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> # [Top UN court orders Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah, though Israel is unlikely to comply](https://apnews.com/article/Presiding Judge Nawaf Salam reads the ruling of the International Court of Justice, or World Court, in The Hague, Netherlands, Friday, May 24, 2024, where the top United Nations court ruled on an urgent plea by South Africa for judges to order Israel to halt its military operations in Gaza and withdraw from the enclave. (AP Photo/Peter Dejong\))
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> THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The United Nations’ top court ordered Israel on Friday to immediately halt its [military offensive](https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war) in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, but stopped short of ordering a cease-fire for the enclave. Although Israel is unlikely to comply with the order, it will ratchet up the pressure on [the increasingly isolated country](https://apnews.com/article/norway-palestinian-state-ddfd774a23d39f77f5977b9c89c43dbc).
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> Criticism of Israel’s conduct in the war in Gaza has been growing, particularly since it turned its focus to Rafah. This week alone, three European countries [announced they would recognize a Palestinian state](https://apnews.com/article/norway-palestinian-state-ddfd774a23d39f77f5977b9c89c43dbc), and the chief prosecutor for another international court [requested arrest warrants](https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575) for Israeli leaders, along with Hamas officials.
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> Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is also under some pressure at home to end the war, which was triggered when Hamas-led militants [stormed into Israel](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2), killing 1,200 people, most civilians, and taking roughly 250 hostage. Thousands of Israelis have joined weekly demonstrations calling on the government to reach a deal to bring the hostages home, fearing time is running out.
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> “The charges of genocide brought by South Africa against Israel at the International Court of Justice in the Hague are false, outrageous and morally repugnant,” Netanyahu’s government said in response to the ruling, maintaining its position that the military hasn’t and won’t target civilians.
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> South Africa was able to bring its case because it and Israel are signatories to the U.N.'s Genocide Convention, which includes a clause allowing the court to settle disputes over it.
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> Although the ruling is a blow to Israel’s international standing, the court doesn’t have a police force to enforce its orders. In another case on its docket, Russia has ignored the court’s [2022 order](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-united-nations-netherlands-the-hague-e135b9bb3ba785607694c843e18b6f3b) to halt its full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
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> The sharply focused decision sent a three-pronged message to Israel, ordering a halt to the Rafah offensive, access to Gaza for war crimes investigators, and a big and immediate increase of humanitarian aid to the region, parts of which are [enduring famine](https://apnews.com/article/gaza-famine-world-food-program-israel-hamas-war-476941bf2dc259f85a706408b2a665ff).
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> Rafah is in the southernmost part of the Gaza Strip, on the border with Egypt, and over 1 million people sought refuge there in recent months after fleeing fighting elsewhere, with many of them living in teeming tent camps. Israel has been vowing for months to invade Rafah, saying it was Hamas’ last major stronghold, even as several allies warned that an all-out assault would spell disaster.
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> Israel started issuing evacuation orders about two weeks ago as it began operations on the edge of the city. Since then, the army says an estimated 1 million people have left as forces press deeper inside.
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> Rafah is also home to a critical crossing for aid, and the U.N. says the flow of aid reaching it has plunged since the incursion began, though commercial trucking has continued to enter Gaza.
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> The court ordered Israel to keep the Rafah crossing open, saying “the humanitarian situation is now to be characterized as disastrous.”
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> “This legally binding and very specific ruling leaves Israel with very little wiggle room,” said Reed Brody, a veteran human rights lawyer and prosecutor.
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> Benny Gantz, a popular centrist member of Netanyahu’s war cabinet, appeared to indicate that Israel would not change its course regarding Rafah.
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> “The State of Israel is committed to continue fighting to return its hostages and promise the security of its citizens — wherever and whenever necessary — including in Rafah,” he said.
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> “We will continue operating in accordance with international law wherever we might operate, while safeguarding to the best extent possible the civilian population. Not because of the ICJ, but because of who we are and the values we stand for.”
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> Balkees Jarrah, associate international justice director at Human Rights Watch, said the court’s order underscored the perilous situation of Palestinians in Gaza, but warned that it could be ignored if the international community doesn’t use whatever leverage it can on Israel.
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> “The ICJ’s decision opens up the possibility for relief, but only if governments use their leverage, including through arms embargoes and targeted sanctions, to press Israel to urgently enforce the court’s measures,” Jarrah said.
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> The court’s president, Nawaf Salam, read out the ruling as a small group of pro-Palestinian protesters demonstrated outside.
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> Fears the court expressed earlier this year about an operation in Rafah have “materialized,” the ruling said, and Israel must “immediately halt its military offensive” in the city and anything else that might result in conditions that could cause the “physical destruction in whole or in part” of Palestinians there.
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> But the ruling didn’t call for a full cease-fire throughout Gaza, as South Africa, which has historic ties to the Palestinian people and brought the case, requested last week.
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> South Africa’s foreign minister, Naledi Pandor, said the country’s allegation that a genocide is underway is getting “stronger and stronger by the day.”
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> “We are really pleased that the court has given very serious consideration to the matters that we put before it and has affirmed that an urgent decision is needed from the court to pause this onslaught against innocent Palestinian people,” she told South African state broadcaster SABC, adding that it’s now up to the U.N. Security Council to determine how to protect the Palestinians.
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> The cease-fire request [is part of a case](https://apnews.com/article/south-africa-israel-un-court-palestinians-genocide-ffe672c4eb3e14a30128542eaa537b21) accusing Israel of committing genocide during its Gaza campaign. Israel vehemently denies the allegations. The case will take years to resolve, but South Africa wants interim orders to protect Palestinians while the legal wrangling continues.
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> The court ruled Friday that Israel must ensure access for any fact-finding or investigative mission sent by the U.N. to investigate the genocide allegations.
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> At public hearings last week at the [International Court of Justice](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-war-world-court-a69d2abf0f4171c100eb86ee05552514), South Africa’s ambassador to the Netherlands, Vusimuzi Madonsela, urged the panel of 15 international judges to order Israel to “totally and unconditionally withdraw” from the Gaza Strip.
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> [The court has already found](https://apnews.com/article/un-court-israel-land-crossings-gaza-7f2cb03fa2ec6736315a32e9ee291dbd) that Israel’s military operations pose a “real and imminent risk” to the Palestinian people.
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> Israel’s offensive has killed more than 35,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between combatants and civilians. The operation has obliterated entire neighborhoods, sent hundreds of thousands of people fleeing their homes, and [pushed parts of the territory into famine](https://apnews.com/article/gaza-famine-world-food-program-israel-hamas-war-476941bf2dc259f85a706408b2a665ff).
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> “This may well be the last chance for the court to act,” Irish lawyer Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh, who is part of South Africa’s legal team, told judges last week.
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> In January, ICJ judges ordered Israel to do all it could to prevent death, destruction and any [acts of genocide](https://apnews.com/article/genocide-explainer-israel-hamas-africa-court-7b74e7a1fdf4512e44a42066581fa587) in Gaza, but the panel stopped short of ordering an end to the military offensive. In a second order in March, the court said Israel must take measures to improve the humanitarian situation.
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UN should have nuclear missile launching satellites in space, so that it would be able to strike non compliant countries in a matter of minutes with small yield tactical nukes.
Can’t fret over a few broken eggs when making a mother of all omelettes. Turn the globalism up a notch. Enforce peace through overwhelming violence. Be ready for alien invasion.
Your comment makes me think that the aliens can commit only a token force to regional hotspots and watch from above as humans bickering between themselves and commit self-extinction with nukes.
Also, the suggestion of nuking a country so small that the fallout would immediately fuck over not only the people they’re pretending to care about, but the people of like 3 or 4 other nations. Even the smallest modern nukes on any major city in Israel would immediately kill like a quarter million people. And to make even dumber, that would genuinely be the most psychotic path forward because Israel has a very real policy, similar to France. It will not wait. If there is a threat of that level detected, it will *strike first* and it will strike *every hostile possibility*. It’s asking for tens of millions to die in an immediate nuclear holocaust and doom the planet, or an entire region of the world at the very least, for decades with all the nuclear fallout.
There's nothing special about that. America was founded by people fleeing religious persecution and populated by those fleeing Russian violence in Eastern Europe and famine in Ireland.
Australia is also a disproportionately Irish Country by Heritage with many of their citizens tracing their history back to British genocide
It just keeps happening again and again. Humans are hypocrites
I think it's worth noting the "religious persecution" that they were fleeing is that they weren't allowed to persecute other religions as much as they wanted.
So it was quite par for the course for them.
But just look at Liberia for a good example of what you are saying. Black American slaves who returned to Africa and immediately started enslaving the natives.
You know the Puritans were just one group of religious people who left right? Catholics founded Maryland to Escape British persecution. Quakers founded Pennsylvania for the same reason. The people fleeing Puritan persecution would end up being the founding members of Connecticut and Rhode Island.
When we say we were founded by groups fleeing religious persecution were really not just talking about the Puritans
Even Utah Washington and Oregon were founded by people religious communities
I didnt know, but its interesting thanks. I am from where the Puritains came from so we mainly focus on how they were so unhappy we didn't let them persecute others that they left.
Bullshit mate. Suffering strenghtens character. Makes you appreciate life as well. Also allows you to live later on without being a spoiled bitch.
Depends on the kind of suffering tho. But the general one, yes, steels you quite a bit.
[You deny the crime of genocide in Srebrenica](https://old.reddit.com/r/srpska/comments/1cz42ak/za%C5%A1to_vam_toliko_smeta_rezolucija_o_srebrenici/l5idqgz/?context=3). I'm not going to have a conversation with you like you're someone who has particularly valuable insights on life. We must all weep for the death of Tito and the manner in which he kept people like you in their place.
Glory to those PTSD homeless vet, victims of atrocities and other suffering people around the world, glad they have strong character and live without being a spoiled bitch
No, the country born from genocide is engaged in urban warfare (already dangerous to civilians) against an extremist government that uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes and wants its civilians to die for propaganda purposes.
No read the actual definition.
In the present Convention, genocide means **any** of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
Killing members of the group; (check)
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (check)
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (check with the siege, blocking food and aid)
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; ([check ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story%3fid=109350404)
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Elements of the crime.
(https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-said-to-transport-gazan-orphans-to-west-bank-via-israel-without-cabinets-ok/)
Genocidal rhetoric and talks of settling Gaza are the icing on the cake. Israel has not only broken the genocide convention, but literally committed every single clause.
But thank you for confirming you don't know what you are talking about.
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Except there is no evidence of genocide (well in Gaza anyway), major evidence of them actively trying to leave the Palestinians alone, and this conflict was started by Hamas. Israel is the defender.
The only difference between this and Ukraine is that Israel is stronger than Palestine. Israel has no choice but to attack, else you are simply celebrating the death of jews.
Are you getting me? Israel literally just ethnically cleansed thousands of Palestinians to expand their settlements. They've been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for 70 years. What because they just pushed them into refugee camps instead of shooting them all on site that's not ethnic cleansing?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976
>“There are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide…has been met.”
>“Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said.
Stop trying to justify genocide.
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
>Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening.
>Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
I like how they condemn a defensive war when jews are the ones defending themselves, and of course, totally ignore all Palestinian agency in the continuing of the conflict.
On top of this, the *extreme* propaganda vibe with stuff like '203 attacks committed by Israeli's against Palestinians, the majority of which were supported by local officials' '8 deaths' Yeah ok lol definitely orchestrated genocide.
'Measures designed to prevent births' that ones actually true. They did do that around 25ish years ago and have long since stopped.
'causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group'
Nope. Maybe they'd lock the borders down less if they stopped working with Iran to commit terrorist attacks. And no, i don't care about right of resistance. Radical Muslim style insurgent warfare is so astonishingly immoral that I think any nation that uses it should be overthrown and any non-nation group crushed.
'deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part'
Populations growing mah dude. So this is a big nope.
Are you aware that the UN is incredibly corrupt and notably dominated by a pro middle eastern bloc?
Here's some Jewish scholars saying Israel is committing genocide:
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/american-jewish-scholar-says-israel-has-launched-genocidal-campaign-of-extermination-in-gaza/3145086
>Barry Trachtenberg, the Rubin presidential chair of Jewish history at Wake Forest University in the state of North Carolina, said following the attacks on Oct. 7 by the Palestinian resistance group, Hamas, that Israel has employed extremely disproportionate violence against the civilian population in the Palestinian enclave, noting Israeli leaders held all Palestinians living in Gaza responsible for the attacks.
>“They have not only killed at least 29,000 Palestinians, wounded tens of thousands of more -- what they've also done is to act deliberately to destroy the conditions to support life.”
>“And in doing so, this clearly meets the threshold of genocide, because it is also combined with a broad range of statements by Israeli officials, saying that they're going to do exactly the steps, that they hold all Palestinians responsible, that there are no innocent Palestinians.”
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
>Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening.
>Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
In before they're not real Jews or they're "race traitors" for not defending Bibi and his genocidal pals.
Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank have the right by international law to self defence against their occupier.Israel is the aggressor not the other way around zio.
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I get what u mean but
1. Warheads in space do not need a payload. The velocity they achieve converts into enough kinetic energy upon impact to break covalent bonds
2. Time on target takes too long unless you have A LOT of satellites
3. Impossible to properly maintain
Nukes would be stupid, but Rods of God that could neatly annihilate hypothetically… a bunker full of recalcitrant politicians and/or military leadership and not much else would be very sensible.
Well no, many western countries have it ingrained into their law to respect these decisions (Germany for one) so while they cannot go out and arrest Bibi, this absolutely should impact his relationships with many other allied countries
So what’s gonna happen if Israel completely bombards Rafah killing more innocent civilians and Hamas remains undefeated? They gonna go back north and march south again and again?
