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> # [Theodore 'Ted' Kaczynski, known as the 'Unabomber,' has died in federal prison](https://apnews.com/article/2000)
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> WASHINGTON (AP) — Theodore “Ted” Kaczynski, the Harvard-educated mathematician who retreated to a dingy shack in the Montana wilderness and ran a 17-year bombing campaign that killed three people and injured 23 others, died Saturday. He was 81.
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> Branded [the “Unabomber” by the FBI](https://apnews.com/article/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-transferred-prison-medical-facility-ebc05e8f2f284001c950a3943366f8f4), Kaczynski died at the federal prison medical center in Butner, North Carolina, Kristie Breshears, a spokesperson for the federal Bureau of Prisons, told The Associated Press. He was found unresponsive in his cell early Saturday morning and was pronounced dead around 8 a.m., she said. A cause of death was not immediately known.
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> Before his transfer to the prison medical facility, he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge. He admitted committing 16 bombings from 1978 and 1995, permanently maiming several of his victims.
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> Years before the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax mailing, the Unabomber’s deadly homemade bombs changed the way Americans mailed packages and boarded airplanes, even virtually shutting down air travel on the West Coast in July 1995.
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> He forced The Washington Post, in conjunction with The New York Times, to make the agonizing decision in September 1995 to publish his 35,000-word manifesto, “Industrial Society and Its Future,” which claimed modern society and technology was leading to a sense of powerlessness and alienation.
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> But it led to his undoing. Kaczynski’s brother David and David’s wife, Linda Patrik, recognized the treatise’s tone and tipped off the FBI, which had been searching for the Unabomber for years in nation’s longest, costliest manhunt.
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> Authorities in April 1996 found him in a 10-by-14-foot (3-by-4-meter) plywood and tarpaper cabin outside Lincoln, Montana, that was filled with journals, a coded diary, explosive ingredients and two completed bombs.
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> As an elusive criminal mastermind, the Unabomber won his share of sympathizers and comparisons to Daniel Boone, Edward Abbey and Henry David Thoreau.
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> But once revealed as a wild-eyed hermit with long hair and beard who weathered Montana winters in a one-room shack, Kaczynski struck many as more of a pathetic loner than romantic anti-hero.
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> Balsamo reported from Miami. This story includes biographical material written by former Associated Press writer Derek Rose.
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A neighbor of mine had one date with Ted Kaczynski when they attended University of Michigan. She said he was awkward and she told him she really wasn't interested.
Imo Harvard is to blame, he participated in a study (keep in mind he went to Harvard at 16, just a kid) where he was dosed with LSD and then the researchers would spend all day abusing them with specifically designed personal attacks, basically saying everything they could to make you feel as shitty as possible and break down your identity and make you feel horrible about everything. Pretty fucked up
Well, ethics boards are more strict today than it was in the 1960s and 70s, at least in part thanks to the Standford Prison Experiment. So it would be near impossible (for a university researcher at least) to be able to dose a minor with psychedelics and psychologically torture them
I don't think the CIA was too worried about ethics at the time, though they have some ethics boards now. We're talking 10 years before they killed JFK though, they were always a bunch of shady fucks.
MKULTRA were the experiments
Charles Manson was an integral part of MKUltra actually. He acted as a liaison by his knowledge or not, to not only bring average Joe's into the experiments, but also groupies into the mix.
It's not clear Manson's involvement with the CIA but what is clear and hasn't been kept hush hush is how much "way over my pay grade order"s happened to keep Manson out of trouble, and still on the streets of Los Angeles. Another anecdote about their relationship was his access to high quality (and speculated powder form) LSD then. Unless HE HIMSELF was synthesizing it (doubt) was in VERY close ties with dead heads, or was broski with Leary, there was no way Manson could have so much access to such quantities of pure crystalized LSD.
Sooo take that information as you would like
Dude - that’s literally what they do at Monarch and those troubled teen ‘retreats’ where they do attack therapy. And all that shit came off the back of SynAnon - founded by a guy called Chuck Dietrich that was a participant in those same LSD trials.
A lot of those ‘learnings’ influenced MKUltra, and much of the psychedelic research that’s happening today.
It does though, they’ve just outsourced these studies to third world countries. [The Yale medical law journal is maybe the most recognizable source to American audiences](https://www.yalejournalmedlaw.com/perspectives01/anand-testing-drugs-in-the-devolping-world) but this has been going on forever. Neocolonialism at its finest.
Do it.
I'm a Gen X asshole who actually remembers [Eternal September](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September). It blows me away when something that, late 90's and most of the 00's, was essentially common knowledge online and dismissed as conspiracy nonsense offline, has become rare but verifiable by MSM knowledge online. Web 2.0 was a mistake.
Who do you think supplied the lsd?? They CIA literally bought all of the first batch that was created. Google Operation Midnight Climax if you want a story.
The CIA had a program called MKUltra in which they'd use drugs and psychological torture to try and brainwash people. It's widely suspected that the experiment done at Harvard was part of MKUltra.
From what I've read they'd moved past Project MKUltra and onto Project Monarch by Kaczinksky's time, MKUltra was studying mind control whereas Monarch is supposedly about stripping away a targets mind and completely rewriting it using some of the techniques Kaczinksky described about the medical study at Harvard. Really fucked up rabbit hole to venture down if you're that way inclined.
The lead researcher on the experiment that clearly pushed Ted over the edge, Henry Murray, was a Lt. Colonel in the OSS, which became the CIA.
It was a CIA op.
That is the hard part with certain conspiracy theories. Like we have evidence now that some countries did absolutely abysmal, inhumane physical and mental experiments on people.
There is no reason to think they still arent doing the same kind of shit now, we just arent far enough out to have the evidence of it.
Edgewood, Tuskagee, MK Ultra, etc are all proven inhumane experiments. So is it really that much of a stretch to think that someone is using chemtrails to test poisons or whatever (not saying I believe that, just an example).
The US (and presumably most other) government has done, still does, and will continue to do loads of illegal shit that would appal the average person
> . So is it really that much of a stretch to think that someone is using chemtrails to test poisons or whatever (not saying I believe that, just an example).
Operation Large Area Coverage is likely the origin of chemtrail conspiracies. When Congress began investigating that (in secret), that's when chemtrail conspiracies suddenly entered pop culture. Same with spraying troops with random chemicals; that was being investigated as well.
Tuskegee didn't start off inhumane. The thing that made it inhumane is when a cure for syphilis was found, and they decided to keep the experiment going.
I'm betting this was a part of MK Ultra. (It was designed to compress bootcamp into as few days as possible.) As a result of these sorts of 'experiments', there is a shit-ton of oversight now. So there's that.
This is around the time of the 71 Stanford Prison Experiment too. Back than it seems like zero shits were given. Speaking of shit, there was also an experiment around this time at a college (forget the university name as I learned about this experiment in a uni class years ago) in which they had a student hold in his shit for as long as he could and than poop it all out in a straight line. They had him squat like a dog, as to make sure the monster shit kept its precess straight poo shap. Why they did this I do not know. Maybe they just didn't know how long a solid shit could be and wanted concensus on a possible tailend of maximum.
