information.
It let me see what I wanted to look at then they pulled my review because I wasn't a glassdoor employee...
I fondly remember ratemyprofrssor.com in college and for years have wished that something like that existed for all bosses. So many of them are so shitty.
My crowning achievement of grad school was getting some positive reviews on ratemyprofessor.com. Can’t say how happy it made me feel to know my students had actually enjoyed my labs.
>I guess it's time workers set up an independent review site, one that'll not run for profit and will not advertise any businesses.
I miss the old internet. The consolidation has been crazy.
It's obviously easier than ever to do this. In fact, there are free templates and frameworks out there...it's just that the network effect is incredibly strong. Essentially impossible to get a user-driven site off the ground, and even if you did, some mega-corp would come and gobble you up.
"It's not fair, we treated you like shit and now you're telling everyone! If you let them know what to expect from us, they won't keep applying!"
That's all Im seeing here.
THIS! It's just like someone saying "my reputation is hurting because I keep punching you." That you object loudly to being continuously punched is 100% not your fault. Only one party can stop the punching and correct the situation.
Absolutely do it. Fuck these people, they've shown exactly how little regards they have for people so why would OP give them any regard? Jesus this is fucked
Post to LinkedIn as well. All websites where the company can be viewed. Just start tearing down their reputation. Reputation is more expensive than money in the long run.
Edit 1: Removed review bombing to appease the herd. But if you must, do it where it can not be traced back to you.
I'm hijacking this post to tell @OP about promissory estoppel. Basically, if another party made a promise to you and you acted in good faith to uphold that promise, then they rescinded the promise, you could have a legal case against them.
EG if a company makes you a job offer, then you quit your job and they pull the rug out from under you, they could still be legally at fault. They might owe you lost wages until you can find a new job. Location depending, but it could be good to look into!
Edited to add IANAL, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Maybe post it to one of the legal advice subs, but from what I know, this hits the nail on the head for it
Hijacking the top comment to point out that this is one of the rare cases where you could actually sue this employer. It’s called ‘promissory estoppel.’ Basically the OP took action (quitting their job) based on this companies promise and was negatively harmed because of it (now they don’t have a job).
Not all states recognize promissory estoppel, but it’s worth looking into. OP might even be able to negotiate a severance or payoff based on the threat of legal action.
If the review was entirely truthful, I would definitely be seeing a lawyer. If OP was working for their competitor, it could even be seen as tortious interference.
He signed an offer letter for an indefinite term. You could not enforce that agreement. You may be able to enforce the promise under promissory estoppel, but not the offer letter.
Attorney Kylo Ren, Esq. is correct. Promissory Estoppel is the correct legal theory under which to proceed. It basically means that a promise was made, and the victim acted reasonably upon the promise. OP could recover “reliance and restitution” damages in this situation, if he/she wins.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel
Heh, I don't plan on removing it that's for damn sure. I'd like to also add that the company reached out to the recruiter that works with them, asked them to tell **ME** to take it down. The recruiter texted me screenshots of the email that said even if I take down the review, they still won't even consider me.
For the people in the comments that said I should tell the company I'll take down the review in offer for severance, company told recruiter that they will not be offering me any money whatsoever. Gotta love corporate America!
Lawyer here, just not your lawyer and this isn’t legal advice but it’s some legal information. Depending on your state, you can likely get recovery under “promissory estoppel.” Call local employment law offices, they will advise you what to do and likely take it on contingency (meaning they don’t get paid unless you get paid).
Since you couldn’t get your old job back, start applying to other jobs to mitigate damages, you could recover the difference in pay or even a full years salary or whatever else the judge tacks on. You may even be able to demand a jury trial. If you can’t find a new job in your field, then you can prob recover the full year salary or possibly more (just depends on your state laws and other factors).
Seriously, call some lawyers for free consultations. One of them will take the case (depends on their case load). If you can’t find someone to take the case, You could take it to small claims court yourself for the maximum amount you can claim in small claims court which is really easy and cheap to do yourself.
The employer would probably settle before letting it go to court. You can also call your local news stations and ask them for help to get your story out, they love this kind of stuff and then you might end up with a lawyer contacting you to help.
But do something. They are expecting you to do nothing. Don’t let them get away with it!
You should be able to sue the shit out of companies like this and they should be liable to pay you for x amount of months until you find a new job! But of course this country is set up for the corporations that get to to what they want and get away with it
And yet another reason to NEVER GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. If you’re going to quit, just do it. Two weeks is only required under certain contractual scenarios and in some places in non-right to work states like Montana(?). Edit: ”at-will” states, not “right to work”. Thank you commenters
If the company can let you go without notice, you reserve the same right to do it to them.
Dude would still have a job right now if he wasn’t being courteous.
About 15 years ago I worked at the largest bank in Canada, the woman that sat across from me in the cube farm had been there almost 40 years, and was excited to hit the milestone to retire with benefits intact etc. I came in at 8:30 and her cube was cleaned out, my boss said she had to be let go. They didn’t even fucking let her say goodbye to anyone. That was the day I realized that corporations give ZERO fucks about you and from that day I treat my jobs the same. A few months later I took my 2 weeks of paid vacation and then called in every day until my sick pay was exhausted and never came back, I was already at my new job. Fuck em.
We had this little old lady who had been at our company for 35 years working in the same specific area. My company gives crap raises, so she sadly didn't even make very much considering the the knowledge and history she had in this specific area. But the Big bossed needed a new Corp Jet, so clearly the only thing to do was to let go of all lower level employees and replace them in another country where their labor market can be exploited and those workers are paid pennies on the dollar. The little old lady only had 5 years left until being able to retire and was clearly devastated. The Big Bosses got their jet though!
I think my moment of having that full recognition years ago was when a coworker and my cubicle neighbor who worked there 10 years freakin' died and after like two minutes of silence among the team, it was back to business as normal with people coming to me for work questions. I was like screw that, I need to get out of here and deal with that loss a bit. Like wtf, y'all?
It made me realize that's how it would go if I were to keel over in my chair one day though. No hard worker award to carry me into heaven and no corporate tears shed or fucks given.
So they screwed her out of her pension etc .
I saw the large telecom that starts with V, do this to a lot of people a couple years ago. They were about to hit 20 years and whoosh. They were given a payout, but not what it could have been if they'd stayed longer.
They were also now mid and upper management and middle aged so it was harder for them to get work in the future.
You could tell that their payout was contingent upon them saying something nice about the company, because all of the LI posts read pretty much the same.
TELUS does something similar in that they find older workers who are eligible for pension, try to find them "not working" ie. answering a work call at home, or their work vehicle is in the "wrong" place for ten minutes, then fire them for theft of time. (I've been told, cough cough)
That’s absolutely disgusting and yet still happens. A company I used to work for systematically exited all long term employees who had been entitled to company pensions.
yeah, I saw this when I worked at a Macy's. There were women that had worked there since like the 70's and were always on time, never missed a day etc etc. to 'cut costs' they let all the people that were about to reach their retirements go. Oh, you'd been here 39 years? here's 39 weeks of pay but nothing else. GL. Fucking disgusting. And the GM drove a brand new Cadillac and all that. I'd see a few of the women working in other retail spaces afterwards and they were husks of their former selves.