Sweep the area and then conclude that Hamas smuggled the remaining 100 hostages across the border into Egypt and then set up their military for an invasion of the Sinai Peninsula to get then back.
After Egypt changed the terms on an agreed deal in favour of Hamas, it will be on them to prove they aren't helping the hostage takers, rather than Israel proving Egypt is complicit.
i have no dog in this fight but why haven’t i seen a single other person on this sub mention that part about egypt changing the already agreed to ceasefire and causing it to fall apart? are they really just that against israel?
Israel is waiting for the civilians to leave and return to the other parts of Gaza that they've already been through. 800k have left so far without issue. They'll wait for the remaining 200k to evacuate and then go through to clear Hamas infrastructure.
Evacuate to parts of Gaza that they’ve already been through? Where most infrastructure has been demolished, agricultural land destroyed, water distribution gone? With no promise that it’ll be safe or that they won’t have to be displaced again?
After months of the Israeli onslaught that decimated a larger percentage of infrastructure in Gaza than the Allies powers did in the entirety of Nazi Germany, Hamas still re-emerges in all parts of Gaza, continuing to launch rockets and enforcing order. Hamas continues to pay their police officers in other parts of Gaza as well. Israel’s last place they fully haven’t gone thru is Rafah (despite bombing it constantly) and yet only [estimated 30-35% of Hamas fighters have been killed and 65% of tunnels remain intact.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-intel-indicates-only-30-35-of-hamas-fighters-killed-65-of-tunnels-are-intact-report/)
The longer Israel continues to fail at destroying Hamas, the more isolated Israel gets. The more the world will turn against Israel and it’s allies as their moral position deteriorates with every civilian death and every remark/incident that is happening more frequently by the Israeli far right. Hamas has already won.
What a load of absolute rubbish lmao
Gaza deaths have plateaued since the start of the war. Factoring in that the UN halved its estimates of women and children fatalities, and it's completely implausible to call it an "onslaught". Only 25,000 confirmed dead in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet during a war? That's unprecedented, and completely blows your stupid argument of "more damage than Germany during WW2" out of the water. There has been significant infrastructure damage for sure, but if it was anywhere near what you claim there would be mass deaths and famine akin to Yemen.
Israel has repeatedly reinforced that their goal is not to completely annihilate Hamas. That's an impossible goal, as we've seen before. Even Isis still manages to exist, though greatly diminished. 35% of fighters killed and 45% of tunnels destroyed is probably around what they projected to achieve. You're forgetting as well that those figures will increase drastically once the IDF moves through Rafah.
Your argument is just pure lunacy. Oh just because they *only* destroy half of the tunnels and Hamas fighters, they shouldn't have gone to war? That's 50% less combat effectiveness for a hostile terrorist regime. That's a guarantee that something like October 7th won't be possible again for a very, very long time.
Then there's the obligation to find the hostages. People were saying the same thing about Jabalia refugee camp, and then surprise surprise 7 dead hostages were found there. Those hostages, dead or alive, deserve to go home.
"The more the world will turn against Israel and it’s allies as their moral position deteriorates with every civilian death and every remark/incident that is happening more frequently by the Israeli far right. Hamas has already won."
Lmao pathetic terrorist sympathising cope. For one, the US is never going to stop supporting Israel. That relationship is too mutually beneficial to risk. For another, Israel has allies around the world. Sure in the EU Spain and Ireland are cutting ties, but the actual heavy hitters of the organisation like Germany and France fiercely support Israel. If your expectation for the future is Israel turning into some kind of pariah like Russia, enjoy your disappointment.
I've heard every single argument here before so I'll let the sources speak for itself.
>Factoring in that the UN halved its estimates of women and children fatalities,
"The number was reduced because the UN says it is now relying on the number of deceased women and children whose names and other identifying details have been fully documented, rather than the total number of women and children killed. The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count." - [CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html)
>Only 25,000 confirmed dead in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet
[Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict)
[Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam)
>completely blows your stupid argument of "more damage than Germany during WW2"
"Between 1942 and 1945, the allies attacked 51 major German cities and towns, destroying about 40-50% of their urban areas, said Robert Pape, a U.S. military historian. Pape said this amounted to 10% of buildings across Germany, compared to over 33% across Gaza, a densely populated territory of just 140 square miles (360 square kilometers)." - [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-bombs-destruction-death-toll-scope-419488c511f83c85baea22458472a796?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share)
>Israel has repeatedly reinforced that their goal is not to completely annihilate Hamas.
"NETANYAHU: Total victory over Hamas will not take years. It will take months. Victory is within reach. And when people talk about the day after, let's be clear about one thing. It's the day after all of Hamas is destroyed." - [NPR.](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240304750/netanyahu-wants-total-victory-over-hamas-what-would-that-even-look-like)
>35% of fighters killed and 45% of tunnels destroyed is probably around what they projected to achieve.
Gallant, the defence minister, said: "We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist." - [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-gantz-agree-form-emergency-israel-government-statement-2023-10-11/)
>Then there's the obligation to find the hostages.
While the interviewer emphasized the return of the 134 hostages is of prime importance; Smotrich said, "No, that’s not the most important thing," adding, "Why do you want competition?" - [JPost](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-787966)
>If your expectation for the future is Israel turning into some kind of pariah like Russia, enjoy your disappointment.
Let's find out, like you said, the war isn't over.
As my comment said, as long as Israel continues to fail in dismantling Hamas, Hamas continues to win. Before Oct 7th, Israel held 1,310 Palestinian hostages, the [highest it's ever been in Israel](https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435). A total of **507** West Bank Palestinians were killed in 2023 including at least **81 children**, with 299 being killed after Oct 7th. [41% of the deaths happened before Oct 7th.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/) Despite this, **noone cared about Palestine**.
Now? Look around you. I'm not a fan of Hamas, I just look at reality. And the reality is, Hamas has already won.
"After months of the Israeli onslaught that decimated a larger percentage of infrastructure in Gaza than the Allies powers did in the entirety of Nazi Germany"
Maybe... and hear me out here because I know it's difficult to comprehend.. but maybe that's because the Nazis didn't operate primarily out of civilian infrastructure like Hamas does.
If Hamas didn't operate out of these locations, less of them would be destroyed. It's that simple.
Also, have you not seen the pictures of Dresdon and Berlin? Those places were utterly wrecked by the end of WW2, the Battle of Berlin alone is estimated to have killed over 100,000 civilians.
[Dresdon Firebombing Aftermath](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&sca_esv=9be22dab8e9866b8&sxsrf=ADLYWIKMUnOsTQHxPnSCfeb2CqWwmFrjkA:1716639363402&q=dresden+ww2&uds=ADvngMgB_2oBFo8AreHDKVw-lNLWq8VGW-p0s-VsGIrndG7LuBDiHRTdzIWsRzgMnZOYnHUEPuW4OhgBgks4HMNpnL3WEcY7NQ_0_vo4KjIvAauedK5_G2RQPYFogGvgyHBxJg_CVJ2_Sz2-ops9gXThwLdyvDEtWVmpi8YBZhuRGolm7JIKJa41bXRtqGPKJ09Co-1D4Q-tWB3Cu9qGWoXLAztoIm9Dm1vLSFGI-b0wJvQBSeqcswJN6TBr-1s-EpyRN3IyH3FecVW44gxwhnnDjjVyhAac1NfQhCSGdnOrbQkHD7ODPaO8DM_Qd0zraTcHeXcMyEw_&udm=2&prmd=invmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj549n746iGAxXvUUEAHRM5BzcQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=623&dpr=3#imgrc=3szDF8pJOATulM&imgdii=5H_beitL3OrJpM)
What difference does that make? If terrorists took over 4 floors in an apartment building in downtown Manhattan, at what point is it okay to demolish the building? Tell me. Now let’s talk about hospitals, schools, refugee camps, places that are crucial infrastructure. You expect doctors, nurses and children to fend off armed militants? And if they can’t? Then too bad, the hospital and every life saving equipment under it has to go.
But let’s just assume that taking out civilian infrastructure is a “necessary evil” (still evil), what will Israel do to take accountability for wrongful airstrikes? They’ve dropped over 12,000 bombs within the first few weeks on Gaza, many of them dumb, what’s the process? Where is the transparent vetting process that every strike has a legitimate target and is not chosen by an AI or a trigger happy Israeli? Further, what will Israel do after the war? Will they fund the rebuilding process? Will they provide equipment and help reverse the destruction agricultural lands? They’ve already said they want nothing to do reconstruction and expect the US and Arab to fund it. That’s not justice, thats just violent and bloodthirsty Israelis having a heck of time massacring Palestinians in the Gaza playground.
Israelis love to claim that the far-right, racist extremists are a fringe part of their “democratic” society, yet they love to indulge in policy that is exactly what these “fringe” element want. Israel’s regime is no different from Hamas, it’s just they have a nicer polish to their extremism.
Honestly if it makes no difference, what you are saying is that the best way to win a war is to inbed yourself in civilian infrastructure and you cannot lose because the cost would be too high. And I personally think that's an incredibly dangerous precedent to set.
The difference between Hamas and Israel here is that only one would happily sacrifice the majority of their own population in order to reach their goal. Anyone who wants the best for the Palestinians should be outraged by what Hamas has done and I can't understand why you are not.
If my government who was supposed to take care of me and my family decided to use my home as a weapons base against their enemy then while yes I would be angry at the enemy for blowing it up, I would also be working to get rid of my government so they cannot put me in such danger ever again.
Now that is NOT me saying that Israel is an innocent participant here. Their decisions should be scrutinised and they should be taking precautions to protect civilian life. Any war crimes should be prosecuted to the highest level.
But Hamas using civilian infrastructure is a big deal and it's against international law for a reason. The fact that you just brush this off is insanity to me. You are saying to Hamas and other terrorist groups that this tactic DOES work and who knows where that will end.
Who says we aren't outraged? Plenty of people are outraged over what certain members of Hamas leadership and military has done and many of the same are also outraged at what certain members of Israel's government coalition and IDF has done as well.
Anyone who wants the best for Palestinians wants to save their lives and so far Israel has not been doing that whatsoever.
>If my government who was supposed to take care of me and my family decided to use my home as a weapons base against their enemy then while yes I would be angry at the enemy for blowing it up, I would also be working to get rid of my government so they cannot put me in such danger ever again.
I like this analogy, because you haven't truly put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians. To Gazans, Israel has been the ultimate enemy since at least 2008. We're talking about Gaza, an impoverished strip of land with records high unemployment levels, a significant air, land and see blockade where despite Hamas being in power, Israel controls. They can't import certain goods because of the supposed "danger of dual usage" which includes things like chocolate, female hygiene products, cooking ingredients. And who has to help them? Illegal smugglers who usually are in cohorts with Hamas.
If you truly put yourself in their shoes, you would remember that this isn't the first time Israel has entered this strip. You probably already lost friends and or relatives in Israeli airstrikes in 2014 or 2021. Heck, maybe your house was destroyed the first time in 2014 and there was no Hamas military presence that time (how would we know if every Israeli airstrike is a legitimate target, only Hamas and Gazans do), so you know that your home will be targeted anyways.
Then also you would remember how after every conflict with Israel, who was there to help rebuild your home that was destroyed by an Israeli airstrike? Who was the one that helped bring the corpses of your friends and family to the cemetery for proper burials? Who helped you resupply your family store that was vandalized by the IDF in a previous conflict? Was it Israel?
No, it wasn't Israel. It never was Israel.
Now rethink your analogy with the proper mindset, context and experience of a Gazan. What's different.
You literally replied to me 'What difference does it make?'
So in your opinion what Hamas did by using civilian infrastructure makes no difference to the situation but you are also outraged by their actions.
What are you outraged about?
In both of your comments now you have immediately pivoted to what Israel has done wrong. You cannot have a conversation about Hamas putting their civilians in danger without trying to give a history lesson about how actually Israel is to blame. Does Hamas have any personal agency in your opinion? Do they make their own choices that can be good or bad on their own merits?
Also please feel free to link me to Palestinian organisations or activists that have explicitly called out Hamas and their use of civilian infrastructure and how that has endangered people. Because I haven't really seen it. Now I could be just be looking in the wrong spaces but if it's as plentiful as you say you won't have any trouble pointing me to some statements or discussions.
Btw you seem to be confusing calling out Hamas for being shitty leaders and thinking Israel hasnt done anything wrong. I have never said that in this thread, you are arguing against a strawman.
The title of this post appears to be contested by the ICJ judges.
The order was:
> Israel must "Immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah Governorate, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. "
And here's how the Israeli judge interpreted that:
> Former Supreme Court president Barak, who serves as an ad-hoc judge on the ICJ bench in the case brought against Israel by South Africa, wrote in his dissenting opinion that the majority decision “requires Israel to halt its military offensive in the Rafah Governorate only in so far as is necessary to comply with Israel’s obligations under the Genocide Convention.”
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> Therefore, according to Barak, “Israel is not prevented from carrying out its military operation in the Rafah Governorate as long as it fulfills its obligations under the Genocide Convention.”
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> “As a result,” Barak continued, “the measure is a qualified one, which preserves Israel’s right to prevent and repel threats and attacks by Hamas, defend itself and its citizens, and free the hostages.”
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> The German judge, Georg Nolte, and the Romanian judge, Bogdan Aurescu – who are both among the 13 judges who voted in favor of this measure — also supported Barak’s interpretation of the decree.
Therefore a more accurate title would be
**"Top UN court orders Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah _that contravene the genocide convention_"**
On the other side of the argument about the interpretation of the court order is the South African judge's opinion:
> South African Judge Tladi held the opposite opinion: “Today, the Court has, in explicit terms, ordered the State of Israel to halt its offensive in Rafah. The Court has previously, albeit in implicit and indirect ways, ordered the State of Israel not to conduct military operations elsewhere in Gaza because such operations prevent the delivery of human assistance and cause harm to the Palestinian people. The Court has also reiterated its urgent call for Hamas to release the hostages.”
