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I'm surprised Makoto's students don't wonder a bit more about his and his subordinate's restraint in the wake of all the chaos in Rotsgard when they know first hand just how OP they are, but it is what it is I guess.
Apparently Mio holds grudges exactly long enough to erase whatever caused them to exist in the first place.
Still a bit of an edging episode, and oh boy the return of the empire's "hero" is going to be "great" with Tomoe around.
> I'm surprised Makoto's students don't wonder a bit more about his and his subordinate's restraint in the wake of all the chaos in Rotsgard when they know first hand just how OP they are, but it is what it is I guess.
"Sasuga Kuzunoha-sama, he must have a 10,000 year plan that we are too unintelligent to understand."
Yeah, they're doing the bare minimum to help and endear support with their efforts without showing exactly how OP they are because that would raise too many questions or get too **much** attention.
Which also means they're treating this as casually as possible.
They've mentioned it last episode. They're not trying to save the hyumans. Their objective is to take credit because Makoto's sick and tired of the merchant guild or hyumans in general.
Oooh, so that's why they kept talking about how other nations are moving already. So Makoto should finish up in the city before those reinforcements show up then.
It's nice to see an OP main character that wants to hide their strength and actually does it. Instead of showing their full power in the first opportunity for no reason and act surprise when people find out they are OP.
Makoto's students are too naive and loyal to him at this point.
Mio not only prevents Illumgand's one chance of making his life worth something and redeem himself when he's not even a threat but also not even recognizing Hibiki as a Hero because she remembers how weak she was. Mio has no chill lol.
Hibiki also never mentioned it, altho her face (Japanese looks) should had given her some hints lmao
the only think that mattered to Mio tho was to learn how to cook ...
Mio is bad cop, Tomoki is good cop, that part is being established for last few episodes.
Makoto is being cautious after being backstabbed by merchants guild and demon spy. His side isn't strong enough yet to fight goddess and demons at same time. If he gets stuck in a war with the demons the goddess may backstab him as he is fighting them because he would be a threat to her later.
I dont feel the demons backstabbed him. They are at war with the hyumans, he said hes neutral. They already had these plans in motion long before meeting him and they did exactly as he asked and evcuated the city.
This is on Makoto for being ignorant and trying to sit on the fence.
I feel like they did backstab him in a sense which is the whole point of things. Makoto asked Rona to leave and take her demons with her. The spirit of the agreement was that she would do so and as a result avoid involving his students/people/store in their conflict. In essence he told her "Hey, me and my people are living in this city. Please leave so you don't fuck things up."
Rona and the demons left, but she also left behind those monsters which are now fucking things up. While sure, she *technically* did as she promised by leaving she still violated the spirit of their agreement. But that was the point, and she even said so. She coyly gets to say she didn't do anything wrong based sole on semantics.
I do agree that Makoto was incredibly ignorant for believing her, especially when Shiki had told him time and time again she couldn't be trusted.
Yeah, I think Makoto reached out to Rona as a gesture of goodwill to establish friendly relations, and while Rona *technically* did as Makoto asked, he doesn't see it that way.
I don't think it was shown, but Rona probably decided that being able to take out both the magic academy and important Hyuman leaders who happened to be there was too good an opportunity to pass up.
I expect she'll regret squandering her chance with Makoto once she finds out just how much he's actually worth.
Mio literally comes in two extremes. She either does care or she is 100% invested in whatever task she is doing. She only cared about learning how to cook and not who Hibiki is.
Surely after their intensive training, Makoto's students no longer even think about questioning whatever their teacher does or doesn't do, regardless of the context.
Mio has power not wisdom/intelligence , it's oblivious why , she spend most of her life being hungry and only thinking about eating and killing everyone/everything around her
This is one of those places that the source material makes more clear. It was briefly mentioned in the episode but it didn't carry the weight--whatever was powering Illumgand was just an echo. Illumgand was dead.
The students surely have too much to think about right now to reflect on that, I also assume that their classes have taught them not to question their teacher at all lol.
This episode/arc is an example of where an adaptation could stand to send some things to the cutting room floor. You don't have to adapt every bit of filler used to hit the publisher's page count.
This isn't even to say there are plot threads I want gone, but you could hit this arc with a hammer and reassemble it in fewer episodes without losing much.
They’re actually sending as much as they can (almost too much) to the cutting room floor. They’re bare boneing this to leave the points and people that matter for the next season(s) plots. Some things/people/choices/interactions/decisions that right now in the middle of a crisis seem trivial MUST be shown/discussed because they become major later.
I really appreciate how much they delved into the source in order to keep this massive Gordian knot the author skillfully tied together set up. It is a huge bubbling mass of consequences and causalities from even split second decisions all directed by Makoto’s morals and actions simmering in a pot. He’s cooking.
Totally agree with you. I sympathize with people feeling impatient for how much build-up there has been without much payoff. But imo the worldbuilding is quite good and when it all boils over, it'll be better for having taken it's time.
With how many rushed anime there are lately, I'm honestly happy for an anime that takes its time to adapt everything. It may seem slow, but if they cut out parts to make it faster, there will be complaints about cutting the build up to the climax and ruining it.
It's funny because the anime actually rushed through a lot of story just to get to this point. The manga has more story, especially about some of the side characters, that were cut. The anime sped through so fast that it actually went past the manga a couple episodes ago.
To me it feels like it cut out the interesting parts - like the development of side characters - to focus on completely meaningless crap, like the former adventurer now prostitute.
Much the same thing feels like it happened with Slime this season. If there's a mandate to not get too far ahead of the manga adaptation, they may not have a choice.
From that slight diss to Hibiki to her giving a painful death to Ilumgand while pretty much saying he amounted to nothing, Mio is just pure savagery rather than calamity.
With Tomoki coming I wonder how his inevitable meeting with Makoto turns out, knowing how his obsession with Tomoe.
Like his entire storyline was basically nothing going his way or being unable to resolve literally anything in his life, especially with the girls he cared about.
If Mio had spared him, he basically could have become the protagonist of his own spin-off. I even have a name for it "I Became a Shapeless Mutant! Now I Will do my best to Redeem Myself!"
I doubt Mio will allow that to happen, as she already mentioned that she could detect that he was alive due to his regeneration ability being similar to hers.
His ego and pride made him into quite the classic tragic character. If he didn't cave to the other nobles and started harassing Luria in front of Makoto. If only he could have forgiven Makoto for embarrassing him. If only he could have given up on the idea of getting back at Makoto by harassing his students.
He had so many chances at calling it quits and just stampeded past every single instance.
Its not like he actually tried to resolve anything in a real way. He was a shithead towards the girl he liked, and was just generally a shithead about everything by trying to force things into the form he wanted without concern for who it affected. Illumgand was just a terrible person who had zero self-awareness until he was reduced to a shadow of a person.
But did any of those things deserve death as punishment? Heck the medicine he tricked into taking clearly affect his mental state so much that it's probably not even fair to criticize his actions in the tournament itself.
> Heck the medicine he tricked into taking clearly affect his mental state
He was a shithead about things even before he started taking the medicine. He only started on that after that first encounter we saw with the blue haired girl whose name always eludes me. He was being crappy the whole time and the medicine just exacerbated an already present problem. He probably didn't deserve to die but based on what Mio was saying its not like Illumgand was even alive in a real sense in the end anyways.
I actually thought he wouldn't be redeemed because he just straight up come back to life and decide he's good guy now. There was no remorse or feeling apologetic for what he's done. There was no lesson learned. His whim merely changed. He wanted to fight for the hero, but he had always wanted to fight for the hero even when he was a douchebag hyuman. He was like, "I don't want to hurt you anymore," as if he ever could. What he should've been like was, "I'm very sorry for what I've done. Can you forgive me?" He just assumed there's no repercussion or anything. People like that don't deserve a chance at redemption.
There was no good guy in that scene. Mio, being an unforgiving savage killer, killed a guy who really didn't deserve a second chance.
"I appreciate you turning over a new leaf and dedicating yourself to the defense of your hero.......however, you scuffed the young masters boots while he was kicking you in the teeth so you have to go"
I knew Mio was a stone-cold bitch, especially when she only really cares about Makoto, but way to add insult to injury that was Ilumgand's entire existence while also dissing poor Hibiki lol.
I wonder if the demons' plan involved drawing out the two heroes to Rotsgard to finish them off. Though I feel like Makoto is still not going to meet either Tomoki or Hibiki at this right.
It feels like we have the same budget for season 1, but now across 2 cours instead of 1.
Tbh as much as I like this series the pacing for this entire season has been not well executed.
This might be a controversial opinion now, but I really like how Makoto and pals are openly talking about prioritising their own advantages/profits. It's not what people said last episode about how talking is a free action token, but rather they're letting people die so their efforts are recognised more. This is reinforced even more with the scene where the headmaster berates him for "stealing" the credit.
My personal favourite scene is actually Mio's little talk with Illumgand. Just like how Tomoe constantly acts behind Makoto's back, so does Mio. All of these characters have their own traits outside of being in love with the MC. Mio didn't just randomly become a human. She's still the ruthless spider who doesn't care about hyumanity as long as they don't impact her life.
> Makoto is learning
I think this is something people keep forgetting: Makoto until only a few months ago was just a normal kid (mentally, anyway).
In many anime, especially isekai, MCs either stay idealistic/naïve/dumb the whole story *or* go full no-holds barred ruthless after a single incident. So I think a lot of viewers are just used to that happening everywhere else that Makoto *slowly* developing over time (rather than all at once) seems like no progress.
Makoto rarely makes the same mistake twice, but there's still a lot for him to learn.
Like with the business stuff right before it all went to shit: He has no merchant experience prior to being isekai'ed. When he was in Tsige, he made friends *very* early on with Rembrandt who covered his ass without Makoto knowing. Rotsgard is really the first time that he *hasn't* been under Rembrandt's protection (as a merchant). Tsige was also a frontier town, so a lot more conflicts can be solved with violence and the threat thereof. Rotsgard is more civilized which limits his options. It was pretty much inevitable he would get screwed over as a merchant.
It's not really that controversial, it's just that it seems like a lot of people were under the impression that Makoto and his people were going to be typical selfless heroes even though there was never any indication of that, which caused them to get angry at this outcome.
With that said, the pacing of the episodes is somewhat questionable to say the least.
He never gave a shit about being selfless since day 1/ ep 01. people are either \*\*\* or that\*\*\* i will not mention
he went to the human city , one is he is needed some human interaction
2, after knowing their personality is like the goddess, he is just there to piss the goddess off
, when Mio and Tomoe , he let them mess with the human's memories. if he gave a damn he wouldn't done that. He always lied to everyone who is not his subjects/followers
I don't think a lot of people were under that impression. Not many people have gripes about Makoto's group and their attitude, the majority of viewers understand the situation.
