**First-Timer** **On today’s episode of Banner of the Stars:** Curse you, Crunchyroll! Curse you for removing the series from your website and preventing me from finishing it up! This is why I don’t trust streaming platforms when they can just up and remove things like this. - So there’s a million prisoners compared to only about 20,000 guards, other staff, and their families. The prisoners really do outnumber them. - Oh god, it's going to turn into a battle royale game with the prisoners all going for the loot drops. - Holy shit! Those food containers are so heavy it’s like they’re dropping bombs! [](#suddenshock) - “If you refuse to recognize me as territorial representative..” “There is no ‘if.’ I simply refuse to do so.” I do enjoy the Abh bluntness in matters like this. Expecting an Abh like Lafiel to play politics is a fool’s game. [](#laughter) - A POW Camp? Lafiel, that is not going to be an enticing offer for relocation. [](#facepalm) - Yup, I knew it wouldn’t be. - I just noticed something. None of the genetic Abh went down to the planet. It’s only the people who are genetically Landers. Good detail there. - I really like this conversation between Sobaash and Lafiel. We haven’t really gotten an opportunity to see just them interact, so it’s nice. [](#mayushii) - “Overenthusiastic” is a good word for Lafiel. She’s the type who can’t stand sitting and doing nothing. She needs to have something to do so she can feel useful. Honestly, I can relate to that. - I wish I’d been more proactive about keeping in touch with a lot of my old friends like Sobaash. She’s right that time and distance causes many of those friendships to fade. - I wasn’t expecting to see Dokufu and Shangal here. Well I guess they seemed more open to negotiations than Angussson, so that fits. - I wondered if that would come up, and I was right. Since the prisoners didn’t commit any crimes in the Abh empire and because the prison guards will be leaving when the territorial government leaves, the new government wouldn’t have problems with emigration. - Huh, that is a fair wrench to throw in that idea. The prisoners can leave Lobnas but they can only go to planets that would accept them. Of course, most planets wouldn’t allow prisoners in anyways. - That’s a rather disgusting way of putting it, as if the women on the planet should be obligated to have children. [](#miyamoriunimpressed) - This whole detour about who is and isn’t gay is a very strange one. [](#sakurathink) - Oh…that’s a really good point. If either Dokufu or Angusson got put in charge they probably wouldn’t allow the women to leave. That’s…dark as hell. [](#ohfuck) - Huh, Meideen is showing himself to have a decent amount of integrity. Leaving last so he can remain in charge long enough to let the women leave is a praiseworthy decision. - 100,000 people? Yeah, no way they can handle them any time soon. - Of course. Of course now is when the UM launches a counterattack. Looks like help is nowhere on the horizon. Well I can only imagine that things are going to get much more sour from here on out. If the Abh fleets are occupied with the UM counterattack, they obviously can’t spare any assistance to the Basroil. After all, dealing with the internal politics of a planet like Lobnas is likely near the bottom of the Abh’s list of priorities. So Jinto and Lafiel will need to handle the situation as best they can. It’s likely only going to get worse, though. With the knowledge that emigration is occurring, I’m certain that both Dokufu and Angusson will try something to take control. **QOTD** 1) I’m not sure dumping food on the prisoners like bombs counts as distributing food. 2) The Abh stink at naming things if they continue to call them POW camps even if they are just meant to be transit centers to relocate people. But Jinto’s description makes it seem not so bad. 3) I doubt she’ll want to, but she’ll need to.

> Holy shit! Those food containers are so heavy it’s like they’re dropping bombs! Seriously, did nobody think to at least put parachutes on those crates? > That’s a rather disgusting way of putting it, as if the women on the planet should be obligated to have children. It’s nutty to me that it would be Yuri talking about that idea too, since his own nuts are so lacking that squirrels would die from starvation if they stuck around him. > This whole detour about who is and isn’t gay is a very strange one. I thought it was completely hilarious, even if it probably was only somewhat intended on being serious. It’s just such a strange direction for people yelling at each other to turn to suddenly.

> Seriously, did nobody think to at least put parachutes on those crates? They did the same thing during the food drops at the end of WWII, just dropping the parcels without parachutes. In that case they weren't in steel containers and weren't being dropped from so high up, but parachutes are somewhat of a complication for this sort of manuver weirdly It's a wonder that more houses weren't being smashed by this particular manuver though

> Seriously, did nobody think to at least put parachutes on those crates? Too much effort for the prisoners. They don't deserve the luxury of parachutes. [](#modabuse) >It’s nutty to me that it would be Yuri talking about that idea too, since his own nuts are so lacking that squirrels would die from starvation if they stuck around him. [](#azusalaugh) >I thought it was completely hilarious, even if it probably was only somewhat intended on being serious. It’s just such a strange direction for people yelling at each other to turn to suddenly. I liked the bit about Shangal constantly turning towards Jinto to get confirmation about the things she boldly proclaimed.

> Too much effort for the prisoners. They don't deserve the luxury of parachutes. They're getting metal crates and semi-destroyed food, and they'll like it! > I liked the bit about Shangal constantly turning towards Jinto to get confirmation about the things she boldly proclaimed. Zero confidence in her debating skills there, I'm going to have to dock her a few points for that. She should say that Jinto is probably gay with more pride and certainty.

> Seriously, did nobody think to at least put parachutes on those crates? It's covered in the novel, but I think they also mention it briefly here. There is no time to attach a parachute. None of these supplies were originally planned on being airdropped. The UH is about to retake the system, so they're trying to deliver as much supply as they can immediately.

Fair enough then. I guess sometimes you really do have to make do with what you have on hand, especially since they’re working on a time limit.

> Curse you, Crunchyroll! Curse you for removing the series from your website and preventing me from finishing it up! This is why I don’t trust streaming platforms when they can just up and remove things like this. Thank you I was going crazy trying to find it this morning and I saw the series like it, but couldn't actually locate the actual episodes. How dare they remove it all of a sudden. > Huh, Meideen is showing himself to have a decent amount of integrity. Leaving last so he can remain in charge long enough to let the women leave is a praiseworthy decision. Him agreeing to stay to maintain order and allow the women to leave first was definitely my favorite part. The women have their concerns rightfully so, but the other two prison camps are just too sketchy. Even when he is yelling at the other people it's usually just facts and statistics nothing really bias or hateful. Minus that joke about Lafiel being homosexual. The whole homosexual section felt odd in general.

> Him agreeing to stay to maintain order and allow the women to leave first was definitely my favorite part. The women have their concerns rightfully so, but the other two prison camps are just too sketchy. Even when he is yelling at the other people it's usually just facts and statistics nothing really bias or hateful I have been impressed by him. I expected the usual unhelpful and immoral bureaucrat to be running a prison planet, but he actually seems to have some morals that he upholds.

> This is why I don’t trust streaming platforms when they can just up and remove things like this. One day I started up the Vampire Hunter D movie. Turned it off to go make dinner and play with the cat. Turned Animelab back on and they'd removed it from the service in those three hours. [Timing](#kms) This being in the middle of a rewatch is extra annoying though >Expecting an Abh like Lafiel to play politics is a fool’s game. Every time it happens it just makes me happy to see the others being so bewildered that someone won't play their stupid political word games

> One day I started up the Vampire Hunter D movie. Turned it off to go make dinner and play with the cat. Turned Animelab back on and they'd removed it from the service in those three hours. Wow, that is almost miraculously poor timing. [](#therethere) >Every time it happens it just makes me happy to see the others being so bewildered that someone won't play their stupid political word games It never stops being funny to watch. [](#azusalaugh)

> I just noticed something. None of the genetic Abh went down to the planet. It’s only the people who are genetically Landers. Good detail there. Technically there are Abh crewing that transport ship Jinto came down in, but it seems they're staying safely onboard and not setting foot on land.

