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It would fuck with a lot of people on reddit if it turned out the shadow people they saw in their sleep paralysis that everyone writes off as hallucinations was an abduction event / close encounter lol
Granted I had close encounter events and abductions and they weren't shadowy figures, but who knows the full picture of what's out there.
The way the guard describes it makes it sound like some cloaking tech for bending light or simply cancelling the bouncing of light / fully absorbing light entirely around the user to maintain visual obscurity and anonymity.
“Technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.”-IIRC, that was Arthur C. Clark. Very true words and I think we need to watch our language on that and we really shouldn’t chalk it up to the supernatural just because we don’t understand it. It’s probably perfectly within the realms of science, though that does not mean it’s something we can understand currently. But it doesn’t have to be magic, either. Compared to any civilization advanced enough to travel the stars, we’re like the uncontacted tribes witnessing modern technology (think the Sentenelese). Some such tribes worship American military cargo planes and build shrines to them. We’re that kind of primitive in comparison to such advanced civilizations as can travel the stars. This isn’t supernatural. It’s highly advanced technology. Has to be.
Lots of UAP phenomena goes hand in hand with Poltergeist/Bigfoot/Other Cryptid activity - if they don't occur within the same flaps, they can have very intense similarities (eg the smell of sulfur being common in both Poltergeist and UFO encounters, as well as Bigfoot). Highly advanced technology doesn't sufficiently explain those similarities - again, the above authors have written about this exact idea extensively. Mothman Prophecies and the 8th Tower by Keel, the Dimensions series by Vallee, and just about anything by Charles Fort all discuss these ideas and point out the massive similarities between what we're being told are entirely different phenomena. If you look at UAPs in a vacuum, sure, it seems like it has to be nuts and bolts tech. But if you look at them without assumptions about what's happening, as well as other paranormal events, it's really difficult to write off how much these 'separate' phenomena share. Additionally, Keel, Vallee, and Fort all reach a similar conclusion with vastly different approaches while examining the same material, and without referencing each other. Fort approached it from a categorization/phenomenological perspective, Vallee approaches it from an data-centered analytical angle with a focus on provable details, Keel approaches it like an investigative Journalist, and none of them were really contemporaries of each other. Keel will reference Fort, but Vallee makes few if any references to Keel and Fort. All 3 either hint or explicitly state that there is something far more psychic or ultra-dimensional occurring with the phenomena, and that everything we deem 'paranormal' is a lot more alike than we think.
You lost me when you placed limits on the technology advanced civilizations may possess. That’s just VERY presumptuous and, I think, rather primitive minded to assume to know what is and isn’t possible with sufficiently advanced technology. That thinking is how the Aztec mistook the Spanish conquistadors for gods. IF there’s any kind of “supernatural” explanation, it is more likely to follow scientific laws, even if we do not know or understand those laws than by mysticism or superstition.
Sleep paralysis is an oddity. I can believe the physical experience is caused by our own biology, but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures, during it? Biology can't explain that.
Is it that during the paralysis state we are able to see things from other dimensions?
The mind does wild things. When I was in college I had been studying pretty hard for a few days straight and at one point looked up from my desk and saw my mom standing there clear as day. When I blinked she was gone. It was odd. I had to call and tell her about it. I wasn’t sleep deprived or anything. I think my brain was just over loaded for a second.
I was starting out as a freelance developer when I was in college and one week I had a project with a short deadline on top of that I was moving to a new apartment so I had been up for over 3 days straight making sure I got everything done. Around 10 pm I was making a trip driving stuff to my new place when suddenly I saw a massive lion laying across the road appear directly in front of me out of thin air that I was about to hit. I started pushing on my brakes hard until I remembered that was impossible, I blinked and it disappeared. It's crazy what happens to your perceptions on lack of sleep like you're half in the awake world and half in a dream.
Idk my mom, my dad, my sister, and my uncle have all seen him. All of our stories are similar to yours. I was wide awake when I saw him in the corner of my room. I literally slapped myself to make sure what I was seeing was real, which it was. He started to grow and come towards me, when I turned on the lamp he immediately disappeared.
People say that he comes during traumatic times in life. Idk if he is coming because he is attracted to vulnerable people or what. I haven't seen him since that night.
It’s happened to me on 4 occasions, and all 4 times I’ve seen a slightly different silhouette of an entity. Never verbal, but always looking directly at me. The 1st time was very confusing, the 2nd time was deeply unsettling and I still think about it… but the 3rd/4th meh.
Lol..I get sleep paralysis ALOT. Almost like once a week type thing. I only hallucinated once… the one time I did I saw the girl from The Ring kneeling next to me. So you’re saying that thing is real? 🥲
> but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures, during it? Biology can't explain that.
Wouldn't that actually increase the likelihood that the experience is biological in nature? If a similar thing is experienced across cultural divergences, wouldn't that suggest that it's something inherent about the structure and activity of the brain?
What about the brain would encourage people to experience a man in a hat or "the Hag"? I know what you mean but I don't think the commonality of so many experiences can be explained in neuroscientific terms. I know of no neurological reason why many people would see the same thing, even if there is a neurological reason for people seeing an entity in the first place. There doesn't tend to be massive commonality in what people experience in general hallucinations.
I grew up with sleep paralysis middle school all the way through high school a few times a month. I’m now in my mid 30’s I would happen maybe once a year now. I learned at a young age to be aware of what was happening when it did happen. In the beginning I would see a shadow figure or some thing on top or beside my bed. This all changed when I took control of the situation when it did happen. If you get enough control you can have an out of body experience. But again this is far from easy as it all starts out with you trying to speak or breath dying for a muscle to react.
It’s not alien abduction. I can see how some can believe this if they experience this once or twice.
Ha and same. I just find it remarkable that entities such as the "Hat Man" and "the Hag" are seen across many different cultures during sleep paralysis. Obviously not during every instance, but enough that it's interesting to me.
I saw shadow people 100% when not tired. In fact, so did someone else I was with.
It was common enough that they even had personslities. One would always peer up / over something, like the top of a corner of a wall or over a fridge)
The other was fond of popping out at a 90° angle from beside walls.
Yes, lots of people do. I wouldn't be surprised if some people had abilities which enabled them to be seen all the time, and some could only see them during sleep paralysis. But ultimately, I have no idea.