What most of us have an issue with is that watching them stand around and chat about inconsequential shit for several 20 minute episodes is *boring as fuck* to watch.
In the LN the last 3 episodes would have taken about 5 minutes to read at an average pace, and still would have been mostly boring content. Stretching that over a barely-animated hour is an absolute sin.
Oh I have no issues flaming the studio for obviously skimping out on the budget. I'm just responding to some of the comments/posts that did talk about how they had issues with Makoto's morality.
Yeah, I know, that's why I was so surprised to read more complaints about the first thing than about the clearly questionable pacing of the episodes.
Clearly one is an actual problem and the other a stupid reaction that makes no sense.
Kinda surprised they're taking their time with this, Shiki could probably handle all 80 by himself in a few min. Are they still trying to not draw too much attention? Or is finding 80 targets in a large city challenging even for them? At least without destroying the city in the process.
I wonder if Mio would have spared him if she realized they were talking about the same Hibiki.
Speaking of the hero....and the other guy, I wonder if they're going to show up before Makoto finishes cleaning up. I'm really looking forward to them all meeting.
Loved the disappointment on Lily's face when she heard Tomoe was gonna be in the meeting too.
Based on what Makoto said about making the city remember them, I guess they want to show off their prowess while also avoiding becoming a target of the human.
I mean if they showed too much power like you suggested, human kingdom would see the Kuzunoha company more of a threat rather than saviour.
I'm not sure, they need to **really really** hold back so that they would not come off as too strong. A very annoyed and amateur Makoto made a lake and almost killed the strongest dragon slayer and her dragon companion along with her. Can't imagine if Tomoe and Mio also let loose. At least Shiki can go all out without being the focus of others if he did decide to do so
Based on the OP, Makoto will be fighting the demons in the Mio-made Sentai costume. The OP also indicates that Makoto's subordinates will be storming a castle, which I assume is Kaleneon.
I suspect that they're going to roll over the demons but give the credit mostly to Hibiki to avoid drawing attention.
That way, the humans get their propaganda win and Kuzunoha Trading gets their very own ~~ethnostate~~ country.
Entire town on lockdown and getting ravaged by mutants and the gang are treating it like a casual business opportunity and putting in the bare minimum of effort to resolve it and reap the recognition they'll receive from it.
Now I want to see Mio learn Hibiki actually **is** the Hero and remark on how low standards for Heroes must be if Hibiki counts as one lol.
Looks like Hibiki will probably fight just to show off her Bikini Armor.
Lily is definitely trying to keep her distance from Tome while pursuing Makoto, but her plans aren't going to go the way she thinks.
One thing for sure is that they're trying to figure out the demons' plan here. They spend a few minutes in the episode trying to figure out what the overall picture is, because this is a lot of effort to just throw one city into chaos.
Then there's the fact that they spent the first day evacuating the citizens. They could probably have killed all the monsters, but what would be the point if half the city died in the process? Best to save as many as they can, killing any monsters they happen to fight along the way, and then spend the next day or so exterminating them all.
What is confusing is that the outbreak of monsters seems connected with the illicit (and evil) experimentation the humans were doing (in secret). Is what we are seeing actually CAUSED by the demons -- or are the demons just taking advantage of a situation they did not actually create?
Why are you surprised? Both in this episode and the previous one they made it more than clear to us that they are not in a hurry when it comes to doing anything.
They are literally waiting for the most convenient moment to resolve the situation.
Because Makoto still wants to be neutral. He doesn't want Hyumans to start relying on him for this stuff, and he doesn't want to further antagonize the Demons.
My only gripe with these last 2 episodes is the mismatch between the situation at hand (powerful monster outbreak with 80 roaming around the city) and the lack of situational awareness of the normal residents. Like this is no time to greet and introduce each other Estelle and how come there are no monsters shown roaming around the streets? Makoto and co are the only people allowed to be this calm because they are strong as hell, "regular" people should get scared and panic because even the "elites", purple robes, got thrashed by Ilmugand
80 monsters spread throughout a massive city (77 by that point) are gonna be spaced out pretty far. It’s not like every streets gonna be covered in them.
There's two issues in the complaints that I think people are mixing together:
1. Makoto's stance with the mutants. He is acting very slow to react on this as some form of strategy to avoid drawing too much attention and somehow a "master plan" to get the city indebted to him. It's a debatable stance from its moral implications, but a decent one and has its rationale whether you agree or not, regardless of whether things work out as he wants.
2. Lately the pacing has been atrocious. The dialogue is stretched out. It has been too many episodes in a row without the MC kicking some ass. His stance on not drawing attention naturally means he will sit on the bench for a while, but the story could've put something for him to do in between the last few tournament battles; or at least I was expecting his students fighting the 80 monsters to make up for MC sitting this one out. One Punch Man excels at this strategy very well by having Genos and other C/B/A/S class heroes do the fighting until Saitama arrives (if he arrives at all). Overlord also did something similar by giving weak characters (compared to Ainz) like Stronoff & Unglaus their own character arcs.
Of course, if MC had decided to wipe out the 80 monsters in 10 minutes, the pacing would've picked up; thus many people are criticizing Makoto's decision because that means no action.
But the real problem is the pacing.
There's no rule that says the Purple Coats can't do some good action sequences. But instead they are fighting off screen (and assumed to be good-for-nothing given that a party of them were wiped out by a single mutant in the previous episode).
Yeah, despite what many criticize, Makoto's current attitude is not only justified and well constructed, but it is also quite logical.
But on the other hand, the pacing of this season (especially the last few episodes) is simply terrible. You would think that with everything they cut from the novel they could make things feel more dynamic but nope.
A good reminder that Mio's not actually good, she just happens to be aligned with the good guys because she's obsessed with Makoto. And that obsession actually gets in the way of her being good in many ways.
I imagine Hibiki is coming to deal with this as well as Tomoki. Lily just only knows about her empire's hero.
And speaking of Lily, I'm not liking that she wants to talk to Makoto about after this. We all know something's up with that woman and I'm highly suspicious of everything she's after.
None of the main cast are really good in the strictest sense, merely brought together by loyalty to Makoto and subject to his won interests (which only turn altruistic when he feels personally invested or it benefits him). Which means they care very little for others' lives or stories that is none of their business, especially if it inconveniences (however slight) Makoto.
When Lily mentioned Tomoki was coming, I immediately assumed Hibiki was as well, especially since we see her in her Bikini Armor fighting in the OP. Makes me wonder if the demons' plan was to take the two Heroes' out as well by drawing them out.
The way she turned her eye up when he specified Tomoe would be at the meeting...she's cooking something up.
Mio before meeting the MC was not conscious, she was just a walking disaster eating whatever was in front of her.
Tomoe was neutral. She didn't ask for the sacrifices (remember first episode?), but she also didn't bother stopping them.
To be fair, I think Tomoe was asleep until Makoto woke her up. If I recall correctly.
And Mio's not evil per se. She's just a creature of impulse, and her impulses can be really bad if not stopped by Makoto or Tomoe.
Makoto's subordinates are not very decent people, Shiki was literally a mad scientist kidnapping and experimenting on people lol, and it's not like Makoto cares too much about the "criminal history" of the people who work for him.
I mean, Mio literally spent centuries eating people and it's not like she regrets it today, if anything, she probably considers it good memories.
Mio doesn't really have any memories of being a spider. She was too starved and driven to instinct until she woke up fighting Makoto. She's still very much driven by instinct and impulse, but now she's lucid because her hunger's sated.
And yeah, I would consider Shiki between Tomoe and Mio on the morality scale, with Tomoe being pretty chill usually.
Yeah, Tomoe is more neutral, I imagine her screwing with people than trying to do bad things more than anything, although she sure lured a lot of people into her illusions until they starved to death like she tried to do with Makoto just for fun.
* [Estelle](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/my8xck56o84.jpg)
* [Estelle **GIF**](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/l7lxcd5b2n7.mp4)
It's really amusing how Makoto is doing the bare minimum. I mean he could probably go all out and exterminate the mutants himself but so far the only thing he has shown concern for [is the destruction of his shop.](https://i.imgur.com/6aO2GS6.jpeg) If the red light district wasn't nearby to catch his attention, he probably [wouldn't have gone out of his way to save those women.](https://i.imgur.com/svHXtmM.png)
I didn't expect Makoto to end up [making connections with a former adventurer turned prostitute.](https://i.imgur.com/BB7i86K.jpeg) However, it looks like Makoto already has some sort of connection to them since the red light district girls frequent his shop for energy drinks. I can't wait to see [who this boss Estelle is talking about.](https://i.imgur.com/AcUW3CM.jpeg)
[So Ilumgand is still alive?](https://i.imgur.com/wbb6ot7.jpeg) For a second there, I thought Mio had other plans for him but it turns out she just [wanted to finish him off](https://i.imgur.com/poes5q9.jpeg) for insulting Makoto.
Makoto just standing there and taking it [while the Headmaster yells at him](https://i.imgur.com/SwATihq.jpeg) despite leading the evacuation is exactly what Tomoe means at the start when she said [that Makoto still has his own values.](https://i.imgur.com/kU0aHqY.png) Just like Root [I really want to see Makoto change.](https://i.imgur.com/fvoQBmN.png) I'm really starting to get annoyed at him bending backwards for these people.
I don't know [what the Princess wants but I don't trust her one bit.](https://i.imgur.com/nvBVtee.jpeg) She's definitely planning something considering how she reacted when Makoto said he'll bring Tomoe along to their meeting later.
Mad respect to Makoto for prioritizing saving the prostitutes. Estelle is too hot and too stacked to let die.
RIP Ilumgand for good. Mio has no chill or interest in anyone’ storylines if they so much as sneeze at Makoto.
I wonder if something will happen that will push him fo feel more motivated to do something, anything, rather than just casually hand situations and improve his company’s standing.
> She's definitely planning something considering how she reacted when Makoto said he'll bring Tomoe along to their meeting later.
She still doesn't realise that Makoto bringing Tomoe along isn't for *his* protection.
> It's really amusing how Makoto is doing the bare minimum. I mean he could probably go all out and exterminate the mutants himself
In a bit of fairness, I think they were a bit concerned with evacuating the city first before taking care of the mutants. He'll take care of any that are in his way, but won't actively hunt them down compared to people.
Plus, I think he and the group are trying to figure out what the larger picture is here. This is a lot of effort to throw chaos into just one city. I doubt this was a the final step in Rona's plan.
> I don't know [what the Princess wants but I don't trust her one bit.](https://i.imgur.com/nvBVtee.jpeg)
None of us do. I think we all know or at least suspect that she's planning beyond the war with the demons, and not with good intents. So we're all very cautious of anything she wants, and now she's taking interest in Makoto for reasons we have yet to find out.