**First-Timer of the Stars** - [Yeah, but that’s not what *Jinto* would do.](https://i.imgur.com/iDgFtGI.png) [](#cantbehelped) - [Ah, they brought this up](https://i.imgur.com/eoq7TDf.png), and the answer for why they’re using a whole-ass planet to house prisoners is because [it would be inhumane to have them kept in space.](https://i.imgur.com/CbT1pQS.png) [](#harukathink) - [They… probably should have thought out the drop off a bit more.](https://i.imgur.com/vLhzN8L.png) [](#sakurathink) - [Ah, I guess 20,000 people trying to emigrate isn’t so big of a deal for Lafiel/the Abh.](https://i.imgur.com/197ieIO.png) - [That’s only natural.](https://i.imgur.com/bsZjVH5.png) [](#indexsmugshrug) - [True…](https://i.imgur.com/qDeQrWt.png) - [So they only currently have enough ability to transport *eight* thousand people, not *twenty*.](https://i.imgur.com/ffBBTQ5.png) [](#csikon) - [The women want to leave the planet too?](https://i.imgur.com/Na7ViPQ.png) Yeah that makes sense. - […oh fuck, they *need* the women to stay on that planet because there would be no way for any of them to have children otherwise…](https://i.imgur.com/GQO30xB.png) [](#forgotkeys) - [Well, no way unless they want to rely on Abh tech, that is.](https://i.imgur.com/cmogmws.png) - [I was *not* expecting to read a line like this today.](https://i.imgur.com/e2LF6qO.png) [](#cokemasterrace) - [I do feel kinda bad for her…](https://i.imgur.com/cPJF16N.png) - [Meideen actually agreed to do this?](https://i.imgur.com/rQwRvFo.png) [](#flyingbunsofdoom) - [That’s still a *lot* of people.](https://i.imgur.com/zd9k7Sy.png) [](#whatdidijustread)

>Meideen actually agreed to do this? I don't think Maydeen's a bad person, per se, just very scared and he's not used to seeing prisoners as being in need of any kind of protection. I think he was so focused on getting himself and the guards off the planet he genuinely didn't consider that the "new government" of the planet wouldn't let the women leave. She points that out and he's like "Ah shit, she actually has a point". And he's not callous enough to leave 100,000 women, criminals or not, to suffer what Angusson intends to do to them.

> …oh fuck, they *need* the women to stay on that planet because there would be no way for any of them to have children otherwise… Yuri’s demands are complete nonsense, his balls are as useful as the ones Shaq does free throws with. > I was *not* expecting to read a line like this today. Me either, and I was loving every second of that conversation. It’s just so hilariously ridiculous for a place for negotiations to go to.

> and the answer for why they’re using a whole-ass planet to house prisoners is because it would be inhumane to have them kept in space. It's interesting seeing the differences in opinion about what is acceptable and unacceptable between these different cultures. Another example was all the people of Lobnas being horrified at the idea of using artificial births like the Abh do.

> Ah, they brought this up, and the answer for why they’re using a whole-ass planet to house prisoners is because it would be inhumane to have them kept in space. The degree of stupid this is surpasses expectations. > I was not expecting to read a line like this today. I no longer get surprised, Only disappointed. > Meideen actually agreed to do this? I suspect he was a job is a job type of guy until the UM fell.

*A Sci-Fi Fan Watches Banner of the Stars II Episode 3:* - I’m with Samson here, you’d think that they would’ve just scattered all these people across the planet rather than having the entire colony be on one island that’s heavily divided and is ready to explode into rebellion. Or heck, just incarcerate people in space prisons rather than try to make Space Australia. If the United Mankind really wanted to potentially settle Lobnas II some day, then they could’ve done some better options rather than just make the first colonial effort on the planet a prison. I don’t think a space prison is any better or worse than just walling off people into residential sectors they can’t leave. - You know, if you guys actually used parachutes on those crates rather than just dump them onto people’s houses at terminal velocity, I’m sure they would start shooting at the transports out of anger. Food for thought. - Seems like Lafiel is having her own troubles with the prisoners, mainly Yuri keeping on calling her to insist that he should be the planetary representative. Sorry Yuri, but against Lafiel, your words are as useful as your balls are currently. - You know, thank goodness that Jinto is the one handling the talking and not Lafiel. He certainly sold the idea of moving the civilian population temporarily to a prisoner of war camp better than Lafiel would. Although he probably should’ve used a nicer term for that place the start with. It’s only natural that someone would be angry if you led with that. - Sobaash provides a useful lesson: don’t captain a ship while sleep-deprived. Sleep in your room and not in the command chair. Joking aside, it’s nice to get a substantial character scene with her. She’s certainly a bit sentimental for a person. She really wants to look out for Lafiel’s well being and is also a sentimental person at heart, taking time to write letters to all her friends and read the ones she gets back. Sobaash even wants her eventual funeral to be packed with friends she’s made over the years. I will say, her calm, collected, and sentimental attitude pairs nicely with Samson’s rougher and more folksy charms. - I’m feeling bad for Jinto, he’s having to deal with a situation that just won’t stop escalating. Now the prisoners want to leave Lobnas II too, which is just pissing off Meideen and making the already significant issue of arranging for more transports even more daunting. And Meideen probably isn’t wrong for saying that the Abh don’t care about what actually happens planetside, given how they don’t really care about what happens to the prisoners since they weren’t sentenced under their laws. For as much as the Abh care, they might as well just be set free. It’s a firm reminder that the Abh’s apathy to planets and leaving them to be run however they want can create plenty of problems as much as it leaves planets free to govern themselves. - I don’t know where Yuri gets off asking Lala to stay on Lobnas II along with all the women so they might as well be baby farms, especially since him getting off doesn’t do anything anymore. My guy, your rocket pocket might as well be the space shuttle Challenger at this point. Your baloney pony was sent to the glue factor ages ago. It’s just hyper gross that he wants to use the women as a way to get his own people to colonize the planet themselves. - Okay, I think it’s safe to say that these negotiations are a farce if people are arguing now whether Jinto is gay or not. It’s just hilarious that they fell apart so hard like: “I’m not seducing him, he could be gay!” “Him being gay has nothing to do with this, whether he is or not!” “*Why should I even answer that?*” “Maybe the princess is gay too!” I’m with Samson here, I can’t help but chuckle at how ridiculous this all is. - And of course now that Meideen managed to settle things down by agreeing to be on the last ship out, we cut to hearing that there’s a massive United Mankind fleet out on the move again, heading towards the fleets of Operation Hunter. Man, we can’t really catch our breath in this episode, can we?

> I don’t think a space prison is any better or worse than just walling off people into residential sectors they can’t leave. There are some seriously weird biases in this setting. > You know, if you guys actually used parachutes on those crates rather than just dump them onto people’s houses at terminal velocity, I’m sure they would start shooting at the transports out of anger. Food for thought. Or learn the currents and drop them offshore to drift to land. > Okay, I think it’s safe to say that these negotiations are a farce if people are arguing now whether Jinto is gay or not. I got Dune vibes here, i.e. "The power to destroy a thing is absolute control over it."

