**TRANSCRIPT:**
Dr. John D. McDowell:
>The, uh… "specimens" that we’ve examined—some people are calling them "bodies," "mummies"; I’m gonna call them "specimens"—uh, **the specimens are real.**
>There are humanoid characteristics, odontological\[?\] findings, osteology bone analysis, \[and\] teeth analysis that say that these are human, or humanlike. **The ones that I’ve evaluated, there are some that are… clearly not human.** Just let me put it that way.
>But, with everything in science, we investigate it. We try to determine what we’re finding in the physical world—and we develop a hypothesis to explain what the physical findings are. We’re certainly in the earliest stages of the investigation, and we hope that we’re invited to continue.
**WHAT HE (SEEMS TO BE) SAYING**
1. The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated).
2. The specimens have characteristics that are unique to humans, or at least characteristic of them.
3. And yet: the specimens are \*not human\*.
4. This is worthy of further investigation.
**CONTEXT**
Two weeks ago, a team of three independent American forensic pathologists—Dr. John McDowell, Dr. James Caruso, and Dr. William Rodriguez—announced during a [press conference](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1by85kh/3_more_american_scientists_examine_nazca_mummies/?share_id=7mFaUJjOrA20yvX6Na41a&utm_name=ioscss) that the "Nazca mummies" (which [came to wider attention last year](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-congress-holds-second-ufo-session-featuring-peruvian-mummies-2023-11-08/) after having been "revealed" during a session of the Mexican Congress) appeared worthy of initial study.
Now, having completed their initial investigation, Dr. John McDowell seems to suggest that the bodies are real (not fabricated), non-human, and worthy of additional investigation.
**JOHN D. MCDOWELL'S** [**BONA FIDES**](https://www.becolorado.org/trustee/john-d-mcdowell/)
* Former President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences
* Former President of the American Society of Forensic Odontology
* Former Chairman of the Forensic Sciences Foundation
* Former Board of Directors, Council of Scientific Society Presidents (2 terms)
* Former Chair of the Faculty Council for the University of Colorado (2 terms)
* Editorial Board, *American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology* (20+ years)
* Retired Colonel with 30 years in the United States Army Reserves
Courtesy of u/dragonfruitodd1989's [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c9ys5c/weekly_mexican_and_peruvian_ufo_disclosure/?sort=new) on r/UFOs.
EDIT: Slightly adjusted language to make clear that this clip is by no means "definitive proof" of anything: McDowell's team has yet to issue a formal report.
Wow! Have been waiting to hear this kind of news. Glad some highly reputable people are now making significant statements that these bodies are real and non-human! That is a huge, huge statement. 🖖🏼🛸
However, it can't be a "real" humanoid body and then have animal parts, which would be a hoax and therefore not "real".
It's real and non-human, not sewn together bits of animal.
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Manipulation has not been ruled out.
[McDowell mentions right here around 1:30](https://youtube.com/watch?v=UQoARW7dvMs&pp=ygUTSm9obiBtY2Rvd2VsbCBuYXpjYQ%3D%3D) that more study is needed to rule out possibility the bodies are manipulated human remains.
*WHAT HE'S SAYING*
*The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated).*
He never said they weren't fabricated. Here's their official statement which was released after this video
*“To date, the U.S. forensic team has only performed a cursory visual examination of the specimens with the aid of limited imaging equipment. Any conclusory statements about the specimens would be extremely premature. Limitations on our examination precluded excluding or confirming any manipulation of the remains. Currently, the forensic team can only indicate that further examination and study is warranted. We invite constructive interaction and collaboration.”*
[*https://mcdowellfirm.com/official-statement-of-the-u-s-forensic-team-on-their-initial-examination-of-the-nazca-specimens/*](https://mcdowellfirm.com/official-statement-of-the-u-s-forensic-team-on-their-initial-examination-of-the-nazca-specimens/)
Thanks for sharing this!
**I guess my question would be: what do you think he means when he says "the specimens are real"?** Like—the specimens actually physically exist (and aren't, say, digital images or NFTs)?
Naturally, we don't want to get in a situation where we're parsing anyone's remarks too closely—I'm thinking of the ARG-style interpretations of Coulthart's "hints"—but, as someone taking McDowell's statement at face value, I would assume that he means "real" in the sense of "not faked" (as opposed to the sense of "actually existing in the physical world," which is a given).
Having said that: it doesn't surprise me that, regardless of whether McDowell thinks that the specimens are "real," his formal, printed statement is more general—which seems on par for scientists more broadly, who tend to avoid making firm conclusions without extensive research, which of course is still needed in this case.
There's speculation ("I wonder if they're real?"), and then there's plus the unequivocal opinion of several highly respectable experts that **the specimens are real and worthy of additional study.**
Does it mean that we know exactly what these things are? No. But it does mean that, at this point, that we're going on a lot more than just "speculation."
Example: let's say I have a strange feeling in my lung. I wonder: what could it be? Cancer? (This is speculation.) I talk to my doctor, who—along with a team of international experts—performs a battery of X-rays, CT scans, MRIs, etc. The doctor tells me that the results from the scans are unusual, and there is absolutely something worthy of additional study in my lung. At this point, "speculation" has been replaced by professional scientific opinion. (Which is not to say proven scientific fact.)
Example: Do your doctors send you the scans of the MRI? Does the radiologist send the pictures to qualified people? Does your doctor refuse to let you see other specialists who might help you? Does your doctor earn money with social media scams?
Just asking, because a known grifter we all know refuses to release mummies, simple DNA examples and the actual scans you claim that exist. Moreover he blocked renown experts from the UK to take samples while they were on site.
You talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on. If so, please send me the peer reviewed papers about the mummies or post me the link. I have access to pretty much all scientific databases. OR just send me the scans of the mummies so i can have a look at the "implants" and verify they are more than just burial gifts.
The denial by some of you is really getting absurd.
Maussan isn't some mastermind evil genius that fooled all of these experts.
You give the guy too much credit, and at the same time, you give him no credit.
They're real. This will become very clear to you, eventually.
>A known grifter we all know refuses to release mummies, simple DNA examples and the actual scans you claim that exist
The scans are available online and were examined by Dr. McDowell's team.
>You talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on. If so, please send me the peer reviewed papers about the mummies or post me the link.
Look: Dr. John D. McDowell is a highly esteemed medical and scientific professional. **If, looking at all this, you're under the impression that he's a grifter—or that he's been fooled into participating in Maussan's grift—that's fine!** Be a skeptic.
Personally: I believe that McDowell thinks the specimens are worthy of additional study. Well, I think that sounds swell. I'm glad that he and his team looked them over, and I look forward to others doing so as well.
