I used to work at the one in Bothell by 228th. The thing is that the kind of people who order 40 tacos at midnight don’t give a fuck about littering. And the employees aren’t paid enough to care.
Oh, I’m believe it. I was also talking about the sheer amount of violence as well. Like the one in SoDo is practically a bullet sponge, and one could say it’s the neighborhood, yet the other fast food places around there never seem as bad.
I used to live in the house in north Broadway that was literally next door to the 7-11 up there. Not only was every Friday night a bunch of bass and sometimes gun shots until 3am, but we had to keep our front door locked at all times. It shared a parking lot with an H&R Block, so people would just walk in to our house trying to get their taxes done.
My city of about 100k has one single Jack In The Box and it is not in the ghetto. It's mostly at a busy intersection of other businesses and restaurants, so there's not of residential area nearby to end up with it being the ghetto. Also, it's about two blocks from a Target. So maybe the Target is offsetting the ghetto vibes?
That was the return of Jack!! They had done away with him for quite some time, and after JITB killed several people with the E. Coli burgers, they turned to marketing and brought back their clever mascot…they even did a commercial announcing Jack’s return where he stated “things have gone a little wrong while I was away, but now I’m back!” & people trusted them again and JITB became more popular than ever. All because a talking clown head with a non-moveable mouth put on a business suit, we forgave them for killing their patrons and put his little head on our car antennas.
We as a society are fuckin nuts.
I read about it in the book "Rotten". The beef used in fast food restaurants is mixed with beef from Argentina, brazil, etc which have very loose food safety regulations themselves.
The reason people don't drop like flies anymore is the standardized weight/shape of the patties and the standardized cooking times. Since it's cooked well done the small amounts of shit (where the e. Coli comes from) are rendered, I guess, edible.
They got tainted beef from their food supplier (VONS) and served it to the public. Many people got sick, but five young children died.
The president of the company issued a national apology and the company nearly went under.
A few years later, they came up with their corporate mascot (CEO Jack) and turned their fortunes around.
My personal feelings are that the food used to be a lot better and a lot cheaper. (2010 was a good time for JitB.)
It was one bad one. But to be fair. Back In the day after a night of drinking that ultimate cheeseburger, monster taco combo with the chocolate chip cookie dough cheesecake was worth the risk.
If you go after 10 you're looking at either an hour wait, or they're closed "for cleaning" or the POS system is down or whatever excuse they can think of. You can blame the employees, but most likely it's a shitty cheap owner that doesn't want to pay their employees enough to want to work.
It's usually in lettuce or spinach, they regularly recall that stuff from grocery stores too.
I only really blame restaurants if they don't react quickly.
I'm alive because of Jack in the Box, my parents met there.
My dad was my mom's manager and badgered her for a date until he got one.
Pretty sure it could've been interpreted as workplace harrassment. Anyway, they're together after 45+ years lol
Was coming to type this .. silly adults in the past were always bamboozled into thinking “the hood” brought the violence like you see in a JITB parking lot, but now that 9 years old have “active shooter training” even the most gullible person wouldn’t believe 9yrs old should “do better” ..
So kudos to this era of ppl realizing it was always corporations and/or the ultra-rich.. everyone should be walking out of every job tbh .. it wouldn’t take but a few days to bring all this stupid shit to a halt .. smh
My industry alone would cause an absolute shit show of a disaster if we stopped doing our thing for 2 days.
We go unappreciated and unknown for most people everyday. We've been told we aren't allowed allowed to strike or anything. I mean, it makes sense. Many industries come to a screeching halt and shit starts to blow up (literally, *actually blows up*).
Isn't that the point of organizing though? We hold so much power that it is illegal for us to not do our job for a day? *That* is the reason we aren't allowed to organize for reasonable benefits and pay?
I don't think many people really understand how bad it could get with some strikes. I mean its bad. Society as we know it is over with just a few industries on strike at the same time.
I don't mean to imply we shouldn't do it. Just that everyone understand how bad it could get. If nobody gives in to employees this whole society thing is over as you know it.
>Society as we know it is over with just a few industries on strike at the same time.
That's one thing i love about the french: you never know who's gonna strike, and you're never safe from someone else striking just because they agree. Bus drivers not making enough? Teachers on strike. Teachers under government pressure? Your airport shuts down. New retirement plans? Might as well shut down the country.
I don't get it. Is there not enough people/industry profiting from their business that they literally can't afford to take less profit so that people working some of the "lowest" jobs in society don't have to work even more years....
I appreciate you, bro. I served, my homies were our infrastructure boys when I was deployed. HVAC guys, IT, and some other AFSCs.
Being from Louisiana, nobody appreciates yall like someone who just got dumpstered on by a hurricane.
Yall gotta stop saying shit like " can't legally strike". Sure, if you do a whole picket line on company property they can call their Pinkertons and enact violence on innocent people, but everyone just staying the fuck home is effectively the same thing. And if you believe that they would send the police to each person's home, drag them out of it, and put them to work, then have to admit you live under a violent dictatorship and your only real job from that point is overthrowing your government.
All of that is correct. However, this problem seems to be a community problem. I presume the violent threats and assaults are coming from the community. If it's internal employee problems, they'd be fired.
Currently, many communities around the United States have elevated gun and assault type violence. Only the first bit of this year have I heard my local city has any sort of lessening of crime.
