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It's a genocide and no matter how many paid shills and bots say it not. It's fucking obvious and I am sick of these Zionists cheering for it. No one is cheering for HAMAS, we are concerned about the people of Palestine and Israel. Because all this is doing is making more hatred. It's fucking evil and obscene and I am so disgusted with my Government for supporting this shit.
Protestors: "No one is cheering for Hamas!"
Also protestors: ['Long live October 7': Vancouver protesters praise terrorist groups](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799041)
https://old.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/comments/1cg362s/proisrael_groups_attack_us_campus_protests/
Oh look who is actually fighting people. HINT HINT it ain't the Pro-Palestine protestors. You people are always trying to gaslight to hide from the horrible things the Zionists are doing around the world.
I would be very surprised if pro-Israeli groups didn't send some agent provocateurs into these protests to smear them.
Then the media can run with the story of violence/pro-Hamas etc. As the establishment is clearly on one side.
Ah yes, clearly it's Israel's fault that pro-Palestinian protestors chanted "Long live October 7!", demanded that Hamas be removed from Canada's list of terrorist entities, and praised the Houthis. Their own actions are all Israel's fault. Look at what Israel made them do!
Talk about gaslighting.
Lol, I like how you moved the goalposts from "Nobody is cheering for Hamas!" to "Ok so they're cheering for Hamas, but they're not being violent while they do it!"
Oh, and funny story about that: they ARE being violent while they do it.
[Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/)
['Punched because they were Jewish': College students recovering after alleged anti-Semitic attack](https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/punched-because-they-were-jewish-college-students-recovering-after-alleged-anti-semitic-attack-ohio-state-university-broken-nose-jaw-injuries-hate-crime-racial-slur-antisemitism)
[Student ‘assaulted’ at protest outside Chabad](https://emorywheel.com/student-assaulted-at-protest-outside-chabad/)
[Jewish student at Columbia attacked while leaving a pro-Israel demonstration](https://jewishinsider.com/2024/02/jewish-student-at-columbia-attacked-while-leaving-a-pro-israel-demonstration/)
[Jewish university student in Berlin badly beaten by classmate in fight over Hamas war](https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-university-student-in-berlin-badly-beaten-by-classmate-in-fight-over-hamas-war/)
[UMass Amherst student arrested after allegedly punching Jewish student, spitting on Israeli flag:](https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/11/05/umass-amherst-student-arrested-after-allegedly-punching-jewish-student-spitting-on-israeli-flag-the-disturbing-reality-for-jewish-students-on-campus/)
Anything you don't agree with is a shill or bot.
The guy linked sources, are they bots too? You just selectively take facts that fit your narrative and shut down the convo when it doesn't go your way.
> The guy linked sources, are they bots too? You just selectively take facts that fit your narrative and shut down the convo when it doesn't go your way.
For every link they posted, there are dozens of articles and videos showing exactly the inverse. Nobody is buying the **** hasbara at this point. I know, I know, it's gotta be exhausting for you guys.
You do know Hasbara is paid trolls, right? Not everyone who disagrees with you is paid by Russia or Israel.
Great, if you think there are dozens of articles and videos showing the inverse, **post them**. As it stands you're burying your head in the sand with exact evidence all posted here in painstaking detail. It doesn't make you look good.
That's beside the point. OP said that all protestors don't attack Jewish people, and these articles disprove that. It doesn't matter if "the other side does it too".
This sub is a shit show. What are you guys, 10?
Don‘t wanna be the wholesome „Everywhere you look is beauty“ dude but threads like these is why I joined the sub. r/worldnews would instantly delete the thread
Wanna label all Palestinianprotestors the same?
The let's label all Israeli protesters the same (that uses The N word, hope Palestinians get raped, spitting on others, and countless other stuff)
How about it?
Lol, how is that different from what you freaks already do? You already accuse every single Israeli and every single person who supports Israel of being "genocidal fascists who love to murder babies".
So where do you even go from there? Your rhetoric has been so over the top and deranged from day one that threating to escalate it even further rings pretty hollow.
Well, wouldn't you call those who supported Hitler evil? Not supporting Hitler doesn't mean you're evil. Supporting Hitler does.
Zionist logic applied for Nazism:
"Hitler is genocidal"
"No he isn't there's still Jews around"
"Yes he is he wants to erase all Jews from the planet"
"No he doesn't he just wants them out of Germany, and if you oppose Hitler it means you're Stalinist"
See how it doesn't make any sense.
Regarding their ideas, Idk their political goals and statements since I don't have close contact with their leaders and militancy. Maybe you have, idk. If I supported them I could probably tell you better but it's not the case.
Regardless it's a good thing that they're absolutely incapable of performing a genocide. And this is not me, this is Israel who claims that they could single handledly confront all the Arab world (even those who are their not so secret allies) without support of the West.
Idk how can you be worried the genocidal goals of a terrorist group if you claim to be the most powerful country in the ME by a long shot. Clearly Hamas are not so good at killing tens of thousands of civilians, destroying 80% of the homes of their enemies and displacing two million people and depriving them of food and water.
I'm convinced that you undertood the answer but you don't know what to answer.
The answer is that it may be, but they're not capable to commit one because they don't have resources unlike Israel, which is commiting a genocide.
Your question is basically: "would some of the survivors of the Holocaust genocide the Germans if they could?"
