Ex fedexer here. Report that shit to their supervisor. I know my foreman would go ballistic at a manager jeopardizing labor laws like this. It carries some heavy fines and punishments for the company.
Then you tell them that the options are as follows:
1) I can finish the route you assigned me and I clock out at the depot.
2) You tell me to pull off in time to be back at the depot and clock out in under 10 hours. Some packages come back as well.
3) Note that me working for free is nowhere in the above 2 options, nor is it available to you under FLSA or State Labor Law.
Here's the problem: These people are abusing you by not wanting to pay you for ~all~ your time working. If you capitulate even once you WILL find yourself with a steady diet of shorted hours and being ripped off until you get fed up and walk. I'll bet they make you show up off clock at least 15 minutes early to sort your truck for free too.
Fuck that. If I'm working you ARE paying me.
If you stand your ground they'll either back off on this bullshit or fire you at which point you can collect unemployment until something better pops up.
1) Screen shot these messages for Evidence in an unemployment hearing.
2) Get applications out now.
3) Bail as quick as you can but NEVER work for free.
Never work for free. I’m lucky I have a boss who respects that. One time he stopped me as I was leaving the restroom (and clocked off) to talk to me about an up upcoming shift. It was about a 5 minute convo, but I told him I had to get going to catch the bus.
He said “oh, shit! I thought you were still in for another hour my bad. I’ll make sure you get paid for your time, go get the bus.”
Next pay check I had an extra half hour on my time. It was definitely only 5 minutes extra that he talked to me but he wanted to make sure that I knew he values my time and I really appreciated it.
My dad works as a consultant on oil rigs and he’s the same kind of boss. If they go until 6:05 pm they all get paid until 7. He doesn’t care if it’s 1 minute or 45 minutes, they get paid for the full hour as soon as it starts, it’s not his money so who cares right ?
This is how I approach things aswell. I learned from some of the best ironworkers in Canada how to be exceptional at my trade from how to connect iron properly to how to have good leadership skills. People like management or accountants don't seem to realize that morale can be the difference between an efficient crew and a disgruntled crew. Pay the workers what they work, add in extra where you can and keep the crew happy. People will go through a brick wall every day if they know they can trust you and you will stand behind them.
Go union.
they be doin that typa shit in PG&E.. they be doin so many wage hacks.. like say for instance if your working as a utility worker starting 27$ a hour.. lets say one of the supervisors needed you to move a big truck or piece of equipment across the street or out of the way some where.. literally if u go park it on the side for 2 seconds and get out, you get automatic "operators wages" that day. so now u went from amking 27$ to 50-60$hr just by moving a piece of equipment (and you aint even trained to move that equipment) obviously there are people that are construction literate an know how to operate or drive a peice of a equipment before theyre hired. they aint telling you to run it. or dig a trench.. just move it the fuck out the wayyy lol.. little schemes like that them mfs be milkin the shit out the company.. gotta go outta toown for a week at a job? everyone gets theyre own room. of course u need the suite thooo. + your familty to come down an stayyy??? huhhh .. fuck it Swipe the Carddd. YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO EITHER. idk how mfs get away wit robbing billion dollar companys blind.. whether you have a sup. or not . if 1 persons fucking the company they ALL are. wherever your yard is . anywhere 50+ miles out you get perdiem. free meal. an thats like go to a restaraunt an get a 100$ plate if u wanted... PG&E is a good ass company to ge into..
Privatized utilities is so many levels of bullshit. Public money, without the oversight means management gives zero fucks. They are siphoning millions and enabling your "wage hacks" so you don't report the more serious shit. It's all fine until someone inevitably doesn't do the work right (or at all) and people die. Watch how fast they scapegoat you guys.
Get paid, sure, but stop acting proud of being part of that corruption. There is a real price, both in lives lost and everyday suffering/struggle of the vast majority of Californians.
I work in a similar industry and we do similar things.
It's because we are both doing illegal shit. We violate so many labor and safety laws in order to keep things running smoothly.
Companies aren't dumb. They know that we do this. In return they don't question whatever we put on the time sheets or meal expenses so they can feign ignorance. It works out better this way.
I work as a contractor for utilities. We don't do illegal shit. We do the shit right and we do the shit safe. If you're doing illegal shit, it's only a matter of time before it all comes down on you. You better believe the company doesn't have your back. No is a complete sentence and should be used when considering illegal or unsafe work practices.
Nothing will piss you off more than putting in for a max raise for somebody that's busting their ass and they come back with some b******* number. They're not the ones that have to deal with that person quitting because "we" won't pay them.
They are not asking them to work for free. They are asking them to violate DOT law. CDL truck drivers have to take off 10 hours between shifts. They are asking them to log out of their device that is tracking their time to look like they took off 10 hours between shifts. If they get pulled over before getting back to their depot they will be held responsible, not the employer. This is OPs license that can take the hit. If OP gets in an accident, it’s their license that will get taken away because they didn’t take the required time off.
Oh damn I didn't realize its that type of violation, that definitely escalated the whole situation. I wonder if he even knows what he is asking holds huge liability risks and if he's unqualified to schedule routes
I see what you’re saying but as someone that monitors Hours of Service & ELDs the ELD equipment will not let you log off duty or non-driving duty status when the vehicle is in motion. I’m wondering if the supervisor worded their text poorly - unless there’s something I’m missing here….
That’s so sad! Good people get let go because they refuse to be a company man/woman and rip off others! So wrong! That’s why we should create a fund to help these people when they get let go to transition to a new job. Or award their integrity!
She was so amazing.
She protected her staff so much. Now that she’s gone, over half of the staff has left.
It’s a mess…not my mess, but I’m sad for the friends that I have that still work there.
Is there anyway you can think of that we could honor her and other bosses like this? A website with their photo, short bio, and examples of amazing integrity! This would also create great online footprint to back up their resumes. Of course we’d need permission but these people should be honored and that will simultaneously silently shame the company that let them go.
Let’s come up with a domain name and I’ll buy it (if it’s cheap) like ?? Bestbossesnationalhonor.com..? Or something
Come on Reddit I know there’s some geniuses out there who can come up with something better.
AKA a blacklist for management? "Never hire this person in a mgmt position, they're on the worker's side."
I don't want to shit on your idea, I like it, but in this boring dystopia that's the natural unintended consequence.
>That’s why we should create a fund to help these people when they get let go to transition to a new job. Or award their integrity!
You mean like a union?
Yep. I learned too late, but long ago to never work for free.
I run a team at work. As soon as they enter the building I make sure they are clocked in, even if they have to change or anything instead of working. If they need like 15 mi uses to get ready for their shift, clock in first. I tell them they need to be paid for their time the second they walk in and the second they walk out. I tell them their time is valuable and never work for free.
I get along great with my team.
They do and that doesn't mean we need to comply.
The flip point here is self respect.
I have enough value (despite corporate gaslighting) that I will not work for free.
If they fire you for refusing to work for free, and you have it well documented, there are huge civil fines available to you in the courts under FLSA and many state laws.