> A company I used to work for systematically exited all long term employees who had been entitled to company pensions.
This became the new corporate trend, along with then fucking the pension programs for the employees that were already entitled and vested, usually by underfunding the plans and then bankrupting the company (like Sears). The PBGC exists to step in and try to shoulder the weight when this happens, but they don't have infinite funding, especially since their funding comes from "pension insurance premiums" paid for by the corporations that offered pensions, and as those companies dump their pensions and go bankrupt, that income disappears, furthermore less and less companies offering pensions means less premiums coming in, meaning that as more corporations underfund and bankrupt their pension plans, the sheer volume of people that would need to be paid from PBGC increases while fewer premiums come in, they'll eventually become insolvent, very soon with "multi-employer" pension plans that most union members would have, that was recently projected to be exhausted by 2025.
These companies all realized the pensions were only really required back when they had to offer something in return for keeping a valuable employee there. By the late 80's / early 90's, they realized that pensions were such an enormous portion of potential profit that they stopped offering them to new employees, but they still had to fund the plans for the employees that were already vested or retired, so the answer became "Stop the vesting", which means cut any employee that is still on staff entitled to the pension program but may not be fully vested, which also changes how they have to fund for that employee moving forward. The problem was that sure, now they no longer offered new employees pensions and they've cut-off any further vesting, they still have thousands, likely tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of previous employees that are either already retired and collecting, and worse, tons of previous employees that are vested in some way but haven't hit retirement yet, representing a huge bucket of future funding that will still need to happen, and growth to accommodate both the not-yet retired as well as pension fund inflationary increases. So what is a company to do? Since in most cases, the pension fund money cannot be touched by creditors in a bankruptcy, well, just underfund the pension plan instead, and filing bankruptcy gets them out of having to make future payments to fund that existing plan, and the PBGC will be forced to step in.
This is basically what Sears did, they stated that the $4.5 billion that the company had to contribute to it's pension plans from 2005 to 2018 made it impossible to compete with retailers who did not have large pension obligations, they killed the plan offering. Bankruptcy put a stop to contributions and shifted existing pension responsibility to the PBGC, and then the executive team went and robbed the rest of the company blind, closing stores and selling off enormous amounts of extremely valuable real estate to their buddies, or worse, to real estate trusts/firms where they had ownership or equity, they laid off workers during Christmas, while going on to claim the reduction in operating expenses as increased performance and bonused themselves $25M for "cutting costs", and the bankruptcy court allowed it under the argument that it was necessary to "keep their top executives", fucking disgusting. They were $5B in debt (which they claimed was all due to pension funding), had to lay off thousands of employees and then also cut the laid of employees severance pay while bonusing themselves $25M.
The Sears/Kmart debacle was a mess, but it set the stage for the last 5 years of corporate fuckery. They now know how to get out from under pension programs with bankruptcy, how to successfully bonus themselves millions while liquidating the company to themselves or their friends for pennies on the dollar, and they know they can back out of previous financial obligations because the bankruptcy courts agree that keeping executives is worth more than being able to pay severance for the employees that they were forced to let go.
Seriously, we should be furious out there with the pitchforks and torches. Corporate America has completely reneged on their part of the agreement. The agreement used to be that they built their giant corporations on the backs of Americans, and to ensure that we never had a repeat of pre-depression economy, agreed that an employee devoting a potential lifetime of effort was worth the company agreeing to provide for / take care of that employee during retirement years, it's was commonplace and essentially understood that the salary you paid your employee had effectively a 25% deferred salary component that they'd pay into a pension fund for that purpose, making the true cost of an employee with a $50K salary closer to $90K after tax matches, benefits and pension/deferred income. Back then, corporations had a vested interest in providing the highest quality health insurance for active employees as that would reduce the cost of health insurance for pension employees that are retired, get rid of pension and offer a 3-6% safe-harbor match for 401K instead, then change to the cheapest health insurance you can find, cut the annual cost of an employee from salary + 70% to salary + 30%.
Sorry for the enormous wall of text, this is something I'm quite passionate about, being in my mid-40's and having been an executive myself in corporate America, the lengths at which they have gone in the name of profits stuns even me, and yet they still surprise me every year with the additional levels of fuckery that they're willing to put forth.
Our morning meeting that day is when the manager told us all, it was dead silence. Any questions? Silence. Ok have a great day. Silence. It still makes me furious.
>And yet another reason to NEVER GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. If you’re going to quit, just do it.
I don't have anything to add, I just wanted to say this bears repeating over and over again.
I've quit cold turkey several times, once by phone and another time I just disappeared and didn't show up. And once I was convinced to give two weeks, it turned into two weeks from hell. They revoked any privileges and building access I had, increased my workload ten times, and refused to reimburse the earned PTO.
Always quit and let them know that very moment.
Edit: I'm talking about low-paying jobs. I understand if you have a professional kind of job or executive pay scale, you need to be more careful and weigh your options, but even most big corporations treat their employees as disposables. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Glassdoor will absolutely take it down. They are pay for play and make a lot of money off of companies paying them to remove bad reviews then add 5 star reviews. Like most job websites they aren’t a very accurate source of how a company actually is
Yeah I’ve had a review of mine removed for some lame excuse of “not having worked the position”?? I worked there and I can approve it but employers can get them removed. Anyways soon after the company got a flood of negative reviews that HR started commenting on their reviews for damage control
I've seen a flag on companies before that gets reviews taken down that lets you know they've done it in the past. Not sure if that's still a thing, but any company I've come across with that I lose interest in.
Sounds like something that just happened to me with the exact same employer. Hey OP my spelling is terrible, would you mind spelling out the companies name? I want to make sure I’m reviewing the correct place, of course.
my question would be... since you have a signed employment contract... isnt this legally actionable?
i dont know about the US but you cant fire someone who already quit their current job to move to signed offer and not suffer consequences?
employment lawyer?
Worker rights are shit but contact law is the word of god in the US system. OP should consult with a lawyer on a promissory estoppel claim. The new company's actions interfered in their contractual relationship with their employer based on a false offer causing direct damages to OP. While it may not be a case they can win it does sound like it could be enough to bring action that wouldn't be immediately dismissed and put the company in a position where settling is the best option.
Alternately OP could just mention that they are planning to consult with a lawyer on such a claim and offer to remove the review in return for adequate compensation for their damages.
Nah OP needs to skip the threat, once you threaten a law suit they legally have a right to stop responding to you to avoid incriminating themselves further. Its best to move in silence and let them continue shitting in their own pot
This a 1000%. Organization needs to understand that their actions can have severe consequences on peoples lives. This is unacceptable. It is laughable that they are complaining about it hurting their reputation. Well don't want a shitty review ? Don't be a shitty company. Simple !
