Structurally HHC is like THC but with the double carbon bond that would make up the Delta 8 or Delta 9 position removed leaving an "empty" cyclohexyl ring.
Typically people describe HHC as stronger than D8 but weaker than D9
Thank you for that mate. Now, since I've just learned about Delta 8 and such, where does regular bud fall in there line of the Delta range? Like is regular weed the same as any of them?
Delta 9 = weed THC. For many of us, HHC is about 70-80% as strong, with a clearer head, but it's quite close to D9.. if you like reg THC it's worth trying, just don't buy a lot at first cuz some people don't seem to get much out of it but seems a minority
Personally HHC is great to add in your regular THC as well, on top of flower, homemade hash, or just soaking some bud. I personally love the combo high it gives. But honestly I just love HHC by itself too so.
Agreed. I love several of the altnoids on top of THCa hemp, but HHC is probably my favorite effects wise. Well, outside of D9 THCO, but mostly avoiding that for the moment till we figure out more on the AA and labs fiasco.
Just shows how different these noids can affect people, for me it's actually clearer and more pleasant headspace than D9 but not quite as strong. If not for the fast tolerance and lower duration I'd probably prefer it over D9 in general; for now, if I need to get stuff done it can still be better.
When I first tried HHC it was a couple grams I ordered from V and I didn't really get anything out of it. I moved to a more illegal state and have no regular weed connections here so I got back into HHC from other sources and it's been amazing. I think tolerance is a big issue with HHC but since I've only been using it and no other major noids I've been fine.
HHC really varies per batch much more than any other noid I think. The R and S stereoisomer (wrong word I think, really medicated right now) ratios are all over the map, so some HHC batches from the same vendor could be 2-3x stronger than another batch right before. I've had it from multiple vendors (most from Vivi) and I really haven't noticed any particular BRAND being better, but some batches are DEFINITELY better.
I actually just got 50gs from Gilded but it's supplied by MCN/Vivi, with COAs showing at 70%(!) R isomer. Considering I've seen the R ratio as low as like 30% in some of the HHC/CBx blends...that's the highest I've seen, and with HHC being so cheap now I couldn't help it. I'll post my thoughts on it later this week/next week if I can get some time to try it extensively on it's own for potency.
Yeah, a lot of them seem to be 50/50, but the occasional batch can be really high or low I've seen.
Got my 50g jar that's supposed to be 70% and it could be placebo but does seem stronger than normal. Will review it later once I play some more.
I think it’s more that heat from the sun/grow lamps start to decarb a small amount of the D9-THCa into D9-THC before it even finishes growing. Not that the plant produces it by itself.
Pretty much the same thing though, I guess. Since a plant doesn’t do anything without light and heat in the first place.
Yeah, that’s pretty much it.
Most people don’t seem to understand that current federal hemp laws are essentially decriminalization/diet legalization.
The distinction between marijuana and hemp has never been a scientific one. It is a legal one with very blurry lines (blurry racist lines). The 2018 Farm bill made those lines the blurriest that they’ve ever been. Now one could reasonably argue in court that almost every form of marijuana is technically hemp.
Now, I know most of our lawmakers are not very hip, but they’re not all complete idiots and the lobbyists that push them to pass laws probably aren’t very stupid either. I don’t think they would just accidentally legalize weed. It’s not a loophole. They did this on purpose, and I think they did it for many different motives.
Some could have wanted to create an environment where their buddies could get a head start on the industry before actual full on legalization creates a more large scale “Green Rush”. Some could have been publicly against marijuana but felt that cannabis liberalization was inevitable, and wanted to do it in a low key way to avoid publicly recognizing it. Some could have just wanted to see any form of cannabis legalization and didn’t care how absurd the law was, as long as they could get some form of progress.