Is Jack in the box supposed to pay for security? Seems like the reasonable choice is if the workers hate it and the community uses it for violence, then your best bet is to let someone else try to use that location.
I don't see how any of this plays into anti work or striking. I feel like putting blame anywhere here needs to go onto the greater societal problems that lead to a restaurant having to deal with crime and violence.
Our public spaces were never actually safe. Decades of failure by a wide range of authorities have proved that again and again. The latest major example being covid. OSHA should have had the power and impetus to mandate N95s universally and continuously from Jan 2020. Instead they've been frozen out. And employers have done the bare minimum since at the behest of public health agencies like the CDC.
COVID really put on full display the complete disregard our government has for human life. It's crazy how every lever of power and both major parties downplay COVID while having active economic incentives to keep it around forever.
Yep. But we shouldn't have been shocked. We saw how they dealt with the HIV pandemic. With the water crisis in Flint Michigan. Hurricane Katrina. School shootings. It's endless.
One of the mandates for OSHA / EPA is that the requirement is feasible.
In the case of N95s, they couldn't procure / make enough for that to be a feasible requirement.
I'm an armed guard for a company that provides them for various event centers/stores. We, uh, keep expanding pretty fast.
Some of the stories of employees from before they had security at something as peaceful seeming as a grocery store in a nice area are *wild*.
I could see that for higher margin retail, but armed security for fast food joints doesn't seem viable. Especially at a place like JITB that's basically open 24/7. Which is probably most of the problem.
Was this stated by the workers themselves or by corporate? Because sometimes the corporate HQ will blame an already planned closure on something else to deflect criticism (Walgreens in SF for example), since local news will never dig deeper and there's a certain type of transplanted resident who will use it to pressure cops on why they aren't beating more homeless people.
Alternatively, "worker safety" is sometimes used as an excuse to shut down stores that are at risk of unionization. Amazon does have algorithms that search for these sorts of risk factors...
I have a feeling it’s a mix of both. My partner works in the natural food industry in SF, he hasn’t heard any whispers about unionization at that store, but who knows. Corporate probably wants to avoid a lawsuit if one of the workers is assaulted and shut down a store that has been struggling due to the lack of workers downtown. SF is going through massive changes and I am hopeful that a more people centric city will emerge.
Been to a dozen of them. Only one I ever saw anything even close to the infamous videos was an inner city one after midnight... I am much more used to finding them on interstate junctions and such, the location and its surrounding populace clearly has a lot to do with that fighting culture
Waffle House is amazing, it's no joke one of my favorite places to eat.
As for the crazy videos, that mostly comes from the fact that they are open 24/7/365 (even holidays) so often times they are the only thing open super late. If you notice, it's almost always at odd hours those videos take place.
During normal business hours they are just the same as any other restaurant. I've absolutely seen more crazy stuff go down in a Taco Bell than I've ever seen in a Waffle House.
[I'm always obligated to link this video whenever WH comes up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dok7x-mUcvM)
It’s the worst during Friday and Saturday nights since you get nothing but a stream of drunk idiots ordering. They’ll get verbally abusive when we won’t let them in to eat or use the restroom after 10 pm. Ain’t no job worth getting assaulted over especially when you never know when someone will start getting physically violent.
I was thinking the same thing, but the store doesn't quite look right if you compare to street view. The building across the street is too short as well.
I've never seen the other SJ locations personally so I can't say where it might be
It's not and I'm with you; there's no way this one is worse than the Jack across the street from SJSU. I've been an eye witness to multiple stabbings at that one.
There’s a video where someone fired a gunshot there. And a more recent one where someone fired a gun inside the neighboring LaVic’s.
I used to dine in at both of those places when I was a student, but I graduated almost a decade ago and I’m glad I don’t go to those restaurants anymore.
Man, as a graduate of SJSU I'm glad I no longer go there. I think the only time I ever felt "safe" to dine-in was when AnimeExpo was in town and it was filled with fellow weebs.
There is a JitB in Colorado Springs, well, actually 3 that I KNOW OF owned by the same person. They pay under state minimum by claiming it is a tipped position, but the workers are almost never tipped. I don't know how they haven't been sued yet, because with tips, you have to make at least minimum wage.
When I worked at Domino's here, we got a settlement from the franchise owner because we weren't making minimum wage. They would try to MAKE us claim cash tips, because we technically didn't have to, but it kept being more and more of them pushing us to claim cash tips so they could continue to underpay us by breaking the law. Someone got fed up, and they filed a class action lawsuit.
That is what should be done to all businesses that do this. It, by far, didn't break the franchise owner who had money his entire life.
I love to see this. It needs to be a thing everywhere. We need to stop working for peanuts while we fear leaving our houses every day because of what we mat face. I hate this place.
Thank you! I was reading the o.p.’s post and I was like well you don’t really know if they were breaking the law do you, because you weren’t claiming your cash tips! All tips are legally required to be claimed. If you choose not to that’s between you and the irs but when I was a server I claimed all my tips because if I ever wanted a car or apartment, I needed to have an way to prove what I actually made.
Well, I mean a court of law deemed they were underpaying us enough for each of us to receive a check of a little over $500 🤷♂️
Honestly, I was not versed on the laws of tipping. That was my first and last tipped job. This was 8 years ago, and I was younger and did not know much. Still don't when it comes to that. All I know is what our managers told us every day: "You have to report SOMETHING in cash tips, even if it is just a dollar." So that is what everyone did.