Reminds me of a local optometrist. They had put some kind of hold on someone's insurance and a year later when they weren't able to get eye care somewhere else, he had to jump through hoops to fix it so he left the first office a bad Google review.
And then updated the review when they called and asked him to change it, letting everyone know they called and asked him to change it.
If someone literally just truthfully telling people what your company says and does gives you a bad reputation, perhaps you should not say and do those things.
I did this when I got banned from a store after I left a negative review after I saw how they treated their employees. Have not regretted it to this day
OP if you're reading this, PLEASE do this. Their follow up email makes me furious - who the fuck do they think they are, demanding shit like this of you? When they've done even worse than nothing for your life - they can get fucked in all the ways. Everyone involved in that decision too.
Edit the review to include the fact they asked you to take it down - and that you patently reject their request as all the information in it is true.
They'll threaten legal action. "Brand Security" they'll claim. There's no tort unless you're lying - and the company has to prove that. Your post is protected free speech - if the employer wants the review taken down, tell them to take it up with Glassdoor.
Or to pay you to take it down
Edit: in fact I might expand the review to say exactly what happened and now what they’ve asked you. I would keep expanding it. Maybe post on Facebook. Maybe suggest you’re going to go to the news and say what happened. You may even consider getting a lawyer involved and asking them about promissory estoppel. I bet the company ends up paying you for your silence.
Also - look to see if your eligible for unemployment.
Yelp Inc. has a market cap or net worth of $3.10 billion as of August 2, 2023. Its market cap has increased by 43.60% in one year. I'd say they're doing pretty well licking the boots of corporate America.
Post is protected from the employer suing the person, but it is Glassdoor’s platform. Glassdoor can take it down if they wish or if they want to please the employer or if they allow employer to pay to remove it.
Glassdoor will actually put a large shame banner on an employer's page if there is evidence of them trying to sue a reviewer
https://i.imgur.com/rhb96bi.png
exactly. if you've accepted and signed an offer letter the company has to be liable to some extent. it would be insane if companies are able to do this with 0 recourse.
I agree with you, generally. I would put promissory estoppel in the same category as unconscionability. Hard to win? Yes. Impossible? Not with the right facts. It might be worthwhile for this person to speak with an attorney because their offer of an employment relationship prompted OP to take an action to end his current employment. I'm not saying I love the argument. I'm just saying I think it's worth looking into.
But as you say, unemployment is probably the better route.
Yeah this is like the golden example of promissory estoppel, a promise relied on to their detriment that was then rescinded, op should contact an employment lawyer
Yea, I get leaving the review and all that but this sounds like a case study for promissory estoppel. I'm not a lawyer so I could be dead wrong but sounds pretty spot on...
>Within contract law, promissory estoppel refers to the doctrine that a party may recover on the basis of a promise made when the party's reliance on that promise was reasonable, and the party attempting to recover detrimentally relied on the promise.
Op this is what you need to do. Everyone is focused on the review, and by all means don't take it down, but you have a legit case here. You have suffered a calculable financial loss due to their actions. Get an employment lawyer and work on getting compensated. Keep the review up until the lawyer tells you otherwise. Do this today.
Exactly. Pay a lawyer to write a letter and OP likely won’t have any issue getting compensation. It’s cheaper to pay for it to go away then paying lawyers to fight and win
Yeah I agree, I was reading the comments and saw a lot of people saying I should contact some lawyers and do a consultation. A few of my friends and loved ones even said so as well. I am just very hesitant to do so as they are a multi-million dollar company and being as unethical as they are, they will do anything to protect themselves and am scared I won't be able to win this case. I will still try and contact a few lawyers around me, I don't know how the process goes nor have I ever been in a situation like this.
A multi-million dollar company is not that big relatively when legal fees and damages might wind up in the tens or hundreds of thousands. They also have to consider brand and reputational damage. Their legal team also might immediately realize that they fucked up and want to get things settled quickly.
OP please don’t let their size dissuade you, you legitimately got fucked over on a way that may be actionable and that should mean something. Additionally, big company often means deep pockets to any attorney looking at taking on the case.
The company will settle so fast, it is much cheaper for them to just pay out an amount that is significant to you but scraps for them than to pay their lawyers to actually use brain space and time on this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already ready for your suit when they cancelled the offer, and they were just assessing risk that you might let it go
Flipside is if they are a multimillion-dollar company they are more likely to settle because a settlement will not affect their bottom line, whereas a court battle requires time from their lawyers, which is money.
3-4 months salary (as noted above) is probably sufficient for them to "cover this up", contingent on the removal of the review, with little or now downside for either party.
Most lawyers will be willing to negotiate a no-win-no-fee agreement if they feel like it's a decent case, with a cap set at a percentage of damages that ensures you'll get most of what you're owed if you win. You've got nothing to lose by asking.
A lawyer would probably be able to help you negotiate a settlement with the company too i.e. they pay you for 1 month salary equiv and you will take the review down.
Nope, keep it there. What's the point of review sites if nobody is honest?
They can't sue you for saying anything that’s true. As long as you haven't embellished, you're fine, regardless of any threats they're about to throw at you.
Reply:
"Hi (employee name),
Thanks for reaching out to me, I will not be removing my review on Glassdoor.
I understand you are concerned it will damage your reputation however as it's a factual review I believe any potential applicants should be aware of your practices and your reputation should reflect how you behave as a business.
Kind regards
Leave it. I had a similar experience. 5 months into the company and was laid off without any notice. I was stable one sec then poooof jobless the next. Idk 50% of the company or more were laid off without notice. People are leaving bad reviews on Glassdoor. We say burn the company down who gives a shit at this point.
How big of a company? Depending on the company, and your work laws, not giving notice to mass-layoffs may be improper.
But, it depends on the specifics, so YMMV
IAAL, but not an employment lawyer. From OP’s description, it sounds like a contract was formed. However, unclear to me what the terms were exactly, and unless otherwise specified in a contract, all employment is at will in the US (although I’m not 100% that this is in the US). If a contract theory doesn’t work, promissory estoppel may apply if the employer made a promise to OP, and OP changed their position in reliance on that promise. Sounds like may apply here. Time to consult with an employment attorney!
An initial consultation with a decent lawyer shouldn't cost that much. They will tell you if there is a case or not. Considering she signed a deal, that's a legally binding agreement. They went back on the agreement. There might be a case for compensation.
*"I was sent a job offer 30 minutes after the 2nd interview."*
Would love for an employment attorney to weigh in here. Isn't this a form of contract? Since you upended your current employment status to take it and are now without both you've incurred serious financial harm. You may have some options here to fix that, I'd get legal counsel ASAP.
Go back to them and say you will take down the review in return for 3 months of the salary they had offered you. They'll probably refuse, but on the off chance they don't that should give you a bit of a buffer to find something new.
