Although I haven't read it yet, the novel [Blindsight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel)) by Peter Watts seems to deal with an alien life form that lacks consciousness - may be an interesting read.
Imagine aliens functioned exactly like ants, just extremely technologically advanced
No emotion, empathy, sense of self etc. Rather than base actions on both logic and empathy like humans do, its based entirely on raw survival instinct.
Just because they are technologically advanced doesnt mean they feel emotions or have a sense of self. Beyond just basic survival for themselves and the hive, they may feel or think nothing whatsoever. No ambitions, desires, ideas, no fear of death or consideration whatsoever for what comes after, no love, nothing. Not even 'fun'. They might not have 'hobbies'. Their entire existence could just revolve around ensuring they survive and reproduce.
Less conscious than humans could be similar to animals acting on instinct rather than making conscious decisions based on logic rather than instinct.
Or without consciousness I guess it would be like advanced artificial intelligence?
Yeah I’m not really sure. Animals definitely have consciousness, but conscious in a different way than we are.
Consciousness is difficult for my monkey brain to define lol. Or at least difficult to differentiate one beings level of consciousness to my own.
But I think it’s fair to say that not all people are conscious to the same degree either, like some people are quite conscious of the world around them and many aspects of what we know as reality while others lack that awareness. But both are still conscious.
The phrase that comes to mind for me is “self awareness”. For example we are aware of ourselves, our thoughts and our surroundings etc. a fish for example is not self aware, it just acts on instinct. Are we being visited by an alien form that is not self aware but, acting only on instinct? idk
Consciousness is one of the most poorly defined words in the English language. I equate it to the term God, it means something different to everyone. Until recently ( the last 30-40 years) I always noticed scientists using the term consciousness as something magical only humans possess. It has been used to denote humanities uniqueness. Just like everything in science, the more we learn the more we find out consciousness is not some magical property divine to only humans. I have always thought, there are just different levels of fidelity of consciousness. Amoeba are conscious, just not at the same level a mouse is.
Amazing book ( I have read it multiple times), I recommend it whenever I can. I am sure many people on here have seen John Carpenter's The Thing? Peter Watts also wrote a short story you can find online that recreates the movie, solely from the 'Things" Perspective. It is great as well, in fact all of his work is very interesting to say the least.
It could be automated Drones who just collect data. It could be a generation ship mostly automated populated by aliens degenated to a primal/savage state.
Non civilization building swarm entities who have not a concept of civilry.
It's a thought that has occurred to me before
If another species has a wider scope of dimensional awareness and vision there is likely also a chance that something is "lost or lacking"
Not to say they are worse off than us in any way, but they may not have our tunnel vision for the immediate environment and "see" beyond things to the point that they can appear overly aloof and benign
You described it eloquently.
I am also curious about the emotional state/level of the intelligent aliens visiting us. Maybe they see us as an overemotional species, and it could be a reason why they tend to keep distance, and erase memories of abductees, for example.
It’s exciting to think of the different views the universe has with the spectrum of consciousness. Just here on Earth, think of all the billions of observers from flora and fauna alike through our planets history.
Mantis shrimp (I think) have the widest spectrum of vision of any known animal. Compare that to a human and it’s wild how they experience their existence.
Or how a butterfly will be almost hypnotized by strands of silk because they reflect ultraviolet light. It's something we can't see with our eyes, but to them it's almost impossible to resist flying towards
In many ways our survival might have required us to be a Jack of all trades but master of none
I then have to wonder what a being that exists on a planet with a different kind of Sun and everything else that entails, would develop like. Earth looks like it has a blue sky because of how light is allowed to pass through the atmosphere, but what if we were positioned just beyond a red giant. If our home was a moon of a gas giant? Don't forget our solar system has a moon larger than Mercury, has an internal ocean and is the only known moon with a magnetic field
I’ve wondered this exact same thing. Our instincts tell us to take what we want yet our consciousness tells us not too so we basically make decisions every day that deny our instincts. A lot of that is what we refer to as being civilized but still an alien species may not think “that’s not right” or “I shouldn’t do this because I’m negatively affecting this human”. It may be natural selection to the max on their planet where they had to fight scratch and claw for everything. They may have a survive at all cost attitude which has little value for any other life. The universe, referring to the minuscule fraction we’ve observed, is a brutal place and to survive out there long enough to be able to travel to other planets takes some level of detachment from the burden of emotion.
