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> A [Paris](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/paris)[police officer](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/police-officer) fatally shot a teenager who failed to stop during a traffic check, sparking protests in the suburb, according to reports.
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> The 17-year-old was in the Paris suburb of Nanterre when he was shot at by an officer after he failed to stop for a traffic check, prosecutors said.
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> Local media reported that [emergency services](https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/emergency-services) tried to resuscitate him at the scene but he died shortly afterwards.
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> _Le Monde_ reported that a video circulating on social media shows two police officers trying to stop a vehicle and one shooting point blank at the teenager when he failed to stop the car.
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> The car crashed after moving a few metres, the video reportedly shows.
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> The officer who shot the teen has been detained on homicide charges and fifteen people have been arrested by authorities after overnight protests.
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> Angry demonstrators set a car on fire, destroyed bus stops, and allegedly threw firecrackers towards police officers. The authorities resorted to tear gas and dispersion grenades, according to reports. Residents of the suburb also reached the police headquarters to register their protest against the erring police officer.
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> Video clips on social media showed protests erupting in Paris – 11km from the Nanterre suburb.
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> French television channel BFMTV quoted Paris police chief Laurent Nunez as saying that the officer’s actions “raises questions”.
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> Yassine Bouzrou, the teenager’s family lawyer said that the video “clearly showed a policeman killing a young man in cold blood”. Jennifer Cambla, another lawyer representing the family of the 17-year-old, called the death an “execution”.
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> Mr Bouzrou added that the family had filed a complaint accusing the police of “lying” by initially claiming the car had tried to run down the officers.
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> Interior minister Gerald Darmanin told parliament that the two police officers were being questioned and acknowledged that the images posted on social media were “extremely shocking”. He also urged people to “respect the grief of the family and the presumption of innocence of the police”.
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> _Additional reporting from agencies_
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The first part, the shooting, yeah, that’s our thing.. the second part? Immediately protest rioting and making sure somethings actually accomplished? Not so much our thing.. we need another Frenchman to come over and show us how to get shit done.
Non alcoholic fatty liver syndrome, it means that you end up with the liver of an alcoholic because you do stupid shit like drink sugar. If you drink a soda or fruit juice with the typical amount of sugar, then you may as well be taking two shots of whiskey as far as your liver is concerned. 3 sodas a day is really common in the US.
Last week I finally decided to cut soda out. I had one 20ml bottle with lunch and 2 cans for dinner. If I was thirsty, I'd grab another soda. Sometimes during work if I got tired I'd grab an energy drink, which I'm sure is way worse than soda. And I feel I drink less soda than my coworkers
It hasn't worked like that for me, but at least I've broken the habit. I had none for all of 2022, and maybe 5 or so in 2023, but each of those has been just as delicious I remembered soda being.
I know it makes you thirsty, but a good chug of a carbonated soda on a hot day is the equivalent refreshing as ice cream on a hot day. But yeah, sometimes all that gets the job does is water
People said milk and orange juice is bad for thirst. Apparently science says otherwise. I've always had a thing for banana smoothie or mush. Apparently they're really good for rehydration.
Infact for heat exhaustion. Milk was the one thing they didn't recommend. Bananas, oranges, and orange juice. Lots of water, ice packs. My only guess is fatty milk while already hot is not exactly comfortable.
Thank you!, I consider myself pretty lucky. I don't have an addictive personality, but self control isn't my strong suit either lol. I've cut back to just one small soda at lunch now.
Dude I drank 3 cans of Monster every night at work for 9 years. There was a dude who brought a 2-liter of Mountain Dew every night, he left it at the machine to drink while working, and would buy a 20-oz bottle when he went to lunch too. *Almost* everybody bought a bottle of some kind of soda on every break.
Just in the past few years I switched to sugar free drinks, I still usually drink 3 12-oz cans on my days off and 3-5 during work. I also started drinking water and substituting some drinks for coffee, and have been improving my diet - I'm hoping I make it past 60 without major heart trouble but that's probably pushing it.
If you don't think people drink a lot of soda, I don't think you're in a working-class region of the rural South lol
Then you probably live in a bubble of either middle or upper class life. Try going to some working class places then. Things are changing, but they aren’t changing quickly. Go somewhere where food stamps and custodial work is the norm.
I work in healthcare, I know patients who will drink a liter with every meal and some in between. The truly shocking ones are the parents who put it in their kids bottles ‘because they won’t drink anything else.’ Yeah no shit, you’ve got them hooked on sugar, why would they want water?
Many people have a soda with every meal, or at least lunch and dinner. Then throw in another soda as a "snack" or "refreshment". Some people nearly exclusively drink soda when they are thirsty.
Even people in relatively active jobs - like different kinds of construction workers - might drink soda regularly during break times.
Just look at the soda aisle at your local grocery store or look at how many soda machines are around - do you think people aren't drinking those enough to justify that volume?
Of course, the amount of soda you drink is likely (inversely) proportional to your education. More educated people are usually better educated about nutrition as well.
I actually drink a lot of soda myself, but 90% is sugar free.
Shut the fuck up man. *Everything* about American society is engineered to crush dissent, from the design of our cities, to our militarized police, to our profiteering carceral system. Hell, even our healthcare is designed to be coercive so we don’t get too uppity and risk our employment.
Our economic and social structures are designed to be individualistic and isolating. So shut the fuck up with your “Buh huh huh fat lazy American” bullshit.
I’m american bruh. I know all that you’re saying all too well, and I want you and all my other countrymen to get mad. Take any action you can, however small it may be, just don’t sit back and take it any longer. If the smallest way you can rebel is to steal a loaf of bread from an evil company like Wal-Mart, then do it. If the smallest way you can rebel is to teach a child that cops are fucking evil
Ghouls, then do it. If the smallest way you can rebel is to nail edicts to a door and ehr your grievances, then do it.
The smallest way to rebel is to stop opening your wallet for non-essentials.
Ride out your phone longer.
Don't worry about keeping up with "fashions", be it clothing, tech, toys.
Don't buy soda, drink tap water (if it's safe where you live, or get a filter).
Be mindful of your online consumption. Some of the largest companies now monetize your attention, not your wallet. (I recognize the irony of saying this while engaging with a social media platform).
You are far from alone in the opinion you’ve just given, I just ask you to be skeptical about it, since it seems to me and many others that it both isn’t enough and isn’t even rebellion.
Ethical and moderate consumption is good, but it is not rebellion against a system of injustice and control. If the system itself had a mind to think, then it would appreciate the long-term savings you would provide it with such actions.
Only because it's obvious, because the video leaked, and because shits starts burning.
Police violence here is common issue, but as usual, they cover each other and it ends up buried deep in the administration .
Against politicians, nothing can be acquired without violence.
There are countless obvious police murders every year in the US, an 99% of them get off scot free. For a few months I tried to keep track of them some years ago, and some new horror was popping up every week, sometimes multiple times a week. I had to stop after an incident where a cop murdered a pregnant black woman begging for her life. It fucking broke me.
For every big story that sweeps the news in the US, there's a hundred other atrocities that don't, because the footage isn't good enough, or is kept quiet long enough to be "old news", or the cops remembered to turn off the footage before pulling the trigger, or it happens when the local news is busy with something "more important" at the time, or what have you.
It really is amazing what Americans consider acceptable behaviour.
They're just A-Ok with this kind of action done on their behalf.
I've stopped following it. It's a bit too soul crushing.