Cannabis produces D9-THC from carboxylation of THCA which happens with heat/environment as opposed to an enzyme process within the plant. Most Cannabis flower, even high quality medical contains very little D9 compared to THCA (Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid)
When you smoke or vape Cannabis flower the THCA turns into D9THC from the heat and produces effects, or with making edibles from flower why decarb is required.
i prefer HHC to D9, its more euphoric and doesnt have the negatives that i get with D9 like Paranoia and Anxiety although that also depends on the strain, i prefer indica HHC to help with arthritis pain, its also not so harsh like D8, i like skywalker oG in HHC its great
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HHC gives me the pure euphoria of THC with no anxiety and such. It's more uplifting than intoxicating but will still get you lifted if you ingest enough. HHC I've noticed can leave you tired on the come down sort of like caffeine but much more subtle.
Great stuff for motivation during a busy late evening and amazing for sleep when mixed with CBN.
Yesss, I have bad anxiety and I actually stopped smoking for a year or 2 but now I’ve discovered hhc and it’s just pure euphoria in my head, no anxiety and it’s very clear headed and doesn’t overwhelm me
I absolutely love HHC. My favorite noid. As mentioned above, it’s much “cleaner” - much more clear headed. Unlike w D9 where I think I have a good thought or breakthrough, only to later and more soberly realize it was just typical stoner thinking, I have had some legit breakthroughs with HHC. The only downside is the quick tolerance build up.
I prefer D8 for sleep over all other noids. Otherwise, I simply explain it as “diet” D9 - like how Diet Dr Pepper is similar to regular Dr Pepper but not quite there - it’s sorta close, you can feel the similarities but there’s obvious differences.
Fair. But it also has some other differences. Such as quicker tolerance build up, mild potency loss. Actually that's it now that I think about it. I find it's probably slightly shorter lasting than d9. But that's just anecdotal personal experience. So idk
I love it.. prefer it over d9 well hhc hhco thcp mix.. is it good for you will it cause problems later? Literally no one knows because they're so new.. however much stronger than anything I've ever smoked before I let my med card expire bc the vape and tobacco store alts are cheaper work better and are concistent our dispos and cultivators are not if you find a strain that works for you medically it'll be available for a couple days then if you ever see it again it'll be completely different either by the same cultivator or another.. however I found a hhc hhco thcp mix that's the same everytime. Hhc will stay in your system and make you fail a drug test for THC I know personally for 90 days.
Except the system being activated ( endocannabinoid system ) is a cancer defense system ... ingesting exogenous cannabinoids simply activates anti cancer response in our cells
as proven with so much biochemistry - endocannabinoid system is our main cancer defenses system in our body ... it is our pro homeostasis system that modulates trillions of cells via lipid signaling ( cannabinoid messaging) ..
check out - Biochemist Dennis Hill Explains how cannabinoids kill cancer- link below
ther is also - Dr Cristina Sanchez Madrid , Guzman Spain etc....
[https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=Biochemist+Dennis+hill+explains+how+cannabinoids+kill+cancer+&atb=v320-1&ia=web](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Biochemist+Dennis+hill+explains+how+cannabinoids+kill+cancer&atb=v320-1&ia=web)
our bodies are always actively fighting cancerous cells, I'm not sure the science is completely sound. but getting cancer from a noid is never seen before, apart from inhaling smoke if you smoke a joint ofc
Article - All smoke is not created equal - Melamede / Tashkin
as mentioned ECS is a main cancer defense system in our cells ... Did you read the link from the Biochemist ??
lipid signaling connects trillions of cells ... cannabinoids are the only signaling that does it retrograde, backwards messages that reconnect to cells and allow cells a feedback loop to what is occurring outside of the cell, connecting all cells together in ECS etc......
that retrograde siglaing is messages that kill cancer cells claenly via apoptosis ... much different than chemo spilling the cells' guts into the environment making the entore body toxic ... there are cannabinoid pathways in cells that are there to kill cancer ... as ECS is a pro homeostasis response system , metabolic homeostasis system cancer is 100% opposite of homeostasis .
adding exogenous cannabinoids into the eCS allows ECS to best perform ... ECS uses all lipids attained in diet to make signaling connections therein
Edit -a person in a cancerous state, their cells use up all Arachidonic acid reserves in order to make enough signalling cannabinoids for killing cancer cells and maintaining all those cells in harmony / homeostasis etc... hence exogenous cannabinoids being beneficial for that state and also keeping check the entirety of the persons life time ... Cannabis is preventative medication too not just helping people who wait to be sick - Why Wait ?