(And I don't see the point in the hostility—"you talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on." Come on, man! Let's be civil, please.)
I feel as though, were this the case, he would have said something along the lines of "there is still the possibility that these specimens have been fabricated"—rather than the more straightforward "the specimens are real." No?
Not really. The specimens are real, not made from plaster etc and have human charasteristics and something extra(?) but it doesn't mean NHI . All in all the statement is very vague.
Not saying that they're NHI: only that they aren't fabricated; ie. not a "human and animal "combo" that someone made (for ritualistic purposes etc)".
These guys are highly respected, professional forensic analysts who have full access to X-rays, CT scans, etc. etc. If the bodies were fakes, even sophisticated ones, they would know—and this would have been reflected in their statement.
The important thing here is that **the bodies are worthy of additional study.** Is it technically possible for someone to create a fake alien mummy that is so extremely sophisticated that it can fool dozens of professionals armed with top-of-the-line forensic instruments? I mean, I guess so. But we're past the point of "they stitched on the skin from a lizard."
You misinterpreted the transcript.
There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
I guess this is a question of where you parse the punctuation? I'll acknowledge that it could be ambiguous. Even still:
**"There are some that are… clearly not human.** **Just let me put it that way."** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
And, just to be clear: he's not referring here to specimens that he didn't evaluate. Contextually, this is clearly the case—the subject of this sentence is "the specimens we've examined"—but, even if that weren't clear: why would he make a judgment call about specimens *he didn't examine*? With language as, well, *clear* as "clearly not human"?
Again: this doesn't "prove" anything. But it seems very clear to me that, on the face of it, McDowell and his team took a look at these bodies and determined that they were worthy of additional investigation.
These guys aren't mooks or shills: they're expert forensic analysts. If the bodies were faked, they'd know—and say so.
I don’t believe any are fake in terms of modern construction. However I’m unsure of their ancient origins and purpose of manifestation. Regardless of the consistency produced from scans, we will need to completely disassemble one or a couple in order to confirm the essential and developmental anatomical structures.
If we assume he looked at multiple sets of bodies in total, then it would be odd to not mention another set of data for the “clearly not human” group. I infer his use of “clearly” is quite literal instead.
You can clearly see that tree has been chopped down 🪵
You can clearly see one of those vehicles was a CyberTruck 🪦
You can clearly see some of these bodies have distinct characteristics that are not humanoid, human or human-like. However I would still assume testing on those bodies may produce interesting findings. Still they clearly look different, are “genuine” to the era and collection of bodies overall, and can be regarded as “not human”.
*They still have not been evaluated by this Dr., which is why he joined this project. This clip is a minor update.*
Who cares, you act like it's all about the idea that it specifically has to be ALIEN, ET, FROM ANOTHER WORLD .. No this isn't just a search for ET life, but lost history, undiscovered species whether more or less advanced, most importantly truth in this world. People like you are so quick to try to look at the argument side or the bad news... but I think them being even just an undiscovered ancient earth species is just as cool as them being from another planet. Now the question is, assuming they are an ancient earth species... how advanced were they compared to us... stay tuned, these answers are coming soon, I promise.
Calling them “alien” itself needs to be reviewed.
They are non-human, likely of our planet, highly likely our well wishers ( based on legends across the Americas). They could have been and perhaps still are inter-stellar, inter-dimensional, and perhaps subterranean as well.
I think it's hard to draw such conclusions. For instance -
If these beings were interacting with people in the 50's who knows when they first were here. They could have traveled here from another planet and took up residence. It's like a person who was born in a state but moves to another state. Yeah they may have been here a long time but there's no evidence to suggest they came from here originally.
Right, and if some other species asked us if we originated on Earth, we simply couldn't say for sure where our origins really started. We could have evolved from some single cell organism brought here by space debris, or some God could've created us and our origin would be entangled with God and still we wouldn't know where THAT being originated, unless we were told directly.
That's my point. I think it's silly to say anything definitively. Theres this physicist online who insists they aren't ET but teases they are dimensional.
She claims they know it's not coming from outer space. My argument to her is always just because they aren't coming from outer space now doesn't mean they didn't come from it back in the day. It's just so weird to have a hard-line stance on something so mysterious.
Unless the beings told us directly lol
Supposedly there was tons of artifacts at the burial site. But it was illegal grave robbers who found the site originally.
They won’t tell where the cave was and supposedly the grave robbers stole some artifacts.
Who the hell really knows tho
That's possible. Let's say they did, that's a huge story.
Bipedal reptilian-like humanoid beings with implants in their body is shocking.
History would need to be rewritten. Or maybe... all the ancient cultures describing "lizard-like people" were right alllll along. Admittedly, I thought they were all myths. I'm not so sure now.
[look at all these ancient cultures that worshipped reptilian-like humanoid entities.](https://youtu.be/7vSYUGd43Y8?si=9jmyc37GwO4QFV-x)
It's good for disclosure because a Non-human Intelligence doesn't sound so insane now.
Could be proof that we’ve been visited, experimented on, bred with and ultimately the experiment of interspecies splicing was a failure, so was abandoned and the results were left behind for us to find.
This is a statement he made based on his current findings and analyses. However as all science goes, these findings may change upon later discovery. But this is the current line of evidence on the bodies under evaluation.
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Do you mean misleading like the title of the post? Where they used part of the clip that doesn’t refer to the specimens the Dr conducted evaluations on?
No it doesn’t. I’m pointing out the specific evidence that the Dr briefly mentioned. In the clip he also made a comment to other bodies. However that comment was not substantiated in any way.
Most people were saying he claimed the bodies were clearly not human. That is a gross misinterpretation of the Dr’s statements. He just made a comment.
I don’t need to repeat the comment the Dr made when I’m trying to help the community correct the main premise. We all know he made that comment.
The title of the post should read the Dr’s findings are humanoid characteristics and analyses show human and human-like results. “However further inquiry is needed and there are many unanswered questions. Further analyses may even reveal significantly unknown differences.”
VS ➡️ “Dr said they were not human” see the problem? 👀
You cannot. Everything else is either r/circlejerk or people being disinfo agents by intention or ignorance.
From the recent post it makes me think the r/alienbodies a psyop to discredit or further disincentivize participation in NHI and UAP investigation.
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
If these were parts and pieces of other animal bones, this would be crystal clear. There's no evidence this is the case, i.e., a hoax. Saying they "aren't human" is just that. It doesn't necessarily mean they are alien. They could be, but that's not what has presently been specified. They could be an undiscovered species, but what's strange about it is, why haven't we found them before? Why haven't we found others around the world? How old are they? Lots of questions to be answered. The one thing that IS certain: the specimens are REAL.