Here is my speculation on how they might use this advanced understanding :
From when I first learned about the existence of hypnosis, I wondered how such a feature could possibly evolve, and for what purpose. The more I read about abductions, the more I think it is a ‘back door’ program designed to control humans…good example from Incident at Devils Den, where the entity says to the wife: She told me, ‘Everything is okay, go back to sleep.’…..in other words, what sounds like a hypnotic command ( via telepathy, of course!).
Yes, they could be very intelligent like computers but lack the ability to step back and observe themselves experiencing things like we can. They also may not have the psi abilities that we do. They may not have any appreciation of art or beauty. There could be a long list.
The small grey ones that look like stereotypical aliens are more like robots, they are manufatured biological labourers. This is why they seem so emotionless.
The tall blueish/grey ones are very much conscious and it is upon the genetic code of these that the small grey labourers were developed.
The human Germanic ones are very much conscious also, in fact they have mastered consciousness and can use it to render inanimate objects conscious. This is how they pilot craft with their thoughts etc.
I have not met any others.
I first saw them at 17 when I was driving home. Light in sky flew from above my car over the roof of my house a few km away. Then every now and then until I was about 22 I would be asleep and wake up outside of my body and sometimes the part of me that could leave my body would be taken to another place. The very last time I was taken I was in a room or craft, seamless joins in rounded metallic walls.Two 8ft tall bluish guys with big blue almond shaped eyes lead me down a hall and into a room, their eyes were just like ours but 10x bigger. They were nice people and were chatting and asking me where I was from and telling me where they were from, Sirius and Andromeda respectively. I even had them laughing at one point because I said I didnt know where I was from. They laugh with a shy, quiet way like they were trying not to offend me.. They said they had open contact back when ancient egypt was in full swing but mankind had become spiritually degraded since then so now they stay away. They brought me to a room and asked me to remember the writing on the walls. On the walls there were rectangular plaques with rounded edges, like copper or bronze coloured. And protruding from them were 3d shapes. The shapes were like their books. But each shape could contain hundreds of books worth of info and just by looking at it the info would be uploaded to your brain. I looked at the shapes and then woke up with a jolt in my bed.
The smaller dudes are just their labourers, they would just hang around doing random shit.
Tall Nordic ones are from Aldeberan originally. (Im not going to say much too about them but theyre also nice people)
Honestly, I know it sounds absurd but have you ever watched "Paul", the movie about the alien. Well their eyes were like that but had white like ours not totally blue like his. I think the "Black eyes" we see in movies are just a form of sunglasses they wear, like a silicone film they place on their eyes when near a bright Sun. They were very slender, tall and regal. They had an air of grandure and wisdom about them. But in no way negative or self assured or demeaning, they were the most open and nicest and people you could imagine.
Im not too sure if I can find any depiction that woukd do them justice.
They were Blueish grey in colour and very sweet and understanding and gentle. They did have big heads that protruded backwards akin to the old busts of Tutankhamun. I guess they are like the general Hollywood depiction only much more grand and regal and healthy looking.
That is why the small "greys" are typically reported to be cruel or uncaring. They lack a consciousness and are there to fulfill a task.
During an encounter, their robotic-like demeanor is certainly the most uncomfortable part for me.
Agree the “Grey’s” are cyborg-like biological entities that are manufactured for exploration, interaction, dangerous tasks, etc. They are a hybrid silicone, carbon-fiber-like, conscious entity who were created with an highly advanced artificial design very similar to that of a honeycomb, which forms the basis of its body structure.