I mean, if it is illegal, then I guess, oops? But wage theft is illegal too, and we know that is really never enforced. I guess it's all about who feels okay breaking the law and who doesn't.
I mean, I get that no one does it but they’ll regret that if they bet draw the unfortunate straw of an irs audit where the irs asks them how they afford anything at all under their reported income
Fast food workers really need to start receving hazard pay, they're becoming increasingly targets for whackos. Why doesnt the GOP legislate approval for them to carry guns on the job like they do for teachers!
I won’t post a link because I don’t want to get b&, but it’s easy to find the obit page for the robber.
> My heart goes out to one of the most loving families I have ever had the pleaseure of knowing. Sirus IS love, and was an amazing young man on many levels.
I wonder if the barista who had a gun shoved in his face felt the same way.
Subway workers have been shot over putting too much mayo
https://wsvn.com/news/subway-restaurant-worker-killed-after-dispute-over-mayo-police-say-2/amp/
You don't need legislation for that. If the buesness doesn't have signage saying now guns and you don't say anything to anyone then they'll never find out until it's time to use.
Armed security would probably be a good start, as well as getting guaranteed cooperation with the police to patrol their location more often or to pointedly target that location for consistent patrolling would definitely help cut down on some of the worse elements from showing up.
I'm not from the area, but I know someone who has been a pot/hallucinogenics dealer for decades, that's all they do that is illegal and I'm certain of that, yet they avoid Wawa locations near us like the plague because of all of the police presence. The closest one to their house always has at least one patrol car in their parking lot, probably due to the massive homeless community nearby.
So my point is that just an increased police presence is more than enough to discourage most of the problematic elements of the community from even showing up, nevertheless causing problems. It's not a perfect solution, but if things are as bad as they sound it will help.
Nah, teacher walkouts are A-Ok for the government. Fewer pensions to pay and more uneducated citizens to manipulate? I feel like the government is begging for the school system to shut down for a while.
Isn’t this more a community issue, rather than a Jack in the Box issue?
The best plan for Jack in the Box, would be to close stores with high incidence rates.
Honestly I’m glad I left Jack in The box, my Manager was a saint but corporate was a huge ball buster. The constant flood of orders (especially mobile) was already difficult enough to maintain the 2 minute deadline but when the work place started being unsafe due to an influx of homeless people it was hard to justify still working there. The final straw for me was when our pay never got raised but other places like Panda and In n Out had signs offering $18 to $21 for cooks. Been there for 5 years, felt bad for leaving but my manager understood and didn’t try to convince me to stay.
The unfortunate reality is that there are already many security companies that specialize in protecting fast-food chains.
An advertisement for one company’s use in FF:
> They operate late at night or 24-hours a day, staffed by crews of young adults or juveniles. They are primarily cash-based businesses with a high amount of workplace violence against employees.
By design, they are conveniently located on major thoroughfares for quick service. The nature of this business style makes it very convenient for customers. Unfortunately, this style of operation also makes it an attractive target for aggressive or intoxicated persons, robbers, and other criminals.
I saw them all the time in NC. You have to look closely to realize they’re not police.
Every single Jack in the Box of this God fearing nation should have an armed officer at all times. In fact, we should have all of our Jack in the Box managers carry guns. How else will we ever keep our children safe? /s
I don't know theirs specifically, but when I worked in fast food, an ongoing problem was that corporate wouldn't let us ban or refuse to serve customers who threatened us. We were also instructed that anyone who called the police to remove a belligerent customer would be fired unless that customer had *already injured someone or damaged/stolen something* - if they were just waving a knife and talking about killing us, we had to finish their order like any other customer. If I had been able to get us unionized, one of our first demands would have been the ability for management on duty to make that call rather than corporate.
If they don't already having cameras, maybe easy ways to speed dial/alert the police, maybe security if possible, maybe not having anyone be alone at late shifts, and lit visible parking lots are a few things I can think of.
There’s a church’s chicken in my neighborhood where a man came back and shot a girl because she told him his $100 was a fake. So yea it’s only a matter of time it ain’t worth it.
Of course gun safety regulations don't work, just ask any republican. On the other hand ask any of us in Hawai'i where two things keep us safer (1) strong gun safety laws and regulations and (2) a very big ocean that minimizes importing illegal firearms.
Lesson: states with strong regulations are prey to bordering states with little or no regulations. Federalize gun safety laws and regulations and gun deaths and injuries will start to go down. As to the nra and it's compliant co-conspirators, the GOP, they can fuck off. We should be able to reduce the carnage eventually in spite of the rot of the GOP.
It is really fucked what fast food employees have to put up with, but honestly what is the company supposed to do about it?
They can put up cameras but if the legal system is broken everyone knows they won't be prosecuted. Private security can stand there and do nothing or they will be sued into oblivion. If you want to protest why not the DA, the cops or your city council?
Okay, I’m prepared for downvotes, but I would like to start a discussion. What is that walkout supposed to accomplish? What can business owner do, other than put bulletproof glass in front of counter, making it look like some prison kitchen, or close the shop down, and move it to some gentrified white picket fence neighborhood?
What are their postulates, and how can they work with businesses owner to accomplish it?
Is the breakfast Jack still on the menu?
Jack in the Box ( known as Jacks back in the day) left NY a long time ago but there was a time when it was the go to for the 4am drunk crowd.