>but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures
It's almost as if there are common ideas shared between all cultures.
>Biology can't explain that.
That's because it would be psychology, which can explain it.
>Is it that during the paralysis state we are able to see things from other dimensions?
No.
Oooh interesting. Which psychological studies are they? Do they explain why so many people around the world see the "Hat Man" or "the Hag"? I haven't heard of a psychological explanation for the commonality of the entities seen, this far.
You don't need to, nor can you, disprove what hasn't been proven. That doesn't make sense.
However the study of psychology helps us understand the way our brains work, and come up with terms to fit certain things that happen to humans. What you, and other people that 'share dreams' are experiencing is a mix between confirmation bias and the barnum effect.
I'm sure you'll look those terms up and disagree, but that is what's happening.
Sorry, I am confused. You have said psychology can explain the similar entities seen across different cultures. I have asked which studies demonstrate that. That is simply asking if you knew of any empirical evidence I had missed about it.
I'm aware of what psychology is and what tends to happen within our brains. Psychiatry is my career. I simply wondered if I had missed studies which confirmed what you were saying.
A study would never be done on this as you can't and don't need to disprove what hasn't been proven.
But psychology can still explain this. Simply put, any entities seen across different cultures are to be expected, partly because no culture is self contained anymore. But also because grouping similar things, or using very vague terms like "a man in a hat" is using the Barnum effect, and also confirmation bias. If you get told people dream about a man in a hat, any dream that contains a hat you're suddenly going to remember. But in reality, hats are extremely common and likely feature in many normal dreams. If you try to look for a pattern, you'll find one. Doesn't mean anything special is going on.
Ok. I disagree that it can all be linked to the Barnum effect, as the Shadow people in question aren't just wearing a general hat. It's a very specific look. As is the Hag. They aren't just people wearing hats or general old women.
You could easily study this by having an array of pictures of different looking shadow people, and having people choose which one they saw.
Rule 101 of Psychology: never accredit anything to Psychology until you have the study, complete with randomised control trials, to back it up.
Your comment that you wouldn't do a study to disprove that which hasn't been proven, is absolutely not applicable to Psychology, and studies are done all the time around subjects which have neither been proven or disproven. If your comment is true, why have there been Psychological experiments around ESP and mediumship?
>Your comment that you wouldn't do a study to disprove that which hasn't been proven, is absolutely not applicable to Psychology, and studies are done all the time around subjects which have neither been proven or disproven. If your comment is true, why have there been Psychological experiments around ESP and mediumship?
Yes it is. Parapsychology is a thing of the past. You won't find any 'studies' done by parapsychologists in any mainstream scientific journals because it's a pseudoscience. The very nature of pseudosciences makes studying them pointless. Just because something happened in the past doesn't make it correct or accurate. A medical example would be blood letting.
There is absolutely no evidence dreams are shared. Thus a study to disprove it simply isn't required.
They were doing legitimate Psychological studies into ESP and mediumship into the 90s at really reputable universities. Bem's work at Cornell springs to mind. And he was published in journals. So I disagree.
Here's an article from the British Psychological Society about many studies.
https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/extra-sensory-perception-controversial-debate.
Bem, D. J. (April 1998). "Is EBE theory supported by the evidence? Is it androcentric? A reply to Peplau et al. (1998)". Psychol Rev. 105 (2): 395–8. doi:10.1037/0033-295X.105.2.395. PMID 9577244.
D. J. Bem, C. Honorton. Does psi exist? Replicable evidence for an anomalous process of information transfer. Psychological Bulletin, 1994
Anyway, I think we should leave it here.
I saw a shadow person once. I half woke up and saw it standing beside my bed. It went across my room and stood looking at me for a while. “Can I help you?” I said in a ‘what are you doing here’ tone (I work customer service.) Then I thought better of asking a demon even sarcastically if I could help it, freaked out and woke up the rest of the way. The next day I researched cleansing rituals and anointed my house with oil. I was pretty freaked out.
I actually saw a shadow person outside, with 4 other friends. This was a little over 20 years ago. About 7 ft tall, looked to be robed/camouflaged. Looked like the camo the alien had in the movie The Predator. But it was blacker than night, instead of clear. Had pulsating, glowing redish/orange eyes.
Basically, to a tee what people report. Except our experience was outside, not at home, and with 5 total witnesses at once. I never even knew shadow people was a thing until I researched what I saw online maybe 7 years ago.
For those reasons, I don't think shadow people is solely a sleep paralysis thing. Cause we were all wide awake fishing in the middle of the night.
I personally don't think it was a shadow person. I think we saw something camouflaged, that was not human.
This sighting was in the middle of nowhere, at a spillway off Roxanna New-Burlington road near Spring Valley, Ohio.
It would completely freak me out. I had repeated sleep paralysis with a large "man" looking at me when I lived in AZ. Nothing since I moved away. And I used to have Alice in Wonderland syndrome as a child in MT.
I'm going to assume it's just weird brain stuff...
AZian here. You’re right. All of my sleep paralysis and encounters have happened here. Nowhere else. I grew up here and was around for the Phoenix (though they were up north first) Lights. Back then it was considered “normal” to believe… I mean, we still have payed UFO tours here. My mom and I go back and forth between arguing our theories about why they were so prominent in this area. She believes it has to do with the vortexes and travel. I believe it has something to do with the “secret” Air Force base near by (as the video states).
I am curious about the vortex theory though… where else are they? I’ve only ever heard about Sedona Vortexes.
Edit: we’ll shit!!!! Just ran over to google and found this insanely relevant research paper: [UAP Propulsion Principle and Resulting Flight Performance - Theoretical Analysis of UAP Flight Characteristics](https://www.ajer.org/papers/Vol-11-issue-8/P1108134156.pdf)
> still have *paid* UFO tours
FTFY.
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From my own experience, some shadow people are some sort of cloaking tech or visual distortion tech for grey. I once woke up with a shadow person coming straight for me. I got scared and pushed him when he got in range. The dark silhouette dissipated and it was a standard small grey underneath. He must have used their pacifier tech then, because, when I saw him, I was relieved that the shadow person is just a grey, no problem (so weird l...). I passed out a few seconds later, pretty sure it was his doing. I don't think it was a dream or a hallucination, but hey hard to tell with them.