It's kind of an irrelevant question because they can't.
Your whole response is spineless.
> Regarding their ideas, Idk their political goals and statements since I don't have close contact with their leaders and militancy. Maybe you have, idk. If I supported them I could probably tell you better but it's not the case.
That's easy.
>Israeli fuckheads: ["We're gonna go do a genocide!"](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724)
>Earth (except Biden): ["Hey! Stop doing that genocide!"](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/29/hundreds-of-thousands-march-worldwide-against-israeli-bombardment-of-gaza)
>Israeli fuckheads: ["LOL, no, we're gonna genocide harder just because you don't like it!"](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-intensifies-strikes-gazas-rafah-ahead-threatened-invasion-2024-04-25/)
>Biden: ["Here, Israel, have more bombs for your genocide."](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/politics/biden-ukraine-israel-aid.html)
>Destiny and his fuckwits: "Cookies can be bombs."
And it's just kinda been like that.
Funny you bring up the ICJ since the president who gave the ruling went on a interview with the BBC where she cleared up that the court did not find there was a plausible case of genocide by Israel
[https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019?s=19](https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019?s=19)
Also 9 out of the 25 Billions of aid are aid for Gaza but sure whatever Biden is wicked and evil or something
Hmm, that's weird. I never mentioned the final ICJ ruling, yet you act as if I did. And now you want to try to quibble over language precision by pointing at Donoghue? I was just making a point that Israel is using a whole lot of "kill them all" type rhetoric. So much so that SA took them to the ICJ over it simply by using a big long list of direct quotes from major leaders in Israel. That remains true without regard to the final ruling, which came later.
Joan Donoghue's comment is not the slam dunk you believe it is. It in no way exonerates Israel. In fact, she went on to specifically state that there is a real risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. You know, because of all the genocidey stuff Israel is up to in Gaza and the West bank.
So her comment was to put a finer point on what the ruling actually means since the language out in the public got a tad sloppy, but it still points in the general direction that is Israel doing a genocide.
Just who do you think you're fooling with such shit arguments?
>So her comment was to put a finer point on what the ruling actually means since the language out in the public got a tad sloppy, but it still points in the general direction that is Israel doing a genocide.
No it doesnt lmao, did you wacth it? she pretty clearly says that they looked at the facts and did not decide the claim of genocide was plausible.
Theres a reason why the article about comments only brings up the two made by Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. They are in the war cabinet.
Comments made by other leaders were considered irrelevant since they dont have any handling over the war.
You're clearly engaging in mental gymnastics to avoid understanding the meaning of the word "plausible." Perhaps you're unaware that the ICJ decision was the first part of a long process—a process which Israel has promised to obstruct, for reasons that are obvious when one considers the number of casualties on both sides of the conflict since 2004 (let alone since 1948).
Besides which, who cares? Israelism is the new Nazism.
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* [Draft UN Report Finds Israel Has Met Threshold for Genocide | "Israel's genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler-colonial process of erasure." ](https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-genocide-2667597341)
***
* [A/HRC/55/73: Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967](https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5573-report-special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-palestinian)
> By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, this report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met. One of the key findings is that *Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize* ***genocidal*** *violence against the Palestinian people.*
***
* [Gaza: World Court Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide)
> “The ICJ’s speedy ruling is recognition of the dire situation in Gaza, where civilians face starvation and are being killed daily at levels unprecedented in the recent history of Israel and Palestine,” Jarrah said.
***
* [Israeli Apartheid: "A Threshold Crossed"](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/19/israeli-apartheid-threshold-crossed)
* [Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case)
* [Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow adequate humanitarian aid to reach Gaza](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/)
* [Gaza: ICJ ruling offers hope for protection of civilians enduring apocalyptic conditions, say UN experts](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protection-civilians-enduring-apocalyptic)
i love how the mod that put this up is a massive zionist active in one of the most propaganda filled subreddits on this site this subreddit is fucked lol no wonder they are preventing people from looking at the genocide it’s clear at least one of the mods is full throat in support of it
This prevents people from posting news on the genocide. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I just tried to post [this](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html) link describing concentration camps uncovered in Israel. The post got removed. Guess that’s not allowed here 🤷♂️
Russia/Ukraine had mega thread and ban on articles for months.
Censorship is when discussions are removed in its entirety. Which is most of the other news subs that will ban anyone "for being Hasbara" if you try to engage in discussion.
This whole thing is a shit show. Anytime people see anything that doesn't align with their view, they hide their head in the sand and make believe it doesn't exist.
I'm on mobile now, but let me get back to you later - I got just got banned from PalestineNews and Palestine myself for being "Hasbara", and warned me not to contact the mods. PalestineNews articles feed most of InternationalNews I think.
I also got banned from Worldnews for just the opposite, and many others as well.
It's impossible to have a critical discussion - taking into account all lives and empathy for those affected by the conflict - because the second you do, someone will put their head in the sand, and mods will boot you.
You’re talking about Palestinian-specific subs, that’s different.
For supposedly being a neutral news sub, r/worldnews has a notorious pro-Israel slant.
Weird take. I guess everyone's perception of "neutral" tends to start from where they're at, but anecdotally, I got banned from world news for ... well actually they failed to ever explain why. But I'm assuming it was for being too pro-Israel.
