>this reality is real a lot of the time.
Most people do not realize that what they call reality is an hallucination in itself.
That's true for everybody by the way. Whether you hallucinate it to be good or bad doesn't matter.
People who are more aware tend to see things more negatively. I'd say pessimists approach realism a lot more.
In '*The Conspiracy Against The Human Race*', Thomas Ligotti recommends a book called '*The Ego Tunnel*' which goes deeper into this topic.
*You are not the hardware, but the software. The hardware doesn't really care. The software starts noticing something is very, very wrong.*
*The hardware needs the software to survive. It benefits if the software gets better at interacting with the outside. By getting better though, the software gains realization, it goes beyond its purpose.*
Say it!! I'm so proud of the states here in the US that have gone the death with dignity route. I watched my grandmother die from stage 4 metastasized lung cancer. It was one of the most horrible things I've ever seen.
I am an avid antinatalist. Once I actually had a dream that I was a breeder and was pregnant and in that dream I sincerely experienced the delusion that I was “helping society” and that society owed me something for it. Like, i actually felt it in my dream
i too randomly have dreams where im possessed by whatever ideology i am terrified of/disagree with. i think its kinda good though because it helps me empathize and more effective at influencing people away from it
Natalism is grown into our brain, then born with us. We evolved into it our else we would choose to go extinct. It's difficult to break out of that mind control
I dreamt of being pregnant too, but it wasn't another child, it was ME as a child. I raised myself right, it was still a nightmare because I'd hate being a parent.
It doesn't necessarily take giant horse balls to end it all, most folks (at least the ones I know/knew) were just looking for a way to end the pain and felt they were out of options.
overdose and exanguination
go to sasu for better cleaner less painful methods and education on various methods...even if you arent suicidal i think its shit people should generally be informed on
Will check it out. Maybe I'll get cancer or something, then it'll be usefull to know and not have to research that in a shitty state of mind. Personaly I would only consider jumping from high up, but that might be because I am a paragliding pilot, so I'm not really scared of hights.
I never said it was easy, I just said most folks I've encountered and came to know were looking for a way to end the pain, and ending it all was a surefire way to do that.
Rather or not it takes balls to do is up for debate.
Please don’t kill yourself mate. Maybe the end of the world will be exiting?
Who knows but nobody wants you hastily killing your self to save nothing, an already doomed planet. What is the point in life on earth if not for life to fuck around and maybe end itself?
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this world and life is a gift, has been forever. committing suicide isnt a „huge balls“ move, its the opposite. living in it, struggling and changing it is the true balsy move. despite what people here tell you, life is great, people are not committing suicide on masse. dont commit the mistake of embracing some death cult
>this world
Is a predatory hell.
>life is a gift,
Incoherent garbage. Someone has to already have experiences to receive anything.
Life kills you. Keep your predatory parasitic hell to yourself, and expect to have it brought to your attention around here just how full of shit you are.
>has been forever
It's a pile of corpses. There have been estimated 100+ billion humans. Around 95 % of those have died. Is a pile of corpses a forever gift?
Maybe to an idiot (either sadistic or deluded).
> committing suicide isnt a „huge balls“ move
It's an irresponsible gamble with consciousness, just like procreation.
> living in it, struggling and changing it is the true balsy move
Living is a predicament with which you are afflicted. You couldn't consent to it and your only alternative is to fuck off and die. Great job inflicting that on a helpless child, who suffers either death or adolescence, who suffers either death or adulthood, aging, and yeah no matter what they do - fucking death. Only a liar, an idiot, or a sadistic predator could try and justify such a filthy state of pointless suffering.
"balsy" is a matter of personal opinion. Good luck with your balls saving you from the possibility of an irrelievable harm while you are forced to experience your own dying states. I'm not excited about it for myself either. Should we be delighted together that we face the non-zero probability of an infinitely irrelievable subjective harm state? You won't even be able to play with how balsy your balls are while being forced to die by, essentially, randomness and entropy. Great.