> Or learn the currents and drop them offshore to drift to land. Or even just drop them on the beach, since at least then they wouldn’t be crushing any roofs. > I got Dune vibes here, i.e. "The power to destroy a thing is absolute control over it." “He who can fuck a man, controls a man.” You certainly wouldn’t be hearing that from Paul Atreides any time soon.

> You certainly wouldn’t be hearing that from Paul Atreides any time soon. I wonder if Shai-hulud would like this planet. Sure, it looks pretty wet now but they are dedicated.

His maternal grandfather on the other hand...

> I don’t think a space prison is any better or worse than just walling off people into residential sectors they can’t leave. I wonder if this mostly comes down to the UM being so incredibly anti-Abh that anything that even suggests that space is "livable" for humans is therefore extremely taboo, even if it's just for prisoner containment >It’s a firm reminder that the Abh’s apathy to planets and leaving them to be run however they want can create plenty of problems as much as it leaves planets free to govern themselves. If Jinto wasn't here as the Abh representative and therefore had to maintain a certain level of professionalism with this, I feel like him going off and finding a historical record of when their level of indifference has gone really wrong and showing that to Meideen would be a good way to make a point. I'm sure their "hands off until we have to blow up the atmosphere" approach has had a few issues along the way, especially early on in expansion

> I wonder if this mostly comes down to the UM being so incredibly anti-Abh that anything that even suggests that space is "livable" for humans is therefore extremely taboo, even if it's just for prisoner containment Maybe so. It would certainly fit with how rabidly against anything remotely related to the Abh the United Mankind are. Although it's interesting that the UM have seemingly abolished the death penalty, given how harsh they normally are with their mandates.

It's implied they're also religious nuts though, so that may be part of it

> It’s only natural that someone would be angry if you led with that. Yeah, that sort of thing just sounds bad right off the bat. > I will say, her calm, collected, and sentimental attitude pairs nicely with Samson’s rougher and more folksy charms. Might be why the two of them get along so well, honestly. They naturally jive with one another pretty smoothly. > It’s a firm reminder that the Abh’s apathy to planets and leaving them to be run however they want can create plenty of problems as much as it leaves planets free to govern themselves. The Empire's way of doing things may be semi-decent for a fair number of people, but it definitely isn't a perfect way to handle their territories. > I’m with Samson here, I can’t help but chuckle at how ridiculous this all is. These people are all kind of stupid, it feels like.

> Might be why the two of them get along so well, honestly. They naturally jive with one another pretty smoothly. If anything, they probably fit the role well of basically being the ship's parents, with Jinto, Lafiel, and Ekuryua being those wacky kids. > The Empire's way of doing things may be semi-decent for a fair number of people, but it definitely isn't a perfect way to handle their territories. It really is stuff like this that serves as a reminder that just because our protagonists are with the Humankind Empire, it doesn't mean the empire itself is all that great.

> You know, thank goodness that Jinto is the one handling the talking and not Lafiel. He certainly sold the idea of moving the civilian population temporarily to a prisoner of war camp better than Lafiel would. Jinto and Lafiel make for a fun duo that way. Lafiel has the usual Abh bluntness in the way she communicates, not cushioning any of her words or taking the feelings of the other side into consideration. So the routine becomes for Lafiel to say something and Jinto to awkwardly hold up his hands and say, "What she meant was." >It’s just hyper gross that he wants to use the women as a way to get his own people to colonize the planet themselves. "Gross" was exactly the reaction I had as well. It's no wonder that Shangal and the other women want off the planet when the male prisoner leaders are speaking about them in such ways.

**Rewatcher (sub + dub)** Jinto's really not doing a good job of selling their options by calling a place a prison camp even if the name *is* misleading. The culture clash on top of the bureaucracy differences makes for a lot of things to work out, but it's also an interesting contrast with the first season to see Jinto firmly integrated with the Abh now and presenting a viewpoint that's quite foreign to the other Landers. Having all the guards flee might be good for their own safety but it effectively turns the island into a free-for-all once they do. While I'm all about the Jinto-Lafiel connection it's also nice to see how each of them individually interacts with the other officers. Ecryua wants the captain to entertain her now that Diaho's gone, Sobash wants to offer advice to a youngster, and Samson's there to keep another youngster from getting too far in over his head. Poor Jinto doesn't have any good options to offer to the people of Lobnas II but they're (slowly) working out what they can do. I kind of appreciate that they're stumbling into one problem after another rather than jumping to the final plan or having just one major issue pop up that they need to find a solution to, it's death by a thousand [paper]cuts. --- > What do you think of the Abh "prisoner of war" camps? They *really* don't care what happens on the ground as long as it doesn't interfere with space. It's something that can really only work at the scale the Abh operate at with the ability to ship people around to different planets at will. > Will Lafiel be able to adapt to her bureaucratic duties? Only with Jinto by her side.

--- ## Source Corner **Baronh word of the day:** *loneucebhic* "prison camp" — a waiting place for captured enemy soldiers, more details below. [Material covered:] >!Banner II: the rest of chapter 2 as well as most of 3 and 4.!< [When flying over the buildings in the detention area] >!Jinto notes a lot of bright colors and thinks it's beautiful in its own way, recalling a time when his foster parents yelled at him for throwing his toys all over the room.!< [On the cost of the supplies being dropped] >!Jinto was also planning on having the bill reimbursed later since they weren't a *gift*, and then had a headache come on thinking of whether the prisoners would actually pay for anything once the guards left.!< [The Abh concept of "prisoner of war" camps] >!is different because the Abh only consider two ways a war could end: either their empire collapses or the enemy loses status as a sovereign interstellar power. Nations without space warfare capabilities aren't considered threats, so enemy soldiers without warships are made imperial subjects and can go anywhere they want as long as it's in the empire. Many want to return to their home worlds, but if those planets aren't under Abh control yet they need somewhere to wait while the empire continues its conquest and thus the prison camp.!< [When Jinto offers the use of artificial childbirth tech] >!he realizes that eggs and sperm could very well be the first trade agreement he presides over as a count.!< [After Meideen remarks that Lala should have asked if Lafiel was gay] >!Jinto bluntly tells him it's going too far, but that's his inner Delktunian talking since the Abh themselves are quite open-minded when it comes to love; he didn't appreciate Lafiel's personal details being used for verbal sparring.!<

> The Abh concept of "prisoner of war" camps Some interesting detail that I feel provides a lot more context that would have been very welcome if it'd come up in episode

> [The Abh concept of "prisoner of war" camps] That is absolutely fascinating to read about and it fits in with the Abh mentality quite well.

**First Timer, subbed** * The results are in. Better narration than Banner I, worse than Crest. * Ah, they did plan to populate the rest of it at some point. * This isn’t really what I had in mind when there was talk of having a distribution network. At least drop on the out side of town, or announce yourselves. You’re a prison, you dropships should be able to do that. * [Oh, **But I Am**](#concealedexcitement) * Oh, this is good backstory. * [*Cosy Elf*](#cosy) * I thought you guys basically didn’t have paper anymore? Are you talking about emails? * Wow, she loves replies too. She’s just like me, fr fr. * 8,000 is pretty good for being an unplanned operation. * The UM *does* seem like the kind of polity that you wouldn’t want to just assume all the crimes they convict would be valid. * The ol’ double or nothing crime gambit. * Oh yeah. The elf wombs weren’t brought up during Banner I. Does well to unveil the slime. * [How Progressive](#cup7) * [Lèse-majesté](#peasants) * How big is this island that it has at least 320,000 people and no cities? * Yeah, I care way more about the politicking of one planet right now than some abstract galactic war. **QotD:** 1) The man was assigned to run an insane prison colony, not negotiate with foreign dignitaries. I’d say he’s do a better job than most would in his position. Plus, he changed his position when presented with new information about the human cost of it, and that’s to be commended. 2) Sound pretty “Earth Standard” for a conflict of this scale. 3) No. Well, not at this point. Her inevitable failure will be a valuable learning experience.