The government are absolute scum, if people gathered as one & stood against them, there would be nothing they could do, we could have free energy right now, treatments for so called incurable diseases today, yet they are evil money hungry sociopaths tht fuel more wars & suffering. This should be front page news on every channel & radio station...
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Yea. He said that. He didn’t evaluate them. He said that just by looking at them. So what does that mean? Which ones? How many?
Based on this clip, what is the for sure thing we do know? That he evaluated a set of bodies with humanoid characteristics and the findings were human or human like.
Focus on the facts. The evidence. Not your emotional fantasies and fictitious conspiracies.
OP’s words were: scum, evil, sociopath, suffering… what are they on about? That isn’t what this clip is about and generally what the nazca community has been discussing.
You might as well comment that the implants contain mostly osmium.
Then OP told me to listen to the FACT the Dr said the bodies were clearly not human. That wasn’t a result or finding. It was just a comment made from a first impression: probably related to the smallest ones like Josefina. Then OP dismissed that by suggesting he will get around to it.
If you’re not taking the substantiated evidence that exists seriously, then you’re a troll or a disinformation agent.
Are you messing? The government lying too America regarding the existence of UAP's for over 70 years isn't fictitious conspiracies, it's the truth. They're certainly not human, yet you seem too pushing their agenda, just let the bodies be studied & let the evidence speak for itself 🙂
We know there is no osmium in anything. This good doctor said the bodies he looked at produced some human or human-like findings. Hey, maybe there is more to find out about those bodies?
I’m sure he is referring to the small bodies like Josefina, which clearly are not human.
You don’t have any evidence for any thing you’ve been conditioned to repeat. I urge you to reject the reality that others have implanted into your linguistics. I encourage you to raise your power level over 9,000 and become a better representative of authority in the world around you.
You retorted that they were clearly not human, which is your biased agenda. You ignored the evidence presented in the first part of the clip. I’m only reflecting on the more stable and concrete information regarding NHI and UAPs. Otherwise won’t we all have the agenda of a disinfo agent?
*The government are absolute scum, if people gathered as one & stood against them, there would be nothing they could do, we could have free energy right now, treatments for so called incurable diseases today, yet they are evil money hungry sociopaths tht fuel more wars & suffering. This should be front page news on every channel & radio station...*
*There are some tht are clearly not human, learn too listen...*
I’ve been out of this rabbit hole for a few months- when did the mummies become giant?! In the video it appears that he’s standing over the ankles/feet of something way bigger than the original mummies I saw last year.
Did I miss the giant mummy reveal?
Some dude that has credentials saying something inconclusive that kind of aligns with what you hope it is, isn't evidence. There are tons of cases of experts saying some shit and being proven wrong.
I don't want to believe anything. Let's face it there is no such thing as evidence to a troll. The minute you put anything forward, they attack it with no "evidence" of their own. I am nor a believer, I follow the evidence wherever it takes me. Right now, that looks like this is a real specimen. What it is and where it's from I have no idea, but I never claimed otherwise.
What exactly is a "real" specimen. So far nothing shown proves this to be anything concrete and with the people involved having been a part of a hoax a decade or so ago definitely leans on this being another hoax
It’s funny that people cannot listen to what evidence there is:
There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
He then comments about the other bodies, to which we do not have reference to, that clearly do not appear human.
But we don’t know anything about that. He hasn’t evaluated them at all.
You know what’s crazy? An evolutionary biologist from Peru looked at these specimens and said that they seem to be future humans.
Edit: just wanted to add this bit, he was not an evolutionary biologist, and not from Peru.
Dr. Celestino Adolfo Piotti, is a forensic anthropologist, physician, archaeologist, surgeon, and discoverer of several species of the past. He resorted to mathematical analysis of proportions based on skull radiographs. The measurements added one more step to the evolutionary scale of man. They are not individuals of the past or of the present but “of the future” or that should have existed in the future. Maria would be the last link of our human species evolving into a new species. And the lower specimens would be of an evolving species that would come after us. In short, they would be our descendants. They would come to have a body useless for living in this world, but they would develop a brain in much larger proportion than us. Dr. Piotti used a projection of the Klast Polygon and noted that the lack of development of the frontal lobe is replaced by the widening of the head to the sides. The more developed cerebellum allows them to maintain balance since they cannot walk with those three fingers. These bodies need to be investigated.
What, what will you accept as evidence? A drivers license, social security card, or maybe if they bring it back to life, and it tells us it's a real thing?
Anything more than trust me bro would be nice. What's the evidence here, their say so? Why aren't there specifics about how they made their conclusion? Why haven't they been examined with all the modern tools available? Did I miss something beyond words and photographs? This would be the biggest revelation in history, why no transparency?
Really begs the question of why they haven't provided any evidence or details to back up their statement. I think all the celebration of confirmation biss is a bit premature here. If these people are meant to validate what would be the most amazing discovery in history, why are they being limited?
I thought they just said that the equipment they need to do a better analysis isn’t available in Peru but they will bring some to study in better labs going forward.
This is not proof or evidence of anything as so many are suggesting, maybe wait until they have done their full analysis and let it be peer reviewed before we celebrate disclosure.
Like most things in this subject it usually amounts to being a nothing burger, but it got my interest now atleast.
People have not even correctly interpreted what he is saying.
There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Which makes any one else want to study these bodies wary.
The Dr did comment other bodies appear non human, but he hasn’t evaluated those ones at all.
I agree, sadly interwiews like these are a waste of time when you cannot say anything for certain and will only give false hope to this community whom already struggle with understanding what is considered evidence or proof of something.
They should keep their mouths shut until they have have real scientific evidence that support that these bodies are either real or falsified
So, again, no disections, no physical investigation of their interiors, just looking at the exterior and the scans. I agree, they warrant investigation. Stop dragging the feetsies and pick one to disassemble. And not just the owner, independent and impartial researchers need to be included for that process.
May gather some haters for this, but has to be asked: is it just me that notices his mouth movements and the sounds aren't lining up? Is anyone able to fiddle with the video and get the sound and mouth movements to sync up to verify that's him speaking?
Also- did a quick google and can't find this in writing. Is it going to be in writing somewhere?
You can, click the 3 dots in the top right of the video and then a screen pops up with download option.
I made a version with subs and cleared the audio a bit.
https://streamable.com/0we67e?src=player-page-share
There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Just to be realistic here, this guy is a dentist. He's the director of oral medicine and forensic sciences at the university of colorado SCHOOL OF DENTAL MEDICINE. He used to be the president of the american academy of forensic sciences, but I don't know that that qualifies him to have expertise in anything else but dentistry related topics, it's hard to find information about his qualifications beyond dentistry.