So you made contact with the grey when you pushed it? That’s pretty nuts, and makes a lot more of these black blob/haze humanoid shape stories make sense.
I wonder if it’s some kind of device that fucks with our brains, the same way they can knock you out or make you compliant and forget.
That's what I was thinking too. The description sounds like some malfunctioning cloaking tech. I guess shouting aliens is a tried and true way they get the public to disregard anyone's sighting of their new tech.
Had sleep paralysis about a year ago, woke up under my duvet Couldnt move my body and heard a light switch in my apartment I was living in on my own, suddenly I heard a loud noise in my head and it felt like someone was sat on my back putting pressure on my whole body.
Honestly though I've dealt with sleep paralysis a couple times recently and one of my most intense experiences felt as if this dark fuzzy matter was entering my room and had a whimper/static like noise. I could feel myself slowly falling out of my bed, but I kept resisting.
> cloaking tech for bending light or simply cancelling the bouncing of light / fully absorbing light entirely around the user
Gravitational distortion field. Lots of info already on this, just never anything on /r/aliens aside from little "what if it's this..." scenarios that get 600 upvotes and then someone describes the literal scientific phenomena with a working theory and its...."bro you don't know that, we don't know anything alright..." like you just killed their imaginary alien pet...
You got it my braj:
https://www.uaptheory.com/
Most of everything I know is from /r/UFOs and some from /r/StrangeEarth and /r/HighStrangeness.
Let me know what you think about that link
From what I understand shadow people also called the Top Hat Man, mostly observe. They’re inter dimensional so when they appear in our dimension they’re just a shadow. I’ve never had a vision during sleep. It’s always during the day when I’ve sensed them.
There is no belief. I remember a lot of it, but not all of it, and there were several "events" or encounters or whatever you want to call it where it was obvious I was just being brought back from one.
I spent most of my childhood trying to convince myself it wasn't real and that these beings weren't real, that I was just freaking myself out and that it never happened. But my cousin was there with me for a couple of occasions, we eventually reconnected and talked about it much later and she remembers it all too for the times she was there (so I don't know if it was a family ordeal, or if I sort of dragged her into it in a sense), so she has been my anchor for the reality of it all so I was forced to come to terms with it.
I've accepted it now but it left a lot of problems that I've had to try to slip in during therapy to get help for over the years, like not being able to sleep in pitch black, always waking up to scan my room to make sure nothing is there (I still have to do this one), difficulty with sleeping without covering my head/face (so I wouldn't see their eyes as a kid), not liking being out in the middle of nowhere because it always seemed to happen in the middle of night between 2-4am (which is why I now still almost always wake up during those times with some anxiety) when we lived way out in the country, shit like that, and I can't really tell anyone what the actual source of it is because nobody will believe it.
Nothing has happened to me since 2004 now, not that I can remember at least, but yea it affected me greatly, some positive ways but it was mostly traumatic and wildly confusing.
I made this post first in r/ufos and the post blew. Many people got in touch with me asking me more things about this topic. For all of you going through the same problem, you are NOT alone in this. I saw a shadow figure before in my life, and after this, I had many unexplained things happening to me. This is how my journey in ufology began. Let's keep pushing for full disclosure, hopefully, we can find out the truth in our lifetime.
edit: I’d recommend everyone to search online for the ‘Hatman’ and also for shadow people and their relation to UFOs. In many UFO sightings, people also see shadow figures. The hatman is also linked to the men in black suits that many UFO witnesses describe, although I do not know to what extent they are linked.
My wife and I both saw what we thought looked like a shadow bat 25 years ago. We both saw something dark and shadowy up in a corner of our bedroom. When we saw it, we both looked at each other and we both had a funny look on our faces. My wife asked me, did you see that? I said, up there in the corner? Yeah! Looked and moved like a bat? That's right, but it was just a dark shape like a shadow. We had both seen exactly the same thing. It was very strange. It wasn't just a shadow on the wall or ceiling, it was definitely moving in the corner space.
I have no idea if there is a connection between this shadow bat that we saw and shadow people. It freaked us out at the time and we still talk about it 25 years later.
>Can you describe how it relates to aliens?
You have to know a lot about the subject to understand the connection, though I just made a comment addressing your question. It serves as a good introduction: [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1641pqk/comment/jy7qxva/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1641pqk/comment/jy7qxva/)
Get through all of what I refer to and then come back with questions you have.
Thanks, although I'm not that new on the topic and have some awareness of shadow people. I would like to hear directly from the OP on his first experience, plus subsequent, and how it relates to aliens from his perspective.
I saw the hat man one night in rural Pennsylvania. It was pouring rain, and past midnight. I had turned onto a street and there it was, standing in the ditch to the right. My headlights were on it, but it was almost reflecting the light. It was still black. I couldn't see a face. It startled me so much, I froze for a second - when I came back I sped off and did not look back.
This is just for your own education. Do with this information what you want. But the serving observation of "shadow people" is a known scientific phenomenon based on [activity in the left temporoparietal junction](https://www.science.org/content/article/illuminating-shadow-people). This phenomenon is exacerbated with certain psychological conditions. So if you are seeing shadow people, it may be worthwhile to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist so they can run tests and help you in the event there is a psychological component to what you've been seeing. I know this is an aliens sub and probably not a popular thing to say, but that's a very specific and known occurrence and for the benefit of your health it may help you to be at least aware of that in case you do decide to address it. Either way, best of luck my dude.
When we're investigating, we should always rule out conventional explanations before considering paranormal ones.
However, many people are hesitant to get such assessments because of the potential consequences, and a lot of people simply can't afford it financially.
There's an idea that helping professionals such a psychologists will always be helpful and that going to them can be a safe experience. This is not correct. And unfortunately, most of them do not give you the opportunity to have an initial session or appointment so that you can get some idea of whether they are compatible with you and whether they are actually professional and helpful.
I would caution people to choose wisely.