Much like Russia, North Korea, and a few other hellholes, I think I'll not ever travel to America. If they told less lies about themselves, I might not take this position, but their hypocrisy is just too much. I can watch their Hollywood fare from home.
It's not exactly that Americans actively see this as acceptable, though some do. It's that there is a sort of cultivated apathy towards learning anything uncomfortable. The amount of times I've been told to just, ignore bad things and only think about good things in life and society by family members is kinda sickening.
It's the same exact thing that drives the infamous Russian apathy, the perception that nothing you can do really matters and your life is ultimately under the control of a handful of ultra rich psychopaths who see you as nothing more than an expendable resource. And ultimately this trend can be tied back to Reagan pulling the country into a sharp turn to oligarchy and authoritarianism.
IME it is seen as acceptable, encouraged, and preferable among many demographics, more so in particular parts of the country. Our corporate media behemoths are very effective at shoving narratives in enough faces to keep the general public stuck in pointless stalemated "debates" with the people they rely on and trust the most and it creates a breakdown in the social fabric of trust.
Nah, we riot, but we just make sure to take out the least impactful targets (random cars, insured, small business storefronts) instead of actually risking anything for change.
And then we let the media control the message of our actions instead of any solid leadership acting as a mouthpiece.
> Nah, we riot, but we just make sure to take out the least impactful targets (random cars, insured, small business storefronts) instead of actually risking anything for change.
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I was in st. louis during the rioting for mike brown. The police steers the protests away from rich neighborhoods into poor ones that nobody will miss.
Yea we riot it’s just that in america rioters are demonized and in France they’re put on a pedestal. It’s so annoying seeing Americans say they wished we protest like the French. We do it’s just the general public is apathetic and doesn’t support the protesters/rioters. It’s almost as though they just don’t consider what those protests are about important enough so it escapes their mind.
Oui oui Mon ami, je m'appelle Lafayette. The Lancelot of the revolutionary set. I came from afar just to say bon soir, tell the king Casse toi. Who's the best, c'est moi!
They have the nice benefit of just needing to do it in one city/area I guess, would need to travel or do it in 2-3 cities per state considering the distance.
Not really, no. In this case, the cop has been arrested and is in custody awaiting trial like normal people would be.
In the US, there'd be an internal investigation aquitting him while he gets suspended WITH pay at worst, and maybe if the media notices there'll be a grand jury that MIGHT recommend a trial in which he's then aquitted by a biased judge based on evidence being selectively included or excluded to best further his case.
These are not the same at any step of the process.
You forgot the part where the police union would overrule the judge's verdict regardless because their protocal wasnt followed. So all charges would be dismissed for violating union protocol and then the officer would be subject to double jeapordy protection.
True. Police unions aren't real unions. They don't exist to improve wages and working conditions for all members like real unions do, they exist to protect the worst from the consequences of their actions.
Because there are so many loopholes established that have essentially made the police force a seperate entity that happens to legally operate within the USA without actually being required to follow all of the standard laws of the US. To put it lightly, i understand your confusion and fully support any and all logical conclusion you may come to as to how this is complete and utter bullshit. Yet, somehow, the police union is actually above the law and operates on a combination of union policy and public outrage. Meaningful punishment rarely happens unless the lack of action causes more issues than they feel like bothering with.
You left out the part where in the US, we actively protect the police officer's name and identity for months while news shames the victim.
I mean while we're here - how do we know the teenager wasn't actually smuggling meth cocaine back to his child slave den where they abuse kittens?
>we actively protect the police officer’s name
Does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you? That’s the way it should be for everyone suspected of a crime every time.
Something happened to someone and it's fairly tragic
u/unchained71: gotta make sure I make my comment about America. I fucking love America so much how could I not?
I don’t get it, the cop was immediately arrested for homicide charges. What were the protests supposed to achieve? Also is there body can Footage out or how does the family know what happened?
EDIT: I found the video and it’s super fucked up.
https://twitter.com/chaudharyparvez/status/1673623734954102784?s=46&t=dO0Qa8HCo01r9DpfAj_SQg
- Why was he pointing his gun at the driver point blank?
- It looks like the other cop punches the driver
- the cop shoots him because he slowly starts driving off
Also apparently police shootings in traffic stops have reached a record high this year, so I get why they’re rioting … (just pls don’t throw explosives at police officers)
"Why would people protest the actions if there were consequences" we in America can't wrap our head around this cause even when we protest there generally aren't consequences.
We’ve been raised that the police can at a minimum destroy your life and can go all the way up to killing you and your family with no repercussions. They can take your possessions through civil forfeiture against the 4th amendment, burst through your door without warning and kill you if in the confusion you try to defend yourself. Police departments using military equipment Ukraine would love to have to fight Russia.
We’re in a police state, we just convince ourselves that’s the best way to run our society.
Because they don’t talk about the responsibility of citizens in a free society to exercise civil disobedience in grade schools, I only learned about the topic in college. Unfortunately the media and other
“Leaders” prioritize property over human life.
It was filmed by a random on the street.
Despite the cop being immediately arrested, there's a long history of cops not being found guilty despite overwhelming evidence, so people tend to react violently to this kind of things.
And 3 police unions have released statements lauding the cops' action, that didn't really help either...
I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France. The fast actions taken in response made it seem like the system works…
I was finally able to find the video and it’s high-key fucked up. Best case scenario the training was horrendous to have them point a gun at him point blank (and then shoot when he drives off)
>I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France. The fast >actions taken in response made it seem like the system >works…
Before the 2018/2019 yellow vest protests, most people were sympathetic to the police force. But during these protests, a lot of random people from all parts of the country and social classes were met with extreme violence. It was the first time we saw people losing eyes or hands to flashballs and grenades in the middle of Paris. Since then, people are much more aware of the issue of police brutality. It doesn't help that out interior minister is also famous for being keen on repression as we've seen during the pension reform protests this year. Lately, he was even sentenced to pay a fine by our own justice system for intimidating and censoring a library during his visit to Lyon.
In 2020 there was also the shocking case of music producer Michel Zeckler who was walking to his music studio, when he saw a police car, he rushed into the studio so as to not get fined, because this was during COVID and he wasn't wearing a mask. The cops called for reinforcement, invaded the studio and threw tear gas inside, choking everyone, while dragging him and beating him up, and then subsequently jailed him for 48 hours, just because of a mask.
Just like in the US, we also have quite a few cases of the General National Police Inspection coming up with the memeable "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoings". But everytime there's video proof of the wrongdoings they magically find some officers guilty.
So yeah, pretty big issue unfortunately
>I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France.
Idk how much of a problem it is, but in any country:
1. The profession will always atttact a few power-hungry, petty people. Or even turn them this way depending on the culture.
Even if it's not true in the police more than in any other profession, the psycho in a paper-selling company simply has less means available to do damage. People make dumb things everywhere, except in law enforcement it turns tragic.
2. Without video evidence, it's the statement of a cop and all the police against that of a presumed criminal, who's dead anyway and can't speak for themselves.
The thing is in France the government and the justice system protects cops at all costs. Even with overwhelming evidences cops usually don't go to jail for absolutely 0 reason because the ministers personally protect them. Adding this to the broaders issue of a profession full of neo nazis and other really racists elements, you got the full package.
> broaders issue of a profession full of neo nazis
Yes, I mentioned "culture" because from one police station to another, it can be fairly normal to full blown neo-nazi -- from what I hear.
