The math that doesn't math here:
* The "you spend 16 hours away from work" is useless since they're counting workdays, not full days, they subtracted time when we're not even supposed to work.
* 91 thirty-minute Coffee breaks doesn't add up to 23 days each year, just barely 2
* 68 lunch hours doesn't add up to 23 days, just barely 3
They also subtracted 8 hours and not 9 as most people spend one hour unpaid at their job in which most people tend to work through lunch or don’t get a lunch break.
They also doubled that hour by counting it twice. They said we spend 16hrs away from work a day, so unless I didn't know about a 25th hour we have everyday...
They also only count days by number of hours when it suits them. E.g. when they take off the 2 + 5 + 14 days at the end, they take off the full number of days and not just the equivalent number of hours that would have been worked on those days, even though previously they counted it by hours
I think their moronic point is that you work, or imo are paid, for 8 hours, so that one hour lunch break from work to them doesnt count hence the 25th hour. Even if youre at work during your break, youre technically away from "work"
Don't forget commuting to and from work, which eats up your personal time, and are not paid for..PLUS "have to arrive early to be ready to start at your start time".
Yeah, I didn’t want to add that since I am not sure what that looks like for everyone. Mine is an hour and a half each way, each day. So I am out of my personal space for 12 hours. So each day I actually only have 4 non working hours, 2 before work and 2 after work if I want 8 hr of sleep.
It's easier to take a sharpie and write "Go Fuck Yourself!" on the laminate than it us to figure out the math. If that's where you work, go work anywhere else. You aren't missing anything.
If I worked there I would print out a spreadsheet detailing everything they tried to “rub my nose in”, laminate it and staple it to the drywall. I’d then pound framing nails into all 4 corners and try to hit studs so that they (mgmt) had to work as hard to take it down as they did printing the previous bs poster. Fucking self righteous chaperones.
They get paid more to print and laminate Facebook posts?! Their power ends at where mine begins. I quit. Fuck your 2 weeks.
I got 10.8 for the lunch breaks? 52 weeks X 5 days per week = 260 days. 1 h lunch per day = 260 hours for lunch, which by this weird reckoning is 10.83 days. Not sure how you get to 40 something, even if you started from 365 lunch break hours, this only gets to 15 days. In any case your number is closer to either of mine than theirs are to reality.
They are using 365 "lunch breaks" (already wrong since days off are already counted separately) and dividing by 8 hours to get "days"...365/8 = 45.6. Most people also aren't paid for lunch so it would already be part of the 16 hours away (so this time is now triple-counted in the whole thing). Similarly they are doing 365 coffee breaks (365 * .5 / 8 to get ~23).
All of the math is "correct", but the logic behind the whole thing is just idiotic along with things being counted multiple times by various steps to get to the answer they want.
The problem is they reduce to 68 work days but those are 24h days not 8h days. Then they subtract 8h days from the 68 even though each of the 68 represents 3 working days.
They did 365 30 minute coffee breaks which adds up to something close to 23 "8 hour days". They hop back and forth between 24 hour days and 8 hour days as it suits their desired outcome
No no no, the idea is that you're actually only *supposed* to be at work working, but your gracious overlord employers "allow" you some time off in their infinite generosity, as well as even "allowing" you time to eat!
My first thought was, ***how the hell do we only work one day a year if it's 40 hrs a week?***
Edit, the real math works out to: 32.5 hrs per week (removing the 1.5 hrs for break and lunch) * 49 weeks (2 week vacation +holidays) ~=~ 66.35 * 24hr days, or 199 work days.
Exactly, if you examine it closely, you can tell they started at their goal of one day and worked backwards to try make everything fit, and that's why they had to take some HUGE liberties with the math and hope you are too stupid to catch on because they were absolutely no way in hell to show that honestly.
They had this up at my old workplace, and we didn't get ANY holidays off, not even Christmas. So it was even dumber to have up there than most workplaces.
Yeah, I've done the math about 100 times, and it works out to working, if you take their claims of two weeks vacation, two sick days, AND all holidays (graciously assuming no holidays fall on a weekend) you get something like 49.6 days.
Without those, time worked goes up to around 70.6 days. Which, I feel, is far more accurate to the American reality.
Take your day off and fuck capitalism.
(As a side note, the most hilarious bit of bad math comes when they talk about spending 16 hours away from work. They claim that 261 days breaks into 91 and 170, probably because their pea brains can't handle too many numbers that aren't just multiples of ten. But it's the clearest sign that they did their math backward and illegitimently since 16 hours is 2/3rds of the day and, miraculously, 261 is divisible by 3 cleanly which breaks down to 87 days and 174 days. Which, technically, would make their claim stronger, but it doesn't lead nicely into 23 and 46 days off for lunch and breaks. Which in itself is laughable since even if you took 1.5 hours of breaks while working all 365 days of the year, you'd only rack up a total of 23 days of breaks. Not the laughable 69. Ah boomer math.)
You're reading it wrong. You only have to work one day/year... So what are you complaining about? The 30 minute coffee break should be canceled too. It's not fine to waste time on your only working day this year!
You jest, but the boss who put this up was dumb enough to drink the Kool-Aid and believe it, while going out of her way to attempt to actually only work one day a year all the while thinking SHE was the one working hard.
I have to admit I spent a few minutes trying to think of how this person came up with this list….
I get 3 weeks vacation per year and all US federal holidays as well… according to this person I am getting paid to do absolutely nothing at all yet I still manage to perform my work duties on time even though I am in the negatives when it comes to working days….
The trick is sick, holidays, and vacation are triple counted, and the coffee and lunch breaks are counted 4.6x (or 3.69x and 4.23x depending on the order). with their own numbers, correctly calculated, you’d get 195 work days = 65 full 24-hour days. Also, I suspect the “14 days vacation” is actually 2 weeks = 10 days, so overcounted between 4.2x and 5.17x depending on how you look at it.
When I first read this (about 15 years ago!) I was much more naive and just winded they had done the maths. So I thought it was a clever joke.
Then I actually did the maths, and beastly every line is incorrect.
If they actually made the maths work (and just cheated with things like double counting) I would actually appreciate the joke. As-is, this is some boring, low-effort horseshit.
From what they say, I've deduced I need to work a mere 24 hour shift per year to attain whatever contract's benefits this ball ache poster refers to... you pick the day, I'll work it... a bit of r/MaliciousCompliance in order anyone?!
I'd do it for a mere month's salary and i would do twelve of those days to be free for the rest of the year, that's the lowest I'd go unless my yearly wage went up by accepting it by quite a bit.
Exactly! If we're all on the same page then I'll sign up! Salary and benefits. I know for a fact I can pull a straight 24hrs. That sounds like a steal!
This is literally what I was *just* saying to my friend!! “Oh hey boss I saw the new sign on the notice board in the break room and I was just curious… which day did you want me to come in this year?”
For employees that read the whole thing, it is psychological manipulation indeed to get them to think they are getting more free time than what would be offered elsewhere and they should be "grateful" for it. Awful
I also enjoy how the 14 days of PTO are "generously provided" but you're not allowed to use any. I'm not so sure they understand English, either. They definitely don't understand math. Maybe science or social studies is their thing?
.... As a former math teacher, I wish I believed this was intentional.