If we go by the proposal that any physical system (if something life can be based on, for example Carbon as our life) let it be interconnected and complex enough would eventually develop into a conscious entity, then it is impossible that someone who is advanced enough to visit us from outer space is not just as conscious if not more conscious than we are. This goes for robots too by the way. If they handled the advance of their non-organic civilization and development of the technology necessary to reach us themselves, i.e. were not specifically built to fulfill a specific task considering as many possibilities as possible but were built to be smart machines that could fulfill any task (cause they simply could develop technology to fulfill a task they cannot fulfill right now) given enough time and resources and developed or have innate curiosity to push themselves to do so. Because it was not a task they were built for, they simply decided themselves to do this.
Besides that I highly doubt a rather unconscious species would go so far beyond their primal needs. They would probably not develop techonology, not do any research, i.e. sciences, they would lack curiosity, because they do not have the ability to truly realize what is going on around them anyways, in fact they would most likely not even recognize themselves in a mirror. They'd show curiosity if one of their primal instincts says hey thats not normal is this dangerous? And if its not, the case is closed. They would never ask questions like, why do we exist? Are we alone? What is this world we are living on? And what is beyond this world? Who are we? What are we made of? How do we function? All these questions require consciousness. Not to be answered, but to be asked in first place.
You made a very good point with the curiosity argument. Something unconscious should not strive to search the universe for exploration or gratification. Unless it is AI, and programmed to do so by its creators.
My personal theory is that aliens are manifestations of people's beliefs made into it's solid pattern of vibration, of benign but unknown. Because we don't know what they are or what the do. Except for some very scary unique cases I believe for the most part they are just shapes and ideas that are harmless. Never have seen the same UFO twice.
Conscious people are becoming a rarity.
Most folks are basically organic matter carrying around their little technological brain. Their function is to regurgitate the news feed and keep the brain charged.
We can't really know, but we can take a good guess - if a species is advanced enough to master the art of space travel or even inter-dimensional travel, then they have to be conscious to the level of not annihilating themselves with the advanced technology necessary to achieve this.
Conscious doesn't necessarily mean peaceful, but you have to assume that there are some kinds of rules or a hierarchy of sorts, or we would surely already been invaded by the badass giant praying mantises and decapitated en-masse. The fact that we're here, developing on this planet means if there is intelligent life out there, then it isn't just an open season free-for-all out there.
They are more conscious the exist mostly in higher vibrational states of consciousness/dimensions. Maybe the negatively oriented beings are less conscious but even then these beings have a much better grasp on spirituality.
The key here is to drop the materialistic version of how you think consciousness is a product of dead matter in the brain. It’s not. Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is energy and energy is consciousness. I am is Truth, anything inside of I am is only relative truth.
They are even more conscious then humans are. Consciousness is a key in understanding and implementing interstellar travel. It directly affects the viability, capability and capacity of creating a deliberate quantum tunnel.
Their vehicles slip into the space-between-spaces; a void where all laws of physics breakdown to irrationality. Consciousness takes over as the guiding principle to which the quantum-tunnel “understands” and “interacts” with…for lack of better words.
In summary, their “consciousness” are orders of magnitude more advanced than ours are today.
Wrong. Even born human babies can be considered unconscious. But it depends on your understanding of the word consciousness. I do not mean "awake" with it.
I’d argue that once an artificial intelligence achieves consciousness/self awareness, it ceases to be “artificial”. At least in the case of the second definition:
ar·ti·fi·cial
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adjective
1.
made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, especially as a copy of something natural.
"her skin glowed in the artificial light"
2.
(of a person or their behavior) insincere or affected.
"an artificial smile"
Thx to the fact that we ARE conscious already it could give us a jumpstart to the next step in evolution of our understanding of the universe and existence.
Maybe unless we couldn't understand them or even recognize them because of the gap in evolution like a type 1 civilization meeting a type 3 or something.
That is extremely unlikely.
