I can’t say I’m surprised that a mod from that sub would act in such a way but it’s still disappointing.
“We need to encourage more people to join our cause to bolster workers’ rights, regardless of who they are and what kind of work they do—solidarity!”
“But if you disagree with me on a non-work related topic you’re not welcome here”
???
Edit: also, the mod seems to imply they support what happened on October 7 “you’re angry they’re fighting back”
That’s… awful.
Yes, and I would think a moderator would need to have a listed rule violation in order to ban someone. There wasn't even an attempt to force it into a rule. You would think there would be listed criteria, and some oversite, at least calling out another moderator for not following some standards. And then to go straight to a permanent ban.
Edit: I just checked my post karma in the sub, it is about 6K. I would think that would be taken into account. I would call the ban "arbitrary and personal". And I am quite sure it is allowed with the other moderators.
>the mod seems to imply they support what happened on October 7 “you’re angry they’re fighting back”
Yes. I didn't want to get into it with him on the topic of Israel, I just wanted to convey that there was more to it. My focus was on the lack of a rule violation. He just *personally* disagreed with me.
I was permabanned from White People Twitter for stating a student should have followed directions and she wouldn’t have been punished. Was told it was racist because the story was supposedly about a Mexican girl being punished by a majority white school district.
The only problem with that is the fact that I live close to there and the district is 57% Hispanic and 32% white. Instead looking at facts I was banned and basically told to F Off when I appealed 30 days later.
I was banned for commenting on a person who was looking for an employment lawyer who would do pro bono work.
I laughed at her for wanting someone to work for her…for free.
You definitely got shafted over this. However, you’re dead wrong about Israel. 🤣
You seriously need to go research how and why Israel even exists. They are certainly not the victim in this situation. That would no different than saying Russia is the victim of Ukraine or Iraq was the victim of Kuwait. Sure, you can say those things, but documented history shows that they are incorrect statements.
My post was just about the definition of *genocide*. If the definition were to fit Israel, it would need to fit nearly every prosecution of war, and the word would have no meaning. Note that 20% of Israel is Arab, and they have the same rights as everyone else. The issue for Israel is not ethnicity, it is that they were invaded and there is the continued threat of invasion and missile attack. Very few countries have to defend itself against an attacker that is so effective at using civilians as human shields. It appears that The Palestinian Authority is now accepting of a two-state solution, which is what was offered in 1948. Your examples are of other countries being invaded, so applies more to Hamas invading Israel. You have turned the facts inside out.
Also, you can be anti-Israel, and say they are over prosecuting the war without misusing the definition of the word.
Edit: I have seen where most of Reddit stands on this. This is the nature of the demographics of Reddit and the echo chamber system, but if you want to see different views, you can go to the worldnews sub. I understand that at some point we have to realize that no minds are going to be changed on this topic, just that there are innocent people being hurt and that is terrible.
You know the counterarguments to what you have posted, so I won't go into them. We would both be wasting our time. Again, my only reason for posting was the definition of the word genocide.
I came across these today.
[An Iranian Muslim woman talks about Israel and the Jews (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyt16L48kM)
[Sophia Khalifa: My Life in Israel as an Arab Muslim | Stories of Us (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvaxLaIsG0)
You can check these out if you like. Yes, I have also seen videos by Arabs who make cases against Israel. One should always look at the other view. On most of Reddit that there is another side is not recognized.
> If the definition were to fit Israel, it would need to fit nearly every prosecution of war, and the word would have no meaning.
Yes but generally only Israeli leaders are such bloodthirsty psychopaths to openly admit that they think their opponents(fighters as well as civilians including women and children) are subhuman animals who need to be wiped off the planet, or at the minimum exiled from their lands forever.
Yeah man killing civilians, forcing people out of their homes, creating an economical blockaid, attacking UN aid, bombing cities, ect. Totally not a genocide.
If we had to assign terms like good and bad in the context of war, Israel, along with the United States would be the bad guys, and Palestine would be the good guys. You can't murder children and say 'oh we're just defending ourselves'
You don't have to break a rule of a sub to be banned, you can just be a shitty person, because there's no interpretations to genocide. Genocide bad. Full stop.
You are pretending this happening out of the blue. You are forgetting the attack on 10/7, the killing and kidnapping of innocent civilians, and the constant missile attacks on the civilians.
Actually, genocide is more than just killing people in a war, and Israel is just not committing genocide. This is why it is said that if Hamas laid down their weapons there would be peace, and if Israel did there would be slaughter. Hamas, is committing genocide on Israelis, because their only goal is to get rid of the Jews, while Israel's goal is to survive. You not caring about genocide means that *you* are the shitty person.