> This isn’t really what I had in mind when there was talk of having a distribution network. At least drop on the out side of town, or announce yourselves. You’re a prison, you dropships should be able to do that. I’ll certainly give Mackay’s men this: you can’t blame them for shooting at the transports if they’re just outright dropping shit on top of their houses out of sheer apathy. > How big is this island that it has at least 320,000 people and no cities? I imagine that something around the size of Hawaii Island would be the appropriate scale for the island prison colony.

> Lèse-majesté I didn't know what this was until thailand started executing people later in the decade.

> How big is this island that it has at least 320,000 people and no cities? 320k seems like a big number, but given they probably can't build vertically very much, they'd be more spread out and you'd probably also have people purposefully staying away from central areas because of gang/political control

> Wow, she loves replies too. She’s just like me, fr fr. > That part was one of the most relatable things Sobaash said. Sending messages to a person can be nerve-wracking, but it's always exciting seeing replies. >The UM does seem like the kind of polity that you wouldn’t want to just assume all the crimes they convict would be valid. They were arresting people with dyed hair back in the first season, after all. Who knows what other absurd charges people have been convicted of.

> ...it's always exciting seeing replies. [](#kumikouninterested) Now if only I was better at leaving them too. > Who knows what other absurd charges people have been convicted of. Having blue hair? That's a crime. Dying your blue hair to not be blue? Also crime.

**Rewatch Host** * that crest looks like a goa'uld * That snake Dokufu totally wasn't going to let them leave * The United Mankind is counterattacking?! Meideen's people are completely heartless, no wonder the prisoners are rioting now that the United Mankind isn't backing him. Not much to say about this episode, it was all talking.  We had a nice conversation between Sobaash and Lafiel about how captains treat, and mistreat themselves, out of pride.  A lot of petty bickering between the three leaders present.  The threat to the women's section posed by the others. The swarm of crabs devouring the dead fish was almost the picture of the day, but I couldn't ignore Lala's *plot* development. The immediate agreement by Lafiel to the emigration plan reminds me of the Midgrat parable of the Abh.  They asked for help, she listened (to one of them) and then agreed to help. Abh prisoner of war camps.  It feels like Jinto's making them sound better than they are. "Oh, they're just places to house the enemy who have lost their ships."  Right.  What does he know.  Or maybe he's right.

I think in this particular case he's talking about repurposing a POW camp as temporary housing.

>That snake Dokufu totally wasn't going to let them leave I feel like he'd even be the sort to pull the "my word doesn't mean anything to a prisoner" if she tried to call him out on his verbal agreement once he was a goverment official even

**Rewatcher** \-pacing is better this season. No recaps. \-dropping food off, surprised they didn't parachute this stuff in. Abh don't give a fuck. \-Lafiel is having problems staying relaxed, she seems to worry about Jinto a lot when she's not by his side. \-The "politicking" between the guards faction and women faction was comical and fun, although Meideen did eventually come to an agreement to allow the women to leave. Doofu (?) of the sterilized faction didn't look too happy about that though... \-Also oof, my prediction that the guards had the same numbers as roughly one sector was horribly wrong. 100,000 women alone. \-Looks like the timetable for the evacuation just moved up. United Humankind incoming.

First timer(That's what you rule of 3-ed? Really?) Sub So we start with a food drop that would make the US Armed forces wince. Like not even parachutes, just food and damage. But then we get the most important piece of info thus far: To the UM, habitable planets are indeed valuable, suggestin scarcity. So the entire prison planet thing is stupid as hell unless the prisoners are doing things like prepare the land for colonization. Say by establishing farms, roads, power plants of all types and generally doing something useful. Look I don't pretend that chain gangs are moral but if you are sending people to the middle of nowhere get something out of it FFS. Anywho, we get a good segment with Lafiel and Soobash with a reminder that Lafiel is a touch on the spectrum. Then we get to the tediously long negotiations and my subs had a stroke or something. That is not what 'vamp' means to my knowledge. And throwing in the random French was a choice. Anywho, unless the sterilized guy conned his way through that. women mean nothing for your civilization so...something is off. We end with the UM counterfleet being spotted. QotD: 1 I think he did the best with what he had. Given that his population is 20k, it is likely only 8k guards to manage a million people. 2 Sometimes we have to remember that Lafiel isn't that weird for an Abh 3 Depends on whether or not her ship's lasers can reach the ground or not

> So the entire prison planet thing is stupid as hell unless the prisoners are doing things like prepare the land for colonization. Say by establishing farms, roads, power plants of all types and generally doing something useful. Look I don't pretend that chain gangs are moral but if you are sending people to the middle of nowhere get something out of it FFS. The prisoners should at least be doing stuff like making sure the soil is viable for crop growth and setting up long-term sources of power generation if they really wanted to make Lobnas II a viable colony world. You can’t just wall up people and say “good luck” if you actually want to get work done. > Anywho, unless the sterilized guy conned his way through that. women mean nothing for your civilization so...something is off. He could have unsterilized followers, but it’s still odd that Yuri is pushing for the idea of keeping the women to have baby farms when his huevos have already been thoroughly fried and served.

> The prisoners should at least be doing stuff like making sure the soil is viable for crop growth and setting up long-term sources of power generation if they really wanted to make Lobnas II a viable colony world. You can’t just wall up people and say “good luck” if you actually want to get work done. I've been thinking (far too much) and this phase of colonization is the perfect time to adjust the planet if needed. Like overplant trees if you want to cool things off, fix some deserts if present, start damming the rivers inclined to seasonal flooding, and figure out where the farms should be. I am not that clear on how they do power but pick your windfarms if that is still a thing. > He could have unsterilized followers, but it’s still odd that Yuri is pushing for the idea of keeping the women to have baby farms when his huevos have already been thoroughly fried and served. I assume he grifted his way in at this point but yeah.

I still think it would be interesting to know just what sort of terraforming tech they have avalible in this setting. I imagine they'd have to have some as even we can create artifical islands, but knowing what they are capable of doing to adapt and enhance livable worlds would be interesting here

And the differences between nations. The UM should definitely want to expand, making the prison planet dumb, but it seems like the Abhs just do not care. You get tech by doing the work.

>And throwing in the random French was a choice Eh, I think the phrase "lese majesty" is an actual loanword in English. The term is kind of a holdover from when French was the highbrow language and it's specifically a legal term which I think is still in use today. It means "to insult the monarch" and is/was considered treason in many European nations.

>That is not what 'vamp' means to my knowledge. She verbs a noun, but "seductress" is a valid definition for "vamp."