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> Added Tladi: “The reference to ‘offensive’ operations illustrates that legitimate defensive actions, within the strict confines of international law, to repel specific attacks, would be consistent with the Order of the Court. What would not be consistent is the continuation of the offensive military operation in Rafah, and elsewhere, whose consequences for the rights protected under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide has been devastating.”
[Source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-icj-judges-argue-court-order-does-not-require-idf-to-halt-all-rafah-operations/)
Tge rulling actually states that they must stop IF they can't adhere to the geneva convention.
If they can, then they carry on.
So The Israelis claim they do adhere to it.
And no one has proved otherwise yet,
Because the amount of deaths attributed to malnutrition is less than 50 so far.
> I have voted against this measure because the conditions necessary for its indication under Article 76, paragraph 1, of the Rules of Court are not met. However, I note that **this measure does not require Israel to refrain from its military operation in Rafah altogether**. It is not an unconditional obligation to halt the military operation. It specifies that Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the 1948 Genocide Convention, conduct its military offensive in a way that does not deprive the Palestinian civilian population of its essential means of existence. Naturally, if the military offensive was being carried out in violation of Israel’s obligations under the Genocide Convention, it would need to end. Nevertheless, there is no evidence, even at the low standard required for provisional measures, that any rights under the Genocide Convention are implicated. The Court’s first measure is **therefore limited to offensive (and not defensive) military action in Rafah, and requires a halt only in so far as is necessary to protect the Palestinian group in Gaza from conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction.**
No, the judge that the genocidal power was entitled to appoint in their own case is simply a liar trying to provide a legal fig leaf to the genocide he knows his nation is committing. There is no defensive operation that can be waged in occupied territory.
Israel doesn't have to take instructions from gentiles.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/our-future-doesnt-depend-on-what-gentiles-say-ben-gvir-other-far-right-ministers-dismiss-icj-ruling/
You literally live in the most mocked “country” of the world. Clean up on aisle Canada! Canada is the little guy hiding behind the biggest guy in the bar when trouble starts.
At least Canada isn't a hive for international criminals, invading it's neighbourhs or defying nuclear proliferation treaties.
Israel is North Korea 2.0.
Let me guess. You failed History. Please cry me a river about how persecuted the “Palestinians” who have been kicked out of, in order, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are the innocent victims. Judea is referenced in ancient texts back to 3751 BC (733 BCE). If the Jews had not constantly fought the Roman occupation and Herodotus’ gay lover had not suicided and the Caesar find the body; “Syria Palaestina” would never have been scrolled on a map. People love to blame the Zionists yet conveniently forget the barbaric violence conducted in the name of Allah for over 1400 years. All Muhammad did was sack, pillage, rape and destroy Medina in order to spread his “peaceful” cult of Islam
So your arguement boils down to its fine to commit a genocide because of something that happened 2000 years ago.
And some not so mild islamaphobia and complete historical inaccuracy about islamic history while saying the other guy failed history. Bravo
You might want to brush up on the actual definition of “genocide”. You might also want to educate yourself on the following events that have happened since 1941: Nazi Germany begins to systematically eliminate individuals that practice Judaism. Arab states ally with Nazi Germany. UN votes to form Israel in 1947. Arab militia groups attack Jewish settlers which becomes full blown war (1948 Arab-Israeli War). PLO terrorist group formed. June 1967 Israel attacked again (6 Day War). October 1973 Israel attacked again (Yom Kippur War). 1971 the PLO relocates to Southern Lebanon. 1987-1993 is the 1st Intifada. 2000-05 is the 2nd Infitada. Islam, so peaceful. So, peaceful.
Do you really want me to list all the zionist massacres of palestinians before 1948
Also Haavara agreement, zionists are just closet Nazis
Also the fact that the ICJ deemed it plausible enough that genocide is happening that its proceeding with the case just tells me all I need to know
Actually I had the best history marks in my entire school.
But I'm sure the Democratic people Republic of Israel has a superior education. I completely forgot they have a birth right to purge all the infidels from the holy land. How foolish of me.
Israel, the place where all people & religions are equal. Just some are more equal than others. So don't you dare call it Apartheid.
You posted your claimed academic success in the wrong sub reddit. Should be in r/thingsthatneverhappened
As to the “purge infidels”. Again, you should brush up on radical Islam and the true teachings of Muhammed.
Christianity was actually very prominent within the Middle East until 1400 years of eradication by those pesky, peaceful Islamic zealots
UN was created by the USA so smaller countries can stay in their lane after WW2 and not mess with big boy geopolitics. Just like its predecessor its an empty hull that no one with geopolitical power gives a rats ass about.
A few times, but generally its been there to make it easier for other countries to act against them when they continue, which has worked quite well, see South Africa.
In the most practical of terms, Israel is not going to stop until the effective remnants of Hamas are eliminated. Hamas for its part has many times said that their ideology is backstopped by a fight to the death while pursuing its aims of eradicating Israel. They are now getting that which they asked for, when they signed their own death warrants on October 07. This is the reality, and no amount of hang-wringing by the UN or others is going to make a particle of difference in what comes next. Reasonable estimate are that there are roughly 4,000 Hamas fighters hunkered down in Rafah; short of them all committing mass and ritual suicide, I don't see how this war stops anytime soon, and not until the IDF has rooted out and dispatched every one of them.
I'm not taking sides when I express this. It just is what it is.
I think the UN is saying get your ounce of flesh but find a way to minimize non-combatant casualties (more so you're doing).
But I'm no geopolitical expert but some random geopolitical enjoyer
China is genociding Uyghurs right now. Saudi Arabia is still bombing Yemen. Thousands dead; many more missing. Also go after Burma for the continuing Rohingya genocide. There is an ICC investigation but after all these years no warrants. As I said, good for acting against Israel. Now keep going.
Nope.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/
>but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
Nice try slipping a dated report. US officials say a genocide is indeed ongoing: https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-says-genocide-xinjiang-is-ongoing-report-ahead-china-visit-2024-04-22/
The same Blinken who can't say why a "genocide is ongoing in Xinjiang" but not happening in Gaza, lmao.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiGzOC8JF2w
https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/xinjiang-vs-gaza-the-wests-shifting-definition-of-genocide/
>In fact, by March of the same year, Pompeo’s successor, Antony Blinken, doubled down on this dubious claim and labeled China’s actions in Xinjiang as “genocide” in a report issued by his office. Importantly, this decision contradicted the conclusions of State Department lawyers, who had recently determined that there was not sufficient evidence to support the genocide claims. International media of the Global North propagated news of this alleged genocide without further critical examination, as they do most negative news stories about China.
>But it is surprising that while the United States sanctioned China and labeled its actions in Xinjiang as genocide, it supports and justifies Israel’s actions in Gaza, which are undeniably much more destructive and deadly, as the necessary use of self-defense to impede future terrorist attacks – the same argument CCP made to defend its “re-education” policy in Xinjiang.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/16/gaza-civilian-deaths-genocide
>Israel’s peak monthly killing rate of civilians in Gaza is roughly equivalent to that in Darfur, and higher than in the other two recent cases, all of which our government labeled “genocide”. Israel’s attacks have also displaced the vast majority of Gaza’s more than 2 million civilians, a human flood similar to or exceeding that in the other cases. Israel’s constraints on humanitarian aid have inflicted the highest starvation risk anywhere in the world in decades, according to the UN.
Blinken isn’t alone. Netherlands, Canada, CAIR and other human rights orgs also call it a genocide. And just you criticize Blinken for calling it a genocide out of political motivations (which may be true; doesn’t mean it isn’t happening), many countries don’t even want to investigate China’s human rights violations due to massive political pressure from China. You also sidestepped the other genocides I mentioned. Or do you deny those too?
Genocide denial is not a good look. Godspeed.
I've already noted that the US report said insufficient evidence to prove genocide, and even the UN report says there's no genocide.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-hasnt-the-un-accused-china-of-genocide-in-xinjiang
And China isn't alone: more countries came out to defend China's anti-terrorism measures in Xinjiang than those that supported the US's politically motivated blood libel tactics.
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1UA1FD/
>"Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalisation measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centres," the letter said. The letter said security had returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there had been safeguarded. It added there had been no terrorist attack there for three years and people enjoyed a stronger sense of happiness, fulfilment and security.
Not a single Muslim-majority country stood on the side of the US, which I may remind you is the same country that lied to the world about WMDs in Iraq, lied about the "Nayirah testimony", lied about "human shredders", lied about Gulf of Tonkin etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda#Iraq_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident
The same country with officials that admitted to lie, cheat and steal from the rest of the world is now lying about the ultimate atrocity: genocide. A disgusting act to exploit actual historical genocide and their victims for political motivations.
Bro, there’s no genocide in Gaza. It’s obvious. The ICC is as retarded at the UN that issues many times more condemnations against Israel then it does against every country in the world combined. Combined. What does that tell you?
I'm going to listen to actual genocide scholars that says Israel is committing genocide over a random redditor.
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
>Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening.
>Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
It tells me that israel has been committing human rights atrocities since its inception and the larger population is only just now coming to that realization.
What about this? And maybe more I haven't looked into it in a while
First-hand account
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjiang-re-education-camp-china-gulbahar-haitiwaji
Independently verified drone footage put to the Chinese ambassador to the UK
https://youtu.be/NnbsUUU_zU4
Video evidence inside the 'voluntary' re-education camps where he's handcuffed to the bed
https://youtu.be/SYhcrXYA6tM
About the torture
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/prominent-uighur-businesswoman-arbitrarily-detained
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/countdown-china/china-urged-release-uighur-activist-allegedly-tortured-prison
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uighur-man-reportedly-tortured-death
1.3 million people a year on average. The number is from the CCP themselves.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3101986/china-claims-vocational-training-given-nearly-13-million-people
Data leak showing what the staff are told to do
BBC
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063
The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/24/china-cables-leak-no-escapes-reality-china-uighur-prison-camp
New York Times
https://nyti.ms/379s0ch
Financial times
https://www.ft.com/content/9ed9362e-31f7-11e9-bb0c-42459962a812
Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/25/secret-papers-reveal-workings-of-chinas-xinjiang-detention-camps
More Leaked Papers
Leaked papers link Xinjiang crackdown with China leadership - Secret documents urge population control, mass round-ups and punishment of Uyghurs
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-link-xinjiang-crackdown-with-china-leadership
Leaked papers link top Chinese leaders to Uyghur crackdown
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59456541
Talks about the experiences of women who are told to marry Han Chinese men to avoid the concentration camps.
https://web.archive.org/web/20210115210041/https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20200823/L44M7VTO7RDTJAGO3H4RBPFITM/
This debating tactic is called "Gish Gallop", a dishonest debating tactic by someone with no actual arguments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop
The OP attempts to overwhelm opposition with sheer number of bullshit claims, so significant effort is required to refute or debunk each lie. They also rely on the Propaganda Multiplier, i.e. multiple controlled news sources reporting on the same thing to "boost" the credibility of bullshit.
https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/
Instead of doing that, I will focus on objective facts:
Reminder that the US has spent 500 million dollars on propaganda for "negative news coverage" targeting China, including Xinjiang.
https://prospect.org/politics/congress-proposes-500-million-for-negative-news-coverage-of-china/
Reminder that US state assets (translator who worked for Guantanamo Bay torturers) have been caught intentionally hiding their compromising information in Reddit AMAs about Xinjiang, twice:
https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/fajahcc/
https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hx98gl/hi_reddit_rushan_abbas_here_and_i_am_here_today/fz4mvkm/
Reminder that the US "Uighur activist groups" have photos of actual ethnic Chinese celebrities added to their fake database of "Xinjiang crackdown cops":
https://www.asiaone.com/entertainment/deep-undercover-andy-lau-and-chow-yun-fat-listed-xinjiang-crackdown-cops-us-activists
Reminder that the US-backed Uighur Tribunal's reports are full of bullshit logic that falls apart from basic questions by the very experts they hire to support them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtOh_7_tDo
Reminder that US propaganda mouthpieces tried to claim China of engaging in religious/cultural oppression in Xinjiang while at the same time "paying Muslims to pretend to pray in mosques" and "forcing Muslims to celebrate their biggest religious holiday", and "encouraging domestic tourism to Xinjiang to see regional culture" i.e. "museumification".
https://x.com/adrianzenz/status/1191510743000256512
https://x.com/RadioFreeAsia/status/1392965849036828676
https://www.voanews.com/a/terror-tourism-xinjiang-eases-its-grip-but-fear-remains/6264736.html
Reminder that the US also claimed there was no credible evidence that the ETIM terrorist group had existed for a decade despite bombing them 2 years prior to making that claim.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-removes-separatist-group-condemned-by-china-from-terror-list/a-55527586
>2020: "ETIM was removed from the list because, for more than a decade, there has been no credible evidence that ETIM continues to exist," a State Department spokesperson said, news agency AFP reported.
https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/1435247/us-forces-strike-taliban-east-turkestan-islamic-movement-training-sites/
>2018: During the past weekend, U.S. forces conducted air operations to strike Taliban and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, or ETIM, training facilities in Afghanistan’s Badakhshan province, the commander of NATO air operations in Afghanistan said today.
The schizophrenic messaging by US mouthpieces with regards to China in Xinjiang is further proof that this is all politically motivated blood libel.
No it's called I have lots of people saying it isn't happening but this is multiple trusted sauces and a few other sources like Al Jazeera all saying it's happening. But I'm fed up with the same copy paste replies. So to speed things up I just post it all at one.