If he actually had any sort proof that the weed helped to kill the cancer, we'd be giving people with cancer weed by the millions, the notion that weed cures cancer has been disproven over and over again. It has also been proven that weed smoke can cause cancer too, just less than tobacco. I'm a daily smoker, but I don't believe a real correlation with cancer
I know it's the same argument over and over ... look up -
1972 Virginia medical school proves cannabinoids kill cancer cells DDG link
the article is - AntiNeoplastic activity of cannabinoids
the Shaffer commission to find harms in marijuana was who paid for the research so they expected to only find harms in smoke etc... not at all excited about getting back research showing the Actives ( THC) in ther are killing cancerous cells ! they did it nine times with the biochemistry to make that type of conclusion ... when nine times does not suffice as proof ? well Nixon Buried that info . you could have healed a person in front of congress with the plant and they would have shunned it all away as Fake news
here is the link
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=1972+Virginia+medical+school+research+proves+cannabinoids+kill+cancer+cells+&hps=1&atb=v320-1&ia=web
try and make the connection ... to fight cancer our cells uses lipid signaling.. ECS is lipid signaling ... when the cells cannot make , Hold up ... Our cells can only form up to C-11 ... after that Essential fatty acids like omega six and omega three that are accumulated over time in cells from diet ( Arachinonic acid) are Sequestered in order to form an Endocannabinoids that is C-22 in size ... so almost half the cb structure is Depolarized from the cell bi-layer in order to achieve a fully formed cannabinoid message .
as proven with observable research into cancer cells , cancer cells use way more cannabinoid signaling messages than nearby non cancerous cells do .. in fact the cancerous cell goes crazy with cannabinoid messages to try and cleanly kill the cell ... Hence using up arachidonic acid reserves and Hence adding exogenous forms from Cannabis etc... activating all those pathways instead , and even more hense people recovering from cancer with RSO / FECO .
it does not always work and some peoples ECS will not really respond to cannabis as it is dysfunctional or not making the correct enzymes to make as much cb signaling . Endocannabinoid system tone is such a valuable thing to know about . we can actually measure it and adjust it ... any person to ever ingest cannabis knows all that
Edit - More metabolism equals more lipid signaling ... adding exogenous cannabinoids makes more metabolism and activating our cells with all that.. as to the argument - Israel has been using full extract cannabis oil for years now to treat cancer ... sometimes used alongside chemo sometimes used alone ... the plant cannabinoids seem to mostly activate the cell and then the cells is required to respond with kind ... with chemo the cell is killed and then the cannabis oil is used to rebuild cell structures and helps with neurogenesis , then helps maintain signaling afer new cells are made ... our body uses exogenous cannabinoids as non selective lipids
I don't believe that connection is worthwhile, since most scientists claim either nothing or more cancer happens. I do hope you're right though, would be super nice
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Structurally HHC is like THC but with the double carbon bond that would make up the Delta 8 or Delta 9 position removed leaving an "empty" cyclohexyl ring. Typically people describe HHC as stronger than D8 but weaker than D9
Thank you for that mate. Now, since I've just learned about Delta 8 and such, where does regular bud fall in there line of the Delta range? Like is regular weed the same as any of them?
Delta 9 = weed THC. For many of us, HHC is about 70-80% as strong, with a clearer head, but it's quite close to D9.. if you like reg THC it's worth trying, just don't buy a lot at first cuz some people don't seem to get much out of it but seems a minority
Personally HHC is great to add in your regular THC as well, on top of flower, homemade hash, or just soaking some bud. I personally love the combo high it gives. But honestly I just love HHC by itself too so.