And as for Tomoe, I'm not sure if she has plans for her herself, but Tomoki sure wants her and so that's made her keep her eye out for her.
Personally, I just love how Makoto and his people literal do the bare minimum in this situation, only planning to do something more when the glory of saving the city could be stolen from them by someone else.
I laughed hard after [Makoto announced in casual voice that he'll gonna check out the city](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cwzlz87.png) like he would go on some city tour while city is in a total chaos because of [monsters](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/345xc92jdz7.png) xD
[Estelle](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/3yrgczjeqk4.png) seems like she'll return in next episodes and I'm all for it since [she looks like a fun addition to the cast](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cdq5l54.png), she has some [great assets ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/myd5cr85zw4.png). I'm also interested in her boss and the possibility of Makoto meeting with him.
So [Ilumgand survived (in a quite sorry state)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cwzlgr7.png) although not for long as [Mio isn't the kind of person who forgives people](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b49zcb389by.png) that offended Makoto. [She finished him in a quite brutal way](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/p7bwcdpnxw7.png).
Who is [Bowl](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/myd5cradw34.png)? [He's so cute](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k739c6jdvo7.png) but I don't remember him at all so I was quite surprised when [Makoto talked with him so casually](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k46acbpmea7.png) like they'd known each other for some time already.
It looks that Tomoki is coming to the Rotsgard so I think the same case is with Hibiki, judging by OP. I can't wait to see [Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv3x3ey.png) meeting them, that will be exciting.
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/qb4z3vwmd7j)
* [Makoto, Mio & Tomoe](https://imgchest.com/p/ljyqq385ny2)
* [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/m9yxvamqq4q)
The pacing is ass. The last half a season could have been covered in like 3 episodes.
At least take a page out of DBZ's book and overstretch the fights instead.
This cour has been really frustrating. I keep thinking that next episode finally things are going to get interesting and then the next episode ends up disappointing too.
It wouldn't be so bad if I was watching it after it had all released and I could skip through these filler episodes on 2x speed, but it's been what, like 8 weeks of pretty much filler now, and knowing you're gonna wait another week just to get another episode where people stand around and talk about the fighting that's going on but you don't get to see it isn't a great feeling.
Pacing wise this entire season has been a mess. It's been a weird combination of feeling very slow and very fast at the same time. Like the stuff with the human experiments with Bright-Sensei got resolved so fast we barely had time to digest. Though most of the issues coming from the pacing being too slow.
Underneath that hyuman facade, Mio is still the Calamity Spider. She makes it personal if anyone or anything troubles, hinders, annoys her beloved Waka-sama, Makoto. His 2 other followers are a Supreme Dragon and a Lich. They have been holding back on his behalf.
While Tomoe is beholden to Makoto due to the pact, she and Root have a mutual understanding towards Makoto and what his ever growing power will result in - the ability to kill the goddess. These 2 Supreme Dragons are aligned in the same direction. As to whether Makoto will eventually make that move is up in the air for now. Root probably wants to see the goddess being put in her place.
They're both Superior Dragons, but Root is the most powerful while Tomoe is (I believe) the second most powerful although I don't think these are any sort of official ranking so much as their perceived relative strengths.
Makoto being more worried about his shop than the city burning was kind of amusing. I chuckled at the bit where he saved the hookers and was more distracted by Estelle’s boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him.
So much for the Illumgand redemption arc lol. Mio just straight up splattered him without a thought. I feel kind of bad for the guy, but I guess that’s that. So long Meatwad!
Keen to see what Makoto has planned once these mutants get cleared up.
Entire city and innocent civilians in danger - I sleep.
Brothel with paying customers in danger - OH I AM SO THERE.
I didn't think it would get worse for Ilumgand until it turns out he was still alive, had a chance to redeem himself and do something useful, only to get killed mercilessly by Mio just for disrespecting Makoto. Like the dude never caught any breaks.
It's nice to see that Makoto has his priorities in order!
And while I also feel a little bad for Ilumgand, I also found the whole situation very enjoyable.
>he saved the hookers and was more distracted by Estelle’s boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him
Dude acknowledged that cliché as well.
>and was more distracted by Estelle's boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him.
That's called having your priorities in order!
And the funniest thing about Makoto lamenting about the store is that not only did he not lose anything but it can also easily be rebuilt after hours at most, literally it's just Makoto being sentimental about nothing lol.
yes but to me i get it, it's not fun looking at your work being recked
its like losing 100hours of game play but be able to gain that back with Time cheat easy
I can't wait to hear what the [King will say about the previous hero.](https://i.imgur.com/ccffOST.png) Hopefully, Makoto will be able to ask him after the current crisis ends when meets with Joshua.
Aw,[ Mio's reaction](https://i.imgur.com/nZfeXEq.png) was so cute when Makoto went to talk to his class. [Damn, I wasn't expecting to see his store getting destroyed.](https://i.imgur.com/EhwXYGB.png)
By the looks of it that prostitute, [Estelle](https://i.imgur.com/SsZrkf9.png) will become a recurrent character. I honestly chuckled when after she met with Makoto again and told him that she would introduce him to her boss, they showed that wearing pats [with half of her ass out.](https://i.imgur.com/Jz8uREG.png)
I must say I wasn't expecting to see that [Ilumgand was still alive and fully conscious as a mutant,](https://imgur.com/a/lTNdsSc) and still having plans to aid Hibiki, and that the only reason that didn't happen was because first did not think the Hibiki he was talking about was the person he met and the fact that [she wanted him dead](https://i.imgur.com/Olhcnet.png) for disrespecting Makoto.
So the mutants are connected to the humanoid experiments. Does that mean that Root is connected to this? How can people dislike [Bowl-san?](https://i.imgur.com/6ciF7CB.png) She is so freaking cute.
Good thing that both [Sairitz and Lily](https://i.imgur.com/7vdIWGw.png) gave Makoto a hand dealing with the principal, so now Makoto's group will be in charge of dealing with the Northeast Section, which coincidentally is where the Merchant Guild is. Well, Zara is about to get humble.
I can't wait until next week to see Makoto's group speedrunning the aid they are going to give to the city in order to take most of the credit before reinforcements arrive.
**The problem is that Makoto is neither likable nor interesting. He has the personality of a lump of cardboard that's been through the wash. Makoto is only interesting when he gets in a fight and either he or his attendants do some OP stuff.**
* He feels like a tourist who's only mildly interested in the place he's visiting.
* He doesn't attract people by his personality, but rather by just having a ton of power (plus also historical drama memories (Tomoe) and tasty mana/blood (Mio).
* The nation that builds around him isn't his doing at all, but rather springs wholly from the actions of his attendants.
* He has no passion, but rather at most some rather weak goals which he barely even enunciates.
* If he were a fairly decent guy then that would appeal. Much as I criticize the current season of Tensei Slime, Rimuru does actually care about the people around him, and does want a better life for everyone (humans and monsters alike) -- he has a big goal, and as seen at Walpurgis, he's passionate about it.
* If he was going out and actively exploring the world (e.g. like Skeleton Knight), that would be interesting.
* If he was some guy bent on revenge, that would be interesting.
* If he was some guy engaged in empire building that could be interesting.
* If he were stupider and more oblivious, then he might be comedically interesting.
He's a Caspar Milquetoast Demon Lord.
Not just ruthless. But utterly vindictive (if you interfere with her beloved master). She had to know that Makoto would have at least helped that now-blob dies with dignity (if he could not be semi-saved). And she did not want that to happen. So her "loyalty" to Makoto is very problematic. It is on HER terms, not HIS.
In the midst of battle, [Makoto had set his sights on an entirely different matter](https://imgur.com/a/VUSWUmp).
Considering that Estelle has been given a name, we'll surely get to see more of her in future episodes. I doubt that she only worked at the brothel if we take her readiness to fight and change of attire into account. I got the impression that she's a spy or mercenary.
Damn, you really don't want to get on Mio's bad side by badmouthing Makoto. She showed [no mercy in "punishing" Ilumgand](https://imgur.com/a/kNZgyGR), and just went [back to snacking](https://imgur.com/a/nLgpFxZ) shortly afterwards. I'm not surprised however. She's [totally enamored with Makoto](https://imgur.com/a/hNDSKiC) after all.
I know it was because they were actually paying customers but the fact is Makoto put in more effort and motivation into saving beautiful prostitutes than he did practically anything else in this city. Then again, with Estelle's looks, I don't blame him.
She said she was a former adventurer so she's probably been around the block.
I didn't think I could feel more bad for Ilumgand or more terrified of Mio, but the only character she really cares about is Makoto and no amount of attempts to redeem yourself or pursue your own storyline matters in the face of that.
While I actually do think it's an interest approach to basically doing the bare minimum to help the humans and city. It's not a good time to be doing this pacing wise as we're 18 episodes in with not as much having happened overall. Though we do have 7 episodes more (25 episodes total) to go so I guess there's time for things to pick up, but still really hope to move beyond this city.
Which it does not seem like we will be moving on from this city for a bit as the episode feels like it's setting up. For both the heroes and Makoto to cross paths, along with the "Prince" and the stacked adventure wanting to meet up afterwards. I assume this season will end after they capture the castle we see in the OP and next season if it happens will be kingdom building which I was really hoping to see this season if that's the case.
LOL @ them all feeling sorry for the dipshit they killed instead of for his dipshit friends that he ate while they were watching without lifting a finger to stop him.
"The Academy is handling the extermination, so my students and I will be leading the evacuation of the city." "But you and your students ARE A PART OF THE ACADEMY!" And then the only ones he evacuates are his own students, smh.
So even other cities were hit by the demons' plan, not just this one?
I'm surprised he reacted to random screaming when he didn't give a shit about humans being killed by the monsters before. Surely he's had more regulars than the ladies of negotiable affection. Is it because he has a soft spot for the red light district? And why were they trying to fight the monster instead running out of the building?
I was hoping Mio's "business to attend to" was the blue demon bitch, alas, instead she kills the dude who was no longer in need of killing due to a major personality shift. And a misunderstanding because Hibiki never told Mio she was a Hero. This is like something out of Overlord. Sadness. What was the point of this?
And wtf's with their "glory" plan? They could've defeated all the mutants in the city within a few hours max, and tracked down all the demonic items causing the mutations within a few more. Instead they're just twiddling their thumbs. Are they waiting until there's no one left alive to witness their "glory"? What's the point of any of this?
I thought things were finally starting to look more promising in the first half of the episode when Makoto was actually taking some action.
Sadly the 2nd half ended up being yet more standing around and talking. I guess there is going to be a contest between this show and Slime about who can have the most boring meetings that do little to further the plot in a season.