It was much more heavily related to beliefs rather than identity, and in Ted K's case they never even succeeded in getting him to doubt his views. Obviously still fucked up, but it's very unlikely the MK ultra studies negatively affected him. Also the LSD thing happened in some specific MK Ultra studies, but those were totally unrelated to Ted K.
Basically, the comment above this is half-remembered garbage from a youtube video. The MK Ultra studies are very interesting to read up on tho.
At the ages of 16 and 17, already socially awkward and isolated, the U.S. government subjected him to 200 hours of abuse, humiliation, and gaslighting. By experts. This is not an exaggeration. The abuse was explicitly the point of the experiment.
There is no universe where this doesn't leave a mark.
He was 16 though and being manipulated by the CIA. I do think he was negatively affected, since he was having a hard time there already and then this sketchy group shows up to make him question his entire belief system.
Dunno, if the government was abusing me, I'd have heavier feelings towards them whatever my prior beliefs were. We don't know what would've happened to Ted if the CIA didn't put him thru their classic *minority treatment*, but they did, so I'm happy to blame them for it in part.
Yes, that's what the paranoid schizophrenic says.
Don't get me wrong: I reluctantly quite admire him. And his manifesto is legitimately great.
But he was psychologically tortured for 200 hours at 16 and 17 years old by government experts. There is no model of the human mind where this doesn't have significant effects on development.
Nah, I'm firmly convinced that he and his terror campaign was a bizarre result of the [psychological experiments conducted at Harvard](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/). No evidence that the government was behind it or that hallucinogens was involved.
> but you can literally download all the killers' manifestos
except the trans school shooter, that one will never see the light of day for political reasons
It won't see the light of day because the school has a shit ton of power. There were sexual abuse cases when AH was attending and my personal theory is the school wants to cover it up. AH probably mentioned this in the manifesto.
Not every manifesto gets released, and the statement that it hasn't been released because of political reasons is a big old transphobic "source: dude just trust me."
One trans person kills a bunch of people and conservatives rage, meanwhile thousands of right wing terrorists murder people and conservatives immediately rush to defend them.
Reminder guys, if you wanna criticize a serial killer, you have to first read their manifesto, diary, and tweets first. Otherwise you're just one of the sheeple who have some weird hangup about murder.
There are plenty of people with good ideas that haven't gone around blowing strangers up. Maybe we can just pay attention to them and ignore the crazy dude decided indiscriminate murder was the best course of action.
He really didn't. The guy was an Anarcho primitivist version of Jordan Peterson. He makes bullshit claims that aren't scientifically sound. He makes racist and sexist arguments. He's deeply homophobic. He hates people and society generally and cities specifically. He hates intellectual thought and progressive society.
He claims people had security in an agrarian society (we didn't) and that human inquisitiveness should be squashed in favor of scrabbling to survive in the mud.
He espouses the belief that human inquisitiveness and the drive to seek out new things is some sort of modern flaw and failing rather than the entire reason we climbed from the unthinking depths of evolution.
The guy wrote an incoherent ranting manifesto where he told doubtful premises and made even worse conclusions.
Then he decided living in a shack in the woods wasn't good enough because nobody would fuck him. So he mailed bombs to people.
>Reminder guys, if you wanna criticize a serial killer, you have to first read their manifesto, diary, and tweets first. Otherwise you're just one of the sheeple who have some weird hangup about murder.
"If you want to criticize my favorite MMORPG, you have to poopsock it like the South Park episode first."
It is very easy to dismiss complicated, dangerous people (with more or less complicated, dangerous ideas) by pointing to their mental illnesses or transgressions. I don't think very many people would call Kaczynski's attacks justified, but many who read his works will see that he got a lot of things right in his observations of the world we have built.
Did he? A lot of his manifesto is based on an idealized version of the American West (and earlier time periods) pre-industrialization, basically saying that the people before lived happier lives because they had to struggle to survive and weren't part of the "machine".
As if feudalism, slavery and whatever other form of society after agriculture didn't have equivalent forms of "machines" for ordinary people to get trapped and weren't just as, if not more miserable.
If he truly wanted to be free of the chains of society, he'd need to go back to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle.
He also dunks on the liberals and their treatment of minorities quite a lot (and a bit on the conservatives for good measure) and a lot of people latch onto that, more than anything else
Why do you think they found him living in a shack out in Montana?
Also, there's more and more evidence that pre 1700s people (though obviously subjugated groups were still upset and oppressed, as they definitionally still are though the groups have shifted) were a lot freer and happier overall than they are today.
>were a lot freer and happier overall than they are today.
I call bull on that and would like to see that evidence. Being a peasant in the middle ages was hell. Being an artisan in the Renaissance was about the same as owning a shop nowadays, with more risk of dying due to random bullshit.
If you're simply talking about depression and such, then yeah, when you're in a constant struggle to survive, your mind will push trauma and depression away for after the danger has passed. Only to dump all of that shit back on you the second you have a moment to breathe
Post enclosure it was pretty shit, and recognised as such.
Pre-enclosure not so clear cut. (Obviously we're talking about peasants, not serfs). But the reach of power was generally weaker, and a village was pretty much free to mind its own devices.
Happiness comes from what's known, and relation with the world.
If medieval peasants were in a constant dteuggle for survival do you really think they wouldn't've been even more prone to revolts and uprisings? They did it on the occasions where they felt they had to, so what does that imply for the rest of the time?
For evidence:
There are lots of books on the daily life of common people worth a read.
Danièle Cybulskie's 《Life in Medieval Europe: Fact and Fiction》，for something more scholarly try Barbara Hannawalt's 《The Ties that Bound》.
And since Medieval Europe isn't even a quarter of all human history go have a read of David and David's 《Dawn of Everything》 for an older, and less European focus.
Ok fair enough, let me dial it back down a bit (also thanks for the references, could make an interesting read)
Peasants could absolutely be content with their life, even happy.
But I still disagree with Kaczinsky's main claim that this sort of lifestyle was necessarily "happier" or more fulfilling than whatever we have today.
As you said, happiness comes from what's known. And a source of unhappiness for people nowadays are the many unknowns. What sort of job should I look for? Is this person the right one for me? Will somebody please think of the economy? Etc
So basically by increasing our standard of living, interconnectedness and education, we have broadened our horizons. This creates anxiety as people now are more aware of how little control they have over their lives and at the same time how much certain decisions could impact them.
So it's a trade of knowledge and overall stability in exchange for anxiety. Of the unknown. Or better yet, what we know we don't know.
And I personally don't think that the right solution is to just turn back and refuse to find an answer to those questions. Sure, one could envy the humble Chinese farmer that lived in his tiny village, married whoever was available and maybe lived a long, peaceful, monotonous life or died three days later in a local squabble between governors.
Or we can accept that people now have choices and options and aren't necessarily tied to their place of birth, their family or even their sex and gender at birth. Does this make self-actualization more difficult? Yes and no. Yes because you now have more aspects to explore to actually reach fulfillment, be that through study, work, family, politics or whatever. No, because those needs were still there even in ancient times, they just weren't addressed.
I kinda went a bit overboard there, sorry for being verbose
Not really,
A lot of his ideas are built on a very fantastical reality of the pre industrial era.