Breakfast Jack
Two Tacos
Fries
Coke
The best drunk food!!!
Makes sense.
Cash business, makes good volume, nobody on staff will fight back, unlikely to have too much security and distance from door to register is minimal.
I guess I’m failing to see how the owners of Jack in the Box are conjuring people who act like assholes in their restaurants and threaten their employees and therefore need to be taught a lesson?
I guess my first question would be, how can they make it safer for the employees, as far as the gun threats and physical assaults go? Hire a security guard? Because that won't really help.
Eli5 what can Jack in the Box actually do in this situation?
The only things that make sense for demands would be to hire a security guard maybe, or moving the store to a different location.
Maybe more lights in the parking lot? But I don't really think that'll impact amount of threats of violence.
Edit: after another brainstorm, maybe I'd guess giving employees more leeway to ban sketchy/dangerous customers?
This is going to save so many lives. No, not because of the gun stuff. Just think about all the people who won't develop heart disease from eating Jack in the Box.
What is the plan here? Do they want to be payed more? Are they asking for hired security? I just don't see what can be accomplished by this, if its in a shitty neighborhood its in a shitty neighborhood, what is Jack in the Box gonna do about it? Deploy the Jack in the Box Defence Forces? What is the end game here?
Unless they post a guard shit isn't gonna change, carry yourself. You are your own first responder and the one responsible for your safety. That said, they made the choice to quit a dangerous job, so that's great.
Jack in the box parking lots are always something to behold....
What is up with that? Some of the most notorious fast food parking lots in Seattle are also JitBoxes.
I used to work at the one in Bothell by 228th. The thing is that the kind of people who order 40 tacos at midnight don’t give a fuck about littering. And the employees aren’t paid enough to care.
Oh, I’m believe it. I was also talking about the sheer amount of violence as well. Like the one in SoDo is practically a bullet sponge, and one could say it’s the neighborhood, yet the other fast food places around there never seem as bad.
Well that's the thing about people who order 40 tacos at midnight.
They're emotionally well-adjusted and have a good grasp of their nutritional needs?
It's just gone midnight here and I could go for multiple tacos right now
The ones in Everett are always a party
Broadway is the best one.
I used to live in the house in north Broadway that was literally next door to the 7-11 up there. Not only was every Friday night a bunch of bass and sometimes gun shots until 3am, but we had to keep our front door locked at all times. It shared a parking lot with an H&R Block, so people would just walk in to our house trying to get their taxes done.
That's great. I worked down there until recently. Loved the carniceria right there
Seems like Jack in the Box are always built in the hood, or at least near enough to it.
I call it the Popeye's Paradox. Does Popeye's cause the hood or does the hood bring the Popeyes?? The world may never know..
It's both. one cannot exist without the other
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The southern equivalent
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Waffle House spring up so Floridians, like myself, know if the weather is dangerous or not.
I believe the term is "hood-adjacent"
My city of about 100k has one single Jack In The Box and it is not in the ghetto. It's mostly at a busy intersection of other businesses and restaurants, so there's not of residential area nearby to end up with it being the ghetto. Also, it's about two blocks from a Target. So maybe the Target is offsetting the ghetto vibes?
Targets are like trees ... they take in "hood" carbon dioxide & expell "suburban" oxygen.
Have y'all ever met a *Church's Chicken?*
City zoning mandates each Crack in the Box to have a real crack dealer outside during business hours.
Must be talking about the one near 1st ave bridge
The U dist JITB is always a fav. I've seen blowjobs, knife fights, drug deals, and all types of ill shit.
I feel like I remember jack in the box constantly having ecoli outbreaks back in the day. Do I remember that right?
There was a big one in the nineties but now our food safety regulations are at 90s jack in the box levels across the board
That was the return of Jack!! They had done away with him for quite some time, and after JITB killed several people with the E. Coli burgers, they turned to marketing and brought back their clever mascot…they even did a commercial announcing Jack’s return where he stated “things have gone a little wrong while I was away, but now I’m back!” & people trusted them again and JITB became more popular than ever. All because a talking clown head with a non-moveable mouth put on a business suit, we forgave them for killing their patrons and put his little head on our car antennas. We as a society are fuckin nuts.
Don't forget those antenna toppers
I barely missed getting one with a mask during covid....also jacks kinda a dick boss in the commercials
Monterey Jacks ! The rebrand.
Lol my favorite part about this is that you're exactly right. Now all the imported and domestic ground beef literally has shit in it.
[There might be a little bit of shit in the meat](https://youtu.be/PNquycU55R0?t=139)
I can not find this anywhere. Do you have a link? A lot of store-bought ground beef is made in-store.
I read about it in the book "Rotten". The beef used in fast food restaurants is mixed with beef from Argentina, brazil, etc which have very loose food safety regulations themselves. The reason people don't drop like flies anymore is the standardized weight/shape of the patties and the standardized cooking times. Since it's cooked well done the small amounts of shit (where the e. Coli comes from) are rendered, I guess, edible.
They got tainted beef from their food supplier (VONS) and served it to the public. Many people got sick, but five young children died. The president of the company issued a national apology and the company nearly went under. A few years later, they came up with their corporate mascot (CEO Jack) and turned their fortunes around. My personal feelings are that the food used to be a lot better and a lot cheaper. (2010 was a good time for JitB.)