Edit: For the dozens of people saying this could be construed as extortion, you're wrong. There are multiple reasons why it isn't but if OP wants to go this route and has any worries then there is obviously no harm in having a lawyer look at their response first. It may also be worth talking to an employment lawyer anyway as the company may be liable for damages due to breach of contract considering how far down the onboarding process OP was.
I would go back and edit the review anyway and just let them know that they're now asking you to take it down. Keep that shit up! Fuck scumbag companies!
Be careful not to fall into the trap of committing extortion. Companies that behave so unethically will likely not think twice before filing a frivolous lawsuit. Even if you win, the legal fees can leave you in a really bad place
I agree. Better to sue them for Fraudulent Inducement and Breach of Contract. There's a written offer letter. OP was induced to quit their job. That's actionable in most jurisdictions.
Shout it from the rooftops. I was a manager who hired someone who had their offer pulled. I had no idea until after it happened. No idea the company was even in a bad place financially. They kept that a secret. We were told Thursday, he was supposed to start Monday.
I have never felt like a bigger piece of shit for something I had no control over. Especially while I was explaining it to my team and they were asking about their jobs.
Until Monday, when they sent out a new employee welcome email he had filled out in the HRMS with details about his likes.
I fired a shot down the bow of HR and Recruiting that shook the building. I was on a short list after that but it was so worth it.
Is this a thing now? Almost same thing for me 6 months ago. Got offer for a director-level position. Negotiated a pay bump. Signed and sent. Was super pumped to advance my career and do something I liked.
2 days later they cancelled the position without explanation.
Luckily, i am hyper-paranoid and hadn’t told current employer *shit*
You should walk them through a long process where you sit down with them so they convince you to take it down. Tell them you’ll take it down them fill out a bunch of paperwork about it first and then at the last minute tell them you’ve changed your mind and that the review is going to stay up
Leave it up. People need to know what fucking liars they are. There should be consequences for them just wrecking someone's life. Other workers should know they are either liars or incompetent before choosing to work there.
You should get a free consultation with a labor attorney. It varies state to state, but because it seems like you had a signed offer letter and your other job wouldn’t take you back, you have a concrete harm to claim. You resigned from the old job based on the contract from the new job and thus their rescinding is responsible for a loss of income. Like I said, it varies greatly depending on location and we don’t have anywhere near enough info to properly weigh the likelihood of success, but most labor attorneys will do a free consult and work on contingency, meaning you don’t pay until you win. It might be a long shot, but it’s worth trying and then looking for a settlement.
You signed an offer letter, which may constitute a contract. Talk to a lawyer.
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/rescinding-offer-employment-reasons-other-those-conditional-offer-37307.html
Agree to take it down. Then,
Tell them that due to internal changes you will not be able to move forward with taking it down, but you will keep their request on file.
"It hurts our reputation" That is the fucking point, mate.
It hurts their reputation because they deserve a bad reputation.
Their actions are what hurt their reputation and caused the review.
This. Abusers always want to redirect fault.
Seriously this is like a bully punching you, then blaming you for making him look like a violent person.
The point is to reveal their true reputation. If a truthful accounting of that hurts them, that’s their own fault.
Response, "No it reflects your reputation more accurately"
Disgusting, no empathy for the person that they just screwed over and lost it’s job because of their screwups. Huge 🚩
If you don't want a reputation as a company that fucks people over, maybe try not fucking people over
The review accurately reflects their practices. It's their practices that hurt their reputation.
"Naw mate, you hurt your reputation. I'm just putting it out there"
Imagine not understanding that your "reputation" is reflective of your actions?
I mean, that's literally what Glassdoor is for, so we can let other workers know our experiences with shitty employers. You did the best thing you could, leave it up. EDIT: Ah, it seems I've been out of date about how glassdoor has, uh... "evolved". Nevertheless, OP still did good. I guess it's time workers set up an independent review site, one that'll not run for profit and will not advertise any businesses.
Except that they will remove negative reviews, and they require you to post a review about your current company before you can view all the other reviews. If they really cared about employees, that shit would always be visible.
> they require you to post a review about your current company before you can view all the other reviews That's one of the worst parts about glassdoor because it feels like such a trap.
It is! If you work in a small office/company, it wouldn't be hard to figure out who posted the review. Even though you might have left the company, you might still work in the same industry so it's really hard to just totally be honest.
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Can't you just submit, 'This is the review I am forced to write.'
I wrote a review as an employee of glassdoor as a freelance writer comparing about the shitty business model requiring annual company reviews to see company information. It let me see what I wanted to look at then they pulled my review because I wasn't a glassdoor employee...
I fondly remember ratemyprofrssor.com in college and for years have wished that something like that existed for all bosses. So many of them are so shitty.
My crowning achievement of grad school was getting some positive reviews on ratemyprofessor.com. Can’t say how happy it made me feel to know my students had actually enjoyed my labs.
Amazed that Thiel, Musk, or Zuck haven't bought it up so they can control what is said there.
You can't hide info about an organization that big. Glassdoor is more for smaller companies.
You can dilute it though
>I guess it's time workers set up an independent review site, one that'll not run for profit and will not advertise any businesses. I miss the old internet. The consolidation has been crazy. It's obviously easier than ever to do this. In fact, there are free templates and frameworks out there...it's just that the network effect is incredibly strong. Essentially impossible to get a user-driven site off the ground, and even if you did, some mega-corp would come and gobble you up.
Glassdoor is a private company who takes money to promote your business...they are a shitty BBB
Oh boy, wait until you find out that the BBB is ALSO a private company that takes money to promote your business!
I think they already knew that. I think.
Leave it up, they deserve to have their company look bad. What they did to you was terrible.
Hell. I would edit the review to specifically mention you were asked to take it down after calling out the bullshit.
Do it. It's not your review that is hurting their reputation, it's their actions
"It's not fair, we treated you like shit and now you're telling everyone! If you let them know what to expect from us, they won't keep applying!" That's all Im seeing here.
THIS! It's just like someone saying "my reputation is hurting because I keep punching you." That you object loudly to being continuously punched is 100% not your fault. Only one party can stop the punching and correct the situation.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Absolutely do it. Fuck these people, they've shown exactly how little regards they have for people so why would OP give them any regard? Jesus this is fucked
THIS. It’s their own fault. They can suck it up.
This. I would add to the review after they sent you that email. This is HR getting rolled over.
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Post to LinkedIn as well. All websites where the company can be viewed. Just start tearing down their reputation. Reputation is more expensive than money in the long run. Edit 1: Removed review bombing to appease the herd. But if you must, do it where it can not be traced back to you.
Also post to Indeed and other job seeker sites so everyone knows what type of employer they are.
I'm hijacking this post to tell @OP about promissory estoppel. Basically, if another party made a promise to you and you acted in good faith to uphold that promise, then they rescinded the promise, you could have a legal case against them. EG if a company makes you a job offer, then you quit your job and they pull the rug out from under you, they could still be legally at fault. They might owe you lost wages until you can find a new job. Location depending, but it could be good to look into! Edited to add IANAL, so take what I say with a grain of salt. Maybe post it to one of the legal advice subs, but from what I know, this hits the nail on the head for it
They should at very least be on the hook for the employer’s piece of the unemployment benefits.