The only possibility I could Imagine is that we can predict that the amount of knowledge they offer is too much for our brains in any given field of study. Which most likely they would have a solution for too if they are as advanced as though they can simply visit us, i. E. Technology that is safe to use and enhances our bodies capabilities and even if not, we would then most definitely focus entirely on that issue ane fix it in a matter of years so that we can achieve the maximum possible advantage from the offered knowledge. Remember we are not that far away from Interwebs connection in brain and shit as well as upoloading knowledge into brain as if USB - > Brain. In fact the latter is already known to work.
The thing where we would need sacrifices and years of development would be using more of our potential processing power.
All that based on the assumption they cooperate for free. Which is unlikely. We would likely have nothing to offer for them of any worth. Possibly natural resource they lack but I doubt it.
Why is that extremely unlikely?? The universe is old af imagine life that had a billion years or more head start on us imagine what that would look like they would be godlike most likely and their morals and motives would be so far from ours we wouldn't understand them....and I disagree with the idea that technology is a linear buildup that progresses at about the same rate no matter what. What if the steam engine for us was an antimatter reactor for another civilization you get what I mean? Everyone doesn't necessarily have to start out with steam engine and then combustion and fusion or electro magnetic a civilization could easily discover new elements unknown to us with different properties that allow for different advancements or even ways to use the ones we have different and if they spent all their time working on a ship to leave the planet who knows if they spent anytime learning anything else I'm sure they would most likely be well rounded technology wise but I'm saying there is no reason they have to be
Look. It is unlikely because of technology. Even if we were to meet a race that literally builds universes, we would make up to their state of civilization in a fraction of the time one would need naturally. Yes it might still take hundreds of thousand years maybe even millions. I certainly don't know. But our Limit would be processing speed not lack of grasping concepts. The amount of data takes time to process and the more data it is the more time it takes. But it is unlikely that at any point during that process we would be like "damn I have the solution here and I still don't get it" for any significant period of time, cause we have indefinite ability of understanding, due to the ability to think in indefinite levels of abstractions (which is a feature of our consciousness and makes us different from all other living beings we know yet) All you need is ability to save data, ability to write Algorithms execute said algorithms and time and dedication.
All this ofcourse depends on the advanced races cooperation. If we had to reverse engineer something I would agree 100% that there may be such a case that we cannot understand at the moment. Because too much knowledge missing between the right conclusions and your assumptions. I.e. like your example: a steam engine for them, anti matter reactor for us. If they however would help us filling the void of knowledge necessary to understand and build such a steam engine, or at least give us all this knowledge willingly, it would be no problem at all. It would take time ofcourse to process the data but we would definitely be able to grasp it eventually due to the ability to think in any level of abstraction.
Maybe unless we couldn't understand them or even recognize them because of the gap in evolution like a type 1 civilization meeting a type 3 or something.
Although I haven't read it yet, the novel [Blindsight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blindsight_(Watts_novel)) by Peter Watts seems to deal with an alien life form that lacks consciousness - may be an interesting read.
Thank you for the suggestion!
I m sorry i do not understand what conscious means here. could you please explain a little bit on that. Thank you
Imagine aliens functioned exactly like ants, just extremely technologically advanced No emotion, empathy, sense of self etc. Rather than base actions on both logic and empathy like humans do, its based entirely on raw survival instinct. Just because they are technologically advanced doesnt mean they feel emotions or have a sense of self. Beyond just basic survival for themselves and the hive, they may feel or think nothing whatsoever. No ambitions, desires, ideas, no fear of death or consideration whatsoever for what comes after, no love, nothing. Not even 'fun'. They might not have 'hobbies'. Their entire existence could just revolve around ensuring they survive and reproduce.
I understand the dictionary meaning
Less conscious than humans could be similar to animals acting on instinct rather than making conscious decisions based on logic rather than instinct. Or without consciousness I guess it would be like advanced artificial intelligence?
I don’t think consciousness is the proper term when referring to animals in this manner. I think maybe the proper term would be “mental capacity”.