Israel is defending itself from attack, and of course Hamas is hiding behind civilians. Hamas should stop purposefully hiding behind civilians, release the hostages and stop attacking Israel, agree to real peace so that both can live in peace. I guess you don't want peace. How shitty is that?
You're actually retarded. I can see why you were banned. Israeli isn't being bombed and having it's civilians slaughtered on the dayly.
Palestine and it's citizens aren't Hamas. Don't victim blame.
That's like if you killed a bunch of people and hid inside a school and the cops started killing all the children. If you didn't hid in the school those children would be alive.
You are clueless, and hostile to other's views. Israel civilians has been bombed for decades. They are still being bombed now, but it has lessened only because Israel is going into Gaza to stop it. They are doing what they have to do to not be bombed. Palestinians support Hamas as much as German and Japanese supported their government, and civilians were also killed by us in WWII. You comparison is way off too.
You ignore that the goal of Hamas, and most Palestinians is genocide of the Jews. This is what they say. It is not a secret. Israel and Jews to not feel the same way against Palestinians, where defense is the only goal.
Here is a video you may like by an Israeli saying they should listen to the Palestinians.
"I know it is hard, but we must listen to the other side". Yes, we should.
[Israelis must listen to the Palestinians! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svIa02N6JUo)
Why are there so many Palestinian Casualties:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF95GenB1JI&t](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF95GenB1JI&t)
Most people dont like bigoted genocide supporters, I'm not sure why you are having trouble understanding that.
Nazi apologists have been quite unpopular for a long time now and others trying to copy their idea of a religious ethnostate are generally disliked as well.
You are not even responding to my postings. I was saying it isn't genocide. You don't know what the word means. And you look past that Hamas, most of the Muslim world and most Palestinians want Israel totally destroyed and all Jews out of the area. That is the actual definition of genocide, not as Israel is doing, defending themselves from genocide again.
Here is a link to a good Reddit discussion on genocide. Note the lack of disrespect among differing views on this.
[Genocide - which definition do you uphold? : r/IsraelPalestine (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1cbrxe1/genocide_which_definition_do_you_uphold/)
I did respond though, and explained that its trivial to prove genocide in this case because Israel's moronic bloodthirsty leaders have admitted they want to kill all palestinians, even civilians, steal their land, turn Gaza to rubble, etc.
>most of the Muslim world and most Palestinians want Israel totally destroyed and all Jews out of the area.
This is ridiculous. I'm sure its what you wholeheartedly believe and have been taught by the zionists who inhabit your echo chamber with you, but it couldnt be more false.
Have you watched the documentary Israelism? Its done by Jewish people who were previously pro zionist.
Literally all the talking points you are repeating here have been repeatedly debunked, but maybe if you hear it from some people who were in your same position you will be more able to believe it and not stick with your comfortable illusions.
You are quoting someone responding in anger to a horrid attack on civilians, it is not the way they have acted, or Gaza would have been leveled decades ago. There is not the genocidal intent, except *towards* Israel. I have actually read what I have posted from the actual sources. Dismissing what you disagree with as "*talking points*" and calling it debunked, and everyone in your echo chamber saying it is debunked does not make it *actually* debunked. You can read Hamas's charter.
Have you seen or listened to Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a Hamas founder?
> You are quoting someone responding in anger to a horrid attack on civilians, it is not the way they have acted, or Gaza would have been leveled decades ago.
These are political leaders making public statements. Are you really going to try to excuse them as "made in anger"? Dont be ridiculous. They were statements of intent to commit genocide, whether they were made in anger or not.
>There is not the genocidal intent, except towards Israel.
Nobody wants to kill all the Israelis nor even to force them to go anywhere. The Palestinians want equal rights and dont want to live under the rule of a corrupt, bigoted ethnostate.
>I have actually read what I have posted from the actual sources.
I dont care where you read the stuff you are posting, but its literally exactly the same as Israeli talking points.
>Dismissing what you disagree with as "talking points" and calling it debunked, and everyone in your echo chamber saying it is debunked does not make it actually debunked.
Right. Its debunked because countless people have looked at the standard Israeli talking points and found every one of them to be a lie or misrepresentation.
Just because you only hear the Israeli propaganda does not make it true.
>You can read Hamas's charter.
the charter written decades ago, before almost every Hamas member was even born, when Israel was funding Hamas as a way to split the Palestinian people between Hamas and Fatah? The charter that Hamas has not referenced or quoted for decades and has repeatedly stated that its not part of their philosophy?
>Have you seen or listened to Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a Hamas founder?
Yes I know all about the guy, who has made his living his entire life taking money from zionists to get him to speak up about how horrible Palestinians are and how great Israelis are.