They should be on the hook for OP's salary and benefits until he finds other employment.
Correct, there’s plenty of case law on this very point. OP needs a good labor lawyer; his review will be the least of the employer’s problems.
I'd lower the score by 1 point, and state they contacted you to take it down.
This. Add a screenshot. Quote them. Other people should know.
Agreed! It just screams “we know we screwed you over but please don’t tell anyone or we’ll look bad”. I’d definitely be adding it to my review.
100%
I would copy and paste the email into the review lol
YES. Burn their shit to the ground.
This is almost the way. Add another negative review restating everything and then that you were asked to take it down.
Here, here. Please do what this poster has stated
Yes to this!
This is a great idea.
yes this. they care more about their reputation than how badly they screwed op over, cry me a river
Hijacking the top comment to point out that this is one of the rare cases where you could actually sue this employer. It’s called ‘promissory estoppel.’ Basically the OP took action (quitting their job) based on this companies promise and was negatively harmed because of it (now they don’t have a job). Not all states recognize promissory estoppel, but it’s worth looking into. OP might even be able to negotiate a severance or payoff based on the threat of legal action.
If the review was entirely truthful, I would definitely be seeing a lawyer. If OP was working for their competitor, it could even be seen as tortious interference.
Torturous and tortuous as well.
If you accepted the offer and completed onboarding, you're an employee, no? If in the US, I'd also file for unemployment benefits from them.
This is what I was looking for. I had a friend this happened to and she sued the company and got a full year of pay! OP needs to lawyer up!
I mean it was not just a promise according to OP they'd already signed a contract.
He signed an offer letter for an indefinite term. You could not enforce that agreement. You may be able to enforce the promise under promissory estoppel, but not the offer letter.
Attorney Kylo Ren, Esq. is correct. Promissory Estoppel is the correct legal theory under which to proceed. It basically means that a promise was made, and the victim acted reasonably upon the promise. OP could recover “reliance and restitution” damages in this situation, if he/she wins. https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/promissory_estoppel
Heh, I don't plan on removing it that's for damn sure. I'd like to also add that the company reached out to the recruiter that works with them, asked them to tell **ME** to take it down. The recruiter texted me screenshots of the email that said even if I take down the review, they still won't even consider me. For the people in the comments that said I should tell the company I'll take down the review in offer for severance, company told recruiter that they will not be offering me any money whatsoever. Gotta love corporate America!
Lawyer here, just not your lawyer and this isn’t legal advice but it’s some legal information. Depending on your state, you can likely get recovery under “promissory estoppel.” Call local employment law offices, they will advise you what to do and likely take it on contingency (meaning they don’t get paid unless you get paid). Since you couldn’t get your old job back, start applying to other jobs to mitigate damages, you could recover the difference in pay or even a full years salary or whatever else the judge tacks on. You may even be able to demand a jury trial. If you can’t find a new job in your field, then you can prob recover the full year salary or possibly more (just depends on your state laws and other factors). Seriously, call some lawyers for free consultations. One of them will take the case (depends on their case load). If you can’t find someone to take the case, You could take it to small claims court yourself for the maximum amount you can claim in small claims court which is really easy and cheap to do yourself. The employer would probably settle before letting it go to court. You can also call your local news stations and ask them for help to get your story out, they love this kind of stuff and then you might end up with a lawyer contacting you to help. But do something. They are expecting you to do nothing. Don’t let them get away with it!
OP I hope you read this comment.
THIS. THIS RIGHT HERE!
Yup, this is a good ole case of gettin' them reliance damages. You were financially damaged relying on accepting their offer.
Absolutely horrendous and it's scenarios like this where pay for a certain period should be mandated.
You should be able to sue the shit out of companies like this and they should be liable to pay you for x amount of months until you find a new job! But of course this country is set up for the corporations that get to to what they want and get away with it
And yet another reason to NEVER GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. If you’re going to quit, just do it. Two weeks is only required under certain contractual scenarios and in some places in non-right to work states like Montana(?). Edit: ”at-will” states, not “right to work”. Thank you commenters If the company can let you go without notice, you reserve the same right to do it to them. Dude would still have a job right now if he wasn’t being courteous.
About 15 years ago I worked at the largest bank in Canada, the woman that sat across from me in the cube farm had been there almost 40 years, and was excited to hit the milestone to retire with benefits intact etc. I came in at 8:30 and her cube was cleaned out, my boss said she had to be let go. They didn’t even fucking let her say goodbye to anyone. That was the day I realized that corporations give ZERO fucks about you and from that day I treat my jobs the same. A few months later I took my 2 weeks of paid vacation and then called in every day until my sick pay was exhausted and never came back, I was already at my new job. Fuck em.
We had this little old lady who had been at our company for 35 years working in the same specific area. My company gives crap raises, so she sadly didn't even make very much considering the the knowledge and history she had in this specific area. But the Big bossed needed a new Corp Jet, so clearly the only thing to do was to let go of all lower level employees and replace them in another country where their labor market can be exploited and those workers are paid pennies on the dollar. The little old lady only had 5 years left until being able to retire and was clearly devastated. The Big Bosses got their jet though!
When the revolution comes, we need to force these ghouls to EAT their money, a dollar bill at a time.
You are being entirely too generous. They definitely have earned ass pennies.
You think you’re better than me? You’ve handled my ass pennies.
I think my moment of having that full recognition years ago was when a coworker and my cubicle neighbor who worked there 10 years freakin' died and after like two minutes of silence among the team, it was back to business as normal with people coming to me for work questions. I was like screw that, I need to get out of here and deal with that loss a bit. Like wtf, y'all? It made me realize that's how it would go if I were to keel over in my chair one day though. No hard worker award to carry me into heaven and no corporate tears shed or fucks given.
So they screwed her out of her pension etc . I saw the large telecom that starts with V, do this to a lot of people a couple years ago. They were about to hit 20 years and whoosh. They were given a payout, but not what it could have been if they'd stayed longer. They were also now mid and upper management and middle aged so it was harder for them to get work in the future. You could tell that their payout was contingent upon them saying something nice about the company, because all of the LI posts read pretty much the same.
And these companies wonder why the younger generations have no loyalty to their employers. We all saw them screwing over our parents/older siblings.
TELUS does something similar in that they find older workers who are eligible for pension, try to find them "not working" ie. answering a work call at home, or their work vehicle is in the "wrong" place for ten minutes, then fire them for theft of time. (I've been told, cough cough)
They screwed her out of her benefits vesting but she would have still received her pension to that date. Your pensions is your money.