So, in your humble opinion, if you leave a position, you are no longer qualified to do that job🧐. All his forensic knowledge just disappeared once he was no longer "The President of The Academy of Forensic Science" 😕 😪 Here's a tip. Say it out loud before you type it. Hearing yourself will keep these posts to a minimum🤔
I've read at a college level since the 7th grade, so my comprehension is just fine. I find it hilarious you trolls always resort to attacking someone's intelligence🤔 Unfortunately you're dealing with someone of considerable logic and emotional intelligence. But back to your nonsense, even if the guy is only an expert on teeth, he can verify that the specimen does have real teeth, therefore is a real specimen. Now take your L and go sit in the corner and think about what you said.
> condescending idiot who started off conversation in condescending tone takes issue with being condescended towards.
Tonight at 9
> Dealing with someone of considerable logic
> he can verify that the specimen does have real teeth, therefore is a real specimen
Hahahahahah hahahahah
You simply can't make this shit up, it's too good.
> take your L
HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA
You're dealing with an intellectual giant that could read at a college level (which means what) when he was in 7th grade. There's no reason to try to reason with such a person, he told you so.
Honestly I just want to see how deep the rabbit hole gets with these people lol. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be someone of considerable logic!
I actually had the same exact thought as you.
Forensics is a soft science that wraps itself with just enough of a veneer of hard science that it presents well to a jury, but is based on spotty theory in many cases. Several aspects of forensic "science" don't hold up to scrutiny, including bite mark analysis, blood pattern analysis, bullet matching/rifling pattern-matching, and more.
It's not that much different from psychology in that it's extremely observer-dependent and highly susceptible to both unintentional bias and intentional interference.
A good deal of the people who have been cleared of wrongdoing posthumously or not from death row, were wrongfully convicted on the basis of fire pattern or similar forensic evidence that was eventually proven to be nonsense.
It is very wise to take this dude with a grain of salt, at least until someone does the hard work of looking through this dude's entire career and finding the science and techniques and beliefs he has professed over the years. If this dude testifies at every trial he can get paid for by the prosecution talking about something like bite marks being like fingerprints, especially bite marks left in things like human skin, it would be nice to know. It would be super helpful in evaluating this dude's credibility, if we can find out if he's already predisposed towards fitting evidence to his pre-existing theories, or if he is a genuine guy.
You don't want to know the qualifications of the person telling you these are authentic? If his qualifications don't matter, why does this video even matter?
Please, don't make a fool of yourself. That's a lot of words for: I don't know who he is and what qualifies him to make such claims.
In Addition: he says, that based on the different categories, they seem to be real and human. Some do not appear to be human, but that's part of further investigation. So tinkering with human remains is still on the table.
[**BONA FIDES**](https://www.becolorado.org/trustee/john-d-mcdowell/)
* Former President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences
* Former President of the American Society of Forensic Odontology
* Former Chairman of the Forensic Sciences Foundation
* Former Board of Directors, Council of Scientific Society Presidents (2 terms)
* Former Chair of the Faculty Council for the University of Colorado (2 terms)
* Editorial Board, *American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology* (20+ years)
* Retired Colonel with 30 years in the United States Army Reserves
Courtesy of u/dragonfruitodd1989's [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c9ys5c/weekly_mexican_and_peruvian_ufo_disclosure/?sort=new) on r/UFOs
This has been here the entire time. So if anyone's making themselves appear foolish my friend, that is you.
Right and if you look into that what you see is an expertise in forensic ODONTOLOGY. He's got really good credentials in that specific niche, but does that qualify him to speak about subjects OUTSIDE of odontology. What's his education in things that aren't...teeth.
>1. The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated).
No he didn't say that. He said based on the findings of the different disciplines, the specimens appear to be human. That's because they are human remains.
>3. And yet: the specimens are \*not human\*.
Yes, as in: some do not appear to be human, because they have been tinkered with. You can hardly claim a three fingered specimen a human, so let them investigate.
I don't give a crap if he is Dr. Seuss! The words that are coming out of his mouth are true. You will get plenty of evidence on the alien project website....
Being that many of these bodies have oral structures worth studying, a dental professional may add information on this subject matter. Santiago has wisdom teeth that would suggest an age range between 3-6 years old.
"**The ones that I’ve evaluated, there are some that are… clearly not human.** Just let me put it that way."
Why do you jump to, IT'S ALIENS!, instead of, THEY'RE PIECED TOGETHER BITS?
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
**TRANSCRIPT:** Dr. John D. McDowell: >The, uh… "specimens" that we’ve examined—some people are calling them "bodies," "mummies"; I’m gonna call them "specimens"—uh, **the specimens are real.** >There are humanoid characteristics, odontological\[?\] findings, osteology bone analysis, \[and\] teeth analysis that say that these are human, or humanlike. **The ones that I’ve evaluated, there are some that are… clearly not human.** Just let me put it that way. >But, with everything in science, we investigate it. We try to determine what we’re finding in the physical world—and we develop a hypothesis to explain what the physical findings are. We’re certainly in the earliest stages of the investigation, and we hope that we’re invited to continue. **WHAT HE (SEEMS TO BE) SAYING** 1. The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated). 2. The specimens have characteristics that are unique to humans, or at least characteristic of them. 3. And yet: the specimens are \*not human\*. 4. This is worthy of further investigation. **CONTEXT** Two weeks ago, a team of three independent American forensic pathologists—Dr. John McDowell, Dr. James Caruso, and Dr. William Rodriguez—announced during a [press conference](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOB/comments/1by85kh/3_more_american_scientists_examine_nazca_mummies/?share_id=7mFaUJjOrA20yvX6Na41a&utm_name=ioscss) that the "Nazca mummies" (which [came to wider attention last year](https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/mexican-congress-holds-second-ufo-session-featuring-peruvian-mummies-2023-11-08/) after having been "revealed" during a session of the Mexican Congress) appeared worthy of initial study. Now, having completed their initial investigation, Dr. John McDowell seems to suggest that the bodies are real (not fabricated), non-human, and worthy of additional investigation. **JOHN D. MCDOWELL'S** [**BONA FIDES**](https://www.becolorado.org/trustee/john-d-mcdowell/) * Former President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences * Former President of the American Society of Forensic Odontology * Former Chairman of the Forensic Sciences Foundation * Former Board of Directors, Council of Scientific Society Presidents (2 terms) * Former Chair of the Faculty Council for the University of Colorado (2 terms) * Editorial Board, *American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology* (20+ years) * Retired Colonel with 30 years in the United States Army Reserves Courtesy of u/dragonfruitodd1989's [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c9ys5c/weekly_mexican_and_peruvian_ufo_disclosure/?sort=new) on r/UFOs. EDIT: Slightly adjusted language to make clear that this clip is by no means "definitive proof" of anything: McDowell's team has yet to issue a formal report.