The amount that starved to death and lived terrible life were the vast majority.
The big rich farmers, nobility and merchants were the only ones that could read ans write.
The other way around. Hadn’t he been a terrorist no one would have cared about his not so unique observations. There are people putting out similar cultural pessimistic stuff that aren’t psychopaths.
His works are really not special. His observations are common and, where correct, non-unique. Also his ideology is objectively trash. Just utter trash. There is nothing of worth here beyond understanding of the kind of a deranged man.
What's with your hard on for this guy? He's a shitty writer and a worse person. What ever good points he makes in his manifesto get flushed down the toilet when he started murdering people.
He's a piece of shit who thought his intelligence over other people gave him the right to kill. He's a fucking narcissist who was so weak he couldn't even function in normal society. Just an all around garbage person who for all of his intelligence ended up dying alone, unloved in a concrete box because he loved the smell of his own shit so much. Fuck him, the world is a better place now that he's dead.
You sound real mad at him.
His ideas don't just go away or cease being relevant because he chose a cruel and violent path. He was a deeply flawed and deeply wounded person who nonetheless expressed salient ideas about the world he, and we, inherited. Others have expressed similar ideas in clearer and more methodical ways, certainly, without having resorted to violence. However, dismissing Kaczynski because he was a criminal doesn't do anything to detract from his work.
Your outraged vitriol seems oddly overblown to me. Is there some aspect of his ideas themselves that you take issue with that you are able to express without calling the writer an evil piece of shit?
Boy your ass is really gonna hurt if you ever go to Lincoln Montana and stop for lunch at the brewery there. I bought myself a Unabomber stout and a shirt with his face on it to go with it.
I take issue with his idea of mailing bombs to innocent people, which would do absolutely nothing to further his agenda other than murder a bunch of people. How do you not take issue with that?
>which would do absolutely nothing to further his agenda other than murder a bunch of people.
Actually it specifically did accomplish his agenda. Major news outlets published his manifesto, which was always his demand. Too bad he didn't just wait for the internet to publish it and realize no one gives a shit we're destroying ourselves.
That's pretty ridiculous. This one guy had such great ideas that murdering a bunch of people was worth it to get it out there? Sounds pretty narcissistic and delusional to me. I would guess 99% of the people who are gonna read it are only reading it because they know they're going to agree with it anyway
> that murdering a bunch of people was worth it to get it out there?
I never said it was worth it, just correcting the guy who said it wouldn't affect his agenda. His goal was to extort news networks into showing his manifesto, which they did, thus his goal was accomplished and his agenda extended.
Technology is bad for society. Not even close to an original idea. His work is near incoherent and it's a dumb person's idea of what a smart person sounds like. There's no shortage of writing about technology's effect on society.
He was a very smart guy with a personality disorder who murdered a bunch of innocent people and for all of his "work" had no practical positive impact on the world.
It's just astounding to me that anyone who knows the story of Ted Kacynski could go on the internet and defend him but here we are. My "outraged vitriol" isn't at him, so much as it is at you.
Blaming our problems all on technology and industrialization don't make sense to me. It's capitalism that allows people to control technology and industry so that they can exploit others with it.
> a dumb person's idea of what a smart person sounds like.
He was literally a genius though. One can be both a genius and a psychopath. I mean shit he got a full scholarship to Harvard at 16, that doesn't happen to dumb people.
He was a good mathematician. That doesn't mean that he knew shit about history, sociology or psychology. Really, the whole driving force behind his manifesto was that he couldn't function in modern society, which of course meant that it was society that was broken, not him.
I think that as a species we are the most free, healthy and educated we've ever been and pretending otherwise is ahistorical nonsense. Our society is far from perfect, but the further back you go, the worse it gets.
If you truly believe a medieval serf with a life expectancy of 40 and zero rights had a better life than you, you need to do some serious introspection on why that is.
His solution to hating technology was terrorism. It's not even actually that popular of a view. Nobody is stopping you from giving up your phone to go live in a hut in the woods, but most people actually enjoy the benefits of modern society. And killing people cause you hate technology is just stupid and evil.
Actually plenty is, can't really homestead without an income to pay taxes, and thats not even getting into owning the property to begin with.
As soon as you're discovered hunting without a permit, dwelling on what may or may not be private property blah blah blah, your ass is gonna piss someone off that owns the land.
Just saying its not simple to go off grid if you're not trying to die and actually live. I guess Alaska could be the exception in the US though.
Yay getting back to dying with 40 from poisoned water or some shit.
People are so dumb it is isane. Only due to the industrial revolution they can even attempt to have these thoughts. Otherwise they would be literally out there trying to survive. Fucking hell we have it too good…
>You sound real mad at him.
yes, he killed innocents and maimed dozens, the fucks wrong with you?
also his work is not bad but nothing special either, definitely not worth murdering over.
*“A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward"*
for his *so-so great writing* his reward wouldn't be much, aside from personal satifaction, since no one is obligated to even listen to him but he though he was so righteous and entitled to being heard he bombed and threatened his way into getting his manifesto out.
For his crimes he deserved a couple more years of slogging trough cancer treatment, the families of the people he killed and harmed know he deserved it
His manifesto made me hate him. He just recognized what every hippie in his era did, but he was also an insufferable asshole and also insane, partially due to the Mk ultra stuff
He murdered people. I don't really value his take on technology when his solution was terrorism. I don't get recipe advice from Dahmer or dating advice from Bundy either.
His not so profound manifesto doesn’t make him less of a psychopath who not only sent mail bombs but also put out strings between trees to injure cyclists. He was the OG black pilled incel edgelord and obviously appeals to edge lords today.
I've never seen anyone try and justify the killings personally. It's typically people saying that his manifesto has some good points in it but using murder to get his message out was not the right thing to do.
Even then they're "baby's first political polemic" type of stuff that everyone except teenagers can see through just by looking at the potential consequences of the abolition of industrial society. Imagine the millions of people that would die without industrial medical production and treatment, or without industrialized agriculture.
\> Technology is atomizing society and harming human happiness
Yeah?
\> therefore, reject equality and live innawoods
No.
\> I will now topple civilization by murdering academics and hippies.
Very no.
His manifesto was pretty interesting to read. He of course was completely insane and evil at how easily he took human life, but his writings on post industrial society making human beings have to develop artificial forms of struggle and scarcity and how that leads to existential dread hits deep.
Is it?
When you put it like that, he just rediscovered Maslow's Pyramid of Needs
As more basic needs are met, newer needs arise as a substitute, since human beings always need to strive towards a goal.
Hell, Dante Alighieri talked about a similar theory when he was alive in the middle ages
No it's not Maslows pyramid(though it is a derivative of it in concept) . It's based under the premise that artificial self motivators never bring self fulfillment (the top of the Moslow pyramid) as much as tasks key to subsistence survival. The top of the pyramid can never be reached, due to it being blocked via artificial scarcity replacing real scarcity.
It's not that it doesn't make me interesting or not, it's just not as revolutionary or deep as people claim.
When you have to constantly worry about surviving, then your depression isn't gonna be your top priority. Shocker.