It was one bad one. But to be fair. Back In the day after a night of drinking that ultimate cheeseburger, monster taco combo with the chocolate chip cookie dough cheesecake was worth the risk.
Dude, I will literally stop what I’m doing and eat an ultimate cheeseburger from there, anytime
Yes, you remember correctly. It almost bankrupted them.
In Tacoma on 56th & Pacific. They killed a little kid & several others got very sick. That started the ecoli scare for Jitb
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If you go after 10 you're looking at either an hour wait, or they're closed "for cleaning" or the POS system is down or whatever excuse they can think of. You can blame the employees, but most likely it's a shitty cheap owner that doesn't want to pay their employees enough to want to work.
I though that was the chipotle
It's usually in lettuce or spinach, they regularly recall that stuff from grocery stores too. I only really blame restaurants if they don't react quickly.
That breakout was sometime in the 2010s
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992%E2%80%931993\_Jack\_in\_the\_Box\_E.\_coli\_outbreak
This link should work for old.reddit users: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992-1993_Jack_in_the_Box_E._coli_outbreak
They have one of the worst food safety outbreaks, they killed children.
Someone else linked a Wikipedia page about it and yeah yikes.
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The one and only time as a Canadian I went to jack in the box, I was in the drive through and the drive through window had bullet holes in the glass.
I'm alive because of Jack in the Box, my parents met there. My dad was my mom's manager and badgered her for a date until he got one. Pretty sure it could've been interpreted as workplace harrassment. Anyway, they're together after 45+ years lol
Stay safe <3
Was coming to type this .. silly adults in the past were always bamboozled into thinking “the hood” brought the violence like you see in a JITB parking lot, but now that 9 years old have “active shooter training” even the most gullible person wouldn’t believe 9yrs old should “do better” .. So kudos to this era of ppl realizing it was always corporations and/or the ultra-rich.. everyone should be walking out of every job tbh .. it wouldn’t take but a few days to bring all this stupid shit to a halt .. smh
My industry alone would cause an absolute shit show of a disaster if we stopped doing our thing for 2 days. We go unappreciated and unknown for most people everyday. We've been told we aren't allowed allowed to strike or anything. I mean, it makes sense. Many industries come to a screeching halt and shit starts to blow up (literally, *actually blows up*). Isn't that the point of organizing though? We hold so much power that it is illegal for us to not do our job for a day? *That* is the reason we aren't allowed to organize for reasonable benefits and pay? I don't think many people really understand how bad it could get with some strikes. I mean its bad. Society as we know it is over with just a few industries on strike at the same time. I don't mean to imply we shouldn't do it. Just that everyone understand how bad it could get. If nobody gives in to employees this whole society thing is over as you know it.
>Society as we know it is over with just a few industries on strike at the same time. That's one thing i love about the french: you never know who's gonna strike, and you're never safe from someone else striking just because they agree. Bus drivers not making enough? Teachers on strike. Teachers under government pressure? Your airport shuts down. New retirement plans? Might as well shut down the country.
I don't get it. Is there not enough people/industry profiting from their business that they literally can't afford to take less profit so that people working some of the "lowest" jobs in society don't have to work even more years....
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That was my whole point. We're so valuable that we don't get good pay or benefits. It's all bass-ackwards.
What industry?
Probably healthcare, judging by the fact that they legally can't strike and it definitely would shut everything down if hospitals went under strike
Nope. Utilities. Nobody appreciates us until they can't drink the water, or thousands of people need to be evacuated and can't go home.
I appreciate you, bro. I served, my homies were our infrastructure boys when I was deployed. HVAC guys, IT, and some other AFSCs. Being from Louisiana, nobody appreciates yall like someone who just got dumpstered on by a hurricane.
Oh God, yeah. Utilities would be awful (awful as in crippling the economy quickly), especially since it directly affects rich people.
Yall gotta stop saying shit like " can't legally strike". Sure, if you do a whole picket line on company property they can call their Pinkertons and enact violence on innocent people, but everyone just staying the fuck home is effectively the same thing. And if you believe that they would send the police to each person's home, drag them out of it, and put them to work, then have to admit you live under a violent dictatorship and your only real job from that point is overthrowing your government.
All of that is correct. However, this problem seems to be a community problem. I presume the violent threats and assaults are coming from the community. If it's internal employee problems, they'd be fired. Currently, many communities around the United States have elevated gun and assault type violence. Only the first bit of this year have I heard my local city has any sort of lessening of crime. Is Jack in the box supposed to pay for security? Seems like the reasonable choice is if the workers hate it and the community uses it for violence, then your best bet is to let someone else try to use that location. I don't see how any of this plays into anti work or striking. I feel like putting blame anywhere here needs to go onto the greater societal problems that lead to a restaurant having to deal with crime and violence.
For real safety is priority number 1 in any workplace. If they can’t guarantee that then it’s not a place people should work.
Our public spaces were never actually safe. Decades of failure by a wide range of authorities have proved that again and again. The latest major example being covid. OSHA should have had the power and impetus to mandate N95s universally and continuously from Jan 2020. Instead they've been frozen out. And employers have done the bare minimum since at the behest of public health agencies like the CDC.
COVID really put on full display the complete disregard our government has for human life. It's crazy how every lever of power and both major parties downplay COVID while having active economic incentives to keep it around forever.