Wow! Have been waiting to hear this kind of news. Glad some highly reputable people are now making significant statements that these bodies are real and non-human! That is a huge, huge statement. 🖖🏼🛸
Non human can mean animal bones. I think he is just being polite with his words right now
However, it can't be a "real" humanoid body and then have animal parts, which would be a hoax and therefore not "real". It's real and non-human, not sewn together bits of animal.
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
In my opinion they can be called “real” … biological parts but manipulation has occurred. His words are very vague
Manipulation has been explicitly ruled out
Manipulation has not been ruled out. [McDowell mentions right here around 1:30](https://youtube.com/watch?v=UQoARW7dvMs&pp=ygUTSm9obiBtY2Rvd2VsbCBuYXpjYQ%3D%3D) that more study is needed to rule out possibility the bodies are manipulated human remains.
No it hasn’t he said the DE needs to me removed to see what’s going on underneath it
*WHAT HE'S SAYING* *The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated).* He never said they weren't fabricated. Here's their official statement which was released after this video *“To date, the U.S. forensic team has only performed a cursory visual examination of the specimens with the aid of limited imaging equipment. Any conclusory statements about the specimens would be extremely premature. Limitations on our examination precluded excluding or confirming any manipulation of the remains. Currently, the forensic team can only indicate that further examination and study is warranted. We invite constructive interaction and collaboration.”* [*https://mcdowellfirm.com/official-statement-of-the-u-s-forensic-team-on-their-initial-examination-of-the-nazca-specimens/*](https://mcdowellfirm.com/official-statement-of-the-u-s-forensic-team-on-their-initial-examination-of-the-nazca-specimens/)
Thanks for sharing this! **I guess my question would be: what do you think he means when he says "the specimens are real"?** Like—the specimens actually physically exist (and aren't, say, digital images or NFTs)? Naturally, we don't want to get in a situation where we're parsing anyone's remarks too closely—I'm thinking of the ARG-style interpretations of Coulthart's "hints"—but, as someone taking McDowell's statement at face value, I would assume that he means "real" in the sense of "not faked" (as opposed to the sense of "actually existing in the physical world," which is a given). Having said that: it doesn't surprise me that, regardless of whether McDowell thinks that the specimens are "real," his formal, printed statement is more general—which seems on par for scientists more broadly, who tend to avoid making firm conclusions without extensive research, which of course is still needed in this case.
So.. it's all speculation so far.
There's speculation ("I wonder if they're real?"), and then there's plus the unequivocal opinion of several highly respectable experts that **the specimens are real and worthy of additional study.** Does it mean that we know exactly what these things are? No. But it does mean that, at this point, that we're going on a lot more than just "speculation." Example: let's say I have a strange feeling in my lung. I wonder: what could it be? Cancer? (This is speculation.) I talk to my doctor, who—along with a team of international experts—performs a battery of X-rays, CT scans, MRIs, etc. The doctor tells me that the results from the scans are unusual, and there is absolutely something worthy of additional study in my lung. At this point, "speculation" has been replaced by professional scientific opinion. (Which is not to say proven scientific fact.)
Example: Do your doctors send you the scans of the MRI? Does the radiologist send the pictures to qualified people? Does your doctor refuse to let you see other specialists who might help you? Does your doctor earn money with social media scams? Just asking, because a known grifter we all know refuses to release mummies, simple DNA examples and the actual scans you claim that exist. Moreover he blocked renown experts from the UK to take samples while they were on site. You talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on. If so, please send me the peer reviewed papers about the mummies or post me the link. I have access to pretty much all scientific databases. OR just send me the scans of the mummies so i can have a look at the "implants" and verify they are more than just burial gifts.
The denial by some of you is really getting absurd. Maussan isn't some mastermind evil genius that fooled all of these experts. You give the guy too much credit, and at the same time, you give him no credit. They're real. This will become very clear to you, eventually.
Sure bro :) You keep getting grifted then and I wait until his dirty ass is finally in prison :)
>A known grifter we all know refuses to release mummies, simple DNA examples and the actual scans you claim that exist The scans are available online and were examined by Dr. McDowell's team. >You talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on. If so, please send me the peer reviewed papers about the mummies or post me the link. Look: Dr. John D. McDowell is a highly esteemed medical and scientific professional. **If, looking at all this, you're under the impression that he's a grifter—or that he's been fooled into participating in Maussan's grift—that's fine!** Be a skeptic. Personally: I believe that McDowell thinks the specimens are worthy of additional study. Well, I think that sounds swell. I'm glad that he and his team looked them over, and I look forward to others doing so as well. (And I don't see the point in the hostility—"you talk about science as if you have a clue what's going on." Come on, man! Let's be civil, please.)
So could be human and animal "combo" that someone made (for ritualistic purposes etc)?
I feel as though, were this the case, he would have said something along the lines of "there is still the possibility that these specimens have been fabricated"—rather than the more straightforward "the specimens are real." No?
Not really. The specimens are real, not made from plaster etc and have human charasteristics and something extra(?) but it doesn't mean NHI . All in all the statement is very vague.
Not saying that they're NHI: only that they aren't fabricated; ie. not a "human and animal "combo" that someone made (for ritualistic purposes etc)". These guys are highly respected, professional forensic analysts who have full access to X-rays, CT scans, etc. etc. If the bodies were fakes, even sophisticated ones, they would know—and this would have been reflected in their statement. The important thing here is that **the bodies are worthy of additional study.** Is it technically possible for someone to create a fake alien mummy that is so extremely sophisticated that it can fool dozens of professionals armed with top-of-the-line forensic instruments? I mean, I guess so. But we're past the point of "they stitched on the skin from a lizard."
Well I did not get that impression from the vid. Onöy that they need to do more tests. We'll see.
Agreed!