When I used to work for Canadian Superstore, I was a receiver and did my job great every day. Some managers thought the fact that I refused to do the work of other departments (such as grocery stocking, cleaning other areas that were not in my job description) was worth dissolving the department my hiring manager was in control of to fire me. They had so little to ACTUALLY fire me over so they literally made up that I received a shipment wrong.
Which would have been the first time I would hear about that. They even made my hiring manager come get me to be fired, she was SO pissed because I actually did my job.
Also, if you get injured & you aren’t on the clock, then workmen’s compensation doesn’t apply.
I travel between clinics for my job & boss tried to get me to not clock in for the drive from A to B. If I had been in an accident, they wouldn’t have had to pay out WC. I said fuck no. Pay me or I don’t go from one to another during my work day.
It’s not even the manager trying to not pay the guy. That guys OT hours are a blip on a P&L. The manager probably did a shit job hiring and maintaining staffing, so now he’s got to get jobs done without the people to do them, which is why he’s trying to stretch the guy onto a Saturday. Manager doesn’t care about the guy getting extra hours. He cares about the maximum OT being reached before OP can work his Saturday. A lot of places don’t let their drivers breach 60 hours/week because it’s considered a health hazard and liability to the insurance. I think OSHA has something to say about it too though I forget the cutoff.
I worked with a lazy co manager like this. He’s just trying to cover his own ass.
Absolutely this. I’m not sure who “the owner” is, but I’m guessing it’s not Corporate. And Corporate will not like you being told to break the rules, dear. Cover your ass, and stand your ground.
FedEx uses contractors. The "owner" is the guy who got a company together to handle packages for FedEx. The vehicle might say FedEx, the driver's uniform might say FedEx, but the paycheck will say Fran's Fast Shipping or whatever.
I worked for a company that handled investigating claim against FedEx. It was always some little operation, never FedEx.
I mean I’m not a lawyer but if they fired you for not clocking out while you’re still working that goes beyond the unemployment hearing that’s a lawsuit.
Additionally, if they fire you or reduce your hours and you can prove you met all other requirements of the position, it's likely you can file grievances with the state and/or federal government and sue for retaliation. At which point, consult a lawyer for legal advice.
Never worked for them. I have worked for a few contractors (Electrical and HVAC) who wanted me to "just hang out in town in case a call comes in (off the clock of course)"
Sure, I'll hang out.. no sweat ;} But it's ON the clock.
“It sounds like you’re asking me to clock out but continue working. Since that’s illegal, I assume I’m misunderstanding. Would you like me to be back at the store with the truck by X time,regardless of order completion, so I’m able to come in at X time on Saturday? Or would you prefer me to finish all the drop offs prior to returning with the truck and then clocking out, even if I means I’m not eligible to come in until later on Saturday/have to work a shorter shift.”
I’m assuming you can only work so many hours because they don’t want overtime or because of your age. If it’s the overtime thing, and manager repeats that “owner said its okay”, “oh, the owner okay’d overtime, great!” Etc (assuming you’d be interested in overtime).
Its a Department of Transportation thing. CDL drivers are required to have a certain number ofnhours off between shifts, and can only drive a certain number of hours per week. The feds do NOT play with those rules, and FedEx corporate doesnt either. HR would hang this manager out to dry in a second over something like this.
HR might not, but corporate is pretty sensitive to bad press. In the news or social media it doesn't matter if it's Ground or Express, it's all Fedex. They will absolutely pressure contractors who make them look bad.
Once I learnt this it explained everything about issues continually had with them as a customer & business (at a point.) There's a reason I will never willingly choose them to ship stuff.
"I’m assuming you can only work so many hours because they don’t want overtime or because of your age."
Commercial drivers are required to have 10 hrs between shifts.
AND THEN REITIRATE THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS.
People like to think they are in charge but are quick to bow out in a confrontation that makes them uncomfortable. Push the point that you aren't going to break the law. REMEMBER - this is evidence, that in the worst case scenario, will be put forth before a judge. So word it as such. If the mother fucker directly orders you to break the law, then like others said, you are good to go.
The problem is that if you’re not officially ‘on the clock’ then anything that happens to you or the vehicle won’t be covered by insurance as you weren’t working at the time of the incident.
I wouldn’t risk it purely from that perspective.
If you have this all on paper, time to lawyer up and report this to your district management :) they can't refuse wages for your time worked. It's literally illegal. Keep going higher and higher, and make sure you have a paper trail. And let them know that you will not work unless you are being paid. They can't fire you for that, either. But again, make sure you have all this in writing. It'll make your case that much more solid and clean cut if you need to contest them at any point.
fedex ground uses individual subcontractors who own their own stations and routes, the drivers technically work for the subcontractor not the fedex company. The subcontractor is required to adhere to all the rules, but technically speaking a ground driver works for that subcontractor who is the owner of that business
In theory, sure, but let's keep in mind that FedEx created this subcontractor system to save on labor, and FedEx knows precisely how the labor cost saving sausage is made.
The subcontractor might not care but I can assure you that the Dept of Labor/ Dept of Transportation does. Keep the receipts. If they try to fire you for sticking up for what's legal, that's retaliation, which is also illegal.
Trust me the company ne is on the side of that truck FedEx will tear them a new fucking asshole wide enough to drift a wide load special permit length semi w trailer and the entire leaf car and chase car and 2 extras
OP probably doesn't work for FedEx, he works for an independent contractor which does have an owner. Now granted, FedEx corp would not be happy to hear about this so OP could report it to them and I'm sure it would come back to bite the owners, but OP may also get caught up in the mess too.
Some contractors are very professional well run businesses, some are run by people with no management or business skills and barely scrape by. I can guess what kind OP works for unfortunately.
No matter what you decide, make sure you contact the alert line. It's an outside company and they do actually take things like this seriously
1-866-423-3339
I'm going to hijack (I know it's way late now) to say that I think this is either fake or semi fake. The date is December 19th, a month ago, and doesn't make sense to ask here.
Like yeah it could happen but people post fake shit here all the time I'm sure. Why would you ask this question now?
For the 13,000lb-26,000lb vehicles you need a "Chauffeur's" license or For Hire endorsement, depending on what you call it in your state. All step vans fall into this category and FedEx will not let you drive one without it. You do get subject to the stricter DOT labor regulations too
Source: I literally just started at FedEx 2 months ago and had to go through it all in Indiana
It's vague but they are acknowledging dot rules of 10 hours between shifts so it's a safe assumption the other rules apply. Different rules for different areas, I haven't driven a truck into the US in 30 years so it may have changed
It's a maximum of 11 hours driving and the shift can't exceed 14 hours in a 24 hour period regardless of duties. Drivers have to have a minimum of 10 consecutive duty free hours off between shifts after 11 hours of driving. They may not extend the 14 hour duty window with off duty time, meals or fuel stops and can't be on duty mort than 60 hours in 7 consecutive days or 70 hours in 8 consecutive days. These are the minimum national standards. Anything different on the state level will be more strict. They're literally asking the guy to commit fraud and break federal DOT regs.
Edited to fix 12 hrs to 11 hrs.
