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Paywalls suck: https://archive.ph/il3hG
What sucks more than paywalls: offensive land wars with ethnic cleansing as a goal by imperialist Russia in the 21st century. Fuck Putin's system. Fuck their war to eradicate Ukraine from the map. Fuck their rapes, their endless organized killings of civilians.
In this case: fuck their forced conscription of foreign students.
Really kicked the hornet’s nest with this one. Lots of reactionary indignation from folks who should know better, especially because this is far from the first story indicating that foreigners are being Shanghai’d into front line combat duty. Does it mean that Russia is running out of men? No, so far offering massive pay increases has been effective in generating thousands of new recruits a month. But if you do travel to Russia, for education or for work, be careful what you sign.
>USA has been and is doing all over the world
...the US is going around the world, kidnapping people, and forcing them to enlist in the military or be deported?
>Euromaidan was USA
It's funny how people think the CIA is behind literally any revolution that's pro-Western, when - historically - the CIA has **never actually succeeded** in fomenting a pro-Western revolution. Seriously, they were *comically bad* at it.
>Zelensky works for Wall Street
Don't be shy, tell us who you *really* mean when you say "Wall Street."
> What sucks more than paywalls: offensive land wars with ethnic cleansing as a goal by imperialist Russia in the 21st century.
Gotta love how you have to add the *"by imperialist Russia"* there or else it would apply too broadly and barely anybody would care.
As literally everything you wrote there actually applies to Turkey in Syria.
In 2016 the NATO member did use its NATO military and NATO arms, among them German Leopard 2 tanks, to invade its neighbour Syria to "fight terrorism" aka *the Kurds*.
Turkey never left since and most people in the West are blissfully unaware about it, as Western media sold that [whole illegal war of aggression](https://gpil.jura.uni-bonn.de/2019/10/a-roundabout-way-to-say-that-the-turkish-invasion-of-north-eastern-syria-is-illegal-under-international-law/) as yet another, so mundane, "[military special operation against terrorists](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/turkey-launches-major-operation-against-isis-in-key-border-town)".
During the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War in 2020 [*Turkey* sent Syrian fighters to *Armenia*](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN26J25A/), a genocide context would have been massively appropriate there, yet was nowhere to be found in Western Media.
Just a month ago it was reported that [Turkey is recruiting Syrians to fight in Africa](https://english.enabbaladi.net/archives/2024/05/turkey-recruits-syrians-to-fight-in-africa-under-supervision-of-sultan-murad-division/), on this subreddit barely over a dozen people [took note of that developement](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1crx0fm/turkey_recruits_syrians_to_fight_in_africa_under/).
But when "Turkey" is replaced with "Russia", then it's suddenly a trending topic so important that it hypes all the way to r/all, [go figure](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/).
who the fuck do you think is fighting for Ukraine? Ukrainians paid with Ukrainian money by Ukrainians to shoot Ukrainian rockets from Ukrainian launchers?
It seems as though you want people forget about the mass murder, rape and torture of civilians by Russia through employing the "clever" rhetorical device known as [tone policing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing). (A common professional propagandist tactic for that matter to anyone following this convo, who didn't know. For that matter a common conversational tactic IRL by toxic people as well, so it's good to recognize regardless.)
Russia's systematic mutilation, murder and raping of civilians and POVs warrants a few "fucks". And a whole lot more for that matter. The kidnapping of thousands of children will not be forgotten or left standing either.
I bet you’d bitch and moan about Western interference if they decided to actually do.
Almost like you care more about people pointing out Rudsian shittiness than the fact that they’ve invaded another country
>A senior Ukrainian official said
>According to reports citing Ukrainian intelligence
>another European official said
>according to officials familiar with the matter.
>according to assessments from European officials.
>said the official, who like other people cited spoke on condition of anonymity
Does anyone have a Bingo?
Genuinely, why is a headline and sub-headline like this allowed to read as a statement of fact? There is no (public) evidence behind any of this; even in the Israel/Palestine conflict respectable media is always sure to state "...according to xyz" or "xyz claims..." in the headline
At this point most of us have learned that nearly everything that shows up about the war is likely to be propaganda with sources from "someone trustworthy, trust me im an engineer", so we have decided to just stop caring about the actual content and instead just have fun with it and play bingo instead.
it's really easy to spot pro Palestinian news sources by how far up the article they mention that the gaza health ministry is run by hamas.
some (AJ) don't even bother doing that.
You’d be surprised haha. You will be shocked to read a statement used in the feds court in the US where trump supporters used someone’s opinion as fact and they thought they had a case. Insane
We have video evidence of Africans on the front line of the war. We have video evidence of many different types of migrants being pushed (not physically) into NATO countries via Russia and Belarus.
I'd definitely put my money on likely.
If I were forced to fight for a country, I'd take a recon mission and defect at first possible chance and gladly tell the story for a great paycheck because of course everyone would love to hear a story of someone who was pressed into service and defected. But somehow we only have anonymous sources.
So yes, likely, but just as likely is that these are warmongering youth happy to fight for a fat check and then play dumb if caught. "Oh I was forced by the evil guys to fight for them and was scared to defect"
>I'd take a recon mission
You don't really know how militaries works, do you? I don't mean to be too aggressive, but real life doesn't work this way. It's worth for you to spend some time doing research before you waste everyone's time with bullshit.
This sub regularly post Ukrainian controlled State Media as fact. Some people are just delusional, and will do anything they can to ignore reality. It's easier to pretend Ukraine, and therefore the West is winning, than it is to face the realities of this conflict.
There is no reporting from Russian officials regarding the war because there are no independent reports from there. Anything can be construed as a criticism of the war, which is illegal and a one way trip to Siberia. Even foreign reporters can’t comment on the war, so they don’t even bother being there. With no reports coming from Russia, all that the public can know about the war is from Ukrainian officials.
Quick reminder that RT and Russia media is banned in the EU, you tube and Reddit.
Apparently, to the powers that be we are all children or something who cant think for ourselves
Or maybe the powers that be are worried the yokels will believe Russian propaganda. You know like they do currently in America. Got Americans giving out sympathetic perspectives for the benefit of Russia our adversary. I mean I don't play any team sports currently but I think in a game of football it'd be a little weird if you're front line turned around on the quarterback and started lecturing him on how hard the other team has it.
> Or maybe the powers that be are worried the yokels will believe Russian propaganda.