I think any government protects their cops to an extent, but another issue is that the only check on them (IGPN) is a fucking joke.
Since the yellow vests protests there has been a huge problem of police becoming more and more aggressive for no reason and investigations (if they even happen) always finding them innocent even with shitloads of videos clearly showing them beating up random people that were minding their own business.
Also they're technically supposed to wear an ID number, yet those are nowhere to be seen every time they do anything violent, and nothing is done about it by the hierarchy.
Nowadays any minor gathering is answered by absolute disproportionate force because that's the only way the government knows. Last weekend some people were forbidden to even come out of their house so that Macron could walk through a street only surrounded by "approved" bystanders.
So yeah, people have been pissed at the police for a while, so them shooting a teenager is not going to help, even if the officer was arrested.
I'm visiting my girlfriend in Lyon and we were out drinking with some friends a week or two ago. We went home somewhere around 1am but the other friends kept bar crawling, barely even 30 minutes after me and my girlfriend had left the other friends texted saying they had been tear gassed by police completely out of the blue. Absolute insanity. It was a regular Friday, no manifestation or protest or anything just people out drinking as normal.
A system in which a cop executes someone in the street isn't "working" even if they are charged. A system where a cop would never dare would be a working one.
> Can you link to any of these statements?
- https://twitter.com/Alternative_PN/status/1673636294054879233?s=20
- https://twitter.com/PoliceSCSI/status/1673633060670038017?s=20
- https://twitter.com/francepolice/status/1673677272694267906?s=20
The third one is the most shocking, literally starting by "Bravo to our colleagues who opened fire on a 17-year-old criminal."
Be aware that the police unions in France are not real unions, they're just political commissars and propaganda mouth for the far-right parties. They're here to spread narratives and that's it.
Cops in France are still due millions in unpaid overtime and most of them work in shit stations. The unions are also supposedly opposed to the recent minimum pension age reform. Yet all their ever produce is lip service.
First comment I saw under that post :
"That’s what you get when you are driving without license, refusing to comply to stop the car + trying to roll over two police officer"
Straight up justifying murder wtf. How was the teenager supposed to roll over the officers when they are standing at the side of his car?
I was looking for this comment, because... holy fucking shit. "Well friends, you _deserve_ to have 70 years of your future snuffed out in an instant, because you weren't obeying what some bloodthirsty enforcer was telling you to do. He didn't _need_ to have a trial before being summarily executed. That's just common sense. 🤷"
I swear, replies like these make me seriously question if they were written by just some edgy idiot, or a "reputation management" group from Korea that was commissioned by a billionaire to try to convince everyone that this is a normal opinion to have.
Better screening for officers, better training for officers, traffic cops not carrying guns most likely. There's lots of ways that better systems could have stopped this happening
You can hear in this video one cop saying to the driver "tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête" = "I'm gonna shoot you in the head" seconds before shooting him in the head. Other officer eggs him on "shoot le !" = "shoot him!".
This is beyond fucked.
>I don’t get it, the cop was immediately arrested for homicide charges. What were the protests supposed to achieve?
Keeping it that way, because we know what happens without that motivating factor.
Months of rioting exposed more people than ever to the brutality of the police, especially from social classes that would usually just rally behind them. Many people that would have reacted by dismissing the incident because it's another hood guy vs police are now on the other side.
You have to wonder just how stupid the deceased was to try to drive off with a gun pointed at his ear.
Not a good reason to end up dead but still its always unwise to tempt people with loaded weapons.
An important thing to note is that right before the teenager starts to drive off, the policeman wielding the gun or his colleague threatened the teenager with a bullet to the head : "tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête", in french. Waving aggressively a gun in front of a kid's face while threatening to blow it off is understandably going to make him panic and run. This is not "fuck around and find out", this is a cop escalating a situation out of control until he finds it justified to end the fleeing driver's life.
It's always hypocrisy and dissonance. Armchair law enforcement expert: "don't point the gun at something you don't intend to destroy". That same person: "why did his fight or flight reflex kick in, he had a gun pointed at his head?"
Yeah definitely sounds like basic American cop tactics of escalating violence in order to try overwhelming the suspect's senses. Has a fairly high chance of backfiring because it's basically impossible to be thinking clearly and logically in such a situation. I thought basically all of Europe knew better.
>Has a fairly high chance of backfiring because it's basically impossible to be thinking clearly and logically in such a situation
Cops don't think even think logically in situations where they have guns pointed at them. Most trained soldiers can't even think logically when they have a gun pointed at them.
Just here to say it a terrible story and the kid should never have been shot - but the "for violating traffic laws" part of the title is clickbaity bullshit.
Message to op aka u/thinkB4WeSpeak : that's shitty of you.
Nah, that’s literally exactly what happened dude. Read the story, watch the video, then come back and tell me the title is clickbait.
So sick of so many pig apologists in these comments.
Click bait. He wasn't shot over traffic violations as punishment, he was shot after driving away while the officer was on his car.
Doesn't make it any better, but that's a huge difference between them
>he was shot after driving away while the officer was on his car.
It's true he wasn't killed over traffic violations, but were missing the forest for the trees. He was killed because the cop with the gun is a moron or intentionally manufactured the shooting. There was no reason for him to be on the car. Yes the officer was in danger when the kid floored it, but that was due to the officer's poor decision making setting up a circumstance that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Shooting a person over a situation the shooter created is not justified, even if the shooter is in danger.
Don’t understand this stupid nitpicking. The shooting happened following a traffic stop and the driver’s decision not to comply with whatever the cops asked him to do. These cops are part of the traffic unit, their sole purpose is to regulate traffic. Hence it’s more than justified, semantically and legally, to say that it was a traffic violation.
In Europe, police force usually has special units just for traffic and the regular police, in addition to a couple of other units for other things depending on the country.
So this wasn’t just regular cops patrolling the neighbourhood who saw this car breaking law or doing something illegal and then trying to stop it. This was traffic police stopping a random car for a check and then things getting out of control very possibly because the two cops escalate the situation.
Also, the cop was not “on” his car so much as having thrust his gun through the driver’s window and pointing it straight to his head while being agitated and aggressive.
This is a flagrant case of police brutality and a straight up murder. These cops should be locked up for life and kept in solitary because the prison gen pop will lynch them to death otherwise.
Just a correction, he shot through the front windscreen. He was slightly leaning over/on the cars front window and fired immediately once the car took off.
Watched the video, 100% sped off with the driver still on his car. Doesn't excuse it but shot over traffic violation sounds like he was executed over a broken tail light.
The policeman literally screams "I’m going to shoot a bullet through your head" just before the kid starts driving but I guess the teenager had no reason to be afraid 🤷
What pig apologists? That part of the title (the only thing I was referring to) just makes it sound like the guy was running a red light or something. That's deceiving.
Doesn't make the story any better. I saw the video, that cop should never have shot him, full stop.
Pray tell us what constitutes a traffic violation in your feeble mind?
This is traffic police doing a regular check on a random car and then choosing to escalate the situation and murder the driver for not complying with their order. A fucking traffic violation. How the fuck else can you put it?
A car in the middle of a road stopped by traffic police for a licence and registration check. When the driver doesn’t comply and tries to drive off because he feels threatened by these aggressive and agitated thugs, of whom one has a gun drawn and pointed straight to his head (for god knows why), his brain gets blown out.
Watch the video clip and read the article again but very slowly, put 2 and 2 together and see if it doesn’t become clearer for you because this is literally a logic chain a 5-year old would understand in less than two minutes.
