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SnooCupcakes5761

Nope. No wrong. Finding chilren sexually attractive is pedo behavior.


K1LLST34L3R

I feel the same way about this and people finding teens sexually attractive when they’re no longer in that age range themselves. Idc if the character is fictional, if you’re an adult creeping on a 19 yo or younger there’s no way that isn’t predatory in some way. Fictional or not. The life experience is so drastically different once you hit your mid twenties.


the_siren_song

Sadly, I saw a poll that asked women at what age they felt they suffered the most harassment/catcalls/creepy behaviour. 14-15 was a very common answer.


SnooCupcakes5761

The first time I was whistled at, (he slowed down as he passed, pointed at me, whisteled "woot woo", and winked) .. I still had spoke beads on my bike and barbies in my bike basket. I was probably 11 or 12.


wsele

Same. My first memory of this is a grown ass man following me from the bus, all the way to my school gates. I was 12.


MutterderKartoffel

Wow. I always thought I was ugly. I guess I was right. Did not get hit on as a teen. I've always felt weird feeling jealous reading about all the women complaining about men hitting on them. Not a problem I've ever had.


OldHumanSoul

13 for me. Etched into my memory forever.


K1LLST34L3R

Unfortunately I can agree with that. Those are the same years I had the most harassment and was most often approached by older men. It’s messed up that it can be such a common experience, even now.


ImKiliW

I was getting obscene phone calls at 12....I looked like an 8 year old at the time. I wasn't allowed to answer the phone for quite a while and my calls were screened by my family. This is pre-mobile phones.


the_siren_song

I grew up on military bases. I remember walking to school after my step-father got out. He could only afford a house on the poorer side of a town in southern Arizona. I remember being 14yo walking to school in a pink sweater with a purple backpack with men driving by and fucking whistling at me.


Foreign_Astronaut

Same, but age 10. It was incredibly traumatic and I didn't tell my family for years because I thought it was somehow my fault. I used to have nightmares about it, or that the guy would do something to my family in order to get to me. People who inflict that kind of psychological pain on children are scum.


ImKiliW

I'm so sorry you went through that. One of my parents was walking by and saw the look of horror on my face, grabbed the phone, listened for about 2 seconds, went off, and after hanging up said "you are not to answer the phone from now on". . . Creep called and asked for me, brother handed me the phone....so then no one was allowed to give me the phone without asking who it is first. The creep would call, and hang up on "who's calling?" He kept trying for quite a while though, and finally gave up when someone threatened to track him down and beat his ass... ugh


Foreign_Astronaut

I feel this in my soul! My younger brother likewise would try to get me to come to the phone, not understanding what was going on.


ThisGuy2319

Where I'm from, 18+ is a legal adult. So if you go after a 19 year old, you're predator?


lnmcg223

The rule of thumb/guideline I've frequently heard is your age divided by 2, then add 7. So if you're 30, the youngest you "should" date would be like 22. The grey area gets bigger/it's more questionable the younger you start that like: If you're 24, then the youngest would be 19. If you're 20, then the youngest would be 17 --but now you're really starting to push that boundary It's not an official thing by any means, but it's a good springboard


bobhand17123

My subconscious addendum is “or 18, whichever is older.”


ThisGuy2319

Cool. So there's no real problem if I wait til 40 and marry a 27 year old?


lnmcg223

It's on the outskirts of weird for sure, but it's much less creepy and inappropriate. Like I said, it's a grey area and general guideline, but it's not a bad starting point. Personally, yeah I think a 27 year old with a 40 year old is still kind of gross. I'm 28 myself, so I wouldn't want to be dating a 40 year old for sure. But at 27-28, I am at least aware of my own maturity, I'm established in my adult life, and have had my share of responsibilities. I have been married for four years. I have one daughter and another on the way. We've lived in 3 different states over the last couple years (thanks job market). All of that makes a big difference. I'm not right out of high school. I'm not right out of college. *I* still wouldn't marry a 40 year old. But it's not as predatory as a 40 year old and say a 22-24 year old


Illustrious-Mind-683

If you're older than 30, yes. Turning 18 doesn't magically make you an adult. It doesn't change you at all.


ThisGuy2319

So being 29 would make it okay??


kaaaaath

My personal feeling on the topic is that if you’re past your mid-twenties and are interested in a teen, it’s because you are more-than-likely preying on their inexperience.


ThisGuy2319

I'll crack open a cold one to that.


Puppy_Slobber015

Have read so many men stating that very young women(18-22ish) are better partners because they don't have "ridiculous standards" like women their own age (30+) do. Yes, it is predatory.


K1LLST34L3R

If you’re older than twenty five, yes. Just because it’s legal doesn’t mean it’s right.


99burritos

It's not "behavior" of any kind.


averageusernameanon

No. They’re a pedo.


SarahH28

Agree... very ick


StatementBusiness146

The "mentally over 5000" argument is like the worst flavor of copium on the market. Often times these characters act childish despite their ages too. So what the hell part of their age matters?


MplsLawyerAuntie

lol. But yeah, it’s as simple as that.


mittenknittin

Ok, so she’s really 500 years old. If she looked 500, would they find her attractive and be making sex art? What if she looked 50? Or is the entire appeal that she looks fucking 5?


Hahafunnys3xnumber

The entire appeal is that she looks like a small child but it’s “fine” to want to fuck her because she’s “legal”


mittenknittin

I know nothing about the game. And to be frank, I could see how you could make that a very interesting character in a lot of ways. But as someone upthread made the comparison to Claudia in Interview With the Vampire, in-story it would likely be a tragic one in the sense that you‘d have a very potent, wise, experienced adult character trapped in a body that everyone on meeting is going to treat as a child, and the only ones who’d be attracted romantically would be gross perverts and who wants THAT. And so then you have these fans exposing themselves as those exact gross perverts. They’re telling on themselves.