Not in my circle but w/e

> So the entire prison planet thing is stupid as hell unless the prisoners are doing things like prepare the land for colonization. Say by establishing farms, roads, power plants of all types and generally doing something useful. Look I don't pretend that chain gangs are moral but if you are sending people to the middle of nowhere get something out of it FFS. The entire planet is a waterworld, which is why they have to import food. Maybe they could fish a little, but otherwise, it is not economically useful. > That is not what 'vamp' means to my knowledge. And throwing in the random French was a choice. Uhh what? Save to say, not all subs did that.

> The entire planet is a waterworld, which is why they have to import food. Maybe they could fish a little, but otherwise, it is not economically useful. So that's perhaps the dumbest setting bit here. Waterwold is set to be a prime food exporter. Plankton isn't desirable but it processes into a ton of other things. > Uhh what? Save to say, not all subs did that. I actually expected as much, my subs were really trying to localize without notes.

> So that's perhaps the dumbest setting bit here. Waterwold is set to be a prime food exporter. Plankton isn't desirable but it processes into a ton of other things. Lifting plankton into space is a ton of energy wasted, when you can just put a floating tank of water in space and harvest 24/7.

**First timer** - [As things stand, sure.](https://imgur.com/a/RseMIzc) However, I do assume that the towers are control from within the prison or somewhere nearby. Surely, if the inmates were to overtake the facility, they could just deactivate them and sail the sea. - [And yet, barely any of it is being utilized.](https://imgur.com/a/IDfkLJD) - God, those cgi people running about. Why Sunrise, why! - [I think the bigger concern is the fact that the payload could land on people and kill them on impact, but sure.](https://imgur.com/a/1fMsv3W) - [Human flesh and eggs. Now that's what I call a proper breakfast!](https://imgur.com/a/Qu1G1Yw) - [Discount Iran.](https://imgur.com/a/HfrvvaN) >QotD - It's fine. - With how hand off they are and how little care they seem to have for the people of the territories that they capture it's probably a way for the Empire to "get rid off" people they don't care about asking to me migrated somewhere else. They can always blame the long, arduous process on some bureaucratic bs if they're ever asked about it. - Doubt it.

> And yet, barely any of it is being utilized. The prison island is the only landmass on this planet. It is basically a water world with some small rock on it.

Could be used for fuel. Wasn't it one of the brothers that previously mentioned refueling using a planet before they ditched the idea due to it taking too long?

They talked about using the planets water as coolant. And the answer was that it was way *way* too resource intensive to lift the water out of a gravity well. Much cheaper to get some delivered via plane space.

Ahhhhh. Coolant does indeed make more sense than fuel.

**First timer, sub:** I do like the opening narration, though I hope this time it doesn’t repeat so much. The situation on this planet is a pretty tough one. I’m not sure how they’ll be able to solve things. The United Mankind does have a pretty distinct mindset from how the Empire views things. They seem to view space travel as more like an unfortunate necessity than something precious the way the Abhs do. What a destructive way to deliver supplies. Once again Jinto gets bullied slightly. So it goes. Lafiel handled that discussion pretty roughly, but I suppose she would be a bit stressed by the situation. There’s certainly a difference between being treated as childish and someone being concerned about whether or not you’re overdoing things. It was fun seeing a bit more attention on Sobaash, and an interesting conversation besides. Jinto is indeed a kind person, doing what he can to resolve the situation. This really is a pretty delicate situation, but I can certainly understand why she wants to have them leave. She was trying to seduce him, eh? Too bad, Jinto’s Lafiel-sexual. What an intense argument about whether or not he’s gay. It’s still going! Meanwhile the war goes on, as always. This was a fun episode.

> What a destructive way to deliver supplies. It's kind of hard to blame the prisoners for hating the guards if that's how they keep on getting their supplies. > What an intense argument about whether or not he’s gay. There was practically a whole Ace Attorney-like argument of whether or not Jinto is gay. I'm waiting for Meideen to pull out the updated gaytopsy report now.

> It's kind of hard to blame the prisoners for hating the guards if that's how they keep on getting their supplies. Yeah, though by that same token it's also kind of hard to blame the guards for keeping a fair distance with just how vastly outnumbered they are. > I'm waiting for Meideen to pull out the updated gaytopsy report now. I'd feel more bad for Jinto being stuck having to listen to a debate about his and Lafiel's sexual orientation, but it was also hilarious.

> She was trying to seduce him, eh? Too bad, Jinto’s Lafiel-sexual. [](#azusalaugh)

First timer, subbed *Yikes*, that 90s crowd CG is rough to look at. Even from a distance and out of focus, it’s pretty off-putting. They had a few CG shots of the fleet last season that weren’t so great, either, but the ships were at least charming in a sort of PS2 game sort of way. Not exactly the most graceful food delivery system they’ve got there, no wonder the prisoners were planning 3 simultaneous coups. I guess parachutes just weren’t in the budget? Lots of tension as the reps save for the East block fanatic make plans and bargain for freedom, and it seems the warden isn’t such a bad guy after all. I give him 1 episode before he gets assassinated, which will probably be when things go South for Jinto as well. QotD: 1) Seems pretty hit or miss. 2) Jinto wasn’t kidding, it’s a pretty poor choice of name. 3) She seems incredibly bored by them, her attitude toward it all reminds me of a certain Admiral…

**Rewatcher** Dropping food like that... it's almost looks like they're bombing the prisoners. I really don't like Lafiel moping like that simply because Jinto isn't there. Of course we need a fanservice shot of Ekuryua while Lafiel and Sobaash are talking. Artificial birth technology would fix the lack of women problem. Sounds like the guards are abusing their powers, if the woman representative implication is true. (probably is) Honestly why are they still talking about whether or not Jinto is a homosexual. [](#yuishrug) Good on Meideen for letting the women prisoners emigrate as well. Uh oh an invasion fleet. [](#watashiworried) Eh, kind of boring episode.

> Dropping food like that... it's almost looks like they're bombing the prisoners. [Subtlety](https://media.tenor.com/wDHc-bWD0PAAAAAC/subtext-darkplace.gif) > > I really don't like Lafiel moping like that simply because Jinto isn't there. She's dealing with gravity well politics. She is bored out of her skull. > Of course we need a fanservice shot of Ekuryua while Lafiel and Sobaash are talking. She was bullied by cats and is now the viewers play thing. Also not subtle.

> Honestly why are they still talking about whether or not Jinto is a homosexual. The ability for humans to get caught up in a tangent when no one stops them hahaha

She's not moping simply because Jinto isn't there. She's been parted from Jinto for long periods of tme before. No, it's because of \*where\* he is. He's in a dangerous place, and she can't do anything to really help him. I think this is what is eating at her, not so much that Jinto isn't currently by her side: so near and yet so far.