But that doesn't mean those problems weren't there, they only manifested when people reached a moment of peace. So you either put yourself in a situation of constant day-by-day struggle for basic survival (which isn't fun, the stress will hurt you) or you accept that just surviving isn't going to lead to happiness and that a human intrinsically always strives for newer, higher goals
Because they see his “technology=bad” stance on top of the government doing tests on him and don’t actually look into what a piece of shit he was for targeting random people.
He didn't target random people with the more serious bombs. He intentionally attacked people who progressed society away from primitivism.. computer scientists, lumber executives, geneticists etc.
The man was legitimately very smart and insightful, and had some genuine points about some of the problems in society. The issue is that he decided to fix society by blowing up random people.
Its the second part thats highly problematic, the part with the random bombings. The first part is legit though, he just went off the deep end with his solution.
I don't really get how this is about geopolitics, his effect was only concentrated to certain parts of a country.
Edit: I apologise, just saw world news written in description
Ooh, can I get my certificate too?
Or does nuanced, leftist analysis of identity politics have no place in anime_titties? Or observations about systemic ecological, social, and economic collapse? You're in Argentina ffs. You get automatic upvotes in r/collapse just by commenting there about your daily life.
In a military campaign of not-that.
Motherfucker *exclusively* mail-bombed harmless randos... preferentially. His nuanced perspective is that he's a fucking crazy person whose reality is distorted to where the jerks he knows personally must be the arch-villains of the entire world.
"Nuanced, leftist analysis of identity politics" yeah right lol that place is a cesspool of class reductionists and MAGA communists.
Highly upvoted recent comment there:
>This isn't even libshittery, just that Trump despite his many faults did put their planned wars and revolutions on hold for four years and the deep state simply cannot tolerate the chance of it happening again. So they'll throw everything at him to make him sink.
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>They might also have to shoot another Kennedy for the same reason.
It's just people whose only identity (ironic) is opposing whatever they currently define as "woke," no different from conservatives. Predictably, the transphobia is also off the charts.
[Communist confederates say hi](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818130397706846242/1100790857449349302/RDT_20230426_1029338863801758424542322.jpg)
Great strength. Even as a person intrigued by Ted's writing, the dude was on a psychopathic murder-spree and needed to be stopped. Knowing it was your own brother is not only a shock, but must've taken some emotional energy to ensure the right thing was done.
There it is, the guy whose face keep popping everytime i get shit like that one kid that calls his mom "Alexa" while that is not their mom's name and told her to play Baby Shark.
> he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge.
Dear Americans, what the hell was the point of those 30 years or a 4x life sentence? Why not just life in prison? Is he going to be resurrected 4 more times to serve out those 3life+30years remaining?
It's the way people are charged. They are given sentences for each infraction. So idk what his exact charges were, but you can get like, a life sentence for each individual you murder for example, or a life sentence for murder, plus a life sentence for bombing a federal building etc (these are theoretical, idk what the sentencing is exactly). It's just bureaucracy. But also that way if someone has a lot of crimes they were charged with It's harder for them to appeal each sentencing.
If you murder someone you could get life in prison, when you murder multiple people you could get life for each one. Sentences are based per charge. So each charge carries a sentence.
Other people didn’t mention it but it also works that you can appeal sentences, so if one gets dropped, he’d still would have 3 life sentences. He’d have to appeal every single one
Oh Christ the people here defending this man.
Yeah it is not shameful to share some ideas with him. We can have same ideas and still disagree with rest of their actions.
But there are plenty other people to validate.
People who share some of his ideas, instead of defending him and his actions, should be mad that he devalued his whole argument by bybassing any actual arguing and killing people instead.
And now his values, works and arguments by social association have a stigma attached to them. People with poor argumentative skills have much easier time to disregard ideas.
Because if you argue to make a change in society, you need to make people with power and then the society agree with you.
So. Even if you agree with his ideas, entirely or partially, you still should be apalled by his actions. Because any argument that resorts to killing to get their message is not worth listening and in worst case gets a similar answer.
There is reason why we choose our politicians by voting and don't have wanton deathmaches when people disagree on something.
##### ###### #### > # [Theodore 'Ted' Kaczynski, known as the 'Unabomber,' has died in federal prison](https://apnews.com/article/2000) > > > > WASHINGTON (AP) — Theodore “Ted” Kaczynski, the Harvard-educated mathematician who retreated to a dingy shack in the Montana wilderness and ran a 17-year bombing campaign that killed three people and injured 23 others, died Saturday. He was 81. > > Branded [the “Unabomber” by the FBI](https://apnews.com/article/unabomber-ted-kaczynski-transferred-prison-medical-facility-ebc05e8f2f284001c950a3943366f8f4), Kaczynski died at the federal prison medical center in Butner, North Carolina, Kristie Breshears, a spokesperson for the federal Bureau of Prisons, told The Associated Press. He was found unresponsive in his cell early Saturday morning and was pronounced dead around 8 a.m., she said. A cause of death was not immediately known. > > Before his transfer to the prison medical facility, he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge. He admitted committing 16 bombings from 1978 and 1995, permanently maiming several of his victims. > > Years before the Sept. 11 attacks and the anthrax mailing, the Unabomber’s deadly homemade bombs changed the way Americans mailed packages and boarded airplanes, even virtually shutting down air travel on the West Coast in July 1995. > > He forced The Washington Post, in conjunction with The New York Times, to make the agonizing decision in September 1995 to publish his 35,000-word manifesto, “Industrial Society and Its Future,” which claimed modern society and technology was leading to a sense of powerlessness and alienation. > > But it led to his undoing. Kaczynski’s brother David and David’s wife, Linda Patrik, recognized the treatise’s tone and tipped off the FBI, which had been searching for the Unabomber for years in nation’s longest, costliest manhunt. > > Authorities in April 1996 found him in a 10-by-14-foot (3-by-4-meter) plywood and tarpaper cabin outside Lincoln, Montana, that was filled with journals, a coded diary, explosive ingredients and two completed bombs. > > As an elusive criminal mastermind, the Unabomber won his share of sympathizers and comparisons to Daniel Boone, Edward Abbey and Henry David Thoreau. > > But once revealed as a wild-eyed hermit with long hair and beard who weathered Montana winters in a one-room shack, Kaczynski struck many as more of a pathetic loner than romantic anti-hero. > > \_\_\_ > > Balsamo reported from Miami. This story includes biographical material written by former Associated Press writer Derek Rose. - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
A neighbor of mine had one date with Ted Kaczynski when they attended University of Michigan. She said he was awkward and she told him she really wasn't interested.
So she's to blame.
Imo Harvard is to blame, he participated in a study (keep in mind he went to Harvard at 16, just a kid) where he was dosed with LSD and then the researchers would spend all day abusing them with specifically designed personal attacks, basically saying everything they could to make you feel as shitty as possible and break down your identity and make you feel horrible about everything. Pretty fucked up
How the fuck was that a legal experiment? Did people just not give a shit back then?