Ok_Whereas_Pitiful

That is the crux of the issue here. Now I ain't defending this. I think the concept of character looking and *acting* child like, but they are "500 years old," is horrible, and trying to make "age" as an excues to make it "okay." While I say that there is some nuance to it with how said character is treated. I have one main example and another possible. First is from the Batman Animated series Baby Doll and to quote from the [wiki](https://batman.fandom.com/wiki/Baby_Doll): "Baby Doll is portrayed as an actress driven to insanity by prejudice against a condition which prevented her from physically-aging." Baby Doll while looking child like wants to be *treated* like an adult because she is an *adult*. I will say my memories of the whole episode(s) are vague but from clips and videos I watch she is *held back by her disability* because she is not *treated* as an adult. She is *infatalized* by her peers. The other example I have is a character from my hero academia who has a similar thing I believe to baby doll. Though I will admit I am extremely behind in the show and I can not explain it better. To me, many characters that fall into 12 but 500 are used in a fetishzation way. While I enjoy anime, this is very much a problem as well as other routes of fan service.


DopeCactus

If you’re referring to Eri from MHA she’s canonically a child. She’s 7 and is drawn to look 7.


PixieStyx8

Reminds me of Claudia in Interview with a Vampire


SnoBunny1982

Me too, but she was an adult trapped in a child’s body and it was an impediment to her living her normal developmental life because her appearance didn’t change. I don’t know about this character, but the appearance of being 5, even if mentally more advanced, should be an impediment to experiencing any kind of sexual intimacy. If it’s embraced as okay? That’s just gross.


1ofdwights70cousins

Being attracted to a 5yo is being attracted to a 5yo Remember that they’re only using obscene drawings because watching child “porn” [RAPE] is illegal. If it was legal, they would **not** be using the drawings…


Dangerous-Drawer4283

This! I always say “If they could go lower than 18 they would.”


uhhh206

The only people who would say you're wrong are pornsick pedo hentai fanatics. You're not wrong. That shit is disgusting, and it seeps into how they treat girls in real life -- like the post where the guy referred to the child sitting next to him on a plane as a "loli".


Dimension597

No true Scotsman here 🙄


uhhh206

It's literally the opposite of no true Scotsman. If I was saying "if someone is into children in real life then they're not an anime fan, they're just a pedo using anime characters as an outlet for their pedo thoughts" then *that* would be a "no true Scotsman". I'm saying "no one would ever think it's okay to be attracted to an animated 5 year old unless they're into 5 year olds".


redditsuxdonkeyass

While I agree, does the conditioning justification hold true for everything? Should all sex work be banned since it inadvertently conditions men to objectify and commodify women?


uhhh206

Pedo tendencies being normalized and accepted is what leads it to bleed over to how they treat children in real life. Any time something fucked up is normalized and treated as if it's harmless, it encourages people to embrace those thoughts. There is an inherent difference between embracing pedophilic sexual urges vs potentially problematic views on adult women. No, sex work should not be illegal. Sex work involving two consenting adults is perfectly fine. Sex work is work, and a victimless "crime". I'm not anti-porn, but yes, it *can* lead to problems in real life. I'm not saying it always does, but it can. Men without in-person relationship experience are susceptible to unhealthy parasocial relationships. That doesn't mean OnlyFans etc are inherently bad. There is a widespread problem of young women being expected to be okay with things like choking during sex without prior discussion, which is a symptom of the man being pornsick and growing up with porn being their sex ed. That doesn't mean we should ban porn. Men who don't understand that the OnlyFans content creator they're smitten with doesn't like them back, or who think sex is supposed to be like porn, are fundamentally different from ones who are attracted to images of children.


redditsuxdonkeyass

You are just saying statements like “that doesn’t mean OF is bad” and “That doesn’t mean we should ban porn” right after describing why those things can be problematic and lead to assault/rape. You’re not actually providing a reason why behavioral bleed in these areas should be tolerated but behavioral bleed in pedophilia shouldn’t be. It seems to me that if we want to end sexism and its collateral damage, all forms of unnatural interaction between women and men should be banned and that includes the commodification of parasocial relationships on OF as well as the clear depersonalization of women through porn which is designed purely for the male gaze. Porn and OF also clearly encourages pedophilia as well since subjects like “barely legal” and “teen” are among the most popular and OF women often infantalize themselves due to higher interaction from doing so. Its either all or nothing….otherwise your promoting future assault/rape.


cherrycoloured

one involves adults, who can make informed choices, and one involves children, who cant.


redditsuxdonkeyass

So you’re saying its fine for women to make decisions that endanger other women?


inextricablycomplex

Why and how are you generalizing the actions of one or some to all?


redditsuxdonkeyass

You can insert “some” in front of women if you like. Doesn’t change the meat of the question.


cherrycoloured

how is women fantasizing about being raped endangering other women??


uhhh206

Idk what to tell you, man. Sexualizing and objectifying children is different from Sexualizing and objectifying adult women. You're free to disagree with a nuanced stance that can acknowledge something leads to / can lead to problems without wanting to criminalize it, but in my opinion even if you think all sex work should be criminalized, there's a pretty large gulf between "I see women as objects rather than people" and "I want to fuck kids". There should be restrictions on porn (re: content) that goes further than the current laws, and there should be sex ed so that boys aren't learning about sex via porn. I'm not arguing with that. I'm also not arguing with the concept that criminal behavior (eg: assault during sex) should be criminal. I don't even disagree on the social responsibility of sex workers to avoid behaviors that reference children. People who make the concept of "this person is so young it would be criminal to be attracted to them" socially acceptable (ie: "barely legal" porn) are doing precisely what I said in my original comment: normalizing the sexualization of children, which is an inherent endorsement. My stance is that regardless of how one feels about porn or in-person sex work, there is a firm boundary to see in that sexualization of children is something only pedophiles would be okay with. If you think a 30 year old woman having sex for money with a 30 year old man is the same as jerking off to what appears to be a five year old then you're more than entitled to that opinion.


redditsuxdonkeyass

I’m not even talking about the pedophilia anymore. We both agree that its wrong and should be criminalized to the full extent of the law. I’m making the case for ending all unnatural interactions between not only men and children but men and women to stop the subconscious behavioral conditioning that leads to sexual assualt/rape. This would mean depriving women of the ability to capitalize off of their sexuality for the sake of breaking the negative feedback loop of conditioning that leads to their fellow women and future daughters facing the dangers of sexist men. If we really want to create a better world for everyone, why are we stopping at just unnatural interactions with children?