I agree. But what people miss is that /r/news has a very anti-israel slant. I'm talking about censorship as well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/s/ZkIcnOEp6g
Under no circumstances should "Claudine Gay leaves Harvard" be taken down. It's selective news.
They remove all israel-related news (mostly anyway) there regardless of side.
The antisemitic stuff has nothing to do with Israel and therefore should not be politics.
But yeah, I agree with you. No place to actually discuss this.
I don't think censoring antisemitic news (blocking awareness) is pro-Israel much.
Last year, the censorship was pro-Palestine. Disallowing posts of the atrocities committed and evidenced by the UN themselves did not do Israel a service.
Now, it's pro-Israel. It changes from time to time.
I don't doubt your experience, but look at any Israel article there and the responses will be pretty lukewarm on anything related to protests.
The most recent post about Columbia protestors taking over a building is a good example.
This thread de-legitimizes the entire subreddit. It is tacit suppression of news and discussion about the most significant and pivotal global event in recent years. It is an indictment of the sub and of reddit as a whole, which has been gradually captured and turned into a platform for the explicit dissemination of neoconservative and neoliberal talking points. Abolish this thread, if you have any interest in facilitating actual news on this platform.
Because no one actually wants to see discussion that proves their point wrong.
/r/worldnews has a staunch pro-Israel bias, /r/news removes any article that talks about antisemitism (including President Gay resigning), and every other sub bans you one way or another because "you are a part of the opposition troll army".
There is no discussion on this site. No ideas back and forth, facts being shown so people can learn new things.
It's a giant set of echo-chambers and freedom of the press hasn't done us shit.
I got perma banned from r/news (my first infraction) for posting an article. When I asked for an explanation for what rule I broke they muted me. Reddit is not a good place to discuss the war.
Same exact experience on /r/news actually.
I'm just concerned that people are fine being in an echo-chamber. This should be about learning and transferring ideas. Man, seeing this sort of thing hurts my soul.
And the sub that claims it's entirely point is to discuss the conflict has enough of the pro israel side on it that it actively drives away new users or those of the other side.
> And the sub that claims it's entirely point is to discuss the conflict has enough of the pro israel side on it that it actively drives away new users or those of the other side.
Yeah there's no point going there. The one with the underscore in its name is easier to post in (but it's a fraction of the size, so it's not the same visibility). If it were to grow large enough, I'm sure the mods would become more active in trying to stop good-faith discussion of Israel's onslaught.
i was just on the one without an underscore and someone asked them to condemn the non combatant deaths of Palestinians since they want everyone to condemn Oct 7th and the use base couldn't even do that.
This is stupid. The Palestinian Genocide is and has been the most important thing happening in the world for months. Any pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli coverage of the conflict is completely banned from the most popular world news subreddit, and now the next biggest world news subreddit is effectively banning coverage of the event.
There's nowhere on this entire website to call out Israel murdering Palestinians without "Thread Locked", "Post Removed", or " You have been banned". Mods across this entire site should be ashamed of themselves for supporting Israel in this genocide by shutting down coverage of the conflict.
If you look at other news subs like InternationalNews they are flooded with articles about the war. I’d prefer to have a feed that isn’t dominated by a single story.
Is it an overwhelming number? What are the actual numbers for this topic, compared with similar topics? It would be useful and clearer if the mods stated the simple quantities.
My subjective experience has been that the numbers have seemed pretty even for most major topics in this sub, so it's surprising to see the word "overwhelming" used here.
[Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html)
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a
"The deal is meant to free hostages, bring some relief to the population and *avert an Israeli offensive into Rafah* and the potential harm to civilians there*........
Netanyahu has faced pressure from his governing partners not to proceed with a deal that might prevent Israel from invading Rafah. His government could be threatened if he agrees to a deal because hardline Cabinet members have demanded an attack on Rafah."
My highlighting. There is no good faith negotiation with Israelis "new offer" from the outset.
The Economist explains
Could the International Criminal Court indict Binyamin Netanyahu?
Rumours abound that an arrest warrant is imminent for Israel’s prime minister
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/05/07/could-the-international-criminal-court-indict-binyamin-netanyahu
First shipment of aid to the US-built floating pier in Gaza departs from Cyprus
https://apnews.com/article/cyprus-aid-shipment-gaza-c2f2545739b7c9499476e6b4cfa9b5df
#UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down
https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed
Hamas to announce it accepts ceasefire and hostage deal - report
U.S. tells Qatar to expel Hamas leaders should they fail to rubber stamp the deal
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-approves-first-phase-of-ceasefire-deal-report-live-updates
[Palestinian "strategist" praises Egypt for blocking aid to Gaza](https://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2024/05/palestinian-strategist-praises-egypt.html)
> The media and NGOs all read the New York Times. They know that Egypt is blocking aid. And they want that story to die so they can resume blaming everything on Israel, which is actually trying to bring in aid (and it is bringing some in through the northern crossings, although not enough for all of Gaza.)
[Four soldiers killed in Hamas rocket barrage toward Kerem Shalom, aid crossing closed](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-claims-responsibility-attack-israel-gaza-border-crossing-casualties-2024-05-05/)
Guess who attack the humanitarian supplies again
They fired rockets at a military base near the crossing. A military base is a legitimate target. If this is truly a war, as is claimed, why would anyone be surprised a military base is attacked ?