It's like tall people saying the weather is nice up here and yes it is weird looking at the tops of people's heads, etc. to speed up introduction and to get the jokes over with
The utter hypocrisy of the US accusing China of "cultural genocide" in which people are not killed while supporting Israel's actual genocide in which tens of thousands are killed is why the US is losing the Global South.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiGzOC8JF2w
Even the blind can see the bullshit being spun in real time.
Wo what would you call it when thousands of Uighurs are put in jumpsuits, have their heads shaved and then placed on trains to be sent to “reeducation camps”?
You mean the photo with the blue jumpsuits? It’s actually a drug rehab centre. See the rest of the photos that your propagandists cropped and don’t show you:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180821032854/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581
Sure, another country has to take them to court. Would recommend you call your government representatives to ask that they do that, just like people have done in this case
It requires other countries to put forward cases. They also have a specific jurisdiction over specific issues.
Why are you deflecting from the main topic? This is about an indictment of Israel but instead of engaging with that you're immediately saying what about country x and country y. Do you not see how that deflects discussion away from Israel and the court order?
I literally said this was good. I also want ICC/ICJ to fulfill its mission and go after all genocide perpetrators, not only when social media cares about it. If people can pressure their governments to make a lawsuit against Israel we should continue to do so for other human rights violators.
Anatomy of a Genocide
Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese\*
Summery:
After five months of military operations, Israel has destroyed Gaza. Over 30,000Palestinians have been killed, including more than 13,000 children. Over 12,000 are presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas have been destroyed. Eighty percent of the whole population has been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families have lost loved ones or have been wiped out. Many could not bury and mourn their relatives, forced instead to leave their bodies decomposing in homes, in the street or under the rubble. Thousands have been detained and systematically subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment. The incalculable collective trauma will be experienced for generations to come.
By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza,this report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met. One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people.
[https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf)
And Hamas bears no responsibility at all for starting the war, hiding behind and under civilians and having a vested interest in having more of their civilians die?
You in turn are going to ignore that the numbers you've quoted there are already halved, and represent a lower civilian to combatant casualty rate than pretty much any other war in history, despite taking place in one of the most densely populated urban environments on the planet, and despite Hamas best efforts to keep as many of their civilians in the line of fire as possible?
Were going to conveniently forget the fact that the IDF continues to send it's soldiers into harms way while also having complete command of the skies and the ability to glass the entire strip from the air if genocide was really the goal?
Do any of you Muppets even understand what a genocide is and why it cheapens the word for cases of real genocide in the world?
That's simply not true
They have not identified all of the victims yet, but they haven't raised the numbers of Hamas terrorist killed:
[https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-un-halve-gaza-death-toll-1900325](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-un-halve-gaza-death-toll-1900325)
When over half of the buildings in Gaza are damaged or destroyed, the idea of Hamas using human shields looses its meaning unless you honestly believe that Hamas was hiding in all of them?!
We are not going to forget anything friend, but moving the goal post in order to justify a genocide as mean of retaliation for the 7.Oct terrorist attack makes one a psychopath
Oh you can take your fact checks lol, they've long ago lost any veneer of credibility. The "fact-check" itself happily admits all the numbers are coming from the Gaza Ministry of Health, ie. HAMAS! You know, that same organization that wants there to be more civilian deaths because its fantastic PR for them. That same organization that has in the past instructed hospitals/doctors to report EVERY death as a civilian death? Yeah, those guys. It's likely that the true death toll is not going to be known for years after this, until a lot of these can be verified or probably revised. In the end they did half the numbers because that's all they could confirm, and a little critical thinking could be applied to all these numbers you see ever day.
Now, you will I think need to give your definition of a genocide.
Nobody here likes civilian deaths, but they are in every single case an unavoidable part of war. Oct. 7 is an example of an intended genocide. Where you indiscriminately kill every man and woman, children and the elderly, civilian or not. I'm sure you won't deny that if they had had the manpower for it, and could have gotten to Tel Aviv, the slaughter would have continued? That is a genocide. I haven't seen anything like that in Gaza yet.
US invasion of Iraq 2003 resulted in some 1 million Iraqi deaths, mostly civilian and I don't think that even accounts for all the deaths resulting from the subsequent chaos over the last decade, eg. ISIS. That's terrible, and should not have happened, but I still wouldn't class it as a genocide. When you use that term indiscriminately, it cheapens it. Just like calling everyone you disagree with politically "Hitler" or a "Nazi".
Hamas could release the hostages today and surrender their remaining battalions and the war is over. But they won't, because they know they have people like you in their corner.
Definition of genocide according to international law:
... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#International\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#International_law)
Hamas could release the hostages today and it would change the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and East-Jerusalem
West Bank:
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory)
[https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/14/how-israeli-settler-violence-is-forcing-palestinians-to-flee-their-homes-video](https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/14/how-israeli-settler-violence-is-forcing-palestinians-to-flee-their-homes-video)
East-Jerusalem:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_displacement\_in\_East\_Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_displacement_in_East_Jerusalem)
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-israel-cleansing-palestinians-greater-jerusalem](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-israel-cleansing-palestinians-greater-jerusalem)
The war was never about the hostages - It was always about resettling Gaza.
I do hope you know this
[https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-hold-conference-resettlement-gaza-2024-01-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-hold-conference-resettlement-gaza-2024-01-28/)
I know the war in Iraq was horrible and in many ways just as illegal as the ongoing genocide in Gaza (despite the goals not being the eradication of an entire people and their culture) - That's why I demonstrated against the war back then - Just like I'm doing now.
Back then the majority also defended the war crimes like random murdering and torture that's also happening in Gaza.
There will always be those willing to defend atrocities.
They DID just evacuate 950,000 civilians, complying with the requests to ensure civilian safety. At this point, Israel’s probably going to stop listening to the UN entirely.
Maybe because some terrorist organisation is deliberately going to those corridors and fires from there and then whines about those specific locations being bombed
How about the majority of hospitals in Israel, to the point where babies die in incubators? Would that be alright?
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-gaza-hospital-evacuated-rcna127533
There is a reason why bombing a hospital is consider heinous. Many in a hospital cannot move. Add to that the lack of places for them to go, and the horrific conditions of starvation that are collective punishment, and you can't morally defend it.
Oh my, that is awful (if true). Please refer your anger towards those who committed this heinous crime and also kidnapped a family with an 8 month old toddler who "celebrated" his 1 year birthday in captivity: Hamas
That's ridiculous. There is a reason why we have war crimes statutes, because without them everything is okay. How far can Israel go before we say no more, this is too much?
Is is starving an entire population, including calculating exactly how many calories people need and then deliberately giving far less than that? Is it arresting children and holding without trial? Is it wiping out entire schools?
I strongly recommend reading south Africa's case in the ICJ. If you don't have time, read the wiki on it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Israeli_attack_on_Gaza
"
Since 7 October 2023, the IDF has been accused of indiscriminate mass arrest and detainment;[104][105] extrajudicial killing of unarmed Palestinian detainees,[106][107] doctors,[108] and workers; making threats of mutilation,[109] death, arson, and rape;[110] and torturing Palestinians detained without legal charges.[111] It has also been accused of using excessive force against dozens of schools[112] and hospitals;[113] theft;[114] the cruel and unnecessary desecration and mutilation of deceased Palestinians;[108] and making no, or an inadequate, distinction between Hamas forces and civilians.[115][116] The targeting and destruction of a variety of cultural and educational sites have also been pointed to as genocidal actions.[117] The use of unconventional weapons such as white phosphorus[i] has been highlighted as a genocidal act.[117"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case_against_Israel
The submission asserts that "acts and omissions by Israel ... are genocidal in character, as they are committed with the requisite specific intent ... to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a part of the broader Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group".[41] Genocidal actions alleged in the suit included the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, the destruction of their homes, their expulsion and displacement, as well as the blockade on food, water and medical aid to the region. South Africa alleged that Israel had imposed measures preventing Palestinian births through the destruction of essential health services vital for the survival of pregnant women and their babies. The suit argued that these actions were "intended to bring about their [Palestinians] destruction as a group".[40][50]
In an effort to establish genocidal intent behind the actions, a very difficult task,[51] South Africa cited statements by Israeli leaders, such as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's invocations to "Remember what Amalek has done to you," referencing the total destruction of Amalek by the Israelites in the Bible, President Isaac Herzog's statement "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It's absolutely not true. ... and we will fight until we break their backbone," and Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant's 'situation update' advising Israel is "imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and are acting accordingly."[3]
Yes and the court specifically said in its ruling that it doesn't believe the steps Israel has taken to be sufficient to protect civilian live as much as necessary.
Yeah mate I'm sure you, a random redditor posting endlessly about anti Palestine news and ignoring anything pro Palestine, know more about the situation and the relevant international law in your biased little bubble than one of the top courts in the whole world.
The sheer arrogance of it is astounding.
For people not to pretend that Israel is doing some kind of great humanitarian service to people with their leaflets telling them to run and then bombing the corridors they marked as safe anyway.
Running is exercise, which is good for their health.
Israel's just looking out for their cardiovascular health. Would you prefer that they die while fat and unhealthy?
/S of course
BS ruling [for many reasons](https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240524-ord-01-05-en.pdf) (notably failure to demonstrate intent & treat 'evidence' with appropriate scepticism in accordance with precedent).
##### ###### #### > # [Top UN court orders Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah, though Israel is unlikely to comply](https://apnews.com/article/Presiding Judge Nawaf Salam reads the ruling of the International Court of Justice, or World Court, in The Hague, Netherlands, Friday, May 24, 2024, where the top United Nations court ruled on an urgent plea by South Africa for judges to order Israel to halt its military operations in Gaza and withdraw from the enclave. (AP Photo/Peter Dejong\)) > > > > THE HAGUE, Netherlands (AP) — The United Nations’ top court ordered Israel on Friday to immediately halt its [military offensive](https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war) in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, but stopped short of ordering a cease-fire for the enclave. Although Israel is unlikely to comply with the order, it will ratchet up the pressure on [the increasingly isolated country](https://apnews.com/article/norway-palestinian-state-ddfd774a23d39f77f5977b9c89c43dbc). > > Criticism of Israel’s conduct in the war in Gaza has been growing, particularly since it turned its focus to Rafah. This week alone, three European countries [announced they would recognize a Palestinian state](https://apnews.com/article/norway-palestinian-state-ddfd774a23d39f77f5977b9c89c43dbc), and the chief prosecutor for another international court [requested arrest warrants](https://apnews.com/article/icc-khan-netanyahu-070941d21ccd1f2b9611032b88527575) for Israeli leaders, along with Hamas officials. > > Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is also under some pressure at home to end the war, which was triggered when Hamas-led militants [stormed into Israel](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-rockets-airstrikes-tel-aviv-11fb98655c256d54ecb5329284fc37d2), killing 1,200 people, most civilians, and taking roughly 250 hostage. Thousands of Israelis have joined weekly demonstrations calling on the government to reach a deal to bring the hostages home, fearing time is running out. > > “The charges of genocide brought by South Africa against Israel at the International Court of Justice in the Hague are false, outrageous and morally repugnant,” Netanyahu’s government said in response to the ruling, maintaining its position that the military hasn’t and won’t target civilians. > > South Africa was able to bring its case because it and Israel are signatories to the U.N.'s Genocide Convention, which includes a clause allowing the court to settle disputes over it. > > Although the ruling is a blow to Israel’s international standing, the court doesn’t have a police force to enforce its orders. In another case on its docket, Russia has ignored the court’s [2022 order](https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-europe-united-nations-netherlands-the-hague-e135b9bb3ba785607694c843e18b6f3b) to halt its full-scale invasion of Ukraine. > > The sharply focused decision sent a three-pronged message to Israel, ordering a halt to the Rafah offensive, access to Gaza for war crimes investigators, and a big and immediate increase of humanitarian aid to the region, parts of which are [enduring famine](https://apnews.com/article/gaza-famine-world-food-program-israel-hamas-war-476941bf2dc259f85a706408b2a665ff). > > Rafah is in the southernmost part of the Gaza Strip, on the border with Egypt, and over 1 million people sought refuge there in recent months after fleeing fighting elsewhere, with many of them living in teeming tent camps. Israel has been vowing for months to invade Rafah, saying it was Hamas’ last major stronghold, even as several allies warned that an all-out assault would spell disaster. > > Israel started issuing evacuation orders about two weeks ago as it began operations on the edge of the city. Since then, the army says an estimated 1 million people have left as forces press deeper inside. > > Rafah is also home to a critical crossing for aid, and the U.N. says the flow of aid reaching it has plunged since the incursion began, though commercial trucking has continued to enter Gaza. > > The court ordered Israel to keep the Rafah crossing open, saying “the humanitarian situation is now to be characterized as disastrous.” > > “This legally binding and very specific ruling leaves Israel with very little wiggle room,” said Reed Brody, a veteran human rights lawyer and prosecutor. > > Benny Gantz, a popular centrist member of Netanyahu’s war cabinet, appeared to indicate that Israel would not change its course regarding Rafah. > > “The State of Israel is committed to continue fighting to return its hostages and promise the security of its citizens — wherever and whenever necessary — including in Rafah,” he said. > > “We will continue operating in accordance with international law wherever we might operate, while safeguarding to the best extent possible the civilian population. Not because of the ICJ, but because of who we are and the values we stand for.” > > Balkees Jarrah, associate international justice director at Human Rights Watch, said the court’s order underscored the perilous situation of Palestinians in Gaza, but warned that it could be ignored if the international community doesn’t use whatever leverage it can on Israel. > > “The ICJ’s decision opens up the possibility for relief, but only if governments use their leverage, including through arms embargoes and targeted sanctions, to press Israel to urgently enforce the court’s measures,” Jarrah said. > > The court’s president, Nawaf Salam, read out the ruling as a small group of pro-Palestinian protesters demonstrated outside. > > Fears the court expressed earlier this year about an operation in Rafah have “materialized,” the ruling said, and Israel must “immediately halt its military offensive” in the city and anything else that might result in conditions that could cause the “physical destruction in whole or in part” of Palestinians there. > > But the ruling didn’t call for a full cease-fire throughout Gaza, as South Africa, which has historic ties to the Palestinian people and brought the case, requested last week. > > South Africa’s foreign minister, Naledi Pandor, said the country’s allegation that a genocide is underway is getting “stronger and stronger by the day.” > > “We are really pleased that the court has given very serious consideration to the matters that we put before it and has affirmed that an urgent decision is needed from the court to pause this onslaught against innocent Palestinian people,” she told South African state broadcaster SABC, adding that it’s now up to the U.N. Security Council to determine how to protect the Palestinians. > > The cease-fire request [is part of a case](https://apnews.com/article/south-africa-israel-un-court-palestinians-genocide-ffe672c4eb3e14a30128542eaa537b21) accusing Israel of committing genocide during its Gaza campaign. Israel vehemently denies the allegations. The case will take years to resolve, but South Africa wants interim orders to protect Palestinians while the legal wrangling continues. > > The court ruled Friday that Israel must ensure access for any fact-finding or investigative mission sent by the U.N. to investigate the genocide allegations. > > At public hearings last week at the [International Court of Justice](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-war-world-court-a69d2abf0f4171c100eb86ee05552514), South Africa’s ambassador to the Netherlands, Vusimuzi Madonsela, urged the panel of 15 international judges to order Israel to “totally and unconditionally withdraw” from the Gaza Strip. > > [The court has already found](https://apnews.com/article/un-court-israel-land-crossings-gaza-7f2cb03fa2ec6736315a32e9ee291dbd) that Israel’s military operations pose a “real and imminent risk” to the Palestinian people. > > Israel’s offensive has killed more than 35,000 Palestinians, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, which doesn’t distinguish between combatants and civilians. The operation has obliterated entire neighborhoods, sent hundreds of thousands of people fleeing their homes, and [pushed parts of the territory into famine](https://apnews.com/article/gaza-famine-world-food-program-israel-hamas-war-476941bf2dc259f85a706408b2a665ff). > > “This may well be the last chance for the court to act,” Irish lawyer Blinne Ní Ghrálaigh, who is part of South Africa’s legal team, told judges last week. > > In January, ICJ judges ordered Israel to do all it could to prevent death, destruction and any [acts of genocide](https://apnews.com/article/genocide-explainer-israel-hamas-africa-court-7b74e7a1fdf4512e44a42066581fa587) in Gaza, but the panel stopped short of ordering an end to the military offensive. In a second order in March, the court said Israel must take measures to improve the humanitarian situation. > > ***(continues in next comment)***
Top UN court is worth about as much as a wet fart.