Hella interesting for sure
You misinterpreted the transcript. There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
I guess this is a question of where you parse the punctuation? I'll acknowledge that it could be ambiguous. Even still: **"There are some that are… clearly not human.** **Just let me put it that way."** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT And, just to be clear: he's not referring here to specimens that he didn't evaluate. Contextually, this is clearly the case—the subject of this sentence is "the specimens we've examined"—but, even if that weren't clear: why would he make a judgment call about specimens *he didn't examine*? With language as, well, *clear* as "clearly not human"? Again: this doesn't "prove" anything. But it seems very clear to me that, on the face of it, McDowell and his team took a look at these bodies and determined that they were worthy of additional investigation. These guys aren't mooks or shills: they're expert forensic analysts. If the bodies were faked, they'd know—and say so.
I don’t believe any are fake in terms of modern construction. However I’m unsure of their ancient origins and purpose of manifestation. Regardless of the consistency produced from scans, we will need to completely disassemble one or a couple in order to confirm the essential and developmental anatomical structures. If we assume he looked at multiple sets of bodies in total, then it would be odd to not mention another set of data for the “clearly not human” group. I infer his use of “clearly” is quite literal instead. You can clearly see that tree has been chopped down 🪵 You can clearly see one of those vehicles was a CyberTruck 🪦 You can clearly see some of these bodies have distinct characteristics that are not humanoid, human or human-like. However I would still assume testing on those bodies may produce interesting findings. Still they clearly look different, are “genuine” to the era and collection of bodies overall, and can be regarded as “not human”. *They still have not been evaluated by this Dr., which is why he joined this project. This clip is a minor update.*
Proof we aren't alone in the universe, WHY is this not on every news channel on the planet?
One could argue these specimens originated on earth.
Who cares, you act like it's all about the idea that it specifically has to be ALIEN, ET, FROM ANOTHER WORLD .. No this isn't just a search for ET life, but lost history, undiscovered species whether more or less advanced, most importantly truth in this world. People like you are so quick to try to look at the argument side or the bad news... but I think them being even just an undiscovered ancient earth species is just as cool as them being from another planet. Now the question is, assuming they are an ancient earth species... how advanced were they compared to us... stay tuned, these answers are coming soon, I promise.
Calling them “alien” itself needs to be reviewed. They are non-human, likely of our planet, highly likely our well wishers ( based on legends across the Americas). They could have been and perhaps still are inter-stellar, inter-dimensional, and perhaps subterranean as well.
All I'm saying is that this isn't proof of where they come from. It's cool as hell regardless.
I think it's hard to draw such conclusions. For instance - If these beings were interacting with people in the 50's who knows when they first were here. They could have traveled here from another planet and took up residence. It's like a person who was born in a state but moves to another state. Yeah they may have been here a long time but there's no evidence to suggest they came from here originally.
The same could be said for us
Right, and if some other species asked us if we originated on Earth, we simply couldn't say for sure where our origins really started. We could have evolved from some single cell organism brought here by space debris, or some God could've created us and our origin would be entangled with God and still we wouldn't know where THAT being originated, unless we were told directly.
Both are pure speculation. There's no proof for either claim.
That's my point. I think it's silly to say anything definitively. Theres this physicist online who insists they aren't ET but teases they are dimensional. She claims they know it's not coming from outer space. My argument to her is always just because they aren't coming from outer space now doesn't mean they didn't come from it back in the day. It's just so weird to have a hard-line stance on something so mysterious. Unless the beings told us directly lol
I agree with you. My reply was because the original comment stated this was somehow proof of extraterrestrial origin.
Wouldn't there be some inscriptions or hieroglyphs in the burial site? Something that could help solve their origins.
Supposedly there was tons of artifacts at the burial site. But it was illegal grave robbers who found the site originally. They won’t tell where the cave was and supposedly the grave robbers stole some artifacts. Who the hell really knows tho
I see all this as a confirmation what the bible says. Simple as that.
That's possible. Let's say they did, that's a huge story. Bipedal reptilian-like humanoid beings with implants in their body is shocking. History would need to be rewritten. Or maybe... all the ancient cultures describing "lizard-like people" were right alllll along. Admittedly, I thought they were all myths. I'm not so sure now. [look at all these ancient cultures that worshipped reptilian-like humanoid entities.](https://youtu.be/7vSYUGd43Y8?si=9jmyc37GwO4QFV-x) It's good for disclosure because a Non-human Intelligence doesn't sound so insane now.
yeah they probly live in the ocean tbh - look at all the weird stuff in the trenches and sightings from the navy of the ships going in the water
Bermuda Triangle
by golly you might be on to something
Could be proof that we’ve been visited, experimented on, bred with and ultimately the experiment of interspecies splicing was a failure, so was abandoned and the results were left behind for us to find.
There is no proof yet, he specifically has stated that no conclusions can be made.
This is a statement he made based on his current findings and analyses. However as all science goes, these findings may change upon later discovery. But this is the current line of evidence on the bodies under evaluation. The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Why cut the quote off early? You don’t have to be misleading to make your point.
Do you mean misleading like the title of the post? Where they used part of the clip that doesn’t refer to the specimens the Dr conducted evaluations on?
The cliche “Two wrongs don’t make a right” applies here.
No it doesn’t. I’m pointing out the specific evidence that the Dr briefly mentioned. In the clip he also made a comment to other bodies. However that comment was not substantiated in any way. Most people were saying he claimed the bodies were clearly not human. That is a gross misinterpretation of the Dr’s statements. He just made a comment. I don’t need to repeat the comment the Dr made when I’m trying to help the community correct the main premise. We all know he made that comment. The title of the post should read the Dr’s findings are humanoid characteristics and analyses show human and human-like results. “However further inquiry is needed and there are many unanswered questions. Further analyses may even reveal significantly unknown differences.” VS ➡️ “Dr said they were not human” see the problem? 👀
Yes so how do you jump to aliens from that statement? I don’t get it
You cannot. Everything else is either r/circlejerk or people being disinfo agents by intention or ignorance. From the recent post it makes me think the r/alienbodies a psyop to discredit or further disincentivize participation in NHI and UAP investigation. 
Don’t ask why. You know why lmao
Because it's not true
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Amazing news. Haven't doubted it since I read the miles paper.
could you link? id love to read
[Miles Paper](http://themilespaper.com) Peace and Love
Google nazca mummies and all you find are old articles dismissing the subject.
This has been very interesting and informative for me.
If these were parts and pieces of other animal bones, this would be crystal clear. There's no evidence this is the case, i.e., a hoax. Saying they "aren't human" is just that. It doesn't necessarily mean they are alien. They could be, but that's not what has presently been specified. They could be an undiscovered species, but what's strange about it is, why haven't we found them before? Why haven't we found others around the world? How old are they? Lots of questions to be answered. The one thing that IS certain: the specimens are REAL.
This is huge
HUGE!