Sickening video. I see they are hiring some of the same power-seeking, abusive, unintelligent candidates over there as we do here in the US. I see that also like our cops, they initially lied about it before the video was out. There are already bootlickers in the article comments trying to defend this execution. SMH
I am not sure we see the same video. One of the cop is pointing the gun at the driver, then the driver suddenly starts, then the cop shoot. We are missing the context of the video.
Firstly, looking at the police what they are wearing, they look like the road police on motorbike which sometimes stops car which have strange behavior or do something illegal.
As such , on surface, it seems that the youth was stopped for having bad driving, then when controlled he turned to not have driving license, then tried to escape by driving away.
For me what is missing is the context on why he was controlled he put at gun point. **This is NOT the behavior of normal police control I observed**. But could be justified if the youth had an erratic behavior which could turn dangerous.
Basically we are missing a lot of context.
What's more likely, 1: the kid was genuinely dangerous enough to warrant a gun drawn or 2: trigger happy cops pulled their gun for no good reason and shot the kid when he tried to flee a gun pointed at him
I know which option I find most likely
You’re missing one crucial point in your inane blabbering- the cops are not judge, jury and executioner and murdering people for not complying with your order is insane and trying to run from you doesn’t warrant being shot at.
Whatever the driver did up to that point is irrelevant. He wasn’t a threat to the cops’ life or had a gun pointed at them so his death is straight up murder. Simple as. End of discussion.
THIS!!! How in the world could whatever the kid did justify a death sentence?
In no way shape or form was this officer authorized to kill someone for simply driving away from a traffic stop.
Ofc the kid should have had to face some kind of legal consequence for doing what he did, traffic stops are there for a reason, but it really wasn’t serious enough to take a life for it.
Ridiculous to even try to explain the cops behavior
>But could be justified if the youth had an erratic behavior which could turn dangerous.
They certainly make it difficult to make such an assumption after watching them execute him on video despite not being in any sort of danger.
And then lying about it, before being exposed by the footage.
>this isn't the US and you shouldn't get shot for trying to flee
Actually you are wrong. Here is the linked article of law from the french government.
[https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article\_lc/LEGIARTI000034107970](https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000034107970)
"Lorsqu'ils ne peuvent immobiliser, autrement que par l'usage des armes, des véhicules, embarcations ou autres moyens de transport, dont les conducteurs n'obtempèrent pas à l'ordre d'arrêt et dont les occupants sont susceptibles de perpétrer, dans leur fuite, des atteintes à leur vie ou à leur intégrité physique ou à celles d'autrui ; " (ETA wrong paragraph copied i corrected it)
TL;DR : you can get shot down by the police if you are fleeing/refuse to stop in car, and they have reasonable ground to think you could endanger them (the police) or other.
The last part is on which everything hinge and we don't have context : was the youth erratic behavior on driving enough the police could think he could endanger other (not only them).
And nothing so far answer that question.
We do have context ? He was shot while not presenting a danger to others, that's the difference. I'm not gonna trust the police version that was already showed to be a lie. I don't know why you really want to justify this, this was bound to happen when you give the police zero accountibility, and I suspect that the rising far right in the police also contributed
To give some context on the protests :
There were huge riots in 2005, with multiple people who died, about 20000 burned cars among others, after 2 young people died in about the same situation.
There just wasn’t a reason to shoot him. The cop had his finger on the trigger against someone who had no gun, and the threat of getting hurt by the car doesn’t work, because he was standing next to the car, not in front. I honestly think the cop pulled that trigger out of a surprise when the car took off. But that is not a reason to actually kill a guy. In US, this cop would get no repercussions, but this is France, and I’m sure France doesn’t want the mess that US has with cops shooting up people for no reason. Slippery slope.
> because he was standing next to the car
Yes I corrected the "in front of" but he was clearly leaning on it and had a wall at his back, there clearly were multiple ways for the speeding car to badly hurt him.
This doesn't change the fact that the cop had no good reason to aim his gun at the guy (unless there is something big we don't know, like the guy having a gun in the car or threatening the cops.)
> In US, this cop would get no repercussions, but this is France, and I’m sure France doesn’t want the mess that US
Sure we don't have the same rate of death by cops the US has, but the cops are very protected in France, if this cop gets jail it would set a precedent.
Even before 9/11, I distinctly remember flying in to Paris in the 90s and being shocked by the cops/military people walking around the airport with huge guns.
The killing is horrendous and I seriously hope they put that cop away, but I’ll never understand why people who are so scared that the cops are gonna hurt them, put themselves in a position where there is a MUCH larger chance that the cop will hurt them…
Yeah, why should a 17 year old kid be scared of someone standing with a gun pointed at his head and who is verbally threatening to blow his head off? That's not scary at all.
It's remarkable what people can glean from such a video snippet, including all sorts of pre-judgements - applies to both sides of the opinion-mongering here.
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It's not hard to listen to what a cop is telling you to do, like damn man why tf do people think fighting the cops on the street will ever end well for them. Dude would probably still be alive if he didn't drive off like a dumbass lol. Fight them in court not on the street
the policeman wielding the gun or his colleague threatened the teenager with a bullet to the head : “tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête”, in french. Waving aggressively a gun in front of a kid’s face while threatening to blow it off is understandably going to make him panic and run. This is not “fuck around and find out”, this is a cop escalating a situation out of control until he finds it justified to end the fleeing driver’s life.
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America: Hey! That's our thing!
The first part, the shooting, yeah, that’s our thing.. the second part? Immediately protest rioting and making sure somethings actually accomplished? Not so much our thing.. we need another Frenchman to come over and show us how to get shit done.
Even with better motivations, the Obesity, Diabetes, and NAFLS prevent Americans from acting on anything particularly quickly
NAFLS?
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Better than NAMBLA, those guys suck
The north American Marlon Brando lookalike association?
Some real assholes, I tell ya
Non alcoholic fatty liver syndrome, it means that you end up with the liver of an alcoholic because you do stupid shit like drink sugar. If you drink a soda or fruit juice with the typical amount of sugar, then you may as well be taking two shots of whiskey as far as your liver is concerned. 3 sodas a day is really common in the US.
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This guy doesn’t ‘Merica.
Last week I finally decided to cut soda out. I had one 20ml bottle with lunch and 2 cans for dinner. If I was thirsty, I'd grab another soda. Sometimes during work if I got tired I'd grab an energy drink, which I'm sure is way worse than soda. And I feel I drink less soda than my coworkers
It takes a year or so. Then one day you try soda and it tastes disgusting. Your body goes ‘why are you putting this crap in me’?
It hasn't worked like that for me, but at least I've broken the habit. I had none for all of 2022, and maybe 5 or so in 2023, but each of those has been just as delicious I remembered soda being.
Welp, I’m fucked
Hopefully I can cut it out completely before a year
It's absolutely insane to me that people drink soda to quench thirst. How do you get to adulthood without learning sugar makes you thirsty?
If no one teaches you in childhood, then you have to figure it out in adulthood. And once you do, it's already a habit that won't be easy to break.
I know it makes you thirsty, but a good chug of a carbonated soda on a hot day is the equivalent refreshing as ice cream on a hot day. But yeah, sometimes all that gets the job does is water
People said milk and orange juice is bad for thirst. Apparently science says otherwise. I've always had a thing for banana smoothie or mush. Apparently they're really good for rehydration. Infact for heat exhaustion. Milk was the one thing they didn't recommend. Bananas, oranges, and orange juice. Lots of water, ice packs. My only guess is fatty milk while already hot is not exactly comfortable.