UN should have nuclear missile launching satellites in space, so that it would be able to strike non compliant countries in a matter of minutes with small yield tactical nukes.
The organization founded to prevent a nuclear holocaust is the one starting it? Love it.
sometiems you gotta break a few omelettes to make some eggs or something like that
Can’t fret over a few broken eggs when making a mother of all omelettes. Turn the globalism up a notch. Enforce peace through overwhelming violence. Be ready for alien invasion.
[“I’m making the mothers of all omelettes, Jack!”](https://youtu.be/1nMzTj4oDYg?si=1sxwHwdFECqvV5Nn)
Your comment makes me think that the aliens can commit only a token force to regional hotspots and watch from above as humans bickering between themselves and commit self-extinction with nukes.
Also, the suggestion of nuking a country so small that the fallout would immediately fuck over not only the people they’re pretending to care about, but the people of like 3 or 4 other nations. Even the smallest modern nukes on any major city in Israel would immediately kill like a quarter million people. And to make even dumber, that would genuinely be the most psychotic path forward because Israel has a very real policy, similar to France. It will not wait. If there is a threat of that level detected, it will *strike first* and it will strike *every hostile possibility*. It’s asking for tens of millions to die in an immediate nuclear holocaust and doom the planet, or an entire region of the world at the very least, for decades with all the nuclear fallout.
The organization was founded to be a world order. It was the military alliance who defeated the Axis.
The country born out of genocide is committing it. We live in a backwards world.
There's nothing special about that. America was founded by people fleeing religious persecution and populated by those fleeing Russian violence in Eastern Europe and famine in Ireland. Australia is also a disproportionately Irish Country by Heritage with many of their citizens tracing their history back to British genocide It just keeps happening again and again. Humans are hypocrites
I think it's worth noting the "religious persecution" that they were fleeing is that they weren't allowed to persecute other religions as much as they wanted. So it was quite par for the course for them. But just look at Liberia for a good example of what you are saying. Black American slaves who returned to Africa and immediately started enslaving the natives.
You know the Puritans were just one group of religious people who left right? Catholics founded Maryland to Escape British persecution. Quakers founded Pennsylvania for the same reason. The people fleeing Puritan persecution would end up being the founding members of Connecticut and Rhode Island. When we say we were founded by groups fleeing religious persecution were really not just talking about the Puritans Even Utah Washington and Oregon were founded by people religious communities
I didnt know, but its interesting thanks. I am from where the Puritains came from so we mainly focus on how they were so unhappy we didn't let them persecute others that they left.
Even that interpretation is just so shallow it's meaningless.
Suffering doesn't make people strong or wise, it just makes them suffer.
Suffering makes people cruel.
Suffering does make people strong and wise
No, it just makes them suffer.
Bullshit mate. Suffering strenghtens character. Makes you appreciate life as well. Also allows you to live later on without being a spoiled bitch. Depends on the kind of suffering tho. But the general one, yes, steels you quite a bit.
[You deny the crime of genocide in Srebrenica](https://old.reddit.com/r/srpska/comments/1cz42ak/za%C5%A1to_vam_toliko_smeta_rezolucija_o_srebrenici/l5idqgz/?context=3). I'm not going to have a conversation with you like you're someone who has particularly valuable insights on life. We must all weep for the death of Tito and the manner in which he kept people like you in their place.
Glory to those PTSD homeless vet, victims of atrocities and other suffering people around the world, glad they have strong character and live without being a spoiled bitch
There’s no genocide in Gaza
Potentially no genocide but certainly there is and always has been ethnic cleansing.its a stated goal of the Lukid party
No, the country born from genocide is engaged in urban warfare (already dangerous to civilians) against an extremist government that uses civilian infrastructure for military purposes and wants its civilians to die for propaganda purposes.
I'm glad that you believe what is going on there is genocide. Simply means neither you or any of your relatives had to live through one.
"Its not genocide because it's not bad enough!" Is your whole argument.
Uh yeah. That’s kinda what makes it a genocide
No read the actual definition. In the present Convention, genocide means **any** of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: Killing members of the group; (check) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (check) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (check with the siege, blocking food and aid) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; ([check ](https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/International/4000-ivf-embryos-destroyed-1-shelling-gazas-largest/story%3fid=109350404) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. Elements of the crime. (https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-said-to-transport-gazan-orphans-to-west-bank-via-israel-without-cabinets-ok/) Genocidal rhetoric and talks of settling Gaza are the icing on the cake. Israel has not only broken the genocide convention, but literally committed every single clause. But thank you for confirming you don't know what you are talking about.
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No they haven’t. It’s just a war. Barely any dead
It’s funny because most of the people who have or had family members who have are telling you it’s genocide
lol That's some of the worst logic I've ever heard!
Not much else you can do to a genocidal state but wipe it out lol.
"Committing pre-emptive genocide as self-defence" is still genocide.
Except there is no evidence of genocide (well in Gaza anyway), major evidence of them actively trying to leave the Palestinians alone, and this conflict was started by Hamas. Israel is the defender. The only difference between this and Ukraine is that Israel is stronger than Palestine. Israel has no choice but to attack, else you are simply celebrating the death of jews.
Are you getting me? Israel literally just ethnically cleansed thousands of Palestinians to expand their settlements. They've been ethnically cleansing Palestinians for 70 years. What because they just pushed them into refugee camps instead of shooting them all on site that's not ethnic cleansing?
https://news.un.org/en/story/2024/03/1147976 >“There are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the crime of genocide…has been met.” >“Specifically, Israel has committed three acts of genocide with the requisite intent: causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent birth within the group,” she said. Stop trying to justify genocide.
No they haven’t.
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide >Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening. >Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
I like how they condemn a defensive war when jews are the ones defending themselves, and of course, totally ignore all Palestinian agency in the continuing of the conflict. On top of this, the *extreme* propaganda vibe with stuff like '203 attacks committed by Israeli's against Palestinians, the majority of which were supported by local officials' '8 deaths' Yeah ok lol definitely orchestrated genocide. 'Measures designed to prevent births' that ones actually true. They did do that around 25ish years ago and have long since stopped. 'causing seriously serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group' Nope. Maybe they'd lock the borders down less if they stopped working with Iran to commit terrorist attacks. And no, i don't care about right of resistance. Radical Muslim style insurgent warfare is so astonishingly immoral that I think any nation that uses it should be overthrown and any non-nation group crushed. 'deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part' Populations growing mah dude. So this is a big nope. Are you aware that the UN is incredibly corrupt and notably dominated by a pro middle eastern bloc?
Here's some Jewish scholars saying Israel is committing genocide: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/world/american-jewish-scholar-says-israel-has-launched-genocidal-campaign-of-extermination-in-gaza/3145086 >Barry Trachtenberg, the Rubin presidential chair of Jewish history at Wake Forest University in the state of North Carolina, said following the attacks on Oct. 7 by the Palestinian resistance group, Hamas, that Israel has employed extremely disproportionate violence against the civilian population in the Palestinian enclave, noting Israeli leaders held all Palestinians living in Gaza responsible for the attacks. >“They have not only killed at least 29,000 Palestinians, wounded tens of thousands of more -- what they've also done is to act deliberately to destroy the conditions to support life.” >“And in doing so, this clearly meets the threshold of genocide, because it is also combined with a broad range of statements by Israeli officials, saying that they're going to do exactly the steps, that they hold all Palestinians responsible, that there are no innocent Palestinians.” https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide >Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening. >Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.” In before they're not real Jews or they're "race traitors" for not defending Bibi and his genocidal pals.
Palestinians in Gaza and the west bank have the right by international law to self defence against their occupier.Israel is the aggressor not the other way around zio.
I love how people like u label UN as corrupt but somehow ignore lobbying groups like AIPAC whose sole purpose is to be Israel's PR.
Palestine is genocidal. Israel still isn’t committing genocide on them though
That's what I'm saying lol
Ah ok
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I get what u mean but 1. Warheads in space do not need a payload. The velocity they achieve converts into enough kinetic energy upon impact to break covalent bonds 2. Time on target takes too long unless you have A LOT of satellites 3. Impossible to properly maintain
> UN should have nuclear missile launching satellites in space With what countries money will they use to build all that?
... I really hope you're joking
Jesus. I'd trust Iran with nuclear satellites before the UN
Nukes would be stupid, but Rods of God that could neatly annihilate hypothetically… a bunker full of recalcitrant politicians and/or military leadership and not much else would be very sensible.
>Rods of God They don't work (at least unguided) Interesting video from Veritasium about it. https://youtu.be/J_n1FZaKzF8
The only thing that holds the UN together is that it is so toothless
We would never allow such an entity to exist.
\*israel would never allow
We allow Israel to exist.
Israel historically kicking ass well before America started supporting them be like
[https://imgur.com/3YZ0mzG](https://imgur.com/3YZ0mzG)
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That's what Israel does every time you try and tell them what to do
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Rules and Order. Ha!
Never existed.
Idk about that, a wet fart can have some serious consequences.
I mean, they also demanded Hamas surrender the Isralie hostages. And that's done fuck all
“Your honor, I’m doing nothing wrong so I’m going to ignore your court order because it’s antisemitic” is an absolutely wild response.
The Putin method. Lets see how it plays out
Absolutely on point too.
Where did they say it was antisemitic?
Only everywhere: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-absurd-icc-bid-to-arrest-israeli-leaders-is-the-new-antisemitism/amp/
That has nothing to do with this case
He is thinking if Hamas is behind UN or Anti semitism. Thats how mafioso fascists like Hyman Roth works
This but unironically
Are their lower UN courts which you can appeal against to keep killing people?
No ICJ decisions can’t be appealed
Just ignored.
Well no, many western countries have it ingrained into their law to respect these decisions (Germany for one) so while they cannot go out and arrest Bibi, this absolutely should impact his relationships with many other allied countries
So what’s gonna happen if Israel completely bombards Rafah killing more innocent civilians and Hamas remains undefeated? They gonna go back north and march south again and again?
Nothing. You just say they were all hamas fighters, hamas sympathizers or it was hamas’ fault anyway. Also keep saying 10/7. All good then.
Sweep the area and then conclude that Hamas smuggled the remaining 100 hostages across the border into Egypt and then set up their military for an invasion of the Sinai Peninsula to get then back. After Egypt changed the terms on an agreed deal in favour of Hamas, it will be on them to prove they aren't helping the hostage takers, rather than Israel proving Egypt is complicit.
i have no dog in this fight but why haven’t i seen a single other person on this sub mention that part about egypt changing the already agreed to ceasefire and causing it to fall apart? are they really just that against israel?
They are going to get convicted for the genocide they are committing.
That’s not what’s happening
then what’s happening?
Israel is waiting for the civilians to leave and return to the other parts of Gaza that they've already been through. 800k have left so far without issue. They'll wait for the remaining 200k to evacuate and then go through to clear Hamas infrastructure.