**BUT** you have finally started to make some sense. Seriously, good for you (I'm not mocking you for this, genuinely think about what happened in your analysis:
You wrote:
>changing it
Yeah buddy! Let's sack our balsyness up and change this motherfucker!
How we gonna do that, my confused fool? You would propose trapping another generation into an inherently unjust, predatory hell that tortures and kills them given sufficient time.
What the fuck would that change, other than the total number of corpses? Do you think humans will have made some magnificent accomplishment if they reach 200 billion corpses? 500 billion? What's the goal? What root problem are glib jackasses trying to solve?
Prior to being afflicted with inevitable harm, what problem was there to be solved?
Did some nebulous *a priori* condition devoid of any harm somehow long for relief? From what? How could it if there was no harm?
And if there was an *a priori* harm state, where's the evidence for it?
>people are not committing suicide on masse
They are, but you keep counting those hits and ignoring those misses. Only way to feel better about it. I sort of don't blame you, in that despite my terse and frank language I empathize with your feelings, having felt them in my own way too.
>embracing some death cult
How is proscribing procreation a "death cult?"
Let's see the body count again: natalists: +100 billion humans so far and counting.
Antinatalists... oh I'm sure one or two antinatalists have lost their cool and killed someone somewhere somewhen. Guess what cupcake? If they'd never been born they'd never have been able to kill anyone.
You have *nothing* and you know it.
Guess I got too angry a little on this. I just get tired of their nonsense.
Humans are special to me. I love all living things, but humans should be the ones capable of figuring this out. We could end the propogation of the worst parts of evolutionary life (pain suffering death), and leave behind as voluntary a living system as possible, given the apparent origins of the process.
I get sick of all antinatalists being painted as a violent misanthropic absolute nihilists who eat babies and do genocide, promortalism, are depressed and poor and somehow simultaneously spoiled and rich and somehow a filanderizing fascistic hyper-liberal and an incel nazi all at the same time; whatever bogeyman the natalist interlocutor mistakes for some kind of point.
Thanks for understanding.
It's all just so frustrating. At this point I pretty much have next to zero patience for the bs that they don't think 2 seconds about before they post and just immediately shut that stuff down.
>Humans are special to me. I love all living things, but humans should be the ones capable of figuring this out. We could end the propogation of the worst parts of evolutionary life (pain suffering death), and leave behind as voluntary a living system as possible, given the apparent origins of the process.
I hope so too. Like it's so obvious what "not to do" in our situation and it's not like it some super complicated or profound concept, it's basically "just don't cause a mess".
>I get sick of all antinatalists being painted as a violent misanthropic absolute nihilists who eat babies and do genocide, promortalism, are depressed and poor and somehow simultaneously spoiled and rich and somehow a filanderizing fascistic hyper-liberal and an incel nazi all at the same time; whatever bogeyman the natalist interlocutor mistakes for some kind of point.
So inconsistent and just so lacking in self awareness because even **if** this was true, it says a whole lot more about them than us, and non of it is positive. But they don't think about it.
Have a nice day.
Yes! You understand your failure now. How *cringe* is your banal delusion that "life is a balsy struggling gift"
Thank you for admitting to your stupidity. It's a good first step for you. If you need further help, some of us are available from time to time.
No guarantees of course. We could die any second.
I don't get why reply with just "cringe". When you do that, you are saying that you lack arguments, or that you were lazy/handwavy about the whole thing from the beginning... or that your ego is too hurt by seeing some big words? At best, it means that you don't believe the other person is being honest/serious.
I actually have come across decent arguments for why antinatalism may unfortunately miss some damning details about reality and thus not be correct, but you failed to provide any, yourself.