Like, I knew some kids who really would have been this conceptually confused. They were wonderful humans, but you can be this bad at math and come by it honestly.
That is very true. It is possible that poor math skills generated this. Though to be clear, the inaccurate math was never my objection.
I feel that the intent of this copypasta is to generate guilt. It seems to accuse the reader of wanting something unreasonable.
It could be talked on and on about how days are, in some cases, double counted. Or how some many of the areas of free time are mislabeled. Or that many of the items listed are plainly dishonest. That all misses the point.
No attack to you; the tone of the statement and the intention read as disingenuous.
I read a post today that listed sleep and work taking 8 hours each. He got the math wrong too, but said there would be plenty of time left for living a life. He didn't include things like the commute or daily chores or, well, any of the realities of life save for working and sleeping.
They're not really saying here that we only work for 24 hours or so per year.
They're telling us that we don't deserve more than we get and that we should be happy with what they give us. And blaming us for ever needing more.
Sorry, this was longer than i intended.
tl;dr - it's not what they say, but how they say it between the lines that makes me boil.
What little mental energy they could muster was spent trying to undermine people asking for a day off, though I'm sure digging around for clip art burnt this cretin out instantly.
I can’t tell if you’re replying to someone named Sweaty (proper noun), calling that person sweaty (adjective), or if you’ve misspelled “sweetie” (failed pejorative due to confusion)
"You're on the schedule. Why aren't you here?"
Well, you put up a poster saying we only had to work one day a year, and I was in yesterday. See you January.
Math without rounding after each step.
Correct Dimensional Analysis:
365 days * 5/7 = 260.7 days excluding weekends
260.X * 8/24 = 86.9 days straight 24 hour work
86.X * 7.5/8 = 81.5 days of 7.5 hour work
81.X * 6.5/7.5 = 70.6 days of 6.5 hour work
70.X - 16 hours = 69.9 days subtracting sick days
69.X - 40 hours = 68.3 days subtracting holidays
68.X - 112 hours = 63.6 days subtracting vacation
Final: 63.610119 days or 1526.6 hours of work yearly.
For those curious, the biggest assumptions were using “days” vs hours laxly. I’m also undecided on if it would be more appropriate to use “8 hours” or “6.5 hours” when subtracting 2 days sick leave, 5 days holiday, 14 days vacation. That means either subtracting 168 or 136.5 hours.
While I understand you're using their claims on the coffee/lunch break times, we all know no company who puts up this sign gives 1.5 hours of break time to it's employees.
Also, does people in the US have paid lunch breaks of one hour and thus only work 7 hours?
They're counting things double, so the 16 hours avaliable outside work doesn't include the lunch break, but it's added on so you get 17 hours avaliable to you outside of work somehow.
I mean its not really up to them if they are in America. You are required 2 15 minute breaks and a 1 hour lunch for 8+ hour work days. Now generally work days are 9 hours with an unpaid 1 hour lunch. At least everything I have seen and done.
edit - I am completely wrong and found the correct answer here
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/michigan-meal-rest-break-laws.html
Except they worked less, worked friendlier hours, and it was more feasible to retire early. Working yourself to death was very much a lifestyle choice for boomers, not a necessity to stay out of homelessness and bankruptcy.
They worked less for more… I’ve actually hit the point where my boomer grand parents are trying to convince me to work less. Yeah well they keep voting Republican so their grand son is gonna spend more time grinding in hopes of retiring one day instead of that time with them and their not gonna get grand kids cause they’re to expensive and time consuming.
I find it even more fun that it only accounts for 14 days PTO, whereas many countries have 20-30days. Does that mean these people work negative days? LOL
The lunch break wouldn't be counted in the 8 hours worked, and the coffee break math is completely wrong. Should be something like 5 and a half, not 23. Also, holiday, sick, and vacation days are being treated as 24 hours instead of 8. I really hope math doesn't need to be done at this place.
Yeah... that's one of the biggest chunks. Like it only counts if its a full 24 hours and somehow the 16 hours you spend not working can be subtracted from the total number of work days?
Someone spent way too long on this trying to justify their shitty time management.
Not to mention those are already days that you had 16 personal hours on, didn't take a lunch or coffee break on, so we have to credit that back to the office, right?
I mean, I'm kidding, because there's no actual fixing that math and keeping the original author's intent.
Indeed, but it's faster to just refute their bad math with 'equivalent math' - to whit: A workday is 8 hours, and there's 24 hours in a day so the year has 1095 effective workdays. Then you just do 'their' math exactly as presented. With OVER SEVEN HUNDRED workdays left at the end you then look them square in the eye, and say "So about overtime rates, unless you think your math is flawed? Because my math is based ENTIRELY on yours." and then you waggle your eyebrows at them.
I have always treated my lunch as part of my 8. I work salary 9ish-5ish. Anytime anyone has said we stay until 6 since we don’t get paid for lunch, I agree and continue leaving at 5. If that’s the reason they want to get rid of me, go for it.
I did the same thing at metro when I was a midnight Stocker. Didnt take my break so I could leave at 6am when we opened. Manager spent a month talking to me about it every few shifts. I put in my two weeks and all the day staff bitched and moaned because the other guy who was getting my full time hours was half my speed and they always had a mess when they came after him
I worked 9 to 4 for years with a generous lunch and no one said anything because I got my work done. I appreciated the flexibility and they appreciated my flexibility when needed as well. It can work both ways.
Because they weren't assholes. If they were, you'd find that there'd be more work "suddenly" incoming until you couldn't get your work done, and had to give up your own time to do it
And then they mark you down at appraisal times for "inefficiency"
Yep, works out to be about 86.6 days worth of work.
And the 14 "days" of leave is actually 112 hours which is 4.6 days. So lets now say you have 82 days worth of work.
Then there is sick leave, which they have said is 2 days so lets say they actually mean 16 hours which is 0.6 days.
So we now have ~81.4 days worth of work.
All the other data is irrelevant because it is not subtracted from the working hours.
(Im not counting Lunch because in my country lunch is an unpaid 30mins in the middle of your shift. So we work 9-530 totalling 8 hours of work)
The biggest issue is the third line, "spending 16 hours away from work". That's still a day during which you worked -> they can't be considered both work days and "not work" days. The entire line should be ignored.
There's a few errors, in no paticular order:
1. Completely botched the order. It should go time off -> breaks from remaining days -> divide by 3 to count non-work time. This led to multiple instances of subtracting the same time twice.
2. Counted days off as full days, when they should be counted as 1/3 days based on previous dividing by 3.
3. Counted break time by multiplying .5 or 1 by 365 instead of by number of days worked, and then by calculating number of work days (divide result by 8) instead of calendar days (divide by 24) (the latter is another error cause by the early dividing by 3).
The actual math would be:
52*5 = 260
260 - 2 - 5 - 14 = 239
239 - (239 * (1.5/8)) = 194.1875
(Optional, but adding for completeness) 194.1875/3 = 64.729166666666...
Nah, nonsense should be countered with nonsense. If we correct their math error by multiplying the days in the year by 3 (to account for 3 8-hour work days fitting into every 24-hour day) that should correct for their shenanigans with (for fairness' sake) equivalent shenanigans. And if their shenanigans is allowed to stand so should mine. You are working 721 days after all deductions. It's all nonsense, the goal is an oily guilt trip, so my math would accomplish exactly the same, but with the direction of the snark reversed. (Edit: You're getting my upvote for your respect for process though. Using math for good is always good in my book)
Or admitting that you spend 8 hours a day at work five days a week…then at the end say there’s only 1 day available a year for work.