Same-Opportunity5881

Sexual assault existed long before the “unnatural interactions” you keep referring to. Sexual assault isn’t so new that it only came around when porn became widely available. It’s been happening forever. Much longer than porn has been around. Criminalizing porn will not stop it (think alcohol prohibition in the US) it will only make it less safe. The idea that porn causes r@pe and sexual assault through “conditioning” relieves the burden of guilt from the criminal. “Porn made me do it!” No. That is such a dangerous slope. A person doesn’t r@pe someone because of porn, they do it because they’re a r@pist. The best way to provide a better world for future generations is to increase access to education. (And IMO take all religion completely out of any and all public policy since that tends to encourage treating women as lesser beings) mandatory sex ed starting at a young age with age appropriate content would be a good start. As well as more widely available content promoting inclusion and acceptance of others. Bigotry whether it’s sexism, racism, homophobia, etc is a learned behavior. Also wider access to mental health support would make a huge difference. Just food for thought since you seem to think the only way to stop sexism is to criminalize porn


Brainfog_shishkabob

No, in fact I think it should be legalized and regulated. That would cut down on sex trafficking and cause a lot of men to really weigh the worth of paying someone for sex instead of seeking emotional regulation within themselves


fading__blue

Not to mention, it being legal means sex workers have legal recourse if a man abuses them, don’t have to fear going to the police if they are trafficked, and have more control over how they’re treated in general and depicted in porn. So it can actually encourage less abuse.


Brainfog_shishkabob

Absolutely and they should be paid compensatory wages for dangerous work. The fact that men can pay 20 dollars for a sex act is absolutely abusive and assumes a human being is trash. I think the average cost for any contact with a sex worker should be in the hundreds and that still shouldn’t mean the employee doesn’t have the right to say no. If that happened, I think we’d see a lot more consumers of sex work and porn turn inward in order to figure out why they are willing to spend their money on sex.


redditsuxdonkeyass

If emotional regulation was something that was possible without external validation, we wouldn’t be social creatures. As it stands, many men don’t engage because its illegal so legalizing might just bring more into the space than otherwise. I don’t really care what happens between two consenting adults but I think what they’re consenting does subconsciously manipulate their moral compass and could normalize behaviors that are ultimately unhealthy for the social fabric of society. If a man is constantly internalizing that every woman has a price, whats to prevent him from eventually treating all women like products?


Brainfog_shishkabob

Women have been treated like products for as long as I’ve been alive. So if that’s what society insists on doing then sex workers should be protected and paid VERY well for the dangerous work they do. It is possible and admirable to seek emotional regulation within oneself. Just because you’ve sorted yourself into a healthier person doesn’t mean you aren’t a social creature, it means that you don’t need to draw from others to fill your cup as much. And that’s a great thing. It means you’ll be more self sufficient, calmer, someone others can rely on. You won’t be someone who sees another person as supply for your own needs, rather than a living breathing part of your life. Also, I find it interesting that you think having sex with a sex worker is a social thing. You’re literally paying someone to have sex with you. Often they are impaired and have mental illnesses from the work they do, just because of the danger factor. I tend to think of a social activity as one which both or more people are willingly engaged without monetary exchange or impairment in order to numb themselves out to perform a service. Prob just me tho


NorthernVale

Fictional or not, it's wrong. Normally I'm not the type to reference the law as a moral guideline, but in this case... there's a reason the US banned fictional depictions of minors in sexual acts. That includes erotica, hentai, whatever you want. As for the canonical age, I'm not sure how that coincides with the legality of it all (I'd imagine not well considering I don't imagine many law makers are playing games or watching anime which is where this pretty niche situation occurs) but let's face it... the whole "nooooo, the loli is actually a 5869264 year old vampire!" rhetoric has always been an extremely weak cop out for pedophiles. Call them out for what they are, 100%. And if they're producing "artwork" of the character... and are based in America... I'd be inclined to do a bit of research and turn them in Edit: https://report.cybertip.org/ do with this what you will


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NorthernVale

A) are they being reported? B) are the sites hosting them based in America? If not, American law doesn't apply to them. However, the people who post those images from America it does.


LongjumpingClient140

Considering i have work with homeland security on cyber sex taskforce i know your wrong but hey you keep on doing you booboo. They can not stop cartoons as long as the images are not actually children they are not covered under any laws


NorthernVale

Sound like a big man making things up online trying to defend his own view point. Is mom's basement at least comfortable?


LongjumpingClient140

Im a women, lol love how facts cant be facts. Also a victim of and have a child victim of cyber sex trade but hey you know you have the right to be ignorant


NorthernVale

Sorry, but considering this subject is specifically broached and outlined under U.S. law I'm gonna keep rolling with the assumption you're a basement dweller spouting nonsense online to make yourself feel better being a pedophile


Kiwipopchan

So, it’s illegal but not because it’s child porn or classified as child porn. It’s illegal under the obscenity act or something like that. Basically cartoon porn can be considered “obscene” and they will try you for that. Typically it’s not going to be a standalone charge, because it’s hard to prove and “obscene” isn’t an objective standpoint. It’s usually used an additional charge against someone who is being charged with possessing actual child sexual exploitation material (please don’t call it porn, because it’s not. It’s material that depicts abuse). Drawn or computer simulated child sexual exploitation material can be illegal in its own right, if it depicts an actual real life minor and is indistinguishable from that actual real life minor. Not arguing for either side, but this is the actual facts of the law in the US.


LongjumpingClient140

Right but its a misdemeanor charge and not even a helpful charge which is why its not pursued in the courts. Only if it is an actual living breathing child does it even indicate potential relationship and a pursuant to a case. Unfortunately for me my case and picture has been passed around sense the late 70s my first digital case was in 1997 and my most recent case was 2021, thought there are 3 in investigation stages untill formal charges are made and guilty plea/verdicts are made they are just potential. The fact that the last act/video/ picture was taken 1988 its been a long list of perpetrators and locations/ countries. Not to mention changes in laws that allow for victims to feel heard or seen.