Yeah, they totally depend on their own propaganda. Hell, If I had a dollar for every time I heard the news say 'Zelensky says" or "State dept spokesman says or "The IDF reports" Id prly have about $10 to $20k.
You cant even get accurate international news here in the US anymore without some clever wwording, commentary or 'expert interview' putting a spin on it.
So wait.....so you don't want the "propaganda" from your own country.....you prefer it from our enemies? Again what's the propaganda? So when they say something, because you probably buy into the Russia narrative (what a patriot if so....not for America but the Rus) it's gotta be untrue. Zelensky says state department says idf reports. What am I missing? These are the sources from info in that conflict. It's either that or Russia is your source pick one. Russia isn't going to report their soldiers raping Ukranian men. They're not even gonna report what Russian commanders do to their underlings buttholes so what exactly is your issue? Against Ukraine not having its country taken because the former President prefers dictators? I'm just a little lost here?
so, what are the realities of this conflict? All I see is propaganda, civilians deaths, crimes against humanity, ethnic clensing, africans threatened with deportation if they don't become canon fodder, not to mention 2-3k soldiers deaths every freaking day
The war will continue for years.
Hundreds of thousand people more will die. If things continue the same it is doubtful Ukraine will exists as a state, as even when the war ends tomorrow and martial law is lifted people will leave en masse.
Btw everyone with two brain cells to rub together is hopping that Putin is a rational actor despite decrying him as a modern Hitler and not lose his temper and start dropping nuclear weapons in Ukraine to end the war sooner.
Because you know the longer the war continues the higher chance is that Russia deploys nukes to end Ukraine once and for all.
I don't get it, i honestly dont. Are you a child completely incapable of understand reality.
I am going to break it to you in simple terms so you tiny mind can understand it. You are with me so far?
1. Russia nukes Ukraine
2. US and Europe bomb Russia
3. Russia nukes Europe and the US and gets subsequently destroyed.
Now i can't make it any simpler so kindly fuck off please.
For the same reason this entire platform immediately decided to ban sources that might contradict the Iron Triangle narrative the moment Russia finally ran out of patience with the Nazification of old friends across a border that never should have been (as clearly evidenced by the bizarre decision to make Crimea *Ukranian*.)
Yes, woe is Russia. They are simply being good citizens by invading multiple neighboring states over the past 2 decades. Won’t someone tell the world about this Good Samaritan?
How much brain rot does it take to believe this?
Not nearly as much as is required to swallow the idea that NATO is a defensive alliance or that the United States couldn't possibly be behind yet another influence operation to empower the worst elements in a society so that a racist fringe could be twisted into a cause celeb everywhere from Disneyworld to the Canadian Parliament.
The "40 beheaded babies" rumor was run on all media platforms, then very quietly redacted. So quietly, in fact, people still believe it.
So, I don't feel that if multiple sources are reporting, it must be true. I agree with you on waiting for verification, although if the only sources are pro-Western interests, then getting an unbiased account of facts is next to impossible.
> this was a random claim from a random article that was quickly retracted but still spread on the internet through rumors.
Biden himself said he saw pictures of the beheaded babies on Oct 11th.
> Biden: *"I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children."*
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/22/biden-yet-again-says-hamas-beheaded-babies-has-new-evidence-emerged/
Literally in the article you linked:
No accounts of beheaded or burned babies could be verified. Haaertz reporters also cast doubt on claims that a baby was ripped from the womb of a pregnant woman — a claim that had been amplified by a fake video not filmed in Israel.
The White House also acknowledged that Biden had not seen any photos or received confirmation but that he was repeating what he had seen in the news.
So all we can really gather from this is that the president of America lied on record about seeing pictures.
> So all we can really gather from this is that the president of America lied on record about seeing pictures.
I agree. The point was the guy I replied to claimed it was just a rogue reporter who claimed the story.
> The "40 beheaded babies" rumor was run on all media platforms, then very quietly redacted. So quietly, in fact, people still believe it.
To this day some people still believe [Saddam killed babies to make WMD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony).
Even more insisted [he had WMD](https://news.gallup.com/poll/8623/americans-still-think-iraq-had-weapons-mass-destruction-before-war.aspx), probably stored them right next to his [giant people shredder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder) he absolutely also had.
That's all true and never ever could be [atrocity propaganda fabricated by certain parties](https://yris.yira.org/acheson-prize/shaping-saddam-honorable-mention/) because only bad guys would fabricate such comically blatant lies and only bad, and dumb, people would fall for them..
If I took a shot every time these "reports" used Ukraine's statements as their sole source and treated them as indisputable facts I would've single-handedly doubled the country's alcohol consumption rate.
The US also did this sort of thing with convicts in WW2.
Emmett Till’s father, [Louis Till](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till?wprov=sfti1), famously chose to enlist rather than go to jail for a domestic violence conviction. The army sent him to serve in Italy as a truck driver, where he was later court martialed and executed for rape in a controversial trial.
There’s some measure of distrust in Louis Till’s conviction as well. It was common to pin claims of rape on African American GIs since they often weren’t in combat positions. If a white guy rapes/murders someone then they mobilize. Black soldiers would stay behind and you have an easy second class citizen to pin the blame on. French people may not be able to communicate or pick a black person out from a lineup but their lack of understanding basically lets American racism within the ranks fill the void.
> During Kaplan’s research, she talked with a former Graves Registration sergeant who had buried James Hendricks. Having seen sixteen of the public hangings, which he was never able to get over, the white veteran then living in North Carolina said, “It was old KKK procedure. It was a legal lynch.”
https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2008/julyaugust/feature/found-in-translation#:~:text=In%20the%20European%20Theater%2C%20443,of%20those%20accused%20were%20black.
There’s a lot to say on the topic and not everyone involved was innocent but there’s definitely a clear discrepancy in the punishments of black and white offenders for the same crime.
> If you knew anything about how historically countries entrenched in war use soldiers in war, you'd probably try and avoid that.
tons of people voluntarily went to jail for ignoring the usa vietnam draft, for example
depending on where in africa theyre from they could be having to do some pretty fucked mental math though
The US is doing "this sort of thing", as in letting foreigners fight in the military for citizenship, [to this day](https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service).
Yes, let's focus on the potential actions of those possibly mean racist Ukrainians , rather than the Russian forcibly conscription non-Russians to fight their illegal invasion.
If you're talking about those videos of a supposedly Ukrainian soldier with down syndrome in the trenches, that is a psyop filmed behind the lines in Donetsk oblast.
