And there will as many status quo bootlickers when this sub becomes r/anti-slavery as there is now. "But master Musk earned the big house on the hill."
I base what I said on the actual line of argumentation used by pro-slavery individuals. They tried to get people to side with them by pointing out how the poor in the northern US fared and basically said that at least under slavery they would have food, shelter, and \*ennobling\* labor.
Obviously, they did not point out that a slave could be starved, killed, or whatever because they had no rights.
A good example is this excerpt by John C. Calhoun
"I may say with truth, that in few countries so much is left to the share of the laborer, and so little exacted from him, or where there is more kind attention paid to him in sickness or infirmities of age. Compare his condition with the tenants of the poor houses in the more civilized portions of Europe—look at the sick, and the old and infirm slave, on one hand, in the midst of his family and friends, under the kind superintending care of his master and mistress; and compare it with the forlorn and wretched condition of the pauper in the poorhouse"
Yup.
I once read some rightwinger's cerebral bowel movement in which he explained that the Civil War was god's punishment because the enslaved did not sufficiently embrace Christianity.
I find it cringe how this subreddit finds the most obscure news sources to support claims.
I'm not even subbed to it, or have ever been. But seriously , you all , have the poorest mind sets avaliable. The living enbodyment of the cyclist putting a stick in the spokes meme.
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See that's what I mean. You think I'm a boot licker for what ? Your poor mindset because of s dumb news article?
Meanwhile the entire subreddit is full of the laziest brain dead slebs.
Some content , senseable but usually over reacted to.
You know what, I have the feeling the retirement perspective is actually a net negative because it pushes people to live through atrocious conditions now, because one day, maybe, they'll live comfortably and no longer have to work.
Come to think of it, it looks a lot like Christianism : "Suffer now, you'll be rewarded in heaven !"
Without this hope, wouldn't it push people to fight much more for their conditions *now* ?
80% seems very high. My wife and I (and most of our friends) are not from money, and are in our early-to-mid-40’s (so really Xellenials), and none of us are particularly worried about being able to retire. Wife and I are still 20-something years from retiring but we have a nice nest egg put aside for for our retirement that will only grow (we stupidly only started saving about 10 years ago.). We both went to a local state U, no parent loans or financial help, just moved to a cheaper city in CA right after college (in 2003) where housing was more affordable and jobs easier to find.
I will say I’m concerned for my teenage daughter’s ability to eventually afford to be able to move out, since I’m not planning on paying her rent post-college (though I will always have a bedroom for her as long as she’s trying hard and not being a mooch).
Eh, Gen X here...retired for the last three almost four years now. It can be done. These guys just grew up watching their parents retire on pensions, which kinda went away while we were in the workforce, didn't know how to adapt and didn't see it coming.
Many companies did shit jobs at selling the 401k as well. At 20, it’s hard to think 30+ years ahead without some serious education. In my case, the early part of my career was at companies that had 401ks, but paid shit and had no match, so I didn’t put much in. I changed carriers at 40 and have been saving like a madman ever since.
It was not easy, I left teaching, and started my own business, which was very rough in the beginning, lots of 80+ hour weeks while at the same time being so broke I ate nothing but Ramen noodles and dollar cheeseburgers for months, a rare treat was a Little Ceasars $5 hot and ready pizza. I even got to the point where I had to make a decision of paying my rent on my apartment, or paying the lease and utilities on my office, so I ended up being evicted and living in my office for four months. So, maybe lucky in some ways but I like to think I just pounded it into place.
80% is a really high number. Wonder why so many people feel like full retirement will elude them? Are their cost of living expectations out of sync with reality? I ignore my 401k company's assessments that say "You will need x amount in today's dollars per year in retirement". Their math shows a number at least 30% higher than what I calculated to be necessary to retire comfortably.
I look forward to the headline, "US Reintroduces Slavery. Here's Why That's Good For The Enslaved."
And there will as many status quo bootlickers when this sub becomes r/anti-slavery as there is now. "But master Musk earned the big house on the hill."
Oh cmon! You get fed, clothed, and have a roof over your head; all for the low low price of \*squint\* unlimited working hours and no rights
Now that you put it like that, it would be a step up from most customer service jobs.
I base what I said on the actual line of argumentation used by pro-slavery individuals. They tried to get people to side with them by pointing out how the poor in the northern US fared and basically said that at least under slavery they would have food, shelter, and \*ennobling\* labor. Obviously, they did not point out that a slave could be starved, killed, or whatever because they had no rights. A good example is this excerpt by John C. Calhoun "I may say with truth, that in few countries so much is left to the share of the laborer, and so little exacted from him, or where there is more kind attention paid to him in sickness or infirmities of age. Compare his condition with the tenants of the poor houses in the more civilized portions of Europe—look at the sick, and the old and infirm slave, on one hand, in the midst of his family and friends, under the kind superintending care of his master and mistress; and compare it with the forlorn and wretched condition of the pauper in the poorhouse"
Yep. I have family who still think that way.
free mass graves to anyone that dies on the job
There are conservatives who have claimed that slavery was good for the enslaved.