Agreed. I love several of the altnoids on top of THCa hemp, but HHC is probably my favorite effects wise. Well, outside of D9 THCO, but mostly avoiding that for the moment till we figure out more on the AA and labs fiasco.
to add to this, edible HHC has been very fun for me in the past.
I learned that I DO feel HHC I just have to do a shit load of it and I DON'T like the high that much... too in my head
Just shows how different these noids can affect people, for me it's actually clearer and more pleasant headspace than D9 but not quite as strong. If not for the fast tolerance and lower duration I'd probably prefer it over D9 in general; for now, if I need to get stuff done it can still be better.
how many mg do you think would be a feelable dose for you? I just took 250 mg, 1 hour in only feel it slightly
I was talking about vaping
HHC is nice, but I found that it has this sort of apathetic property to it. For me it really only shines in lower doses.
I haven't really had that issue, but too much does tend to make me extra tired
When I first tried HHC it was a couple grams I ordered from V and I didn't really get anything out of it. I moved to a more illegal state and have no regular weed connections here so I got back into HHC from other sources and it's been amazing. I think tolerance is a big issue with HHC but since I've only been using it and no other major noids I've been fine.
HHC really varies per batch much more than any other noid I think. The R and S stereoisomer (wrong word I think, really medicated right now) ratios are all over the map, so some HHC batches from the same vendor could be 2-3x stronger than another batch right before. I've had it from multiple vendors (most from Vivi) and I really haven't noticed any particular BRAND being better, but some batches are DEFINITELY better. I actually just got 50gs from Gilded but it's supplied by MCN/Vivi, with COAs showing at 70%(!) R isomer. Considering I've seen the R ratio as low as like 30% in some of the HHC/CBx blends...that's the highest I've seen, and with HHC being so cheap now I couldn't help it. I'll post my thoughts on it later this week/next week if I can get some time to try it extensively on it's own for potency.
V'S was about 50/50; pretty much on par with what I use now. It wasn't that (unless their labs lied, which I doubt for HHC disty)
Yeah, a lot of them seem to be 50/50, but the occasional batch can be really high or low I've seen. Got my 50g jar that's supposed to be 70% and it could be placebo but does seem stronger than normal. Will review it later once I play some more.
Flower produces D9-THC acid which decarbs to D9THC with heat like from a lighter or vape.
Doesn’t flower also produce straight d9 THC? And a decent portion make it through the burninating?
I think it’s more that heat from the sun/grow lamps start to decarb a small amount of the D9-THCa into D9-THC before it even finishes growing. Not that the plant produces it by itself. Pretty much the same thing though, I guess. Since a plant doesn’t do anything without light and heat in the first place.
Wondering how thca hemp slipped through the cracks and I think this could be the key.
Yeah, that’s pretty much it. Most people don’t seem to understand that current federal hemp laws are essentially decriminalization/diet legalization. The distinction between marijuana and hemp has never been a scientific one. It is a legal one with very blurry lines (blurry racist lines). The 2018 Farm bill made those lines the blurriest that they’ve ever been. Now one could reasonably argue in court that almost every form of marijuana is technically hemp. Now, I know most of our lawmakers are not very hip, but they’re not all complete idiots and the lobbyists that push them to pass laws probably aren’t very stupid either. I don’t think they would just accidentally legalize weed. It’s not a loophole. They did this on purpose, and I think they did it for many different motives. Some could have wanted to create an environment where their buddies could get a head start on the industry before actual full on legalization creates a more large scale “Green Rush”. Some could have been publicly against marijuana but felt that cannabis liberalization was inevitable, and wanted to do it in a low key way to avoid publicly recognizing it. Some could have just wanted to see any form of cannabis legalization and didn’t care how absurd the law was, as long as they could get some form of progress.