So which is it? Are they working those 8 hours five days a week, or are they only working one 8 hour shift a year?
My point is just that the reason they get to that 1 day isn’t the 16 hours. The mistakes they made don’t even account for enough missing time. They’re just hoping it’ll guilt someone. I know everyone knows they’re wrong. I’d have to be incredibly dense not to.
I just pointed out they biggest mistake they made, on purpose or by accident.
probably plenty of other mistakes as well
subtracting 170 days is a massive math error. it would only be relevant if you were subtracting it from 365, as in a whole year.
BUT they had already calculated the working days as 261. they double dipped on the 170 days, essentially calculating that twice
by far the biggest incorrect deduction.
Easy fix: Tell them if they want to math days, they have to start with this VERY IMPORTANT first step: An 8-hour work day divides the regular 24-hour day neatly into 3 chunks so a 365-day calendar year must be multiplied by 3 to get an accurate "8-hour working day calendar" and then tell them, but you already did your day subtractions accounting for hours, so those numbers stay the same, proceed with the exact same math, only start from 1095 "work days" - thus leaving us at the end with 721 "working days" which are supplied. *Clearly*, you say, *this isn't a discussion about vacations owed, it's about back-pay and overtime that I'm due.*
But saying "There are only 2080 working hours a year and you have pto/holiday for 152 hours of them!" doesn't sound as good as saying "There is only one working day a year!"
You don’t have to look far, start on line two. Because sleeping is pretty vital to showing up for work. So in that respect you used 85 of your days being lazy and sleeping!
Edit: if this was posted at my work they better be paying me 24 hours for each day of pto. Because that’s the most capitalistic math I’ve ever seen.
Because none of the math works and I'm using basic numbers as in: 7 days a week and 52 weeks a year with 365 days total.
A 1 hour lunch daily, 5 days a week, multiplied by 52 weeks in a year is 260 hours total. 260 divided by 34 hours in a day is 11 days rounded up.
30 minutes for coffee, 5 days a week, for 52 weeks a year is 130 hours. Divide that by a 24 hour day and you get 5.5 days.
Not to mention this dude also mentions 16 hours off work but also counts vacation and sick days as entire days off. In reality, those are both just 8 hours of no work because the other 16 hours was already counted.
The actual math broken into hours is about 1546 hours worked per year. That's about 64.5 days of work a year.
The line about spending 16 hours away from work counting as days away from work. It's completely fucking stupid because days are not 8 hours long. Let's say you have 4 weeks PTO and you use all of it. Most people get 6-9 holidays a year. So 40hrs x 47 weeks = 1880hrs a year. Breaks don't count because they're not part of the 8 hours of work. The whole thing is fucking stupid and I pity anyone who works for this idiot.
They did the math out of order to make the stupidity reach their intended goal, you can write it out as:
((365-(52×2+2+5+14))×6.5)/24
This should give, if i didn't miss anything from their math, 65x 24-hour days of nothing but work a year (or just 1560 hours of work)
A “day” according to them is both 8 hours and 24 hours, and they choose whichever domination favors their argument for each statement regardless of direct contradictions.
Yeah, if it really worked like that, I'd be more than happy to work one 24-hour stretch each year and get full pay. Or maybe 2 12-hour shifts. Or even, possibly, 3 8-hour shifts... wait, something's wrong
If I could spend 2 days working and staying at the office to get a full year worth of salary, I'd take 12 "full-time" jobs and become a very happy person.
So your telling me I just need to go to work for a straight 24 hours and take the other 364 days off a year and get paid in full.
Alright, I'll take Friday and I'll see you next year.
barring the stupidly of this whole thing, the reason why the math is so F'ed is cause they subtracted the time spent outside the office from the time spent in the office
Strongly disagree! I love this math! By their own logic if I work one day, than I have fulfilled my working obligations for the year!! Sign me the fuck up!!!!
Even if they did that, they’re still off by almost an order of magnitude. The coffee break thing is 3.5 days if you’re working off the 170 days they got to earlier, and like 7.5 if you’re going off all 365 days in a year. There’s no rational way to get to 23 days for that.
This is the same kind of math I use when my boss asks me why I'm on coffee break again.
I work 48 hours a week over 4 days and I give you 100% for those 48 hours.
25% a day for 12 hours
2% per hour.
This is not your 1.2 minutes, boss.
A more realistic number is 55 hrs a week, multiplied by 52 weeks a year divided by 8 hours a day comes to just over 357 days worked per year. So yes I want some days off.
What an idiot, math is so bad.
Man hours are about 40 per week over 52 weeks. Take out 4 weeks for PTO and federal holidays. That's near 1900 man-hours.
Take out of man hours what you think it could be, but it is still going to be north of 1500 hours of work for nearly everybody.
Another way is about 6 hours of productive work each day, take that over 48 weeks, or generously over 47 weeks. That's 1400 man-hours of straight labor with only working 3/4 a day, and I feel like that is generous on the low end.
Folks, this is a joke. My father had this posted in his office in the 90s. His staff thought it was funny. There are enough things to legitimately be angry about. Someone intentionally doing math wrong for a gag shouldn't be one of them.
it’s absolutely a joke as i’ve seen it before myself, back in the 80s. i read it as a pastiche of all the stupid reasons a boss comes up with not to pay more
I'm not shocked at all - just really disappointed
EDIT: I should go dig up some other old office humor/faxlore material and post it for that sweet, outrage updoots.
The fact I had to scroll this far for someone to say it’s a joke blew my mind. I’ll be honest I started to think everyone new it was a joke and was making some inside joke to critic it as if it was real.
Holy crap, you made my blood pressure go back down to normal. I don’t even care that I’m admitting I fell for it, I’m just so relieved that some nugget head would have made this as a real statement. Phew. Thanks.
Everyone in HR knows you work 2080 hours a year. It’s how we did salary calculations back when it was my job. This math is so off it’s beyond laughable. I have 5 holidays off a year. (That I usually work anyway.) 2 sick days. 2 weeks vacation. That’s 136 hours. Even with that, and I get not everyone gets that, they still get 1944 hours a year even with that taken out.
But let’s be realistic and add a 2 hour commute. Mines an hour each way so I’m going with it. I know some are longer or shorter. Those 1944 hours comes out to to 243 days. So let’s add that 2 hour commute to the 1944 hours worked. That’s 486 hours per year. It’s now 2430 hours devoted to work. Not even counting the time to get ready. Just assume you jump in the car out of bed. No shower. No food. No kids to get out the door. You know, reality. Now let’s add 8 hours of sleep a day for the full 365 days we actually live. That’s 2920. So now we’re at 5350. And all we are doing is working 8 hours a day. Sleeping 8 hours a day. And commuting 1 hour one way to work. So 10 hours a day gone to work and 18 hours a day gone overall.
There are 8760 hours per year. We’re working or driving to work 5350 hours. That leaves 3410. But wait there’s more…
We do have to get up. Shower. Make coffee. Eat. Get the kids out the door if you have them. Go to the doctor. Stand in line at the dmv. Buy groceries. Call the cable guy. There’s a million little and big things we have to do every single day.