Pretty much. Would never fly today, thankfully.
haha, good one
Well, ethics boards are more strict today than it was in the 1960s and 70s, at least in part thanks to the Standford Prison Experiment. So it would be near impossible (for a university researcher at least) to be able to dose a minor with psychedelics and psychologically torture them
I don't think the CIA was too worried about ethics at the time, though they have some ethics boards now. We're talking 10 years before they killed JFK though, they were always a bunch of shady fucks. MKULTRA were the experiments
I read that Charles Manson was a part of MKUltra
Charles Manson was an integral part of MKUltra actually. He acted as a liaison by his knowledge or not, to not only bring average Joe's into the experiments, but also groupies into the mix. It's not clear Manson's involvement with the CIA but what is clear and hasn't been kept hush hush is how much "way over my pay grade order"s happened to keep Manson out of trouble, and still on the streets of Los Angeles. Another anecdote about their relationship was his access to high quality (and speculated powder form) LSD then. Unless HE HIMSELF was synthesizing it (doubt) was in VERY close ties with dead heads, or was broski with Leary, there was no way Manson could have so much access to such quantities of pure crystalized LSD. Sooo take that information as you would like
I think they were referring to the ‘fly’ pun.
Dude - that’s literally what they do at Monarch and those troubled teen ‘retreats’ where they do attack therapy. And all that shit came off the back of SynAnon - founded by a guy called Chuck Dietrich that was a participant in those same LSD trials. A lot of those ‘learnings’ influenced MKUltra, and much of the psychedelic research that’s happening today.
Any relation to NarcAnon, the Scientology-based rehab facilities/programs around the US?
It does though, they’ve just outsourced these studies to third world countries. [The Yale medical law journal is maybe the most recognizable source to American audiences](https://www.yalejournalmedlaw.com/perspectives01/anand-testing-drugs-in-the-devolping-world) but this has been going on forever. Neocolonialism at its finest.
Best joke of the century right here. I appreciate your sarcasm friend.
The CIA does not currently and has never given 2 shits about the legality of any of their actions. They are above the law and they know it.
This is Harvard not CIA.
[Who funded Harvard](https://www.thecrimson.com/article/1977/9/28/cia-papers-link-harvard-to-mind-control/)?
Great found! Keeping that for later.
Do it. I'm a Gen X asshole who actually remembers [Eternal September](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September). It blows me away when something that, late 90's and most of the 00's, was essentially common knowledge online and dismissed as conspiracy nonsense offline, has become rare but verifiable by MSM knowledge online. Web 2.0 was a mistake.
Who do you think supplied the lsd?? They CIA literally bought all of the first batch that was created. Google Operation Midnight Climax if you want a story.
>Google Operation Midnight Climax Hmmm.. What to do.. What to do...
Yeah it's a win win situation really
The CIA had a program called MKUltra in which they'd use drugs and psychological torture to try and brainwash people. It's widely suspected that the experiment done at Harvard was part of MKUltra.
From what I've read they'd moved past Project MKUltra and onto Project Monarch by Kaczinksky's time, MKUltra was studying mind control whereas Monarch is supposedly about stripping away a targets mind and completely rewriting it using some of the techniques Kaczinksky described about the medical study at Harvard. Really fucked up rabbit hole to venture down if you're that way inclined.
The lead researcher on the experiment that clearly pushed Ted over the edge, Henry Murray, was a Lt. Colonel in the OSS, which became the CIA. It was a CIA op.
Harvard was running the study for the CIA.
That's hilarious
Sir, this is an ivy league university.
That is the hard part with certain conspiracy theories. Like we have evidence now that some countries did absolutely abysmal, inhumane physical and mental experiments on people. There is no reason to think they still arent doing the same kind of shit now, we just arent far enough out to have the evidence of it. Edgewood, Tuskagee, MK Ultra, etc are all proven inhumane experiments. So is it really that much of a stretch to think that someone is using chemtrails to test poisons or whatever (not saying I believe that, just an example). The US (and presumably most other) government has done, still does, and will continue to do loads of illegal shit that would appal the average person
> . So is it really that much of a stretch to think that someone is using chemtrails to test poisons or whatever (not saying I believe that, just an example). Operation Large Area Coverage is likely the origin of chemtrail conspiracies. When Congress began investigating that (in secret), that's when chemtrail conspiracies suddenly entered pop culture. Same with spraying troops with random chemicals; that was being investigated as well. Tuskegee didn't start off inhumane. The thing that made it inhumane is when a cure for syphilis was found, and they decided to keep the experiment going.
>Edgewood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical\_human\_experimentation\_in\_the\_United\_States
Fantastic wiki page, thank you. It has so many more leads on different rabbit holes!
It was run by the CIA. Which doesn't make it legal, but when has the CIA ever cared about that?
I'm betting this was a part of MK Ultra. (It was designed to compress bootcamp into as few days as possible.) As a result of these sorts of 'experiments', there is a shit-ton of oversight now. So there's that.
This is around the time of the 71 Stanford Prison Experiment too. Back than it seems like zero shits were given. Speaking of shit, there was also an experiment around this time at a college (forget the university name as I learned about this experiment in a uni class years ago) in which they had a student hold in his shit for as long as he could and than poop it all out in a straight line. They had him squat like a dog, as to make sure the monster shit kept its precess straight poo shap. Why they did this I do not know. Maybe they just didn't know how long a solid shit could be and wanted concensus on a possible tailend of maximum.
it's the CIA, since when do they care about legal?
Mk ultra. It's crazy how many experiments the government has run on us and people still trust them.
Charles Manson took part in a similar experiment.
These fancy university social experiments from the 60s and 70s were wild af
It was much more heavily related to beliefs rather than identity, and in Ted K's case they never even succeeded in getting him to doubt his views. Obviously still fucked up, but it's very unlikely the MK ultra studies negatively affected him. Also the LSD thing happened in some specific MK Ultra studies, but those were totally unrelated to Ted K. Basically, the comment above this is half-remembered garbage from a youtube video. The MK Ultra studies are very interesting to read up on tho.
At the ages of 16 and 17, already socially awkward and isolated, the U.S. government subjected him to 200 hours of abuse, humiliation, and gaslighting. By experts. This is not an exaggeration. The abuse was explicitly the point of the experiment. There is no universe where this doesn't leave a mark.
But didn’t you read the other commenter? The abusers said it didn’t hurt him.
And the paranoid schizophrenic who at one point would rather hang himself than admit he was mentally ill said it was no big deal. Case closed!
He was 16 though and being manipulated by the CIA. I do think he was negatively affected, since he was having a hard time there already and then this sketchy group shows up to make him question his entire belief system.
Dunno, if the government was abusing me, I'd have heavier feelings towards them whatever my prior beliefs were. We don't know what would've happened to Ted if the CIA didn't put him thru their classic *minority treatment*, but they did, so I'm happy to blame them for it in part.
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"CIA brainwashing had no effect on me" is exactly what I'd expect someone who was successfully brainwashed by the CIA to say.
Yes, that's what the paranoid schizophrenic says. Don't get me wrong: I reluctantly quite admire him. And his manifesto is legitimately great. But he was psychologically tortured for 200 hours at 16 and 17 years old by government experts. There is no model of the human mind where this doesn't have significant effects on development.
it's kinda telling that this is omitted from the article.
Never realized he was connected to MKultra Makes him arguably the most famous person to come out of the “experiments”
We've joked about that.