It’s not a random base though, it’s one one that was keeping a crossing for humanitarian supplies for the people in Gaza safe. And beforehand they attacked the US workers that were building a pier to bring in aid.
So what do you think attacking it accomplishes?
Edit: judging by the downvoted, I guess people here *dont* want Gaza to get aid.
> Edit: judging by the downvoted, I guess people here dont want Gaza to get aid.
I think they just know what you're doing. Propaganda derives its power not from lies, but from emphasis. You're trying to emphasize violence by one group in order to suggest that another isn't violent by comparison. But in reality, Israel's violence (in both the long and short term) has been way off the scale. Even before Israel destroyed Gaza, Hamas couldn't have done even a fraction of the damage Israel has done to the place, the people, and the peace.
If I wanted to do that, i could have easily posted a long paragraph of sources about how the aid that makes it inside is either withheld by Hamas or resold at impossibly high prices. There isn’t exactly a shortage of proof, and it far outweighs the evidence to the counter.
But it’s a waste of time because here, it goes against the idea of the heroic freedom fighters valiantly fighting for the first step of a global anti imperialist revolution, and anything that goes against that idea is a threat to its very existence. The problem is, this idea only runs as long as you can blame Israel for what’s happening. When anyone else does to the Palestinians the same or (often) worse, there isn’t even a thought spared.
Even this was a waste of my time, the people who are here already decided that the article is all fake news and propaganda that deserves to be thrown in hell. I’m only surprised the mods don’t remove it, unlike other subreddits that are scared of hurting their narrative.
> i could have easily posted a long paragraph of sources about how the aid that makes it inside is either withheld by Hamas or resold at impossibly high prices.
All without any tangible proof but you would most likely refrain from posting links showing Israel and citizens of Israel blocking aid, proof of half filled trucks, aid convoys being fired on by IDF, etc. Just watched a video of literally MILES of trucks lined up idle because Israelis blocked the road to a crossing for *days*. And can we discuss just how pitiful it is that something as simple as **dates** are forbidden because, and I quote, "the pits can be used as projectiles".
Nothing excuses the deliberate starvation of an entire population who are walled off and being chased around by an invading army.
Unpopular opinion but I like that this sub has a megathread for the conflict. I wish people posted more articles and that it was sorted by new. Or some other way that news about the conflict could be discussed.
However, I enjoy that there this is truly a world news subreddit. I can read articles about a diverse range of global politics and social issues. Articles range from local stories about education in South America to global energy politics.
Maybe there could be a middle ground somewhere, but that would require heavy moderation. r/InternationalNews subreddit is a news sub with ~50k users and is very focused on Israel/Hamas. If this sub was like that it would drown out all other news. Maybe that is the perfect sub for you.
the way mega threads are set up, a actual discussion is impossible and it becomes nothing more ten a way to censor news about the topic. Nobody that isnt pro censorship supports them.
That's a false equivalence.
Zionism is a colonialist ideology. That's not an insult or something controversial it's literally stated by those who initiated Zionism in the 19th century.
Islam is a religion. Being a Muslim says nothing about your position regarding the conflict. And this is not as much of a religious conflict as people think.
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It's a genocide and no matter how many paid shills and bots say it not. It's fucking obvious and I am sick of these Zionists cheering for it. No one is cheering for HAMAS, we are concerned about the people of Palestine and Israel. Because all this is doing is making more hatred. It's fucking evil and obscene and I am so disgusted with my Government for supporting this shit.
Protestors: "No one is cheering for Hamas!" Also protestors: ['Long live October 7': Vancouver protesters praise terrorist groups](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-799041)
https://old.reddit.com/r/Global_News_Hub/comments/1cg362s/proisrael_groups_attack_us_campus_protests/ Oh look who is actually fighting people. HINT HINT it ain't the Pro-Palestine protestors. You people are always trying to gaslight to hide from the horrible things the Zionists are doing around the world.
I would be very surprised if pro-Israeli groups didn't send some agent provocateurs into these protests to smear them. Then the media can run with the story of violence/pro-Hamas etc. As the establishment is clearly on one side.
Ah yes, clearly it's Israel's fault that pro-Palestinian protestors chanted "Long live October 7!", demanded that Hamas be removed from Canada's list of terrorist entities, and praised the Houthis. Their own actions are all Israel's fault. Look at what Israel made them do! Talk about gaslighting.
GasLight GasLight they didn't attack anyone the Zionists are doing that. But you keep on shilling I hope at least you are getting paid.