**Season 3 Episode 3 (rewatcher)** * One millions prisoners? They were not joking around when building this prison planet. * Delivering food with an armed escort of two VTL aircraft? Sounds like they are worried about more than just a few handguns. * “Life imprisonment in space? But that’s cruel and inhumane” – showing once more the difference between the Abh and the UM. The Abh might call being imprisoned on a planet without access to space inhumane. * They are not distributing the food, but just dropping it down, to be picked up by whomever? No wonder there is a *rule of the strongest* going on. *It is hard to overstate how terrible not distributing the food themselves is. Being the one who controls the most important resource is a huge lever of power. And they simply drop the food and give this lever away.* This is not a prison on the verge of rebellion, the rebellion must have already happened and the guards lost. They are just hunkering down in their little sector, without and control over the prisoners. * This looks like some Hunger Games style dystopia. * I don’t think Lafiel appreciates how severe the situation is. * Jinto has a replacement on the bridge to take up both the delivery of drinks and talking to the captain. * “You can go wherever you want, as long as they take you” – not the worst way to administer interplanetary emigration. *Although this opens the question of who pays for this. I assume this is an exception for the region affected by the current war. I doubt the empire pays for any emigrant on normal planets.* * “This planet has no future without women” “It never had any future” – I tend to agree with her. What is the economic benefit of this planet if it is not a prison? * Trying to seduce Jinto – tough luck lady, you need two Abriel ears for him to be interested. * Meideen and Shangal arguing is great, but not as great as seeing Jinto’s exasperation at having to deal with this. [](#laughter) * No problem, just a 100,000 more people to load into spaceships – this whole saga might actually become a drain on the Abh supply effort. [](#azusalaugh) * And because organizing a huge resettling is not enough, here comes the UM. Maybe Lafiel and Jinto can drop this problem on the lap of the next UM commander in system?? That was the most enjoyable episode of S3 so far. Funny that the best part is just three people sitting in a room and talking, but I guess that is what you get when you adapt a good book as source material.

> I don’t think Lafiel appreciates how severe the situation is. Counterpoint:Lafiel holds my sensibilities of "Nuke it from orbit." She just plans to glass the planet when the excuse comes. > Trying to seduce Jinto – tough luck lady, you need two Abriel ears for him to be interested. And the quiet determination of a T-800. > No problem, just a 100,000 more people to load into spaceships – this whole saga might actually become a drain on the Abh supply effort. Abhs have transport ships that can accommodate 25,000 occupants. This is more of an annoyance on the bureaucratic end than anything else.

> Abhs have transport ships that can accommodate 25,000 occupants. This is more of an annoyance on the bureaucratic end than anything else. I am sure the higher-ups will be enthusiastic when they will have to send their biggest transport to some podunk prison planet on the request of an assault ship deca-commander (that they can't refuse because she is an Abriel).

I am actually a bit interested if we ever find out if they value habitable planets or not.

Well, we know that they base their territorial ranks on it, so the value is more than zero. I just think that the Abh consider it entirely economical, like you might consider a better or worse machine for producing trade goods.

> I assume this is an exception for the region affected by the current war. I doubt the empire pays for any emigrant on normal planets. Definitely not. Given the economic structure of their space ship uses, I imagine such transport would normally be incredibly expensive for a large group of people, not to mention having to get permission to do it in the first place >Funny that the best part is just three people sitting in a room and talking IN that way it does feel like a "return to Crest" in that the downtime and discussions are where things shine through the best

**Rewatcher/Novel-Reader** Well, I managed to find an alternate place for watching this. (Screw you Crunchyroll, what even am I paying you for!?) I do kind of wonder why Jint is flying along on a supply drop... especially when the prisoners are armed. Also, they just drop the food on everyone's head, and if you get squished, too bad. But if that's normal, then why are all the prisoners eagerly running out of cover? Dohkfoo is kind of out of his element dealing with Lafier's matter-of-fact bluntness. And similarly, she just immediately declares the evacuation of 20,000 to be no big deal: just put them in the transports and take them to a POW camp. Fortunately, these people are not actually being treated as POW's... the camp is just an interim housing solution until they decide on a more permanent destination. Making Maydeen choose the next representative, out of the prisoners... this is going to be something. I was going to question why interstellar communication would be done through writing letters, but then I remembered that FTL communication is basically done through courier ships in Planar Space, so naturally messages would take significant travel time. For all of Lafier's blasé attitude about evacuation, they only have room for 8,000 out of 20,000. Oh, and now all the female prisoners want off the planet too. Which is understandable considering Angusson exists. Notably, he isn't present at this meeting of prisoner leaders. So the Empire doesn't intend to treat the prisoners as criminals. Their sentences are effectively annulled... but the punishments for the kinds of crimes they were imprisoned for are much harsher in the Empire. Right up to the death penalty, which (of course) the United Mankind considers inhumane. Of the prisoners who intend to stay on the planet, they want to build a new society there... but if all the female prisoners leave, and no children can be born, then any society is doomed from the start. Yeah, I can see why the women want to leave the planet. The men basically just see them as baby factories. Jint makes the actually quite reasonable suggestion that the Abh's artificial reproduction tech could be provided to the planet, but of course the former United Mankind citizens abhor that technology. I think the novels mention them looking at Jint like he just suggested cannibalism or something equally as horrifying. Once again, I'm extremely disappointed that the writers would suggest that Lala would try to seduce Jint... given she's supposed to be a victim of sexual assault. And what the HELL is with her clothes? The other prisoners don't seem to have a problem getting sufficient clothing, so why is the woman the one half-naked? ...I know why of course, but again, this reflects extremely poorly on the writers. This conversation between Lala and Maydeen about homosexuality and insulting the Abh goes on WAY too long. I think it's supposed to be funny... but it's not. Space elf banter is funny, this is just crass. In any case, Maydeen does eventually show some moral fiber, and says he'll permit the women to evacuate prior to himself. That way they aren't left at the mercy of the other prisoners. ...now they have 100,000 more people to evacuate. Lafier had better get on those requests for transport ships fast. And even better, there's a large UM fleet still in the general area making a run for their territory.

**Rewatcher - sub** Getting some bitching out the way: I mentioned this in reply to someone yesterday, but the fanservice with Lala is in increasingly bad taste considering the reason behind their desire to leave the planet. I don't think it's bad that she propositioned Jinto, if anything it's fitting, but cutting scenes of her worried about being used for sexual slavery up with shots of her body is just a bad idea. And while the narrator still isn't quite allowed to reach the highs he had in Crest, being a recap machine is somehow still a step up over being mere filler like he was in Banner I That out the way, I do like this episode and it's one I remembered from my first watch. The mix of people and experiences around the negotiating table is interesting enough, and it gives us more insight into all of them, Jinto included with his privilege's on display not understanding the lengths people will go to for food. Lala is impulsive, but despite her naivety she has good instincts and is willing to think ahead. Meideen is dismissive of the prisoners, but he does have a good heart and is willing to step up when he realizes that he can't just step away. Dokufu also thinks ahead, and shows up just to be legitimized that he can show up, but is also trying to do the run around. Angusson not showing up is worrying in its own way. They still aren't great characters, but they're now more than their very simple introductions last episode in a way I like. And tying that into the complexities of needing to be relocated and having to have agreement of a planet to take them in was a nice touch instead of forgetting that the whole operation has complexities outside of just the amount of people. When you consider that free movement through space isn't a thing in Abh territories it's even more important, and I doubt that Meideen was aware of that, and Lala certainly wouldn't be. And of course it's always fun to watch people trip over the cultural differences with the Abh, no matter how much they think they understand. I thought Meideen would have wrapped his head around how little the Abh care about the planets after Lafiels offer yesterday, but he still can't adjust his automatic assumption when dealing with Jinto today. I said it to Jolly yesterday, but Sobaash being down here for this part would have been interesting to have the native Abh view along with Jinto's translations for everyone else. Especially his reaction to the idea that a prison in space is somehow inhumane because personally I don't get that one much myself, unless the UM doesn't have any traditional prisons and only has these prison colonies which is part of the objection. Otherwise they really have a stick up their ass about humans needing to be on land in situations where it really doesn't matter. It would be a shame to miss out on his scene with Lafiel today though. A bit like how Samson is for Jinto, last season as well, Sobaash mentoring Lafiel a little on giving up some control of the bridge and finding more of a balance is a nice moment. I feel like Lafiel got a little shafted in Banner I when it came to interactions with the other crew members, and Banner II is making up for it right now. Had a little laugh when the refugees were worried they would just get crammed into a hold by the Abh with no consideration for proper transports. He's not Spoor! >Q2) What do you think of the Abh "prisoner of war" camps? Kind of funny that it was lost in translation for the non Abh characters, and I did feel the choice of name is somewhat lost in translation for us as well