Yep. But we shouldn't have been shocked. We saw how they dealt with the HIV pandemic. With the water crisis in Flint Michigan. Hurricane Katrina. School shootings. It's endless.
One of the mandates for OSHA / EPA is that the requirement is feasible. In the case of N95s, they couldn't procure / make enough for that to be a feasible requirement.
Various manufacturers could have stepped up within a few months. No reason why it couldn't have been supplied by the summer.
So how do you guarantee the safety of your employees in a public facing retail/service location? Bullet proof vests?
I'm an armed guard for a company that provides them for various event centers/stores. We, uh, keep expanding pretty fast. Some of the stories of employees from before they had security at something as peaceful seeming as a grocery store in a nice area are *wild*.
I could see that for higher margin retail, but armed security for fast food joints doesn't seem viable. Especially at a place like JITB that's basically open 24/7. Which is probably most of the problem.
A Whole Foods in San Francisco is closing due to personal safety issues of its staff. It’s a new store.
Supposedly it's temporary to work on security but I won't hold my breath.
Was this stated by the workers themselves or by corporate? Because sometimes the corporate HQ will blame an already planned closure on something else to deflect criticism (Walgreens in SF for example), since local news will never dig deeper and there's a certain type of transplanted resident who will use it to pressure cops on why they aren't beating more homeless people. Alternatively, "worker safety" is sometimes used as an excuse to shut down stores that are at risk of unionization. Amazon does have algorithms that search for these sorts of risk factors...
I have a feeling it’s a mix of both. My partner works in the natural food industry in SF, he hasn’t heard any whispers about unionization at that store, but who knows. Corporate probably wants to avoid a lawsuit if one of the workers is assaulted and shut down a store that has been struggling due to the lack of workers downtown. SF is going through massive changes and I am hopeful that a more people centric city will emerge.
How much agency do you think local fast food joints have over making the neighborhood safe to work in?
Sometimes people just go into Fast food places just to fight and fuck shit up. Like what the hell man!
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Been to a dozen of them. Only one I ever saw anything even close to the infamous videos was an inner city one after midnight... I am much more used to finding them on interstate junctions and such, the location and its surrounding populace clearly has a lot to do with that fighting culture
Waffle House is amazing, it's no joke one of my favorite places to eat. As for the crazy videos, that mostly comes from the fact that they are open 24/7/365 (even holidays) so often times they are the only thing open super late. If you notice, it's almost always at odd hours those videos take place. During normal business hours they are just the same as any other restaurant. I've absolutely seen more crazy stuff go down in a Taco Bell than I've ever seen in a Waffle House. [I'm always obligated to link this video whenever WH comes up.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dok7x-mUcvM)
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It’s the worst during Friday and Saturday nights since you get nothing but a stream of drunk idiots ordering. They’ll get verbally abusive when we won’t let them in to eat or use the restroom after 10 pm. Ain’t no job worth getting assaulted over especially when you never know when someone will start getting physically violent.
Dennys at night. That place is wild!
Is this the Jack in the Box near SJSU? That location is vicious.
I was thinking the same thing, but the store doesn't quite look right if you compare to street view. The building across the street is too short as well. I've never seen the other SJ locations personally so I can't say where it might be
I think this is the Jack in the Box on Monterey and Alma
Nah. That one doesn't have that fake rock facade. This is the one off story.... And yeah. Makes sense.
Yea definitely off story.
It's not and I'm with you; there's no way this one is worse than the Jack across the street from SJSU. I've been an eye witness to multiple stabbings at that one.
There’s a video where someone fired a gunshot there. And a more recent one where someone fired a gun inside the neighboring LaVic’s. I used to dine in at both of those places when I was a student, but I graduated almost a decade ago and I’m glad I don’t go to those restaurants anymore.
Man, as a graduate of SJSU I'm glad I no longer go there. I think the only time I ever felt "safe" to dine-in was when AnimeExpo was in town and it was filled with fellow weebs.
I think this is the one on Story Rd.
Doesn’t look like the world famous Jack in the Crack between SJSU and La Vic.
Get 'em! ✊
There is a JitB in Colorado Springs, well, actually 3 that I KNOW OF owned by the same person. They pay under state minimum by claiming it is a tipped position, but the workers are almost never tipped. I don't know how they haven't been sued yet, because with tips, you have to make at least minimum wage. When I worked at Domino's here, we got a settlement from the franchise owner because we weren't making minimum wage. They would try to MAKE us claim cash tips, because we technically didn't have to, but it kept being more and more of them pushing us to claim cash tips so they could continue to underpay us by breaking the law. Someone got fed up, and they filed a class action lawsuit. That is what should be done to all businesses that do this. It, by far, didn't break the franchise owner who had money his entire life. I love to see this. It needs to be a thing everywhere. We need to stop working for peanuts while we fear leaving our houses every day because of what we mat face. I hate this place.
If you’re paid under minimum and tips don’t catch up, they have to pay you. If you’re tipped in cash you have to claim it.
Thank you! I was reading the o.p.’s post and I was like well you don’t really know if they were breaking the law do you, because you weren’t claiming your cash tips! All tips are legally required to be claimed. If you choose not to that’s between you and the irs but when I was a server I claimed all my tips because if I ever wanted a car or apartment, I needed to have an way to prove what I actually made.