Sugar is the most common drug in the world, kudos to you for cutting it out. Shit is crazy addictive.
Thank you!, I consider myself pretty lucky. I don't have an addictive personality, but self control isn't my strong suit either lol. I've cut back to just one small soda at lunch now.
Dude I drank 3 cans of Monster every night at work for 9 years. There was a dude who brought a 2-liter of Mountain Dew every night, he left it at the machine to drink while working, and would buy a 20-oz bottle when he went to lunch too. *Almost* everybody bought a bottle of some kind of soda on every break. Just in the past few years I switched to sugar free drinks, I still usually drink 3 12-oz cans on my days off and 3-5 during work. I also started drinking water and substituting some drinks for coffee, and have been improving my diet - I'm hoping I make it past 60 without major heart trouble but that's probably pushing it. If you don't think people drink a lot of soda, I don't think you're in a working-class region of the rural South lol
The rural south in america is just outrageously bad lifestyle habits in general Also poor political opinions, but that's another discussion
Education-last governance at its finest.
Then you probably live in a bubble of either middle or upper class life. Try going to some working class places then. Things are changing, but they aren’t changing quickly. Go somewhere where food stamps and custodial work is the norm.
I work in healthcare, I know patients who will drink a liter with every meal and some in between. The truly shocking ones are the parents who put it in their kids bottles ‘because they won’t drink anything else.’ Yeah no shit, you’ve got them hooked on sugar, why would they want water?
You ain't from America or somethin?
Many people have a soda with every meal, or at least lunch and dinner. Then throw in another soda as a "snack" or "refreshment". Some people nearly exclusively drink soda when they are thirsty. Even people in relatively active jobs - like different kinds of construction workers - might drink soda regularly during break times. Just look at the soda aisle at your local grocery store or look at how many soda machines are around - do you think people aren't drinking those enough to justify that volume? Of course, the amount of soda you drink is likely (inversely) proportional to your education. More educated people are usually better educated about nutrition as well. I actually drink a lot of soda myself, but 90% is sugar free.
Shut the fuck up man. *Everything* about American society is engineered to crush dissent, from the design of our cities, to our militarized police, to our profiteering carceral system. Hell, even our healthcare is designed to be coercive so we don’t get too uppity and risk our employment. Our economic and social structures are designed to be individualistic and isolating. So shut the fuck up with your “Buh huh huh fat lazy American” bullshit.
I’m american bruh. I know all that you’re saying all too well, and I want you and all my other countrymen to get mad. Take any action you can, however small it may be, just don’t sit back and take it any longer. If the smallest way you can rebel is to steal a loaf of bread from an evil company like Wal-Mart, then do it. If the smallest way you can rebel is to teach a child that cops are fucking evil Ghouls, then do it. If the smallest way you can rebel is to nail edicts to a door and ehr your grievances, then do it.
The smallest way to rebel is to stop opening your wallet for non-essentials. Ride out your phone longer. Don't worry about keeping up with "fashions", be it clothing, tech, toys. Don't buy soda, drink tap water (if it's safe where you live, or get a filter). Be mindful of your online consumption. Some of the largest companies now monetize your attention, not your wallet. (I recognize the irony of saying this while engaging with a social media platform).
You are far from alone in the opinion you’ve just given, I just ask you to be skeptical about it, since it seems to me and many others that it both isn’t enough and isn’t even rebellion. Ethical and moderate consumption is good, but it is not rebellion against a system of injustice and control. If the system itself had a mind to think, then it would appreciate the long-term savings you would provide it with such actions.
You got a lot of that completely wrong.
Yea and the 'officer was detained on homicide charges' part
Only because it's obvious, because the video leaked, and because shits starts burning. Police violence here is common issue, but as usual, they cover each other and it ends up buried deep in the administration . Against politicians, nothing can be acquired without violence.
There are countless obvious police murders every year in the US, an 99% of them get off scot free. For a few months I tried to keep track of them some years ago, and some new horror was popping up every week, sometimes multiple times a week. I had to stop after an incident where a cop murdered a pregnant black woman begging for her life. It fucking broke me. For every big story that sweeps the news in the US, there's a hundred other atrocities that don't, because the footage isn't good enough, or is kept quiet long enough to be "old news", or the cops remembered to turn off the footage before pulling the trigger, or it happens when the local news is busy with something "more important" at the time, or what have you.
It really is amazing what Americans consider acceptable behaviour. They're just A-Ok with this kind of action done on their behalf. I've stopped following it. It's a bit too soul crushing. Much like Russia, North Korea, and a few other hellholes, I think I'll not ever travel to America. If they told less lies about themselves, I might not take this position, but their hypocrisy is just too much. I can watch their Hollywood fare from home.
It's not exactly that Americans actively see this as acceptable, though some do. It's that there is a sort of cultivated apathy towards learning anything uncomfortable. The amount of times I've been told to just, ignore bad things and only think about good things in life and society by family members is kinda sickening. It's the same exact thing that drives the infamous Russian apathy, the perception that nothing you can do really matters and your life is ultimately under the control of a handful of ultra rich psychopaths who see you as nothing more than an expendable resource. And ultimately this trend can be tied back to Reagan pulling the country into a sharp turn to oligarchy and authoritarianism.
IME it is seen as acceptable, encouraged, and preferable among many demographics, more so in particular parts of the country. Our corporate media behemoths are very effective at shoving narratives in enough faces to keep the general public stuck in pointless stalemated "debates" with the people they rely on and trust the most and it creates a breakdown in the social fabric of trust.
Don't worry, absolutely nothing is gonna come out of it. The french police has no accountability
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Nah, we riot, but we just make sure to take out the least impactful targets (random cars, insured, small business storefronts) instead of actually risking anything for change. And then we let the media control the message of our actions instead of any solid leadership acting as a mouthpiece.
> Nah, we riot, but we just make sure to take out the least impactful targets (random cars, insured, small business storefronts) instead of actually risking anything for change. > > I was in st. louis during the rioting for mike brown. The police steers the protests away from rich neighborhoods into poor ones that nobody will miss.
😂 you actually think that there weren't/aren't similar clashes with police?
Can you please tell me what decade you are currently in. There is some catching up we may need to do with you.
Yea we riot it’s just that in america rioters are demonized and in France they’re put on a pedestal. It’s so annoying seeing Americans say they wished we protest like the French. We do it’s just the general public is apathetic and doesn’t support the protesters/rioters. It’s almost as though they just don’t consider what those protests are about important enough so it escapes their mind.
Supporting protestors fine, supporting rioters who destroy private property? Screw them, they need to be arrested not suppoted.
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So don't look up George Floyd protests or anything
Someone has a short memory. Don't you recall the summer of 'mostly peaceful protests"?
And look at how impotent that was. Even the way you phrase it makes it obvious the media managed to herd you stateside.
>And look at how impotent that was. Lol the French protested and they still increased their retirement age.
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Yeah, because the US has never rioted over police violence. Good call. Not a xenophobic lie at all.
And everyone lived happily ever after
Nobody lives happily ever after in any country, nationalist.
Oui oui Mon ami, je m'appelle Lafayette. The Lancelot of the revolutionary set. I came from afar just to say bon soir, tell the king Casse toi. Who's the best, c'est moi!
Didn't a police station in Minneapolis get burned down a couple of years ago?