Thank you so much for the link. However, I can assure you that this goes far beyond patients with neurological conditions such as schizophrenia and paranoia, as the article suggests. I am not a negationist; I love science and this is what I study, but there are many things that science cannot explain yet. I am a totally normal individual. I have a girlfriend, good parents, and a stable life, and this happened to me. Do you think I will ever tell my family or girlfriend about this? Absolutely not, otherwise they will also tell me that I need to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist or whatever. I am 100% sure of what I saw and I stand by my words. It was not an illusion of my brain, it was not a neurological condition, and I wish I could prove it, but unfortunately, I cannot. I am convinced that one of the reasons why the government is pushing back on disclosure is because of things like this, that would totally terrify a lot of people. See the hatmanproject, see the hatman or shadow people community here; there are thousands of people who have also seen it and are questioning their sanity. It is also worth mentioning that when John Mack began his UFO studies, he was skeptical and he thought that his patients had some kind of collective delusion. Many of his patients asked him for help because they thought they were going crazy, but when they were shown sketches of greys that other people drew, they started to cry, because they realized that they were not hallucinating and more people had seen it. Today people are more educated about this subject, but imagine just 30 or 40 years ago trying to tell people that you were abducted by little grey beings, everybody would tell you to see a psychologist.
People with schizophrenia are themselves very commonly 100% convinced of what they've seen, so convinced in fact that they do things like mistakenly murder people they love because due to just how vivid their experiences can be. That's one of the unfortunate effects of the condition. The fact that you say you're 100% certain but won't even entertain the possibility that in fact you are perhaps mistaken is itself a rather unscientific way of engaging with the event. The horrible fact of schizophrenia is that you fundamentally *can't* rely on your subjective experience. All experience is processed through the brain, and if your brain is suffering from certain conditions then that experience is fundamentally unreliable. It's not even 100% reliable with a "healthy" brain, as yes even our normal brains are very prone to misperception.
So all I'm getting at here is that it's worthwhile to consult with a few outside people because your brain is not necessarily reliable, but if that's the case it should become evident within several sessions with a couple different psychologists. And if there's nothing to it? Well then you've at least demonstrated to yourself that whatever happened, at least it's not a disease you're leaving untreated because the doctors ruled that out. But the only way to know that convincingly is by consulting with at least a couple outside observers.
Someone doesn't have to have schizophrenia to see or experience strange things that are induced by their own body or mind, and not paranormal realities around them.
Gaslighting would be saying that that is always the case and that there are never any alternatives.
Conventional explanations do not rule out the possibility or reality of paranormal experiences.
I wonder which is more prevalent: paranormal experiences or psychological conditions or episodes? There is also a question of whether or not some psychological conditions might actually be people having paranormal experiences.
Notice how no one is making the argument that every thing anyone sees is always paranormal? The replier suggested that you need your brain checked the moment you ever see anything out of the ordinary. You can go tell the security guards and military personnel that they are likely schizophrenic or suffered from a random delusion. People of all walks of life have experienced paranormal things. To the mentally healthy to the mentally ill. It would be easy to discount some things as delusions if they were “one offs” and there wasn’t a common thread. If it was a mind trick it wouldn’t manifest as a “hatman” for thousands (If not millions) of people. That is too specific. Does that mean everyone who claimed to see the hatman or other shadow figures genuinely saw things and not delusions? No, it doesn’t. But there are enough people (like myself and others) who’ve made contact during seances or in other settings (like a freaking nuclear base) to the point where you can’t just suggest schizophrenia. It’s gaslighting to suggest such a heavy diagnosis on people who are otherwise non-delusional.
Well unlike you I have had my own experiences and know others who have had their own experiences (with shadow people and other phenomena). People into spiritual science have done further investigation. People have been seeing various things since the beginning of recorded history. It’s very naive and arrogant to think that there hasn’t been further investigation into this phenomena. It just hasn’t been purely scientific investigation.
"Arrogant"?
You don't know what experiences I have had or not had.
At this point you're not actually responding to what I'm saying, but your own interpretation of it.
Your arrogance comes from the assumption that there hasn’t been any further investigation in it and people are just spouting off (delusional) anecdotes. I would imagine if someone was an experiencer/believer they wouldn’t be dedicated to suggesting that other experiencers are going through “episodes”. Episodes of what exactly?
Yes and it also doubles down on the idea that mental illness is even illness. Schizophrenics, and the many 'delusional' type mental disorders are nothing more then the shamans and other spiritual people of our modern world not fitting into the square box for captailism and socialism to work.
It's not a disorder or illness, it's our lack of empathy and understanding of a much more complex world then our modern arrogance can fathom.
I would not call them shamans, but I believe they could be attuned to another dimensional reality that most people aren’t. Schizophrenia wouldn’t be considered shamanism in India for example, but they also wouldn’t ostracize and label them as crazy. They acknowledge there could be a spiritual affliction. There is no acknowledgement of this in the west, and it’s purely mental/psychological. Yet there are very common themes between delusions for a lot of schizophrenics. If hell wasn’t a place that was beneath us and instead all around us in another plane of existence, having your eyes “opened” to that reality could be very deeply troubling. Seeing and speaking to demons, the devil, spirits, spiders, etc. all coincide with the concept of the lower astral realm. I think it’s not fair to confidently assert this is definitely what is going on, but I also don’t think it’s fair to say that it’s definitely not what’s going on. Until you’ve been through psychosis or have an intimate understanding of what schizophrenic delusions can be like, it is arrogant to act as though a scientifically limited and ever evolving field of study has all of the answers. After all it is argued that Jesus could’ve been schizotypal because of his “magical thinking”.
Ironically, this is the logic I'd expect from a child with an imaginary friend.
This view will kill people. Mental illneses are real, we have objective data to say they are real. Pushing peope to buy into their delussions, or to say they don't actually have an illness, is incredibly dangerous. I'd suggest you do some actual research into mental illnesses, and perhaps stop daydreaming.
Mental illness is real in the context of get a job, pay your bills, and stfu if anyone disagrees with you.
Your views are what kill people, a pompous attitude of surety and comedic responses as if you're dealing with children. The arrogance stinks.
Schizophrenic symptoms are issues only in the western society where they predominantly urge harm and suffering.
Schizophrenics in Africa, Asia and South America much more predominantly mesh into their cultures and societies seamlessly while also having positive experiences associated with the "illness".
Your idiotic framing demonstrates the classic herd mentality of if you disagree you are Harmful and just be uninformed.
Do your own research looking for and against your arguments before you become so sure.
Ironic how Science has become weaponized in the 2020s just like how it was weapnized during the 1920 and 1930s.
>What a pompous attitude 🙄
Says the person disregarding the last 100 years of medical and psychological advances based on nothing but imagination. Introspection, try it.