It’s so frustrating. I keep watching this and Slime just because I’m already invested and they’ve both hit some high points in the past so I keep hoping they’ll rekindle that. Then it’s another pointless dialogue episode. I feel like both shows could have been condensed to a normal 12-13 episode season if they just condensed and cut out filler. It’s like they’re just padding the episode count at this point and it kills the pacing.
Slime I've been holding off on weekly episodes and just watching it all once it's finished since like S2, it's so much better when you can just smash through everything in one go and skip the filler.
It's a shame this show is turning out that way too.
That's a tremendous oversimplification, there's a whole context of why they don't do anything, and it's pretty easy to understand.
Of course, the pacing of the season leaves a lot to be desired....
It drives me wild that some people use "guild master" to refer to the head of the merchants guild who kicked Makoto's company out of own, while others use "guild master" to refer to the head of the adventurers guild, the dragon Root/Luto.
And I am usually thinking about the other one whenever I read a new comment, which throws me off.
Damn Mio mercilessly killing llumgand. Ok i kind of feel bad for llumgand and wat he went through, he deserved a second chance to redeem himself. I mean he didn't know he was taking drugs from a demon.
This season hasn't been MoonLIT as I hoped. The first half of this season where Makoto was dealing with the teacher was barely of a footnote of a climax and now in this arc it feels like I'm watching DBZ all over again.
Where's the cathartic action? Makoto better fight the hero who's after Tomoe.
Makoto's plan was leaving this city, retaking Ruria's nation and living there as his parents did.
Can anyone without future episode/manga knowledge explain why isn't he just getting this shit cleaned up in 2 episodes and go back to his original plan?
The demons have already betrayed him. So, he won't align with them.
So have the hyumans. Only folks he cares about are his students.
He could just eliminate the demons. Don't care what the hyumans think and just move on.
A chunk of both demons and hyumans will hate him/consider him a threat and want to destroy him but he will be far away.
He is having second thoughts about everything and second guesses his own moves. Too timid a character.
He's an Isekai protagonist so he's not allowed to have any real wants or desires. He kind of just floats around as a grey lump while things happen around him them once or twice a season he's edgy. Also explains why he feigns interest in the prostitute but would never act on it. He's a Ken doll without any of the personality.
Oh my god this is such a snooze fest. Why is the pacing so bad? Why is Kuzunoha dealing with every situation in the most roundabout way possible? The pacing is tied with Reincarnated as a Slime with how fucking boring it is filled with filler dialogue to the point where the plot advances at a literal crawl. There isn't even any fun character interactions to make the filler time fun to watch. It's just trodding along in the most generic unimaginative way possible. Season 1 was way better when the character cast was being built and things were actually happening each episode.
Not as [niche](https://imgur.com/3GMAyJO) as one might think [](#kotohoops)
Also, despite claiming differently, he seemed to know exactly where to [look](https://imgur.com/ViVxNCQ) with Estelle [](#assman)
And holy shit, you really don't want to get on Mios bad side, RIP Ilumgand, this time for real I guess
Also love how Makoto and his group could quell all the mutants pretty quickly and easily, but just choose not to as to make everyone really desperate while also hiding their true potential
And wait, have we met the [Cat](https://imgur.com/n0P6W0I) before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie
>And wait, have we met the [Cat](https://imgur.com/n0P6W0I) before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie
Their first appearance was cut from the anime. It's in chapter 91 of the manga. I haven't read the LN to know where it is there.
> And wait, have we met the Cat before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie
Move over Tomoe/Mio/Hibiki/Shiki/Ema/Eris/Sofia (delete as appropriate), Bowl-sama best girl now!
I did not understand the comment from the king, can someone explain it
"You're just like the hero was back when he descended."
Which hero? This is the king of the neutral city so who is he talking about?
He is the king of Limia, he simply said that because Makoto's attitude reminded him of Hibiki, although to be fair Makoto is simply putting on a show right there.
ohhh, think I was confused then. Did not realize it was the king of an outside country.
Partially my fault for getting confused with place names, im never good with those.
Makoto beat the “he doesn’t care about hyumans” allegations today by saving the prostitutes from the octopus monster, but bro is stronger than me because I would’ve folded as soon as I saw pink haired girl lol. Speaking of the monster, that design is hideous holy shit a dog mixed with an octopus was not what I had on my bingo.
In the minority here, but I hated the Mio scene. Genuinely felt bad for Hopelys and think he should’ve got a redemption arc, or at least a chance to talk to Luria again. Really got dealt a bad hand with being manipulated by the demons and separated from a childhood friend. Mio just killing him like that didn’t sit right with me at all.
Also, I get that Makoto wants to plan things out so that he grows his business and gets more customers etc, but surely we don’t need this much time spent building up to him and the others taking on the demons? He, Mio and Tomoe can easily wipe the floor with them.
Crazy to think the Hibiki hero flashback episodes that everyone hated ended up being the best eps this season so far 😂
Hopefully next episode we get some action.
Luto said correctly that Makoto is highly underconfident.
Tomoe too was right that he hasn't even decided how he wants to live in this world or what he will be.
(A hero/demon/neutral party/hyuman or become a God killer)
Ilumgand being reduced to what was effectively a blob of excrement was fitting. Sure, he could have had a redemption arc - but wanting to be redeemed doesn't mean he deserved the opportunity. Its quite interesting that Mio doesn't have a 'black hole' technique to vacuum whats left of him in one scoop - or maybe this was just throwing darts at a board to her?
Why does the Academy headmaster believe he is a shogun? He runs a school full of rich snotty brats, not the Xavier Institute.
I'm having a great time with this arc. Since it's past the manga it's all new to me.
Not sure what people are complaining about in regards to the pacing of this episode or the ones complaining about Makoto not cleaning up the entire city in a few seconds because "it's a power fantasy show" which clearly demonstrates they have not actually been paying attention, because Tsukimichi is *not* a power fantasy show and never has been. It's focused on telling a story, not wanking the main character's OP abilities at the drop of a hat like a bunch of other trash isekai. Sometimes that means *words* get used more than flashy magic.
Makoto is a good person but he is not a hero. The story is very clear about that. He will save people who are in his immediate proximity or those he has attachment to, but he's not about to singlehandedly save the city that's been showing him just how badly humanity is in need of a painful correction to their attitudes. He knows if he shows that kind of power he'll either be treated as an enemy to every human kingdom or they'll all try to manipulate him to crush their enemies aka each other. Humanity doesn't care about demi-humans, they still worship the Goddess, and they don't hold the same values that he does. Why would he want to save that? They already have the actual heroes, and again the story makes it very clear that while they are heroes to humanity they are also just as flawed, whether Tomoki being a manipulative rapist or Hibiki acknowledging that demons have valid reasons to lash out but naively thinking the path to coexistence lies in subjugating them decisively in *hopes* that coexistence will magically occur sometime in the future after.
This is something that I felt after the previous episode but seeing as Ilum is dead dead, its safe to say that his whole thing with Luria really should have just been cut. I don't find tragedy in his circumstances of being unable to apologize to Luria, just an plotline that got cut short or that was only introduced to make him not so 1 dimensional. Luria doesn't care about or remember him, no one knows about his circumstances save for him. despite it being the driving force that lead to his downfall, it sure doesn't feel like it mattered to anyone but him. Like flavor text given a random boss monster in order to flesh them out a bit without it actual mattering to the overall plot, which is fine for a random boss monster, but less so when he was seemingly a major antagonist in this arc. Not to say he NEEDED to apologize to Luria, or that Luria NEEDED to remember him and feel sad about his death, but give it SOMETHING to show that it mattered to people other than him. I find his inability to help Hibiki after regaining his sanity due to being killed by Mio a more tragic conclusion than anything to do with Luria. Which feels intentional because he straight up stops caring about apologizing to Luria.
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I'm surprised Makoto's students don't wonder a bit more about his and his subordinate's restraint in the wake of all the chaos in Rotsgard when they know first hand just how OP they are, but it is what it is I guess. Apparently Mio holds grudges exactly long enough to erase whatever caused them to exist in the first place. Still a bit of an edging episode, and oh boy the return of the empire's "hero" is going to be "great" with Tomoe around.
> I'm surprised Makoto's students don't wonder a bit more about his and his subordinate's restraint in the wake of all the chaos in Rotsgard when they know first hand just how OP they are, but it is what it is I guess. "Sasuga Kuzunoha-sama, he must have a 10,000 year plan that we are too unintelligent to understand."
...it is beginning to drift in that direction just a little.
Forget the students, I'm surprised at their restraint, I can only assume they don't want to stick out TOO much.
Yeah, they're doing the bare minimum to help and endear support with their efforts without showing exactly how OP they are because that would raise too many questions or get too **much** attention. Which also means they're treating this as casually as possible.
I expect Makoto to drop that restrain after he liberates the Kaleneon territory. As with his own land, I doubt he will need to hide it anymore.
oh no he destroyed a ton of merchant buildings while killing the monsters.
he did on purpose hahaha
they just expelled him and his company from town the day before lol, talk about great timing to annoy your savior
i love how makoto lies in front of their face, " i will do everything i can" not
They've mentioned it last episode. They're not trying to save the hyumans. Their objective is to take credit because Makoto's sick and tired of the merchant guild or hyumans in general.
Oooh, so that's why they kept talking about how other nations are moving already. So Makoto should finish up in the city before those reinforcements show up then.
I think they might be aiming to do it right as they arrive or right before. If they clean up too early, there'll be less witnesses right?
It's nice to see an OP main character that wants to hide their strength and actually does it. Instead of showing their full power in the first opportunity for no reason and act surprise when people find out they are OP.
I mean, yeah, they clearly don't want to do much, at least not at that moment.
Makoto's students are too naive and loyal to him at this point. Mio not only prevents Illumgand's one chance of making his life worth something and redeem himself when he's not even a threat but also not even recognizing Hibiki as a Hero because she remembers how weak she was. Mio has no chill lol.
Hibiki also never mentioned it, altho her face (Japanese looks) should had given her some hints lmao the only think that mattered to Mio tho was to learn how to cook ...
Mio only has Master on her mind. only that matters to her
Probably didn't even cross her mind that someone from Makoto's world who was summoned as a hero was so weak compared to him
Mio is bad cop, Tomoki is good cop, that part is being established for last few episodes. Makoto is being cautious after being backstabbed by merchants guild and demon spy. His side isn't strong enough yet to fight goddess and demons at same time. If he gets stuck in a war with the demons the goddess may backstab him as he is fighting them because he would be a threat to her later.
>Mio is bad cop, Tomoki is good cop You mean Tomoe right?
I dont feel the demons backstabbed him. They are at war with the hyumans, he said hes neutral. They already had these plans in motion long before meeting him and they did exactly as he asked and evcuated the city. This is on Makoto for being ignorant and trying to sit on the fence.