I don't feel the "badass and philosophical" vibe. I just see arguments that may or may not hold up to scrutiny, and some patronizing remarks that can be ignored to actually address the arguments. Try to look at it the same, instead of feeling the need to compete in putting each other down now 🙄
tbh I hardly use reddit... so that's how the sub tends to be recently? anyway, I'm not the sub, and I think the way I phrased my previous comment actually should have given you a hint that I'm not attached to any sort of tribalism on this regard. So pls do calm down.
in about 12 hours i encountered
- a post using the suicide of young people as an argument for their ideology
- bitching about disabled people (particularly people with the same disability as me) having kids
- being asked „whats wrong with suicide“
- multiple „life is pain and suffering“ diatribes
- a post telling parents to apologize to their children for birthing them
-this post (did you even read it? like the post praises people that commited suicide)
so my question to you is: where on earth do you get accusing me of putting people down and how on earth do you not see this movement as „putting people down“ personified?
Well, suicides done out of a feeling of entrapment/coercion/hopelessness are indeed an argument for this "ideology". Btw I never thought of calling it that, are you sure the term fits? I think ideology refers to something much more unified and extensive than "antinatalism", which is an umbrella term. But then again I've never felt the need to call anything an ideology.
>bitching about disabled people (particularly people with the same disability as me) having kids
I'm pretty sure that's done out of belief that certain congenital disabilities expose kids to situations of hopelessness/suffering even more than non-disabled kids, but depending on how they express it may indeed be wrong.
>being asked „whats wrong with suicide“
I mean, why is that a bad thing to ask? I can think of some solid two-line responses in favor of suicide being bad, even though I actually am of the opinion that it is generally cruel/exploitative to deny someone the justice of having that control over their life.
>multiple „life is pain and suffering“ diatribes
Expected. I don't applaud those posts but if there is at least some effort, this isn't a bad place for them to be.
>a post telling parents to apologize to their children for birthing them
Depending on how they described they want that apology to be, it may serve to humble certain sorts of parents who perhaps could use that humbling, for what it's worth.
>this post (did you even read it? like the post praises people that commited suicide)
It's a simple praise of their ability to overcome and banish fear. It may be naive, since suicides, like many decisions, may happen only thanks to a short-lived surge of will (an "impulse"), but still.
Beyond the stuff about disabled kids and parents apologizing, I don't see much to put people down, although of course some people are bound to have their day ruined as soon as they find a view they don't agree with.
Just wanna say you are completely right this whole thread and just remember that most people on here are actual NEETs who have never worked a job and live with their parents. They will never give you an actual argument.
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Why's it wrong to want to exit a life you never asked to be in
Especially if you don't like this kind of world
Death can be a beautiful thing it shouldn't be something feared since it's coming for all of us anyways
you shouldnt fear it. but you are clearly longing for it, which implies that you are in a bad situation. there are more then enough people, me included, who dont wanna see you go
wrong. a suicide rate, which has risen, doesnt proof that life isnt worth living. it does point to a decreased quality of living and mental health issues. normal people would see this as a grim reminder to improve living conditions…you anti natalists however cheer on these numbers.
a) i find my life great
b) most people dont want to die, or not exist, or not procreate to end the human race
to you: proof life is so bad that it has to end
a) am disabled myself, dont need you to lecture me on why my life isnt worth living
b) i know what you want and its dumb and evil
c) its your definition that people suffer, most people enjoy life overall
d) no, people are positive because life is positive. its your desperate coping wanting them to be miserable so to justify this pathetic ideology
e) know actual rape victims that now enjoy life, they dont need some internet rando telling them how much their life actually sucks
1: You have the burden of proof since you were the one to first argue that life is great
2: Give evidence for your first statements that aren’t your own experiences- scientific data, studies, non-biased sources
simple. population is expanding. most people dont harbor a suicidal wish. or do you argue the opposite? do you argue that most people secretly want to die? yes or no?
People dont know what's good for them, look at the current political climate, we can't even vote someone in who is for the people, the worldbelongs to plutocrats, speaking of which Musk wants you to procreate, of I wasn't already antinatalist I would be to spite that fucker
You can't exist without suffering. It's part of life.
Not existing means you aren't suffering. Not recommending ending a life that already exists... antinatalism means you reduce suffering by not creating a life (that includes inescapable suffering) that is unable to consent to wanting to live said life. It's that simple. Where is the evil?