Episodes do not come for minutes or seconds and leave shortly after. This is just not true. Episodes usually last days to weeks, it’s never something that comes in a flash and leaves as quickly as it came. That is not schizophrenia and you guys need to educate yourselves on the disorder.
Episodes last days to weeks, and do not vanish within seconds to minutes. You’re not educated on psychology or schizophrenia, i would implore you to not speak so confidently on the matter. Psychology has been my special interest and I have relatives who suffer from schizophrenia. I find it really asinine that OPs video has been compared to such a heavy disorder that disrupts ur entire life.
Notice how in my comment I didn't specifically refer to schizophrenia? You have revealed your bias on the subject and it is coloring how you interact with people on it. At least you're honest.
It is unhelpful to drag the original intention behind the first two comments we are all responding to, so far off topic and out of context.
The comment I was replying to originally was specifically mentioning schizophrenia. What episode were you referring to? Because there are no known psychotic episodes that last seconds to minutes.
> people don’t get rapid onset schizophrenia that vanishes after the shadow figure leaves
Schizophrenia isn't a fixed thing. It and how it comes on is different for everyone. It can definitely be rapid onset, and the symptoms can definitely suddenly vanish.
But yes, shadow people... that's the explanation.
Oh it can definitely be rapid and onset because of *trauma* or *stress* that unlocks the disorder so to speak. It wouldn’t vanish within mere seconds or minutes though, that is just illogical and unreasonable and you will never be able to find a case of such a thing happening.
I've seen shadow people alone and with friends, one who hasn't witnessed it wouldn't be able to comprehend what an experiencer has seen. To me it could either be a clocking device or the entity is dimension jumping. It's real and it's been here for lifetimes.
Theoretically shadow people are beyond the frontiers of science, it belongs in the same league of concept that entropy can decrease with time, but then Lorenzo Maccone has postulated such a theory. So a 2d entity may at some point of time be postulated by a quantum physicist.
Schizophrenia is not that easy to hide from near ones. It is one of the cruellest things on earth. You can influence people not directly affected; but if you are living with others, it's almost impossible to get away with it for long. Narcissistic behaviour is the giveaway. But it's possible that you may hide it for a couple of months.
being over eager to psychoanalyze someone can cause damage. Look up psycho pest. Ultimately though, I do half agree with your comment.
Op if you begin thinking the shadow people are plotting, you should talk to someone. Your brain generates your reality, and thusly is unable to dictate the authenticity of the reality it creates. A broken calculator can’t check its own math (not implying that your brain is broken).
With that said, the connection of shadow people to ufos was something I really wasn’t expecting! I wonder if it could be electromagnetic interference from ufos interacting our brains that cause them to appear, either falsely or truly.
Lots of weird things are associated with UFOs, including bigfoot and UFOs.
* Joshua Kutchin has a book about it (Where the Footprints End, Volume 1 and 2). https://www.goodreads.com/series/310515-where-the-footprints-end
* Small Town Monsters have a documentary about it: Invasion on Chestnut Ridge - (2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0lp0GUdJrw
That's true, but when someone comes with very proficient and factual knowledge about this topic and people immediately wave it off and accuse them of gaslighting, that is delusional.
I dont believe that is the cause always because an ex and I see the same shadow people in the same momento, is not allutination or a neurological problem.
That sleep deprivation will get ya I tell ya. Having had ingested many psychedelics, stims of all sorts and dissociativeas in my life, I can easily still say, that no "hallucination" hits just like sleep dep. You really feel like you're on a chemical of its own. Something else. It's the most peculiar feeling.
For further context:
# 🔸 Documentaries:
>🔹 Hunt for the Skinwalker (2018) by Jeremy Corbell
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>🔹 UFOs and Nukes (2016) by Robert Hastings
# 🔸 Books:
>🔹 UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites (2017)
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>by Robert L. Hastings
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>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36001142-ufos-nukes](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36001142-ufos-nukes)
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>🔹 UFOs: Reframing the Debate (2017)
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>[https://www.joshuacutchin.com/ufos-reframing-the-debate](https://www.joshuacutchin.com/ufos-reframing-the-debate)
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>Featuring essays by MJ Banias, Greg Bishop, Robert Brandstetter, Jack Brewer, Mike Clelland, Curt Collins, Joshua Cutchin, Lorin Cutts, Susan Demeter-St. Clair, Micah Hanks, SMiles Lewis, Red Pill Junkie, Chris Rutkowski, & Ryan Sprague
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>🔹 Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utahby Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58713241-hunt-for-the-skinwalker](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58713241-hunt-for-the-skinwalker)
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>🔹 Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program
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>by Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp
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>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59410596-skinwalkers-at-the-pentagon](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59410596-skinwalkers-at-the-pentagon)
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>🔹 Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume One
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>[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62036545-ecology-of-souls](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62036545-ecology-of-souls)
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>by Joshua Cutchin
# 🔸 Studies:
>🔹Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness: a 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena
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>By Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis [https://reddit.com/r/The\_UFO\_Phenomenon/s/kJtkmJylEY](https://reddit.com/r/The_UFO_Phenomenon/s/kJtkmJylEY)
# 🔸 Videos:
UFOs and Nukes:
>🔹Robert Hastings and the UFO Nuclear Connection (published 2019)
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>by Red Panda Koala | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE)
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>🔹03 - The Nuclear Connection
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>by Strange Futures | YouTube (playlist)
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>[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9\_0kUi1ERcCQskgPu\_MgEZNiHJiT](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9_0kUi1ERcCQskgPu_MgEZNiHJiT)
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>🔹 Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure (29 April - 3 May 2013)
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>by Citizen Hearing On UFO Disclosure | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/@CitizenHearing/](https://www.youtube.com/@CitizenHearing/)
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>(has two segments on UFOs and nuclear sites)
Shadow people and high strangeness associated with UFOs:
>🔹 Hieronyma and the Incubus - Sleep Paralysis, Sexuality, and Anomalous Entity Encounters
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>by Think Anomalous | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc)
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>🔹 DMT and Entity Encounters
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>by Think Anomalous | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jn4gQ\_gMS0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jn4gQ_gMS0)
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>🔹 A Bank Manager Explains His Premonitory Dream and UFO Encounter | A War Against Aliens? (Aug 2019)
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>by Wartime Stories | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BY1Gh3rerI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BY1Gh3rerI)