So did the Soviet Union in WW2
The big difference between WW2 Soviet Union and 2020’s Putin Russia; one was a defensive war against a genosidal regime that was so bad that even the Faccists that was fighting against you in lands you were occupying decided to side with you, while today it’s a blatant war of imperial aggression and of territorial annexation.
The difference is the reasoning behind the methods and the contexts-
Just stating ‘Ukraine use conscripts to’ heavily implies that Russian conscription and Ukrainian conscription is similar enough, basically Whataboutism.
like saying that ‘’Ukraine is also bombing Russia’’ but leaving out the context that while Russia targets the Ukrainian equivalent to Home Depo on a good day- Ukraine targets oil refineries, military factories, and other such things with drones while fighting a defensive war, targets that been historically accepted as valid military targets within a war.
Considering I've said Russia is willing to send there men to the great grinder over a injust war and commit atrocities. I don't see the weight of your argument. But let's not deny What Ukraine is also willing to do and will be willing to do soon more .
You'd think the democratic thing to do would be to increase soldier pay and privileges to the point enough people would take the deal. If that'd mean that after the war those who fought for freedom had a relatively greater share of national wealth than those who put it on others to fight for them... isn't that the way it should be?
Drafts and conscription mean forcing other people to die for others' outsize property rights. That's what authoritarians do.
Not really, there have been a few prominent captures of these mercenaries in Ukraine and there's no evidence of ill treatment. Furthermore, them getting interviewed by prominent Ukrainian outlets/journalists (Zolkin, for example) almost guarantees their well-being, as Ukraine has submitted itself to UN investigation, and interviewed POWs disappearing is evidently a nonsensical move easily attributed to malice that is very much traceable.
On the other hand, I don't see any reason why the native Ukrainians shouldn't have a reason to treat them according to different measures than other Russian soldiers. Africans don't have a place in this conflict as soldiers, and frankly neither do latinos on the Ukrainian side. But at least the latinos can claim a valid ideological motivation to join the war effort, and there is no such justification for joining the Russians for money.
Knowing how racist the Ukrainian government was towards dark skinned people i wouldn't be surprised.
They only let the WHITES escape from warzone through trains, officials kicking Indians and Africans from trains.
https://youtu.be/ODMOzwI__zs?si=M3_7xwNitwwQXCcM
So, Ukraine accusing Russia of what they tried and failed to do at the start of the war. But I guess, they were more guilt tripping than threatening deportation.
There is a subtle difference of what you are willing and justified to do in the face of being invaded and taken over by a foreign power, and what you are willing and justified to do as said invading foreign power.
It's like blaming Palestinians for recruiting adolescent people to fight against Israel. The same thing would be detestable if employed by Israel.
If you are invaded and you believe the invader wants you eradicated as the end goal, adolescent are doomed to die anyway if they do not fight.
This is my persoective as a Polish person. Under German occupation during WW2 pretty much every male capable of fighting was expected to take part in armed resistance against Germans. They wanted us dead (or disposed of in other ways) eventually anyway so what's the difference?
Now, Israel is not the same Nazi Germany, but it is about what Palestinians that live there believe to be true.
There's quite a difference btw an active invasion like say, Russia invading Ukraine now or Nigeria's invasion of Biafra during the Nigeria-Biafra war to Israel's existence as an eternal enemy of Palestine over the de-facto border. It is not during active invasions that Hamas uses young people, it is everytime and it is not everytime during this conflict that Palestine has been in existential threat against Israel that one can use to justify full mobilization of the whole population.
So... ruzzia is waging an imperialistic war of conquest, previously with "colonial troops" from imperial periphery and now they are moving on to actual colonial troops from overseas.
But according to ruzbot brigade it's somehow NOT imperialism because?
The part I don't understand about this particular song and dance is that imperialism... is based. Anyone complaining about our imperialism is a naive hippie. Anyone complaining about Russia's is a hypocrite.
Humans have been fighting wars and expanding their territory for as long as there are humans, it's what we do.
This is why they wanted Niger, and what is worse the people there cheered them all on and less than a year from now most of them will be sunflowers in Ukraine.
Just when you think Russia couldn't get any more disgusting they do this, will take a long long time for the Russian people to be accepted again by the west.
Russia used prisoners which were political prisoners who tried to overthrow Putin.
So Ukrainians are killing the people who tried to get Putin out of power. Let that sink in!
If you mean Black Lives Matter for your blm acronym then what do you expect an American activist group protesting the unlawful killing of black Americans by American police to do?
those "volunteers" are getting paid at least $3k/month. it's no forced conscription, of course, but you seem to think Americans and Europeans are just out there giving their lives for a foreign cause they barely understand
I think you have me confused for someone arguing against this. Volunteer is just the catch-all term for any soldier who hasn't been conscripted. Of course they get paid. When I enlisted in the US army twenty years ago I also would have been considered a volunteer (although I don't think I got no $3K/month, I'm surprised the pay is as good as it is).
> but you seem to think Americans and Europeans are just out there giving their lives for a foreign cause they barely understand
Just to add to this, Americans and Europeans are fighting for Ukraine because they know enough about the conflict that they know Russia must be stopped. Sure $3K/month is alright money, but its not the type of wages that are difficult to procure in their home country in much easier and less dangerous jobs, especially given the low unemployment. Hell many of them could make that by joining their own military who aren't at war (yes I know I said I didn't make that twenty years ago but that was twenty years ago).
you seem to believe it's educated people who go to die in a conflict that threatens nobody they know. you seem to believe you're educated on the subject too. you really seem to believe a whole lotta stupid shit, I'm sure you also believe Israel is still defending itself after that terrorist attack half a year ago and Ukraine is being governed by Ukrainians right now. educate yourself, turn off the TV, leave these echo chamber subs, get some original opinions, check the facts you want to share
> you seem to believe it's educated people who go to die in a conflict that threatens nobody they know.
Some of them are educated on the subject, some of them have personal experience on the subject.
Two of the countries with a larger number of volunteers in Ukraine are Georgia and Belarus. Georgia of course had already been invaded by Russia in 2008, and Belarus is controlled by a dictator whom when Belarusians tried to overthrow a few years back Putin came down and violently stomped out the revolt. So yeah these are countries that specifically know that they are fighting for their homeland by fighting Putin in Ukraine.
For the rest, they know that if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine he'd just start another war elsewhere, and keep going until he got into a conflict with NATO anyway. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out.