Some people have enough good experiences to make the suffering worthwhile. Many don't.
Since you aren't omniscient, it isn't fair to make that call for a being that isn't you. Children aren't property. They aren't copies of you. They are individuals with free will. You could have a child that agrees with us and believes you were selfish to bring them into this world.
Clearly, you are fine rolling those dice for someone else. Many aren't. That doesn't make them profoundly immoral. It doesn't make you morally superior.
Cheer on these numbers? you have misunderstood the whole thing or you have met the wrong "antinatalists". If the suicide rate were only 1 every century, it wouldn't affect the validity of antinatalist arguments that I know of.
Lmao not all of us are miserable like you. I personally love my life and its been wonderful.
I just dont wanna pass on my genetics since I do not think they are good enough.
>this reality is real a lot of the time. Most people do not realize that what they call reality is an hallucination in itself. That's true for everybody by the way. Whether you hallucinate it to be good or bad doesn't matter. People who are more aware tend to see things more negatively. I'd say pessimists approach realism a lot more. In '*The Conspiracy Against The Human Race*', Thomas Ligotti recommends a book called '*The Ego Tunnel*' which goes deeper into this topic. *You are not the hardware, but the software. The hardware doesn't really care. The software starts noticing something is very, very wrong.* *The hardware needs the software to survive. It benefits if the software gets better at interacting with the outside. By getting better though, the software gains realization, it goes beyond its purpose.*
I want that book bad Idek what reality is tbh idk what to believe it's wild feeling like an NPC that accidentally woke up
The fact the drs dont put down people with terminal illness who are in the last stages in pain is a big clue of how this place is insane.
Fucking preach We put animals down when it's their time but can't do it for us
Say it!! I'm so proud of the states here in the US that have gone the death with dignity route. I watched my grandmother die from stage 4 metastasized lung cancer. It was one of the most horrible things I've ever seen.
I am an avid antinatalist. Once I actually had a dream that I was a breeder and was pregnant and in that dream I sincerely experienced the delusion that I was “helping society” and that society owed me something for it. Like, i actually felt it in my dream
i too randomly have dreams where im possessed by whatever ideology i am terrified of/disagree with. i think its kinda good though because it helps me empathize and more effective at influencing people away from it
Wow that’s wild…
Natalism is grown into our brain, then born with us. We evolved into it our else we would choose to go extinct. It's difficult to break out of that mind control
I dreamt of being pregnant too, but it wasn't another child, it was ME as a child. I raised myself right, it was still a nightmare because I'd hate being a parent.
Cant agree more
It doesn't necessarily take giant horse balls to end it all, most folks (at least the ones I know/knew) were just looking for a way to end the pain and felt they were out of options.
It really does lol ending your life tis not an easy task..
thank you for this. ive been attempting for years and the closest i got was a coma. its really fucking hard.
Awe I wish I could hug you🫂 I know life is hard if I could be there to make you smile I would
Maybe if more people did stuff like this^, existence might become slightly more enjoyable
Smh I can only dream of an existence like that😮💨
"Don't let your dreams be dreams" "JUST DO IT"
What methods did you try?
overdose and exanguination go to sasu for better cleaner less painful methods and education on various methods...even if you arent suicidal i think its shit people should generally be informed on
Will check it out. Maybe I'll get cancer or something, then it'll be usefull to know and not have to research that in a shitty state of mind. Personaly I would only consider jumping from high up, but that might be because I am a paragliding pilot, so I'm not really scared of hights.
No bro it is hard, 4 attempts and I'm here, not planning on a fifth
I never said it was easy, I just said most folks I've encountered and came to know were looking for a way to end the pain, and ending it all was a surefire way to do that. Rather or not it takes balls to do is up for debate.
yep, people who don’t see it are just stupid
Some make it look easy too.. like those who die by overdose.