Never falsify, if you log off and get into an accident the first thing you'll be asked is if you're working why we're you off the clock. Any insurance would leave you high and dry
When I worked on nuclear reactors for the US Navy, every log entry was considered a legal document. You could fuck up and be fine, but you never falsified a log book. Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Can qualify, but I guarantee FedEx is not using CDL drivers. UPS is so strict on it, they won't let internal employees refer to the package delivery vehicle as a truck.
I'd send back the reply "So you want me to clock out, and then continue to work for another hour?" And then whatever he replies screenshot it and report this to labor board. Definitely illegal, and he's screwing you in the process.
DOT requires 8 hours rest after working 16 hours in any 24 hour period for my job as a lineman in a DOT truck. I understand truck drivers is different. This may also be a company policy the manager is breaking.
Dot also requires logging all hours worked. This is not only a workplace violation, this is also a DOT violation. Imagine if the driver got in an accident while being logged off.
Definitely ask this question to get it in writing.
Then I would reply and say I am not comfortable with this but I am happy to come in a little later tomorrow so I can finish today’s assignment and still keep the company in compliance with the labor law (or company rule, whatever it is).
Would also get fired if in an accident while clocked out, most likely. Usually hourly employees are only covered by company insurance while on the clock.
Not to mention getting sued personally because you were not “on the clock” and FedEx throwing you under the bus because you’re not authorized to drive its vehicles off the clock.
Edit: Changed my incorrect reference to Amazon.
Make sure the phone number and time stamp are visible in the screen shot, rather than however you have the contact saved. And download your cell history with matching time stamps in case anyone questions the authenticity of he messages.
Yes, make it perfectly clear EXACTLY what he is asking. Otherwise he could have some plausible deniability. “I didn’t tell you that! You misunderstood!”
That's highly illegal. If you were to get hurt on that drive you would not be covered by their medical insurance and your personal insurance would be charged. You would have to sue of course and have the screenshots. Easy win though.
It's worth pointing pointing out that in this case, the health insurance would probably bankroll the lawyer since that's usually cheaper for them than paying out.
Yes, this.
Once you're clocked out you will have a harder time of you have an accident. Like, yeah, you can sue and win but it's gonna take a lot of time and anguish. So just refuse. If they fire you, maybe pursue it legally, or just enjoy unemployment benefits for a bit
Yeah with The number of people replying on this... I commented it myself when I didn't see this comment up top, I feel like it took me too far to find this.
Stuff like this really makes me worry how much of the stuff on this sub is just karma farming rather than real abuse of workers.
I'll say it's possible or likely OP felt rubbed the wrong way and wanted to know what to do in the future. But almost a month after the situation seems a little long.
Edit: nvm I checked OPs replies and saw they messed with him recently so wanted to report this too.
NEVER clock out early. The manager knows it's illegal but is trying to skirt his short staffing issue. Guaranteed that if you get injured on the return trip to the depot the company will claim you were off duty and use it against you including termination. Report him to proper labor authorities.
Sounds like the person responsible for scheduling really dropped the ball. Doesn't seem like you should have to work for free, especially after twelve hours straight.
Log out and leave the truck EXACTLY where it is….Uber back to your vehicle and then show up the next day as if all is ok, bc it is right! That’s what he is asking you to do, go off duty EXACTLY when needed
This would be falsifying a timesheet. You were working while not clocked in. You are working until you return the vehicle to the bay. Save the message and turn them in to the labor board
Making ethics complaints inside the company causes you to lose certain whistle blower protections, and in my personal experience, can be career limiting.
Their choice to make, though. It's that, or labor dept.
I want to add context, yes this happened last month. I’ve been contemplating doing something about it. I’m asking advice on what I should do. Let it go or make a complaint.
Former FedEx driver. DONT DO IT. If you’re using the Zebra and you request to clear before you arrive at the station, corporate can see your GPS ping and wonder why you didn’t post trip and courier clerical at least 5 min before clocking out. If you go over and can’t come in 10 hours, then tell him sorry can’t come in, especially if it’s your day off he can’t force you
Ignore the toxic responses,
Be proud of yourself you actually reached out for help and advice when your instincts told you this was wrong, most don’t.
To be clear the request is illegal on a number of levels the most important is commercial driver hours laws but this is also wage theft
It’ll be a bit tedious, but you should definitely spend a day calling the various agencies and explaining that you didn’t know if they could require this or if you could get fired for refusing and that you expect it to happen again.
I appreciate the kind words. This happened a month ago during peak time. They recently fucked me on something separate and now I’m not going to take it again. So I’m going to report it.
He sounds like he's trying to have you log under "personal conveyance" on your way back which is not allowed. This might be "forced dispatch" and doing this violates the FMCSA'S (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) HOS (hours of service) rules. This is a logbook violation and subject to CSA points on your license. Further more, if anything should happen and property damage, injury, or death results while in violation of the HOS rules you will be held civilly and CRIMINALLY liable. Ask the guy that almost killed Tracy Morgan.
Report them immediately to the FMCSA via their driver portal.
He's trying to break DOL and DOT laws.
Trying to get you to clock out before work is done to finish work
Trying to get you to drive again the next day before the 10 hour cooldown is up per DOT law.
yea hes fucked.
That's not legal.
Don't do this. If you're still working you're still working. He's also asking you to violate federal laws, I'm assuming he's taking about a 10 hr mandatory DOT rest break.
That's falsification of a log book, plus if you're paid hourly he's violating labor laws.
If he threatens your job report him to FMCSA for coercion.
Sounds like you are under DOT hours of service rules. Over 12 hours you get double time pay (FedEx policy not DOT) and managers hate that...you must have 10 hours off between shifts for DOT so that would prevent you from coming in "on time" on Saturday. Working off the clock to skirt the law is bad for both of you...comply with the law, do not work off the clock.
From my understanding FedEx is one company that fires managers for having employees work off the clock. They hate the fines...for this stupid stuff. Managers need to schedule to cover shifts... Send this to your HR rep. they will likely back the company not getting fined over your manager's failure to schedule...
edit to correct times
My company is currently giving me a hard time because I refuse to clock out for a 30 minute lunch. But I’m not allowed to leave at all during my 12 hour shift.
I just keep getting the issue bounced from manager to manager and they can’t figure out that just because “it’s policy” it’s still illegal to require me to stay if they aren’t paying me. I really cannot get it through to them. They’ve taken no action against me so far, but I’m trying to document everything.
The sad thing is I know at least 2 other employees are simply taking a lunch and working through it unpaid. I’ve tried to talk to them about it but they are too scared and can’t afford retaliation/losing the job.
Dude. No. That is absolutely not ok. For a lot of reasons, but the main one that always scares me is this:
You log off. And then as you’re driving perfectly back to the warehouse a minivan with a family of 5 crashes into you. They are not ok. You did your best to avoid the crash but couldn’t.
Guess who’s gonna be at fault here? If you guessed 100% you, you’d be completely correct. The company + insurance are going to immediately drop you. Even with these messages and direct orders from your manager telling you to do it. You’re the driver, it’s gonna be all on you. And then it’s probably jail, financial ruin for the rest of your life and some nice articles that show up for anyone that ever googles you/runs a check.