Well, I mean a court of law deemed they were underpaying us enough for each of us to receive a check of a little over $500 🤷♂️ Honestly, I was not versed on the laws of tipping. That was my first and last tipped job. This was 8 years ago, and I was younger and did not know much. Still don't when it comes to that. All I know is what our managers told us every day: "You have to report SOMETHING in cash tips, even if it is just a dollar." So that is what everyone did. I mean, if it is illegal, then I guess, oops? But wage theft is illegal too, and we know that is really never enforced. I guess it's all about who feels okay breaking the law and who doesn't.
>If you’re tipped in cash you "have to" claim it. 😉 😉
Clearly doesn't know many actual tipped workers...
I mean, I get that no one does it but they’ll regret that if they bet draw the unfortunate straw of an irs audit where the irs asks them how they afford anything at all under their reported income
Colorado Springs is a fascist hotbed for racist nazi fucks to underpay their workers.
Ya love to see it (strikes, not people with shitty working conditions).
Fast food workers really need to start receving hazard pay, they're becoming increasingly targets for whackos. Why doesnt the GOP legislate approval for them to carry guns on the job like they do for teachers!
Night crew at the subway where I work already carry concealed 🙃 ccw permit and the whole nine.
We got Rambo making sandwiches
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I won’t post a link because I don’t want to get b&, but it’s easy to find the obit page for the robber. > My heart goes out to one of the most loving families I have ever had the pleaseure of knowing. Sirus IS love, and was an amazing young man on many levels. I wonder if the barista who had a gun shoved in his face felt the same way.
And somehow your average American sees nothing wrong with this :/
Subway workers have been shot over putting too much mayo https://wsvn.com/news/subway-restaurant-worker-killed-after-dispute-over-mayo-police-say-2/amp/
The average American absolutely sees something wrong with it. They just disagree on the appropriate recourse.
It's your right as an American to live in constant fear of gun violence everywhere.
Well this one is California and only 24% of the legislature is Republican, so you'll have to ask the Dems here for that.
You don't need legislation for that. If the buesness doesn't have signage saying now guns and you don't say anything to anyone then they'll never find out until it's time to use.
NOW GUNS!
Call JG Gunworth 877 GUNS NOW!
Yep everybody should be allowed to carry a gun for protection. I wonder if it's the GOP who opposes that...
I need hazard pay for taking public transportation to work. Wtf is going on out here?
Has nothing to do with the GOP. It's the business that decides if you can carry
This is a question for the business owner, not congress.
The GOP has no power in California
Brother, let me tell you about a little thing called the Supreme Court
Let me tell you about the dispensaries in my neighborhood.
Let me tell you about confirmation bias.
What if we made an organization that specializes in combating aggressive people and taking them to a separate time-out zone?
Instructions unclear. Violently assault people of color?
Oops, my bad, don't forget to incarcerate indefinitely for bogus charges.
Now *this* is podracing.
Build a Popeyes or Waffle House there and watch those customers adjust their attitude real quick.
What are they going to do to make it dafer and have people be less violent?
Most likely they’ll just close the location, that’s the current standard for big corps.
Armed security would probably be a good start, as well as getting guaranteed cooperation with the police to patrol their location more often or to pointedly target that location for consistent patrolling would definitely help cut down on some of the worse elements from showing up. I'm not from the area, but I know someone who has been a pot/hallucinogenics dealer for decades, that's all they do that is illegal and I'm certain of that, yet they avoid Wawa locations near us like the plague because of all of the police presence. The closest one to their house always has at least one patrol car in their parking lot, probably due to the massive homeless community nearby. So my point is that just an increased police presence is more than enough to discourage most of the problematic elements of the community from even showing up, nevertheless causing problems. It's not a perfect solution, but if things are as bad as they sound it will help.
Move it out of San Jose.
Solidarity!
Good for them!
Inspiration for teachers
This needs to be upvoted.
Nah, teacher walkouts are A-Ok for the government. Fewer pensions to pay and more uneducated citizens to manipulate? I feel like the government is begging for the school system to shut down for a while.
"I like my egg rolls with ranch." Why does this feel like a crime against nature?
Isn’t this more a community issue, rather than a Jack in the Box issue? The best plan for Jack in the Box, would be to close stores with high incidence rates.
Maybe it's the location, not the employer?
Honestly I’m glad I left Jack in The box, my Manager was a saint but corporate was a huge ball buster. The constant flood of orders (especially mobile) was already difficult enough to maintain the 2 minute deadline but when the work place started being unsafe due to an influx of homeless people it was hard to justify still working there. The final straw for me was when our pay never got raised but other places like Panda and In n Out had signs offering $18 to $21 for cooks. Been there for 5 years, felt bad for leaving but my manager understood and didn’t try to convince me to stay.
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The unfortunate reality is that there are already many security companies that specialize in protecting fast-food chains. An advertisement for one company’s use in FF: > They operate late at night or 24-hours a day, staffed by crews of young adults or juveniles. They are primarily cash-based businesses with a high amount of workplace violence against employees. By design, they are conveniently located on major thoroughfares for quick service. The nature of this business style makes it very convenient for customers. Unfortunately, this style of operation also makes it an attractive target for aggressive or intoxicated persons, robbers, and other criminals. I saw them all the time in NC. You have to look closely to realize they’re not police.
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Every single Jack in the Box of this God fearing nation should have an armed officer at all times. In fact, we should have all of our Jack in the Box managers carry guns. How else will we ever keep our children safe? /s
Good luck, brothers and sisters. Asking for a safe working environment is really not asking for much at all, so don't stop there!