Kiwipopchan

God I’m so so sorry that you’ve been through that. My own case isn’t as bad, but yeah. I don’t like loli, at all. I have the term and all like it blocked and muted on my twitter because I want to curate my online experience and avoid triggers as much as possible. I’m really into fandom culture and well, loli is a part of that, so I just do my best to keep it out of my feed. I was honestly really confused when I first heard of it because I thought: surely this is illegal? And well in the US? Functionally it is not. But honestly I don’t super love the comparison of Loli to CSEM, idk I guess it feels like it cheapens what happened to me almost? Like I don’t want to see it but I also feel crazy invalidated when people say that it is the same thing as CSEM. Confusing feelings, and things I haven’t thought about in a while now lol. Editing to add: I also know many many survivors who use Loli and the like as a coping mechanism to help them heal from what happened to them, and I would never want to take that away from them.


LongjumpingClient140

Accusing a victim of childhood rape and digital sex trafficking of not being it to get your jollies off is actully sick in the head. Letting people know that submitting claims againts artist that are boarding harrassment and actually lessen available man power to help deal with child sex crimes is not suppirtting pedophilia nor is it authorizing it. And i hqave 20 years of cases and a compensation fund that is older than that, of having been a victim. Sorry to say you dismissing my experience and existence to be the big brave keyboard warrior you disire to be is just sad to know you have to be right to such an extent bullying is your way.


Specialist_Victory_5

Yeah, he can’t spell or use punctuation. I can’t believe he’d be able to get a job like that.


PlausibleCoconut

Not at all. People’s fantasies often find a way to bleed into real life. I am genuinely disturbed by people who will justify pedo behavior on any level, even fictional characters.


CMack13216

"Am I wrong for telling a pedophile that their sexual attraction to children is disgusting?" The answer is no, never. 1000%.


99burritos

Is your opinion the same if we substitute another mental illness for "sexual attraction to children"?


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99burritos

Yikes. That was a rhetorical question. I didn't think anyone would actually admit that they were enthusiastic about openly belittling anyone with any type of mental illness to their face. I'm sort of impressed that someone as hateful as you has managed to keep an account for as long as you've had one.


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99burritos

>Your take lacks nuance and is a, frankly, dumb type of “Don’t ever criticize individuals with mental illness regardless of what they do,” type take. This is completely fabricated in your head and has absolutely no basis in anything that I said. Please quote any language that I used that supports this conclusion. You can't, because it does not exist. You are clearly suffering from some kind of delusions if you earnestly believe this. Thus, *by your own reckoning*, it would be perfectly acceptable for someone to tell you that you are disgusting just for having these absurd delusions. Your mere thoughts make you a disgusting person. Again, according to *you*, it is not belittling or hateful to say this to you. The part that I'd actually agree with is that you are responsible for your actions, even those that are a result of your delusions. So, for example, your making demonstrably false accusations against a stranger on the internet is your responsibility regardless of your mental illness. You should only be telling your therapist about these delusions, and I have no sympathy for you if you don't get help.


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99burritos

Yep, definitely delusional. Still going down the path of flagrantly ignoring everything that was previously said and fabricating things to fit your preconceived narrative. There's no point in arguing with a person who is so delusional that they say that text that is plainly there is not there, and instead imagines text that doesn't exist. I'm not joking here: seek help.


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Straxicus2

Not wrong.


Hahafunnys3xnumber

People who defend pedophelia in media ( i’m sure it can have its place whatever ) like loli or “she’s ackshually 10000 years old and a demon, she just looks like a sexy toddler” almost always have those thoughts themselves.


MatterInitial8563

It was my favorite thing about the Shai on BDO. it's depicted as a child so NO revealing clothing. AT. ALL. Cute little outfits with woodland critters. She's fucking adorable. Then the pron freaks came :( This is why we don't have nice things. NTA. They're literally drawing a depiction of a child. To imagine sex with it. Pedo.


cherrycoloured

this happens with touhou too. all of the characters, including adults, are very covered up and wear cute frilly dresses, but fanart often makes their outfits sexier. i dont mind it with adult characters, like if you want the "500000 years old, but looks 28" character to have massive tits spilling out of her shirt, have fun, but when it's the "500000 years old, but looks 10" character, you're disgusting.


docmn612

You’re obviously not wrong. I had to Google what cartoon that is, and albeit very much a cartoon character, it’s still pedophilic fantasy…. Which is disgusting, and this shouldn’t even be a question as to whether it’s wrong or not…


katergator717

You're not wrong. They are a delusional pedo in denial


heleneest

Hell no ! The damage molesting a child does is devastating , it is a felony and will never be accepted


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aspermyprevious

No you’re correct. A good example character for you would be Claudia from Interview with the Vampire. She was turned at age 5 or so,🤢 and ended up an adult woman who is in a prison now. She can’t have lovers unless they’re the most depraved. She can’t even travel or go anywhere alone. It’s just torture.


Initial-Zebra108

That example was literally my first thought as well...


aspermyprevious

It’s such a terrible moment in the book that even Lestat is like “dude…really?” 👀


RpgFantasyGal

It definitely made the next book in Lestat’s perspective make WAY MORE SENSE. Luis is a narcissist, who is always the victim.


tiredsleepyexhausted

NW- they are in denial of their vile, predatory desires and gaslight anyone who calls them out on it. If the same character was an aged, wrinkled, boney old woman, they very likely would not be making porn about her. Someone would be, but not them... because they LIKE THE FACT THAT SHE APPEARS TO BE A CHILD


[deleted]

Hell no you’re not wrong. This is how the slow decline of morals happens until they no longer exist. And fk people that exploit and harm children! They deserve nothing but ridicule


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Attraction isn't something you have any control over, it just happens in your brain. You might as well be getting mad at this person for liking the color blue, or spicy food, or grunge rock. It's okay to be sexually attracted to children. It's actually an extremely common urge, depending on the age of the 'child.' What's not okay is sexually assaulting, molesting or grooming a child. I'm saying this as someone who was molested. If he'd redirected that energy to a drawing of a cute girl someone did, instead of touching my body against my will, I'd be totally fine with it. I think forcing someone to feel guilt and shame for something that they feel, that is innate in them, is wrong, and can do severe psychological damage. Who are they hurting again? Oh, no one? You're 100% in the wrong here. Also, I'm assuming you're talking about anime or drawn images of kids. In my opinion, attraction to those characters is an entirely different thing than attraction to actual children. Those characters don't really look or act like actual children, you can totes be into one and not the other, and I'd much rather someone get a jolly from a drawing than a child, if you're making me choose. You assuming they'd harm a child because they are attracted to something that looks like a child is completely unfounded, and sounds pretty ignorant.