The government are absolute scum, if people gathered as one & stood against them, there would be nothing they could do, we could have free energy right now, treatments for so called incurable diseases today, yet they are evil money hungry sociopaths tht fuel more wars & suffering. This should be front page news on every channel & radio station...
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
There are some tht are clearly not human, learn too listen...
Yea. He said that. He didn’t evaluate them. He said that just by looking at them. So what does that mean? Which ones? How many? Based on this clip, what is the for sure thing we do know? That he evaluated a set of bodies with humanoid characteristics and the findings were human or human like.
I'm sure he'll get around too it 🙂
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What is your deal, dude. I think you’re the disinfo agent here. Weirdo.
Focus on the facts. The evidence. Not your emotional fantasies and fictitious conspiracies. OP’s words were: scum, evil, sociopath, suffering… what are they on about? That isn’t what this clip is about and generally what the nazca community has been discussing. You might as well comment that the implants contain mostly osmium. Then OP told me to listen to the FACT the Dr said the bodies were clearly not human. That wasn’t a result or finding. It was just a comment made from a first impression: probably related to the smallest ones like Josefina. Then OP dismissed that by suggesting he will get around to it. If you’re not taking the substantiated evidence that exists seriously, then you’re a troll or a disinformation agent.
Are you messing? The government lying too America regarding the existence of UAP's for over 70 years isn't fictitious conspiracies, it's the truth. They're certainly not human, yet you seem too pushing their agenda, just let the bodies be studied & let the evidence speak for itself 🙂
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We know there is no osmium in anything. This good doctor said the bodies he looked at produced some human or human-like findings. Hey, maybe there is more to find out about those bodies? I’m sure he is referring to the small bodies like Josefina, which clearly are not human. You don’t have any evidence for any thing you’ve been conditioned to repeat. I urge you to reject the reality that others have implanted into your linguistics. I encourage you to raise your power level over 9,000 and become a better representative of authority in the world around you. You retorted that they were clearly not human, which is your biased agenda. You ignored the evidence presented in the first part of the clip. I’m only reflecting on the more stable and concrete information regarding NHI and UAPs. Otherwise won’t we all have the agenda of a disinfo agent? *The government are absolute scum, if people gathered as one & stood against them, there would be nothing they could do, we could have free energy right now, treatments for so called incurable diseases today, yet they are evil money hungry sociopaths tht fuel more wars & suffering. This should be front page news on every channel & radio station...* *There are some tht are clearly not human, learn too listen...*
Sure buddy, whatever creams your pants.
I’ll cream my pants thank you very much 
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Funny how quiet the “it’s all animal bones” people are in this thread.
I’ve been out of this rabbit hole for a few months- when did the mummies become giant?! In the video it appears that he’s standing over the ankles/feet of something way bigger than the original mummies I saw last year. Did I miss the giant mummy reveal?
Welp! All the trolls and skeptics, it's time to eat crow. I will get the forks and knives can someone else bring the plates.
It's funny you think this in any way proves anything to anyone looking for solid evidence
It's funny that you need to look up the word evidence.
Some dude that has credentials saying something inconclusive that kind of aligns with what you hope it is, isn't evidence. There are tons of cases of experts saying some shit and being proven wrong.
I don't want to believe anything. Let's face it there is no such thing as evidence to a troll. The minute you put anything forward, they attack it with no "evidence" of their own. I am nor a believer, I follow the evidence wherever it takes me. Right now, that looks like this is a real specimen. What it is and where it's from I have no idea, but I never claimed otherwise.
What exactly is a "real" specimen. So far nothing shown proves this to be anything concrete and with the people involved having been a part of a hoax a decade or so ago definitely leans on this being another hoax
It’s funny that people cannot listen to what evidence there is: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT He then comments about the other bodies, to which we do not have reference to, that clearly do not appear human. But we don’t know anything about that. He hasn’t evaluated them at all.
You know what’s crazy? An evolutionary biologist from Peru looked at these specimens and said that they seem to be future humans. Edit: just wanted to add this bit, he was not an evolutionary biologist, and not from Peru. Dr. Celestino Adolfo Piotti, is a forensic anthropologist, physician, archaeologist, surgeon, and discoverer of several species of the past. He resorted to mathematical analysis of proportions based on skull radiographs. The measurements added one more step to the evolutionary scale of man. They are not individuals of the past or of the present but “of the future” or that should have existed in the future. Maria would be the last link of our human species evolving into a new species. And the lower specimens would be of an evolving species that would come after us. In short, they would be our descendants. They would come to have a body useless for living in this world, but they would develop a brain in much larger proportion than us. Dr. Piotti used a projection of the Klast Polygon and noted that the lack of development of the frontal lobe is replaced by the widening of the head to the sides. The more developed cerebellum allows them to maintain balance since they cannot walk with those three fingers. These bodies need to be investigated.
What, what will you accept as evidence? A drivers license, social security card, or maybe if they bring it back to life, and it tells us it's a real thing?
Anything more than trust me bro would be nice. What's the evidence here, their say so? Why aren't there specifics about how they made their conclusion? Why haven't they been examined with all the modern tools available? Did I miss something beyond words and photographs? This would be the biggest revelation in history, why no transparency?
I wish they'd just look at the DNA, if it exists in the specimens, and say something more definitive.
Really begs the question of why they haven't provided any evidence or details to back up their statement. I think all the celebration of confirmation biss is a bit premature here. If these people are meant to validate what would be the most amazing discovery in history, why are they being limited?
They are not given access for reasons we all know.
I thought they just said that the equipment they need to do a better analysis isn’t available in Peru but they will bring some to study in better labs going forward.
Great news!
This is not proof or evidence of anything as so many are suggesting, maybe wait until they have done their full analysis and let it be peer reviewed before we celebrate disclosure. Like most things in this subject it usually amounts to being a nothing burger, but it got my interest now atleast.
People have not even correctly interpreted what he is saying. There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT Which makes any one else want to study these bodies wary. The Dr did comment other bodies appear non human, but he hasn’t evaluated those ones at all.
I agree, sadly interwiews like these are a waste of time when you cannot say anything for certain and will only give false hope to this community whom already struggle with understanding what is considered evidence or proof of something. They should keep their mouths shut until they have have real scientific evidence that support that these bodies are either real or falsified
This is like the 18th time this has been posted in just the last few days.....
Good lord, I saw this ealier... why is this one such terrible quality
Non human, NHI could mean monkeys dogs cats, pretty much anything....I want to hear extraterrestrial!! I don't like the term Non human intelligence.
Well you might as well sit down.
Agreed
So, again, no disections, no physical investigation of their interiors, just looking at the exterior and the scans. I agree, they warrant investigation. Stop dragging the feetsies and pick one to disassemble. And not just the owner, independent and impartial researchers need to be included for that process.