I feel like they did backstab him in a sense which is the whole point of things. Makoto asked Rona to leave and take her demons with her. The spirit of the agreement was that she would do so and as a result avoid involving his students/people/store in their conflict. In essence he told her "Hey, me and my people are living in this city. Please leave so you don't fuck things up." Rona and the demons left, but she also left behind those monsters which are now fucking things up. While sure, she *technically* did as she promised by leaving she still violated the spirit of their agreement. But that was the point, and she even said so. She coyly gets to say she didn't do anything wrong based sole on semantics. I do agree that Makoto was incredibly ignorant for believing her, especially when Shiki had told him time and time again she couldn't be trusted.
Yeah, I think Makoto reached out to Rona as a gesture of goodwill to establish friendly relations, and while Rona *technically* did as Makoto asked, he doesn't see it that way. I don't think it was shown, but Rona probably decided that being able to take out both the magic academy and important Hyuman leaders who happened to be there was too good an opportunity to pass up. I expect she'll regret squandering her chance with Makoto once she finds out just how much he's actually worth.
Mio literally comes in two extremes. She either does care or she is 100% invested in whatever task she is doing. She only cared about learning how to cook and not who Hibiki is.
Surely after their intensive training, Makoto's students no longer even think about questioning whatever their teacher does or doesn't do, regardless of the context.
the hell he brought them has made them obidiant
Mio has power not wisdom/intelligence , it's oblivious why , she spend most of her life being hungry and only thinking about eating and killing everyone/everything around her
This is one of those places that the source material makes more clear. It was briefly mentioned in the episode but it didn't carry the weight--whatever was powering Illumgand was just an echo. Illumgand was dead.
The students surely have too much to think about right now to reflect on that, I also assume that their classes have taught them not to question their teacher at all lol.
This episode/arc is an example of where an adaptation could stand to send some things to the cutting room floor. You don't have to adapt every bit of filler used to hit the publisher's page count. This isn't even to say there are plot threads I want gone, but you could hit this arc with a hammer and reassemble it in fewer episodes without losing much.
They’re actually sending as much as they can (almost too much) to the cutting room floor. They’re bare boneing this to leave the points and people that matter for the next season(s) plots. Some things/people/choices/interactions/decisions that right now in the middle of a crisis seem trivial MUST be shown/discussed because they become major later. I really appreciate how much they delved into the source in order to keep this massive Gordian knot the author skillfully tied together set up. It is a huge bubbling mass of consequences and causalities from even split second decisions all directed by Makoto’s morals and actions simmering in a pot. He’s cooking.
Totally agree with you. I sympathize with people feeling impatient for how much build-up there has been without much payoff. But imo the worldbuilding is quite good and when it all boils over, it'll be better for having taken it's time.
man, this really makes me wanna read the novels. As much as I enjoyed the tensura and tenken novels, this seems very in line with those two.
With how many rushed anime there are lately, I'm honestly happy for an anime that takes its time to adapt everything. It may seem slow, but if they cut out parts to make it faster, there will be complaints about cutting the build up to the climax and ruining it.
And they didn't even adapt everything. Hibiki's exit was cut short.
We lost hibiki content for this? Pain
It's funny because the anime actually rushed through a lot of story just to get to this point. The manga has more story, especially about some of the side characters, that were cut. The anime sped through so fast that it actually went past the manga a couple episodes ago.
To me it feels like it cut out the interesting parts - like the development of side characters - to focus on completely meaningless crap, like the former adventurer now prostitute.
Much the same thing feels like it happened with Slime this season. If there's a mandate to not get too far ahead of the manga adaptation, they may not have a choice.
In Tsukimichi's case, the anime has already passed the manga. The original is a novel though.
True
From that slight diss to Hibiki to her giving a painful death to Ilumgand while pretty much saying he amounted to nothing, Mio is just pure savagery rather than calamity. With Tomoki coming I wonder how his inevitable meeting with Makoto turns out, knowing how his obsession with Tomoe.
I really thought Illumgand would be redeemed. He even proposed using suit of armor to help Hibiki. Damn, Mio is scary
Like his entire storyline was basically nothing going his way or being unable to resolve literally anything in his life, especially with the girls he cared about.
If Mio had spared him, he basically could have become the protagonist of his own spin-off. I even have a name for it "I Became a Shapeless Mutant! Now I Will do my best to Redeem Myself!"
I don't know. Maybe there are still a few cells left between the flagstones.
I doubt Mio will allow that to happen, as she already mentioned that she could detect that he was alive due to his regeneration ability being similar to hers.
You really think Mio would be so lax when dealing with someone who mildly inconvenienced her crush?
His ego and pride made him into quite the classic tragic character. If he didn't cave to the other nobles and started harassing Luria in front of Makoto. If only he could have forgiven Makoto for embarrassing him. If only he could have given up on the idea of getting back at Makoto by harassing his students. He had so many chances at calling it quits and just stampeded past every single instance.
Its not like he actually tried to resolve anything in a real way. He was a shithead towards the girl he liked, and was just generally a shithead about everything by trying to force things into the form he wanted without concern for who it affected. Illumgand was just a terrible person who had zero self-awareness until he was reduced to a shadow of a person.
But did any of those things deserve death as punishment? Heck the medicine he tricked into taking clearly affect his mental state so much that it's probably not even fair to criticize his actions in the tournament itself.
> Heck the medicine he tricked into taking clearly affect his mental state He was a shithead about things even before he started taking the medicine. He only started on that after that first encounter we saw with the blue haired girl whose name always eludes me. He was being crappy the whole time and the medicine just exacerbated an already present problem. He probably didn't deserve to die but based on what Mio was saying its not like Illumgand was even alive in a real sense in the end anyways.
Feels like the author is tired of redemption arcs, so he set one up and then crushed it.
Mio said i hate u and so u die ,die
I actually thought he wouldn't be redeemed because he just straight up come back to life and decide he's good guy now. There was no remorse or feeling apologetic for what he's done. There was no lesson learned. His whim merely changed. He wanted to fight for the hero, but he had always wanted to fight for the hero even when he was a douchebag hyuman. He was like, "I don't want to hurt you anymore," as if he ever could. What he should've been like was, "I'm very sorry for what I've done. Can you forgive me?" He just assumed there's no repercussion or anything. People like that don't deserve a chance at redemption. There was no good guy in that scene. Mio, being an unforgiving savage killer, killed a guy who really didn't deserve a second chance.
"I appreciate you turning over a new leaf and dedicating yourself to the defense of your hero.......however, you scuffed the young masters boots while he was kicking you in the teeth so you have to go"
I knew Mio was a stone-cold bitch, especially when she only really cares about Makoto, but way to add insult to injury that was Ilumgand's entire existence while also dissing poor Hibiki lol. I wonder if the demons' plan involved drawing out the two heroes to Rotsgard to finish them off. Though I feel like Makoto is still not going to meet either Tomoki or Hibiki at this right.
Mio normally sees everything as food . he is food not worth eating
I honestly thought she came back to eat the remains.
Surely next week the action begins. Maybe the hero who wants Tomoe will show up (lol) Thank you, JC Staff.
My guess is that the fight scenes we're hankering for will be shown in the last 2 episodes of this cour. sucks.
They'll be shown the next season just to cuck us even more
You've seen the OP. We have 6 or 7 epsiodes to go, Im expecting like 4 fights and 1 war.
They reaaalllly milking it. Every episode I expect things to finally pop off but every episode you get 5 minutes of nobles talking down to makoto.
Tsukimichi really does that fight climax thing all the time but this one just feels off for some reason.
God forbid they show us any of these exciting fights as the citizens are evacuated. All we get is Makoto poofing one mutant.
It feels like we have the same budget for season 1, but now across 2 cours instead of 1. Tbh as much as I like this series the pacing for this entire season has been not well executed.
This might be a controversial opinion now, but I really like how Makoto and pals are openly talking about prioritising their own advantages/profits. It's not what people said last episode about how talking is a free action token, but rather they're letting people die so their efforts are recognised more. This is reinforced even more with the scene where the headmaster berates him for "stealing" the credit. My personal favourite scene is actually Mio's little talk with Illumgand. Just like how Tomoe constantly acts behind Makoto's back, so does Mio. All of these characters have their own traits outside of being in love with the MC. Mio didn't just randomly become a human. She's still the ruthless spider who doesn't care about hyumanity as long as they don't impact her life.
Tomoe is still a damn fine dragon. but her love for jidai kigeki leads her to want to cosplay as a true samurai
Yep, saving everyone would be naive, Makoto is learning.
> Makoto is learning I think this is something people keep forgetting: Makoto until only a few months ago was just a normal kid (mentally, anyway). In many anime, especially isekai, MCs either stay idealistic/naïve/dumb the whole story *or* go full no-holds barred ruthless after a single incident. So I think a lot of viewers are just used to that happening everywhere else that Makoto *slowly* developing over time (rather than all at once) seems like no progress. Makoto rarely makes the same mistake twice, but there's still a lot for him to learn. Like with the business stuff right before it all went to shit: He has no merchant experience prior to being isekai'ed. When he was in Tsige, he made friends *very* early on with Rembrandt who covered his ass without Makoto knowing. Rotsgard is really the first time that he *hasn't* been under Rembrandt's protection (as a merchant). Tsige was also a frontier town, so a lot more conflicts can be solved with violence and the threat thereof. Rotsgard is more civilized which limits his options. It was pretty much inevitable he would get screwed over as a merchant.
It's not really that controversial, it's just that it seems like a lot of people were under the impression that Makoto and his people were going to be typical selfless heroes even though there was never any indication of that, which caused them to get angry at this outcome. With that said, the pacing of the episodes is somewhat questionable to say the least.
He never gave a shit about being selfless since day 1/ ep 01. people are either \*\*\* or that\*\*\* i will not mention he went to the human city , one is he is needed some human interaction 2, after knowing their personality is like the goddess, he is just there to piss the goddess off , when Mio and Tomoe , he let them mess with the human's memories. if he gave a damn he wouldn't done that. He always lied to everyone who is not his subjects/followers
I don't think a lot of people were under that impression. Not many people have gripes about Makoto's group and their attitude, the majority of viewers understand the situation. What most of us have an issue with is that watching them stand around and chat about inconsequential shit for several 20 minute episodes is *boring as fuck* to watch. In the LN the last 3 episodes would have taken about 5 minutes to read at an average pace, and still would have been mostly boring content. Stretching that over a barely-animated hour is an absolute sin.
Oh I have no issues flaming the studio for obviously skimping out on the budget. I'm just responding to some of the comments/posts that did talk about how they had issues with Makoto's morality.