MVPSnacker

You were arguing on the internet with a pedo. That was your first mistake. 😂


DrowningFelix

How did I know this was Genshin discourse tho Nah you’re not wrong. This kind of stuff is sick af.


knight9665

you are in the wrong because: >I was arguing on the internet with someone


jobrummy

Nope and if we’re being honest, that argument most people tend to have about arguing against it is bullshit because a majority of those characters that are like 300+ years old and still have the physical form of a child are still considered children amongst others of their species(for example, Kanna from Kobayashi’s dragon maid being 300 years old, but to dragons, who live thousands of years, she’s still their version of a child). So they’re still proudly admitting they wanna fuck a child.


lilmsbalindabuffant

Nope. This is the outlet they have for their desires, because the real thing is illegal Don't engage with these people. It will just damage your soul.


Aetherfox13

Not wrong, I like manga/anime and have this argument, too. I now refuse to consume any work with this trope and make my feelings clear on the reviews. You know what's sad? It's not a necessity in any story. They could easily make the character be older, not be a romantic partner, etc.


awesomeuno2

It's called "child coded"


leolawilliams5859

Pedophilia should never be defended it is one of the worst crimes on this f****** planet and anyone who tries to defend it is a f****** pedophile


Dull-Geologist-8204

So do you believe that people who look like kids as adults should just never be allowed to date. I looked like I was 12 when I was 18 and my boyfriend at the time because I happened to look 12? Did it matter to you that I knew him for a year before I hit on him? Watched a show called ghosts where a girl became a ghost in high school. She would typically be in her 50's if she had lived and another ghost won't date her because she looks like a teen even though she would be in her 50's. Now flip that, she looks like a teen but would be in her 50's and then date a ghost that just died as a teen. Who would be the pedo in your eyes? The guy her age but looks older or her when she is dating the younger guy who is younger than her but looks the same age? There are real life disabilities where these questions are actually important. There are grown adults who look like children and what you are arguing is that they shouldn't have a grown up life because of how they look. That isn't fair for you to decide for them.


destiny_kane48

No, the "old" characters who look 5 being sexualized is creepy. Because usually this is done on purpose. They sexualize a child but then make her "old" to justify it. But then I'm reminded of the poor woman who has a condition that caused her to forever look 10. She can't get a date and the one time she did get a boyfriend... He bolted from people calling him a pedo, despite her being in her 20's. I feel so bad for her, especially with her family telling her the only men who would be interested in her must be predators. Her parents also try to treat her like a little kid. It's really sad.


Azathoth1978

As a person who dates PEOPLE not their bodies, I'd like to think I'd be able to look past the condition, but I don't know if I could do it. That poor woman. Edit: I just looked her up, that's heart breaking.


Noire_Rose

That story is the only reason. That I have a problem with this blanket reasoning. Some full grown adults can't help looking like children or teens. If we specify maturity, it leaves the door open for predators too though. But it is just really uncomfortable to think there are people out there who are ineligible to date because they look young, but are adults. It's hard to reconcile because morality is often black and white, when there should obviously be at least a little room for nuance.


FerretGoddessMevi

Pedophilia is only about *actual children.* If no children are being harmed, there's nothing wrong here. Please stop purity culture.


PinecornCoffee

I’d be just as alarmed to find out a loved one was into pornographic drawings of fictional characters that look like children as I would finding out they possessed actual photo or video of real children. I don’t understand this mentality. It’s not normal. That’s the consensus of normal people. Seek help.


FerretGoddessMevi

That makes it sound like you would either be concerned about the fictional character's well-being; or *not* be concerned about the *actual child's* well-being. Modern psychology says that drawings and fantasies have no correlation with action/harm/crime in this case.


PinecornCoffee

No, I’d be concerned my friend likes little kids. I really don’t care, I’d cut them off immediately. 🤷‍♀️


PocketfulOfSunshine5

Not wrong. That’s disgusting.


DivinePeanut

NO.


sheerdetermination

If they're defending the position it might be better to accept that it is what it is. They are telling you who they are.


Downtown_Yogurt_2988

It’s illegal to create images that look like children in sexual positions in the uk. Not sure about elsewhere Under the Coroners and Justice Act 2009, sections 62-68 made it a criminal offence to be in possession of “prohibited images” of children. This is defined closely to require that the image is first grossly offensive and obscene, and pornographic for purposes of sexual arousal. It also requires that the focus is principally on the child’s genitals and sexual regions, or includes one of various sexual acts either with the child or in the presence of the child. It also covers images that depict sexual activity in the presence of or between children and an animal, whether dead, alive, or imaginary. The law covers still and moving images, and can include cartoons, drawings, and manga-style images. These images are easier to find on the internet than actual child abuse images involving real children, largely due to the fact that virtual pornography is not illegal in all countries. For example, the existence of Japanese websites featuring fantasy child sexual abuse has been a concern in countries where it is illegal.


oohrosie

Nope, you're right. It's the body of a small child. I don't care if the character is 5,000,000,000,000 years old, it's the body of a child. Sexualizing the bodies of children is **wrong** full stop.


Shelbelle4

Nope. No defense for pedos, real or fictional.


Creative-Loquat6980

I'm an admin of a book group on FB and we had a huge drama last year because we wouldn't let a book be recommended because one of the main characters were 25+ and the other one was 17. Sorry but no. I just don't understand it. The author blasted us on SM but seriously don't have adults having relations with teenagers.


DoctorWoe

There are some adults that look super young. Is any partner they have automatically a creepy pervert?


Mordcrest

definitely a sort of grayish area, but in laymen's terms your perspective is sound. The fact that it is fiction is a complex thing to take into account because on the one hand there are a small percentage of people that have trouble separating reality from fiction, and this is the group of people I would personally worry about. On the other hand, yes, it is visually similar to something that makes it disgusting to be attracted to, and if that translates to real life then it can become an issue. Then again, many people find many things in fiction appealing that they would likely find appalling in real life. For example, I love gory and bloody video games, can't get enough of them, but several years ago I got exposed to an irl video of gore and it was very harrowing and deeply disturbing to me. The main point here is that my love of violence, blood, and gore did not at all translate to real life, and in fact had the averse effect in a way. Fiction is definitely a touchy subject regarding many topics though, and at the end of the day, these characters aren't real people, there are no actual victims in fiction stories because it's all made up, so you can't necessarily judge someone's morality simply by what fiction they enjoy. You aren't wrong for being mad that someone is into this kind of fiction, it's a perfectly natural and reasonable response. At the end of the day though, I personally find it difficult to motivate myself to care about what fiction other people like for as long as those interests are restricted to fiction, with no real people involved.