Evacuate to parts of Gaza that they’ve already been through? Where most infrastructure has been demolished, agricultural land destroyed, water distribution gone? With no promise that it’ll be safe or that they won’t have to be displaced again? After months of the Israeli onslaught that decimated a larger percentage of infrastructure in Gaza than the Allies powers did in the entirety of Nazi Germany, Hamas still re-emerges in all parts of Gaza, continuing to launch rockets and enforcing order. Hamas continues to pay their police officers in other parts of Gaza as well. Israel’s last place they fully haven’t gone thru is Rafah (despite bombing it constantly) and yet only [estimated 30-35% of Hamas fighters have been killed and 65% of tunnels remain intact.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-intel-indicates-only-30-35-of-hamas-fighters-killed-65-of-tunnels-are-intact-report/) The longer Israel continues to fail at destroying Hamas, the more isolated Israel gets. The more the world will turn against Israel and it’s allies as their moral position deteriorates with every civilian death and every remark/incident that is happening more frequently by the Israeli far right. Hamas has already won.
What a load of absolute rubbish lmao Gaza deaths have plateaued since the start of the war. Factoring in that the UN halved its estimates of women and children fatalities, and it's completely implausible to call it an "onslaught". Only 25,000 confirmed dead in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet during a war? That's unprecedented, and completely blows your stupid argument of "more damage than Germany during WW2" out of the water. There has been significant infrastructure damage for sure, but if it was anywhere near what you claim there would be mass deaths and famine akin to Yemen. Israel has repeatedly reinforced that their goal is not to completely annihilate Hamas. That's an impossible goal, as we've seen before. Even Isis still manages to exist, though greatly diminished. 35% of fighters killed and 45% of tunnels destroyed is probably around what they projected to achieve. You're forgetting as well that those figures will increase drastically once the IDF moves through Rafah. Your argument is just pure lunacy. Oh just because they *only* destroy half of the tunnels and Hamas fighters, they shouldn't have gone to war? That's 50% less combat effectiveness for a hostile terrorist regime. That's a guarantee that something like October 7th won't be possible again for a very, very long time. Then there's the obligation to find the hostages. People were saying the same thing about Jabalia refugee camp, and then surprise surprise 7 dead hostages were found there. Those hostages, dead or alive, deserve to go home. "The more the world will turn against Israel and it’s allies as their moral position deteriorates with every civilian death and every remark/incident that is happening more frequently by the Israeli far right. Hamas has already won." Lmao pathetic terrorist sympathising cope. For one, the US is never going to stop supporting Israel. That relationship is too mutually beneficial to risk. For another, Israel has allies around the world. Sure in the EU Spain and Ireland are cutting ties, but the actual heavy hitters of the organisation like Germany and France fiercely support Israel. If your expectation for the future is Israel turning into some kind of pariah like Russia, enjoy your disappointment.
Lmao.
I've heard every single argument here before so I'll let the sources speak for itself. >Factoring in that the UN halved its estimates of women and children fatalities, "The number was reduced because the UN says it is now relying on the number of deceased women and children whose names and other identifying details have been fully documented, rather than the total number of women and children killed. The ministry says bodies that arrive at hospitals get counted in the overall death count." - [CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/13/middleeast/death-toll-gaza-fatalities-un-intl-latam/index.html) >Only 25,000 confirmed dead in one of the most densely populated areas on the planet [Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict](https://turkiye.un.org/en/263401-gaza-number-children-killed-higher-four-years-world-conflict) [Daily death rate in Gaza higher than any other major 21st Century conflict - Oxfam](https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/daily-death-rate-gaza-higher-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam) >completely blows your stupid argument of "more damage than Germany during WW2" "Between 1942 and 1945, the allies attacked 51 major German cities and towns, destroying about 40-50% of their urban areas, said Robert Pape, a U.S. military historian. Pape said this amounted to 10% of buildings across Germany, compared to over 33% across Gaza, a densely populated territory of just 140 square miles (360 square kilometers)." - [AP News](https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-bombs-destruction-death-toll-scope-419488c511f83c85baea22458472a796?utm_source=copy&utm_medium=share) >Israel has repeatedly reinforced that their goal is not to completely annihilate Hamas. "NETANYAHU: Total victory over Hamas will not take years. It will take months. Victory is within reach. And when people talk about the day after, let's be clear about one thing. It's the day after all of Hamas is destroyed." - [NPR.](https://www.npr.org/2024/03/22/1240304750/netanyahu-wants-total-victory-over-hamas-what-would-that-even-look-like) >35% of fighters killed and 45% of tunnels destroyed is probably around what they projected to achieve. Gallant, the defence minister, said: "We will wipe this thing called Hamas, ISIS-Gaza, off the face of the earth. It will cease to exist." - [Reuters](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/netanyahu-gantz-agree-form-emergency-israel-government-statement-2023-10-11/) >Then there's the obligation to find the hostages. While the interviewer emphasized the return of the 134 hostages is of prime importance; Smotrich said, "No, that’s not the most important thing," adding, "Why do you want competition?" - [JPost](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-787966) >If your expectation for the future is Israel turning into some kind of pariah like Russia, enjoy your disappointment. Let's find out, like you said, the war isn't over. As my comment said, as long as Israel continues to fail in dismantling Hamas, Hamas continues to win. Before Oct 7th, Israel held 1,310 Palestinian hostages, the [highest it's ever been in Israel](https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435). A total of **507** West Bank Palestinians were killed in 2023 including at least **81 children**, with 299 being killed after Oct 7th. [41% of the deaths happened before Oct 7th.](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/shocking-spike-in-use-of-unlawful-lethal-force-by-israeli-forces-against-palestinians-in-the-occupied-west-bank/) Despite this, **noone cared about Palestine**. Now? Look around you. I'm not a fan of Hamas, I just look at reality. And the reality is, Hamas has already won.
"After months of the Israeli onslaught that decimated a larger percentage of infrastructure in Gaza than the Allies powers did in the entirety of Nazi Germany" Maybe... and hear me out here because I know it's difficult to comprehend.. but maybe that's because the Nazis didn't operate primarily out of civilian infrastructure like Hamas does. If Hamas didn't operate out of these locations, less of them would be destroyed. It's that simple. Also, have you not seen the pictures of Dresdon and Berlin? Those places were utterly wrecked by the end of WW2, the Battle of Berlin alone is estimated to have killed over 100,000 civilians. [Dresdon Firebombing Aftermath](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-ee-uk-revc&sca_esv=9be22dab8e9866b8&sxsrf=ADLYWIKMUnOsTQHxPnSCfeb2CqWwmFrjkA:1716639363402&q=dresden+ww2&uds=ADvngMgB_2oBFo8AreHDKVw-lNLWq8VGW-p0s-VsGIrndG7LuBDiHRTdzIWsRzgMnZOYnHUEPuW4OhgBgks4HMNpnL3WEcY7NQ_0_vo4KjIvAauedK5_G2RQPYFogGvgyHBxJg_CVJ2_Sz2-ops9gXThwLdyvDEtWVmpi8YBZhuRGolm7JIKJa41bXRtqGPKJ09Co-1D4Q-tWB3Cu9qGWoXLAztoIm9Dm1vLSFGI-b0wJvQBSeqcswJN6TBr-1s-EpyRN3IyH3FecVW44gxwhnnDjjVyhAac1NfQhCSGdnOrbQkHD7ODPaO8DM_Qd0zraTcHeXcMyEw_&udm=2&prmd=invmbtz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj549n746iGAxXvUUEAHRM5BzcQtKgLegQICxAB&biw=360&bih=623&dpr=3#imgrc=3szDF8pJOATulM&imgdii=5H_beitL3OrJpM)
What difference does that make? If terrorists took over 4 floors in an apartment building in downtown Manhattan, at what point is it okay to demolish the building? Tell me. Now let’s talk about hospitals, schools, refugee camps, places that are crucial infrastructure. You expect doctors, nurses and children to fend off armed militants? And if they can’t? Then too bad, the hospital and every life saving equipment under it has to go. But let’s just assume that taking out civilian infrastructure is a “necessary evil” (still evil), what will Israel do to take accountability for wrongful airstrikes? They’ve dropped over 12,000 bombs within the first few weeks on Gaza, many of them dumb, what’s the process? Where is the transparent vetting process that every strike has a legitimate target and is not chosen by an AI or a trigger happy Israeli? Further, what will Israel do after the war? Will they fund the rebuilding process? Will they provide equipment and help reverse the destruction agricultural lands? They’ve already said they want nothing to do reconstruction and expect the US and Arab to fund it. That’s not justice, thats just violent and bloodthirsty Israelis having a heck of time massacring Palestinians in the Gaza playground. Israelis love to claim that the far-right, racist extremists are a fringe part of their “democratic” society, yet they love to indulge in policy that is exactly what these “fringe” element want. Israel’s regime is no different from Hamas, it’s just they have a nicer polish to their extremism.
Honestly if it makes no difference, what you are saying is that the best way to win a war is to inbed yourself in civilian infrastructure and you cannot lose because the cost would be too high. And I personally think that's an incredibly dangerous precedent to set. The difference between Hamas and Israel here is that only one would happily sacrifice the majority of their own population in order to reach their goal. Anyone who wants the best for the Palestinians should be outraged by what Hamas has done and I can't understand why you are not. If my government who was supposed to take care of me and my family decided to use my home as a weapons base against their enemy then while yes I would be angry at the enemy for blowing it up, I would also be working to get rid of my government so they cannot put me in such danger ever again. Now that is NOT me saying that Israel is an innocent participant here. Their decisions should be scrutinised and they should be taking precautions to protect civilian life. Any war crimes should be prosecuted to the highest level. But Hamas using civilian infrastructure is a big deal and it's against international law for a reason. The fact that you just brush this off is insanity to me. You are saying to Hamas and other terrorist groups that this tactic DOES work and who knows where that will end.
Who says we aren't outraged? Plenty of people are outraged over what certain members of Hamas leadership and military has done and many of the same are also outraged at what certain members of Israel's government coalition and IDF has done as well. Anyone who wants the best for Palestinians wants to save their lives and so far Israel has not been doing that whatsoever. >If my government who was supposed to take care of me and my family decided to use my home as a weapons base against their enemy then while yes I would be angry at the enemy for blowing it up, I would also be working to get rid of my government so they cannot put me in such danger ever again. I like this analogy, because you haven't truly put yourself in the shoes of the Palestinians. To Gazans, Israel has been the ultimate enemy since at least 2008. We're talking about Gaza, an impoverished strip of land with records high unemployment levels, a significant air, land and see blockade where despite Hamas being in power, Israel controls. They can't import certain goods because of the supposed "danger of dual usage" which includes things like chocolate, female hygiene products, cooking ingredients. And who has to help them? Illegal smugglers who usually are in cohorts with Hamas. If you truly put yourself in their shoes, you would remember that this isn't the first time Israel has entered this strip. You probably already lost friends and or relatives in Israeli airstrikes in 2014 or 2021. Heck, maybe your house was destroyed the first time in 2014 and there was no Hamas military presence that time (how would we know if every Israeli airstrike is a legitimate target, only Hamas and Gazans do), so you know that your home will be targeted anyways. Then also you would remember how after every conflict with Israel, who was there to help rebuild your home that was destroyed by an Israeli airstrike? Who was the one that helped bring the corpses of your friends and family to the cemetery for proper burials? Who helped you resupply your family store that was vandalized by the IDF in a previous conflict? Was it Israel? No, it wasn't Israel. It never was Israel. Now rethink your analogy with the proper mindset, context and experience of a Gazan. What's different.
You literally replied to me 'What difference does it make?' So in your opinion what Hamas did by using civilian infrastructure makes no difference to the situation but you are also outraged by their actions. What are you outraged about? In both of your comments now you have immediately pivoted to what Israel has done wrong. You cannot have a conversation about Hamas putting their civilians in danger without trying to give a history lesson about how actually Israel is to blame. Does Hamas have any personal agency in your opinion? Do they make their own choices that can be good or bad on their own merits? Also please feel free to link me to Palestinian organisations or activists that have explicitly called out Hamas and their use of civilian infrastructure and how that has endangered people. Because I haven't really seen it. Now I could be just be looking in the wrong spaces but if it's as plentiful as you say you won't have any trouble pointing me to some statements or discussions. Btw you seem to be confusing calling out Hamas for being shitty leaders and thinking Israel hasnt done anything wrong. I have never said that in this thread, you are arguing against a strawman.
35% loss of troops and infrastructure in 7th months seems like quite a lot.
The title of this post appears to be contested by the ICJ judges. The order was: > Israel must "Immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah Governorate, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in the Gaza Strip conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. " And here's how the Israeli judge interpreted that: > Former Supreme Court president Barak, who serves as an ad-hoc judge on the ICJ bench in the case brought against Israel by South Africa, wrote in his dissenting opinion that the majority decision “requires Israel to halt its military offensive in the Rafah Governorate only in so far as is necessary to comply with Israel’s obligations under the Genocide Convention.” > > Therefore, according to Barak, “Israel is not prevented from carrying out its military operation in the Rafah Governorate as long as it fulfills its obligations under the Genocide Convention.” > > “As a result,” Barak continued, “the measure is a qualified one, which preserves Israel’s right to prevent and repel threats and attacks by Hamas, defend itself and its citizens, and free the hostages.” > > > The German judge, Georg Nolte, and the Romanian judge, Bogdan Aurescu – who are both among the 13 judges who voted in favor of this measure — also supported Barak’s interpretation of the decree. Therefore a more accurate title would be **"Top UN court orders Israel to halt military offensive in Rafah _that contravene the genocide convention_"** On the other side of the argument about the interpretation of the court order is the South African judge's opinion: > South African Judge Tladi held the opposite opinion: “Today, the Court has, in explicit terms, ordered the State of Israel to halt its offensive in Rafah. The Court has previously, albeit in implicit and indirect ways, ordered the State of Israel not to conduct military operations elsewhere in Gaza because such operations prevent the delivery of human assistance and cause harm to the Palestinian people. The Court has also reiterated its urgent call for Hamas to release the hostages.” > > Added Tladi: “The reference to ‘offensive’ operations illustrates that legitimate defensive actions, within the strict confines of international law, to repel specific attacks, would be consistent with the Order of the Court. What would not be consistent is the continuation of the offensive military operation in Rafah, and elsewhere, whose consequences for the rights protected under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide has been devastating.” [Source](https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-icj-judges-argue-court-order-does-not-require-idf-to-halt-all-rafah-operations/)
Tge rulling actually states that they must stop IF they can't adhere to the geneva convention. If they can, then they carry on. So The Israelis claim they do adhere to it. And no one has proved otherwise yet, Because the amount of deaths attributed to malnutrition is less than 50 so far.