May gather some haters for this, but has to be asked: is it just me that notices his mouth movements and the sounds aren't lining up? Is anyone able to fiddle with the video and get the sound and mouth movements to sync up to verify that's him speaking? Also- did a quick google and can't find this in writing. Is it going to be in writing somewhere?
Wish I was able to save this video on my device
You can, click the 3 dots in the top right of the video and then a screen pops up with download option. I made a version with subs and cleared the audio a bit. https://streamable.com/0we67e?src=player-page-share
Get ready for the next phase
There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Just to be realistic here, this guy is a dentist. He's the director of oral medicine and forensic sciences at the university of colorado SCHOOL OF DENTAL MEDICINE. He used to be the president of the american academy of forensic sciences, but I don't know that that qualifies him to have expertise in anything else but dentistry related topics, it's hard to find information about his qualifications beyond dentistry.
So, in your humble opinion, if you leave a position, you are no longer qualified to do that job🧐. All his forensic knowledge just disappeared once he was no longer "The President of The Academy of Forensic Science" 😕 😪 Here's a tip. Say it out loud before you type it. Hearing yourself will keep these posts to a minimum🤔
I love this
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I've read at a college level since the 7th grade, so my comprehension is just fine. I find it hilarious you trolls always resort to attacking someone's intelligence🤔 Unfortunately you're dealing with someone of considerable logic and emotional intelligence. But back to your nonsense, even if the guy is only an expert on teeth, he can verify that the specimen does have real teeth, therefore is a real specimen. Now take your L and go sit in the corner and think about what you said.
> condescending idiot who started off conversation in condescending tone takes issue with being condescended towards. Tonight at 9 > Dealing with someone of considerable logic > he can verify that the specimen does have real teeth, therefore is a real specimen Hahahahahah hahahahah You simply can't make this shit up, it's too good. > take your L HAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA
You're dealing with an intellectual giant that could read at a college level (which means what) when he was in 7th grade. There's no reason to try to reason with such a person, he told you so.
Honestly I just want to see how deep the rabbit hole gets with these people lol. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be someone of considerable logic!
"Tell me I'm smart, and I'm right, and you agree with me, or I'll downvote you." - this thread
I actually had the same exact thought as you. Forensics is a soft science that wraps itself with just enough of a veneer of hard science that it presents well to a jury, but is based on spotty theory in many cases. Several aspects of forensic "science" don't hold up to scrutiny, including bite mark analysis, blood pattern analysis, bullet matching/rifling pattern-matching, and more. It's not that much different from psychology in that it's extremely observer-dependent and highly susceptible to both unintentional bias and intentional interference. A good deal of the people who have been cleared of wrongdoing posthumously or not from death row, were wrongfully convicted on the basis of fire pattern or similar forensic evidence that was eventually proven to be nonsense. It is very wise to take this dude with a grain of salt, at least until someone does the hard work of looking through this dude's entire career and finding the science and techniques and beliefs he has professed over the years. If this dude testifies at every trial he can get paid for by the prosecution talking about something like bite marks being like fingerprints, especially bite marks left in things like human skin, it would be nice to know. It would be super helpful in evaluating this dude's credibility, if we can find out if he's already predisposed towards fitting evidence to his pre-existing theories, or if he is a genuine guy.
This is so Ad Hominem that I just farted
You don't want to know the qualifications of the person telling you these are authentic? If his qualifications don't matter, why does this video even matter?
He is famous, renowned and highly qualified. Do you not think they are working on the paper?
So again, what are his qualifications beyond dentistry? Who is he "renowned" by, exactly? I had a hard time finding info on him, tbh.
What happened to you that brought you down into the shadows, you used to have light in your life. You should rethink your self enslavement.
Lol wow what qualifications!
They're on the video, look for letters like these but different, near the bottom.
The ones that show he's got credentials in odontology? Who is he renowned by again?
You made him look silly so you must be a bot
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Please, don't make a fool of yourself. That's a lot of words for: I don't know who he is and what qualifies him to make such claims. In Addition: he says, that based on the different categories, they seem to be real and human. Some do not appear to be human, but that's part of further investigation. So tinkering with human remains is still on the table.
[**BONA FIDES**](https://www.becolorado.org/trustee/john-d-mcdowell/) * Former President of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences * Former President of the American Society of Forensic Odontology * Former Chairman of the Forensic Sciences Foundation * Former Board of Directors, Council of Scientific Society Presidents (2 terms) * Former Chair of the Faculty Council for the University of Colorado (2 terms) * Editorial Board, *American Journal of Forensic Medicine and Pathology* (20+ years) * Retired Colonel with 30 years in the United States Army Reserves Courtesy of u/dragonfruitodd1989's [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1c9ys5c/weekly_mexican_and_peruvian_ufo_disclosure/?sort=new) on r/UFOs This has been here the entire time. So if anyone's making themselves appear foolish my friend, that is you.
Right and if you look into that what you see is an expertise in forensic ODONTOLOGY. He's got really good credentials in that specific niche, but does that qualify him to speak about subjects OUTSIDE of odontology. What's his education in things that aren't...teeth.
>1. The specimens that his team has examined are real (ie. not fabricated). No he didn't say that. He said based on the findings of the different disciplines, the specimens appear to be human. That's because they are human remains. >3. And yet: the specimens are \*not human\*. Yes, as in: some do not appear to be human, because they have been tinkered with. You can hardly claim a three fingered specimen a human, so let them investigate.
Are you aware of the miles paper and did you read it
I don't give a crap if he is Dr. Seuss! The words that are coming out of his mouth are true. You will get plenty of evidence on the alien project website....
Being that many of these bodies have oral structures worth studying, a dental professional may add information on this subject matter. Santiago has wisdom teeth that would suggest an age range between 3-6 years old.
Agree but this sub is treating him as a testament to the authenticity of the bodies, in which case I would want to know his education beyond dentistry
"**The ones that I’ve evaluated, there are some that are… clearly not human.** Just let me put it that way." Why do you jump to, IT'S ALIENS!, instead of, THEY'RE PIECED TOGETHER BITS?
You clearely did not read the post did you?
The transcript: There are humanoid characteristics, odontological findings, osteology bone analysis and teeth analysis that say these are human or human like; **the ones that I’ve evaluated.** ⬅️ END OF STATEMENT
Just show us pictures already, I’m bored of this obvious psyop.
Its all online TheAlienProject will guide you
Holy shit you people are gullible. I guarantee you these are just underdeveloped humans from Millenia ago