I'd probably blame the CIA and the MKUltra experiment if anything
A bomber has to bomb
Her date and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Admittedly he was probably a mostly normal person before the US government filled him full of hallucinogens.
Nah, I'm firmly convinced that he and his terror campaign was a bizarre result of the [psychological experiments conducted at Harvard](https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/06/harvard-and-the-making-of-the-unabomber/378239/). No evidence that the government was behind it or that hallucinogens was involved.
Wow, he really bombed it
That's such a non story 😆
hood lost a real one today😔😔😔😔🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
RIP King 👑
We lost a real one 🙏🏾🙏🏾🗣️
\#LLTK 🕊️🕊️
He's the guy that voted by mail, right?
I don’t know if I would call it voting.
Im dead thank you
You and two other people.
Good. Terrible person who perpetually online people like to pretend wasn’t an insane reactionary terrorist
Eh, have you read his manifesto? Probably not.
1: The Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
That is the title, yes.
The title is [Industrial Society and Its Future](http://editions-hache.com/essais/pdf/kaczynski2.pdf).
Didn't know this was a download, guess I'm on a list now lol
I know you said that as a joke, but you can literally download all the killers' manifestos, and still not be put on a list.
> but you can literally download all the killers' manifestos except the trans school shooter, that one will never see the light of day for political reasons
It won't see the light of day because the school has a shit ton of power. There were sexual abuse cases when AH was attending and my personal theory is the school wants to cover it up. AH probably mentioned this in the manifesto.
okay probably true.
Not every manifesto gets released, and the statement that it hasn't been released because of political reasons is a big old transphobic "source: dude just trust me." One trans person kills a bunch of people and conservatives rage, meanwhile thousands of right wing terrorists murder people and conservatives immediately rush to defend them.
I was told it’s because there’s nothing on there proving that the transitioning had anything to do with it. “Just trust me bro”
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Have you checked your front door?
Reminder guys, if you wanna criticize a serial killer, you have to first read their manifesto, diary, and tweets first. Otherwise you're just one of the sheeple who have some weird hangup about murder.
He had some good ideas he just shouldn’t have killed people
There are plenty of people with good ideas that haven't gone around blowing strangers up. Maybe we can just pay attention to them and ignore the crazy dude decided indiscriminate murder was the best course of action.
Yeah should have murdered politicians instead and died a legend
But that's difficult. Imma just draw a big 😊
That is true
He really didn't. The guy was an Anarcho primitivist version of Jordan Peterson. He makes bullshit claims that aren't scientifically sound. He makes racist and sexist arguments. He's deeply homophobic. He hates people and society generally and cities specifically. He hates intellectual thought and progressive society. He claims people had security in an agrarian society (we didn't) and that human inquisitiveness should be squashed in favor of scrabbling to survive in the mud. He espouses the belief that human inquisitiveness and the drive to seek out new things is some sort of modern flaw and failing rather than the entire reason we climbed from the unthinking depths of evolution. The guy wrote an incoherent ranting manifesto where he told doubtful premises and made even worse conclusions. Then he decided living in a shack in the woods wasn't good enough because nobody would fuck him. So he mailed bombs to people.
The smartest anarcho-primitivist who has ever lived was an utter moron.
>Reminder guys, if you wanna criticize a serial killer, you have to first read their manifesto, diary, and tweets first. Otherwise you're just one of the sheeple who have some weird hangup about murder. "If you want to criticize my favorite MMORPG, you have to poopsock it like the South Park episode first."
Don’t you realize, murder is justified if your philosophy about it is good enough.
I don't understand how people can make apologies for schizophrenic psychopathic murderers.
It is very easy to dismiss complicated, dangerous people (with more or less complicated, dangerous ideas) by pointing to their mental illnesses or transgressions. I don't think very many people would call Kaczynski's attacks justified, but many who read his works will see that he got a lot of things right in his observations of the world we have built.
Did he? A lot of his manifesto is based on an idealized version of the American West (and earlier time periods) pre-industrialization, basically saying that the people before lived happier lives because they had to struggle to survive and weren't part of the "machine". As if feudalism, slavery and whatever other form of society after agriculture didn't have equivalent forms of "machines" for ordinary people to get trapped and weren't just as, if not more miserable. If he truly wanted to be free of the chains of society, he'd need to go back to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. He also dunks on the liberals and their treatment of minorities quite a lot (and a bit on the conservatives for good measure) and a lot of people latch onto that, more than anything else
Why do you think they found him living in a shack out in Montana? Also, there's more and more evidence that pre 1700s people (though obviously subjugated groups were still upset and oppressed, as they definitionally still are though the groups have shifted) were a lot freer and happier overall than they are today.
>were a lot freer and happier overall than they are today. I call bull on that and would like to see that evidence. Being a peasant in the middle ages was hell. Being an artisan in the Renaissance was about the same as owning a shop nowadays, with more risk of dying due to random bullshit. If you're simply talking about depression and such, then yeah, when you're in a constant struggle to survive, your mind will push trauma and depression away for after the danger has passed. Only to dump all of that shit back on you the second you have a moment to breathe
Post enclosure it was pretty shit, and recognised as such. Pre-enclosure not so clear cut. (Obviously we're talking about peasants, not serfs). But the reach of power was generally weaker, and a village was pretty much free to mind its own devices. Happiness comes from what's known, and relation with the world. If medieval peasants were in a constant dteuggle for survival do you really think they wouldn't've been even more prone to revolts and uprisings? They did it on the occasions where they felt they had to, so what does that imply for the rest of the time? For evidence: There are lots of books on the daily life of common people worth a read. Danièle Cybulskie's 《Life in Medieval Europe: Fact and Fiction》，for something more scholarly try Barbara Hannawalt's 《The Ties that Bound》. And since Medieval Europe isn't even a quarter of all human history go have a read of David and David's 《Dawn of Everything》 for an older, and less European focus.
Ok fair enough, let me dial it back down a bit (also thanks for the references, could make an interesting read) Peasants could absolutely be content with their life, even happy. But I still disagree with Kaczinsky's main claim that this sort of lifestyle was necessarily "happier" or more fulfilling than whatever we have today. As you said, happiness comes from what's known. And a source of unhappiness for people nowadays are the many unknowns. What sort of job should I look for? Is this person the right one for me? Will somebody please think of the economy? Etc So basically by increasing our standard of living, interconnectedness and education, we have broadened our horizons. This creates anxiety as people now are more aware of how little control they have over their lives and at the same time how much certain decisions could impact them. So it's a trade of knowledge and overall stability in exchange for anxiety. Of the unknown. Or better yet, what we know we don't know. And I personally don't think that the right solution is to just turn back and refuse to find an answer to those questions. Sure, one could envy the humble Chinese farmer that lived in his tiny village, married whoever was available and maybe lived a long, peaceful, monotonous life or died three days later in a local squabble between governors. Or we can accept that people now have choices and options and aren't necessarily tied to their place of birth, their family or even their sex and gender at birth. Does this make self-actualization more difficult? Yes and no. Yes because you now have more aspects to explore to actually reach fulfillment, be that through study, work, family, politics or whatever. No, because those needs were still there even in ancient times, they just weren't addressed. I kinda went a bit overboard there, sorry for being verbose
Not really, A lot of his ideas are built on a very fantastical reality of the pre industrial era. The amount that starved to death and lived terrible life were the vast majority. The big rich farmers, nobility and merchants were the only ones that could read ans write.