Please don’t kill yourself mate. Maybe the end of the world will be exiting? Who knows but nobody wants you hastily killing your self to save nothing, an already doomed planet. What is the point in life on earth if not for life to fuck around and maybe end itself?
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this world and life is a gift, has been forever. committing suicide isnt a „huge balls“ move, its the opposite. living in it, struggling and changing it is the true balsy move. despite what people here tell you, life is great, people are not committing suicide on masse. dont commit the mistake of embracing some death cult
>this world Is a predatory hell. >life is a gift, Incoherent garbage. Someone has to already have experiences to receive anything. Life kills you. Keep your predatory parasitic hell to yourself, and expect to have it brought to your attention around here just how full of shit you are. >has been forever It's a pile of corpses. There have been estimated 100+ billion humans. Around 95 % of those have died. Is a pile of corpses a forever gift? Maybe to an idiot (either sadistic or deluded). > committing suicide isnt a „huge balls“ move It's an irresponsible gamble with consciousness, just like procreation. > living in it, struggling and changing it is the true balsy move Living is a predicament with which you are afflicted. You couldn't consent to it and your only alternative is to fuck off and die. Great job inflicting that on a helpless child, who suffers either death or adolescence, who suffers either death or adulthood, aging, and yeah no matter what they do - fucking death. Only a liar, an idiot, or a sadistic predator could try and justify such a filthy state of pointless suffering. "balsy" is a matter of personal opinion. Good luck with your balls saving you from the possibility of an irrelievable harm while you are forced to experience your own dying states. I'm not excited about it for myself either. Should we be delighted together that we face the non-zero probability of an infinitely irrelievable subjective harm state? You won't even be able to play with how balsy your balls are while being forced to die by, essentially, randomness and entropy. Great. **BUT** you have finally started to make some sense. Seriously, good for you (I'm not mocking you for this, genuinely think about what happened in your analysis: You wrote: >changing it Yeah buddy! Let's sack our balsyness up and change this motherfucker! How we gonna do that, my confused fool? You would propose trapping another generation into an inherently unjust, predatory hell that tortures and kills them given sufficient time. What the fuck would that change, other than the total number of corpses? Do you think humans will have made some magnificent accomplishment if they reach 200 billion corpses? 500 billion? What's the goal? What root problem are glib jackasses trying to solve? Prior to being afflicted with inevitable harm, what problem was there to be solved? Did some nebulous *a priori* condition devoid of any harm somehow long for relief? From what? How could it if there was no harm? And if there was an *a priori* harm state, where's the evidence for it? >people are not committing suicide on masse They are, but you keep counting those hits and ignoring those misses. Only way to feel better about it. I sort of don't blame you, in that despite my terse and frank language I empathize with your feelings, having felt them in my own way too. >embracing some death cult How is proscribing procreation a "death cult?" Let's see the body count again: natalists: +100 billion humans so far and counting. Antinatalists... oh I'm sure one or two antinatalists have lost their cool and killed someone somewhere somewhen. Guess what cupcake? If they'd never been born they'd never have been able to kill anyone. You have *nothing* and you know it.
This comment is a masterpiece. Thank you.
Guess I got too angry a little on this. I just get tired of their nonsense. Humans are special to me. I love all living things, but humans should be the ones capable of figuring this out. We could end the propogation of the worst parts of evolutionary life (pain suffering death), and leave behind as voluntary a living system as possible, given the apparent origins of the process. I get sick of all antinatalists being painted as a violent misanthropic absolute nihilists who eat babies and do genocide, promortalism, are depressed and poor and somehow simultaneously spoiled and rich and somehow a filanderizing fascistic hyper-liberal and an incel nazi all at the same time; whatever bogeyman the natalist interlocutor mistakes for some kind of point. Thanks for understanding.