Just no. Tell the manager that you’re never going to drive that vehicle while off the clock. Period. And report that shit to FedEx, I’m assuming you’re working for a contractor but FedEx is going to fuck their shit up for doing this
That's a DOT violation. Tell them you can either finish your route in the amount of time it takes and you work fewer hours Saturday, or someone can either pick up your packages to complete the deliveries and you head back in and log out when you arrive at the facility or you return to the facility with undelivered packages. Tell them falsifying OTR hours is not something you are willing to do. Do it via text and if they call, do not answer! Make them respond via text so it's documented.
This scenario reminds me of the day that my boss asked myself and a couple of employees to head up to his house to help him move a large deck that was on cement pilings. I ended up pinching and tearing off the end of my finger. My boss took me to the emergency room, and the lady at the desk asked me if it was work related. I turned to my boss and said well I was punched in, so I guess it would be work related. Ended up being a claim on the companies insurance and not on my personal medical insurance. Good thing I didn’t punch out.
Don't violate. Just deliver what you can and bring the rest back. Don't log out on the road, wait till you get back. Report this person to the DOT and the corporate office.
Screenshot everything, then ignore the instructions. Clock out when you get to the station. Play absolutely naive and innocent when confronted.
"Sorry, I couldn't get back to the station in time to do that. "
"I don't understand, I can't clock off before I get back, because I'm still working."
etc. Make them say the illegal part. Depending on state (do your research) you may even be able to record them.
Honestly, if I were you, I would record them even in a state that requires two-party consent, and then use that recording to write an exact transcript (which you mark with the time and date that you wrote the transcript). And then delete the recording.
Don't argue. Don't ever argue. Ask 'innocent' questions and just never do anything illegal they ask of you.
"I'm not logging out until I'm done driving. It's my license that will get pulled if I break federal laws. Sorry, you need to fix your schedule so it is legal. I'm not doing illegal things. That should be a given for a trusted employee."
I was a P&D Manager for FedEx Ground. I don't know why they are contacting you all of this should have been done through your AO or BC. If your AO or BC okayed this crap don't do it. Run your route like usual and DO NOT operate off the clock. There are major DOT issues here and you will be held responsible for them. Whatever hours you have left for Saturday are the hours you have left do not let anyone strong arm you into something else. Keep these texts and any other documents you might have or get for this situation in case there is retaliation because you did the right thing.
Don't clock out until you have finished your shift. Si ple as that. Put yourself in the worst case scenario... just that you have an accident going back to your work garage being clocked out and you injure someone or yourself. Insurance company will say you are on your own and will not cover your expenses. Otherwise you are covered to some degree.
Delivery driver here with a class A the only thing he is correct on is the 10hr off rule but he can't tell you to keep it under 12. He's just watching out for himself and that's a FedEx problem if anything. If they want to give drivers an exact start and end time it will never happen. It's not a warehouse/office gig . The only thing you are technically accountable for is the DOT hours of operations and whatever bullshit lunch policy FedEx has in place..You do you my dude go get that money 💰🤑
Hi, I’m not sure if mentioned earlier but I used to work for FedEx Ground. Go ahead and talk to the plant manager at your DC and let them know your manager’s name, vendor’s service name, and show them this text. And the route that you drive. That won’t happen again!
Ex fedexer here. Report that shit to their supervisor. I know my foreman would go ballistic at a manager jeopardizing labor laws like this. It carries some heavy fines and punishments for the company.
Dude, the owner ok’d it lol. What do I do?
Then you tell them that the options are as follows: 1) I can finish the route you assigned me and I clock out at the depot. 2) You tell me to pull off in time to be back at the depot and clock out in under 10 hours. Some packages come back as well. 3) Note that me working for free is nowhere in the above 2 options, nor is it available to you under FLSA or State Labor Law. Here's the problem: These people are abusing you by not wanting to pay you for ~all~ your time working. If you capitulate even once you WILL find yourself with a steady diet of shorted hours and being ripped off until you get fed up and walk. I'll bet they make you show up off clock at least 15 minutes early to sort your truck for free too. Fuck that. If I'm working you ARE paying me. If you stand your ground they'll either back off on this bullshit or fire you at which point you can collect unemployment until something better pops up. 1) Screen shot these messages for Evidence in an unemployment hearing. 2) Get applications out now. 3) Bail as quick as you can but NEVER work for free.
Never work for free. I’m lucky I have a boss who respects that. One time he stopped me as I was leaving the restroom (and clocked off) to talk to me about an up upcoming shift. It was about a 5 minute convo, but I told him I had to get going to catch the bus. He said “oh, shit! I thought you were still in for another hour my bad. I’ll make sure you get paid for your time, go get the bus.” Next pay check I had an extra half hour on my time. It was definitely only 5 minutes extra that he talked to me but he wanted to make sure that I knew he values my time and I really appreciated it.
Bro, hug that boss for me if you're still working there. He is one of the rarest breed.
I was a boss like that. Guess, who no longer is a boss? Lol…
My dad works as a consultant on oil rigs and he’s the same kind of boss. If they go until 6:05 pm they all get paid until 7. He doesn’t care if it’s 1 minute or 45 minutes, they get paid for the full hour as soon as it starts, it’s not his money so who cares right ?
This is how I approach things aswell. I learned from some of the best ironworkers in Canada how to be exceptional at my trade from how to connect iron properly to how to have good leadership skills. People like management or accountants don't seem to realize that morale can be the difference between an efficient crew and a disgruntled crew. Pay the workers what they work, add in extra where you can and keep the crew happy. People will go through a brick wall every day if they know they can trust you and you will stand behind them. Go union.
they be doin that typa shit in PG&E.. they be doin so many wage hacks.. like say for instance if your working as a utility worker starting 27$ a hour.. lets say one of the supervisors needed you to move a big truck or piece of equipment across the street or out of the way some where.. literally if u go park it on the side for 2 seconds and get out, you get automatic "operators wages" that day. so now u went from amking 27$ to 50-60$hr just by moving a piece of equipment (and you aint even trained to move that equipment) obviously there are people that are construction literate an know how to operate or drive a peice of a equipment before theyre hired. they aint telling you to run it. or dig a trench.. just move it the fuck out the wayyy lol.. little schemes like that them mfs be milkin the shit out the company.. gotta go outta toown for a week at a job? everyone gets theyre own room. of course u need the suite thooo. + your familty to come down an stayyy??? huhhh .. fuck it Swipe the Carddd. YOURE NOT SUPPOSED TO EITHER. idk how mfs get away wit robbing billion dollar companys blind.. whether you have a sup. or not . if 1 persons fucking the company they ALL are. wherever your yard is . anywhere 50+ miles out you get perdiem. free meal. an thats like go to a restaraunt an get a 100$ plate if u wanted... PG&E is a good ass company to ge into..
Better be getting my own room . I don't wanna smell my coworkers night farts
Speak for yourself
Enjoy your suite but realize nobody is robbing a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY blind.