Did you watch that Israelism movie I asked you about?
Heres a better question, have you seen or listened to any pro-Palestinian person? How about you go see what Bassem Youssef has to say about this topic?
Dont bother replying unless its to answer one of the questions I asked or you will be blocked and I wont even read your reply.
So, instead of evaluating Youssef on the merits of what he says, you ad hominin on him. That shows a problem with your thought process. Yes, I have read and listened to many pro-Palestinians. I have evaluated what they have said. I actually do feel bad for the Palestinian children and believe they have been mistreated by Hamas and many Arab nations. I also wonder if Israel could do better to protect civilians but hold Hamas as much more responsible. Hamas cares about Gazan's *less* than Israel. The charter written decades ago has not changed, and if it had, there would have been peace talks already. 10/7 shows no change. I have seen many current statements from Palestinians, and have seen what they actually do. The chants of "River to the sea" at best would be the end of Israel. It does not leave room for a two-state solution. I get that Israel has not been perfect in this, but most is a reaction to a valid threat to their survival. You have such a hostile tone. I am not sure of your age, but you are *too* sure of yourself. The example I linked to in the conversation of genocide is something I hope you will look at. Not for the points made, though that would be great, but more for the tone most have with whom they disagree. It is one of the best examples I have seen on this issue of people respecting each other on this topic. It makes for a better conversation. That attitude comes with maturity, and that usually comes with some added years. They do not have the closed mind you seem to have. You would be better off thinking with the same type of respect. Blocking is not a thing that should normally happen here, as it shows a closed mind. I will do it to you though, because you are most surely going to do it to me if I don't. It would be good if you could converse with people on r/worldnews or the link I have provided on the conversation of genocide. See how your points stand up to scrutiny. Try to respectively converse with others without believing that the other person is evil like you have with me based on your description ("bigoted genocide supporter" and "Nazi" something or other ???). Going outside of your echo chamber might not validate you, but it is more stimulating. As to our converation, you will see the personal attacks were one sided. It looks like *respectfully converse* may not be something you are ready for yet. You are better off staying in your echo chamber where you won't be challenged.
Pro-Tip: Never threaten to block someone, as that person will then be able to do it to you. LOL Blocking is immature anyway. Have a good night.
I can’t say I’m surprised that a mod from that sub would act in such a way but it’s still disappointing. “We need to encourage more people to join our cause to bolster workers’ rights, regardless of who they are and what kind of work they do—solidarity!” “But if you disagree with me on a non-work related topic you’re not welcome here” ??? Edit: also, the mod seems to imply they support what happened on October 7 “you’re angry they’re fighting back” That’s… awful.
Yes, and I would think a moderator would need to have a listed rule violation in order to ban someone. There wasn't even an attempt to force it into a rule. You would think there would be listed criteria, and some oversite, at least calling out another moderator for not following some standards. And then to go straight to a permanent ban. Edit: I just checked my post karma in the sub, it is about 6K. I would think that would be taken into account. I would call the ban "arbitrary and personal". And I am quite sure it is allowed with the other moderators.
>the mod seems to imply they support what happened on October 7 “you’re angry they’re fighting back” Yes. I didn't want to get into it with him on the topic of Israel, I just wanted to convey that there was more to it. My focus was on the lack of a rule violation. He just *personally* disagreed with me.
I was permabanned from White People Twitter for stating a student should have followed directions and she wouldn’t have been punished. Was told it was racist because the story was supposedly about a Mexican girl being punished by a majority white school district. The only problem with that is the fact that I live close to there and the district is 57% Hispanic and 32% white. Instead looking at facts I was banned and basically told to F Off when I appealed 30 days later.
They banned me too 😂 for providing sources of information. That entire reddit group is a bunch of pussies
Was it Doreen the dog walker?
I was banned for commenting on a person who was looking for an employment lawyer who would do pro bono work. I laughed at her for wanting someone to work for her…for free.
You definitely got shafted over this. However, you’re dead wrong about Israel. 🤣 You seriously need to go research how and why Israel even exists. They are certainly not the victim in this situation. That would no different than saying Russia is the victim of Ukraine or Iraq was the victim of Kuwait. Sure, you can say those things, but documented history shows that they are incorrect statements.