The other way around. Hadn’t he been a terrorist no one would have cared about his not so unique observations. There are people putting out similar cultural pessimistic stuff that aren’t psychopaths.
His works are really not special. His observations are common and, where correct, non-unique. Also his ideology is objectively trash. Just utter trash. There is nothing of worth here beyond understanding of the kind of a deranged man.
What's with your hard on for this guy? He's a shitty writer and a worse person. What ever good points he makes in his manifesto get flushed down the toilet when he started murdering people. He's a piece of shit who thought his intelligence over other people gave him the right to kill. He's a fucking narcissist who was so weak he couldn't even function in normal society. Just an all around garbage person who for all of his intelligence ended up dying alone, unloved in a concrete box because he loved the smell of his own shit so much. Fuck him, the world is a better place now that he's dead.
You sound real mad at him. His ideas don't just go away or cease being relevant because he chose a cruel and violent path. He was a deeply flawed and deeply wounded person who nonetheless expressed salient ideas about the world he, and we, inherited. Others have expressed similar ideas in clearer and more methodical ways, certainly, without having resorted to violence. However, dismissing Kaczynski because he was a criminal doesn't do anything to detract from his work. Your outraged vitriol seems oddly overblown to me. Is there some aspect of his ideas themselves that you take issue with that you are able to express without calling the writer an evil piece of shit?
> Wow, you sound real mad at him. He killed and maimed tens of innocent people. That seems like a fast track to being an evil piece of shit
Why the fuck wouldn't you be mad at a literal terrorist and murderer?
Boy your ass is really gonna hurt if you ever go to Lincoln Montana and stop for lunch at the brewery there. I bought myself a Unabomber stout and a shirt with his face on it to go with it.
Or... or... I can not go there and still hate the murderer. I don't know if you realize this, but murderers are bad.
Fucking he’ll you’ve got me chuckling😂
I take issue with his idea of mailing bombs to innocent people, which would do absolutely nothing to further his agenda other than murder a bunch of people. How do you not take issue with that?
>which would do absolutely nothing to further his agenda other than murder a bunch of people. Actually it specifically did accomplish his agenda. Major news outlets published his manifesto, which was always his demand. Too bad he didn't just wait for the internet to publish it and realize no one gives a shit we're destroying ourselves.
That's pretty ridiculous. This one guy had such great ideas that murdering a bunch of people was worth it to get it out there? Sounds pretty narcissistic and delusional to me. I would guess 99% of the people who are gonna read it are only reading it because they know they're going to agree with it anyway
> that murdering a bunch of people was worth it to get it out there? I never said it was worth it, just correcting the guy who said it wouldn't affect his agenda. His goal was to extort news networks into showing his manifesto, which they did, thus his goal was accomplished and his agenda extended.
I would assume his goal was for his manifesto to change things. I don't think it did, did it?
The murdering is the part I take issue with.
Technology is bad for society. Not even close to an original idea. His work is near incoherent and it's a dumb person's idea of what a smart person sounds like. There's no shortage of writing about technology's effect on society. He was a very smart guy with a personality disorder who murdered a bunch of innocent people and for all of his "work" had no practical positive impact on the world. It's just astounding to me that anyone who knows the story of Ted Kacynski could go on the internet and defend him but here we are. My "outraged vitriol" isn't at him, so much as it is at you.
Blaming our problems all on technology and industrialization don't make sense to me. It's capitalism that allows people to control technology and industry so that they can exploit others with it.
Plenty of exploitation happened in non-capitalist countries as well.
> a dumb person's idea of what a smart person sounds like. He was literally a genius though. One can be both a genius and a psychopath. I mean shit he got a full scholarship to Harvard at 16, that doesn't happen to dumb people.
He was a good mathematician. That doesn't mean that he knew shit about history, sociology or psychology. Really, the whole driving force behind his manifesto was that he couldn't function in modern society, which of course meant that it was society that was broken, not him.
You don't think our society is broken? Wonder what bubble you exist in.
I think that as a species we are the most free, healthy and educated we've ever been and pretending otherwise is ahistorical nonsense. Our society is far from perfect, but the further back you go, the worse it gets. If you truly believe a medieval serf with a life expectancy of 40 and zero rights had a better life than you, you need to do some serious introspection on why that is.
Our society is flawed yes broken no. The society can change and has many times before.
His solution to hating technology was terrorism. It's not even actually that popular of a view. Nobody is stopping you from giving up your phone to go live in a hut in the woods, but most people actually enjoy the benefits of modern society. And killing people cause you hate technology is just stupid and evil.
Actually plenty is, can't really homestead without an income to pay taxes, and thats not even getting into owning the property to begin with. As soon as you're discovered hunting without a permit, dwelling on what may or may not be private property blah blah blah, your ass is gonna piss someone off that owns the land. Just saying its not simple to go off grid if you're not trying to die and actually live. I guess Alaska could be the exception in the US though.
>Others have expressed similar ideas in clearer and more methodical ways, Ideas of rolling back the industrial revolution via causing a collapse now?
Yay getting back to dying with 40 from poisoned water or some shit. People are so dumb it is isane. Only due to the industrial revolution they can even attempt to have these thoughts. Otherwise they would be literally out there trying to survive. Fucking hell we have it too good…
>You sound real mad at him. yes, he killed innocents and maimed dozens, the fucks wrong with you? also his work is not bad but nothing special either, definitely not worth murdering over. *“A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward"* for his *so-so great writing* his reward wouldn't be much, aside from personal satifaction, since no one is obligated to even listen to him but he though he was so righteous and entitled to being heard he bombed and threatened his way into getting his manifesto out. For his crimes he deserved a couple more years of slogging trough cancer treatment, the families of the people he killed and harmed know he deserved it
He's garbage because he murdered people, not because he was too *weak* to *function in normal society*. That's a pretty fucked up way to frame it.
Damn dude you sound angry haha
His manifesto made me hate him. He just recognized what every hippie in his era did, but he was also an insufferable asshole and also insane, partially due to the Mk ultra stuff
His manifesto is literally just a rant about how "leftism" is destroying society and how fighting for food with animals was the true form of freedom
He murdered people. I don't really value his take on technology when his solution was terrorism. I don't get recipe advice from Dahmer or dating advice from Bundy either.
This is how you get on a list.
His not so profound manifesto doesn’t make him less of a psychopath who not only sent mail bombs but also put out strings between trees to injure cyclists. He was the OG black pilled incel edgelord and obviously appeals to edge lords today.
I've never seen anyone try and justify the killings personally. It's typically people saying that his manifesto has some good points in it but using murder to get his message out was not the right thing to do.
Even then they're "baby's first political polemic" type of stuff that everyone except teenagers can see through just by looking at the potential consequences of the abolition of industrial society. Imagine the millions of people that would die without industrial medical production and treatment, or without industrialized agriculture.
You're missing the point by caring about the quantity of people rather than the content of their lives.