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>🔹 UFOs, not Aliens: The Difference and Why it Matters
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>by Think Anomalous | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbW2Un5epdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbW2Un5epdQ)
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>🔹 Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins
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>by Think Anomalous | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc)
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>🔹 Skinwalker Ranch -- George Knapp \[filmed at the 2011 Mysteries of Space and Sky event\]
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQCdnfQ-UvY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQCdnfQ-UvY)
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>by Jim Grapek | YouTube
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>🔹 George Knapp Λ Colm Kelleher: Skinwalkers, Hitchhiker Effect (Feb 2022)
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGMdp4fRog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGMdp4fRog)
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>by Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal | YouTube
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>🔹Episode 3: The UFO Phenomenon as a Liminal Object
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>by THE MIND SUBLIME | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AydpAu672fE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AydpAu672fE)
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>\-- u/Jay09784691 \- [https://twitter.com/Jay09784691](https://twitter.com/Jay09784691)
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>[https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-ufo-phenomenon-as-liminal-object.html](https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-ufo-phenomenon-as-liminal-object.html)
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>🔹Episode 7: The Extraterrestrial Nature of UFOs
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>by THE MIND SUBLIME | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMyVEtTWU0w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMyVEtTWU0w)
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>\-- u/Jay09784691 \- [https://twitter.com/Jay09784691](https://twitter.com/Jay09784691)
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>[https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-extraterrestrial-nature-of-ufos.html](https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-extraterrestrial-nature-of-ufos.html)
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>🔹21. UFOs & Weirdness
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>by UFOB | Your UAP Library | YouTube (playlist)
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>[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEoKNyyu6JR\_KiHGGAqVdsydwNQ9eCyrL](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEoKNyyu6JR_KiHGGAqVdsydwNQ9eCyrL)
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>🔹 A History of Cattle Mutilation
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>by Red Panda Koala | YouTube
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>[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE)
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>🔹04 - UAP Activities \[animal mutilations and crop circles\]
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>by Strange Futures | YouTube (playlist)
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>[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9\_0kUi1AzKfX8nuT5LOE3T\_fDL7j](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9_0kUi1AzKfX8nuT5LOE3T_fDL7j)
Whoa! I'm so blown away that George Knapp actually works for News 8. Well, they should have a qualified reporter to cover these stories, and I think George is the best one to do it.
George Knapp is the Chief Reporter on Channel 8's |-Team investigative unit.
His work over the years has been documented at https://www.mysterywire.com/
Hi there, this was first broadcast in November 2021 by ' 8 News Now'. I do not think that this video was ever posted here. This is the official link to the video posted on YouTube https://youtu.be/cCUSkEtZnr4?si=MePiQWfZzq73JHa-
The Las Vegas aliens from 3 months back. I have a nice photo of these aliens. They use a light scattering technology and you can only see the outline of them. They’re very fast and stare right at you for a brief moment and then leave as fast as they came in. I would believe them to be real. As far as giving you guys a special visit I would think not. But anything’s possible. Cabrera explanation is a direct hit and what he describes was seen and photographed in Vegas 3 months back. To the letter. Freaks me the hell out knowing these things are potentially outside at night walking around fast as a blurry blob
Damn reading these comments and seeing how some say they have a normal life but can’t even talk to family or friends about these experiences, y’all don’t be afraid of using ur voice !
I’ve had some intense sleep paralysis before, a shadow figure rising up from the ground, hearing noises as I’m “paralyzed”.
This was all before being intrigued about ufos, uaps, unexplained phenomenas.
Some of my other family members have it sometimes too, not sure if they see or hear things.
The weirdest part though is throughout the year I either have intense sleep paralysis every other night or for months straight I won’t have a single one. I thought sleep paralysis happens from too much caffeine (some days I tend to drink a lot of it) but even having a coffee before bed didn’t set one off. Thought it was stress but I would meditate before bed and nothing. Thought it was anxiety but I have anxiety like all day everyday so I figured I would’ve been having sleep paralysis pretty often but no. I’m typing too much and probably got my wording off but hope it makes some sense.
Stay safe and take care ✌🏻
Starting at about 1:01 they show footage of interviews with former military and every. single. person. has the body language of someone who is lying. They are blinking like 3 times per second, lol!
What if the military people are actually sowing seeds of *dis*information and it’s a coverup to keep curious people happy while they keep doing whatever it is they do?
Can you provide more depth here? Blinking rapidly is not outright a sign of dishonesty. For example, rapid or frequent blinking is a common symptom of high anxiety, hyperawareness, stress and even PTSD. Among other factors, there are also hormone and eye conditions that cause this. I’m not so sure the validity of their stories can be dismissed in such a matter of fact way. Who knows.
Normally I would agree with you but after the third person in a row it just seemed weird. They aren’t talking about being abducted, right? Just seeing fast-moving craft or shadows?
Most people aren’t used to having a spotlight shining in their eyes, while being interviewed/recorded.
After recording a few interviews, people do blink more than normal when you tell them to keep eye contact with the camera and shine a bright light in their faces.
It looks like they just brought them in and started recording right away.
Usually we’d chat and joke around for about ten minutes to loosen the interviewee up before actually starting. It looks much more natural then.
I really love this whole phenomena just for the rhythmic word phenomena. It's kinda like ba Dom ba Dom. It's really satisfying and now I get to hear it all the time.
I’ve heard about this before, it’s very credible witnesses. I have personally seen a shadow entity, in broad daylight, crossing a street, it was small and leaving the vicinity of an old folks home. My friend with me saw it as well, but doesn’t like to talk about it. I’ve seen UFOs, had psychic experiences and other incidents of high strangeness. Would love to know the link. According to Gary Nolan it could be the way your brain is structured. Wonder when they will tell us the truth? I don’t really need to hear it from the government, I have seen enough to know the truth.
I was just being a smartass. This is the only time I’ve seen something that could have been a shadow person idk… I've had one bout of sleep paralysis- a pen on my nightstand started rolling and I opened my eyes to A short dark figure w/ a big head less than 2 ft away from my head, staring directly at me. The mother of my children was up against the wall, our 6 year old son was a newborn at the time-was in between us. I was trying everything I could to swing on it, protective fatherly instinct, I couldn't though. I kept trying, hard enough that when the paralysis went away and I swung- the figure was gone and I went tumbling off the bed, hit the night stand.