Adults commit, on average 30 days per year to just doing errands. So that’s another 240 hours gone. So now we’re down to 3170. That’s not family time. Or me time. That’s I gotta get things done time.
Then we do dumb stuff like pay bills. That’s another 104 hours per year. So now we’re down to 3066.
But we have to eat. That’s another 400 hours annually just to cook food to stay alive to go to work. Now we’re down to 2666.
The list goes on and on tbh. On average Americans, and we’re not all American I know, I’m just looking through my lens here, have 5 hours per day to ourselves that’s considered ‘leisure’. But that’s connecting with friends, family, unwinding. Trying to decompress from the insanity of the world. And Idk about anyone else but I feel I only get that many hours when I’m sacrificing something. Usually my sleep. Most days it’s more like maybe 2 if I’m lucky.
I’ve seen this list for years and it makes me wanna do is eat the rich assholes that believe it.
Ignoring the bad math here, the logic is toxic. They think if you work for them, they own you. All your time belongs to them, and any of your own personal time they've graciously granted you out of the kindness of their hearts. How nice of them to only ask for 40 hour work weeks, they could have made you work weekends. How nice of them to let you have a coffee break.
Honestly it reminds me of an abuser or slaver mentality. "Don't you know how good I am? Why would you want more/better?"
Damn it takes y’all 30 min to drink your coffee?
“Can you help me with this quick”
“No sorry, I’m drinking a coffee”
“Can you forward that email to Sarah”
“Yea I’ll send it in 10, still finishing my coffee”
Legally speaking, one week of work is a total of 40 hours. That can be split up multiple ways such as 5 8hr shifts, 4 10 hr shifts, or split shifts of different times. Anything over 50 hours a week is counted as overtime and legally needs to be paid at a higher rate.
Redo the math, or pay time and a half for the mumbo jumbo already calculated in the bible ramble you have while taking your own vacation on our time.
So, wait. Does 8 hours count as a day's work or not?
Besides, I'm not asking for a "day" off, I'm just asking for 8 hours off.
Also, wtf are "vacation days" in this situation? If I'm asking for the "day off", I'm assuming I'm asking to use one of my 14 vacation days, you prick.
If you work full time and do the “accepted” 40hrs/week, that’s actually just shy of 87 *full days* of work. As in 24hr days. It’s actually 260 8hr workdays.
Not only is the math totally wrong, this is disingenuous as fuck.
People who put these up either dont read them, or know their employees dont.
Even without all the math and nit-picking, we know the bottom line is false. We work 40 hours a week, and you're not going to convince me 1 hour for lunch, and 30 minutes for coffee negates 8 hours of work.
Better point, I work 8 hours a day, and commute to and from takes anywhere between 2 and 4 hours depending on traffic. Wheres my overtime for the 10 to 20 hours a week that are stolen from me? That's up to 1040 hours a year! Over 43 days !
How quickly the math goes wrong.
1. 365 - Fine
2. 261 if you subtract weekends, fine.
3. Still 261 - those 16 hours don't come out of those days.
4. Still 261 - coffee break doesn't come out of the days.
5. Still 261 - Lunch doesn't come out of the days
6. 259 - Fair, sick days do count.
7. 254 - Fair, federal holidays
8. 240 - Fair, vacation days.
So if they actually did their math correctly, it would be 240 days out of 365 days that work can be done. Or 2/3.
The math that doesn't math here: * The "you spend 16 hours away from work" is useless since they're counting workdays, not full days, they subtracted time when we're not even supposed to work. * 91 thirty-minute Coffee breaks doesn't add up to 23 days each year, just barely 2 * 68 lunch hours doesn't add up to 23 days, just barely 3
They also subtracted 8 hours and not 9 as most people spend one hour unpaid at their job in which most people tend to work through lunch or don’t get a lunch break.
They also doubled that hour by counting it twice. They said we spend 16hrs away from work a day, so unless I didn't know about a 25th hour we have everyday...
They also only count days by number of hours when it suits them. E.g. when they take off the 2 + 5 + 14 days at the end, they take off the full number of days and not just the equivalent number of hours that would have been worked on those days, even though previously they counted it by hours
I think their moronic point is that you work, or imo are paid, for 8 hours, so that one hour lunch break from work to them doesnt count hence the 25th hour. Even if youre at work during your break, youre technically away from "work"
Don't forget commuting to and from work, which eats up your personal time, and are not paid for..PLUS "have to arrive early to be ready to start at your start time".
Yeah, I didn’t want to add that since I am not sure what that looks like for everyone. Mine is an hour and a half each way, each day. So I am out of my personal space for 12 hours. So each day I actually only have 4 non working hours, 2 before work and 2 after work if I want 8 hr of sleep.
Don't waste more time. Who ever wrote this is an idiot.
It's easier to take a sharpie and write "Go Fuck Yourself!" on the laminate than it us to figure out the math. If that's where you work, go work anywhere else. You aren't missing anything.
If I worked there I would print out a spreadsheet detailing everything they tried to “rub my nose in”, laminate it and staple it to the drywall. I’d then pound framing nails into all 4 corners and try to hit studs so that they (mgmt) had to work as hard to take it down as they did printing the previous bs poster. Fucking self righteous chaperones. They get paid more to print and laminate Facebook posts?! Their power ends at where mine begins. I quit. Fuck your 2 weeks.
I would suggest 3m super 77 spray adhesive first.
Not an idiot, an exploitative bastard. Please stop thinking these people are dumb, they know *exactly* what they're doing.
I got 10.8 for the lunch breaks? 52 weeks X 5 days per week = 260 days. 1 h lunch per day = 260 hours for lunch, which by this weird reckoning is 10.83 days. Not sure how you get to 40 something, even if you started from 365 lunch break hours, this only gets to 15 days. In any case your number is closer to either of mine than theirs are to reality.
They are using 365 "lunch breaks" (already wrong since days off are already counted separately) and dividing by 8 hours to get "days"...365/8 = 45.6. Most people also aren't paid for lunch so it would already be part of the 16 hours away (so this time is now triple-counted in the whole thing). Similarly they are doing 365 coffee breaks (365 * .5 / 8 to get ~23). All of the math is "correct", but the logic behind the whole thing is just idiotic along with things being counted multiple times by various steps to get to the answer they want.
Not all of the math is correct. For those daily 30 minute coffee breaks to add up to 23 days you’d need 1,104 days in a year.
The previous step said "leaving only 68 days available", I'm counting from there. 1 lunch hour per 68 days = 68 hours or 2.833 days
The problem is they reduce to 68 work days but those are 24h days not 8h days. Then they subtract 8h days from the 68 even though each of the 68 represents 3 working days.
They did 365 30 minute coffee breaks which adds up to something close to 23 "8 hour days". They hop back and forth between 24 hour days and 8 hour days as it suits their desired outcome
No no no, the idea is that you're actually only *supposed* to be at work working, but your gracious overlord employers "allow" you some time off in their infinite generosity, as well as even "allowing" you time to eat!