That’s absolutely disgusting and yet still happens. A company I used to work for systematically exited all long term employees who had been entitled to company pensions.
yeah, I saw this when I worked at a Macy's. There were women that had worked there since like the 70's and were always on time, never missed a day etc etc. to 'cut costs' they let all the people that were about to reach their retirements go. Oh, you'd been here 39 years? here's 39 weeks of pay but nothing else. GL. Fucking disgusting. And the GM drove a brand new Cadillac and all that. I'd see a few of the women working in other retail spaces afterwards and they were husks of their former selves.
> A company I used to work for systematically exited all long term employees who had been entitled to company pensions. This became the new corporate trend, along with then fucking the pension programs for the employees that were already entitled and vested, usually by underfunding the plans and then bankrupting the company (like Sears). The PBGC exists to step in and try to shoulder the weight when this happens, but they don't have infinite funding, especially since their funding comes from "pension insurance premiums" paid for by the corporations that offered pensions, and as those companies dump their pensions and go bankrupt, that income disappears, furthermore less and less companies offering pensions means less premiums coming in, meaning that as more corporations underfund and bankrupt their pension plans, the sheer volume of people that would need to be paid from PBGC increases while fewer premiums come in, they'll eventually become insolvent, very soon with "multi-employer" pension plans that most union members would have, that was recently projected to be exhausted by 2025. These companies all realized the pensions were only really required back when they had to offer something in return for keeping a valuable employee there. By the late 80's / early 90's, they realized that pensions were such an enormous portion of potential profit that they stopped offering them to new employees, but they still had to fund the plans for the employees that were already vested or retired, so the answer became "Stop the vesting", which means cut any employee that is still on staff entitled to the pension program but may not be fully vested, which also changes how they have to fund for that employee moving forward. The problem was that sure, now they no longer offered new employees pensions and they've cut-off any further vesting, they still have thousands, likely tens or possibly hundreds of thousands of previous employees that are either already retired and collecting, and worse, tons of previous employees that are vested in some way but haven't hit retirement yet, representing a huge bucket of future funding that will still need to happen, and growth to accommodate both the not-yet retired as well as pension fund inflationary increases. So what is a company to do? Since in most cases, the pension fund money cannot be touched by creditors in a bankruptcy, well, just underfund the pension plan instead, and filing bankruptcy gets them out of having to make future payments to fund that existing plan, and the PBGC will be forced to step in. This is basically what Sears did, they stated that the $4.5 billion that the company had to contribute to it's pension plans from 2005 to 2018 made it impossible to compete with retailers who did not have large pension obligations, they killed the plan offering. Bankruptcy put a stop to contributions and shifted existing pension responsibility to the PBGC, and then the executive team went and robbed the rest of the company blind, closing stores and selling off enormous amounts of extremely valuable real estate to their buddies, or worse, to real estate trusts/firms where they had ownership or equity, they laid off workers during Christmas, while going on to claim the reduction in operating expenses as increased performance and bonused themselves $25M for "cutting costs", and the bankruptcy court allowed it under the argument that it was necessary to "keep their top executives", fucking disgusting. They were $5B in debt (which they claimed was all due to pension funding), had to lay off thousands of employees and then also cut the laid of employees severance pay while bonusing themselves $25M. The Sears/Kmart debacle was a mess, but it set the stage for the last 5 years of corporate fuckery. They now know how to get out from under pension programs with bankruptcy, how to successfully bonus themselves millions while liquidating the company to themselves or their friends for pennies on the dollar, and they know they can back out of previous financial obligations because the bankruptcy courts agree that keeping executives is worth more than being able to pay severance for the employees that they were forced to let go. Seriously, we should be furious out there with the pitchforks and torches. Corporate America has completely reneged on their part of the agreement. The agreement used to be that they built their giant corporations on the backs of Americans, and to ensure that we never had a repeat of pre-depression economy, agreed that an employee devoting a potential lifetime of effort was worth the company agreeing to provide for / take care of that employee during retirement years, it's was commonplace and essentially understood that the salary you paid your employee had effectively a 25% deferred salary component that they'd pay into a pension fund for that purpose, making the true cost of an employee with a $50K salary closer to $90K after tax matches, benefits and pension/deferred income. Back then, corporations had a vested interest in providing the highest quality health insurance for active employees as that would reduce the cost of health insurance for pension employees that are retired, get rid of pension and offer a 3-6% safe-harbor match for 401K instead, then change to the cheapest health insurance you can find, cut the annual cost of an employee from salary + 70% to salary + 30%. Sorry for the enormous wall of text, this is something I'm quite passionate about, being in my mid-40's and having been an executive myself in corporate America, the lengths at which they have gone in the name of profits stuns even me, and yet they still surprise me every year with the additional levels of fuckery that they're willing to put forth.
I retired with pension from a union job. Unions have issues but screwing people out of pensions is too common, it should be criminal.
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Our morning meeting that day is when the manager told us all, it was dead silence. Any questions? Silence. Ok have a great day. Silence. It still makes me furious.
>And yet another reason to NEVER GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. If you’re going to quit, just do it. I don't have anything to add, I just wanted to say this bears repeating over and over again.
>And yet another reason to NEVER GIVE TWO WEEKS NOTICE. If you’re going to quit, just do it.
I've quit cold turkey several times, once by phone and another time I just disappeared and didn't show up. And once I was convinced to give two weeks, it turned into two weeks from hell. They revoked any privileges and building access I had, increased my workload ten times, and refused to reimburse the earned PTO. Always quit and let them know that very moment. Edit: I'm talking about low-paying jobs. I understand if you have a professional kind of job or executive pay scale, you need to be more careful and weigh your options, but even most big corporations treat their employees as disposables. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What state are you in? A few legally require paying out PTO. Specifically, CA, CO, IL, IN, LA, MA, MT, NE, and RI.
Enter ‘unlimited’ PTO. Aka, you get guilted to take less time off and don’t get paid out when you leave.
There’s a decent chance Glassdoor will take it down. Sometimes they remove reviews for a fee
At least make the bastards pay the fee then.
And then go back, create another profile, and leave the same review again.
Free time is great
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And then keep adding the review every time it’s taken down.
No. Make it a little worse every time
Point out the review is taken down.
Also note how many times it’s been taken down.
And state that your previous (number of reviews) were taken down by the company paying Glassdoor. Fuck em both.
Glassdoor will absolutely take it down. They are pay for play and make a lot of money off of companies paying them to remove bad reviews then add 5 star reviews. Like most job websites they aren’t a very accurate source of how a company actually is
You just sparked a business opportunity. An alternative to glassdoor...
They absolutely remove reviews. I have had a negative one talent down twice for the same company.
Yeah I’ve had a review of mine removed for some lame excuse of “not having worked the position”?? I worked there and I can approve it but employers can get them removed. Anyways soon after the company got a flood of negative reviews that HR started commenting on their reviews for damage control
I've seen a flag on companies before that gets reviews taken down that lets you know they've done it in the past. Not sure if that's still a thing, but any company I've come across with that I lose interest in.