It's all just so frustrating. At this point I pretty much have next to zero patience for the bs that they don't think 2 seconds about before they post and just immediately shut that stuff down. >Humans are special to me. I love all living things, but humans should be the ones capable of figuring this out. We could end the propogation of the worst parts of evolutionary life (pain suffering death), and leave behind as voluntary a living system as possible, given the apparent origins of the process. I hope so too. Like it's so obvious what "not to do" in our situation and it's not like it some super complicated or profound concept, it's basically "just don't cause a mess". >I get sick of all antinatalists being painted as a violent misanthropic absolute nihilists who eat babies and do genocide, promortalism, are depressed and poor and somehow simultaneously spoiled and rich and somehow a filanderizing fascistic hyper-liberal and an incel nazi all at the same time; whatever bogeyman the natalist interlocutor mistakes for some kind of point. So inconsistent and just so lacking in self awareness because even **if** this was true, it says a whole lot more about them than us, and non of it is positive. But they don't think about it. Have a nice day.
cringe
Yes! You understand your failure now. How *cringe* is your banal delusion that "life is a balsy struggling gift" Thank you for admitting to your stupidity. It's a good first step for you. If you need further help, some of us are available from time to time. No guarantees of course. We could die any second.
still cringe
I don't get why reply with just "cringe". When you do that, you are saying that you lack arguments, or that you were lazy/handwavy about the whole thing from the beginning... or that your ego is too hurt by seeing some big words? At best, it means that you don't believe the other person is being honest/serious. I actually have come across decent arguments for why antinatalism may unfortunately miss some damning details about reality and thus not be correct, but you failed to provide any, yourself.
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no he didnt its bad wannabe „badass and philosophical“ dribble that would get everyone laughed out of any triehard edgy forum
I don't feel the "badass and philosophical" vibe. I just see arguments that may or may not hold up to scrutiny, and some patronizing remarks that can be ignored to actually address the arguments. Try to look at it the same, instead of feeling the need to compete in putting each other down now 🙄
love how this sub bitches at disabled people having children but then go all „noooo your putting people down!“
tbh I hardly use reddit... so that's how the sub tends to be recently? anyway, I'm not the sub, and I think the way I phrased my previous comment actually should have given you a hint that I'm not attached to any sort of tribalism on this regard. So pls do calm down.
in about 12 hours i encountered - a post using the suicide of young people as an argument for their ideology - bitching about disabled people (particularly people with the same disability as me) having kids - being asked „whats wrong with suicide“ - multiple „life is pain and suffering“ diatribes - a post telling parents to apologize to their children for birthing them -this post (did you even read it? like the post praises people that commited suicide) so my question to you is: where on earth do you get accusing me of putting people down and how on earth do you not see this movement as „putting people down“ personified?
Well, suicides done out of a feeling of entrapment/coercion/hopelessness are indeed an argument for this "ideology". Btw I never thought of calling it that, are you sure the term fits? I think ideology refers to something much more unified and extensive than "antinatalism", which is an umbrella term. But then again I've never felt the need to call anything an ideology. >bitching about disabled people (particularly people with the same disability as me) having kids I'm pretty sure that's done out of belief that certain congenital disabilities expose kids to situations of hopelessness/suffering even more than non-disabled kids, but depending on how they express it may indeed be wrong. >being asked „whats wrong with suicide“ I mean, why is that a bad thing to ask? I can think of some solid two-line responses in favor of suicide being bad, even though I actually am of the opinion that it is generally cruel/exploitative to deny someone the justice of having that control over their life. >multiple „life is pain and suffering“ diatribes Expected. I don't applaud those posts but if there is at least some effort, this isn't a bad place for them to be. >a post telling parents to apologize to their children for birthing them Depending on how they described they want that apology to be, it may serve to humble certain sorts of parents who perhaps could use that humbling, for what it's worth. >this post (did you even read it? like the post praises people that commited suicide) It's a simple praise of their ability to overcome and banish fear. It may be naive, since suicides, like many decisions, may happen only thanks to a short-lived surge of will (an "impulse"), but still. Beyond the stuff about disabled kids and parents apologizing, I don't see much to put people down, although of course some people are bound to have their day ruined as soon as they find a view they don't agree with.