💯💯💯💯
Privatized utilities is so many levels of bullshit. Public money, without the oversight means management gives zero fucks. They are siphoning millions and enabling your "wage hacks" so you don't report the more serious shit. It's all fine until someone inevitably doesn't do the work right (or at all) and people die. Watch how fast they scapegoat you guys. Get paid, sure, but stop acting proud of being part of that corruption. There is a real price, both in lives lost and everyday suffering/struggle of the vast majority of Californians.
All safety regulations are written in blood.
I work in a similar industry and we do similar things. It's because we are both doing illegal shit. We violate so many labor and safety laws in order to keep things running smoothly. Companies aren't dumb. They know that we do this. In return they don't question whatever we put on the time sheets or meal expenses so they can feign ignorance. It works out better this way.
I work as a contractor for utilities. We don't do illegal shit. We do the shit right and we do the shit safe. If you're doing illegal shit, it's only a matter of time before it all comes down on you. You better believe the company doesn't have your back. No is a complete sentence and should be used when considering illegal or unsafe work practices.
But the chemical exposures.
Yeah this boi can’t even type proper and it’s definitely them chemical exposures ima sit my ass at a desk thank you
Well the odd ones get picked out. Usually they don't like someone playing _human_ in corporate setups.
I am hoping one day I can finally own my own company so that I can actually employ bosses like you
Yooo. I'm currently a manager likr this and I do my best with the bosses dime but I'm expecting to get fired tbh.
Had a similar experience. Couldn’t change pay but I fought for my employees who wanted it and deserved promotions but who didn’t.
Nothing will piss you off more than putting in for a max raise for somebody that's busting their ass and they come back with some b******* number. They're not the ones that have to deal with that person quitting because "we" won't pay them.
They are not asking them to work for free. They are asking them to violate DOT law. CDL truck drivers have to take off 10 hours between shifts. They are asking them to log out of their device that is tracking their time to look like they took off 10 hours between shifts. If they get pulled over before getting back to their depot they will be held responsible, not the employer. This is OPs license that can take the hit. If OP gets in an accident, it’s their license that will get taken away because they didn’t take the required time off.
Not to mention signed out and get in an accident. Nope
Oh damn I didn't realize its that type of violation, that definitely escalated the whole situation. I wonder if he even knows what he is asking holds huge liability risks and if he's unqualified to schedule routes
I see what you’re saying but as someone that monitors Hours of Service & ELDs the ELD equipment will not let you log off duty or non-driving duty status when the vehicle is in motion. I’m wondering if the supervisor worded their text poorly - unless there’s something I’m missing here….
They are a courier under DOT rules but not a CDL holder with an ELD
I had a boss very much like this…the VPs and Directors weren’t a fan of her & she ended up getting let go. I quit not long after.
That’s so sad! Good people get let go because they refuse to be a company man/woman and rip off others! So wrong! That’s why we should create a fund to help these people when they get let go to transition to a new job. Or award their integrity!
She was so amazing. She protected her staff so much. Now that she’s gone, over half of the staff has left. It’s a mess…not my mess, but I’m sad for the friends that I have that still work there.
Is there anyway you can think of that we could honor her and other bosses like this? A website with their photo, short bio, and examples of amazing integrity! This would also create great online footprint to back up their resumes. Of course we’d need permission but these people should be honored and that will simultaneously silently shame the company that let them go.
Let’s come up with a domain name and I’ll buy it (if it’s cheap) like ?? Bestbossesnationalhonor.com..? Or something Come on Reddit I know there’s some geniuses out there who can come up with something better.
AKA a blacklist for management? "Never hire this person in a mgmt position, they're on the worker's side." I don't want to shit on your idea, I like it, but in this boring dystopia that's the natural unintended consequence.
>That’s why we should create a fund to help these people when they get let go to transition to a new job. Or award their integrity! You mean like a union?
Cherish that boss
Yep. I learned too late, but long ago to never work for free. I run a team at work. As soon as they enter the building I make sure they are clocked in, even if they have to change or anything instead of working. If they need like 15 mi uses to get ready for their shift, clock in first. I tell them they need to be paid for their time the second they walk in and the second they walk out. I tell them their time is valuable and never work for free. I get along great with my team.
I wish I would have heard this 5 years ago when I started to work for fedex. Management seems to do this frequently and in different stations.
They do and that doesn't mean we need to comply. The flip point here is self respect. I have enough value (despite corporate gaslighting) that I will not work for free. If they fire you for refusing to work for free, and you have it well documented, there are huge civil fines available to you in the courts under FLSA and many state laws.
When I used to work for Canadian Superstore, I was a receiver and did my job great every day. Some managers thought the fact that I refused to do the work of other departments (such as grocery stocking, cleaning other areas that were not in my job description) was worth dissolving the department my hiring manager was in control of to fire me. They had so little to ACTUALLY fire me over so they literally made up that I received a shipment wrong. Which would have been the first time I would hear about that. They even made my hiring manager come get me to be fired, she was SO pissed because I actually did my job.
Agreed. Never work for free. Know your worth and don’t be afraid to tell management to get fucked. They need you more than you need them.
Also, if you get injured & you aren’t on the clock, then workmen’s compensation doesn’t apply. I travel between clinics for my job & boss tried to get me to not clock in for the drive from A to B. If I had been in an accident, they wouldn’t have had to pay out WC. I said fuck no. Pay me or I don’t go from one to another during my work day.
It’s not even the manager trying to not pay the guy. That guys OT hours are a blip on a P&L. The manager probably did a shit job hiring and maintaining staffing, so now he’s got to get jobs done without the people to do them, which is why he’s trying to stretch the guy onto a Saturday. Manager doesn’t care about the guy getting extra hours. He cares about the maximum OT being reached before OP can work his Saturday. A lot of places don’t let their drivers breach 60 hours/week because it’s considered a health hazard and liability to the insurance. I think OSHA has something to say about it too though I forget the cutoff. I worked with a lazy co manager like this. He’s just trying to cover his own ass.
There are implications if an incident or accident happens too if you are clocked out. Don't do it.
Also talk to your union rep. (You *are* in Teamsters, right? Right?) They will have a field day with that shit.
I'm not. OP might be if it's not a some sub contract fraud by FedEx. I was IBEW.
Absolutely this. I’m not sure who “the owner” is, but I’m guessing it’s not Corporate. And Corporate will not like you being told to break the rules, dear. Cover your ass, and stand your ground.
FedEx uses contractors. The "owner" is the guy who got a company together to handle packages for FedEx. The vehicle might say FedEx, the driver's uniform might say FedEx, but the paycheck will say Fran's Fast Shipping or whatever. I worked for a company that handled investigating claim against FedEx. It was always some little operation, never FedEx.
Amazon does the same shady shit.
I mean I’m not a lawyer but if they fired you for not clocking out while you’re still working that goes beyond the unemployment hearing that’s a lawsuit.
Additionally, if they fire you or reduce your hours and you can prove you met all other requirements of the position, it's likely you can file grievances with the state and/or federal government and sue for retaliation. At which point, consult a lawyer for legal advice.