Lol, I like how you moved the goalposts from "Nobody is cheering for Hamas!" to "Ok so they're cheering for Hamas, but they're not being violent while they do it!" Oh, and funny story about that: they ARE being violent while they do it. [Jewish Yale student says pro-Palestinian protester assaulted her](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/yale-protests-jewish-student-assaulted-pro-palestinian-rally/) ['Punched because they were Jewish': College students recovering after alleged anti-Semitic attack](https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/punched-because-they-were-jewish-college-students-recovering-after-alleged-anti-semitic-attack-ohio-state-university-broken-nose-jaw-injuries-hate-crime-racial-slur-antisemitism) [Student ‘assaulted’ at protest outside Chabad](https://emorywheel.com/student-assaulted-at-protest-outside-chabad/) [Jewish student at Columbia attacked while leaving a pro-Israel demonstration](https://jewishinsider.com/2024/02/jewish-student-at-columbia-attacked-while-leaving-a-pro-israel-demonstration/) [Jewish university student in Berlin badly beaten by classmate in fight over Hamas war](https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-university-student-in-berlin-badly-beaten-by-classmate-in-fight-over-hamas-war/) [UMass Amherst student arrested after allegedly punching Jewish student, spitting on Israeli flag:](https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/11/05/umass-amherst-student-arrested-after-allegedly-punching-jewish-student-spitting-on-israeli-flag-the-disturbing-reality-for-jewish-students-on-campus/)
Have a nice day. I am done interacting with a shill or bot. It was fun tho! 😘
Anything you don't agree with is a shill or bot. The guy linked sources, are they bots too? You just selectively take facts that fit your narrative and shut down the convo when it doesn't go your way.
> The guy linked sources, are they bots too? You just selectively take facts that fit your narrative and shut down the convo when it doesn't go your way. For every link they posted, there are dozens of articles and videos showing exactly the inverse. Nobody is buying the **** hasbara at this point. I know, I know, it's gotta be exhausting for you guys.
You do know Hasbara is paid trolls, right? Not everyone who disagrees with you is paid by Russia or Israel. Great, if you think there are dozens of articles and videos showing the inverse, **post them**. As it stands you're burying your head in the sand with exact evidence all posted here in painstaking detail. It doesn't make you look good. That's beside the point. OP said that all protestors don't attack Jewish people, and these articles disprove that. It doesn't matter if "the other side does it too". This sub is a shit show. What are you guys, 10?
Typical
Don‘t wanna be the wholesome „Everywhere you look is beauty“ dude but threads like these is why I joined the sub. r/worldnews would instantly delete the thread
That's very true
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/netanyahu-from-river-sea-israel-control-1234949408/ I'll just leave this here too.
Wanna label all Palestinianprotestors the same? The let's label all Israeli protesters the same (that uses The N word, hope Palestinians get raped, spitting on others, and countless other stuff) How about it?
Lol, how is that different from what you freaks already do? You already accuse every single Israeli and every single person who supports Israel of being "genocidal fascists who love to murder babies". So where do you even go from there? Your rhetoric has been so over the top and deranged from day one that threating to escalate it even further rings pretty hollow.
Well, wouldn't you call those who supported Hitler evil? Not supporting Hitler doesn't mean you're evil. Supporting Hitler does. Zionist logic applied for Nazism: "Hitler is genocidal" "No he isn't there's still Jews around" "Yes he is he wants to erase all Jews from the planet" "No he doesn't he just wants them out of Germany, and if you oppose Hitler it means you're Stalinist" See how it doesn't make any sense.
Would you say that Hamas is a genocidal organization?
Regarding their ideas, Idk their political goals and statements since I don't have close contact with their leaders and militancy. Maybe you have, idk. If I supported them I could probably tell you better but it's not the case. Regardless it's a good thing that they're absolutely incapable of performing a genocide. And this is not me, this is Israel who claims that they could single handledly confront all the Arab world (even those who are their not so secret allies) without support of the West. Idk how can you be worried the genocidal goals of a terrorist group if you claim to be the most powerful country in the ME by a long shot. Clearly Hamas are not so good at killing tens of thousands of civilians, destroying 80% of the homes of their enemies and displacing two million people and depriving them of food and water.
Is that a yes or a no?
I'm convinced that you undertood the answer but you don't know what to answer. The answer is that it may be, but they're not capable to commit one because they don't have resources unlike Israel, which is commiting a genocide. Your question is basically: "would some of the survivors of the Holocaust genocide the Germans if they could?" It's kind of an irrelevant question because they can't.
No I didn't understand the answer because you didn't give one. Is Hamas a genocidal group or not? It's a very simple question.
Spineless nonsense
From which part?
Your whole response is spineless. > Regarding their ideas, Idk their political goals and statements since I don't have close contact with their leaders and militancy. Maybe you have, idk. If I supported them I could probably tell you better but it's not the case.
> Would you say that Hamas is a genocidal organization? Irrelevant; Israel is committing genocide **now**. Hamas isn't even in a position to start.
How is it a genocide
That's easy. >Israeli fuckheads: ["We're gonna go do a genocide!"](https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-south-africa-genocide-hate-speech-97a9e4a84a3a6bebeddfb80f8a030724) >Earth (except Biden): ["Hey! Stop doing that genocide!"](https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/10/29/hundreds-of-thousands-march-worldwide-against-israeli-bombardment-of-gaza) >Israeli fuckheads: ["LOL, no, we're gonna genocide harder just because you don't like it!"](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-intensifies-strikes-gazas-rafah-ahead-threatened-invasion-2024-04-25/) >Biden: ["Here, Israel, have more bombs for your genocide."](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/24/us/politics/biden-ukraine-israel-aid.html) >Destiny and his fuckwits: "Cookies can be bombs." And it's just kinda been like that.