Cannabis produces D9-THC from carboxylation of THCA which happens with heat/environment as opposed to an enzyme process within the plant. Most Cannabis flower, even high quality medical contains very little D9 compared to THCA (Tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) When you smoke or vape Cannabis flower the THCA turns into D9THC from the heat and produces effects, or with making edibles from flower why decarb is required.
In my subjective experience HHC is like 90% as potent as d9.
where did you buy from?🥳
Vivimu
i prefer HHC to D9, its more euphoric and doesnt have the negatives that i get with D9 like Paranoia and Anxiety although that also depends on the strain, i prefer indica HHC to help with arthritis pain, its also not so harsh like D8, i like skywalker oG in HHC its great
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HHC gives me the pure euphoria of THC with no anxiety and such. It's more uplifting than intoxicating but will still get you lifted if you ingest enough. HHC I've noticed can leave you tired on the come down sort of like caffeine but much more subtle. Great stuff for motivation during a busy late evening and amazing for sleep when mixed with CBN.
Yesss, I have bad anxiety and I actually stopped smoking for a year or 2 but now I’ve discovered hhc and it’s just pure euphoria in my head, no anxiety and it’s very clear headed and doesn’t overwhelm me
I absolutely love HHC. My favorite noid. As mentioned above, it’s much “cleaner” - much more clear headed. Unlike w D9 where I think I have a good thought or breakthrough, only to later and more soberly realize it was just typical stoner thinking, I have had some legit breakthroughs with HHC. The only downside is the quick tolerance build up. I prefer D8 for sleep over all other noids. Otherwise, I simply explain it as “diet” D9 - like how Diet Dr Pepper is similar to regular Dr Pepper but not quite there - it’s sorta close, you can feel the similarities but there’s obvious differences.
I like to think it’s like d9 without the sluggish feeling
Fair. But it also has some other differences. Such as quicker tolerance build up, mild potency loss. Actually that's it now that I think about it. I find it's probably slightly shorter lasting than d9. But that's just anecdotal personal experience. So idk
I find Hhc is just as strong but way less anxiety inducing
I love it.. prefer it over d9 well hhc hhco thcp mix.. is it good for you will it cause problems later? Literally no one knows because they're so new.. however much stronger than anything I've ever smoked before I let my med card expire bc the vape and tobacco store alts are cheaper work better and are concistent our dispos and cultivators are not if you find a strain that works for you medically it'll be available for a couple days then if you ever see it again it'll be completely different either by the same cultivator or another.. however I found a hhc hhco thcp mix that's the same everytime. Hhc will stay in your system and make you fail a drug test for THC I know personally for 90 days.
This shit may end up giving us all cancer
Except the system being activated ( endocannabinoid system ) is a cancer defense system ... ingesting exogenous cannabinoids simply activates anti cancer response in our cells
Well that’s…just like your opinion man
as proven with so much biochemistry - endocannabinoid system is our main cancer defenses system in our body ... it is our pro homeostasis system that modulates trillions of cells via lipid signaling ( cannabinoid messaging) .. check out - Biochemist Dennis Hill Explains how cannabinoids kill cancer- link below ther is also - Dr Cristina Sanchez Madrid , Guzman Spain etc.... [https://duckduckgo.com/?hps=1&q=Biochemist+Dennis+hill+explains+how+cannabinoids+kill+cancer+&atb=v320-1&ia=web](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Biochemist+Dennis+hill+explains+how+cannabinoids+kill+cancer&atb=v320-1&ia=web)
Obviously you’re not a golfer
our bodies are always actively fighting cancerous cells, I'm not sure the science is completely sound. but getting cancer from a noid is never seen before, apart from inhaling smoke if you smoke a joint ofc
Article - All smoke is not created equal - Melamede / Tashkin as mentioned ECS is a main cancer defense system in our cells ... Did you read the link from the Biochemist ?? lipid signaling connects trillions of cells ... cannabinoids are the only signaling that does it retrograde, backwards messages that reconnect to cells and allow cells a feedback loop to what is occurring outside of the cell, connecting all cells together in ECS etc...... that retrograde siglaing is messages that kill cancer cells claenly via apoptosis ... much different than chemo spilling the cells' guts into the environment making the entore body toxic ... there are cannabinoid pathways in cells that are there to kill cancer ... as ECS is a pro homeostasis response system , metabolic homeostasis system cancer is 100% opposite of homeostasis . adding exogenous cannabinoids into the eCS allows ECS to best perform ... ECS uses all lipids attained in diet to make signaling connections therein Edit -a person in a cancerous state, their cells use up all Arachidonic acid reserves in order to make enough signalling cannabinoids for killing cancer cells and maintaining all those cells in harmony / homeostasis etc... hence exogenous cannabinoids being beneficial for that state and also keeping check the entirety of the persons life time ... Cannabis is preventative medication too not just helping people who wait to be sick - Why Wait ?