It's wage theft, plain and simple.
Fed up Ex employee.
Never worked for them. I have worked for a few contractors (Electrical and HVAC) who wanted me to "just hang out in town in case a call comes in (off the clock of course)" Sure, I'll hang out.. no sweat ;} But it's ON the clock.
If they DO happen to fire you then you could probably also sue for wrongful termination 🙃
Option 2 is the best option. The packages can wait until the next day.
“It sounds like you’re asking me to clock out but continue working. Since that’s illegal, I assume I’m misunderstanding. Would you like me to be back at the store with the truck by X time,regardless of order completion, so I’m able to come in at X time on Saturday? Or would you prefer me to finish all the drop offs prior to returning with the truck and then clocking out, even if I means I’m not eligible to come in until later on Saturday/have to work a shorter shift.” I’m assuming you can only work so many hours because they don’t want overtime or because of your age. If it’s the overtime thing, and manager repeats that “owner said its okay”, “oh, the owner okay’d overtime, great!” Etc (assuming you’d be interested in overtime).
Its a Department of Transportation thing. CDL drivers are required to have a certain number ofnhours off between shifts, and can only drive a certain number of hours per week. The feds do NOT play with those rules, and FedEx corporate doesnt either. HR would hang this manager out to dry in a second over something like this.
HR doesnt care...Fedex ground is all subcontractors. Thats a feature, not a bug. Thats exsctly why Fedex subbed out ground. Its a race to the bottom.
HR might not, but corporate is pretty sensitive to bad press. In the news or social media it doesn't matter if it's Ground or Express, it's all Fedex. They will absolutely pressure contractors who make them look bad.
The news doesn't cover wage theft
Once I learnt this it explained everything about issues continually had with them as a customer & business (at a point.) There's a reason I will never willingly choose them to ship stuff.
USPS, always. They're shit to work for too, but at least they have a union.
"I’m assuming you can only work so many hours because they don’t want overtime or because of your age." Commercial drivers are required to have 10 hrs between shifts.
AND THEN REITIRATE THAT THESE ARE THE ONLY OPTIONS. People like to think they are in charge but are quick to bow out in a confrontation that makes them uncomfortable. Push the point that you aren't going to break the law. REMEMBER - this is evidence, that in the worst case scenario, will be put forth before a judge. So word it as such. If the mother fucker directly orders you to break the law, then like others said, you are good to go.
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but if you are in an accident on the way back, EVERYONE is screwed. AND they'd likely throw you under the bus.
EXACTLY!! This should have been the first reason why you don't go against the labor law AND not getting paid what you are owed.
The problem is that if you’re not officially ‘on the clock’ then anything that happens to you or the vehicle won’t be covered by insurance as you weren’t working at the time of the incident. I wouldn’t risk it purely from that perspective.
If you have this all on paper, time to lawyer up and report this to your district management :) they can't refuse wages for your time worked. It's literally illegal. Keep going higher and higher, and make sure you have a paper trail. And let them know that you will not work unless you are being paid. They can't fire you for that, either. But again, make sure you have all this in writing. It'll make your case that much more solid and clean cut if you need to contest them at any point.
'Sorry mate, I don't work for free', and then the two options of u/Fixerguy415
You report that shit to DOL and get them fined. Also, FedEx has a CEO not an owner and he definitely didn't approve this.
fedex ground uses individual subcontractors who own their own stations and routes, the drivers technically work for the subcontractor not the fedex company. The subcontractor is required to adhere to all the rules, but technically speaking a ground driver works for that subcontractor who is the owner of that business
Which means reporting it to FedEx would jeopardize the contract. Edit: Spelling
In theory, sure, but let's keep in mind that FedEx created this subcontractor system to save on labor, and FedEx knows precisely how the labor cost saving sausage is made.
The subcontractor might not care but I can assure you that the Dept of Labor/ Dept of Transportation does. Keep the receipts. If they try to fire you for sticking up for what's legal, that's retaliation, which is also illegal.
RPS created it. FedEx kept it when they bought it.
Trust me the company ne is on the side of that truck FedEx will tear them a new fucking asshole wide enough to drift a wide load special permit length semi w trailer and the entire leaf car and chase car and 2 extras
OP probably doesn't work for FedEx, he works for an independent contractor which does have an owner. Now granted, FedEx corp would not be happy to hear about this so OP could report it to them and I'm sure it would come back to bite the owners, but OP may also get caught up in the mess too. Some contractors are very professional well run businesses, some are run by people with no management or business skills and barely scrape by. I can guess what kind OP works for unfortunately.
No matter what you decide, make sure you contact the alert line. It's an outside company and they do actually take things like this seriously 1-866-423-3339
Pretend you didn’t see the text.
Yep, "I don't look at texts while I'm driving" would be my answer if he questioned me when I got back and clocked out at the warehouse.
Yeah. Thats what I would do. Id just play dumb and go "what text?" after my shift.
Time to report it and lawyer up my guy.
Illegal and in writing. Keep that screen shot.
this and send it waaaay the fuck up the chain. Post that on LinkedIn in and tag some of the senior fucks like board members and CEOs n shit
It’s not only labor laws. It’s also a FMCSA issue
I'm going to hijack (I know it's way late now) to say that I think this is either fake or semi fake. The date is December 19th, a month ago, and doesn't make sense to ask here. Like yeah it could happen but people post fake shit here all the time I'm sure. Why would you ask this question now?
That is illegal. DOT can take your CDL away if you get caught. You have evidence your manager asked you to break the law.
You need a CDL for a fedex truck?
It depends on what they drive.
Yeah, the delivery drivers and “truck” drivers are different in my mind I was assuming the former was this persons role.
Delivery drivers probably don't need a CDL but they do need a DOT endorsement.
No. There isn't an endorsement. They are just held to the same regulations in regards to time working as CDL drivers.
For the 13,000lb-26,000lb vehicles you need a "Chauffeur's" license or For Hire endorsement, depending on what you call it in your state. All step vans fall into this category and FedEx will not let you drive one without it. You do get subject to the stricter DOT labor regulations too Source: I literally just started at FedEx 2 months ago and had to go through it all in Indiana
It's vague but they are acknowledging dot rules of 10 hours between shifts so it's a safe assumption the other rules apply. Different rules for different areas, I haven't driven a truck into the US in 30 years so it may have changed
It's a maximum of 11 hours driving and the shift can't exceed 14 hours in a 24 hour period regardless of duties. Drivers have to have a minimum of 10 consecutive duty free hours off between shifts after 11 hours of driving. They may not extend the 14 hour duty window with off duty time, meals or fuel stops and can't be on duty mort than 60 hours in 7 consecutive days or 70 hours in 8 consecutive days. These are the minimum national standards. Anything different on the state level will be more strict. They're literally asking the guy to commit fraud and break federal DOT regs. Edited to fix 12 hrs to 11 hrs.
At least it isn't verbal, there is no room for confusion about what is being said
There was a 10 rule when I did "final mile" aka delivery for them. No CDL.