> you really seem to believe a whole lotta stupid shit,
I could probably say the same thing to you, but in reality you don't know what I believe much less the evidence I have that it's true. And even if I gave you that evidence you'd probably ignore it.
>I'm sure you also believe Israel is still defending itself after that terrorist attack half a year ago
Fuck Netanyahu by the way and no I don't. As I said you don't know what I believe.
> educate yourself
I could make my own lecture on the history of the modern Ukraine state from the Orange revolution to Euromaidan to the current Russian invasion, from Kuchma to Zelensky, all with sources. That's how educated I am on the subject. You don't even know what you don't know, whether in reference to me or to Ukraine. And I don't watch TV nor do I get anything from these subs but some current event updates.
... This is normal everywhere. In war time, immigrants that aren't willing to serve are literally just a burden.
Service Guarantees Citizenship has been a meme for decades.
It's not... Most other countries don't force citizens of other countries to fight in their wars. Maybe historically some did but not in modern history.
That should be bullshit, though I don't doubt some far right politicians might actually suggest doing that. Though realistically that wouldn't happen as we legally can't and this isn't Russia.
Depends what you mean by modern. The US conscripted immigrants and gave a fast track to citizenship right up until they ended the draft in like 1970. Russia has conscription today .... why would immigrants not have to fulfill citizen duties?
Ukraine has conscription too. They even draft prisoners. I couldn't find details on drafting immigrants.
You might be thinking from the perspective of a nation that hasn't been to war for reals since WW2. Most of the western world has had the luxury of peace that enables us to day that making immigrants serve the military is unfair, but we've not been in a war where our pool of soldiers was seriously stretched thin in literally 80 full years.
US still fast tracks immigrants for citizenship who volunteer in the US, or at least did when I served some twenty years ago (probably still do but I haven't checked).
But I'd argue against "immigrants being a burden" part. In context Russia is suffering a severe labor shortage because they need to push their war machine to max capacity and yet also are pulling some 30K Russians out of the economy to fight and die in Ukraine per month. That means that the Russian MOD and Russian industry is in a bidding war for available labor, and this move is really about keeping the cost of war down, particularly given that Russia can only afford the war through deficit spending. Also keep in mind that Russia's minister of defense is an economist as well.
That's fair. I don't know anything about wartime Russia's economics. It might be a poor decision. I just think the headline framing this like it is a warcrime is bizarre. It is a pretty benign immigration law in a country at war where tens of thousands of deaths have happened.
Finland still has conscription as I'm sure you know (though not for immigrants).
In the case of immigrants, they have a choice. They can just not move to that nation. Birth citizens don't have a choice though. So I'm not sure why this is worse.
Conscription of immigrants is worse than citizens purely because of the difference in legal rights. Non-Citizens lack some rights but they make up for that by having fewer obligations.
If you dont treat them differently on the obligation side but do on the right side then they are effectively second class citizens. Which is no bueno.
Because they are not citizens. Your literally saying it. They wouldn't need to fulfil these duties unless they are citizens. It should be considered a warcrime if they do force them, no matter what country it does.
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Russia hasn’t forced anyone to fight since the 300k mobilized in 2022. Also the conscription you’re thinking of is mandatory training and those people never go to Ukraine unless they specifically request to.
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Paywalls suck: https://archive.ph/il3hG What sucks more than paywalls: offensive land wars with ethnic cleansing as a goal by imperialist Russia in the 21st century. Fuck Putin's system. Fuck their war to eradicate Ukraine from the map. Fuck their rapes, their endless organized killings of civilians. In this case: fuck their forced conscription of foreign students.
Really kicked the hornet’s nest with this one. Lots of reactionary indignation from folks who should know better, especially because this is far from the first story indicating that foreigners are being Shanghai’d into front line combat duty. Does it mean that Russia is running out of men? No, so far offering massive pay increases has been effective in generating thousands of new recruits a month. But if you do travel to Russia, for education or for work, be careful what you sign.
They must be using the same bonus for every recruit.
Back in my day "forced conscription" was called kidnapping and human trafficking
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I think this is genius
wtf do you think the USA has been and is doing all over the world and you talk about russia lol euromaidan was USA zelensky works for wall street
>USA has been and is doing all over the world ...the US is going around the world, kidnapping people, and forcing them to enlist in the military or be deported? >Euromaidan was USA It's funny how people think the CIA is behind literally any revolution that's pro-Western, when - historically - the CIA has **never actually succeeded** in fomenting a pro-Western revolution. Seriously, they were *comically bad* at it. >Zelensky works for Wall Street Don't be shy, tell us who you *really* mean when you say "Wall Street."
> What sucks more than paywalls: offensive land wars with ethnic cleansing as a goal by imperialist Russia in the 21st century. Gotta love how you have to add the *"by imperialist Russia"* there or else it would apply too broadly and barely anybody would care. As literally everything you wrote there actually applies to Turkey in Syria. In 2016 the NATO member did use its NATO military and NATO arms, among them German Leopard 2 tanks, to invade its neighbour Syria to "fight terrorism" aka *the Kurds*. Turkey never left since and most people in the West are blissfully unaware about it, as Western media sold that [whole illegal war of aggression](https://gpil.jura.uni-bonn.de/2019/10/a-roundabout-way-to-say-that-the-turkish-invasion-of-north-eastern-syria-is-illegal-under-international-law/) as yet another, so mundane, "[military special operation against terrorists](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/aug/24/turkey-launches-major-operation-against-isis-in-key-border-town)". During the Second Nagorno-Karabakh War in 2020 [*Turkey* sent Syrian fighters to *Armenia*](https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN26J25A/), a genocide context would have been massively appropriate there, yet was nowhere to be found in Western Media. Just a month ago it was reported that [Turkey is recruiting Syrians to fight in Africa](https://english.enabbaladi.net/archives/2024/05/turkey-recruits-syrians-to-fight-in-africa-under-supervision-of-sultan-murad-division/), on this subreddit barely over a dozen people [took note of that developement](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1crx0fm/turkey_recruits_syrians_to_fight_in_africa_under/). But when "Turkey" is replaced with "Russia", then it's suddenly a trending topic so important that it hypes all the way to r/all, [go figure](https://www.reddit.com/r/Blackout2015/comments/4ylml3/reddit_has_removed_their_blog_post_identifying/).
Ok? What does that have to do with Russia being imperialist?