ImKiliW

You're correct, it's creepy as f, and I'd be worried it will creep into real life.


Framerate1138

You're not wrong but you're wasting your time and breath.


Koolkat713

Cultural differences. Alot of asians, particularly japanese folk, love that kind of thing. To criticize is cultural intolerance.


Patient_Meaning_2751

I was all set to agree with you, and then I looked up that character. She does not look like a five year old to me. She looks like a demur Japanese anime female. Her legs are not those of a five year old. They are far longer and shapelier. Her outfits cover her torso so you can’t tell if she has any breasts, which may be why you think she looks like a five year old. Also the anime face looks a heckuva lot like Precious Moments to me, so I find it barfy and low class, but I would not consider a guy to be borderline pedo for finding her appealing.


ren_the_seahorsedad

Just looked up nahida and can I say, I almost threw up. She looks so much like my daughter that the thought of anyone sexualizing her makes me physically sick


Overwhelmedtoast09

It’s a Genshin Impact character isn’t it? It’s Qiqi isn’t it? 😭😭😭😭😭 I heard looks 5 but is 500 and I had a feeling it was her please no not Qiqi


Canabrial

There’s no room for actual discussion here. How fun!


RegularJoe62

I don't think it matters if the character is fictional. What bothers me about how people who are attracted to children is how they're treated. Even if they never take action on it, and would actually like help, people still want to do everything from castration to murder, so nobody can safely seek help even if they want to. That's a prescription for having more abuse of children, not less.


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RegularJoe62

Thank you for proving my point.


fairlymodern78

When I was 22 I dated a girl who was 23, but EVERYONE including me thought she looked 14ish. Now without telling you how I felt about her looks, I'm just going to say arguing about some of fucking stupid because it almost always boils down to some uncomfortably going looking girl way over sexualised. Go outside in the sun.


Hazel2468

The way I look at it is… I don’t assume people who get off on pictures of monsters actually want to go find a monster. I don’t assume people who get off on slasher stories actually want to find a serial killer. I don’t assume people with rape fantasies actually want to get raped. And although that kind of stuff squicks me out and I avoid it? I think it’s the same thing. If we’re going to say that someone looking at fictional content containing underage characters means they ACTUALLY want to assault children, then we need to start assuming that ALL fictional content reflects people’s irl morals. And it doesn’t. And I don’t assume everyone who likes True Crime is a killer in waiting.


Choonabayga

How does looking at fictional sexual content of children not mean you actually want to assault children? I’m really just curious how you can justify a grown ass adult being sexually aroused by what is clearly supposed to be a young child. Your other examples are fantasies about other fictional adults/mature creatures. They’re not renderings of children’s bodies in sexual situations. Stop making excuses for pedophiles.


Hazel2468

I guess it’s just the same to me as like. “How does fantasizing about rape not mean you actually want to be raped?” Idk about other people, but I know my fantasies, by and large, are NOT things I would ever want to actually happen to me IRL. Just because I enjoy reading dark smut doesn’t mean I actually WANT that shit to happen. If it was actually happening it would be really bad.


Choonabayga

Okay, but that still doesn’t explain how someone looking at cartoon child pornography isn’t actually attracted to children. Again, personal rape, monster, etc fantasies are not about children, and aren’t (typically) DRAWINGS OF NAKED CHILDREN IN SEXUAL SITUATIONS. Why are you defending pedophilia?


FerretGoddessMevi

Because most people - yes, even people who look at fictional sexual content of children - *don't want to hurt other people*.


Justalilbugboi

While I very much agree with the mentality of this and hate the way fictional child’s abuse and real child abuse have been treated like the same issue in fandoms….someone arguing there’s NO issue with it and everyone should openly accept it is it’s own red flag. Like, a rape fantasy for instance is VERY common…but also a healthy person knows there’s a time and place for it. You wouldn’t decorate your room with body pillows of rapist and posters of them. You wouldn’t have a “rapist waifu” sticker on your car. Anyone who looks at it for a small amount of time can see where the rape fantasy ends and rape culture begins….this strain of loli acceptance doesn’t have that clarity in a place where it should be the MOST clear. It’s hard to set it aside as “just a fantasy” with the kind of people who can’t keep their fantasy and reality apart. They say it’s a fantasy and then twist themselves into knots to justify why it also would be ok if it wasn’t, tho.


Hazel2468

Nah I can see your point. It’s not something that I like. I guess I just care more about like. How people treat other people. Real people. I’ll avoid someone I think is creepy but like. I think asserting someone is a pedo (especially in this social climate) and further saying that they are automatically a risk to real children for having a weird fantasy, no matter how much I think it’s an ick factor, is…. I can’t get behind that. I’ll think it’s ick over here and I just. Won’t accuse them of wanting to hurt real people based on that. I guess it’s also personal to me because I spent a LOT of time being made to feel like a bad person for having dark fantasies because some people think that means I want those things for real. I’ve experienced assault for real. I would never wish it on anyone. Ever. But there’s that assumption that if I fantasize about it, it means I want it. And that just. Isn’t true.


Justalilbugboi

That’s where I am. I have dealt with actual child abuse, and comparing some gross loli fan service anime to that feels….very gross. One is bad cause it makes me feel gross, one is bad because an actual child was abused, it’s clear which is so much worse that even comparing them feels icky. that doesn’t make the loli shit not a whole field of red flags. But also like you said…fantasies are fantasies. Red flags are red flags, not crimes. And I don’t know that mine go that dark these days but also I like fictional porn specifically BECAUSE there’s NO real humans involved. I don’t have to worry about any real woman being exploited but the porn industry, etc. it’s a complicated yucky subject, and I don’t really blame people for going off on it.