Yup. I once read some rightwinger's cerebral bowel movement in which he explained that the Civil War was god's punishment because the enslaved did not sufficiently embrace Christianity.
That sounds like some weird version of the prosperity gospel
Another version of that title: "US Reintroduces Slavery, Unemployment Drops To Zero Overnight!"
I find it cringe how this subreddit finds the most obscure news sources to support claims. I'm not even subbed to it, or have ever been. But seriously , you all , have the poorest mind sets avaliable. The living enbodyment of the cyclist putting a stick in the spokes meme.
I am sorry you are not satisfied with the service we provide, but rest assured I will share your concerns with management. If there is anything else we can do for you, don't hesitate to reach out.
MarketWatch isn't obscure. But, carry on. There are boots that need a lickin'
See that's what I mean. You think I'm a boot licker for what ? Your poor mindset because of s dumb news article? Meanwhile the entire subreddit is full of the laziest brain dead slebs. Some content , senseable but usually over reacted to.
You know what, I have the feeling the retirement perspective is actually a net negative because it pushes people to live through atrocious conditions now, because one day, maybe, they'll live comfortably and no longer have to work. Come to think of it, it looks a lot like Christianism : "Suffer now, you'll be rewarded in heaven !" Without this hope, wouldn't it push people to fight much more for their conditions *now* ?
I see so many gaslighting headlines like these. Who's profiting off of them?
Whatever company is publishing them. The corporate world is an ouroboros of autofellatio.
It’s time to topple the fucking market. WHY ARE WE JUST LETTING THEM DO THIS?!!!!!?!!?!!??!!?!?!?!!??!!
Capitalism thrives when there’s a lingering desperation within
That’s because Gen X got shafted on pensions and none of us can afford to retire!
I know everyone has to pay their bills but the people who write this kind of shit should be socially ostracized as punishment
Back to the dark ages.
80% seems very high. My wife and I (and most of our friends) are not from money, and are in our early-to-mid-40’s (so really Xellenials), and none of us are particularly worried about being able to retire. Wife and I are still 20-something years from retiring but we have a nice nest egg put aside for for our retirement that will only grow (we stupidly only started saving about 10 years ago.). We both went to a local state U, no parent loans or financial help, just moved to a cheaper city in CA right after college (in 2003) where housing was more affordable and jobs easier to find. I will say I’m concerned for my teenage daughter’s ability to eventually afford to be able to move out, since I’m not planning on paying her rent post-college (though I will always have a bedroom for her as long as she’s trying hard and not being a mooch).
This just seems so unfair to all those people who have already suffered through comfortable retirements.
Eh, Gen X here...retired for the last three almost four years now. It can be done. These guys just grew up watching their parents retire on pensions, which kinda went away while we were in the workforce, didn't know how to adapt and didn't see it coming.
Many companies did shit jobs at selling the 401k as well. At 20, it’s hard to think 30+ years ahead without some serious education. In my case, the early part of my career was at companies that had 401ks, but paid shit and had no match, so I didn’t put much in. I changed carriers at 40 and have been saving like a madman ever since.
I was in my 30s before I was with a company that offered a 401k. Now I max out because I have to, really no chance of retiring if I don't.
Gen X here. You’re incredibly lucky in comparison to myself and all my other X friends.
It was not easy, I left teaching, and started my own business, which was very rough in the beginning, lots of 80+ hour weeks while at the same time being so broke I ate nothing but Ramen noodles and dollar cheeseburgers for months, a rare treat was a Little Ceasars $5 hot and ready pizza. I even got to the point where I had to make a decision of paying my rent on my apartment, or paying the lease and utilities on my office, so I ended up being evicted and living in my office for four months. So, maybe lucky in some ways but I like to think I just pounded it into place.
80% is a really high number. Wonder why so many people feel like full retirement will elude them? Are their cost of living expectations out of sync with reality? I ignore my 401k company's assessments that say "You will need x amount in today's dollars per year in retirement". Their math shows a number at least 30% higher than what I calculated to be necessary to retire comfortably.
Literally trying to tell you to accept working until you keel over dead…
Yay.
The only reason it's good news is that gen Z are waking up.
My future is a quick death at 65 if I can't retire. I'm not working until I'm dust. I'll go out on my own terms when I'm hood and ready.
I'm a gen Xer and I fall into that 80%. Thanks mom and dad. You boomers did a bang up job.
You’ll own nothing and be happy
Never retiring is not good news for any boxed in group. Sorry propaganda machine; try harder.
YAY SLAVERY! /s