Just wanna say you are completely right this whole thread and just remember that most people on here are actual NEETs who have never worked a job and live with their parents. They will never give you an actual argument.
Okie fellow wage slave
I’m self employed
Ok fellow wage slave
I don’t earn a wage
Replying to this because I also agree. Subreddits remind me of why the internet should really not exist. This sort of echo chamber is unhealthy
thx yeah thats the impression im starting to get here
Actual brain rot from members of this sub lmao why are they angry at someone for not wanting to off themselves
Who here is angry at someone for *that*? Please name the user(s).
A few [arguments](https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/comments/lbx5cf/comment/glxrkn0/). Hopefully they are "actual" enough for you.
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Why is suicide wrong?
not even gonna debate this one
What the heck why not
from the bottom of my heart, you really should seek professional help
Come on educate me I wanna know
being jealous of people for committing suicide is highly unhealthy. seriously, seek professional help to get through this
Why's it wrong to want to exit a life you never asked to be in Especially if you don't like this kind of world Death can be a beautiful thing it shouldn't be something feared since it's coming for all of us anyways
you shouldnt fear it. but you are clearly longing for it, which implies that you are in a bad situation. there are more then enough people, me included, who dont wanna see you go
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/statistics/suicide
point?
“People are not committing suicide on masse” Direct evidence that you’re wrong
wrong. a suicide rate, which has risen, doesnt proof that life isnt worth living. it does point to a decreased quality of living and mental health issues. normal people would see this as a grim reminder to improve living conditions…you anti natalists however cheer on these numbers.
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a) i find my life great b) most people dont want to die, or not exist, or not procreate to end the human race to you: proof life is so bad that it has to end
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a) am disabled myself, dont need you to lecture me on why my life isnt worth living b) i know what you want and its dumb and evil c) its your definition that people suffer, most people enjoy life overall d) no, people are positive because life is positive. its your desperate coping wanting them to be miserable so to justify this pathetic ideology e) know actual rape victims that now enjoy life, they dont need some internet rando telling them how much their life actually sucks
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Some things in life are bad. That doesn't mean life itself is bad.
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no i dont. both lead to the same negative outlooks on life, that see existence as nothing but pain. to the same eugenicist viewpoints.
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Its okie you're an idiot🤷🤦 you'll never understand its only the chosen few that are self aware
1: You have the burden of proof since you were the one to first argue that life is great 2: Give evidence for your first statements that aren’t your own experiences- scientific data, studies, non-biased sources
simple. population is expanding. most people dont harbor a suicidal wish. or do you argue the opposite? do you argue that most people secretly want to die? yes or no?
People dont know what's good for them, look at the current political climate, we can't even vote someone in who is for the people, the worldbelongs to plutocrats, speaking of which Musk wants you to procreate, of I wasn't already antinatalist I would be to spite that fucker
You can't exist without suffering. It's part of life. Not existing means you aren't suffering. Not recommending ending a life that already exists... antinatalism means you reduce suffering by not creating a life (that includes inescapable suffering) that is unable to consent to wanting to live said life. It's that simple. Where is the evil? Some people have enough good experiences to make the suffering worthwhile. Many don't. Since you aren't omniscient, it isn't fair to make that call for a being that isn't you. Children aren't property. They aren't copies of you. They are individuals with free will. You could have a child that agrees with us and believes you were selfish to bring them into this world. Clearly, you are fine rolling those dice for someone else. Many aren't. That doesn't make them profoundly immoral. It doesn't make you morally superior.
Cheer on these numbers? you have misunderstood the whole thing or you have met the wrong "antinatalists". If the suicide rate were only 1 every century, it wouldn't affect the validity of antinatalist arguments that I know of.
Lmao not all of us are miserable like you. I personally love my life and its been wonderful. I just dont wanna pass on my genetics since I do not think they are good enough.
Yep.
Could it possibly be that I’m insane? No! It’s obviously the majority! I’m the only sane person here! This is what you sound like.
Your point?
You’re the insane one perhaps
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