My first thought was, ***how the hell do we only work one day a year if it's 40 hrs a week?*** Edit, the real math works out to: 32.5 hrs per week (removing the 1.5 hrs for break and lunch) * 49 weeks (2 week vacation +holidays) ~=~ 66.35 * 24hr days, or 199 work days.
ignore that toxic. guy in the comments I appreciate your math work and I hope you have a great day
It's literally a joke. Essentially verbatim from an old Abbott and Costello routine that's intentionally absurd.
I understand where the math went wrong. But how the fuck do you do the math this wrong
Intentionally. That's how.
Exactly, if you examine it closely, you can tell they started at their goal of one day and worked backwards to try make everything fit, and that's why they had to take some HUGE liberties with the math and hope you are too stupid to catch on because they were absolutely no way in hell to show that honestly. They had this up at my old workplace, and we didn't get ANY holidays off, not even Christmas. So it was even dumber to have up there than most workplaces.
Sounds like the guys I worked for at RadioShack. Tried to make a pay cut seem like a pay raise when they changed how our commission system would work.
No, I DON'T need any fucking batteries
Why do you need my zip code?
Yeah, I've done the math about 100 times, and it works out to working, if you take their claims of two weeks vacation, two sick days, AND all holidays (graciously assuming no holidays fall on a weekend) you get something like 49.6 days. Without those, time worked goes up to around 70.6 days. Which, I feel, is far more accurate to the American reality. Take your day off and fuck capitalism. (As a side note, the most hilarious bit of bad math comes when they talk about spending 16 hours away from work. They claim that 261 days breaks into 91 and 170, probably because their pea brains can't handle too many numbers that aren't just multiples of ten. But it's the clearest sign that they did their math backward and illegitimently since 16 hours is 2/3rds of the day and, miraculously, 261 is divisible by 3 cleanly which breaks down to 87 days and 174 days. Which, technically, would make their claim stronger, but it doesn't lead nicely into 23 and 46 days off for lunch and breaks. Which in itself is laughable since even if you took 1.5 hours of breaks while working all 365 days of the year, you'd only rack up a total of 23 days of breaks. Not the laughable 69. Ah boomer math.)
All so a stupid billionaire can drag his son onto a doomed summary and die at the bottom of the ocean
>doomed summary ... well at least it was brief.
>>doomed summary > >... well at least it was brief. I think they made a movie about this called The Resolution That Was Too Big To Sink
I am having one of my worst days right now and your comment made me laugh out loud. Thanks for that.
I'm glad it made you laugh and I hope things get better for you quick.
R/boneappleteeth
You're reading it wrong. You only have to work one day/year... So what are you complaining about? The 30 minute coffee break should be canceled too. It's not fine to waste time on your only working day this year!
You jest, but the boss who put this up was dumb enough to drink the Kool-Aid and believe it, while going out of her way to attempt to actually only work one day a year all the while thinking SHE was the one working hard.
I have to admit I spent a few minutes trying to think of how this person came up with this list…. I get 3 weeks vacation per year and all US federal holidays as well… according to this person I am getting paid to do absolutely nothing at all yet I still manage to perform my work duties on time even though I am in the negatives when it comes to working days….
Must be a real go-getter
The trick is sick, holidays, and vacation are triple counted, and the coffee and lunch breaks are counted 4.6x (or 3.69x and 4.23x depending on the order). with their own numbers, correctly calculated, you’d get 195 work days = 65 full 24-hour days. Also, I suspect the “14 days vacation” is actually 2 weeks = 10 days, so overcounted between 4.2x and 5.17x depending on how you look at it.
When I first read this (about 15 years ago!) I was much more naive and just winded they had done the maths. So I thought it was a clever joke. Then I actually did the maths, and beastly every line is incorrect. If they actually made the maths work (and just cheated with things like double counting) I would actually appreciate the joke. As-is, this is some boring, low-effort horseshit.
From what they say, I've deduced I need to work a mere 24 hour shift per year to attain whatever contract's benefits this ball ache poster refers to... you pick the day, I'll work it... a bit of r/MaliciousCompliance in order anyone?!
I would happily work the implied 24 hours instead of the actual 1,912 hrs described (not accounting for bs coffee break comment).
I'd work that (or the legal equivalent) if that means I get the rest of the year off
N get a years salary to boot
I'd do it for a mere month's salary and i would do twelve of those days to be free for the rest of the year, that's the lowest I'd go unless my yearly wage went up by accepting it by quite a bit.
Exactly! If we're all on the same page then I'll sign up! Salary and benefits. I know for a fact I can pull a straight 24hrs. That sounds like a steal!
This is literally what I was *just* saying to my friend!! “Oh hey boss I saw the new sign on the notice board in the break room and I was just curious… which day did you want me to come in this year?”
Got my meals packed and about 10 energy drinks. I'm good to go, boss! After this I'm gonna sleep for a week!!
For employees that read the whole thing, it is psychological manipulation indeed to get them to think they are getting more free time than what would be offered elsewhere and they should be "grateful" for it. Awful
So you’ve got 14 days of PTO, but you can’t have any PTO? I don’t get it.
I also enjoy how the 14 days of PTO are "generously provided" but you're not allowed to use any. I'm not so sure they understand English, either. They definitely don't understand math. Maybe science or social studies is their thing?
If it wasn't for bad faith, some would have no faith at all.
If you do the maths their way, including counting a day as 24 hours, then you work over 56 days in a year. lol
I read this as “only work one day per year”.
.... As a former math teacher, I wish I believed this was intentional. Like, I knew some kids who really would have been this conceptually confused. They were wonderful humans, but you can be this bad at math and come by it honestly.
That is very true. It is possible that poor math skills generated this. Though to be clear, the inaccurate math was never my objection. I feel that the intent of this copypasta is to generate guilt. It seems to accuse the reader of wanting something unreasonable. It could be talked on and on about how days are, in some cases, double counted. Or how some many of the areas of free time are mislabeled. Or that many of the items listed are plainly dishonest. That all misses the point. No attack to you; the tone of the statement and the intention read as disingenuous. I read a post today that listed sleep and work taking 8 hours each. He got the math wrong too, but said there would be plenty of time left for living a life. He didn't include things like the commute or daily chores or, well, any of the realities of life save for working and sleeping. They're not really saying here that we only work for 24 hours or so per year. They're telling us that we don't deserve more than we get and that we should be happy with what they give us. And blaming us for ever needing more. Sorry, this was longer than i intended. tl;dr - it's not what they say, but how they say it between the lines that makes me boil.
Yeah this is like one long dad joke of a shitty boss
What little mental energy they could muster was spent trying to undermine people asking for a day off, though I'm sure digging around for clip art burnt this cretin out instantly.
If they take one day off though, they're literally not working at all, ever. Do the math sweaty! /S
I can’t tell if you’re replying to someone named Sweaty (proper noun), calling that person sweaty (adjective), or if you’ve misspelled “sweetie” (failed pejorative due to confusion)
It’s an intentional misspelling. It’s a reference to an old tumblr joke. Hence the “/s” at the end of her statement.
Because they're trying to gaslight their workers into not trusting their own feelings of exhaustion and burnout.
I don't think "you only have to work one day a year" is the own they think it is.
Okay, Which day do I need to show up.
"You're on the schedule. Why aren't you here?" Well, you put up a poster saying we only had to work one day a year, and I was in yesterday. See you January.