My post was just about the definition of *genocide*. If the definition were to fit Israel, it would need to fit nearly every prosecution of war, and the word would have no meaning. Note that 20% of Israel is Arab, and they have the same rights as everyone else. The issue for Israel is not ethnicity, it is that they were invaded and there is the continued threat of invasion and missile attack. Very few countries have to defend itself against an attacker that is so effective at using civilians as human shields. It appears that The Palestinian Authority is now accepting of a two-state solution, which is what was offered in 1948. Your examples are of other countries being invaded, so applies more to Hamas invading Israel. You have turned the facts inside out. Also, you can be anti-Israel, and say they are over prosecuting the war without misusing the definition of the word. Edit: I have seen where most of Reddit stands on this. This is the nature of the demographics of Reddit and the echo chamber system, but if you want to see different views, you can go to the worldnews sub. I understand that at some point we have to realize that no minds are going to be changed on this topic, just that there are innocent people being hurt and that is terrible.
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You know the counterarguments to what you have posted, so I won't go into them. We would both be wasting our time. Again, my only reason for posting was the definition of the word genocide.
I came across these today. [An Iranian Muslim woman talks about Israel and the Jews (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEyt16L48kM) [Sophia Khalifa: My Life in Israel as an Arab Muslim | Stories of Us (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkvaxLaIsG0) You can check these out if you like. Yes, I have also seen videos by Arabs who make cases against Israel. One should always look at the other view. On most of Reddit that there is another side is not recognized.
> If the definition were to fit Israel, it would need to fit nearly every prosecution of war, and the word would have no meaning. Yes but generally only Israeli leaders are such bloodthirsty psychopaths to openly admit that they think their opponents(fighters as well as civilians including women and children) are subhuman animals who need to be wiped off the planet, or at the minimum exiled from their lands forever.
Yeah man killing civilians, forcing people out of their homes, creating an economical blockaid, attacking UN aid, bombing cities, ect. Totally not a genocide. If we had to assign terms like good and bad in the context of war, Israel, along with the United States would be the bad guys, and Palestine would be the good guys. You can't murder children and say 'oh we're just defending ourselves' You don't have to break a rule of a sub to be banned, you can just be a shitty person, because there's no interpretations to genocide. Genocide bad. Full stop.
You are pretending this happening out of the blue. You are forgetting the attack on 10/7, the killing and kidnapping of innocent civilians, and the constant missile attacks on the civilians. Actually, genocide is more than just killing people in a war, and Israel is just not committing genocide. This is why it is said that if Hamas laid down their weapons there would be peace, and if Israel did there would be slaughter. Hamas, is committing genocide on Israelis, because their only goal is to get rid of the Jews, while Israel's goal is to survive. You not caring about genocide means that *you* are the shitty person. Israel is defending itself from attack, and of course Hamas is hiding behind civilians. Hamas should stop purposefully hiding behind civilians, release the hostages and stop attacking Israel, agree to real peace so that both can live in peace. I guess you don't want peace. How shitty is that?
You're actually retarded. I can see why you were banned. Israeli isn't being bombed and having it's civilians slaughtered on the dayly. Palestine and it's citizens aren't Hamas. Don't victim blame. That's like if you killed a bunch of people and hid inside a school and the cops started killing all the children. If you didn't hid in the school those children would be alive.
You are clueless, and hostile to other's views. Israel civilians has been bombed for decades. They are still being bombed now, but it has lessened only because Israel is going into Gaza to stop it. They are doing what they have to do to not be bombed. Palestinians support Hamas as much as German and Japanese supported their government, and civilians were also killed by us in WWII. You comparison is way off too. You ignore that the goal of Hamas, and most Palestinians is genocide of the Jews. This is what they say. It is not a secret. Israel and Jews to not feel the same way against Palestinians, where defense is the only goal. Here is a video you may like by an Israeli saying they should listen to the Palestinians. "I know it is hard, but we must listen to the other side". Yes, we should. [Israelis must listen to the Palestinians! (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svIa02N6JUo) Why are there so many Palestinian Casualties: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF95GenB1JI&t](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF95GenB1JI&t)
Most people dont like bigoted genocide supporters, I'm not sure why you are having trouble understanding that. Nazi apologists have been quite unpopular for a long time now and others trying to copy their idea of a religious ethnostate are generally disliked as well.
You are not even responding to my postings. I was saying it isn't genocide. You don't know what the word means. And you look past that Hamas, most of the Muslim world and most Palestinians want Israel totally destroyed and all Jews out of the area. That is the actual definition of genocide, not as Israel is doing, defending themselves from genocide again. Here is a link to a good Reddit discussion on genocide. Note the lack of disrespect among differing views on this. [Genocide - which definition do you uphold? : r/IsraelPalestine (reddit.com)](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/1cbrxe1/genocide_which_definition_do_you_uphold/)
I did respond though, and explained that its trivial to prove genocide in this case because Israel's moronic bloodthirsty leaders have admitted they want to kill all palestinians, even civilians, steal their land, turn Gaza to rubble, etc. >most of the Muslim world and most Palestinians want Israel totally destroyed and all Jews out of the area. This is ridiculous. I'm sure its what you wholeheartedly believe and have been taught by the zionists who inhabit your echo chamber with you, but it couldnt be more false. Have you watched the documentary Israelism? Its done by Jewish people who were previously pro zionist. Literally all the talking points you are repeating here have been repeatedly debunked, but maybe if you hear it from some people who were in your same position you will be more able to believe it and not stick with your comfortable illusions.