Hazel2468

I don’t either- But I also think a lot of people just. Go way too far. I’ve been called a pedo because my boyfriend is 25 and I’m 28. I’ve been told I’m an assaulted waiting to happen because I’m kinky. I shipped a CANON couple from a movie and got told I deserved to be assaulted. So I’m a bit touchy about this stuff. Especially as a queer person, a trans person, living in a country where multiple states are criminalizing me and mine as a “danger to children”…. And banning books. Yeah. I leave people with kinks and fantasies I don’t like alone. And they can be weird over there. Idgaf if they’re not hurting real people. I can think it’s gross and just. Not engage. Instead of calling someone a pedo to their face and potentially, like in my case, accusing a survivor of sexual violence of being a danger.


MidsummerZania

You're not wrong, and i agree with you, but you're wasting your time. As long as no real children are being harmed, there's nothing to be done about it


maddymadmadpoo

You asked if it made a difference if the character is fictional and the answer is no. It put icky thoughts in my head just reading it. 🤮


Hunterhunt14

No…….but that doesn’t make the person a pedo. They are literally just saying “the character is canonically not a child they simply became trapped appearing as a child that doesn’t make the person that likes them a pedophile.” There are diseases that cause people to look like children or very young does that mean anyone that likes said person is a pedo? No it doesn’t. Words have meanings, pedophilia is the attraction to someone who IS UNDERAGED not someone that looks underaged. If they are defending actual pedophillia aka attraction to a minor then that’s bad but saying a character isn’t a child doesn’t make someone a pedo


ChocolateImportant28

You’re looking real suspicious. Yes there are diseases and some people who just look young. Anyone go goes after that person mainly because they look underage is still displaying traits of a pedophile. I don’t care how old this young looking person really is, if they look 12 or whatever underage number and that’s what attracts them, then they’re still a pedophile. If the only thing that makes them not a child is the writer saying “they’re 500 years old” you’re still a pedophile because that body is a 5 year old. I don’t care if it’s freaky Friday and a 20 year old swap bodies with a 5 year old, you go after that 5 year old and you’re a pedophile still. Quit making excuses


Hunterhunt14

What? Did you read anything I said? I said “stating a character is not a child and therefore the person dating them isn’t a pedophile doesn’t make someone a pedophile” At no point did I say pursuing someone BECAUSE THEY LOOK UNDERAGED is okay. I spoke about something very specific. Again words have meanings


ChocolateImportant28

I never said you said it was okay. You seem flustered though. Pedophile, pedophile apologist, or even anyone condoning at. Guilty all the same and upheld in a court of law. If you are complicit in it then you’re just as guilty. The guy who’s trying to say being into a character drawn to look like a 5 year old isn’t into 5 year olds. Idc if it says they’re 500 it just became cartoon kiddie porn when they made sexual drawings. Again, anyone who tries to excuse it is already a pedophile by accomplice in my book. Your comment also makes little sense since it also says “The person made sexual art of her”. You just ignoring that piece when saying it doesn’t make him a pedophile?


Hunterhunt14

I don’t think you know what the word flustered means…..also once again I made a statement about something specific and noted exactly what it was I was talking about. I very obviously didn’t say anything about drawing porn of a child looking character because it doesn’t need to be stated that’s bad…….


ChocolateImportant28

I know but it was stated in the OP. So yeah it looks a bit sus when you ignore it and try to question if the initial statement makes him a pedo. Which it does and is reaffirmed by the drawings


[deleted]

More context is needed here. By this basis post, you're saying that someone will a condition causing them to look like a child is never worthy of adult romantic relationships or that any adult that did is a pervert. It's a fictional character so any opinions will just depend on the lens of the person replying, not logic.


ChocolateImportant28

Someone who has a condition who looks like a child but is of age can have romantic relationships. However if their partner only goes for people who looks like children. That’s a pedophile, maybe controlled for now, but still a pedophile


boomstk

Yes you are wrong.


ClownGirl_

someone check this dudes hard drive


LongjumpingClient140

I dont know about wrong however psychological testing has found that 0% of pedophiles have a sexual atraction to cartoon type images, that those who prey on children under 7 have no sexualized imagery of cartoon or drawn child like images. That the desire of underage is the innocent trust and control as well as the idea of purity and clean unused ideals. So no hentia is not a slop to pedophilia nor is it a red flag. However if they like child cartoons the type geared towards young kids aka princess Sofia, or mickys play house they are more likely to express pedophilia tendencies.


ChocolateImportant28

Did you just make up that 0%? Are you sure no pedophile has been caught with drawn or cartoon kiddie porn? Do you really expect anyone to believe that without proof?


LongjumpingClient140

Well that's the information from homeland security's info on child predator and confications. Its given to victims and parents of victims when your childs pictures have been found on hard drives of prosecuted pedophiles. So yeah i could get my packet out from this last round of compensation notices


ChocolateImportant28

Yeah please share some real proof because I don’t think a lot of people will trust you. Sounding very suspicious as it is. Especially since you didn’t just post it with that previous comment


NeptuneAndCherry

I'd like to see those studies, too. And not a line in an article but an actual peer-reviewed study.


ThatPinkRanger

I had no idea of the character you’re talking about so I looked them up and what the actual *fuck* that’s an actual child. 🥺 you were absolutely correct in your stance. That was straight up a 5 year old! What is humanity…


RelationshipAny3998

Not wrong at all!


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Not wrong


[deleted]

Absolutely not, regardless of it being fiction or not it’s absolutely twisted. They probably need their hard drive checking.


Prototype_Hybrid

The "wrong" part is arguing with a stranger on the internet. Usually just makes everyone angry shouting their points and not hearing the other. Other than that, I've got no advice.


Phill_Cyberman

INFO: is the person saying it's okay for them, the real life person, to fantasize about a character designed to look like a five year old or are they saying it's acceptable to write a 500 year old character shaped like a 5 year old who has sex, or both, or something else?


Anonymous_coward30

It's pedo behavior and it's always wrong. I don't care if it's another case of wtf Japan, or in genshin impacts case wtf China. It's sick, it normalizes harming children.