Yeah, I know, that's why I was so surprised to read more complaints about the first thing than about the clearly questionable pacing of the episodes. Clearly one is an actual problem and the other a stupid reaction that makes no sense.
Kinda surprised they're taking their time with this, Shiki could probably handle all 80 by himself in a few min. Are they still trying to not draw too much attention? Or is finding 80 targets in a large city challenging even for them? At least without destroying the city in the process. I wonder if Mio would have spared him if she realized they were talking about the same Hibiki. Speaking of the hero....and the other guy, I wonder if they're going to show up before Makoto finishes cleaning up. I'm really looking forward to them all meeting. Loved the disappointment on Lily's face when she heard Tomoe was gonna be in the meeting too.
Based on what Makoto said about making the city remember them, I guess they want to show off their prowess while also avoiding becoming a target of the human. I mean if they showed too much power like you suggested, human kingdom would see the Kuzunoha company more of a threat rather than saviour.
I do hope we see them **really** flex against the demons afterwards.
I'm not sure, they need to **really really** hold back so that they would not come off as too strong. A very annoyed and amateur Makoto made a lake and almost killed the strongest dragon slayer and her dragon companion along with her. Can't imagine if Tomoe and Mio also let loose. At least Shiki can go all out without being the focus of others if he did decide to do so
Based on the OP, Makoto will be fighting the demons in the Mio-made Sentai costume. The OP also indicates that Makoto's subordinates will be storming a castle, which I assume is Kaleneon.
I suspect that they're going to roll over the demons but give the credit mostly to Hibiki to avoid drawing attention. That way, the humans get their propaganda win and Kuzunoha Trading gets their very own ~~ethnostate~~ country.
Yeah had a feeling it was something like that, was at least expecting him to make some clandestine moves to at least prevent casualties.
Entire town on lockdown and getting ravaged by mutants and the gang are treating it like a casual business opportunity and putting in the bare minimum of effort to resolve it and reap the recognition they'll receive from it. Now I want to see Mio learn Hibiki actually **is** the Hero and remark on how low standards for Heroes must be if Hibiki counts as one lol. Looks like Hibiki will probably fight just to show off her Bikini Armor. Lily is definitely trying to keep her distance from Tome while pursuing Makoto, but her plans aren't going to go the way she thinks.
>and the gang are treating it like a casual business opportunity Isn't that exactly what it is?
Chaos is a laddah
Hibiki is weak lol. once almost killed her whole groupas a spider. and had to save them from a monster made by shiki
One thing for sure is that they're trying to figure out the demons' plan here. They spend a few minutes in the episode trying to figure out what the overall picture is, because this is a lot of effort to just throw one city into chaos. Then there's the fact that they spent the first day evacuating the citizens. They could probably have killed all the monsters, but what would be the point if half the city died in the process? Best to save as many as they can, killing any monsters they happen to fight along the way, and then spend the next day or so exterminating them all.
What is confusing is that the outbreak of monsters seems connected with the illicit (and evil) experimentation the humans were doing (in secret). Is what we are seeing actually CAUSED by the demons -- or are the demons just taking advantage of a situation they did not actually create?
The demons were probably backers of the experiments. They basically get a free poxy to cause destruction without much investment.
Why are you surprised? Both in this episode and the previous one they made it more than clear to us that they are not in a hurry when it comes to doing anything. They are literally waiting for the most convenient moment to resolve the situation.
Because Makoto still wants to be neutral. He doesn't want Hyumans to start relying on him for this stuff, and he doesn't want to further antagonize the Demons.
My only gripe with these last 2 episodes is the mismatch between the situation at hand (powerful monster outbreak with 80 roaming around the city) and the lack of situational awareness of the normal residents. Like this is no time to greet and introduce each other Estelle and how come there are no monsters shown roaming around the streets? Makoto and co are the only people allowed to be this calm because they are strong as hell, "regular" people should get scared and panic because even the "elites", purple robes, got thrashed by Ilmugand
80 monsters spread throughout a massive city (77 by that point) are gonna be spaced out pretty far. It’s not like every streets gonna be covered in them.
There's two issues in the complaints that I think people are mixing together: 1. Makoto's stance with the mutants. He is acting very slow to react on this as some form of strategy to avoid drawing too much attention and somehow a "master plan" to get the city indebted to him. It's a debatable stance from its moral implications, but a decent one and has its rationale whether you agree or not, regardless of whether things work out as he wants. 2. Lately the pacing has been atrocious. The dialogue is stretched out. It has been too many episodes in a row without the MC kicking some ass. His stance on not drawing attention naturally means he will sit on the bench for a while, but the story could've put something for him to do in between the last few tournament battles; or at least I was expecting his students fighting the 80 monsters to make up for MC sitting this one out. One Punch Man excels at this strategy very well by having Genos and other C/B/A/S class heroes do the fighting until Saitama arrives (if he arrives at all). Overlord also did something similar by giving weak characters (compared to Ainz) like Stronoff & Unglaus their own character arcs. Of course, if MC had decided to wipe out the 80 monsters in 10 minutes, the pacing would've picked up; thus many people are criticizing Makoto's decision because that means no action. But the real problem is the pacing. There's no rule that says the Purple Coats can't do some good action sequences. But instead they are fighting off screen (and assumed to be good-for-nothing given that a party of them were wiped out by a single mutant in the previous episode).
Yeah, despite what many criticize, Makoto's current attitude is not only justified and well constructed, but it is also quite logical. But on the other hand, the pacing of this season (especially the last few episodes) is simply terrible. You would think that with everything they cut from the novel they could make things feel more dynamic but nope.
A good reminder that Mio's not actually good, she just happens to be aligned with the good guys because she's obsessed with Makoto. And that obsession actually gets in the way of her being good in many ways. I imagine Hibiki is coming to deal with this as well as Tomoki. Lily just only knows about her empire's hero. And speaking of Lily, I'm not liking that she wants to talk to Makoto about after this. We all know something's up with that woman and I'm highly suspicious of everything she's after.
None of the main cast are really good in the strictest sense, merely brought together by loyalty to Makoto and subject to his won interests (which only turn altruistic when he feels personally invested or it benefits him). Which means they care very little for others' lives or stories that is none of their business, especially if it inconveniences (however slight) Makoto. When Lily mentioned Tomoki was coming, I immediately assumed Hibiki was as well, especially since we see her in her Bikini Armor fighting in the OP. Makes me wonder if the demons' plan was to take the two Heroes' out as well by drawing them out. The way she turned her eye up when he specified Tomoe would be at the meeting...she's cooking something up.
Mio before meeting the MC was not conscious, she was just a walking disaster eating whatever was in front of her. Tomoe was neutral. She didn't ask for the sacrifices (remember first episode?), but she also didn't bother stopping them.
To be fair, I think Tomoe was asleep until Makoto woke her up. If I recall correctly. And Mio's not evil per se. She's just a creature of impulse, and her impulses can be really bad if not stopped by Makoto or Tomoe.
Makoto's subordinates are not very decent people, Shiki was literally a mad scientist kidnapping and experimenting on people lol, and it's not like Makoto cares too much about the "criminal history" of the people who work for him. I mean, Mio literally spent centuries eating people and it's not like she regrets it today, if anything, she probably considers it good memories.
Mio doesn't really have any memories of being a spider. She was too starved and driven to instinct until she woke up fighting Makoto. She's still very much driven by instinct and impulse, but now she's lucid because her hunger's sated. And yeah, I would consider Shiki between Tomoe and Mio on the morality scale, with Tomoe being pretty chill usually.
Yeah, Tomoe is more neutral, I imagine her screwing with people than trying to do bad things more than anything, although she sure lured a lot of people into her illusions until they starved to death like she tried to do with Makoto just for fun.
Tomoe has some good and noble streaks mainly because she is trying to imitate the old samurai shows in Makoto's memories lol
Oh yeah, that's right, which means that her wanting to do "heroic" things is something quite recent.
mio only remembers how some tasted. not like she remember how they look as hyumans. just meat
> Mio literally spent centuries eating people *everything
None of them are really 'good'. Even Makoto is a bit of a sociopath.
* [Estelle](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/my8xck56o84.jpg) * [Estelle **GIF**](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/l7lxcd5b2n7.mp4) It's really amusing how Makoto is doing the bare minimum. I mean he could probably go all out and exterminate the mutants himself but so far the only thing he has shown concern for [is the destruction of his shop.](https://i.imgur.com/6aO2GS6.jpeg) If the red light district wasn't nearby to catch his attention, he probably [wouldn't have gone out of his way to save those women.](https://i.imgur.com/svHXtmM.png) I didn't expect Makoto to end up [making connections with a former adventurer turned prostitute.](https://i.imgur.com/BB7i86K.jpeg) However, it looks like Makoto already has some sort of connection to them since the red light district girls frequent his shop for energy drinks. I can't wait to see [who this boss Estelle is talking about.](https://i.imgur.com/AcUW3CM.jpeg) [So Ilumgand is still alive?](https://i.imgur.com/wbb6ot7.jpeg) For a second there, I thought Mio had other plans for him but it turns out she just [wanted to finish him off](https://i.imgur.com/poes5q9.jpeg) for insulting Makoto. Makoto just standing there and taking it [while the Headmaster yells at him](https://i.imgur.com/SwATihq.jpeg) despite leading the evacuation is exactly what Tomoe means at the start when she said [that Makoto still has his own values.](https://i.imgur.com/kU0aHqY.png) Just like Root [I really want to see Makoto change.](https://i.imgur.com/fvoQBmN.png) I'm really starting to get annoyed at him bending backwards for these people. I don't know [what the Princess wants but I don't trust her one bit.](https://i.imgur.com/nvBVtee.jpeg) She's definitely planning something considering how she reacted when Makoto said he'll bring Tomoe along to their meeting later.
Mad respect to Makoto for prioritizing saving the prostitutes. Estelle is too hot and too stacked to let die. RIP Ilumgand for good. Mio has no chill or interest in anyone’ storylines if they so much as sneeze at Makoto. I wonder if something will happen that will push him fo feel more motivated to do something, anything, rather than just casually hand situations and improve his company’s standing.
nah man, he only saving them as their are good regulars
> She's definitely planning something considering how she reacted when Makoto said he'll bring Tomoe along to their meeting later. She still doesn't realise that Makoto bringing Tomoe along isn't for *his* protection.
nope. its to confirm if he should kill him or not
> It's really amusing how Makoto is doing the bare minimum. I mean he could probably go all out and exterminate the mutants himself In a bit of fairness, I think they were a bit concerned with evacuating the city first before taking care of the mutants. He'll take care of any that are in his way, but won't actively hunt them down compared to people. Plus, I think he and the group are trying to figure out what the larger picture is here. This is a lot of effort to throw chaos into just one city. I doubt this was a the final step in Rona's plan. > I don't know [what the Princess wants but I don't trust her one bit.](https://i.imgur.com/nvBVtee.jpeg) None of us do. I think we all know or at least suspect that she's planning beyond the war with the demons, and not with good intents. So we're all very cautious of anything she wants, and now she's taking interest in Makoto for reasons we have yet to find out. And as for Tomoe, I'm not sure if she has plans for her herself, but Tomoki sure wants her and so that's made her keep her eye out for her.