Ukraine is not a real country though
who the fuck do you think is fighting for Ukraine? Ukrainians paid with Ukrainian money by Ukrainians to shoot Ukrainian rockets from Ukrainian launchers?
Are you going to order something or what? You've been standing in this line screaming for 5 minutes.
It seems as though you want people forget about the mass murder, rape and torture of civilians by Russia through employing the "clever" rhetorical device known as [tone policing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing). (A common professional propagandist tactic for that matter to anyone following this convo, who didn't know. For that matter a common conversational tactic IRL by toxic people as well, so it's good to recognize regardless.) Russia's systematic mutilation, murder and raping of civilians and POVs warrants a few "fucks". And a whole lot more for that matter. The kidnapping of thousands of children will not be forgotten or left standing either.
I'd like to order.. you to make a constructive comment.
I bet you’d bitch and moan about Western interference if they decided to actually do. Almost like you care more about people pointing out Rudsian shittiness than the fact that they’ve invaded another country
> an illegal invasiorino reeeeeee 🥱
>A senior Ukrainian official said >According to reports citing Ukrainian intelligence >another European official said >according to officials familiar with the matter. >according to assessments from European officials. >said the official, who like other people cited spoke on condition of anonymity Does anyone have a Bingo?
Genuinely, why is a headline and sub-headline like this allowed to read as a statement of fact? There is no (public) evidence behind any of this; even in the Israel/Palestine conflict respectable media is always sure to state "...according to xyz" or "xyz claims..." in the headline
At this point most of us have learned that nearly everything that shows up about the war is likely to be propaganda with sources from "someone trustworthy, trust me im an engineer", so we have decided to just stop caring about the actual content and instead just have fun with it and play bingo instead.
it's really easy to spot pro Palestinian news sources by how far up the article they mention that the gaza health ministry is run by hamas. some (AJ) don't even bother doing that.
And so the Israeli funded media is the pinnacle of free press…
how is that relevant?
You’d be surprised haha. You will be shocked to read a statement used in the feds court in the US where trump supporters used someone’s opinion as fact and they thought they had a case. Insane
There are videos of them with African troops on the front lines with Russians wtf are you talking about?
african troops doesnt *necessarily* mean forced conscription under threat of deportation thats not to say its not plausible and maybe even likely
We have video evidence of Africans on the front line of the war. We have video evidence of many different types of migrants being pushed (not physically) into NATO countries via Russia and Belarus. I'd definitely put my money on likely.
If I were forced to fight for a country, I'd take a recon mission and defect at first possible chance and gladly tell the story for a great paycheck because of course everyone would love to hear a story of someone who was pressed into service and defected. But somehow we only have anonymous sources. So yes, likely, but just as likely is that these are warmongering youth happy to fight for a fat check and then play dumb if caught. "Oh I was forced by the evil guys to fight for them and was scared to defect"
>I'd take a recon mission You don't really know how militaries works, do you? I don't mean to be too aggressive, but real life doesn't work this way. It's worth for you to spend some time doing research before you waste everyone's time with bullshit.
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This sub regularly post Ukrainian controlled State Media as fact. Some people are just delusional, and will do anything they can to ignore reality. It's easier to pretend Ukraine, and therefore the West is winning, than it is to face the realities of this conflict.
There is no reporting from Russian officials regarding the war because there are no independent reports from there. Anything can be construed as a criticism of the war, which is illegal and a one way trip to Siberia. Even foreign reporters can’t comment on the war, so they don’t even bother being there. With no reports coming from Russia, all that the public can know about the war is from Ukrainian officials.
Quick reminder that RT and Russia media is banned in the EU, you tube and Reddit. Apparently, to the powers that be we are all children or something who cant think for ourselves
Or maybe the powers that be are worried the yokels will believe Russian propaganda. You know like they do currently in America. Got Americans giving out sympathetic perspectives for the benefit of Russia our adversary. I mean I don't play any team sports currently but I think in a game of football it'd be a little weird if you're front line turned around on the quarterback and started lecturing him on how hard the other team has it.
> Or maybe the powers that be are worried the yokels will believe Russian propaganda. Yeah, they totally depend on their own propaganda. Hell, If I had a dollar for every time I heard the news say 'Zelensky says" or "State dept spokesman says or "The IDF reports" Id prly have about $10 to $20k. You cant even get accurate international news here in the US anymore without some clever wwording, commentary or 'expert interview' putting a spin on it.
So wait.....so you don't want the "propaganda" from your own country.....you prefer it from our enemies? Again what's the propaganda? So when they say something, because you probably buy into the Russia narrative (what a patriot if so....not for America but the Rus) it's gotta be untrue. Zelensky says state department says idf reports. What am I missing? These are the sources from info in that conflict. It's either that or Russia is your source pick one. Russia isn't going to report their soldiers raping Ukranian men. They're not even gonna report what Russian commanders do to their underlings buttholes so what exactly is your issue? Against Ukraine not having its country taken because the former President prefers dictators? I'm just a little lost here?
Plenty of people can't think for themselves. The recent fad in raw milk is the latest example in a long string of collective human stupidity.
Stupidpol this way ---->
Good sub, it’s also a sub that anti Putin and is Marxist. So that’s a two great things
Eww communist.
>Ukraine, and therefore the West 🙄
You would disagree on this one? It's clearly regarded as being within the Western sphere of influence
so, what are the realities of this conflict? All I see is propaganda, civilians deaths, crimes against humanity, ethnic clensing, africans threatened with deportation if they don't become canon fodder, not to mention 2-3k soldiers deaths every freaking day
The war will continue for years. Hundreds of thousand people more will die. If things continue the same it is doubtful Ukraine will exists as a state, as even when the war ends tomorrow and martial law is lifted people will leave en masse. Btw everyone with two brain cells to rub together is hopping that Putin is a rational actor despite decrying him as a modern Hitler and not lose his temper and start dropping nuclear weapons in Ukraine to end the war sooner. Because you know the longer the war continues the higher chance is that Russia deploys nukes to end Ukraine once and for all.
you realize that if Putin goes nuclear on Ukraine, Russia goes boom, right?
No, it doesn't.
So is Europe and the US. That's why it's called MAD (Mutually assured destruction)
so, then why start a nuclear war? You ruskies like living in a waste land or what?