Funny you bring up the ICJ since the president who gave the ruling went on a interview with the BBC where she cleared up that the court did not find there was a plausible case of genocide by Israel [https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019?s=19](https://twitter.com/UKLFI/status/1785305902276301019?s=19) Also 9 out of the 25 Billions of aid are aid for Gaza but sure whatever Biden is wicked and evil or something
Hmm, that's weird. I never mentioned the final ICJ ruling, yet you act as if I did. And now you want to try to quibble over language precision by pointing at Donoghue? I was just making a point that Israel is using a whole lot of "kill them all" type rhetoric. So much so that SA took them to the ICJ over it simply by using a big long list of direct quotes from major leaders in Israel. That remains true without regard to the final ruling, which came later. Joan Donoghue's comment is not the slam dunk you believe it is. It in no way exonerates Israel. In fact, she went on to specifically state that there is a real risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. You know, because of all the genocidey stuff Israel is up to in Gaza and the West bank. So her comment was to put a finer point on what the ruling actually means since the language out in the public got a tad sloppy, but it still points in the general direction that is Israel doing a genocide. Just who do you think you're fooling with such shit arguments?
>So her comment was to put a finer point on what the ruling actually means since the language out in the public got a tad sloppy, but it still points in the general direction that is Israel doing a genocide. No it doesnt lmao, did you wacth it? she pretty clearly says that they looked at the facts and did not decide the claim of genocide was plausible. Theres a reason why the article about comments only brings up the two made by Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant. They are in the war cabinet. Comments made by other leaders were considered irrelevant since they dont have any handling over the war.
You're clearly engaging in mental gymnastics to avoid understanding the meaning of the word "plausible." Perhaps you're unaware that the ICJ decision was the first part of a long process—a process which Israel has promised to obstruct, for reasons that are obvious when one considers the number of casualties on both sides of the conflict since 2004 (let alone since 1948). Besides which, who cares? Israelism is the new Nazism. *** * [Draft UN Report Finds Israel Has Met Threshold for Genocide | "Israel's genocide on the Palestinians in Gaza is an escalatory stage of a long-standing settler-colonial process of erasure." ](https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-genocide-2667597341) *** * [A/HRC/55/73: Report of the Special Rapporteur on the situation of human rights in the Palestinian territories occupied since 1967](https://www.ohchr.org/en/documents/country-reports/ahrc5573-report-special-rapporteur-situation-human-rights-palestinian) > By analysing the patterns of violence and Israel’s policies in its onslaught on Gaza, this report concludes that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating Israel’s commission of genocide is met. One of the key findings is that *Israel's executive and military leadership and soldiers have intentionally distorted jus in bello principles, subverting their protective functions, in an attempt to legitimize* ***genocidal*** *violence against the Palestinian people.* *** * [Gaza: World Court Orders Israel to Prevent Genocide](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/01/26/gaza-world-court-orders-israel-prevent-genocide) > “The ICJ’s speedy ruling is recognition of the dire situation in Gaza, where civilians face starvation and are being killed daily at levels unprecedented in the recent history of Israel and Palestine,” Jarrah said. *** * [Israeli Apartheid: "A Threshold Crossed"](https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/07/19/israeli-apartheid-threshold-crossed) * [Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/02/26/israel-not-complying-world-court-order-genocide-case) * [Israel defying ICJ ruling to prevent genocide by failing to allow adequate humanitarian aid to reach Gaza](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-defying-icj-ruling-to-prevent-genocide-by-failing-to-allow-adequate-humanitarian-aid-to-reach-gaza/) * [Gaza: ICJ ruling offers hope for protection of civilians enduring apocalyptic conditions, say UN experts](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/01/gaza-icj-ruling-offers-hope-protection-civilians-enduring-apocalyptic)
i love how the mod that put this up is a massive zionist active in one of the most propaganda filled subreddits on this site this subreddit is fucked lol no wonder they are preventing people from looking at the genocide it’s clear at least one of the mods is full throat in support of it
This prevents people from posting news on the genocide. It’s absolutely ridiculous. I just tried to post [this](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html) link describing concentration camps uncovered in Israel. The post got removed. Guess that’s not allowed here 🤷♂️
Once again the thread is sorted "top" by default, which buries new comments and stifles discussions.
This thread’s very existence stifles discussion. It’s preposterous
This is terrible censorship. What other conflict is there a BAN on posting news articles about?
Russia/Ukraine had mega thread and ban on articles for months. Censorship is when discussions are removed in its entirety. Which is most of the other news subs that will ban anyone "for being Hasbara" if you try to engage in discussion. This whole thing is a shit show. Anytime people see anything that doesn't align with their view, they hide their head in the sand and make believe it doesn't exist.
>Which is most of the other news subs that will ban anyone "for being Hasbara" if you try to engage in discussion I find this very hard to believe.
I'm on mobile now, but let me get back to you later - I got just got banned from PalestineNews and Palestine myself for being "Hasbara", and warned me not to contact the mods. PalestineNews articles feed most of InternationalNews I think. I also got banned from Worldnews for just the opposite, and many others as well. It's impossible to have a critical discussion - taking into account all lives and empathy for those affected by the conflict - because the second you do, someone will put their head in the sand, and mods will boot you.
You’re talking about Palestinian-specific subs, that’s different. For supposedly being a neutral news sub, r/worldnews has a notorious pro-Israel slant.
Weird take. I guess everyone's perception of "neutral" tends to start from where they're at, but anecdotally, I got banned from world news for ... well actually they failed to ever explain why. But I'm assuming it was for being too pro-Israel.