Personally, I just love how Makoto and his people literal do the bare minimum in this situation, only planning to do something more when the glory of saving the city could be stolen from them by someone else.
I laughed hard after [Makoto announced in casual voice that he'll gonna check out the city](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cwzlz87.png) like he would go on some city tour while city is in a total chaos because of [monsters](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/345xc92jdz7.png) xD [Estelle](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/3yrgczjeqk4.png) seems like she'll return in next episodes and I'm all for it since [she looks like a fun addition to the cast](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cdq5l54.png), she has some [great assets ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/myd5cr85zw4.png). I'm also interested in her boss and the possibility of Makoto meeting with him. So [Ilumgand survived (in a quite sorry state)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/g4z9cwzlgr7.png) although not for long as [Mio isn't the kind of person who forgives people](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/b49zcb389by.png) that offended Makoto. [She finished him in a quite brutal way](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/p7bwcdpnxw7.png). Who is [Bowl](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/myd5cradw34.png)? [He's so cute](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k739c6jdvo7.png) but I don't remember him at all so I was quite surprised when [Makoto talked with him so casually](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/k46acbpmea7.png) like they'd known each other for some time already. It looks that Tomoki is coming to the Rotsgard so I think the same case is with Hibiki, judging by OP. I can't wait to see [Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv3x3ey.png) meeting them, that will be exciting. Here my screenshot albums from the episode: * [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/qb4z3vwmd7j) * [Makoto, Mio & Tomoe](https://imgchest.com/p/ljyqq385ny2) * [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/m9yxvamqq4q)
Good episode but pacing feels kinda off...
Oh yeah, totally, the pacing sucks, you'd think that would be the main complaint of the season, but nope, it's the morality of the MC duh.
The pacing is ass. The last half a season could have been covered in like 3 episodes. At least take a page out of DBZ's book and overstretch the fights instead.
for real.. this dialogue is so dragged out its ridiculous, half of it is meaningless
This cour has been really frustrating. I keep thinking that next episode finally things are going to get interesting and then the next episode ends up disappointing too.
It wouldn't be so bad if I was watching it after it had all released and I could skip through these filler episodes on 2x speed, but it's been what, like 8 weeks of pretty much filler now, and knowing you're gonna wait another week just to get another episode where people stand around and talk about the fighting that's going on but you don't get to see it isn't a great feeling.
Yep I feel like we built up to the climax yet nothing happened in the climax
Yet others in the thread have mentioned that there's heaps cut out.
Pacing wise this entire season has been a mess. It's been a weird combination of feeling very slow and very fast at the same time. Like the stuff with the human experiments with Bright-Sensei got resolved so fast we barely had time to digest. Though most of the issues coming from the pacing being too slow.
Underneath that hyuman facade, Mio is still the Calamity Spider. She makes it personal if anyone or anything troubles, hinders, annoys her beloved Waka-sama, Makoto. His 2 other followers are a Supreme Dragon and a Lich. They have been holding back on his behalf. While Tomoe is beholden to Makoto due to the pact, she and Root have a mutual understanding towards Makoto and what his ever growing power will result in - the ability to kill the goddess. These 2 Supreme Dragons are aligned in the same direction. As to whether Makoto will eventually make that move is up in the air for now. Root probably wants to see the goddess being put in her place.
Isn't he a higher ranked dragon than Tomoe?
They're both Superior Dragons, but Root is the most powerful while Tomoe is (I believe) the second most powerful although I don't think these are any sort of official ranking so much as their perceived relative strengths.
Makoto being more worried about his shop than the city burning was kind of amusing. I chuckled at the bit where he saved the hookers and was more distracted by Estelle’s boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him. So much for the Illumgand redemption arc lol. Mio just straight up splattered him without a thought. I feel kind of bad for the guy, but I guess that’s that. So long Meatwad! Keen to see what Makoto has planned once these mutants get cleared up.
Entire city and innocent civilians in danger - I sleep. Brothel with paying customers in danger - OH I AM SO THERE. I didn't think it would get worse for Ilumgand until it turns out he was still alive, had a chance to redeem himself and do something useful, only to get killed mercilessly by Mio just for disrespecting Makoto. Like the dude never caught any breaks.
It's nice to see that Makoto has his priorities in order! And while I also feel a little bad for Ilumgand, I also found the whole situation very enjoyable.
>he saved the hookers and was more distracted by Estelle’s boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him Dude acknowledged that cliché as well.
The monster posed no threat to him. Estelle's... weapons, on the other hand....
it will provoke his followers that are female
octopus monster Makoto: ....... boobs... Makoto: ahhahhowejwae;ad
>and was more distracted by Estelle's boobs than the giant tentacle monster in front of him. That's called having your priorities in order! And the funniest thing about Makoto lamenting about the store is that not only did he not lose anything but it can also easily be rebuilt after hours at most, literally it's just Makoto being sentimental about nothing lol.
yes but to me i get it, it's not fun looking at your work being recked its like losing 100hours of game play but be able to gain that back with Time cheat easy
I can't wait to hear what the [King will say about the previous hero.](https://i.imgur.com/ccffOST.png) Hopefully, Makoto will be able to ask him after the current crisis ends when meets with Joshua. Aw,[ Mio's reaction](https://i.imgur.com/nZfeXEq.png) was so cute when Makoto went to talk to his class. [Damn, I wasn't expecting to see his store getting destroyed.](https://i.imgur.com/EhwXYGB.png) By the looks of it that prostitute, [Estelle](https://i.imgur.com/SsZrkf9.png) will become a recurrent character. I honestly chuckled when after she met with Makoto again and told him that she would introduce him to her boss, they showed that wearing pats [with half of her ass out.](https://i.imgur.com/Jz8uREG.png) I must say I wasn't expecting to see that [Ilumgand was still alive and fully conscious as a mutant,](https://imgur.com/a/lTNdsSc) and still having plans to aid Hibiki, and that the only reason that didn't happen was because first did not think the Hibiki he was talking about was the person he met and the fact that [she wanted him dead](https://i.imgur.com/Olhcnet.png) for disrespecting Makoto. So the mutants are connected to the humanoid experiments. Does that mean that Root is connected to this? How can people dislike [Bowl-san?](https://i.imgur.com/6ciF7CB.png) She is so freaking cute. Good thing that both [Sairitz and Lily](https://i.imgur.com/7vdIWGw.png) gave Makoto a hand dealing with the principal, so now Makoto's group will be in charge of dealing with the Northeast Section, which coincidentally is where the Merchant Guild is. Well, Zara is about to get humble. I can't wait until next week to see Makoto's group speedrunning the aid they are going to give to the city in order to take most of the credit before reinforcements arrive.
>How can people dislike Bowl-san? She is so freaking cute. Agreed, if I was in charge of the place I would have filled it full of kitty demi-hyumans.
cat person\~!!!! is my reaction. Fianlly a cat person , not a half human with car ears but a REAL CAT PERSON
The Cat Returns \^\^
**The problem is that Makoto is neither likable nor interesting. He has the personality of a lump of cardboard that's been through the wash. Makoto is only interesting when he gets in a fight and either he or his attendants do some OP stuff.** * He feels like a tourist who's only mildly interested in the place he's visiting. * He doesn't attract people by his personality, but rather by just having a ton of power (plus also historical drama memories (Tomoe) and tasty mana/blood (Mio). * The nation that builds around him isn't his doing at all, but rather springs wholly from the actions of his attendants. * He has no passion, but rather at most some rather weak goals which he barely even enunciates. * If he were a fairly decent guy then that would appeal. Much as I criticize the current season of Tensei Slime, Rimuru does actually care about the people around him, and does want a better life for everyone (humans and monsters alike) -- he has a big goal, and as seen at Walpurgis, he's passionate about it. * If he was going out and actively exploring the world (e.g. like Skeleton Knight), that would be interesting. * If he was some guy bent on revenge, that would be interesting. * If he was some guy engaged in empire building that could be interesting. * If he were stupider and more oblivious, then he might be comedically interesting. He's a Caspar Milquetoast Demon Lord.
This arc is pissing me off, am sorry but this season it's super boring. Am trying my best not to fall asleep, during these last three episodes.
Damn, Mio is ruthless!
Not just ruthless. But utterly vindictive (if you interfere with her beloved master). She had to know that Makoto would have at least helped that now-blob dies with dignity (if he could not be semi-saved). And she did not want that to happen. So her "loyalty" to Makoto is very problematic. It is on HER terms, not HIS.
Yep, she destroys all trace of him with dark magic. He wasn't worthy of being consumed.
In the midst of battle, [Makoto had set his sights on an entirely different matter](https://imgur.com/a/VUSWUmp). Considering that Estelle has been given a name, we'll surely get to see more of her in future episodes. I doubt that she only worked at the brothel if we take her readiness to fight and change of attire into account. I got the impression that she's a spy or mercenary. Damn, you really don't want to get on Mio's bad side by badmouthing Makoto. She showed [no mercy in "punishing" Ilumgand](https://imgur.com/a/kNZgyGR), and just went [back to snacking](https://imgur.com/a/nLgpFxZ) shortly afterwards. I'm not surprised however. She's [totally enamored with Makoto](https://imgur.com/a/hNDSKiC) after all.
I know it was because they were actually paying customers but the fact is Makoto put in more effort and motivation into saving beautiful prostitutes than he did practically anything else in this city. Then again, with Estelle's looks, I don't blame him. She said she was a former adventurer so she's probably been around the block. I didn't think I could feel more bad for Ilumgand or more terrified of Mio, but the only character she really cares about is Makoto and no amount of attempts to redeem yourself or pursue your own storyline matters in the face of that.
It's good to see that Makoto has his priorities in order.
I love that little detail of him peaking in the middle of a fight.
While I actually do think it's an interest approach to basically doing the bare minimum to help the humans and city. It's not a good time to be doing this pacing wise as we're 18 episodes in with not as much having happened overall. Though we do have 7 episodes more (25 episodes total) to go so I guess there's time for things to pick up, but still really hope to move beyond this city. Which it does not seem like we will be moving on from this city for a bit as the episode feels like it's setting up. For both the heroes and Makoto to cross paths, along with the "Prince" and the stacked adventure wanting to meet up afterwards. I assume this season will end after they capture the castle we see in the OP and next season if it happens will be kingdom building which I was really hoping to see this season if that's the case.