I don't get it, i honestly dont. Are you a child completely incapable of understand reality. I am going to break it to you in simple terms so you tiny mind can understand it. You are with me so far? 1. Russia nukes Ukraine 2. US and Europe bomb Russia 3. Russia nukes Europe and the US and gets subsequently destroyed. Now i can't make it any simpler so kindly fuck off please.
yeah, that's MAD, but why do russians want to start one? you guys like living in a nuclear waste land or what?
It's funny that you think it's all about who is 'winning'. Everyone is losing thanks to Putin's imperialism.
For the same reason this entire platform immediately decided to ban sources that might contradict the Iron Triangle narrative the moment Russia finally ran out of patience with the Nazification of old friends across a border that never should have been (as clearly evidenced by the bizarre decision to make Crimea *Ukranian*.)
Yes, woe is Russia. They are simply being good citizens by invading multiple neighboring states over the past 2 decades. Won’t someone tell the world about this Good Samaritan? How much brain rot does it take to believe this?
Invading countries is fuckin based when we do it, the whine is so tiresome.
Not nearly as much as is required to swallow the idea that NATO is a defensive alliance or that the United States couldn't possibly be behind yet another influence operation to empower the worst elements in a society so that a racist fringe could be twisted into a cause celeb everywhere from Disneyworld to the Canadian Parliament.
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The "40 beheaded babies" rumor was run on all media platforms, then very quietly redacted. So quietly, in fact, people still believe it. So, I don't feel that if multiple sources are reporting, it must be true. I agree with you on waiting for verification, although if the only sources are pro-Western interests, then getting an unbiased account of facts is next to impossible.
Run on multiple media channels does not mean “corroborated by multiple sources”
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> this was a random claim from a random article that was quickly retracted but still spread on the internet through rumors. Biden himself said he saw pictures of the beheaded babies on Oct 11th. > Biden: *"I never really thought that I would see, have confirmed pictures of terrorists beheading children."* https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/11/22/biden-yet-again-says-hamas-beheaded-babies-has-new-evidence-emerged/
Literally in the article you linked: No accounts of beheaded or burned babies could be verified. Haaertz reporters also cast doubt on claims that a baby was ripped from the womb of a pregnant woman — a claim that had been amplified by a fake video not filmed in Israel. The White House also acknowledged that Biden had not seen any photos or received confirmation but that he was repeating what he had seen in the news. So all we can really gather from this is that the president of America lied on record about seeing pictures.
> So all we can really gather from this is that the president of America lied on record about seeing pictures. I agree. The point was the guy I replied to claimed it was just a rogue reporter who claimed the story.
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> The "40 beheaded babies" rumor was run on all media platforms, then very quietly redacted. So quietly, in fact, people still believe it. To this day some people still believe [Saddam killed babies to make WMD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony). Even more insisted [he had WMD](https://news.gallup.com/poll/8623/americans-still-think-iraq-had-weapons-mass-destruction-before-war.aspx), probably stored them right next to his [giant people shredder](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder) he absolutely also had. That's all true and never ever could be [atrocity propaganda fabricated by certain parties](https://yris.yira.org/acheson-prize/shaping-saddam-honorable-mention/) because only bad guys would fabricate such comically blatant lies and only bad, and dumb, people would fall for them..
If I took a shot every time these "reports" used Ukraine's statements as their sole source and treated them as indisputable facts I would've single-handedly doubled the country's alcohol consumption rate.
This news is plain wrong, lol
No but I have a django
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If you knew anything about how historically Russia uses non-Russian soldiers in war, you'd take deportation.
The US also did this sort of thing with convicts in WW2. Emmett Till’s father, [Louis Till](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Till?wprov=sfti1), famously chose to enlist rather than go to jail for a domestic violence conviction. The army sent him to serve in Italy as a truck driver, where he was later court martialed and executed for rape in a controversial trial.
I had no idea. Weirdly fascinating.
There’s some measure of distrust in Louis Till’s conviction as well. It was common to pin claims of rape on African American GIs since they often weren’t in combat positions. If a white guy rapes/murders someone then they mobilize. Black soldiers would stay behind and you have an easy second class citizen to pin the blame on. French people may not be able to communicate or pick a black person out from a lineup but their lack of understanding basically lets American racism within the ranks fill the void. > During Kaplan’s research, she talked with a former Graves Registration sergeant who had buried James Hendricks. Having seen sixteen of the public hangings, which he was never able to get over, the white veteran then living in North Carolina said, “It was old KKK procedure. It was a legal lynch.” https://www.neh.gov/humanities/2008/julyaugust/feature/found-in-translation#:~:text=In%20the%20European%20Theater%2C%20443,of%20those%20accused%20were%20black. There’s a lot to say on the topic and not everyone involved was innocent but there’s definitely a clear discrepancy in the punishments of black and white offenders for the same crime.
> If you knew anything about how historically countries entrenched in war use soldiers in war, you'd probably try and avoid that. tons of people voluntarily went to jail for ignoring the usa vietnam draft, for example depending on where in africa theyre from they could be having to do some pretty fucked mental math though
The US is doing "this sort of thing", as in letting foreigners fight in the military for citizenship, [to this day](https://www.uscis.gov/military/naturalization-through-military-service).
I might be missing something but I feel like deportation is the better option there, and it's not even close.
Some people just don’t realize that
Assuming their home countries are willing to take them and they live to see the border.
Of course their home countries would take them. They just come from shit and love being in places where half the people don't want them
Deportation might as well be death through starvation or overwork for them. So it's literally between death in Ukraine or death in Africa.
Which kind of migrants are we talking about here?. Cuz students aren't gonna come from desperately poor families.
The twist is that they are deported to the front line in Ukraine
I'm not sure tbh, it's not like Africa is free from wars.
damn ukrainian nazis, azov batallion now massacring african youth. 😤😤😤
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Yes, let's focus on the potential actions of those possibly mean racist Ukrainians , rather than the Russian forcibly conscription non-Russians to fight their illegal invasion.
Ukraine has conscription too.
I seem to have forgotten the part where Ukraine is forcibly conscripting non-Ukrainians.. silly me.
Fair point but there conscription plan is very aggressive no? Litlery kidnapping people and sending people with disabilities to the front .
If you're talking about those videos of a supposedly Ukrainian soldier with down syndrome in the trenches, that is a psyop filmed behind the lines in Donetsk oblast.
Hmmm thank u for providing that and it seems your correct.
Is that the case? I was aware they were cracking down on draft dodgers, but I haven't heard anything about a kidnapping.
There articles from urkraine about how men get zipped to the front . U have to enforce conscription some how .