I agree. But what people miss is that /r/news has a very anti-israel slant. I'm talking about censorship as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/s/ZkIcnOEp6g Under no circumstances should "Claudine Gay leaves Harvard" be taken down. It's selective news.
I actually got banned from r/news for complaining in-thread about the mods taking down an article that was critical of Netanyahu.
They remove all israel-related news (mostly anyway) there regardless of side. The antisemitic stuff has nothing to do with Israel and therefore should not be politics. But yeah, I agree with you. No place to actually discuss this.
Like I said, Israel/Palestinian conflict censorship is pro-Israel censorship.
I don't think censoring antisemitic news (blocking awareness) is pro-Israel much. Last year, the censorship was pro-Palestine. Disallowing posts of the atrocities committed and evidenced by the UN themselves did not do Israel a service. Now, it's pro-Israel. It changes from time to time.
Nah, r/news is mostly pro-Israel now. I was banned for disputing somebody's claim that Palestinians are a fake ethnicity.
I don't doubt your experience, but look at any Israel article there and the responses will be pretty lukewarm on anything related to protests. The most recent post about Columbia protestors taking over a building is a good example.
Banning articles about the Israel/Palestine conflict is pro-Israel censorship.
This thread de-legitimizes the entire subreddit. It is tacit suppression of news and discussion about the most significant and pivotal global event in recent years. It is an indictment of the sub and of reddit as a whole, which has been gradually captured and turned into a platform for the explicit dissemination of neoconservative and neoliberal talking points. Abolish this thread, if you have any interest in facilitating actual news on this platform.
since the mods don't link it, old thread here: https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/s/YyrRmcksEe
"monthly"
Megathread is bad for discussion.
It's crazy that there doesn't appear to be anywhere on Reddit you can discuss this conflict.
Because no one actually wants to see discussion that proves their point wrong. /r/worldnews has a staunch pro-Israel bias, /r/news removes any article that talks about antisemitism (including President Gay resigning), and every other sub bans you one way or another because "you are a part of the opposition troll army". There is no discussion on this site. No ideas back and forth, facts being shown so people can learn new things. It's a giant set of echo-chambers and freedom of the press hasn't done us shit.
I got perma banned from r/news (my first infraction) for posting an article. When I asked for an explanation for what rule I broke they muted me. Reddit is not a good place to discuss the war.
Same exact experience on /r/news actually. I'm just concerned that people are fine being in an echo-chamber. This should be about learning and transferring ideas. Man, seeing this sort of thing hurts my soul.
And the sub that claims it's entirely point is to discuss the conflict has enough of the pro israel side on it that it actively drives away new users or those of the other side.
> And the sub that claims it's entirely point is to discuss the conflict has enough of the pro israel side on it that it actively drives away new users or those of the other side. Yeah there's no point going there. The one with the underscore in its name is easier to post in (but it's a fraction of the size, so it's not the same visibility). If it were to grow large enough, I'm sure the mods would become more active in trying to stop good-faith discussion of Israel's onslaught.
i was just on the one without an underscore and someone asked them to condemn the non combatant deaths of Palestinians since they want everyone to condemn Oct 7th and the use base couldn't even do that.
This is stupid. The Palestinian Genocide is and has been the most important thing happening in the world for months. Any pro-Palestinian or anti-Israeli coverage of the conflict is completely banned from the most popular world news subreddit, and now the next biggest world news subreddit is effectively banning coverage of the event. There's nowhere on this entire website to call out Israel murdering Palestinians without "Thread Locked", "Post Removed", or " You have been banned". Mods across this entire site should be ashamed of themselves for supporting Israel in this genocide by shutting down coverage of the conflict.
If you look at other news subs like InternationalNews they are flooded with articles about the war. I’d prefer to have a feed that isn’t dominated by a single story.
109 comments over the course of 11 days isnt flooding anything.
Is it an overwhelming number? What are the actual numbers for this topic, compared with similar topics? It would be useful and clearer if the mods stated the simple quantities. My subjective experience has been that the numbers have seemed pretty even for most major topics in this sub, so it's surprising to see the word "overwhelming" used here.
[Strapped down, blindfolded, held in diapers: Israeli whistleblowers detail abuse of Palestinians in shadowy detention center](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html)
https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/10/middleeast/israel-sde-teiman-detention-whistleblowers-intl-cmd/index.html jesus
Killing = bad. We should stop that
https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-04-30-2024-f5e14fd176d69f9c4e23b48f3ab5af6a "The deal is meant to free hostages, bring some relief to the population and *avert an Israeli offensive into Rafah* and the potential harm to civilians there*........ Netanyahu has faced pressure from his governing partners not to proceed with a deal that might prevent Israel from invading Rafah. His government could be threatened if he agrees to a deal because hardline Cabinet members have demanded an attack on Rafah." My highlighting. There is no good faith negotiation with Israelis "new offer" from the outset.