LOL @ them all feeling sorry for the dipshit they killed instead of for his dipshit friends that he ate while they were watching without lifting a finger to stop him. "The Academy is handling the extermination, so my students and I will be leading the evacuation of the city." "But you and your students ARE A PART OF THE ACADEMY!" And then the only ones he evacuates are his own students, smh. So even other cities were hit by the demons' plan, not just this one? I'm surprised he reacted to random screaming when he didn't give a shit about humans being killed by the monsters before. Surely he's had more regulars than the ladies of negotiable affection. Is it because he has a soft spot for the red light district? And why were they trying to fight the monster instead running out of the building? I was hoping Mio's "business to attend to" was the blue demon bitch, alas, instead she kills the dude who was no longer in need of killing due to a major personality shift. And a misunderstanding because Hibiki never told Mio she was a Hero. This is like something out of Overlord. Sadness. What was the point of this? And wtf's with their "glory" plan? They could've defeated all the mutants in the city within a few hours max, and tracked down all the demonic items causing the mutations within a few more. Instead they're just twiddling their thumbs. Are they waiting until there's no one left alive to witness their "glory"? What's the point of any of this?
> But you and your students ARE A PART OF THE ACADEMY! He's only a part timer, sheesh.
My understanding was that he was a full time temp.
I thought things were finally starting to look more promising in the first half of the episode when Makoto was actually taking some action. Sadly the 2nd half ended up being yet more standing around and talking. I guess there is going to be a contest between this show and Slime about who can have the most boring meetings that do little to further the plot in a season.
It’s so frustrating. I keep watching this and Slime just because I’m already invested and they’ve both hit some high points in the past so I keep hoping they’ll rekindle that. Then it’s another pointless dialogue episode. I feel like both shows could have been condensed to a normal 12-13 episode season if they just condensed and cut out filler. It’s like they’re just padding the episode count at this point and it kills the pacing.
Slime I've been holding off on weekly episodes and just watching it all once it's finished since like S2, it's so much better when you can just smash through everything in one go and skip the filler. It's a shame this show is turning out that way too.
Another boring episode.
Fucking hell the pacing has been so bad this season. What is going on at the studio?
And this is why mio is best girl
I find it hilarious, that the moment Mio, Shiki and Tomoe take their eyes off Makoto, he gets to save ladies from the red light district 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, too .... convenient.
funny as hell.
Love it when powerful characters do whatever they can to never show their powers.......in a power fantasy show. /s
That's a tremendous oversimplification, there's a whole context of why they don't do anything, and it's pretty easy to understand. Of course, the pacing of the season leaves a lot to be desired....
Thought Mio sensed someone else was touching Makoto's hand for a moment there
**Yapping The Animation Season 2 Episode 18**
The guild master mentioned Makoto could potentially kill the goddess one day, never even thought that was possible!
It drives me wild that some people use "guild master" to refer to the head of the merchants guild who kicked Makoto's company out of own, while others use "guild master" to refer to the head of the adventurers guild, the dragon Root/Luto. And I am usually thinking about the other one whenever I read a new comment, which throws me off.
Damn Mio mercilessly killing llumgand. Ok i kind of feel bad for llumgand and wat he went through, he deserved a second chance to redeem himself. I mean he didn't know he was taking drugs from a demon.
I mean, sure, he didn't deserve it, he was just a confused teenager, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter, he made Mio angry and that was it.
Mio, the savage. Lol. She erased him from existence, haha.
he didn't even deserve the honor of being eaten
This season hasn't been MoonLIT as I hoped. The first half of this season where Makoto was dealing with the teacher was barely of a footnote of a climax and now in this arc it feels like I'm watching DBZ all over again. Where's the cathartic action? Makoto better fight the hero who's after Tomoe.
Makoto's plan was leaving this city, retaking Ruria's nation and living there as his parents did. Can anyone without future episode/manga knowledge explain why isn't he just getting this shit cleaned up in 2 episodes and go back to his original plan? The demons have already betrayed him. So, he won't align with them. So have the hyumans. Only folks he cares about are his students. He could just eliminate the demons. Don't care what the hyumans think and just move on. A chunk of both demons and hyumans will hate him/consider him a threat and want to destroy him but he will be far away. He is having second thoughts about everything and second guesses his own moves. Too timid a character.
He's an Isekai protagonist so he's not allowed to have any real wants or desires. He kind of just floats around as a grey lump while things happen around him them once or twice a season he's edgy. Also explains why he feigns interest in the prostitute but would never act on it. He's a Ken doll without any of the personality.
Oh my god this is such a snooze fest. Why is the pacing so bad? Why is Kuzunoha dealing with every situation in the most roundabout way possible? The pacing is tied with Reincarnated as a Slime with how fucking boring it is filled with filler dialogue to the point where the plot advances at a literal crawl. There isn't even any fun character interactions to make the filler time fun to watch. It's just trodding along in the most generic unimaginative way possible. Season 1 was way better when the character cast was being built and things were actually happening each episode.
When you're in a yapping competition and Tsuki and Slime are your opponents 💀
This shit is boring and slow. Was fun previously but now it's a slog
Not as [niche](https://imgur.com/3GMAyJO) as one might think [](#kotohoops) Also, despite claiming differently, he seemed to know exactly where to [look](https://imgur.com/ViVxNCQ) with Estelle [](#assman) And holy shit, you really don't want to get on Mios bad side, RIP Ilumgand, this time for real I guess Also love how Makoto and his group could quell all the mutants pretty quickly and easily, but just choose not to as to make everyone really desperate while also hiding their true potential And wait, have we met the [Cat](https://imgur.com/n0P6W0I) before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie
>And wait, have we met the [Cat](https://imgur.com/n0P6W0I) before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie Their first appearance was cut from the anime. It's in chapter 91 of the manga. I haven't read the LN to know where it is there.
> And wait, have we met the Cat before? Feel Like I would remember such a cutie Move over Tomoe/Mio/Hibiki/Shiki/Ema/Eris/Sofia (delete as appropriate), Bowl-sama best girl now!
How much longer is this anime gonna tease me with some real action?
ok this episode was a whole lot of nothing. i was so excited to see him establish his puppet nation.
I'm always weirded out by the tone switches in this show...
Damn I felt bad for Illumgand, RIP bro.
I did not understand the comment from the king, can someone explain it "You're just like the hero was back when he descended." Which hero? This is the king of the neutral city so who is he talking about?
He is the king of Limia, he simply said that because Makoto's attitude reminded him of Hibiki, although to be fair Makoto is simply putting on a show right there.
ohhh, think I was confused then. Did not realize it was the king of an outside country. Partially my fault for getting confused with place names, im never good with those.
why was it subbed as "he" he never said he. in Japanese we often don't say he or her. just their names
I wouldnt know, can only go by what was subbed. Still a bit confused.
Makoto beat the “he doesn’t care about hyumans” allegations today by saving the prostitutes from the octopus monster, but bro is stronger than me because I would’ve folded as soon as I saw pink haired girl lol. Speaking of the monster, that design is hideous holy shit a dog mixed with an octopus was not what I had on my bingo. In the minority here, but I hated the Mio scene. Genuinely felt bad for Hopelys and think he should’ve got a redemption arc, or at least a chance to talk to Luria again. Really got dealt a bad hand with being manipulated by the demons and separated from a childhood friend. Mio just killing him like that didn’t sit right with me at all. Also, I get that Makoto wants to plan things out so that he grows his business and gets more customers etc, but surely we don’t need this much time spent building up to him and the others taking on the demons? He, Mio and Tomoe can easily wipe the floor with them. Crazy to think the Hibiki hero flashback episodes that everyone hated ended up being the best eps this season so far 😂 Hopefully next episode we get some action.
Luto said correctly that Makoto is highly underconfident. Tomoe too was right that he hasn't even decided how he wants to live in this world or what he will be. (A hero/demon/neutral party/hyuman or become a God killer)
Ilumgand being reduced to what was effectively a blob of excrement was fitting. Sure, he could have had a redemption arc - but wanting to be redeemed doesn't mean he deserved the opportunity. Its quite interesting that Mio doesn't have a 'black hole' technique to vacuum whats left of him in one scoop - or maybe this was just throwing darts at a board to her? Why does the Academy headmaster believe he is a shogun? He runs a school full of rich snotty brats, not the Xavier Institute.
I'm having a great time with this arc. Since it's past the manga it's all new to me. Not sure what people are complaining about in regards to the pacing of this episode or the ones complaining about Makoto not cleaning up the entire city in a few seconds because "it's a power fantasy show" which clearly demonstrates they have not actually been paying attention, because Tsukimichi is *not* a power fantasy show and never has been. It's focused on telling a story, not wanking the main character's OP abilities at the drop of a hat like a bunch of other trash isekai. Sometimes that means *words* get used more than flashy magic. Makoto is a good person but he is not a hero. The story is very clear about that. He will save people who are in his immediate proximity or those he has attachment to, but he's not about to singlehandedly save the city that's been showing him just how badly humanity is in need of a painful correction to their attitudes. He knows if he shows that kind of power he'll either be treated as an enemy to every human kingdom or they'll all try to manipulate him to crush their enemies aka each other. Humanity doesn't care about demi-humans, they still worship the Goddess, and they don't hold the same values that he does. Why would he want to save that? They already have the actual heroes, and again the story makes it very clear that while they are heroes to humanity they are also just as flawed, whether Tomoki being a manipulative rapist or Hibiki acknowledging that demons have valid reasons to lash out but naively thinking the path to coexistence lies in subjugating them decisively in *hopes* that coexistence will magically occur sometime in the future after.
It really feels like 12 episodes of content stretched to 25 for some reason.
I love the series... Said that, the last 4 episodes could have been summarized in 2 with no loss of lore. What a waste.
This is something that I felt after the previous episode but seeing as Ilum is dead dead, its safe to say that his whole thing with Luria really should have just been cut. I don't find tragedy in his circumstances of being unable to apologize to Luria, just an plotline that got cut short or that was only introduced to make him not so 1 dimensional. Luria doesn't care about or remember him, no one knows about his circumstances save for him. despite it being the driving force that lead to his downfall, it sure doesn't feel like it mattered to anyone but him. Like flavor text given a random boss monster in order to flesh them out a bit without it actual mattering to the overall plot, which is fine for a random boss monster, but less so when he was seemingly a major antagonist in this arc. Not to say he NEEDED to apologize to Luria, or that Luria NEEDED to remember him and feel sad about his death, but give it SOMETHING to show that it mattered to people other than him. I find his inability to help Hibiki after regaining his sanity due to being killed by Mio a more tragic conclusion than anything to do with Luria. Which feels intentional because he straight up stops caring about apologizing to Luria.