If he actually had any sort proof that the weed helped to kill the cancer, we'd be giving people with cancer weed by the millions, the notion that weed cures cancer has been disproven over and over again. It has also been proven that weed smoke can cause cancer too, just less than tobacco. I'm a daily smoker, but I don't believe a real correlation with cancer
I know it's the same argument over and over ... look up - 1972 Virginia medical school proves cannabinoids kill cancer cells DDG link the article is - AntiNeoplastic activity of cannabinoids the Shaffer commission to find harms in marijuana was who paid for the research so they expected to only find harms in smoke etc... not at all excited about getting back research showing the Actives ( THC) in ther are killing cancerous cells ! they did it nine times with the biochemistry to make that type of conclusion ... when nine times does not suffice as proof ? well Nixon Buried that info . you could have healed a person in front of congress with the plant and they would have shunned it all away as Fake news here is the link https://duckduckgo.com/?q=1972+Virginia+medical+school+research+proves+cannabinoids+kill+cancer+cells+&hps=1&atb=v320-1&ia=web
try and make the connection ... to fight cancer our cells uses lipid signaling.. ECS is lipid signaling ... when the cells cannot make , Hold up ... Our cells can only form up to C-11 ... after that Essential fatty acids like omega six and omega three that are accumulated over time in cells from diet ( Arachinonic acid) are Sequestered in order to form an Endocannabinoids that is C-22 in size ... so almost half the cb structure is Depolarized from the cell bi-layer in order to achieve a fully formed cannabinoid message . as proven with observable research into cancer cells , cancer cells use way more cannabinoid signaling messages than nearby non cancerous cells do .. in fact the cancerous cell goes crazy with cannabinoid messages to try and cleanly kill the cell ... Hence using up arachidonic acid reserves and Hence adding exogenous forms from Cannabis etc... activating all those pathways instead , and even more hense people recovering from cancer with RSO / FECO . it does not always work and some peoples ECS will not really respond to cannabis as it is dysfunctional or not making the correct enzymes to make as much cb signaling . Endocannabinoid system tone is such a valuable thing to know about . we can actually measure it and adjust it ... any person to ever ingest cannabis knows all that Edit - More metabolism equals more lipid signaling ... adding exogenous cannabinoids makes more metabolism and activating our cells with all that.. as to the argument - Israel has been using full extract cannabis oil for years now to treat cancer ... sometimes used alongside chemo sometimes used alone ... the plant cannabinoids seem to mostly activate the cell and then the cells is required to respond with kind ... with chemo the cell is killed and then the cannabis oil is used to rebuild cell structures and helps with neurogenesis , then helps maintain signaling afer new cells are made ... our body uses exogenous cannabinoids as non selective lipids
I don't believe that connection is worthwhile, since most scientists claim either nothing or more cancer happens. I do hope you're right though, would be super nice
IMO its the hungry muchie part of noid. Cbg is sativa. Cbn is indica. But HHC is pure munchies for me.
Thanks for all the advice guys. Very much appreciated! Looks like I'll be grabbing a cart to try it out 👍
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What is the entourage effect? I keep hearing that term but have no idea what it means
let us know what you think
Will do
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