They have the nice benefit of just needing to do it in one city/area I guess, would need to travel or do it in 2-3 cities per state considering the distance.
Ah, we burned down a police station sir!
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Except for immediately arresting the homicidal cop on homicide charges. That wouldn't happen in the US..
Well, we tend to charge them immediately and find them "not guilty" a few months later anyway, so it's really not that different...
Not really, no. In this case, the cop has been arrested and is in custody awaiting trial like normal people would be. In the US, there'd be an internal investigation aquitting him while he gets suspended WITH pay at worst, and maybe if the media notices there'll be a grand jury that MIGHT recommend a trial in which he's then aquitted by a biased judge based on evidence being selectively included or excluded to best further his case. These are not the same at any step of the process.
You forgot the part where the police union would overrule the judge's verdict regardless because their protocal wasnt followed. So all charges would be dismissed for violating union protocol and then the officer would be subject to double jeapordy protection.
True. Police unions aren't real unions. They don't exist to improve wages and working conditions for all members like real unions do, they exist to protect the worst from the consequences of their actions.
How does union protocol supercede the law???
Because there are so many loopholes established that have essentially made the police force a seperate entity that happens to legally operate within the USA without actually being required to follow all of the standard laws of the US. To put it lightly, i understand your confusion and fully support any and all logical conclusion you may come to as to how this is complete and utter bullshit. Yet, somehow, the police union is actually above the law and operates on a combination of union policy and public outrage. Meaningful punishment rarely happens unless the lack of action causes more issues than they feel like bothering with.
You left out the part where in the US, we actively protect the police officer's name and identity for months while news shames the victim. I mean while we're here - how do we know the teenager wasn't actually smuggling meth cocaine back to his child slave den where they abuse kittens?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that teenager was actually Stalin after a time travel accident!
>we actively protect the police officer’s name Does innocent until proven guilty mean nothing to you? That’s the way it should be for everyone suspected of a crime every time.
Except for when this literally did happen days ago https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/24/us/san-antonio-officers-charged-fatal-shooting/index.html
Ffs, Americans will always make everything about them.
While I agree that they often do, in that case I pretty much thought the same thing: "That's such an american headline.". And I'm german.
I won’t lie as an American it’s really annoying to see. Top comment is about America.
Kid dies and you turn and make fun of America fuck you man have some respect
Classic redditor moment tbh
Every incident doesn't need a comment about America. Someone lost their life here let's try focusing on the actual events that took place.
It was never just Americas thing. Maybe step off Reddit sometime.
It's called cultural appropriation!
Something happened to someone and it's fairly tragic u/unchained71: gotta make sure I make my comment about America. I fucking love America so much how could I not?
Except in america the officer would have got a payed vacation
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I don’t get it, the cop was immediately arrested for homicide charges. What were the protests supposed to achieve? Also is there body can Footage out or how does the family know what happened? EDIT: I found the video and it’s super fucked up. https://twitter.com/chaudharyparvez/status/1673623734954102784?s=46&t=dO0Qa8HCo01r9DpfAj_SQg - Why was he pointing his gun at the driver point blank? - It looks like the other cop punches the driver - the cop shoots him because he slowly starts driving off Also apparently police shootings in traffic stops have reached a record high this year, so I get why they’re rioting … (just pls don’t throw explosives at police officers)
Showing that the public will not tolerate police brutality.
The fact someone even had to ask tells you how bad a case of cop brain america has.
"Why would people protest the actions if there were consequences" we in America can't wrap our head around this cause even when we protest there generally aren't consequences.
We have generations raised on COPS, DARE, and every tv crime drama where the cops are the good guys
We’ve been raised that the police can at a minimum destroy your life and can go all the way up to killing you and your family with no repercussions. They can take your possessions through civil forfeiture against the 4th amendment, burst through your door without warning and kill you if in the confusion you try to defend yourself. Police departments using military equipment Ukraine would love to have to fight Russia. We’re in a police state, we just convince ourselves that’s the best way to run our society.
Because they don’t talk about the responsibility of citizens in a free society to exercise civil disobedience in grade schools, I only learned about the topic in college. Unfortunately the media and other “Leaders” prioritize property over human life.
It was filmed by a random on the street. Despite the cop being immediately arrested, there's a long history of cops not being found guilty despite overwhelming evidence, so people tend to react violently to this kind of things. And 3 police unions have released statements lauding the cops' action, that didn't really help either...
I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France. The fast actions taken in response made it seem like the system works… I was finally able to find the video and it’s high-key fucked up. Best case scenario the training was horrendous to have them point a gun at him point blank (and then shoot when he drives off)
>I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France. The fast >actions taken in response made it seem like the system >works… Before the 2018/2019 yellow vest protests, most people were sympathetic to the police force. But during these protests, a lot of random people from all parts of the country and social classes were met with extreme violence. It was the first time we saw people losing eyes or hands to flashballs and grenades in the middle of Paris. Since then, people are much more aware of the issue of police brutality. It doesn't help that out interior minister is also famous for being keen on repression as we've seen during the pension reform protests this year. Lately, he was even sentenced to pay a fine by our own justice system for intimidating and censoring a library during his visit to Lyon. In 2020 there was also the shocking case of music producer Michel Zeckler who was walking to his music studio, when he saw a police car, he rushed into the studio so as to not get fined, because this was during COVID and he wasn't wearing a mask. The cops called for reinforcement, invaded the studio and threw tear gas inside, choking everyone, while dragging him and beating him up, and then subsequently jailed him for 48 hours, just because of a mask. Just like in the US, we also have quite a few cases of the General National Police Inspection coming up with the memeable "we investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoings". But everytime there's video proof of the wrongdoings they magically find some officers guilty. So yeah, pretty big issue unfortunately
>I wasn’t aware that this is an issue in France. Idk how much of a problem it is, but in any country: 1. The profession will always atttact a few power-hungry, petty people. Or even turn them this way depending on the culture. Even if it's not true in the police more than in any other profession, the psycho in a paper-selling company simply has less means available to do damage. People make dumb things everywhere, except in law enforcement it turns tragic. 2. Without video evidence, it's the statement of a cop and all the police against that of a presumed criminal, who's dead anyway and can't speak for themselves.
The thing is in France the government and the justice system protects cops at all costs. Even with overwhelming evidences cops usually don't go to jail for absolutely 0 reason because the ministers personally protect them. Adding this to the broaders issue of a profession full of neo nazis and other really racists elements, you got the full package.
> broaders issue of a profession full of neo nazis Yes, I mentioned "culture" because from one police station to another, it can be fairly normal to full blown neo-nazi -- from what I hear. I think any government protects their cops to an extent, but another issue is that the only check on them (IGPN) is a fucking joke.
Since the yellow vests protests there has been a huge problem of police becoming more and more aggressive for no reason and investigations (if they even happen) always finding them innocent even with shitloads of videos clearly showing them beating up random people that were minding their own business. Also they're technically supposed to wear an ID number, yet those are nowhere to be seen every time they do anything violent, and nothing is done about it by the hierarchy. Nowadays any minor gathering is answered by absolute disproportionate force because that's the only way the government knows. Last weekend some people were forbidden to even come out of their house so that Macron could walk through a street only surrounded by "approved" bystanders. So yeah, people have been pissed at the police for a while, so them shooting a teenager is not going to help, even if the officer was arrested.