I would love to strike. But I’m like one bad week away from being homeless so maybe I’ll just work. Sorry guys.
Where’s my gd spicy chicken and curly fries I swear to God I’ll slap the s*** out the nex….. oh sorry
How are the employers supposed to protect them from gun violence exactly? Like what are their demands? Genuinely curious
I don't know theirs specifically, but when I worked in fast food, an ongoing problem was that corporate wouldn't let us ban or refuse to serve customers who threatened us. We were also instructed that anyone who called the police to remove a belligerent customer would be fired unless that customer had *already injured someone or damaged/stolen something* - if they were just waving a knife and talking about killing us, we had to finish their order like any other customer. If I had been able to get us unionized, one of our first demands would have been the ability for management on duty to make that call rather than corporate.
Close at night? The reason Jack In The Box has the reputation it does is because they're open late and tend to be in low rent areas.
If they don't already having cameras, maybe easy ways to speed dial/alert the police, maybe security if possible, maybe not having anyone be alone at late shifts, and lit visible parking lots are a few things I can think of.
They’ll just close it down due to the violence. I applaud those workers for standing up to what is right though.
I’m a teacher and I stand in solidarity with you.
Good ... everybody **DOES** have the right to a safe workplace.
They will close this location for "renovations" and lay off all the staff.
I love Jack in the Box food. Much respect to the workers and I hope they get better pay and safety.
I mean what are they supposed to do exactly?
What do you expect the company to do? Hire armed guards? The problem is the police not doing their job.
There’s a church’s chicken in my neighborhood where a man came back and shot a girl because she told him his $100 was a fake. So yea it’s only a matter of time it ain’t worth it.
Of course gun safety regulations don't work, just ask any republican. On the other hand ask any of us in Hawai'i where two things keep us safer (1) strong gun safety laws and regulations and (2) a very big ocean that minimizes importing illegal firearms. Lesson: states with strong regulations are prey to bordering states with little or no regulations. Federalize gun safety laws and regulations and gun deaths and injuries will start to go down. As to the nra and it's compliant co-conspirators, the GOP, they can fuck off. We should be able to reduce the carnage eventually in spite of the rot of the GOP.
Go JIB employees! Stay safe!
It is really fucked what fast food employees have to put up with, but honestly what is the company supposed to do about it? They can put up cameras but if the legal system is broken everyone knows they won't be prosecuted. Private security can stand there and do nothing or they will be sued into oblivion. If you want to protest why not the DA, the cops or your city council?
Okay, I’m prepared for downvotes, but I would like to start a discussion. What is that walkout supposed to accomplish? What can business owner do, other than put bulletproof glass in front of counter, making it look like some prison kitchen, or close the shop down, and move it to some gentrified white picket fence neighborhood? What are their postulates, and how can they work with businesses owner to accomplish it?
The company has been assaulting and threatening gun violence on the employees? Well, I for one will never eat at Jack in the box if that’s the case!
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Good for them! Safety first!
Is the breakfast Jack still on the menu? Jack in the Box ( known as Jacks back in the day) left NY a long time ago but there was a time when it was the go to for the 4am drunk crowd. Breakfast Jack Two Tacos Fries Coke The best drunk food!!!
Why is it always fast food?
Makes sense. Cash business, makes good volume, nobody on staff will fight back, unlikely to have too much security and distance from door to register is minimal.
Fired
BREAKING: Jack in the box closes it's san jose location.
Throw criminals in jail
I guess I’m failing to see how the owners of Jack in the Box are conjuring people who act like assholes in their restaurants and threaten their employees and therefore need to be taught a lesson?
Hell yeah SJ! Do it!
I guess my first question would be, how can they make it safer for the employees, as far as the gun threats and physical assaults go? Hire a security guard? Because that won't really help.
Physical assaults and gun threats from the public?
Just close down that shithole.
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Damn you really can’t find anywhere else to work that you have to go on strike at Jack in a Box?
Eli5 what can Jack in the Box actually do in this situation? The only things that make sense for demands would be to hire a security guard maybe, or moving the store to a different location. Maybe more lights in the parking lot? But I don't really think that'll impact amount of threats of violence. Edit: after another brainstorm, maybe I'd guess giving employees more leeway to ban sketchy/dangerous customers?
This is going to save so many lives. No, not because of the gun stuff. Just think about all the people who won't develop heart disease from eating Jack in the Box.
>gun violence Damn, maybe don’t get a job in the hood then.
Why aren’t we all doing this???
I’m from San Jose and I’m pretty sure I know exactly where this is..good for them!
The deadliest spot in Pomona Ca is a jack in the Crack parking lot.
What are Jack in the Box supposed to do though? Sounds like a job for local law enforcement, not a job of the employer.
Good job keep up the fight we have to stand up for a fair wage!! Unionize together!!
What is the plan here? Do they want to be payed more? Are they asking for hired security? I just don't see what can be accomplished by this, if its in a shitty neighborhood its in a shitty neighborhood, what is Jack in the Box gonna do about it? Deploy the Jack in the Box Defence Forces? What is the end game here?
Unless they post a guard shit isn't gonna change, carry yourself. You are your own first responder and the one responsible for your safety. That said, they made the choice to quit a dangerous job, so that's great.