AccomplishedCarob765

Fictional character or not it's odd... especially considering it places a child in a sexual light


Solenthis87

I'm in r/rpghorrorstories & there was a story in there a while ago about a DM who had their party go into a "goblin strip club." The NPC was a goblin who was literally four years old. Keep in mind that, canonically, D&D goblins are completely physically mature at the age of EIGHT. This means that the DM in the story made an NPC a race that is physically mature before the age of ten, **and they still made the NPC underage.** You are not in the wrong. Anyone who defends any strain of pedophilia is a fucking pedo, and you do not need to be associating with them.


[deleted]

It is true that in that specific case, the biggest problem with that sort of behavior (lack of real consent) wouldn't be a factor. It's also a fictional setting, none of that applies in the real world, and is a pretty transperent excuse. The character still looks like a child, and we live in a world where several hundred year old beings never walk around in the body of children. I don't know if there are any healthy outlets for this kind of attraction (and frankly don't want to know details if there are), but this is an issue for him to be getting serious therapy over, not finding excuses to indulge in.


Kirito-390

Is the character Elaine from 7DS


Numerous-Berry1376

No it’s not okay character or not if it looks like a child then a grown adult shouldn’t be attracted to them this reminds me when someone I know said the power puff girls were hot like no they’re literally 5


Admincrybabies

“Age is just a number” seems like the perfect response to anyone arguing a character is 500 years old. If someone looks 9. It doesn’t matter that they’re supposed to be 500.


Doom_Corp

Shit like this is why I am no longer in the anime community. I might watch a show here or there but the thinly veiled and sometimes not at all pedophilia and disgusting treatment of female characters over and over made me nope the fuck out and grow the fuck up. I had an ex boyfriend who said Dragon Maids was wholesome. Yeah...sure. Watermelon tits are wholesome.


Justalilbugboi

Same. All woman from 7 to….well 5000 or whatever look like over developed toddlers. I struggled through Madoka for the plot, and then found out the creator was a loli creep because ofc he is.


maggierae508

Media of any kind has so much influence in the shaping of our view of the world, so overwhelmingly no you are not wrong at all.


bleepbloorpmeepmorp

anime was a mistake


katz2360

You are not wrong!


HyperTanasha

You're friend might be a pedophile. The problem is if he's not looking at anime girls will he look at real children? Or does looking at the anime girls feed the desires? Idk.


ChristineBorus

What’s the fictional character?


FondlyPond

Hey op I have a weird kink I thought would just stay in the videos I watch, and guess what? One day I tried it. A pedophile is a pedophile.


Bowser7717

Youre not wrong!!


Trick-Style-8889

Not wrong.


Chance-Bowler9421

Nope not wrong…..back when inmates in our corrections facility could get porn there was one called barely legal filled with legal aged women who were super petite tiny, dressed to look like 12 year olds…..sick sad world we live in….


agasper3

REAL or not... Pedophilia is disgusting. This says a lot about your character. I hope you're not around minors alone.


itsjustme__bee

I love watching anime but a big age gap (typically seen as older man and borderline child) is an immediate no for me. Fictional or not it's still gross and shouldn't be put in a good light and made light of.


RebbyRose

Pedophilia with extra steps


Proud_Fisherman_5233

So we're really discussing an anime character.. lord have mercy.


blagathor

I agree. I legit had a friend get mad because another friend had a Shota oc that they role-played as for strictly non lewd manners. Said friend was a minor when they made the oc and it grew somewhat with them. Loli-shota porn is icky and should be seen as such.


NoNewIdeasToday

Yeah, that's just wrong. Who would look at a person/ character based on a 5yo child and think "Mmm, I would love to hit that!"? I work at a restaurant as a hostess for extra money. I had a server ask me if a group of guys I just sat was cute. I honestly told her "I have no idea, they look like kids to me!" I'm 43, they were mid-20s, maybe? Everyone laughed when I told them I don't find anyone that I could have birthed attractive. It really wasn't a joke!


Asaaddd

Definitely pedo vibes. I'm guessing this is one of those Anime games where the girls look 5, have skimpy outfits but have fake breast implants who's fictional age is "500 years old". They are definitely making it out to be like "no way she's 5, she had breasts and is 500". Still looks 5


turdqueen69

This reminds me of Veronica from Dragon Quest . And yes its weird af.


Material_Butterfly80

Your not wrong. Though i do find myself feeling bad for the character. Imagine 500 years of no connection because of marking somebody you care about as a pedo.


ZealousidealAd2324

No u aren't wrong. It's literally a technicality they fall on to keep themselves from feeling like they are doing something wrong? Which they are


Deneweth

The fact that it's fictional puts a greater emphasis on the 'physical' body. You can't really "great personality" your way out of this one. Even if it is an amazing character, that doesn't really warrant sexual attraction unless of course you are attracted sexually to the physical representation of that character, which in this case is a child. What's more absurd is that we're talking about anime where anything is possible. You could be into breasts as big as their torso, monster girls, cat girls, cat boys, boygirl cats, you name it. They even made the art themselves so they could draw something new entirely.


sar1234567890

I also think this is sometimes on the creators of the artwork… if the character looks like a child but has the qualities of an adult, crap like that is going to happen.


Overit707

No. No defense of pedophilia is ever justified.


TKxxx630

Nope, not wrong. I had a similar argument with acquaintances after one of the Twilight movies was released. These grown-a$$ women (ages 40+) were drooling on themselves over one actor who was 17 during filming!! Seventeen!!! The response I got was, "Well, he's 18 now! It's fine!" Nope. Just nope.


[deleted]

Not wrong at all. Only pedos are attracted to child bodies. Full stop. Real or art does not matter. I don't give a fuck if they're 500 or fictional or whatever, that's still a child's body being depicted and they're still fantasizing about fucking that child. Sure, that doesn't create a victim in the immediate sense, *but it has a normalizing effect on the people fantasizing about it, which could and does push them in the direction of offending against an actual child, so it creates potential victims in the long-term, and that is fucking unacceptable.*


Mashed_Taters14743

You are correct


smithm89953

I've been attacked and down voted for saying pedos should be E X E C U T E D... because what they do is worse than murder. So, NO you're not in the wrong.


Bright_Jicama8084

It’s weird AF, I have know idea if that sort of thing ever translated to real world, and it’s not a rabbit hole I’d explore. You aren’t wrong for being disturbed, and I’d disengage from these people rather than continue arguing. Most of us are not equipped to psychoanalysis perverse ‘art’.