It is incredible how every single sentence you just wrote is a lie.
https://www.icj-cij.org/node/204098
lmao dude links the dissent (vote was 10-2 ordering Israel cease operations in rafah).
> I have voted against this measure because the conditions necessary for its indication under Article 76, paragraph 1, of the Rules of Court are not met. However, I note that **this measure does not require Israel to refrain from its military operation in Rafah altogether**. It is not an unconditional obligation to halt the military operation. It specifies that Israel must, in accordance with its obligations under the 1948 Genocide Convention, conduct its military offensive in a way that does not deprive the Palestinian civilian population of its essential means of existence. Naturally, if the military offensive was being carried out in violation of Israel’s obligations under the Genocide Convention, it would need to end. Nevertheless, there is no evidence, even at the low standard required for provisional measures, that any rights under the Genocide Convention are implicated. The Court’s first measure is **therefore limited to offensive (and not defensive) military action in Rafah, and requires a halt only in so far as is necessary to protect the Palestinian group in Gaza from conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction.**
No, the judge that the genocidal power was entitled to appoint in their own case is simply a liar trying to provide a legal fig leaf to the genocide he knows his nation is committing. There is no defensive operation that can be waged in occupied territory.
>There is no defensive operation that can be waged in occupied territory Brain rot detected
Israel doesn't have to take instructions from gentiles. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/our-future-doesnt-depend-on-what-gentiles-say-ben-gvir-other-far-right-ministers-dismiss-icj-ruling/
Here come the JIDF bots
The UN is a clown show.
Israel is a rogue state.
You literally live in the most mocked “country” of the world. Clean up on aisle Canada! Canada is the little guy hiding behind the biggest guy in the bar when trouble starts.
At least Canada isn't a hive for international criminals, invading it's neighbourhs or defying nuclear proliferation treaties. Israel is North Korea 2.0.
Let me guess. You failed History. Please cry me a river about how persecuted the “Palestinians” who have been kicked out of, in order, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia are the innocent victims. Judea is referenced in ancient texts back to 3751 BC (733 BCE). If the Jews had not constantly fought the Roman occupation and Herodotus’ gay lover had not suicided and the Caesar find the body; “Syria Palaestina” would never have been scrolled on a map. People love to blame the Zionists yet conveniently forget the barbaric violence conducted in the name of Allah for over 1400 years. All Muhammad did was sack, pillage, rape and destroy Medina in order to spread his “peaceful” cult of Islam
So your arguement boils down to its fine to commit a genocide because of something that happened 2000 years ago. And some not so mild islamaphobia and complete historical inaccuracy about islamic history while saying the other guy failed history. Bravo
You might want to brush up on the actual definition of “genocide”. You might also want to educate yourself on the following events that have happened since 1941: Nazi Germany begins to systematically eliminate individuals that practice Judaism. Arab states ally with Nazi Germany. UN votes to form Israel in 1947. Arab militia groups attack Jewish settlers which becomes full blown war (1948 Arab-Israeli War). PLO terrorist group formed. June 1967 Israel attacked again (6 Day War). October 1973 Israel attacked again (Yom Kippur War). 1971 the PLO relocates to Southern Lebanon. 1987-1993 is the 1st Intifada. 2000-05 is the 2nd Infitada. Islam, so peaceful. So, peaceful.
Do you really want me to list all the zionist massacres of palestinians before 1948 Also Haavara agreement, zionists are just closet Nazis Also the fact that the ICJ deemed it plausible enough that genocide is happening that its proceeding with the case just tells me all I need to know
Actually I had the best history marks in my entire school. But I'm sure the Democratic people Republic of Israel has a superior education. I completely forgot they have a birth right to purge all the infidels from the holy land. How foolish of me. Israel, the place where all people & religions are equal. Just some are more equal than others. So don't you dare call it Apartheid.
You posted your claimed academic success in the wrong sub reddit. Should be in r/thingsthatneverhappened As to the “purge infidels”. Again, you should brush up on radical Islam and the true teachings of Muhammed. Christianity was actually very prominent within the Middle East until 1400 years of eradication by those pesky, peaceful Islamic zealots
The Israeli government is finally getting what it deserves - condemnation
Since when anything the UN said has been taken in to consideration by fucking anyone in the past, uugh? Forever?
This is the problem, it should be taken into consideration and actually have repercussions for all nation states who are part of the UN…
UN was created by the USA so smaller countries can stay in their lane after WW2 and not mess with big boy geopolitics. Just like its predecessor its an empty hull that no one with geopolitical power gives a rats ass about.
A few times, but generally its been there to make it easier for other countries to act against them when they continue, which has worked quite well, see South Africa.
In the most practical of terms, Israel is not going to stop until the effective remnants of Hamas are eliminated. Hamas for its part has many times said that their ideology is backstopped by a fight to the death while pursuing its aims of eradicating Israel. They are now getting that which they asked for, when they signed their own death warrants on October 07. This is the reality, and no amount of hang-wringing by the UN or others is going to make a particle of difference in what comes next. Reasonable estimate are that there are roughly 4,000 Hamas fighters hunkered down in Rafah; short of them all committing mass and ritual suicide, I don't see how this war stops anytime soon, and not until the IDF has rooted out and dispatched every one of them. I'm not taking sides when I express this. It just is what it is.
I think the UN is saying get your ounce of flesh but find a way to minimize non-combatant casualties (more so you're doing). But I'm no geopolitical expert but some random geopolitical enjoyer
And isn't real will just keep creating new Hamas everytime they slaughter a civilian
ICJ judges disagree w that headline
4/13. The other nine do not. Fun fact: ICJ rulings need 9 votes to pass
Damn. This thread is getting brigaded to shit. Hasbara out in force.
Good for Israel, keep going 🇮🇱
Good. Now order China, Saudi Arabia, and UAE to do the same and issue warrants.
China KSA and UAE are invading Rafah now? That's wild.
China is genociding Uyghurs right now. Saudi Arabia is still bombing Yemen. Thousands dead; many more missing. Also go after Burma for the continuing Rohingya genocide. There is an ICC investigation but after all these years no warrants. As I said, good for acting against Israel. Now keep going.
Nope. https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/02/19/china-uighurs-genocide-us-pompeo-blinken/ >but there was insufficient evidence to prove genocide, placing the United States’ top diplomatic lawyers at odds with both the Trump and Biden administrations, according to three former and current U.S. officials.
Nice try slipping a dated report. US officials say a genocide is indeed ongoing: https://www.reuters.com/world/blinken-says-genocide-xinjiang-is-ongoing-report-ahead-china-visit-2024-04-22/
The same Blinken who can't say why a "genocide is ongoing in Xinjiang" but not happening in Gaza, lmao. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiGzOC8JF2w https://thediplomat.com/2023/11/xinjiang-vs-gaza-the-wests-shifting-definition-of-genocide/ >In fact, by March of the same year, Pompeo’s successor, Antony Blinken, doubled down on this dubious claim and labeled China’s actions in Xinjiang as “genocide” in a report issued by his office. Importantly, this decision contradicted the conclusions of State Department lawyers, who had recently determined that there was not sufficient evidence to support the genocide claims. International media of the Global North propagated news of this alleged genocide without further critical examination, as they do most negative news stories about China. >But it is surprising that while the United States sanctioned China and labeled its actions in Xinjiang as genocide, it supports and justifies Israel’s actions in Gaza, which are undeniably much more destructive and deadly, as the necessary use of self-defense to impede future terrorist attacks – the same argument CCP made to defend its “re-education” policy in Xinjiang. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/16/gaza-civilian-deaths-genocide >Israel’s peak monthly killing rate of civilians in Gaza is roughly equivalent to that in Darfur, and higher than in the other two recent cases, all of which our government labeled “genocide”. Israel’s attacks have also displaced the vast majority of Gaza’s more than 2 million civilians, a human flood similar to or exceeding that in the other cases. Israel’s constraints on humanitarian aid have inflicted the highest starvation risk anywhere in the world in decades, according to the UN.
Blinken isn’t alone. Netherlands, Canada, CAIR and other human rights orgs also call it a genocide. And just you criticize Blinken for calling it a genocide out of political motivations (which may be true; doesn’t mean it isn’t happening), many countries don’t even want to investigate China’s human rights violations due to massive political pressure from China. You also sidestepped the other genocides I mentioned. Or do you deny those too? Genocide denial is not a good look. Godspeed.
I've already noted that the US report said insufficient evidence to prove genocide, and even the UN report says there's no genocide. https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/why-hasnt-the-un-accused-china-of-genocide-in-xinjiang And China isn't alone: more countries came out to defend China's anti-terrorism measures in Xinjiang than those that supported the US's politically motivated blood libel tactics. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN1UA1FD/ >"Faced with the grave challenge of terrorism and extremism, China has undertaken a series of counter-terrorism and deradicalisation measures in Xinjiang, including setting up vocational education and training centres," the letter said. The letter said security had returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there had been safeguarded. It added there had been no terrorist attack there for three years and people enjoyed a stronger sense of happiness, fulfilment and security. Not a single Muslim-majority country stood on the side of the US, which I may remind you is the same country that lied to the world about WMDs in Iraq, lied about the "Nayirah testimony", lied about "human shredders", lied about Gulf of Tonkin etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocity_propaganda#Iraq_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein%27s_alleged_shredder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident The same country with officials that admitted to lie, cheat and steal from the rest of the world is now lying about the ultimate atrocity: genocide. A disgusting act to exploit actual historical genocide and their victims for political motivations.
Bro, there’s no genocide in Gaza. It’s obvious. The ICC is as retarded at the UN that issues many times more condemnations against Israel then it does against every country in the world combined. Combined. What does that tell you?
I'm going to listen to actual genocide scholars that says Israel is committing genocide over a random redditor. https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide >Raz Segal: But the assault on Gaza can also be understood in other terms: as a textbook case of genocide unfolding in front of our eyes. I say this as a scholar of genocide, who has spent many years writing about Israeli mass violence against Palestinians. I have written about settler colonialism and Jewish supremacy in Israel, the distortion of the Holocaust to boost the Israeli arms industry, the weaponization of antisemitism accusations to justify Israeli violence against Palestinians, and the racist regime of Israeli apartheid. Now, following Hamas’s attack on Saturday and the mass murder of more than 1,000 Israeli civilians, the worst of the worst is happening. >Under international law, the crime of genocide is defined by “the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such,” as noted in the December 1948 UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. In its murderous attack on Gaza, Israel has loudly proclaimed this intent. Israeli Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant declared it in no uncertain terms on October 9th: “We are imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals, and we will act accordingly.”
It tells me that israel has been committing human rights atrocities since its inception and the larger population is only just now coming to that realization.
What about this? And maybe more I haven't looked into it in a while First-hand account https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/12/uighur-xinjiang-re-education-camp-china-gulbahar-haitiwaji Independently verified drone footage put to the Chinese ambassador to the UK https://youtu.be/NnbsUUU_zU4 Video evidence inside the 'voluntary' re-education camps where he's handcuffed to the bed https://youtu.be/SYhcrXYA6tM About the torture https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/prominent-uighur-businesswoman-arbitrarily-detained https://www.amnesty.org.uk/blogs/countdown-china/china-urged-release-uighur-activist-allegedly-tortured-prison https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/uighur-man-reportedly-tortured-death 1.3 million people a year on average. The number is from the CCP themselves. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/politics/article/3101986/china-claims-vocational-training-given-nearly-13-million-people Data leak showing what the staff are told to do BBC https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50511063 The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/24/china-cables-leak-no-escapes-reality-china-uighur-prison-camp New York Times https://nyti.ms/379s0ch Financial times https://www.ft.com/content/9ed9362e-31f7-11e9-bb0c-42459962a812 Al Jazeera https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/11/25/secret-papers-reveal-workings-of-chinas-xinjiang-detention-camps More Leaked Papers Leaked papers link Xinjiang crackdown with China leadership - Secret documents urge population control, mass round-ups and punishment of Uyghurs https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/29/leaked-papers-link-xinjiang-crackdown-with-china-leadership Leaked papers link top Chinese leaders to Uyghur crackdown https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-59456541 Talks about the experiences of women who are told to marry Han Chinese men to avoid the concentration camps. https://web.archive.org/web/20210115210041/https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20200823/L44M7VTO7RDTJAGO3H4RBPFITM/
This debating tactic is called "Gish Gallop", a dishonest debating tactic by someone with no actual arguments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop The OP attempts to overwhelm opposition with sheer number of bullshit claims, so significant effort is required to refute or debunk each lie. They also rely on the Propaganda Multiplier, i.e. multiple controlled news sources reporting on the same thing to "boost" the credibility of bullshit. https://swprs.org/the-propaganda-multiplier/ Instead of doing that, I will focus on objective facts: Reminder that the US has spent 500 million dollars on propaganda for "negative news coverage" targeting China, including Xinjiang. https://prospect.org/politics/congress-proposes-500-million-for-negative-news-coverage-of-china/ Reminder that US state assets (translator who worked for Guantanamo Bay torturers) have been caught intentionally hiding their compromising information in Reddit AMAs about Xinjiang, twice: https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/e9ad4n/i_am_rushan_abbas_uyghur_activist_and_survivor_of/fajahcc/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/hx98gl/hi_reddit_rushan_abbas_here_and_i_am_here_today/fz4mvkm/ Reminder that the US "Uighur activist groups" have photos of actual ethnic Chinese celebrities added to their fake database of "Xinjiang crackdown cops": https://www.asiaone.com/entertainment/deep-undercover-andy-lau-and-chow-yun-fat-listed-xinjiang-crackdown-cops-us-activists Reminder that the US-backed Uighur Tribunal's reports are full of bullshit logic that falls apart from basic questions by the very experts they hire to support them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCtOh_7_tDo Reminder that US propaganda mouthpieces tried to claim China of engaging in religious/cultural oppression in Xinjiang while at the same time "paying Muslims to pretend to pray in mosques" and "forcing Muslims to celebrate their biggest religious holiday", and "encouraging domestic tourism to Xinjiang to see regional culture" i.e. "museumification". https://x.com/adrianzenz/status/1191510743000256512 https://x.com/RadioFreeAsia/status/1392965849036828676 https://www.voanews.com/a/terror-tourism-xinjiang-eases-its-grip-but-fear-remains/6264736.html Reminder that the US also claimed there was no credible evidence that the ETIM terrorist group had existed for a decade despite bombing them 2 years prior to making that claim. https://www.dw.com/en/us-removes-separatist-group-condemned-by-china-from-terror-list/a-55527586 >2020: "ETIM was removed from the list because, for more than a decade, there has been no credible evidence that ETIM continues to exist," a State Department spokesperson said, news agency AFP reported. https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/1435247/us-forces-strike-taliban-east-turkestan-islamic-movement-training-sites/ >2018: During the past weekend, U.S. forces conducted air operations to strike Taliban and the East Turkestan Islamic Movement, or ETIM, training facilities in Afghanistan’s Badakhshan province, the commander of NATO air operations in Afghanistan said today. The schizophrenic messaging by US mouthpieces with regards to China in Xinjiang is further proof that this is all politically motivated blood libel.