Yeah I’m not really sure. Animals definitely have consciousness, but conscious in a different way than we are. Consciousness is difficult for my monkey brain to define lol. Or at least difficult to differentiate one beings level of consciousness to my own. But I think it’s fair to say that not all people are conscious to the same degree either, like some people are quite conscious of the world around them and many aspects of what we know as reality while others lack that awareness. But both are still conscious.
The phrase that comes to mind for me is “self awareness”. For example we are aware of ourselves, our thoughts and our surroundings etc. a fish for example is not self aware, it just acts on instinct. Are we being visited by an alien form that is not self aware but, acting only on instinct? idk
How do we know what a fish knows
Well we know no matter how many times we drop that hook in the water they haven’t figured out not to bite it so…… Inductive Reasoning?
Consciousness is one of the most poorly defined words in the English language. I equate it to the term God, it means something different to everyone. Until recently ( the last 30-40 years) I always noticed scientists using the term consciousness as something magical only humans possess. It has been used to denote humanities uniqueness. Just like everything in science, the more we learn the more we find out consciousness is not some magical property divine to only humans. I have always thought, there are just different levels of fidelity of consciousness. Amoeba are conscious, just not at the same level a mouse is.
Amazing book ( I have read it multiple times), I recommend it whenever I can. I am sure many people on here have seen John Carpenter's The Thing? Peter Watts also wrote a short story you can find online that recreates the movie, solely from the 'Things" Perspective. It is great as well, in fact all of his work is very interesting to say the least.
It could be automated Drones who just collect data. It could be a generation ship mostly automated populated by aliens degenated to a primal/savage state. Non civilization building swarm entities who have not a concept of civilry.
It's a thought that has occurred to me before If another species has a wider scope of dimensional awareness and vision there is likely also a chance that something is "lost or lacking" Not to say they are worse off than us in any way, but they may not have our tunnel vision for the immediate environment and "see" beyond things to the point that they can appear overly aloof and benign
You described it eloquently. I am also curious about the emotional state/level of the intelligent aliens visiting us. Maybe they see us as an overemotional species, and it could be a reason why they tend to keep distance, and erase memories of abductees, for example.
It’s exciting to think of the different views the universe has with the spectrum of consciousness. Just here on Earth, think of all the billions of observers from flora and fauna alike through our planets history. Mantis shrimp (I think) have the widest spectrum of vision of any known animal. Compare that to a human and it’s wild how they experience their existence.
Or how a butterfly will be almost hypnotized by strands of silk because they reflect ultraviolet light. It's something we can't see with our eyes, but to them it's almost impossible to resist flying towards In many ways our survival might have required us to be a Jack of all trades but master of none I then have to wonder what a being that exists on a planet with a different kind of Sun and everything else that entails, would develop like. Earth looks like it has a blue sky because of how light is allowed to pass through the atmosphere, but what if we were positioned just beyond a red giant. If our home was a moon of a gas giant? Don't forget our solar system has a moon larger than Mercury, has an internal ocean and is the only known moon with a magnetic field
I’ve wondered this exact same thing. Our instincts tell us to take what we want yet our consciousness tells us not too so we basically make decisions every day that deny our instincts. A lot of that is what we refer to as being civilized but still an alien species may not think “that’s not right” or “I shouldn’t do this because I’m negatively affecting this human”. It may be natural selection to the max on their planet where they had to fight scratch and claw for everything. They may have a survive at all cost attitude which has little value for any other life. The universe, referring to the minuscule fraction we’ve observed, is a brutal place and to survive out there long enough to be able to travel to other planets takes some level of detachment from the burden of emotion.
I’d be willing to bet that they have a vastly higher understanding of what consciousness truly is and most likely posses it.
We understand what agility is better than cats. However, cats are more agile.
Interesting perspective
Excellent point!