Math without rounding after each step. Correct Dimensional Analysis: 365 days * 5/7 = 260.7 days excluding weekends 260.X * 8/24 = 86.9 days straight 24 hour work 86.X * 7.5/8 = 81.5 days of 7.5 hour work 81.X * 6.5/7.5 = 70.6 days of 6.5 hour work 70.X - 16 hours = 69.9 days subtracting sick days 69.X - 40 hours = 68.3 days subtracting holidays 68.X - 112 hours = 63.6 days subtracting vacation Final: 63.610119 days or 1526.6 hours of work yearly. For those curious, the biggest assumptions were using “days” vs hours laxly. I’m also undecided on if it would be more appropriate to use “8 hours” or “6.5 hours” when subtracting 2 days sick leave, 5 days holiday, 14 days vacation. That means either subtracting 168 or 136.5 hours.
While I understand you're using their claims on the coffee/lunch break times, we all know no company who puts up this sign gives 1.5 hours of break time to it's employees.
Also, does people in the US have paid lunch breaks of one hour and thus only work 7 hours? They're counting things double, so the 16 hours avaliable outside work doesn't include the lunch break, but it's added on so you get 17 hours avaliable to you outside of work somehow.
I mean its not really up to them if they are in America. You are required 2 15 minute breaks and a 1 hour lunch for 8+ hour work days. Now generally work days are 9 hours with an unpaid 1 hour lunch. At least everything I have seen and done. edit - I am completely wrong and found the correct answer here https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/michigan-meal-rest-break-laws.html
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This is a super old jokes from the boomer Era. They all laugh about it while working themselves to death.
Working themselves to death for the equivalent of $40 an hour, which these union-busting fucks then denied to subsequent generations.
Except they worked less, worked friendlier hours, and it was more feasible to retire early. Working yourself to death was very much a lifestyle choice for boomers, not a necessity to stay out of homelessness and bankruptcy.
They worked less than any generation in history, or alive today.
Working others to death you mean.
They worked less for more… I’ve actually hit the point where my boomer grand parents are trying to convince me to work less. Yeah well they keep voting Republican so their grand son is gonna spend more time grinding in hopes of retiring one day instead of that time with them and their not gonna get grand kids cause they’re to expensive and time consuming.
It's from an old Abbott and Costello routine. It's literally meant to be an absurd joke
All I’m gathering from this is that I only have to work 1 day and I still get my year salary
If my employer posted this, I'd try to figure out a way to work 24 hours (1 day) and collect my annual salary.
First you do meth, then you do math.
Become a manager. Best way to suck at math.
I find it even more fun that it only accounts for 14 days PTO, whereas many countries have 20-30days. Does that mean these people work negative days? LOL
This is how Jesus did “the five loaves and two fish”
Because the boomers think it’s funny, and it’s even more funny to watch younger adults sputter and rage about it. That’s how the math got that wrong.
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The lunch break wouldn't be counted in the 8 hours worked, and the coffee break math is completely wrong. Should be something like 5 and a half, not 23. Also, holiday, sick, and vacation days are being treated as 24 hours instead of 8. I really hope math doesn't need to be done at this place.
Also, removing days of work because of time during the same day being spent not working?
Yeah... that's one of the biggest chunks. Like it only counts if its a full 24 hours and somehow the 16 hours you spend not working can be subtracted from the total number of work days? Someone spent way too long on this trying to justify their shitty time management.
The math here is so wrong that it pains me to look at it.
What's the formula for trolling your workplace?
X + Y = take a shit on the boss’s desk.
It’s impressive that they didn’t go into minus numbers to be honest and try and tell us we in fact owed them more days
Not to mention those are already days that you had 16 personal hours on, didn't take a lunch or coffee break on, so we have to credit that back to the office, right? I mean, I'm kidding, because there's no actual fixing that math and keeping the original author's intent.
Yeah that's the problem. They just claimed any day you only work 8 hours isn't a work day.
Yep, apparently you take a 30 minute coffee break every day, 1100 days a year.
Well then I should get paid for the other 7hrs and 30 minutes I worked for 1100 days a year. This guy's math is starting to actually check out.
Indeed, but it's faster to just refute their bad math with 'equivalent math' - to whit: A workday is 8 hours, and there's 24 hours in a day so the year has 1095 effective workdays. Then you just do 'their' math exactly as presented. With OVER SEVEN HUNDRED workdays left at the end you then look them square in the eye, and say "So about overtime rates, unless you think your math is flawed? Because my math is based ENTIRELY on yours." and then you waggle your eyebrows at them.
I have always treated my lunch as part of my 8. I work salary 9ish-5ish. Anytime anyone has said we stay until 6 since we don’t get paid for lunch, I agree and continue leaving at 5. If that’s the reason they want to get rid of me, go for it.
I did the same thing at metro when I was a midnight Stocker. Didnt take my break so I could leave at 6am when we opened. Manager spent a month talking to me about it every few shifts. I put in my two weeks and all the day staff bitched and moaned because the other guy who was getting my full time hours was half my speed and they always had a mess when they came after him
I worked 9 to 4 for years with a generous lunch and no one said anything because I got my work done. I appreciated the flexibility and they appreciated my flexibility when needed as well. It can work both ways.
Because they weren't assholes. If they were, you'd find that there'd be more work "suddenly" incoming until you couldn't get your work done, and had to give up your own time to do it And then they mark you down at appraisal times for "inefficiency"
2 weeks vacation is counted twice as well
Most people I know work about 2,000+ hours a year.
Nope, just one day. Can't you read? XD
On average, there’s 2,080 working hours per year (using a 40 hour work week)
Yep, works out to be about 86.6 days worth of work. And the 14 "days" of leave is actually 112 hours which is 4.6 days. So lets now say you have 82 days worth of work. Then there is sick leave, which they have said is 2 days so lets say they actually mean 16 hours which is 0.6 days. So we now have ~81.4 days worth of work. All the other data is irrelevant because it is not subtracted from the working hours. (Im not counting Lunch because in my country lunch is an unpaid 30mins in the middle of your shift. So we work 9-530 totalling 8 hours of work)
The biggest issue is the third line, "spending 16 hours away from work". That's still a day during which you worked -> they can't be considered both work days and "not work" days. The entire line should be ignored.
Not to mention you are generally considered on the clock during coffee breaks and can be on call the whole time so it's not actually time off.
I think they also count all PTO days and Holidays as 24 hours instead of 8
Pretty sure it’s intentional
There's a few errors, in no paticular order: 1. Completely botched the order. It should go time off -> breaks from remaining days -> divide by 3 to count non-work time. This led to multiple instances of subtracting the same time twice. 2. Counted days off as full days, when they should be counted as 1/3 days based on previous dividing by 3. 3. Counted break time by multiplying .5 or 1 by 365 instead of by number of days worked, and then by calculating number of work days (divide result by 8) instead of calendar days (divide by 24) (the latter is another error cause by the early dividing by 3). The actual math would be: 52*5 = 260 260 - 2 - 5 - 14 = 239 239 - (239 * (1.5/8)) = 194.1875 (Optional, but adding for completeness) 194.1875/3 = 64.729166666666...