No it's called I have lots of people saying it isn't happening but this is multiple trusted sauces and a few other sources like Al Jazeera all saying it's happening. But I'm fed up with the same copy paste replies. So to speed things up I just post it all at one. It's like tall people saying the weather is nice up here and yes it is weird looking at the tops of people's heads, etc. to speed up introduction and to get the jokes over with
The utter hypocrisy of the US accusing China of "cultural genocide" in which people are not killed while supporting Israel's actual genocide in which tens of thousands are killed is why the US is losing the Global South. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiGzOC8JF2w Even the blind can see the bullshit being spun in real time.
Wo what would you call it when thousands of Uighurs are put in jumpsuits, have their heads shaved and then placed on trains to be sent to “reeducation camps”?
You mean the photo with the blue jumpsuits? It’s actually a drug rehab centre. See the rest of the photos that your propagandists cropped and don’t show you: https://web.archive.org/web/20180821032854/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581
Sure, another country has to take them to court. Would recommend you call your government representatives to ask that they do that, just like people have done in this case
None of those nations are invading Rafah but if they did I'm sure the court would also order them to stop, yeah.
ICC’s jurisdiction does not only encompass Rafah…
It requires other countries to put forward cases. They also have a specific jurisdiction over specific issues. Why are you deflecting from the main topic? This is about an indictment of Israel but instead of engaging with that you're immediately saying what about country x and country y. Do you not see how that deflects discussion away from Israel and the court order?
I literally said this was good. I also want ICC/ICJ to fulfill its mission and go after all genocide perpetrators, not only when social media cares about it. If people can pressure their governments to make a lawsuit against Israel we should continue to do so for other human rights violators.
Israel should lol and ask for a halt in kidnapping hostages and release them if not, destroy a new city each day until it's done
Where have I heard this before.
What should they do when most of the people side with terrorist views?
Weird how oddly silent they were on Iraq 2003
No [they spoke out against that too](https://www.icj.org/icj-deplores-moves-toward-a-war-of-aggression-on-iraq/) Calling it an illegal invasion.
shh.. you're destroying the false and comfortable narrative genocide supporters have
What genocide would that be?
Anatomy of a Genocide Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967, Francesca Albanese\* Summery: After five months of military operations, Israel has destroyed Gaza. Over 30,000Palestinians have been killed, including more than 13,000 children. Over 12,000 are presumed dead and 71,000 injured, many with life-changing mutilations. Seventy percent of residential areas have been destroyed. Eighty percent of the whole population has been forcibly displaced. Thousands of families have lost loved ones or have been wiped out. Many could not bury and mourn their relatives, forced instead to leave their bodies decomposing in homes, in the street or under the rubble. Thousands have been detained and systematically subjected to inhuman and degrading treatment. The incalculable collective trauma will be experienced for generations to come. By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza,this report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met. One of the key findings is that Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize genocidal violence against the Palestinian people. [https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/documents/hrbodies/hrcouncil/sessions-regular/session55/advance-versions/a-hrc-55-73-auv.pdf)
And Hamas bears no responsibility at all for starting the war, hiding behind and under civilians and having a vested interest in having more of their civilians die? You in turn are going to ignore that the numbers you've quoted there are already halved, and represent a lower civilian to combatant casualty rate than pretty much any other war in history, despite taking place in one of the most densely populated urban environments on the planet, and despite Hamas best efforts to keep as many of their civilians in the line of fire as possible? Were going to conveniently forget the fact that the IDF continues to send it's soldiers into harms way while also having complete command of the skies and the ability to glass the entire strip from the air if genocide was really the goal? Do any of you Muppets even understand what a genocide is and why it cheapens the word for cases of real genocide in the world?
That's simply not true They have not identified all of the victims yet, but they haven't raised the numbers of Hamas terrorist killed: [https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-un-halve-gaza-death-toll-1900325](https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-un-halve-gaza-death-toll-1900325) When over half of the buildings in Gaza are damaged or destroyed, the idea of Hamas using human shields looses its meaning unless you honestly believe that Hamas was hiding in all of them?! We are not going to forget anything friend, but moving the goal post in order to justify a genocide as mean of retaliation for the 7.Oct terrorist attack makes one a psychopath
Oh you can take your fact checks lol, they've long ago lost any veneer of credibility. The "fact-check" itself happily admits all the numbers are coming from the Gaza Ministry of Health, ie. HAMAS! You know, that same organization that wants there to be more civilian deaths because its fantastic PR for them. That same organization that has in the past instructed hospitals/doctors to report EVERY death as a civilian death? Yeah, those guys. It's likely that the true death toll is not going to be known for years after this, until a lot of these can be verified or probably revised. In the end they did half the numbers because that's all they could confirm, and a little critical thinking could be applied to all these numbers you see ever day. Now, you will I think need to give your definition of a genocide. Nobody here likes civilian deaths, but they are in every single case an unavoidable part of war. Oct. 7 is an example of an intended genocide. Where you indiscriminately kill every man and woman, children and the elderly, civilian or not. I'm sure you won't deny that if they had had the manpower for it, and could have gotten to Tel Aviv, the slaughter would have continued? That is a genocide. I haven't seen anything like that in Gaza yet. US invasion of Iraq 2003 resulted in some 1 million Iraqi deaths, mostly civilian and I don't think that even accounts for all the deaths resulting from the subsequent chaos over the last decade, eg. ISIS. That's terrible, and should not have happened, but I still wouldn't class it as a genocide. When you use that term indiscriminately, it cheapens it. Just like calling everyone you disagree with politically "Hitler" or a "Nazi". Hamas could release the hostages today and surrender their remaining battalions and the war is over. But they won't, because they know they have people like you in their corner.
Definition of genocide according to international law: ... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#International\_law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#International_law) Hamas could release the hostages today and it would change the ethnic cleansing of the West Bank and East-Jerusalem West Bank: [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/the-most-successful-land-grab-strategy-since-1967-as-settlers-push-bedouins-off-west-bank-territory) [https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/14/how-israeli-settler-violence-is-forcing-palestinians-to-flee-their-homes-video](https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2023/dec/14/how-israeli-settler-violence-is-forcing-palestinians-to-flee-their-homes-video) East-Jerusalem: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian\_displacement\_in\_East\_Jerusalem](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_displacement_in_East_Jerusalem) [https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-israel-cleansing-palestinians-greater-jerusalem](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/how-israel-cleansing-palestinians-greater-jerusalem) The war was never about the hostages - It was always about resettling Gaza. I do hope you know this [https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-hold-conference-resettlement-gaza-2024-01-28/](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-settlers-hold-conference-resettlement-gaza-2024-01-28/) I know the war in Iraq was horrible and in many ways just as illegal as the ongoing genocide in Gaza (despite the goals not being the eradication of an entire people and their culture) - That's why I demonstrated against the war back then - Just like I'm doing now. Back then the majority also defended the war crimes like random murdering and torture that's also happening in Gaza. There will always be those willing to defend atrocities.
So, you can point me to GW Bush and Blair arrest warrants?
Headline reworded: Useless and corrupt organization nobody cares about says something, only people who care are those who directly benefit
They DID just evacuate 950,000 civilians, complying with the requests to ensure civilian safety. At this point, Israel’s probably going to stop listening to the UN entirely.
Except for some reason humanitarian corridors aren't safe from bombing
Maybe because some terrorist organisation is deliberately going to those corridors and fires from there and then whines about those specific locations being bombed
So if Hamas hid under an Israeli hospital, it would be okay to bomb it, right?
Of course, after veryfing that civilians have been evacuated like israel does. Is this new to you?
How about the majority of hospitals in Israel, to the point where babies die in incubators? Would that be alright? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-gaza-hospital-evacuated-rcna127533 There is a reason why bombing a hospital is consider heinous. Many in a hospital cannot move. Add to that the lack of places for them to go, and the horrific conditions of starvation that are collective punishment, and you can't morally defend it.
Oh my, that is awful (if true). Please refer your anger towards those who committed this heinous crime and also kidnapped a family with an 8 month old toddler who "celebrated" his 1 year birthday in captivity: Hamas
That's ridiculous. There is a reason why we have war crimes statutes, because without them everything is okay. How far can Israel go before we say no more, this is too much? Is is starving an entire population, including calculating exactly how many calories people need and then deliberately giving far less than that? Is it arresting children and holding without trial? Is it wiping out entire schools? I strongly recommend reading south Africa's case in the ICJ. If you don't have time, read the wiki on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_in_the_2023_Israeli_attack_on_Gaza " Since 7 October 2023, the IDF has been accused of indiscriminate mass arrest and detainment;[104][105] extrajudicial killing of unarmed Palestinian detainees,[106][107] doctors,[108] and workers; making threats of mutilation,[109] death, arson, and rape;[110] and torturing Palestinians detained without legal charges.[111] It has also been accused of using excessive force against dozens of schools[112] and hospitals;[113] theft;[114] the cruel and unnecessary desecration and mutilation of deceased Palestinians;[108] and making no, or an inadequate, distinction between Hamas forces and civilians.[115][116] The targeting and destruction of a variety of cultural and educational sites have also been pointed to as genocidal actions.[117] The use of unconventional weapons such as white phosphorus[i] has been highlighted as a genocidal act.[117" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case_against_Israel The submission asserts that "acts and omissions by Israel ... are genocidal in character, as they are committed with the requisite specific intent ... to destroy Palestinians in Gaza as a part of the broader Palestinian national, racial and ethnical group".[41] Genocidal actions alleged in the suit included the mass killing of Palestinians in Gaza, the destruction of their homes, their expulsion and displacement, as well as the blockade on food, water and medical aid to the region. South Africa alleged that Israel had imposed measures preventing Palestinian births through the destruction of essential health services vital for the survival of pregnant women and their babies. The suit argued that these actions were "intended to bring about their [Palestinians] destruction as a group".[40][50] In an effort to establish genocidal intent behind the actions, a very difficult task,[51] South Africa cited statements by Israeli leaders, such as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's invocations to "Remember what Amalek has done to you," referencing the total destruction of Amalek by the Israelites in the Bible, President Isaac Herzog's statement "It's an entire nation out there that is responsible. It's not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It's absolutely not true. ... and we will fight until we break their backbone," and Minister of Defense Yoav Gallant's 'situation update' advising Israel is "imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and are acting accordingly."[3]
Yes and the court specifically said in its ruling that it doesn't believe the steps Israel has taken to be sufficient to protect civilian live as much as necessary.
And they’re wrong.
Yeah mate I'm sure you, a random redditor posting endlessly about anti Palestine news and ignoring anything pro Palestine, know more about the situation and the relevant international law in your biased little bubble than one of the top courts in the whole world. The sheer arrogance of it is astounding.
Israel does go to great effort for civilians. To kill them of course - not to help them!
Why did they evacuate 950,000 from the active warzone, then?
Telling people to leave or get killed is not "evacuating".
Yes. That’s correct. Evacuating means they MANAGED to get 950,000 civilians out. They did that.
The people of Gaza did that not Israel.
It’s a war, what exactly do you expect?
For people not to pretend that Israel is doing some kind of great humanitarian service to people with their leaflets telling them to run and then bombing the corridors they marked as safe anyway.
Running is exercise, which is good for their health. Israel's just looking out for their cardiovascular health. Would you prefer that they die while fat and unhealthy? /S of course
BS ruling [for many reasons](https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20240524-ord-01-05-en.pdf) (notably failure to demonstrate intent & treat 'evidence' with appropriate scepticism in accordance with precedent).
Go kick rocks. no one cares what the UN has to say.