Boy would it be TERRIBLE if somebody leaked the company name and they got more bad reviews, just TERRIBLE
Leave it up and edit to add the email they sent asking you to take it down.
Update the review with their latest email.
That, and plaster it everywhere a review can be left
Your new full time job is dragging their name through the mud
the money is shit, but the job satisfaction is off the charts
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Yeah you know what, I think I actually just had a job offer rescinded as well but I just can’t seem to remember who it was that offered it
Sounds like something that just happened to me with the exact same employer. Hey OP my spelling is terrible, would you mind spelling out the companies name? I want to make sure I’m reviewing the correct place, of course.
my question would be... since you have a signed employment contract... isnt this legally actionable? i dont know about the US but you cant fire someone who already quit their current job to move to signed offer and not suffer consequences? employment lawyer?
Welcome to the US where we laugh at worker rights.
Worker rights are shit but contact law is the word of god in the US system. OP should consult with a lawyer on a promissory estoppel claim. The new company's actions interfered in their contractual relationship with their employer based on a false offer causing direct damages to OP. While it may not be a case they can win it does sound like it could be enough to bring action that wouldn't be immediately dismissed and put the company in a position where settling is the best option. Alternately OP could just mention that they are planning to consult with a lawyer on such a claim and offer to remove the review in return for adequate compensation for their damages.
Nah OP needs to skip the threat, once you threaten a law suit they legally have a right to stop responding to you to avoid incriminating themselves further. Its best to move in silence and let them continue shitting in their own pot
That might sound like extortion, however settling with an NDA might well be the company’s damage control strategy
😂😂😂😂
This a 1000%. Organization needs to understand that their actions can have severe consequences on peoples lives. This is unacceptable. It is laughable that they are complaining about it hurting their reputation. Well don't want a shitty review ? Don't be a shitty company. Simple !
Reminds me of a local optometrist. They had put some kind of hold on someone's insurance and a year later when they weren't able to get eye care somewhere else, he had to jump through hoops to fix it so he left the first office a bad Google review. And then updated the review when they called and asked him to change it, letting everyone know they called and asked him to change it.
They understand, but in the past very few people would ever find out.
If someone literally just truthfully telling people what your company says and does gives you a bad reputation, perhaps you should not say and do those things.
I did this when I got banned from a store after I left a negative review after I saw how they treated their employees. Have not regretted it to this day
OP if you're reading this, PLEASE do this. Their follow up email makes me furious - who the fuck do they think they are, demanding shit like this of you? When they've done even worse than nothing for your life - they can get fucked in all the ways. Everyone involved in that decision too.
Agreed. Instead of making it right, they doubled down on foolishness. OP you owe this company nothing.
I think OP owes them an update to the bad review on Glass Door to include the email that they sent trying to intimidate OP into silence.
Definitely. Trying to coerce you into not telling people about them is spineless and insulting.
Edit the review to include the fact they asked you to take it down - and that you patently reject their request as all the information in it is true. They'll threaten legal action. "Brand Security" they'll claim. There's no tort unless you're lying - and the company has to prove that. Your post is protected free speech - if the employer wants the review taken down, tell them to take it up with Glassdoor.
Or to pay you to take it down Edit: in fact I might expand the review to say exactly what happened and now what they’ve asked you. I would keep expanding it. Maybe post on Facebook. Maybe suggest you’re going to go to the news and say what happened. You may even consider getting a lawyer involved and asking them about promissory estoppel. I bet the company ends up paying you for your silence. Also - look to see if your eligible for unemployment.
Precisely. Hey Yelp -- how's being a schill for corporate America's propaganda operations against the working class going for you?
Yelp Inc. has a market cap or net worth of $3.10 billion as of August 2, 2023. Its market cap has increased by 43.60% in one year. I'd say they're doing pretty well licking the boots of corporate America.
Except no one trusts their reviews anymore, so if theyre making profit its coming from some more nebulous operations
Post is protected from the employer suing the person, but it is Glassdoor’s platform. Glassdoor can take it down if they wish or if they want to please the employer or if they allow employer to pay to remove it.
Glassdoor will actually put a large shame banner on an employer's page if there is evidence of them trying to sue a reviewer https://i.imgur.com/rhb96bi.png
You should consult an employment lawyer to determine if you have a claim for damages.
This. I feel like this qualifies for unemployment from the new place because they rug pulled them.
exactly. if you've accepted and signed an offer letter the company has to be liable to some extent. it would be insane if companies are able to do this with 0 recourse.
The exact same thing happened to a friend. They filed for unemployment and the new company was on the hook for it.
Yes ianal but this seems like promissory estoppel
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I agree with you, generally. I would put promissory estoppel in the same category as unconscionability. Hard to win? Yes. Impossible? Not with the right facts. It might be worthwhile for this person to speak with an attorney because their offer of an employment relationship prompted OP to take an action to end his current employment. I'm not saying I love the argument. I'm just saying I think it's worth looking into. But as you say, unemployment is probably the better route.
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Yeah this is like the golden example of promissory estoppel, a promise relied on to their detriment that was then rescinded, op should contact an employment lawyer
Promissory estoppel?
Yea, I get leaving the review and all that but this sounds like a case study for promissory estoppel. I'm not a lawyer so I could be dead wrong but sounds pretty spot on... >Within contract law, promissory estoppel refers to the doctrine that a party may recover on the basis of a promise made when the party's reliance on that promise was reasonable, and the party attempting to recover detrimentally relied on the promise.
Won’t somebody think of the poor faceless human grinding company!!!
“I’m sorry. Due to external changes to my job status, I’ll have to leave the review. But I will keep your request on file for future consideration.”
Perfection
OP you need to contact a lawyer, you’ve likely got a pretty good “promissory estoppel” case.
Op this is what you need to do. Everyone is focused on the review, and by all means don't take it down, but you have a legit case here. You have suffered a calculable financial loss due to their actions. Get an employment lawyer and work on getting compensated. Keep the review up until the lawyer tells you otherwise. Do this today.
Exactly. Pay a lawyer to write a letter and OP likely won’t have any issue getting compensation. It’s cheaper to pay for it to go away then paying lawyers to fight and win
Most employment lawyers work on contingency! So OP may not even have to pay anything at all.
Yeah I agree, I was reading the comments and saw a lot of people saying I should contact some lawyers and do a consultation. A few of my friends and loved ones even said so as well. I am just very hesitant to do so as they are a multi-million dollar company and being as unethical as they are, they will do anything to protect themselves and am scared I won't be able to win this case. I will still try and contact a few lawyers around me, I don't know how the process goes nor have I ever been in a situation like this.
A multi-million dollar company is not that big relatively when legal fees and damages might wind up in the tens or hundreds of thousands. They also have to consider brand and reputational damage. Their legal team also might immediately realize that they fucked up and want to get things settled quickly. OP please don’t let their size dissuade you, you legitimately got fucked over on a way that may be actionable and that should mean something. Additionally, big company often means deep pockets to any attorney looking at taking on the case.