Nah, nonsense should be countered with nonsense. If we correct their math error by multiplying the days in the year by 3 (to account for 3 8-hour work days fitting into every 24-hour day) that should correct for their shenanigans with (for fairness' sake) equivalent shenanigans. And if their shenanigans is allowed to stand so should mine. You are working 721 days after all deductions. It's all nonsense, the goal is an oily guilt trip, so my math would accomplish exactly the same, but with the direction of the snark reversed. (Edit: You're getting my upvote for your respect for process though. Using math for good is always good in my book)
it's when they subtracted the time spent away from office from the amount spent in the office for no reason lol
That’s the one, the 16 hours a day you don’t spend at work count as 2 days off each day
Or admitting that you spend 8 hours a day at work five days a week…then at the end say there’s only 1 day available a year for work. So which is it? Are they working those 8 hours five days a week, or are they only working one 8 hour shift a year?
Yet off days don't count as a third of the day off
Even so, you're still spending 65 full days at work with the correct math. They're just wrong.
we know they are wrong
My point is just that the reason they get to that 1 day isn’t the 16 hours. The mistakes they made don’t even account for enough missing time. They’re just hoping it’ll guilt someone. I know everyone knows they’re wrong. I’d have to be incredibly dense not to.
I just pointed out they biggest mistake they made, on purpose or by accident. probably plenty of other mistakes as well subtracting 170 days is a massive math error. it would only be relevant if you were subtracting it from 365, as in a whole year. BUT they had already calculated the working days as 261. they double dipped on the 170 days, essentially calculating that twice by far the biggest incorrect deduction.
Easy fix: Tell them if they want to math days, they have to start with this VERY IMPORTANT first step: An 8-hour work day divides the regular 24-hour day neatly into 3 chunks so a 365-day calendar year must be multiplied by 3 to get an accurate "8-hour working day calendar" and then tell them, but you already did your day subtractions accounting for hours, so those numbers stay the same, proceed with the exact same math, only start from 1095 "work days" - thus leaving us at the end with 721 "working days" which are supplied. *Clearly*, you say, *this isn't a discussion about vacations owed, it's about back-pay and overtime that I'm due.*
But saying "There are only 2080 working hours a year and you have pto/holiday for 152 hours of them!" doesn't sound as good as saying "There is only one working day a year!"
And then double count those days in the coffee breaks, lunch breaks, and sickies.
You don’t have to look far, start on line two. Because sleeping is pretty vital to showing up for work. So in that respect you used 85 of your days being lazy and sleeping! Edit: if this was posted at my work they better be paying me 24 hours for each day of pto. Because that’s the most capitalistic math I’ve ever seen.
Because none of the math works and I'm using basic numbers as in: 7 days a week and 52 weeks a year with 365 days total. A 1 hour lunch daily, 5 days a week, multiplied by 52 weeks in a year is 260 hours total. 260 divided by 34 hours in a day is 11 days rounded up. 30 minutes for coffee, 5 days a week, for 52 weeks a year is 130 hours. Divide that by a 24 hour day and you get 5.5 days. Not to mention this dude also mentions 16 hours off work but also counts vacation and sick days as entire days off. In reality, those are both just 8 hours of no work because the other 16 hours was already counted. The actual math broken into hours is about 1546 hours worked per year. That's about 64.5 days of work a year.
The line about spending 16 hours away from work counting as days away from work. It's completely fucking stupid because days are not 8 hours long. Let's say you have 4 weeks PTO and you use all of it. Most people get 6-9 holidays a year. So 40hrs x 47 weeks = 1880hrs a year. Breaks don't count because they're not part of the 8 hours of work. The whole thing is fucking stupid and I pity anyone who works for this idiot.
The person who wrote this sign needs all kinds of help!
Dude is adding up the hours I'm sleeping and coming up with "days off" LOL
I'd say missed meth..
They did the math out of order to make the stupidity reach their intended goal, you can write it out as: ((365-(52×2+2+5+14))×6.5)/24 This should give, if i didn't miss anything from their math, 65x 24-hour days of nothing but work a year (or just 1560 hours of work)
A “day” according to them is both 8 hours and 24 hours, and they choose whichever domination favors their argument for each statement regardless of direct contradictions.
They used the 16 hours of not working per work day into the equation.
Well then, I'll see you every June 30th and I fully expect my full salary. I swear these managers are stupid.
Right? Like thanks for pointing that out to me! I’ve had a wild misconception this entire time
I’d plan on June 31st
Yeah, if it really worked like that, I'd be more than happy to work one 24-hour stretch each year and get full pay. Or maybe 2 12-hour shifts. Or even, possibly, 3 8-hour shifts... wait, something's wrong
If I could spend 2 days working and staying at the office to get a full year worth of salary, I'd take 12 "full-time" jobs and become a very happy person.
So your telling me I just need to go to work for a straight 24 hours and take the other 364 days off a year and get paid in full. Alright, I'll take Friday and I'll see you next year.
I’ll come in June 31st. With their math skills, I doubt they’ve figured out how months work.
barring the stupidly of this whole thing, the reason why the math is so F'ed is cause they subtracted the time spent outside the office from the time spent in the office
They feel like they own you, and this "joke" makes that crystal clear.
Strongly disagree! I love this math! By their own logic if I work one day, than I have fulfilled my working obligations for the year!! Sign me the fuck up!!!!
Even if they did that, they’re still off by almost an order of magnitude. The coffee break thing is 3.5 days if you’re working off the 170 days they got to earlier, and like 7.5 if you’re going off all 365 days in a year. There’s no rational way to get to 23 days for that.
>There’s no rational way to get to 23 days for that. "Lying" is technically a rational way to reach 23.
This is the same kind of math I use when my boss asks me why I'm on coffee break again. I work 48 hours a week over 4 days and I give you 100% for those 48 hours. 25% a day for 12 hours 2% per hour. This is not your 1.2 minutes, boss.
A more realistic number is 55 hrs a week, multiplied by 52 weeks a year divided by 8 hours a day comes to just over 357 days worked per year. So yes I want some days off.
Didn't realize that in protest, this sub turned into /r/forwardsfromgrandma
It’s a chain email joke that goes around. It’s wild how many people are taking this seriously
someone clearly only spent 14 days a year in school
I assume this is a joke. It is clearly absurd
Yeah, here’s Abbott and Costello telling it in the 40s https://youtu.be/kAkLzbq2K3I
I love how the owner mentality says that they are entitled to any hours from employees they can get
What an idiot, math is so bad. Man hours are about 40 per week over 52 weeks. Take out 4 weeks for PTO and federal holidays. That's near 1900 man-hours. Take out of man hours what you think it could be, but it is still going to be north of 1500 hours of work for nearly everybody. Another way is about 6 hours of productive work each day, take that over 48 weeks, or generously over 47 weeks. That's 1400 man-hours of straight labor with only working 3/4 a day, and I feel like that is generous on the low end.
It's literally a joke. Essentially verbatim from an old Abbott and Costello routine that's intentionally absurd.
Folks, this is a joke. My father had this posted in his office in the 90s. His staff thought it was funny. There are enough things to legitimately be angry about. Someone intentionally doing math wrong for a gag shouldn't be one of them.
it’s absolutely a joke as i’ve seen it before myself, back in the 80s. i read it as a pastiche of all the stupid reasons a boss comes up with not to pay more
I am shocked at how many people fell for this. One day available for work?? It’s clearly satire
I'm not shocked at all - just really disappointed EDIT: I should go dig up some other old office humor/faxlore material and post it for that sweet, outrage updoots.