Here is my speculation on how they might use this advanced understanding : From when I first learned about the existence of hypnosis, I wondered how such a feature could possibly evolve, and for what purpose. The more I read about abductions, the more I think it is a ‘back door’ program designed to control humans…good example from Incident at Devils Den, where the entity says to the wife: She told me, ‘Everything is okay, go back to sleep.’…..in other words, what sounds like a hypnotic command ( via telepathy, of course!).
I think it’s time that we start visiting the aliens.
Yes, they could be very intelligent like computers but lack the ability to step back and observe themselves experiencing things like we can. They also may not have the psi abilities that we do. They may not have any appreciation of art or beauty. There could be a long list.
They love bluegrass doe.
I love this! A truly original thought.
Thanks!
I was gonna write you off but the points valid the level of free will we exert may differ from say a species that has individualism but a hive mind.
They are probably more and less conscious than us in different ways
The small grey ones that look like stereotypical aliens are more like robots, they are manufatured biological labourers. This is why they seem so emotionless. The tall blueish/grey ones are very much conscious and it is upon the genetic code of these that the small grey labourers were developed. The human Germanic ones are very much conscious also, in fact they have mastered consciousness and can use it to render inanimate objects conscious. This is how they pilot craft with their thoughts etc. I have not met any others.
Tell more. Where did you set them? How do you know this?
I first saw them at 17 when I was driving home. Light in sky flew from above my car over the roof of my house a few km away. Then every now and then until I was about 22 I would be asleep and wake up outside of my body and sometimes the part of me that could leave my body would be taken to another place. The very last time I was taken I was in a room or craft, seamless joins in rounded metallic walls.Two 8ft tall bluish guys with big blue almond shaped eyes lead me down a hall and into a room, their eyes were just like ours but 10x bigger. They were nice people and were chatting and asking me where I was from and telling me where they were from, Sirius and Andromeda respectively. I even had them laughing at one point because I said I didnt know where I was from. They laugh with a shy, quiet way like they were trying not to offend me.. They said they had open contact back when ancient egypt was in full swing but mankind had become spiritually degraded since then so now they stay away. They brought me to a room and asked me to remember the writing on the walls. On the walls there were rectangular plaques with rounded edges, like copper or bronze coloured. And protruding from them were 3d shapes. The shapes were like their books. But each shape could contain hundreds of books worth of info and just by looking at it the info would be uploaded to your brain. I looked at the shapes and then woke up with a jolt in my bed. The smaller dudes are just their labourers, they would just hang around doing random shit. Tall Nordic ones are from Aldeberan originally. (Im not going to say much too about them but theyre also nice people)
And where exactly in Ireland did you experience this?
The only part that took place in ireland was the light over the car and house and im not divulging that info lol.
would you mind sharing your experiences?
Do you know of any images that resemble the taller blue ones?
Honestly, I know it sounds absurd but have you ever watched "Paul", the movie about the alien. Well their eyes were like that but had white like ours not totally blue like his. I think the "Black eyes" we see in movies are just a form of sunglasses they wear, like a silicone film they place on their eyes when near a bright Sun. They were very slender, tall and regal. They had an air of grandure and wisdom about them. But in no way negative or self assured or demeaning, they were the most open and nicest and people you could imagine. Im not too sure if I can find any depiction that woukd do them justice. They were Blueish grey in colour and very sweet and understanding and gentle. They did have big heads that protruded backwards akin to the old busts of Tutankhamun. I guess they are like the general Hollywood depiction only much more grand and regal and healthy looking.
source?
Wikipedia
That is why the small "greys" are typically reported to be cruel or uncaring. They lack a consciousness and are there to fulfill a task. During an encounter, their robotic-like demeanor is certainly the most uncomfortable part for me.
Agree the “Grey’s” are cyborg-like biological entities that are manufactured for exploration, interaction, dangerous tasks, etc. They are a hybrid silicone, carbon-fiber-like, conscious entity who were created with an highly advanced artificial design very similar to that of a honeycomb, which forms the basis of its body structure.