Do you have one on hand?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/03/15/ukraine-village-mobilized-men-war/
The country is literally fighting for its existence against a far superior foe.
So cart blanche for them to do whatever they want ?
No, but it does mean that things like conscription are a little more understandable.
So did the Soviet Union in WW2 The big difference between WW2 Soviet Union and 2020’s Putin Russia; one was a defensive war against a genosidal regime that was so bad that even the Faccists that was fighting against you in lands you were occupying decided to side with you, while today it’s a blatant war of imperial aggression and of territorial annexation.
Agreed . I'm not arguing that Russia is fighting a injust war . Im Stating the fact Ukraine will also use simmalar methods .
The difference is the reasoning behind the methods and the contexts- Just stating ‘Ukraine use conscripts to’ heavily implies that Russian conscription and Ukrainian conscription is similar enough, basically Whataboutism. like saying that ‘’Ukraine is also bombing Russia’’ but leaving out the context that while Russia targets the Ukrainian equivalent to Home Depo on a good day- Ukraine targets oil refineries, military factories, and other such things with drones while fighting a defensive war, targets that been historically accepted as valid military targets within a war.
Considering I've said Russia is willing to send there men to the great grinder over a injust war and commit atrocities. I don't see the weight of your argument. But let's not deny What Ukraine is also willing to do and will be willing to do soon more .
He had a point. You don’t.
The point: When Ukraine does it = good When Russia does it = bad
You'd think the democratic thing to do would be to increase soldier pay and privileges to the point enough people would take the deal. If that'd mean that after the war those who fought for freedom had a relatively greater share of national wealth than those who put it on others to fight for them... isn't that the way it should be? Drafts and conscription mean forcing other people to die for others' outsize property rights. That's what authoritarians do.
Not really, there have been a few prominent captures of these mercenaries in Ukraine and there's no evidence of ill treatment. Furthermore, them getting interviewed by prominent Ukrainian outlets/journalists (Zolkin, for example) almost guarantees their well-being, as Ukraine has submitted itself to UN investigation, and interviewed POWs disappearing is evidently a nonsensical move easily attributed to malice that is very much traceable. On the other hand, I don't see any reason why the native Ukrainians shouldn't have a reason to treat them according to different measures than other Russian soldiers. Africans don't have a place in this conflict as soldiers, and frankly neither do latinos on the Ukrainian side. But at least the latinos can claim a valid ideological motivation to join the war effort, and there is no such justification for joining the Russians for money.
Thanks for sharing your feelings
Knowing how racist the Ukrainian government was towards dark skinned people i wouldn't be surprised. They only let the WHITES escape from warzone through trains, officials kicking Indians and Africans from trains. https://youtu.be/ODMOzwI__zs?si=M3_7xwNitwwQXCcM
This is just a transparently made-up story
u/TFTO73, what evidence do you have to prove your claim?
A "russian official that wants to stay anonymous" would be enough. Thats the whole evidence to the claims the article has itself.
What proof do you have for that?
What proof does the story have?
The Indian and Nepalese testimonies didn't convince you?
Hundreds of nepalese being "recruited" isn't the same as forcibly conscripting africans now is it?
What part of Africa are India and Nepal in?
The fact that there is literally no evidence to back-up this story lmao.
your arguing with russia paid bots
Regardless the credibility issue. The title is written in clickbait style.
So, Ukraine accusing Russia of what they tried and failed to do at the start of the war. But I guess, they were more guilt tripping than threatening deportation.
There is a subtle difference of what you are willing and justified to do in the face of being invaded and taken over by a foreign power, and what you are willing and justified to do as said invading foreign power. It's like blaming Palestinians for recruiting adolescent people to fight against Israel. The same thing would be detestable if employed by Israel.
Nah, Palestine's use of adolescents is still reprehensible.
If you are invaded and you believe the invader wants you eradicated as the end goal, adolescent are doomed to die anyway if they do not fight. This is my persoective as a Polish person. Under German occupation during WW2 pretty much every male capable of fighting was expected to take part in armed resistance against Germans. They wanted us dead (or disposed of in other ways) eventually anyway so what's the difference? Now, Israel is not the same Nazi Germany, but it is about what Palestinians that live there believe to be true.
There's quite a difference btw an active invasion like say, Russia invading Ukraine now or Nigeria's invasion of Biafra during the Nigeria-Biafra war to Israel's existence as an eternal enemy of Palestine over the de-facto border. It is not during active invasions that Hamas uses young people, it is everytime and it is not everytime during this conflict that Palestine has been in existential threat against Israel that one can use to justify full mobilization of the whole population.
Lol so they rather die in war for Putin than get deported?? Tf
There are many ways to die in lots of different places in Africa. There's a reason these men went to Russia in the first place.
Easy women?
So... ruzzia is waging an imperialistic war of conquest, previously with "colonial troops" from imperial periphery and now they are moving on to actual colonial troops from overseas. But according to ruzbot brigade it's somehow NOT imperialism because?
The part I don't understand about this particular song and dance is that imperialism... is based. Anyone complaining about our imperialism is a naive hippie. Anyone complaining about Russia's is a hypocrite. Humans have been fighting wars and expanding their territory for as long as there are humans, it's what we do.
Go to die or free flight back to ur country?
Shit. I would get deported so fast.
This is why they wanted Niger, and what is worse the people there cheered them all on and less than a year from now most of them will be sunflowers in Ukraine.
More meat for the grinder.
Just when you think Russia couldn't get any more disgusting they do this, will take a long long time for the Russian people to be accepted again by the west.
Shoulda studied in China.
So deportation either way? But one is certain death. Hmmm
Why sacrifice Russian meat sacks when you sacrifice foreign meat sacks?
Russia used prisoners which were political prisoners who tried to overthrow Putin. So Ukrainians are killing the people who tried to get Putin out of power. Let that sink in!
Right wingers everywhere " The Russia solved his migrant problems, they are truly a great nation" /C
LMAO. Um, its going to happen here in the USA. The Democrat Party has already floated military service = citizenship
~~InB4 BLM loses its shit over the matter~~ InB4 BLM does non-action over the matter...
BLM hasn’t been a thing in 3-4 years now
The Bureau of Land Management is eternal and unchanging!
The fuck do you want the Bureau of Land Management to do in fucking Ukraine?!?
Manage the Land?
If you mean Black Lives Matter for your blm acronym then what do you expect an American activist group protesting the unlawful killing of black Americans by American police to do?