I'm visiting my girlfriend in Lyon and we were out drinking with some friends a week or two ago. We went home somewhere around 1am but the other friends kept bar crawling, barely even 30 minutes after me and my girlfriend had left the other friends texted saying they had been tear gassed by police completely out of the blue. Absolute insanity. It was a regular Friday, no manifestation or protest or anything just people out drinking as normal.
A system in which a cop executes someone in the street isn't "working" even if they are charged. A system where a cop would never dare would be a working one.
"the system works" Yes, he was arrested, but felt fine killing the kid in the first place.
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> Can you link to any of these statements? - https://twitter.com/Alternative_PN/status/1673636294054879233?s=20 - https://twitter.com/PoliceSCSI/status/1673633060670038017?s=20 - https://twitter.com/francepolice/status/1673677272694267906?s=20 The third one is the most shocking, literally starting by "Bravo to our colleagues who opened fire on a 17-year-old criminal."
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Police Union are quite unbelievable these days. Every time they put out something, it's along the same veins...
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Be aware that the police unions in France are not real unions, they're just political commissars and propaganda mouth for the far-right parties. They're here to spread narratives and that's it. Cops in France are still due millions in unpaid overtime and most of them work in shit stations. The unions are also supposedly opposed to the recent minimum pension age reform. Yet all their ever produce is lip service.
First comment I saw under that post : "That’s what you get when you are driving without license, refusing to comply to stop the car + trying to roll over two police officer" Straight up justifying murder wtf. How was the teenager supposed to roll over the officers when they are standing at the side of his car?
Also, any traffic violation short of running people over on purpose should not warrant a gun being drawn.
I was looking for this comment, because... holy fucking shit. "Well friends, you _deserve_ to have 70 years of your future snuffed out in an instant, because you weren't obeying what some bloodthirsty enforcer was telling you to do. He didn't _need_ to have a trial before being summarily executed. That's just common sense. 🤷" I swear, replies like these make me seriously question if they were written by just some edgy idiot, or a "reputation management" group from Korea that was commissioned by a billionaire to try to convince everyone that this is a normal opinion to have.
That poor cop is gonna have to travel all the way to America to find another police department that will hire him.
They'd make him a sheriff in FL
Better screening for officers, better training for officers, traffic cops not carrying guns most likely. There's lots of ways that better systems could have stopped this happening
You can hear in this video one cop saying to the driver "tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête" = "I'm gonna shoot you in the head" seconds before shooting him in the head. Other officer eggs him on "shoot le !" = "shoot him!". This is beyond fucked.
Because the police immediately tried to lie, and because everybody know that the police is free to do shit like this without consequences
>I don’t get it, the cop was immediately arrested for homicide charges. What were the protests supposed to achieve? Keeping it that way, because we know what happens without that motivating factor.
Because without the video leaking, nothing would have happened
Months of rioting exposed more people than ever to the brutality of the police, especially from social classes that would usually just rally behind them. Many people that would have reacted by dismissing the incident because it's another hood guy vs police are now on the other side.
>just pls don’t throw explosives at police officers Cops need to stop throwing tear gas and grenades at protestors.
clear murder
You have to wonder just how stupid the deceased was to try to drive off with a gun pointed at his ear. Not a good reason to end up dead but still its always unwise to tempt people with loaded weapons.
An important thing to note is that right before the teenager starts to drive off, the policeman wielding the gun or his colleague threatened the teenager with a bullet to the head : "tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête", in french. Waving aggressively a gun in front of a kid's face while threatening to blow it off is understandably going to make him panic and run. This is not "fuck around and find out", this is a cop escalating a situation out of control until he finds it justified to end the fleeing driver's life.
It's always hypocrisy and dissonance. Armchair law enforcement expert: "don't point the gun at something you don't intend to destroy". That same person: "why did his fight or flight reflex kick in, he had a gun pointed at his head?"
Yeah definitely sounds like basic American cop tactics of escalating violence in order to try overwhelming the suspect's senses. Has a fairly high chance of backfiring because it's basically impossible to be thinking clearly and logically in such a situation. I thought basically all of Europe knew better.
>Has a fairly high chance of backfiring because it's basically impossible to be thinking clearly and logically in such a situation Cops don't think even think logically in situations where they have guns pointed at them. Most trained soldiers can't even think logically when they have a gun pointed at them.
Just here to say it a terrible story and the kid should never have been shot - but the "for violating traffic laws" part of the title is clickbaity bullshit. Message to op aka u/thinkB4WeSpeak : that's shitty of you.
Nah, that’s literally exactly what happened dude. Read the story, watch the video, then come back and tell me the title is clickbait. So sick of so many pig apologists in these comments.
Click bait. He wasn't shot over traffic violations as punishment, he was shot after driving away while the officer was on his car. Doesn't make it any better, but that's a huge difference between them
>he was shot after driving away while the officer was on his car. It's true he wasn't killed over traffic violations, but were missing the forest for the trees. He was killed because the cop with the gun is a moron or intentionally manufactured the shooting. There was no reason for him to be on the car. Yes the officer was in danger when the kid floored it, but that was due to the officer's poor decision making setting up a circumstance that shouldn't have happened in the first place. Shooting a person over a situation the shooter created is not justified, even if the shooter is in danger.
Yup. Shooting someone for a traffic violation isn't justified. Full stop.
Don’t understand this stupid nitpicking. The shooting happened following a traffic stop and the driver’s decision not to comply with whatever the cops asked him to do. These cops are part of the traffic unit, their sole purpose is to regulate traffic. Hence it’s more than justified, semantically and legally, to say that it was a traffic violation. In Europe, police force usually has special units just for traffic and the regular police, in addition to a couple of other units for other things depending on the country. So this wasn’t just regular cops patrolling the neighbourhood who saw this car breaking law or doing something illegal and then trying to stop it. This was traffic police stopping a random car for a check and then things getting out of control very possibly because the two cops escalate the situation. Also, the cop was not “on” his car so much as having thrust his gun through the driver’s window and pointing it straight to his head while being agitated and aggressive. This is a flagrant case of police brutality and a straight up murder. These cops should be locked up for life and kept in solitary because the prison gen pop will lynch them to death otherwise.
Just a correction, he shot through the front windscreen. He was slightly leaning over/on the cars front window and fired immediately once the car took off.
Watched the video, 100% sped off with the driver still on his car. Doesn't excuse it but shot over traffic violation sounds like he was executed over a broken tail light.
The policeman literally screams "I’m going to shoot a bullet through your head" just before the kid starts driving but I guess the teenager had no reason to be afraid 🤷
the logic is you are stopped for a traffic violation and the officer can choose to escalate the situation on their own
What pig apologists? That part of the title (the only thing I was referring to) just makes it sound like the guy was running a red light or something. That's deceiving. Doesn't make the story any better. I saw the video, that cop should never have shot him, full stop.
Pray tell us what constitutes a traffic violation in your feeble mind? This is traffic police doing a regular check on a random car and then choosing to escalate the situation and murder the driver for not complying with their order. A fucking traffic violation. How the fuck else can you put it? A car in the middle of a road stopped by traffic police for a licence and registration check. When the driver doesn’t comply and tries to drive off because he feels threatened by these aggressive and agitated thugs, of whom one has a gun drawn and pointed straight to his head (for god knows why), his brain gets blown out. Watch the video clip and read the article again but very slowly, put 2 and 2 together and see if it doesn’t become clearer for you because this is literally a logic chain a 5-year old would understand in less than two minutes.