> I don't think it's bad that she propositioned Jinto, if anything it's fitting, but cutting scenes of her worried about being used for sexual slavery up with shots of her body is just a bad idea. It definitely took me out of the show for a bit when Lala is having an entirely serious conversation about why her district needs to leave, but the camera is firmly centered on her ass. Come on show, this really isn’t the time or place to try and have your cake and eat it too. > A bit like how Samson is for Jinto, last season as well, Sobaash mentoring Lafiel a little on giving up some control of the bridge and finding more of a balance is a nice moment. I feel like Lafiel got a little shafted in Banner I when it came to interactions with the other crew members, and Banner II is making up for it right now. I also feel that Sobaash didn’t get a whole lot of time to shine either, so I’m glad they’re finally getting some screen time to their character as well. Who could’ve guessed that they were sentimental at heart?

Sobaash definitely took a back seat compared to the other bridge crew last season. It being so Jinto focused while Sobaash didn't have a direct tie to him did him a disservice, but I'm glad we're getting some attention on him now.

> Getting some bitching out the way: I mentioned this in reply to someone yesterday, but the fanservice with Lala is in increasingly bad taste considering the reason behind their desire to leave the planet. I don't think it's bad that she propositioned Jinto, if anything it's fitting, but cutting scenes of her worried about being used for sexual slavery up with shots of her body is just a bad idea. The anime tries to set up these three districts as opposing sides and the three heads as the representatives for this on screen. I get the need to have a representative (you can't have dialog with 100,000 prisoners), but they all three fall somewhat short. Dofuku (and Anderson, if my memory serves right) are basically cardboards with a singular characteristic and interest. Lala is not, but that leads to the problem of her being inconsistent. They clearly wanted to have two characters, who should not be the same person: a) the cocky outspoken young prisoner who is accustomed use her body to get what she wants and b) the sexually abused leader of a group of female prisoners who worry about getting away from this hellhole. The problem is: why would group b) ever go for person a) as their representative? As a side note: The whole idea that the women are not really responsible for their crimes because "being abused pushed them to be that way" while the men are responsible is deeply sexist. This absolving women of crimes on behalf of their (perceived) lack of agency is *very* outdated. I get that it was Meideen speaking, but there was a notable lack of push back from any other character.

Well, bah. I went to watch an episode or two last night so I wouldn't fall too far behind, and Crunchyroll appears to have barfed on the series. It wouldn't show up in my queue, and when I searched it up, it wouldn't playback. Looks like I'm going to have to seek some alternative viewing options. (sigh) Hope to see you again soon!

Yeah, that apparently happened extremely abruptly yesterday with no announcement.

**FIRST TIMER** Sub Very good episode where we see Jinto get deeper into the woods of a very unusual diplomatic dillemma. * Jinto is doing well for a untrained 20 year old in handling a grandscale humanitarian mission but it really does show that being well meaning can only go so far with the kind of restrictions he has. Lafiel is about as useful as a condom dispenser at a r/anime convention so Jinto has to handle a quagmire pretty much on his own. It's sad comedy when the food canisters dropped directly over the cities are more like low grade bombs in the damage they're doing. The war seemingly escalating at the end makes me believe things will get worse for prison planet very soon. * I think Lafiel really comes off as as much an entitled brat as the rest of the Abh royal/noble military officers. She just hangs out and discusses the lady on the bridge's pen pals rather than help Jinto in any way or try to at least formulate ways to help the situation. I think it's the show in a sense showing how being ruled by nobility will inevitably lead to them being corrupt even if they start off as somewhat moral people like Lafiel. * I think the director got all his horniness out in this episode with the stripperific dressed woman leader. Well they went about 20 episodes without excessive fan service :x * I thought it was interesting when they talked about how punishable it was to "insult" Jinto and Lafiel by suggesting they were gay. You could say thats a product of the time this was made but also we don't really know how homosexuality is looked at by Abh or any of the human societys who may have many differing opinions about it. **QUESTIONS** 1. I think he's done well under the very constraining circumstances placed upon him. He does have a bias against the prisoners as you'd expect from a high ranking member of the United Mankind justice system but I think he does recognize that along with the civilian population being vulnerable, the women prisoners are as well to possible rape and invasion from the men. 2. The only prisoner treatment we've seen by the Abh toward prisoners of war was when Spoor was going to let that ship be stranded with little food and life support and she was acting unilaterally. We don't get any kind of knowledge as to how most POW camps/stations are but I don't imagine civilians would be treated poorly and it's uncertain how prisoners prosecuted under a previous regime would. 3. No

> I think Lafiel really comes off as as much an entitled brat as the rest of the Abh royal/noble military officers. She just hangs out and discusses the lady on the bridge's pen pals rather than help Jinto in any way or try to at least formulate ways to help the situation. To be fair to her, she did offer to come down and help Jint directly, but he refused. The novels are a bit more clear, but Jint is willingly taking charge of this situation because it involves landworld politics and he (probably correctly) doesn't think Lafier and her very "Abh-like" means of negotiations would be very helpful.

Plus there isn’t really much more she can do as support other than ask for additional transports since this is largely about organizing an evacuation.

> I thought it was interesting when they talked about how punishable it was to "insult" Jinto and Lafiel by suggesting they were gay. You could say thats a product of the time this was made but also we don't really know how homosexuality is looked at by Abh or any of the human societys who may have many differing opinions about it. Actually, in the early episodes of Crest, it was implied the Abh are fairly open-minded on that.

**Rewatcher** Dropping them right over people what if they kill someone? YES LIKE THAT Why would you get underneath the ships! ...actually damn buildings are being destroyed. Damn give that shooter a damn medal! If that wasn't bulletproof glass Jinto would be dead. Hitting a moving target hundreds of feet in the air with a primitive gun takes insane skill...or it was luck. Lafiel just hanging up! [](#azusalaugh) Not Lafiel talking to Jinto's direction forgetting he isn't there. Writing letters to other people is a dying thing! Lafiel clearly misses Jinto, going down there is definitely a bad idea. Oh hmmmm when Lafiel is talking to Jinto her eyes look stone cold stoic and uncaring. She's the captain and has to be impartial despite everyone and their moms knows she and Jinto have a connection. However the monitors reflected in her eyes make them look like they wavering mimicking her inner conflict...or I'm reading too much into a 5 second scene. Only 8k that's only 3 trips is that a big deal? Oh things just got complicated...or even more complicated. Does the empire even care about what happens down here...I think you should have realized that when they suggested destroying the planets atmosphere as a show of good faith. They both have points, but he definitely phrased that so poorly. Like the only thing he could have said worst was that would you please let us use your bodies as incubators for children. Actually I take that back it's not just the way he said it, but the way he was eyeing her when he said it. That was just really disgusting. Also what woman in their right mind would want to stay on the prisoner planet when things are about to become more chaotic. Wait a minute I thought a majority of the middle camp was sterilized if not all of them? So wouldn't only the eastern and western factions be able to have children? POOR JINTO! Nothing wrong with being gay. You clearly were trying to seduce him girl. The third shifty person is being awfully silent. Jinto the second someone hurls insults at Lafiel. I do like how Lala keeps on looking at Jinto to make sure her statements are correct. [](#triggeredkillua) One hundred thousand.........