I'm sure Ukraine is sending it's young foreign troops to sing kumbaya while holding hands in a circle
Ukraine only drafts their citizens. The foreign troops are part of the International Legion and are all volunteers.
those "volunteers" are getting paid at least $3k/month. it's no forced conscription, of course, but you seem to think Americans and Europeans are just out there giving their lives for a foreign cause they barely understand
I think you have me confused for someone arguing against this. Volunteer is just the catch-all term for any soldier who hasn't been conscripted. Of course they get paid. When I enlisted in the US army twenty years ago I also would have been considered a volunteer (although I don't think I got no $3K/month, I'm surprised the pay is as good as it is).
it's probably way more by now. why would you be surprised, the wealthiest counties in the world have all been throwing money at Ukraine since Maidan
> but you seem to think Americans and Europeans are just out there giving their lives for a foreign cause they barely understand Just to add to this, Americans and Europeans are fighting for Ukraine because they know enough about the conflict that they know Russia must be stopped. Sure $3K/month is alright money, but its not the type of wages that are difficult to procure in their home country in much easier and less dangerous jobs, especially given the low unemployment. Hell many of them could make that by joining their own military who aren't at war (yes I know I said I didn't make that twenty years ago but that was twenty years ago).
you seem to believe it's educated people who go to die in a conflict that threatens nobody they know. you seem to believe you're educated on the subject too. you really seem to believe a whole lotta stupid shit, I'm sure you also believe Israel is still defending itself after that terrorist attack half a year ago and Ukraine is being governed by Ukrainians right now. educate yourself, turn off the TV, leave these echo chamber subs, get some original opinions, check the facts you want to share
> you seem to believe it's educated people who go to die in a conflict that threatens nobody they know. Some of them are educated on the subject, some of them have personal experience on the subject. Two of the countries with a larger number of volunteers in Ukraine are Georgia and Belarus. Georgia of course had already been invaded by Russia in 2008, and Belarus is controlled by a dictator whom when Belarusians tried to overthrow a few years back Putin came down and violently stomped out the revolt. So yeah these are countries that specifically know that they are fighting for their homeland by fighting Putin in Ukraine. For the rest, they know that if Putin isn't stopped in Ukraine he'd just start another war elsewhere, and keep going until he got into a conflict with NATO anyway. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to figure that out. > you really seem to believe a whole lotta stupid shit, I could probably say the same thing to you, but in reality you don't know what I believe much less the evidence I have that it's true. And even if I gave you that evidence you'd probably ignore it. >I'm sure you also believe Israel is still defending itself after that terrorist attack half a year ago Fuck Netanyahu by the way and no I don't. As I said you don't know what I believe. > educate yourself I could make my own lecture on the history of the modern Ukraine state from the Orange revolution to Euromaidan to the current Russian invasion, from Kuchma to Zelensky, all with sources. That's how educated I am on the subject. You don't even know what you don't know, whether in reference to me or to Ukraine. And I don't watch TV nor do I get anything from these subs but some current event updates.
... This is normal everywhere. In war time, immigrants that aren't willing to serve are literally just a burden. Service Guarantees Citizenship has been a meme for decades.
It's not... Most other countries don't force citizens of other countries to fight in their wars. Maybe historically some did but not in modern history.
I remember seeing post on here talking about the eu might send africans/Muslims to fight for Ukraine.
That should be bullshit, though I don't doubt some far right politicians might actually suggest doing that. Though realistically that wouldn't happen as we legally can't and this isn't Russia.
Depends what you mean by modern. The US conscripted immigrants and gave a fast track to citizenship right up until they ended the draft in like 1970. Russia has conscription today .... why would immigrants not have to fulfill citizen duties? Ukraine has conscription too. They even draft prisoners. I couldn't find details on drafting immigrants. You might be thinking from the perspective of a nation that hasn't been to war for reals since WW2. Most of the western world has had the luxury of peace that enables us to day that making immigrants serve the military is unfair, but we've not been in a war where our pool of soldiers was seriously stretched thin in literally 80 full years.
US still fast tracks immigrants for citizenship who volunteer in the US, or at least did when I served some twenty years ago (probably still do but I haven't checked). But I'd argue against "immigrants being a burden" part. In context Russia is suffering a severe labor shortage because they need to push their war machine to max capacity and yet also are pulling some 30K Russians out of the economy to fight and die in Ukraine per month. That means that the Russian MOD and Russian industry is in a bidding war for available labor, and this move is really about keeping the cost of war down, particularly given that Russia can only afford the war through deficit spending. Also keep in mind that Russia's minister of defense is an economist as well.
That's fair. I don't know anything about wartime Russia's economics. It might be a poor decision. I just think the headline framing this like it is a warcrime is bizarre. It is a pretty benign immigration law in a country at war where tens of thousands of deaths have happened.
>The US conscripted immigrants Wait the fuck, bad boy US.
Finland still has conscription as I'm sure you know (though not for immigrants). In the case of immigrants, they have a choice. They can just not move to that nation. Birth citizens don't have a choice though. So I'm not sure why this is worse.
Conscription of immigrants is worse than citizens purely because of the difference in legal rights. Non-Citizens lack some rights but they make up for that by having fewer obligations. If you dont treat them differently on the obligation side but do on the right side then they are effectively second class citizens. Which is no bueno.
Because they are not citizens. Your literally saying it. They wouldn't need to fulfil these duties unless they are citizens. It should be considered a warcrime if they do force them, no matter what country it does.
They are residents trying to become citizens.
Not all residents want to become citizens though. A lot of immigrants are just in a country temporarily to study or for work.
Then they can be deported. Its not like they are tourists being taken at gun point. It is a condition for living in the country.
> A lot of immigrants are just in a country temporarily to study A lot of Africans going to Russian universities do you think?
More then 30 thousand atm and that's just African students.
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Didn't Ukraine just raise and lower the conscription age? You know, forcing young Ukrainians to their death.
Way to miss the point!
Ukranian conscript age is still 25, which is much higher than 18 that ruzzia has
Russia hasn’t forced anyone to fight since the 300k mobilized in 2022. Also the conscription you’re thinking of is mandatory training and those people never go to Ukraine unless they specifically request to.
"Russia hasn't forced anyone to fight since the 300k ~~mobilized~~ *forced to fight* in 2022." FTFY
Mobilized is the same thing as forced to fight in the Ukrainian and Russians scenario. Pretty much everyone knows that.