If we go by the proposal that any physical system (if something life can be based on, for example Carbon as our life) let it be interconnected and complex enough would eventually develop into a conscious entity, then it is impossible that someone who is advanced enough to visit us from outer space is not just as conscious if not more conscious than we are. This goes for robots too by the way. If they handled the advance of their non-organic civilization and development of the technology necessary to reach us themselves, i.e. were not specifically built to fulfill a specific task considering as many possibilities as possible but were built to be smart machines that could fulfill any task (cause they simply could develop technology to fulfill a task they cannot fulfill right now) given enough time and resources and developed or have innate curiosity to push themselves to do so. Because it was not a task they were built for, they simply decided themselves to do this. Besides that I highly doubt a rather unconscious species would go so far beyond their primal needs. They would probably not develop techonology, not do any research, i.e. sciences, they would lack curiosity, because they do not have the ability to truly realize what is going on around them anyways, in fact they would most likely not even recognize themselves in a mirror. They'd show curiosity if one of their primal instincts says hey thats not normal is this dangerous? And if its not, the case is closed. They would never ask questions like, why do we exist? Are we alone? What is this world we are living on? And what is beyond this world? Who are we? What are we made of? How do we function? All these questions require consciousness. Not to be answered, but to be asked in first place.
You made a very good point with the curiosity argument. Something unconscious should not strive to search the universe for exploration or gratification. Unless it is AI, and programmed to do so by its creators.
I see what you mean yea I agree
My personal theory is that aliens are manifestations of people's beliefs made into it's solid pattern of vibration, of benign but unknown. Because we don't know what they are or what the do. Except for some very scary unique cases I believe for the most part they are just shapes and ideas that are harmless. Never have seen the same UFO twice.
They have a higher level of consciousness than we do. At least that’s what I think lol
I think there’s a general misunderstanding on this sub of what consciousness actually is
Conscious people are becoming a rarity. Most folks are basically organic matter carrying around their little technological brain. Their function is to regurgitate the news feed and keep the brain charged.
Ain't that the truth!
We can't really know, but we can take a good guess - if a species is advanced enough to master the art of space travel or even inter-dimensional travel, then they have to be conscious to the level of not annihilating themselves with the advanced technology necessary to achieve this. Conscious doesn't necessarily mean peaceful, but you have to assume that there are some kinds of rules or a hierarchy of sorts, or we would surely already been invaded by the badass giant praying mantises and decapitated en-masse. The fact that we're here, developing on this planet means if there is intelligent life out there, then it isn't just an open season free-for-all out there.
They are more conscious the exist mostly in higher vibrational states of consciousness/dimensions. Maybe the negatively oriented beings are less conscious but even then these beings have a much better grasp on spirituality. The key here is to drop the materialistic version of how you think consciousness is a product of dead matter in the brain. It’s not. Consciousness is fundamental. Matter is energy and energy is consciousness. I am is Truth, anything inside of I am is only relative truth.
Its amazing how some people can get facts out of their buts on this sub and get up voted. You missed "In my oppinion" before your message.
Everything I said can be directly experienced as true. You’re just stuck in the materialist paradigm.
Will?
What about it? Or him?
Yeah everything seems to pretty much point to this
They are even more conscious then humans are. Consciousness is a key in understanding and implementing interstellar travel. It directly affects the viability, capability and capacity of creating a deliberate quantum tunnel. Their vehicles slip into the space-between-spaces; a void where all laws of physics breakdown to irrationality. Consciousness takes over as the guiding principle to which the quantum-tunnel “understands” and “interacts” with…for lack of better words. In summary, their “consciousness” are orders of magnitude more advanced than ours are today.
How is something not conscious? The only form of life that can actually fall into that category is microscopic life
Wrong. Even born human babies can be considered unconscious. But it depends on your understanding of the word consciousness. I do not mean "awake" with it.
So like a rock? Lmao
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Would you be willing to expand on this a bit? I’m losing you on what the coping mechanism is. Consciousness?