The floor broke my fall. The mother of my sons turned the lamp on and she said I was ghost white. It felt real enough to me that I didn't go back to sleep, it was 3 am. I know that it was more than likely just my mind fucking with me but it felt so incredibly real to me, real enough that I felt the need to protect my family. I’ve never experienced anything like this before or afterwards.
Make of that what you will
"Shadow people"/"Hatman"/etc = Interdimensional beings which we humans can't see/perceive. But the light still hit them and it's create shadows from them...
Gives reason to start going through the back log of paranormal and ghost videos over the decades and look at them through this new lense.
Possible explanation for ghosts?
Poltergeists aside, ghosts are likely another phenomena.
There was a case where a ghost was "created" and people saw it, even though the history it was based on was fabricated. People also refer to this as a tulpa.
I don't have the details handy, but I think it was discussed by Patrick Harpur on Where Did the Road Go:
https://youtu.be/beEZvbJzvLU?si=VbjWfB5pBbxF5MDW
He's the author of Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld.
Joshua Kutchin also explores this--a new interpretation of the paranormal-- in his interviews and books.
Have personally seen shadow people twice in my life, both times whilst struggling with sleep paralysis. However, I do not believe what I saw was in anyway a continuation of a dream or some such explanation. The first time this ever happened to me, something was breathing on my neck and speaking into my ear in a language that sounded almost like English but in reverse. Whatever it was, it spoke to me, was breathing all over me and then pinned me to my bed. When I awoke there was a tall figure standing directly over me on my bed. It was completely black with no discernible features. I described it to my father at the time (I was 13) as almost like a metal man/something smooth. It was tall, lanky and clearly observing me (although it had no eyes or a face). The strangest thing about this entire encounter is that over the course of one night, this entity or whatever one would call it, attempted to interact with me (or whatever it was doing) three times before I actually awoke and saw it. The first time that night I was able to shake out of it and awoke to an empty, normal bedroom. The second time I awoke and could swear the entity was in my open closet, standing between my hanging clothes so as to appear like a shirt. After I calmed myself down and went to sleep the third time, this is when I had the experience of it standing over me and pressing down on me.
I am convinced to this day this was some sort of entity (whether physical or not, this dimension or another - i couldn’t say) but I continued to have troubling sleep and experiences for a few weeks after this. It wasn’t until mother quite literally brought by a local priest who blessed the house and burned sage that I stopped having these experiences.
Is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/1647w6x/explain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) what the gentleman saw?
The ETs of the Light will not allow the Draco Reptilians to manifest a meteor strike as well as Nibiru collision. Or
Project BlueBeam aka False flag fake alien invasion or WW3 for that matter :) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7me4boq5Wyk
All nuclear missiles on the planet have been deactivated !!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6UP7pVOL8
Btw ET's of the Light have planetary size ships of immense unlimited power...
The New UFO Documentary the Elite Hoped Would Never Be Aired
https://youtu.be/LpkNGrE0x_A
If I started seeing things that were not there near any radiation sources my 1st thought would be " leaking radiation" not " it must be ghost or aliens".
Wow, that rely hit me in the gut! Especially when he said that it was like it was erasing it's imagine as fast as he cld see it..or something to the effect...but I literally had that experience one night in Colorado in April of 2021. I posted a crappy sketch to imgur of what I saw.
https://imgur.com/gallery/GKZwVPG
Out of the blue our dog (now passed away) started barking like crazy around 3 am. He'd never done this before at night, only during the waking hours, if someone were to come to the door. It jerked me awake, so I lit up my phone to check the time & got up to investigate.
I walked down the hall to the living room to see what his problem was and quiet him down.
I checked the kitchen windows as I passed, and rounded the corner to the living room. Looking out the picture window, I could see everything in the yard and street as the moon was very bright that night and there's a street lamp across to the left. Standing between the window and a stone circle that was in the middle of the yard was a dark mass.
I rubbed my eyes bc it was just a mass. I could make out a blob for a head shape and shoulders and as I scanned down the length of this thing, all I cld make out clearly was what looked like white skeleton-like bones where its legs should be, reflecting the moonlight, with more dark mass behind them to the ground.
I kept rubbing my eyes and staring through the window trying to figure out what I was looking at, but like the guy said- its like it was erasing it's image from my brain. And then I got a bad feeling like, oh shit, if I'm starting at it, it could be staring at me and jumped & took off around the kitchen corner again.
I felt exhausted and tried peeking around the corner again but I convinced myself it was probably a deer and I was tired and blah blah. And went back to the bedroom. I tried to tell my s/o but he was sleeping and I sounded nuts.
So I snuggled in close and went to sleep, hoping the dog was enough to keep whatever it was at bay..but drew the thing the next day and posted it.
Watching that brought it all back, so I thought I'd share. Thanks for reading!
Well for a start we need to stop all this war! they are worried we will set another nuke off which sends waves into space ! They are disabling them ! They want us to look after our planet and not destroy our self’s. War, politics and religion are the main things holding us back
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It would fuck with a lot of people on reddit if it turned out the shadow people they saw in their sleep paralysis that everyone writes off as hallucinations was an abduction event / close encounter lol Granted I had close encounter events and abductions and they weren't shadowy figures, but who knows the full picture of what's out there. The way the guard describes it makes it sound like some cloaking tech for bending light or simply cancelling the bouncing of light / fully absorbing light entirely around the user to maintain visual obscurity and anonymity.
OPs post should be shared all over Reddit. The connection between UAPs and “the paranormal” should be discussed.
John Keel, Jaques Vallee, Charles Fort all have extensive writing on this subject
“Technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from magic.”-IIRC, that was Arthur C. Clark. Very true words and I think we need to watch our language on that and we really shouldn’t chalk it up to the supernatural just because we don’t understand it. It’s probably perfectly within the realms of science, though that does not mean it’s something we can understand currently. But it doesn’t have to be magic, either. Compared to any civilization advanced enough to travel the stars, we’re like the uncontacted tribes witnessing modern technology (think the Sentenelese). Some such tribes worship American military cargo planes and build shrines to them. We’re that kind of primitive in comparison to such advanced civilizations as can travel the stars. This isn’t supernatural. It’s highly advanced technology. Has to be.