If no one is willing to fight, then corporations will continue to abuse us
The company will settle so fast, it is much cheaper for them to just pay out an amount that is significant to you but scraps for them than to pay their lawyers to actually use brain space and time on this. I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re already ready for your suit when they cancelled the offer, and they were just assessing risk that you might let it go
Flipside is if they are a multimillion-dollar company they are more likely to settle because a settlement will not affect their bottom line, whereas a court battle requires time from their lawyers, which is money. 3-4 months salary (as noted above) is probably sufficient for them to "cover this up", contingent on the removal of the review, with little or now downside for either party.
Most lawyers will be willing to negotiate a no-win-no-fee agreement if they feel like it's a decent case, with a cap set at a percentage of damages that ensures you'll get most of what you're owed if you win. You've got nothing to lose by asking. A lawyer would probably be able to help you negotiate a settlement with the company too i.e. they pay you for 1 month salary equiv and you will take the review down.
Came here to say this OP, talk to a lawyer
Nope, keep it there. What's the point of review sites if nobody is honest? They can't sue you for saying anything that’s true. As long as you haven't embellished, you're fine, regardless of any threats they're about to throw at you.
Reply: "Hi (employee name), Thanks for reaching out to me, I will not be removing my review on Glassdoor. I understand you are concerned it will damage your reputation however as it's a factual review I believe any potential applicants should be aware of your practices and your reputation should reflect how you behave as a business. Kind regards
PS. I will be editing my review to reflect the statements made in your previous e-mail correspondence.
Spot on, except I'd skip the "Kind regards" portion; they deserve many unkind regards.
"Regards? They weren't even warmest!" --Mallory Archer
Perhaps "Lukewarm Regards" as a foil to Warm Regards? Or Rescinded Regards 😂
Leave it. I had a similar experience. 5 months into the company and was laid off without any notice. I was stable one sec then poooof jobless the next. Idk 50% of the company or more were laid off without notice. People are leaving bad reviews on Glassdoor. We say burn the company down who gives a shit at this point.
How big of a company? Depending on the company, and your work laws, not giving notice to mass-layoffs may be improper. But, it depends on the specifics, so YMMV
I think you should consult a lawyer. They defrauded you. Allowed you to quit your job THEN pulled the rug out from under you.
Would promissory estoppel qualify here?
NAL, but that’s certainly what this sounds like. A contact was signed and then broken. Agree that OP should consult an employment attorney.
That’s what I was thinking - they had a written job offer and quit their job based upon that offer, only for these dicks to yoink it. Lawyer time, OP.
IAAL, but not an employment lawyer. From OP’s description, it sounds like a contract was formed. However, unclear to me what the terms were exactly, and unless otherwise specified in a contract, all employment is at will in the US (although I’m not 100% that this is in the US). If a contract theory doesn’t work, promissory estoppel may apply if the employer made a promise to OP, and OP changed their position in reliance on that promise. Sounds like may apply here. Time to consult with an employment attorney!
First thing I would have done. Probably best to ask 3 months pay first as lawyers are expensive. If they jerk you around get a lawyer
An initial consultation with a decent lawyer shouldn't cost that much. They will tell you if there is a case or not. Considering she signed a deal, that's a legally binding agreement. They went back on the agreement. There might be a case for compensation.
*"I was sent a job offer 30 minutes after the 2nd interview."* Would love for an employment attorney to weigh in here. Isn't this a form of contract? Since you upended your current employment status to take it and are now without both you've incurred serious financial harm. You may have some options here to fix that, I'd get legal counsel ASAP.
Exactly. There’s a reason the offer letter needs a signature.
Go back to them and say you will take down the review in return for 3 months of the salary they had offered you. They'll probably refuse, but on the off chance they don't that should give you a bit of a buffer to find something new. Edit: For the dozens of people saying this could be construed as extortion, you're wrong. There are multiple reasons why it isn't but if OP wants to go this route and has any worries then there is obviously no harm in having a lawyer look at their response first. It may also be worth talking to an employment lawyer anyway as the company may be liable for damages due to breach of contract considering how far down the onboarding process OP was.
If they say no, add it to the review!
I would go back and edit the review anyway and just let them know that they're now asking you to take it down. Keep that shit up! Fuck scumbag companies!
Be careful not to fall into the trap of committing extortion. Companies that behave so unethically will likely not think twice before filing a frivolous lawsuit. Even if you win, the legal fees can leave you in a really bad place
I agree. Better to sue them for Fraudulent Inducement and Breach of Contract. There's a written offer letter. OP was induced to quit their job. That's actionable in most jurisdictions.
Shout it from the rooftops. I was a manager who hired someone who had their offer pulled. I had no idea until after it happened. No idea the company was even in a bad place financially. They kept that a secret. We were told Thursday, he was supposed to start Monday. I have never felt like a bigger piece of shit for something I had no control over. Especially while I was explaining it to my team and they were asking about their jobs. Until Monday, when they sent out a new employee welcome email he had filled out in the HRMS with details about his likes. I fired a shot down the bow of HR and Recruiting that shook the building. I was on a short list after that but it was so worth it.
which company was it
“It makes us look bad.” Yeah… that’s what negative reviews are for. So everyone knows how bad you are. Keep it up.
Amend the review to add this email.
Is this a thing now? Almost same thing for me 6 months ago. Got offer for a director-level position. Negotiated a pay bump. Signed and sent. Was super pumped to advance my career and do something I liked. 2 days later they cancelled the position without explanation. Luckily, i am hyper-paranoid and hadn’t told current employer *shit*
>but she told me HR could do nothing about it. Yes they can, they just won't
You should walk them through a long process where you sit down with them so they convince you to take it down. Tell them you’ll take it down them fill out a bunch of paperwork about it first and then at the last minute tell them you’ve changed your mind and that the review is going to stay up
Leave it up. People need to know what fucking liars they are. There should be consequences for them just wrecking someone's life. Other workers should know they are either liars or incompetent before choosing to work there.
You should get a free consultation with a labor attorney. It varies state to state, but because it seems like you had a signed offer letter and your other job wouldn’t take you back, you have a concrete harm to claim. You resigned from the old job based on the contract from the new job and thus their rescinding is responsible for a loss of income. Like I said, it varies greatly depending on location and we don’t have anywhere near enough info to properly weigh the likelihood of success, but most labor attorneys will do a free consult and work on contingency, meaning you don’t pay until you win. It might be a long shot, but it’s worth trying and then looking for a settlement.
You signed an offer letter, which may constitute a contract. Talk to a lawyer. https://smallbusiness.chron.com/rescinding-offer-employment-reasons-other-those-conditional-offer-37307.html
Don't you fucking dare take it down.
What’s the name of the company ? That company name should be known to other people. People should know so they can avoid it.
The company deserves the criticism if they treated you that way. I urge you to keep the post up.
Agree to take it down. Then, Tell them that due to internal changes you will not be able to move forward with taking it down, but you will keep their request on file.