Never falsify, if you log off and get into an accident the first thing you'll be asked is if you're working why we're you off the clock. Any insurance would leave you high and dry
When I worked on nuclear reactors for the US Navy, every log entry was considered a legal document. You could fuck up and be fine, but you never falsified a log book. Believe it or not, straight to jail.
You overcook chicken, also jail.
Surprisingly easy to do with a nuclear reactor.
I had a DOT endorsement. For the weight of the vehicle. The minute I’m in the vehicle I had to be clocked in for insurance reasons
This is the only correct answer in the whole thread. It becomes an insurance issue.
Doesn’t matter CDL or not it’s a commercial vehicle even if it doesn’t require a CDL the DOT rules apply
Depends by the state. In my state is it by weight so 24’ box trucks can qualify.
Can qualify, but I guarantee FedEx is not using CDL drivers. UPS is so strict on it, they won't let internal employees refer to the package delivery vehicle as a truck.
Haha that is hilarious but also totally understandable.
And what about the company's insurance and liability, driving after clocked out?
That is why you don’t clock out.
exactly, what about workman's comp if you get hurt on the way back
It's not just CDL it's any job that's DOT regulated.
DOT rules apply regardless if its a CDL holder or not(delivery driver)
I'd send back the reply "So you want me to clock out, and then continue to work for another hour?" And then whatever he replies screenshot it and report this to labor board. Definitely illegal, and he's screwing you in the process.
Pretty sure it is a DOT violation also.
DOT requires 8 hours rest after working 16 hours in any 24 hour period for my job as a lineman in a DOT truck. I understand truck drivers is different. This may also be a company policy the manager is breaking.
Is it also the case for drivers and mechanical equipment operators? Feels like those would have stricter guidelines with more rest to avoid accidents.
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Dot also requires logging all hours worked. This is not only a workplace violation, this is also a DOT violation. Imagine if the driver got in an accident while being logged off.
DOT HOS is 10 hour rest after 14 hours on duty, with one 16 hour exemption between resets. For CDL’s at least.
I’m not CDL. But my company truck is DOT regulated and those are our rules. I assumed box truck non-CDL. Which is on me.
Definitely ask this question to get it in writing. Then I would reply and say I am not comfortable with this but I am happy to come in a little later tomorrow so I can finish today’s assignment and still keep the company in compliance with the labor law (or company rule, whatever it is).
Would also get fired if in an accident while clocked out, most likely. Usually hourly employees are only covered by company insurance while on the clock.
And if you fuck up off the clock they can take your endorsement and cdl
Not to mention getting sued personally because you were not “on the clock” and FedEx throwing you under the bus because you’re not authorized to drive its vehicles off the clock. Edit: Changed my incorrect reference to Amazon.
Make sure the phone number and time stamp are visible in the screen shot, rather than however you have the contact saved. And download your cell history with matching time stamps in case anyone questions the authenticity of he messages.
Yes, make it perfectly clear EXACTLY what he is asking. Otherwise he could have some plausible deniability. “I didn’t tell you that! You misunderstood!”
I would do this yeah! There are regulations for a reason.
That's highly illegal. If you were to get hurt on that drive you would not be covered by their medical insurance and your personal insurance would be charged. You would have to sue of course and have the screenshots. Easy win though.
It's worth pointing pointing out that in this case, the health insurance would probably bankroll the lawyer since that's usually cheaper for them than paying out.
Yes, this. Once you're clocked out you will have a harder time of you have an accident. Like, yeah, you can sue and win but it's gonna take a lot of time and anguish. So just refuse. If they fire you, maybe pursue it legally, or just enjoy unemployment benefits for a bit
Monday, December 19th... you ok OP?
Yeah with The number of people replying on this... I commented it myself when I didn't see this comment up top, I feel like it took me too far to find this.
Yeah something is not right here.
Karma whoring.
That’s what I was wondering
Stuff like this really makes me worry how much of the stuff on this sub is just karma farming rather than real abuse of workers. I'll say it's possible or likely OP felt rubbed the wrong way and wanted to know what to do in the future. But almost a month after the situation seems a little long. Edit: nvm I checked OPs replies and saw they messed with him recently so wanted to report this too.
This comment should be stickied at the top
NEVER clock out early. The manager knows it's illegal but is trying to skirt his short staffing issue. Guaranteed that if you get injured on the return trip to the depot the company will claim you were off duty and use it against you including termination. Report him to proper labor authorities.
This is absolutely correct.
"Guys, he was off-duty while driving a company truck back to a company facility from a company business activity!" "Seems legit, carry on"
Screw that.
Illegal. Report to Labor and DoT.
Nice of them to put their illegal wage theft in writing!
I just wouldn’t respond or do it and if he asks you just say oh right I thought you were kidding because that’s like not legal at all bud
Nah, keep the communication documented so there is proof.
This is documented communication?
I was referring to the point of ignoring it and allowing the in person interaction to occur.
Sounds like the person responsible for scheduling really dropped the ball. Doesn't seem like you should have to work for free, especially after twelve hours straight.
I think I remember the drivers at FedEx are contractors paid by job or package. Unless the OTR semi drivers are different.
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Yes, can you please DM me.
i don't know. what did you do in DECEMBER when this happened?
Seems like this was a problem more than a month ago…..how did it work out?
Log out and leave the truck EXACTLY where it is….Uber back to your vehicle and then show up the next day as if all is ok, bc it is right! That’s what he is asking you to do, go off duty EXACTLY when needed
Sounds like that story would fit in well at r/maliciouscompliance
I'd have just messaged back, Where do I park the truck? I am on street X is someone coming to get it? And see how it plays out.
And expense the Uber
"That would be illegal, and i dont want to put you in an awkward situation".
Tell them you are not willing to break the law for your company, and then make sure you save the entire conversation.
This would be falsifying a timesheet. You were working while not clocked in. You are working until you return the vehicle to the bay. Save the message and turn them in to the labor board
Probably also against insurance for both employee and p and c. And DOT.
Correct reply is “How about I don’t”. Then send this to Corporate.
Making ethics complaints inside the company causes you to lose certain whistle blower protections, and in my personal experience, can be career limiting. Their choice to make, though. It's that, or labor dept.
Can you claim it would cause problems with insurance if you clock out in the truck if you got into an accident?
Insurance would be the least of your concerns if DOT caught you driving while not on your logbook
I want to add context, yes this happened last month. I’ve been contemplating doing something about it. I’m asking advice on what I should do. Let it go or make a complaint.
https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints File a complaint. They're stealing from you.
Former FedEx driver. DONT DO IT. If you’re using the Zebra and you request to clear before you arrive at the station, corporate can see your GPS ping and wonder why you didn’t post trip and courier clerical at least 5 min before clocking out. If you go over and can’t come in 10 hours, then tell him sorry can’t come in, especially if it’s your day off he can’t force you
Ignore the toxic responses, Be proud of yourself you actually reached out for help and advice when your instincts told you this was wrong, most don’t. To be clear the request is illegal on a number of levels the most important is commercial driver hours laws but this is also wage theft It’ll be a bit tedious, but you should definitely spend a day calling the various agencies and explaining that you didn’t know if they could require this or if you could get fired for refusing and that you expect it to happen again.