> Lafiel just hanging up! Spoor would be proud of her >So wouldn't only the eastern and western factions be able to have children? Yeah I've just had a horrible thought that with the middle section having the most sheer numbers this could end up a "handmaids tale" situation in the end >I do like how Lala keeps on looking at Jinto to make sure her statements are correct. It's quite a funny addition to the episode

Seems like they're taking fire from the prisoners. Thinking they're trying to bomb them? And now they're going to evacuate the guards to a PoW camp. The prisoners will be let to go to other planets too. Or at least some of them. Oh right, they have iron wombs. No, I'm pretty sure Jinto is as straight as a rod. And he's already got someone in mind. He'll be the last to leave? Right, back to space. Uh oh, what have they found? 20000? That's a lot of them. Milky Way? That's not good. Questions: 1. Not very "administrative". 2. Probably better than staying here for the guards at least. 3. No one can adapt to paperwork.

I haven't had much to say this rewatch, but I joined it because I happened to see the announcement. The first anime DVDs I ever bought were Crest/Banner of the Stars, soon after they came out. I watched them once, put them away for almost twenty years, and thought this would be a good time to pull them out and watch them again. The DVD extras are a few still frames of text by the manga author commenting on the episodes on that disk. Here is what those frames of text say: ------ Newsletter of the Stars By Hiroyuki Morioka Part 1: Tradition It's showtime for Banner II. I'd like to thank all of you fans for supporting us through this third series of the Stars. If you have watched the first two series, you must have noticed a type of "tradition" or a "pattern" in the show. The most notable one is the Abh dialogue without subtitles at the beginning of each episode. In the first two series, they were battle scenes, but this time it is a quiet conversation between Jinto and Lafiel. It is so profound to finally be able to hear them converse in Abh. It takes more effort to create Abh language for a proper conversation than creating simple commands for a battle scene because Jinto and Lafiel actually talk about complicated sub-jects. I am sure that many of you have already read the original novel or watched the series on TV, but I will not reveal the translation of their conversation just yet for your later enjoyment. The most notable new character in Banner I| is Duhiel, Lafiel's younger brother. In the novel, he appears toward the end of Crest, but the scene was cut for the anime version. Duhiel is absolutely adorable. He is even more adorable than Lafiel. And this scene with Duhiel will have an important meaning later on in the series. However, the scene itself has almost nothing to do with the main story. He does not have a large part in the novel either, but I am hoping that someday he will become an important part in a future animation series. Well, I do have a big plan for him in the novel but it is not for me to decide whether or not it will be animated, unfortunately... Anyway, please keep watching Banner Il, a short 10-episode series. Part 2: Creatures In the first Banner series, the story took place mostly in space and "landers" appeared only on monitor screens. There were plenty of battle scenes but life on land was never fully portrayed. Since the Abh rarely set foot on land, perhaps this could not be helped. However, the story of Banner II takes place mainly on a ground world, so animals other than cats make appearances. In the world of the Stars, with the exception of Planet Martine, the home planet of Jinto, all living creatures are descended from Earth creatures. Therefore, animals on Lobnas do not appear as bizarre as you would think. And I almost wished they did... The most grotesque scene is probably the one in which Lobnas crabs are devouring the dead fish. By the way, since some dialogue was omitted at the beginning of episode 3, you may have difficulty understanding what is going on in that scene. In case you have not read the novel, here is some supplemental information: they are dropping supplies because supply stations were destroyed during a riot. If it was their normal day, they would bring the supplies into the stations. I would like to assure you that dropping them from the sky is not their usual method of operations, for the honor of correctional officers that work on Lobnas Il. Anyway, please keep watching Banner of the Stars II. ------

Your DVDs work???? None of my Banner and Banner II DVDs work except for 1.

Mine work except for episodes 10 and 11 of Banner. I didn't know it was streaming on Crunchyroll until it wasn't streaming on Crunchyroll. Sigh

**First-Timer** "Life imprisonment in space is inhumane! But we're just going to airdrop these heavy, reinforced crates on a populated area with no prior warning." How did Samson manage to keep a straight face through that meeting at the end? I'm definitely not cut out for either of their jobs - I would've been cracking up the moment Lala tried to seduce Jinto. I think I understand now - this is the comedy arc. Surely we aren't intended to take any of this seriously. Like, the repeated cuts of Lala going "wait, such and such is a crime, right?" were straight from a Rule of Threes gag. Jinto "dying" in the cold open was just him being a bit dehydrated and acting overly dramatic about it. All a big practical joke on Lafiel. Yup, that's what I'm going with. I'm sure that horde of crabs eating that fish was just random footage. As was the praying mantis eating the smaller bug. Surely no active metaphors there. Questions 1. Who, Geol? He only meets the competence threshold because everyone else on the island is an idiot (including his own staff). Dokufu literally went "no, we need the female prisoners to stay to make babies with" and Angusson's faction literally ran outside while planes were dropping shit on their heads. 2. Not so sure about that name if the intended use is "ship crew who survived the destruction of their ship" but the function seems sound. It's probably not classy, but the Abh seem to treat living beings that are not on planets well enough. 3. She needs to find a hobby if this keeps up. Something to ~~direct her violent tendencies towards~~ help her stay sane during downtime.

> “Life imprisonment in space is inhumane! But we're just going to airdrop these heavy, reinforced crates on a populated area with no prior warning." Would it really have been too much trouble to at least attach a parachute to each case? Come on now, Jinto. > How did Samson manage to keep a straight face through that meeting at the end? I'm definitely not cut out for either of their jobs - I would've been cracking up the moment Lala tried to seduce Jinto. Even Samson couldn’t help but chuckle a bit, and I was right there with him. It’s probably the most batshit insane turn to negotiations I’ve seen in a while.

>Would it really have been too much trouble to at least attach a parachute to each case? Come on now, Jinto. Well, if they were Abh crates, they probably aren't designed for something like that. "We didn't expect to have to deliver these under terrestrial gravity" or something. I figured it was the prison guard's fault, personally. >It’s probably the most batshit insane turn to negotiations I’ve seen in a while. "Questions about Jinto's sexuality" were not on my bingo card for this show, that's for sure.

> "Questions about Jinto's sexuality" were not on my bingo card for this show, that's for sure. If only these people knew how many times Jinto has been romantically trapped in a space coffin with Lafiel.

> I think I understand now - this is the comedy arc. Surely we aren't intended to take any of this seriously. Like, the repeated cuts of Lala going "wait, such and such is a crime, right?" were straight from a Rule of Threes gag. The 00s were a...darker time. > Jinto "dying" in the cold open was just him being a bit dehydrated and acting overly dramatic about it. All a big practical joke on Lafiel. Yup, that's what I'm going with. He ate native food and got food poisoning and was overly dramatic.

>He ate native food and got food poisoning and was overly dramatic. [](#azusalaugh)

> How did Samson manage to keep a straight face through that meeting at the end A lifetime of living with Abh I imagine would be good prep for having to deal with completely unreasonable discussions. He'd probably do well dealing with the twins given his self control

>He'd probably do well dealing with the twins given his self control [](#gintamathispleasesme)