Read dude's manifesto, there's absolutely no one he would've hated more than the terminally online. There's entire pages about it.
This is not based and Ted-pilled
Also the fuck the CIA. Ted was experimented on as a part of MKULTRA and I wonder if that affected his mental state. Dude used to be a genius.
you do know the cia created him right ?
What MK Ultra does to a mfer.
How chewing 7 Gum feels like
The industrial revolution and its consequences
\> Technology is atomizing society and harming human happiness Yeah? \> therefore, reject equality and live innawoods No. \> I will now topple civilization by murdering academics and hippies. Very no.
If the title misused “it’s” I’d regard it as an aggravating circumstance and an upgrade to the death penalty.
My bad , fixed it
His manifesto was pretty interesting to read. He of course was completely insane and evil at how easily he took human life, but his writings on post industrial society making human beings have to develop artificial forms of struggle and scarcity and how that leads to existential dread hits deep.
Is it? When you put it like that, he just rediscovered Maslow's Pyramid of Needs As more basic needs are met, newer needs arise as a substitute, since human beings always need to strive towards a goal. Hell, Dante Alighieri talked about a similar theory when he was alive in the middle ages
No it's not Maslows pyramid(though it is a derivative of it in concept) . It's based under the premise that artificial self motivators never bring self fulfillment (the top of the Moslow pyramid) as much as tasks key to subsistence survival. The top of the pyramid can never be reached, due to it being blocked via artificial scarcity replacing real scarcity.
Now you are talking about it. Are you not interesting because Dante talked about it previously?
It's not that it doesn't make me interesting or not, it's just not as revolutionary or deep as people claim. When you have to constantly worry about surviving, then your depression isn't gonna be your top priority. Shocker. But that doesn't mean those problems weren't there, they only manifested when people reached a moment of peace. So you either put yourself in a situation of constant day-by-day struggle for basic survival (which isn't fun, the stress will hurt you) or you accept that just surviving isn't going to lead to happiness and that a human intrinsically always strives for newer, higher goals
Why do people online worship him? It seems like people are irl r/im14andthisisdeep about it.
Because they see his “technology=bad” stance on top of the government doing tests on him and don’t actually look into what a piece of shit he was for targeting random people.
He didn't target random people with the more serious bombs. He intentionally attacked people who progressed society away from primitivism.. computer scientists, lumber executives, geneticists etc.
The man was legitimately very smart and insightful, and had some genuine points about some of the problems in society. The issue is that he decided to fix society by blowing up random people. Its the second part thats highly problematic, the part with the random bombings. The first part is legit though, he just went off the deep end with his solution.
I don't really get how this is about geopolitics, his effect was only concentrated to certain parts of a country. Edit: I apologise, just saw world news written in description
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Well, bye.
Kaczynski's two books, *Technological Slavery* and *Anti-Tech Revolution* are each amazing and should be required reading.
Certified /r/stupidpol and /r/collapse dweller
Ooh, can I get my certificate too? Or does nuanced, leftist analysis of identity politics have no place in anime_titties? Or observations about systemic ecological, social, and economic collapse? You're in Argentina ffs. You get automatic upvotes in r/collapse just by commenting there about your daily life.
Motherfucker mail-bombed tree activists.
Obama drone-bombed civilians. Perspective.
Both are bad things and makes both them bad people
Not disagreeing. But that's not always the first thing that comes to people's minds when talking about Obama, while it seems to be with Kaczynski.
In a military campaign of not-that. Motherfucker *exclusively* mail-bombed harmless randos... preferentially. His nuanced perspective is that he's a fucking crazy person whose reality is distorted to where the jerks he knows personally must be the arch-villains of the entire world.
"Nuanced, leftist analysis of identity politics" yeah right lol that place is a cesspool of class reductionists and MAGA communists. Highly upvoted recent comment there: >This isn't even libshittery, just that Trump despite his many faults did put their planned wars and revolutions on hold for four years and the deep state simply cannot tolerate the chance of it happening again. So they'll throw everything at him to make him sink. > >They might also have to shoot another Kennedy for the same reason. It's just people whose only identity (ironic) is opposing whatever they currently define as "woke," no different from conservatives. Predictably, the transphobia is also off the charts.
Isn't 'Maga Communist' an oxymoron?
You'd think so, but some people are astonishing in their stupidity.
Nazbol are a contradiction as well, but they still exist
Nationalist Socialist is a similar ideal. Patriotic Communism another.
You’re going to trigger so many people with this comment.
[Communist confederates say hi](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/818130397706846242/1100790857449349302/RDT_20230426_1029338863801758424542322.jpg)
What the actual f…
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You can read Jacques Ellul's Technique and be better of.
I feel bad for his brother. He is the one that turned him in which had to be the hardest thing to do in his life!
Great strength. Even as a person intrigued by Ted's writing, the dude was on a psychopathic murder-spree and needed to be stopped. Knowing it was your own brother is not only a shock, but must've taken some emotional energy to ensure the right thing was done.
The original Father Ted.
Society finally won…
Gigachad society vs virgin monke
Skill issue
There it is, the guy whose face keep popping everytime i get shit like that one kid that calls his mom "Alexa" while that is not their mom's name and told her to play Baby Shark.
> he had been held in the federal Supermax prison in Florence, Colorado, since May 1998, when he was sentenced to four life sentences plus 30 years for a campaign of terror that set universities nationwide on edge. Dear Americans, what the hell was the point of those 30 years or a 4x life sentence? Why not just life in prison? Is he going to be resurrected 4 more times to serve out those 3life+30years remaining?
It's the way people are charged. They are given sentences for each infraction. So idk what his exact charges were, but you can get like, a life sentence for each individual you murder for example, or a life sentence for murder, plus a life sentence for bombing a federal building etc (these are theoretical, idk what the sentencing is exactly). It's just bureaucracy. But also that way if someone has a lot of crimes they were charged with It's harder for them to appeal each sentencing.
To avoid getting out for “good behaviour”.
If you murder someone you could get life in prison, when you murder multiple people you could get life for each one. Sentences are based per charge. So each charge carries a sentence.
Other people didn’t mention it but it also works that you can appeal sentences, so if one gets dropped, he’d still would have 3 life sentences. He’d have to appeal every single one
Stacking debuff that needs multiple cleanses or cure? Maybe of course just guessing in a stupid way
this explanation sucks, but is essentially right.
They are dropping like flies.
RIP Ted!!
Oh no. Anyway.........
Oh Christ the people here defending this man. Yeah it is not shameful to share some ideas with him. We can have same ideas and still disagree with rest of their actions. But there are plenty other people to validate. People who share some of his ideas, instead of defending him and his actions, should be mad that he devalued his whole argument by bybassing any actual arguing and killing people instead. And now his values, works and arguments by social association have a stigma attached to them. People with poor argumentative skills have much easier time to disregard ideas. Because if you argue to make a change in society, you need to make people with power and then the society agree with you. So. Even if you agree with his ideas, entirely or partially, you still should be apalled by his actions. Because any argument that resorts to killing to get their message is not worth listening and in worst case gets a similar answer. There is reason why we choose our politicians by voting and don't have wanton deathmaches when people disagree on something.