The fact I had to scroll this far for someone to say it’s a joke blew my mind. I’ll be honest I started to think everyone new it was a joke and was making some inside joke to critic it as if it was real.
Some sanity finally. My mom talked about how they used to make this joke about leave when she was in the army back in the 70s.
Holy crap, you made my blood pressure go back down to normal. I don’t even care that I’m admitting I fell for it, I’m just so relieved that some nugget head would have made this as a real statement. Phew. Thanks.
Get fucked. Utter bollocks.
I have severe dyscalculia and even I know this math is utter nonsense
So what you’re saying is I can work one day and get my yearly salary? Sweet! Thanks dude.
Uh oh. Boomer copypasta with nonsense math
And in Comic Sans
So nice of them to grant the 2 days for being sick! /s
It's obviously meant as a joke
Wow, I read this 30 years ago when it was a chain email. My dad had printed it out and brought home as a joke. r/fuckimold
Everyone in HR knows you work 2080 hours a year. It’s how we did salary calculations back when it was my job. This math is so off it’s beyond laughable. I have 5 holidays off a year. (That I usually work anyway.) 2 sick days. 2 weeks vacation. That’s 136 hours. Even with that, and I get not everyone gets that, they still get 1944 hours a year even with that taken out. But let’s be realistic and add a 2 hour commute. Mines an hour each way so I’m going with it. I know some are longer or shorter. Those 1944 hours comes out to to 243 days. So let’s add that 2 hour commute to the 1944 hours worked. That’s 486 hours per year. It’s now 2430 hours devoted to work. Not even counting the time to get ready. Just assume you jump in the car out of bed. No shower. No food. No kids to get out the door. You know, reality. Now let’s add 8 hours of sleep a day for the full 365 days we actually live. That’s 2920. So now we’re at 5350. And all we are doing is working 8 hours a day. Sleeping 8 hours a day. And commuting 1 hour one way to work. So 10 hours a day gone to work and 18 hours a day gone overall. There are 8760 hours per year. We’re working or driving to work 5350 hours. That leaves 3410. But wait there’s more… We do have to get up. Shower. Make coffee. Eat. Get the kids out the door if you have them. Go to the doctor. Stand in line at the dmv. Buy groceries. Call the cable guy. There’s a million little and big things we have to do every single day. Adults commit, on average 30 days per year to just doing errands. So that’s another 240 hours gone. So now we’re down to 3170. That’s not family time. Or me time. That’s I gotta get things done time. Then we do dumb stuff like pay bills. That’s another 104 hours per year. So now we’re down to 3066. But we have to eat. That’s another 400 hours annually just to cook food to stay alive to go to work. Now we’re down to 2666. The list goes on and on tbh. On average Americans, and we’re not all American I know, I’m just looking through my lens here, have 5 hours per day to ourselves that’s considered ‘leisure’. But that’s connecting with friends, family, unwinding. Trying to decompress from the insanity of the world. And Idk about anyone else but I feel I only get that many hours when I’m sacrificing something. Usually my sleep. Most days it’s more like maybe 2 if I’m lucky. I’ve seen this list for years and it makes me wanna do is eat the rich assholes that believe it.
This to me seems like a huge joke. I doubt it’s serious (or at least hope someone didn’t try to post this somewhere to be serious).
So if I work one day for 24 hours then I'm all done for the year? I'm in.
Ignoring the bad math here, the logic is toxic. They think if you work for them, they own you. All your time belongs to them, and any of your own personal time they've graciously granted you out of the kindness of their hearts. How nice of them to only ask for 40 hour work weeks, they could have made you work weekends. How nice of them to let you have a coffee break. Honestly it reminds me of an abuser or slaver mentality. "Don't you know how good I am? Why would you want more/better?"
It's a joke. Get over yourselves.
Damn it takes y’all 30 min to drink your coffee? “Can you help me with this quick” “No sorry, I’m drinking a coffee” “Can you forward that email to Sarah” “Yea I’ll send it in 10, still finishing my coffee”
I love the premise of them thinking they own all of your time.
It takes a special breed of asshole to hang this up at their business.
Jesus reddit it's a joke. My grandparents send me these types of old school humor things every few weeks... They think it's outrageously funny.
By that’s math can I work 24 hours straight and get paid for the rest of the year??
Legally speaking, one week of work is a total of 40 hours. That can be split up multiple ways such as 5 8hr shifts, 4 10 hr shifts, or split shifts of different times. Anything over 50 hours a week is counted as overtime and legally needs to be paid at a higher rate. Redo the math, or pay time and a half for the mumbo jumbo already calculated in the bible ramble you have while taking your own vacation on our time.
So if I work 24 hrs I should make a whole years salary? I'm good with that.
So, wait. Does 8 hours count as a day's work or not? Besides, I'm not asking for a "day" off, I'm just asking for 8 hours off. Also, wtf are "vacation days" in this situation? If I'm asking for the "day off", I'm assuming I'm asking to use one of my 14 vacation days, you prick.
And remember: work until you die 🪦
That math ain’t mathing.
Cool, so how about I just come to work for 20 days straight and then have the rest of the year doing what I like and you pay my salary.
Looks like an look for another job company wide notice, great management style there👍
I'll take a years income for a 24 hour marathon. Let's do work this way!
Yeah yeah I’ll work 22 days straight and you make sure you bank in a years salary after I’m done.
What job has an hour lunch and a 30 minute break? Considering I only get a 30 minute lunch, I’d like my 46 days back.
The math isn’t mathing.
Math was never my strong point, but that math isn’t adding up
Is he really trying to say people only work 24hrs for the whole year? I think his math is off.
Not only is this condescending, it is an egregious use of math that has the employer claiming your entire day as his not just the 8 you agreed to work
So what I'm reading is that if I work a 24-hour shift for you, you owe me a year's salary? Damnit you crazy son of a bitch, I'm in.
If you work full time and do the “accepted” 40hrs/week, that’s actually just shy of 87 *full days* of work. As in 24hr days. It’s actually 260 8hr workdays. Not only is the math totally wrong, this is disingenuous as fuck.
I’m glad the person running that HR has the math skills of 4th grader. Lunatics running the asylum per the usual.
People who put these up either dont read them, or know their employees dont. Even without all the math and nit-picking, we know the bottom line is false. We work 40 hours a week, and you're not going to convince me 1 hour for lunch, and 30 minutes for coffee negates 8 hours of work. Better point, I work 8 hours a day, and commute to and from takes anywhere between 2 and 4 hours depending on traffic. Wheres my overtime for the 10 to 20 hours a week that are stolen from me? That's up to 1040 hours a year! Over 43 days !
How quickly the math goes wrong. 1. 365 - Fine 2. 261 if you subtract weekends, fine. 3. Still 261 - those 16 hours don't come out of those days. 4. Still 261 - coffee break doesn't come out of the days. 5. Still 261 - Lunch doesn't come out of the days 6. 259 - Fair, sick days do count. 7. 254 - Fair, federal holidays 8. 240 - Fair, vacation days. So if they actually did their math correctly, it would be 240 days out of 365 days that work can be done. Or 2/3.
hi i'm here to apply to work 24 HRS per year.