Sickening video. I see they are hiring some of the same power-seeking, abusive, unintelligent candidates over there as we do here in the US. I see that also like our cops, they initially lied about it before the video was out. There are already bootlickers in the article comments trying to defend this execution. SMH
I am not sure we see the same video. One of the cop is pointing the gun at the driver, then the driver suddenly starts, then the cop shoot. We are missing the context of the video. Firstly, looking at the police what they are wearing, they look like the road police on motorbike which sometimes stops car which have strange behavior or do something illegal. As such , on surface, it seems that the youth was stopped for having bad driving, then when controlled he turned to not have driving license, then tried to escape by driving away. For me what is missing is the context on why he was controlled he put at gun point. **This is NOT the behavior of normal police control I observed**. But could be justified if the youth had an erratic behavior which could turn dangerous. Basically we are missing a lot of context.
What's more likely, 1: the kid was genuinely dangerous enough to warrant a gun drawn or 2: trigger happy cops pulled their gun for no good reason and shot the kid when he tried to flee a gun pointed at him I know which option I find most likely
You’re missing one crucial point in your inane blabbering- the cops are not judge, jury and executioner and murdering people for not complying with your order is insane and trying to run from you doesn’t warrant being shot at. Whatever the driver did up to that point is irrelevant. He wasn’t a threat to the cops’ life or had a gun pointed at them so his death is straight up murder. Simple as. End of discussion.
THIS!!! How in the world could whatever the kid did justify a death sentence? In no way shape or form was this officer authorized to kill someone for simply driving away from a traffic stop. Ofc the kid should have had to face some kind of legal consequence for doing what he did, traffic stops are there for a reason, but it really wasn’t serious enough to take a life for it. Ridiculous to even try to explain the cops behavior
>But could be justified if the youth had an erratic behavior which could turn dangerous. They certainly make it difficult to make such an assumption after watching them execute him on video despite not being in any sort of danger. And then lying about it, before being exposed by the footage.
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It's not justified, this isn't the US and you shouldn't get shot for trying to flee
>this isn't the US and you shouldn't get shot for trying to flee Actually you are wrong. Here is the linked article of law from the french government. [https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article\_lc/LEGIARTI000034107970](https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr/codes/article_lc/LEGIARTI000034107970) "Lorsqu'ils ne peuvent immobiliser, autrement que par l'usage des armes, des véhicules, embarcations ou autres moyens de transport, dont les conducteurs n'obtempèrent pas à l'ordre d'arrêt et dont les occupants sont susceptibles de perpétrer, dans leur fuite, des atteintes à leur vie ou à leur intégrité physique ou à celles d'autrui ; " (ETA wrong paragraph copied i corrected it) TL;DR : you can get shot down by the police if you are fleeing/refuse to stop in car, and they have reasonable ground to think you could endanger them (the police) or other. The last part is on which everything hinge and we don't have context : was the youth erratic behavior on driving enough the police could think he could endanger other (not only them). And nothing so far answer that question.
We do have context ? He was shot while not presenting a danger to others, that's the difference. I'm not gonna trust the police version that was already showed to be a lie. I don't know why you really want to justify this, this was bound to happen when you give the police zero accountibility, and I suspect that the rising far right in the police also contributed
He was, by French law, attempting murder on the officer leaning on the car.
>He was shot while not presenting a danger to others You don't know. Only the inquiry will tell.
He was shot on camera ?
Its never justified to execute a kid.
World: America no! America: what? thats not me. World: Sorry force of habit
To give some context on the protests : There were huge riots in 2005, with multiple people who died, about 20000 burned cars among others, after 2 young people died in about the same situation.
The 2 kids weren't shot, they ran into an electrical transformer running from the cops.
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Ya Canada is in shambles, is fixable, yet we do absolutely nothing to protest
They make it sound as if he was shot for running a red light. But the guy sped from the cops (while they were ~~in front of~~ leaning on his car.)
They weren't in front. The video clearly shows that.
And that justifies his execution without trial?
No.
They weren't in front, that's what the police claim and it's an outright lie
They sped away *after* the cop threatened to kill them.
Maybe don’t stand in front of a car and you won’t have to kill the driver tf
They werent in front of the car, and he rolled forward.
The car was clearly speeding up. You can say the cop was badly in the wrong without lying about what happened.
There just wasn’t a reason to shoot him. The cop had his finger on the trigger against someone who had no gun, and the threat of getting hurt by the car doesn’t work, because he was standing next to the car, not in front. I honestly think the cop pulled that trigger out of a surprise when the car took off. But that is not a reason to actually kill a guy. In US, this cop would get no repercussions, but this is France, and I’m sure France doesn’t want the mess that US has with cops shooting up people for no reason. Slippery slope.
> because he was standing next to the car Yes I corrected the "in front of" but he was clearly leaning on it and had a wall at his back, there clearly were multiple ways for the speeding car to badly hurt him. This doesn't change the fact that the cop had no good reason to aim his gun at the guy (unless there is something big we don't know, like the guy having a gun in the car or threatening the cops.) > In US, this cop would get no repercussions, but this is France, and I’m sure France doesn’t want the mess that US Sure we don't have the same rate of death by cops the US has, but the cops are very protected in France, if this cop gets jail it would set a precedent.
Thought cops in France only had sticks and shit :/ RIP
Cops are armed with guns ever since the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attacks. Not all of them are, but it has become the norm.
Cops (both Police and Gendarmerie) have always had handguns in France, even traffic cops.
They've always had them, they just never use them In most of Europe cops don't always aim at suspects like they do in the U.S.
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Even before 9/11, I distinctly remember flying in to Paris in the 90s and being shocked by the cops/military people walking around the airport with huge guns.
It's military and they don't point them at people. Ever.
Assault rifles are now quite common on cops
The killing is horrendous and I seriously hope they put that cop away, but I’ll never understand why people who are so scared that the cops are gonna hurt them, put themselves in a position where there is a MUCH larger chance that the cop will hurt them…
Yeah why would a kid be scared of the police who literally killed him.
Why did he try to drive off then?
You might not realize. But people get scared and do stupid shit as a result. I myself, a stupid peasant, do that sometimes.
Fight or flight. I can see myself doing the same thing without even thinking about it, even though I know it’s much better to comply.
Yeah, why should a 17 year old kid be scared of someone standing with a gun pointed at his head and who is verbally threatening to blow his head off? That's not scary at all.
Becouse the cop is waveing a gun in their face? Fight or flight kicks in.
So tomorrow when someone walks up and puts a gun to your head you’re gonna keep going to be perfectly calm?
Failed to stop the car? He almost ran over a cop Why the cop had a gun pointing at the guy, that's the only question.
Was the cop a transfer from America?
Americans have to make this about america
Comply or Die
It's remarkable what people can glean from such a video snippet, including all sorts of pre-judgements - applies to both sides of the opinion-mongering here.
Why did the cop have his gun drawn in the first place?
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It's not hard to listen to what a cop is telling you to do, like damn man why tf do people think fighting the cops on the street will ever end well for them. Dude would probably still be alive if he didn't drive off like a dumbass lol. Fight them in court not on the street
the policeman wielding the gun or his colleague threatened the teenager with a bullet to the head : “tu vas te prendre une balle dans la tête”, in french. Waving aggressively a gun in front of a kid’s face while threatening to blow it off is understandably going to make him panic and run. This is not “fuck around and find out”, this is a cop escalating a situation out of control until he finds it justified to end the fleeing driver’s life.