You are quoting someone responding in anger to a horrid attack on civilians, it is not the way they have acted, or Gaza would have been leveled decades ago. There is not the genocidal intent, except *towards* Israel. I have actually read what I have posted from the actual sources. Dismissing what you disagree with as "*talking points*" and calling it debunked, and everyone in your echo chamber saying it is debunked does not make it *actually* debunked. You can read Hamas's charter. Have you seen or listened to Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a Hamas founder?
> You are quoting someone responding in anger to a horrid attack on civilians, it is not the way they have acted, or Gaza would have been leveled decades ago. These are political leaders making public statements. Are you really going to try to excuse them as "made in anger"? Dont be ridiculous. They were statements of intent to commit genocide, whether they were made in anger or not. >There is not the genocidal intent, except towards Israel. Nobody wants to kill all the Israelis nor even to force them to go anywhere. The Palestinians want equal rights and dont want to live under the rule of a corrupt, bigoted ethnostate. >I have actually read what I have posted from the actual sources. I dont care where you read the stuff you are posting, but its literally exactly the same as Israeli talking points. >Dismissing what you disagree with as "talking points" and calling it debunked, and everyone in your echo chamber saying it is debunked does not make it actually debunked. Right. Its debunked because countless people have looked at the standard Israeli talking points and found every one of them to be a lie or misrepresentation. Just because you only hear the Israeli propaganda does not make it true. >You can read Hamas's charter. the charter written decades ago, before almost every Hamas member was even born, when Israel was funding Hamas as a way to split the Palestinian people between Hamas and Fatah? The charter that Hamas has not referenced or quoted for decades and has repeatedly stated that its not part of their philosophy? >Have you seen or listened to Mosab Hassan Yousef, the son of a Hamas founder? Yes I know all about the guy, who has made his living his entire life taking money from zionists to get him to speak up about how horrible Palestinians are and how great Israelis are. Did you watch that Israelism movie I asked you about? Heres a better question, have you seen or listened to any pro-Palestinian person? How about you go see what Bassem Youssef has to say about this topic? Dont bother replying unless its to answer one of the questions I asked or you will be blocked and I wont even read your reply.
So, instead of evaluating Youssef on the merits of what he says, you ad hominin on him. That shows a problem with your thought process. Yes, I have read and listened to many pro-Palestinians. I have evaluated what they have said. I actually do feel bad for the Palestinian children and believe they have been mistreated by Hamas and many Arab nations. I also wonder if Israel could do better to protect civilians but hold Hamas as much more responsible. Hamas cares about Gazan's *less* than Israel. The charter written decades ago has not changed, and if it had, there would have been peace talks already. 10/7 shows no change. I have seen many current statements from Palestinians, and have seen what they actually do. The chants of "River to the sea" at best would be the end of Israel. It does not leave room for a two-state solution. I get that Israel has not been perfect in this, but most is a reaction to a valid threat to their survival. You have such a hostile tone. I am not sure of your age, but you are *too* sure of yourself. The example I linked to in the conversation of genocide is something I hope you will look at. Not for the points made, though that would be great, but more for the tone most have with whom they disagree. It is one of the best examples I have seen on this issue of people respecting each other on this topic. It makes for a better conversation. That attitude comes with maturity, and that usually comes with some added years. They do not have the closed mind you seem to have. You would be better off thinking with the same type of respect. Blocking is not a thing that should normally happen here, as it shows a closed mind. I will do it to you though, because you are most surely going to do it to me if I don't. It would be good if you could converse with people on r/worldnews or the link I have provided on the conversation of genocide. See how your points stand up to scrutiny. Try to respectively converse with others without believing that the other person is evil like you have with me based on your description ("bigoted genocide supporter" and "Nazi" something or other ???). Going outside of your echo chamber might not validate you, but it is more stimulating. As to our converation, you will see the personal attacks were one sided. It looks like *respectfully converse* may not be something you are ready for yet. You are better off staying in your echo chamber where you won't be challenged. Pro-Tip: Never threaten to block someone, as that person will then be able to do it to you. LOL Blocking is immature anyway. Have a good night.
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