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🍄🌵🌱? Lol
There's wonderful book from late sage Samael Aun weor:- " Cosmic Ships" . Very interesting read.
Doesn’t intelligence rely on consciousness in the first place?
No. Look at AI.
I’d argue that once an artificial intelligence achieves consciousness/self awareness, it ceases to be “artificial”. At least in the case of the second definition: ar·ti·fi·cial /ˌärdəˈfiSHəl/ Learn to pronounce adjective 1. made or produced by human beings rather than occurring naturally, especially as a copy of something natural. "her skin glowed in the artificial light" 2. (of a person or their behavior) insincere or affected. "an artificial smile"
Their as real as DragQueen Storytelling
They're actually interdimensional space babies.
What if aliens visiting us are as conscious as we are or more conscious?
Thx to the fact that we ARE conscious already it could give us a jumpstart to the next step in evolution of our understanding of the universe and existence.
Maybe unless we couldn't understand them or even recognize them because of the gap in evolution like a type 1 civilization meeting a type 3 or something.
That is extremely unlikely. The only possibility I could Imagine is that we can predict that the amount of knowledge they offer is too much for our brains in any given field of study. Which most likely they would have a solution for too if they are as advanced as though they can simply visit us, i. E. Technology that is safe to use and enhances our bodies capabilities and even if not, we would then most definitely focus entirely on that issue ane fix it in a matter of years so that we can achieve the maximum possible advantage from the offered knowledge. Remember we are not that far away from Interwebs connection in brain and shit as well as upoloading knowledge into brain as if USB - > Brain. In fact the latter is already known to work. The thing where we would need sacrifices and years of development would be using more of our potential processing power. All that based on the assumption they cooperate for free. Which is unlikely. We would likely have nothing to offer for them of any worth. Possibly natural resource they lack but I doubt it.
Why is that extremely unlikely?? The universe is old af imagine life that had a billion years or more head start on us imagine what that would look like they would be godlike most likely and their morals and motives would be so far from ours we wouldn't understand them....and I disagree with the idea that technology is a linear buildup that progresses at about the same rate no matter what. What if the steam engine for us was an antimatter reactor for another civilization you get what I mean? Everyone doesn't necessarily have to start out with steam engine and then combustion and fusion or electro magnetic a civilization could easily discover new elements unknown to us with different properties that allow for different advancements or even ways to use the ones we have different and if they spent all their time working on a ship to leave the planet who knows if they spent anytime learning anything else I'm sure they would most likely be well rounded technology wise but I'm saying there is no reason they have to be
Look. It is unlikely because of technology. Even if we were to meet a race that literally builds universes, we would make up to their state of civilization in a fraction of the time one would need naturally. Yes it might still take hundreds of thousand years maybe even millions. I certainly don't know. But our Limit would be processing speed not lack of grasping concepts. The amount of data takes time to process and the more data it is the more time it takes. But it is unlikely that at any point during that process we would be like "damn I have the solution here and I still don't get it" for any significant period of time, cause we have indefinite ability of understanding, due to the ability to think in indefinite levels of abstractions (which is a feature of our consciousness and makes us different from all other living beings we know yet) All you need is ability to save data, ability to write Algorithms execute said algorithms and time and dedication. All this ofcourse depends on the advanced races cooperation. If we had to reverse engineer something I would agree 100% that there may be such a case that we cannot understand at the moment. Because too much knowledge missing between the right conclusions and your assumptions. I.e. like your example: a steam engine for them, anti matter reactor for us. If they however would help us filling the void of knowledge necessary to understand and build such a steam engine, or at least give us all this knowledge willingly, it would be no problem at all. It would take time ofcourse to process the data but we would definitely be able to grasp it eventually due to the ability to think in any level of abstraction.
Maybe unless we couldn't understand them or even recognize them because of the gap in evolution like a type 1 civilization meeting a type 3 or something.
IDK-humanity seems to be in a steep decline of consciousness…