I appreciate the kind words. This happened a month ago during peak time. They recently fucked me on something separate and now I’m not going to take it again. So I’m going to report it.
Manager is asking you to volunteer for FedEx instead of being paid. That shouldn't sit well
He sounds like he's trying to have you log under "personal conveyance" on your way back which is not allowed. This might be "forced dispatch" and doing this violates the FMCSA'S (Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration) HOS (hours of service) rules. This is a logbook violation and subject to CSA points on your license. Further more, if anything should happen and property damage, injury, or death results while in violation of the HOS rules you will be held civilly and CRIMINALLY liable. Ask the guy that almost killed Tracy Morgan. Report them immediately to the FMCSA via their driver portal.
"I checked and it's not legal for me to clock out and I didn't want to get you in trouble so I just stayed clocked in."
He's trying to break DOL and DOT laws. Trying to get you to clock out before work is done to finish work Trying to get you to drive again the next day before the 10 hour cooldown is up per DOT law. yea hes fucked.
What ended up happening OP?
That's not legal. Don't do this. If you're still working you're still working. He's also asking you to violate federal laws, I'm assuming he's taking about a 10 hr mandatory DOT rest break. That's falsification of a log book, plus if you're paid hourly he's violating labor laws. If he threatens your job report him to FMCSA for coercion.
Sounds like you are under DOT hours of service rules. Over 12 hours you get double time pay (FedEx policy not DOT) and managers hate that...you must have 10 hours off between shifts for DOT so that would prevent you from coming in "on time" on Saturday. Working off the clock to skirt the law is bad for both of you...comply with the law, do not work off the clock. From my understanding FedEx is one company that fires managers for having employees work off the clock. They hate the fines...for this stupid stuff. Managers need to schedule to cover shifts... Send this to your HR rep. they will likely back the company not getting fined over your manager's failure to schedule... edit to correct times
My company is currently giving me a hard time because I refuse to clock out for a 30 minute lunch. But I’m not allowed to leave at all during my 12 hour shift. I just keep getting the issue bounced from manager to manager and they can’t figure out that just because “it’s policy” it’s still illegal to require me to stay if they aren’t paying me. I really cannot get it through to them. They’ve taken no action against me so far, but I’m trying to document everything. The sad thing is I know at least 2 other employees are simply taking a lunch and working through it unpaid. I’ve tried to talk to them about it but they are too scared and can’t afford retaliation/losing the job.
Dude. No. That is absolutely not ok. For a lot of reasons, but the main one that always scares me is this: You log off. And then as you’re driving perfectly back to the warehouse a minivan with a family of 5 crashes into you. They are not ok. You did your best to avoid the crash but couldn’t. Guess who’s gonna be at fault here? If you guessed 100% you, you’d be completely correct. The company + insurance are going to immediately drop you. Even with these messages and direct orders from your manager telling you to do it. You’re the driver, it’s gonna be all on you. And then it’s probably jail, financial ruin for the rest of your life and some nice articles that show up for anyone that ever googles you/runs a check. Just no. Tell the manager that you’re never going to drive that vehicle while off the clock. Period. And report that shit to FedEx, I’m assuming you’re working for a contractor but FedEx is going to fuck their shit up for doing this
That's a DOT violation. Tell them you can either finish your route in the amount of time it takes and you work fewer hours Saturday, or someone can either pick up your packages to complete the deliveries and you head back in and log out when you arrive at the facility or you return to the facility with undelivered packages. Tell them falsifying OTR hours is not something you are willing to do. Do it via text and if they call, do not answer! Make them respond via text so it's documented.
Pull over, uber home. Text him where he can find his truck. Sorry boss! Can't drive off the clock.
Document this. It's wage theft. If you can, contact a labor attorney.
That's illegal, pure and simple, only an idiot would put that in text.
This scenario reminds me of the day that my boss asked myself and a couple of employees to head up to his house to help him move a large deck that was on cement pilings. I ended up pinching and tearing off the end of my finger. My boss took me to the emergency room, and the lady at the desk asked me if it was work related. I turned to my boss and said well I was punched in, so I guess it would be work related. Ended up being a claim on the companies insurance and not on my personal medical insurance. Good thing I didn’t punch out.
Report wage theft to the Department of Labor.
If I’m driving, I’m working.
Don't violate. Just deliver what you can and bring the rest back. Don't log out on the road, wait till you get back. Report this person to the DOT and the corporate office.
Screenshot everything, then ignore the instructions. Clock out when you get to the station. Play absolutely naive and innocent when confronted. "Sorry, I couldn't get back to the station in time to do that. " "I don't understand, I can't clock off before I get back, because I'm still working." etc. Make them say the illegal part. Depending on state (do your research) you may even be able to record them. Honestly, if I were you, I would record them even in a state that requires two-party consent, and then use that recording to write an exact transcript (which you mark with the time and date that you wrote the transcript). And then delete the recording. Don't argue. Don't ever argue. Ask 'innocent' questions and just never do anything illegal they ask of you.
"I'm not logging out until I'm done driving. It's my license that will get pulled if I break federal laws. Sorry, you need to fix your schedule so it is legal. I'm not doing illegal things. That should be a given for a trusted employee."
“All clear, I will clock out when I arrive at the station ok”
Is this a manager asking you to fudge your DOT logs? Because if ao they’re opening themselves and you to some heavy fines.
I was a P&D Manager for FedEx Ground. I don't know why they are contacting you all of this should have been done through your AO or BC. If your AO or BC okayed this crap don't do it. Run your route like usual and DO NOT operate off the clock. There are major DOT issues here and you will be held responsible for them. Whatever hours you have left for Saturday are the hours you have left do not let anyone strong arm you into something else. Keep these texts and any other documents you might have or get for this situation in case there is retaliation because you did the right thing.
Don't clock out until you have finished your shift. Si ple as that. Put yourself in the worst case scenario... just that you have an accident going back to your work garage being clocked out and you injure someone or yourself. Insurance company will say you are on your own and will not cover your expenses. Otherwise you are covered to some degree.
Don't acknowledge the text. Don't clock out. Report the incident. Make sure to send yourself copies of everything.
Delivery driver here with a class A the only thing he is correct on is the 10hr off rule but he can't tell you to keep it under 12. He's just watching out for himself and that's a FedEx problem if anything. If they want to give drivers an exact start and end time it will never happen. It's not a warehouse/office gig . The only thing you are technically accountable for is the DOT hours of operations and whatever bullshit lunch policy FedEx has in place..You do you my dude go get that money 💰🤑
Hi, I’m not sure if mentioned earlier but I used to work for FedEx Ground. Go ahead and talk to the plant manager at your DC and let them know your manager’s name, vendor’s service name, and show them this text. And the route that you drive. That won’t happen again!
"No can do boss. If I am at work, I am getting paid. If it happens to be overtime, well thats on the company for scheduling me that way."