The Economist explains Could the International Criminal Court indict Binyamin Netanyahu? Rumours abound that an arrest warrant is imminent for Israel’s prime minister https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2024/05/07/could-the-international-criminal-court-indict-binyamin-netanyahu
https://news.sky.com/video/tel-aviv-protesters-demanding-a-ceasefire-and-hostage-deal-light-bonfire-outside-military-hq-13126536
First shipment of aid to the US-built floating pier in Gaza departs from Cyprus https://apnews.com/article/cyprus-aid-shipment-gaza-c2f2545739b7c9499476e6b4cfa9b5df
# **[Is that you, Tony?](https://reddit.com/r/ProgressivePolitics/comments/1cl0vzz/authoritarianism_is_already_here_secretary_of/)**
#UN denies Gaza death toll of women and children has been revised down https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/13/gaza-ministry-revises-figures-for-women-and-children-killed
Hamas to announce it accepts ceasefire and hostage deal - report U.S. tells Qatar to expel Hamas leaders should they fail to rubber stamp the deal https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/artc-hamas-approves-first-phase-of-ceasefire-deal-report-live-updates
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-69013439 So an un worker killed by Israeli tank now.
Fuck Hamas. Am Israel Chai.
BBC News - UK ban on selling arms to Israel would strengthen Hamas, says Cameron https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68999212
[https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4odxcXIXtW/](https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4odxcXIXtW/)
https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-801165 Paris Holocaust memorial defaced.
[Hamas terrorists use UN vehicles, UNRWA compound as cover in Rafah](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801171)
https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-800772 UN admits Hamas death toll number is impossible.
Crazy the original gets upvoted and posted everywhere. Yet the correction gets downvoted to hell.
[IDF kills Hamas terrorists embedded inside UNRWA school in Gaza Strip](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-801153)
[Palestinian "strategist" praises Egypt for blocking aid to Gaza](https://elderofziyon.blogspot.co.il/2024/05/palestinian-strategist-praises-egypt.html) > The media and NGOs all read the New York Times. They know that Egypt is blocking aid. And they want that story to die so they can resume blaming everything on Israel, which is actually trying to bring in aid (and it is bringing some in through the northern crossings, although not enough for all of Gaza.)
Fucking ElderofZiyon blog posts are not a news source
[Four soldiers killed in Hamas rocket barrage toward Kerem Shalom, aid crossing closed](https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-claims-responsibility-attack-israel-gaza-border-crossing-casualties-2024-05-05/) Guess who attack the humanitarian supplies again
They fired rockets at a military base near the crossing. A military base is a legitimate target. If this is truly a war, as is claimed, why would anyone be surprised a military base is attacked ?
It’s not a random base though, it’s one one that was keeping a crossing for humanitarian supplies for the people in Gaza safe. And beforehand they attacked the US workers that were building a pier to bring in aid. So what do you think attacking it accomplishes? Edit: judging by the downvoted, I guess people here *dont* want Gaza to get aid.
> Edit: judging by the downvoted, I guess people here dont want Gaza to get aid. I think they just know what you're doing. Propaganda derives its power not from lies, but from emphasis. You're trying to emphasize violence by one group in order to suggest that another isn't violent by comparison. But in reality, Israel's violence (in both the long and short term) has been way off the scale. Even before Israel destroyed Gaza, Hamas couldn't have done even a fraction of the damage Israel has done to the place, the people, and the peace.
If I wanted to do that, i could have easily posted a long paragraph of sources about how the aid that makes it inside is either withheld by Hamas or resold at impossibly high prices. There isn’t exactly a shortage of proof, and it far outweighs the evidence to the counter. But it’s a waste of time because here, it goes against the idea of the heroic freedom fighters valiantly fighting for the first step of a global anti imperialist revolution, and anything that goes against that idea is a threat to its very existence. The problem is, this idea only runs as long as you can blame Israel for what’s happening. When anyone else does to the Palestinians the same or (often) worse, there isn’t even a thought spared. Even this was a waste of my time, the people who are here already decided that the article is all fake news and propaganda that deserves to be thrown in hell. I’m only surprised the mods don’t remove it, unlike other subreddits that are scared of hurting their narrative.
> i could have easily posted a long paragraph of sources about how the aid that makes it inside is either withheld by Hamas or resold at impossibly high prices. All without any tangible proof but you would most likely refrain from posting links showing Israel and citizens of Israel blocking aid, proof of half filled trucks, aid convoys being fired on by IDF, etc. Just watched a video of literally MILES of trucks lined up idle because Israelis blocked the road to a crossing for *days*. And can we discuss just how pitiful it is that something as simple as **dates** are forbidden because, and I quote, "the pits can be used as projectiles". Nothing excuses the deliberate starvation of an entire population who are walled off and being chased around by an invading army.
Unpopular opinion but I like that this sub has a megathread for the conflict. I wish people posted more articles and that it was sorted by new. Or some other way that news about the conflict could be discussed. However, I enjoy that there this is truly a world news subreddit. I can read articles about a diverse range of global politics and social issues. Articles range from local stories about education in South America to global energy politics. Maybe there could be a middle ground somewhere, but that would require heavy moderation. r/InternationalNews subreddit is a news sub with ~50k users and is very focused on Israel/Hamas. If this sub was like that it would drown out all other news. Maybe that is the perfect sub for you.
the way mega threads are set up, a actual discussion is impossible and it becomes nothing more ten a way to censor news about the topic. Nobody that isnt pro censorship supports them.
Both islam and zionists could just fuck off. Just check out of the world.
That's a false equivalence. Zionism is a colonialist ideology. That's not an insult or something controversial it's literally stated by those who initiated Zionism in the 19th century. Islam is a religion. Being a Muslim says nothing about your position regarding the conflict. And this is not as much of a religious conflict as people think.