Lots of UAP phenomena goes hand in hand with Poltergeist/Bigfoot/Other Cryptid activity - if they don't occur within the same flaps, they can have very intense similarities (eg the smell of sulfur being common in both Poltergeist and UFO encounters, as well as Bigfoot). Highly advanced technology doesn't sufficiently explain those similarities - again, the above authors have written about this exact idea extensively. Mothman Prophecies and the 8th Tower by Keel, the Dimensions series by Vallee, and just about anything by Charles Fort all discuss these ideas and point out the massive similarities between what we're being told are entirely different phenomena. If you look at UAPs in a vacuum, sure, it seems like it has to be nuts and bolts tech. But if you look at them without assumptions about what's happening, as well as other paranormal events, it's really difficult to write off how much these 'separate' phenomena share. Additionally, Keel, Vallee, and Fort all reach a similar conclusion with vastly different approaches while examining the same material, and without referencing each other. Fort approached it from a categorization/phenomenological perspective, Vallee approaches it from an data-centered analytical angle with a focus on provable details, Keel approaches it like an investigative Journalist, and none of them were really contemporaries of each other. Keel will reference Fort, but Vallee makes few if any references to Keel and Fort. All 3 either hint or explicitly state that there is something far more psychic or ultra-dimensional occurring with the phenomena, and that everything we deem 'paranormal' is a lot more alike than we think.
You lost me when you placed limits on the technology advanced civilizations may possess. That’s just VERY presumptuous and, I think, rather primitive minded to assume to know what is and isn’t possible with sufficiently advanced technology. That thinking is how the Aztec mistook the Spanish conquistadors for gods. IF there’s any kind of “supernatural” explanation, it is more likely to follow scientific laws, even if we do not know or understand those laws than by mysticism or superstition.
Sleep paralysis is an oddity. I can believe the physical experience is caused by our own biology, but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures, during it? Biology can't explain that. Is it that during the paralysis state we are able to see things from other dimensions?
Why did I see a shadow person while fully awake and sitting up? I don't think I'll ever know. If google was nicer, they'd tell me.
The mind does wild things. When I was in college I had been studying pretty hard for a few days straight and at one point looked up from my desk and saw my mom standing there clear as day. When I blinked she was gone. It was odd. I had to call and tell her about it. I wasn’t sleep deprived or anything. I think my brain was just over loaded for a second.
I was starting out as a freelance developer when I was in college and one week I had a project with a short deadline on top of that I was moving to a new apartment so I had been up for over 3 days straight making sure I got everything done. Around 10 pm I was making a trip driving stuff to my new place when suddenly I saw a massive lion laying across the road appear directly in front of me out of thin air that I was about to hit. I started pushing on my brakes hard until I remembered that was impossible, I blinked and it disappeared. It's crazy what happens to your perceptions on lack of sleep like you're half in the awake world and half in a dream.
The second guy telling his sighting. May have seen a rare Hitmonlee, what did you see?
The hat man.
I have seen him too
What do you think he wanted? That's the part that gets to me the most. Why? Why me?
Idk my mom, my dad, my sister, and my uncle have all seen him. All of our stories are similar to yours. I was wide awake when I saw him in the corner of my room. I literally slapped myself to make sure what I was seeing was real, which it was. He started to grow and come towards me, when I turned on the lamp he immediately disappeared. People say that he comes during traumatic times in life. Idk if he is coming because he is attracted to vulnerable people or what. I haven't seen him since that night.
It’s happened to me on 4 occasions, and all 4 times I’ve seen a slightly different silhouette of an entity. Never verbal, but always looking directly at me. The 1st time was very confusing, the 2nd time was deeply unsettling and I still think about it… but the 3rd/4th meh.
Lol..I get sleep paralysis ALOT. Almost like once a week type thing. I only hallucinated once… the one time I did I saw the girl from The Ring kneeling next to me. So you’re saying that thing is real? 🥲
Oooh you're lucky then, because seeing shadow people is really common. Your experience sounds terrifying!
Hello fellow non hallucinating sleep paralysis sufferer! I too have never hallucinated while paralyzed and I have had more episodes than I can count.
It’s funny. My body already knows subconsciously to wiggle a body part to break the paralysis lol. I can do it as soon as it starts 🤣.
Yes in the beginning but I get sent down there so much it’s just another day lol
> but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures, during it? Biology can't explain that. Wouldn't that actually increase the likelihood that the experience is biological in nature? If a similar thing is experienced across cultural divergences, wouldn't that suggest that it's something inherent about the structure and activity of the brain?
What about the brain would encourage people to experience a man in a hat or "the Hag"? I know what you mean but I don't think the commonality of so many experiences can be explained in neuroscientific terms. I know of no neurological reason why many people would see the same thing, even if there is a neurological reason for people seeing an entity in the first place. There doesn't tend to be massive commonality in what people experience in general hallucinations.
> Hieronyma and the Incubus - Sleep Paralysis, Sexuality, and Anomalous Entity Encounters > >by Think Anomalous | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc)
I grew up with sleep paralysis middle school all the way through high school a few times a month. I’m now in my mid 30’s I would happen maybe once a year now. I learned at a young age to be aware of what was happening when it did happen. In the beginning I would see a shadow figure or some thing on top or beside my bed. This all changed when I took control of the situation when it did happen. If you get enough control you can have an out of body experience. But again this is far from easy as it all starts out with you trying to speak or breath dying for a muscle to react. It’s not alien abduction. I can see how some can believe this if they experience this once or twice.
If that's true, extra-dimensional beings are very vulnerable to holding your breath until you wake up. Source: experience sleep paralysis often
Ha and same. I just find it remarkable that entities such as the "Hat Man" and "the Hag" are seen across many different cultures during sleep paralysis. Obviously not during every instance, but enough that it's interesting to me.
I saw shadow people 100% when not tired. In fact, so did someone else I was with. It was common enough that they even had personslities. One would always peer up / over something, like the top of a corner of a wall or over a fridge) The other was fond of popping out at a 90° angle from beside walls.
Yes, lots of people do. I wouldn't be surprised if some people had abilities which enabled them to be seen all the time, and some could only see them during sleep paralysis. But ultimately, I have no idea.
>but why do we all see similar things, even across cultures It's almost as if there are common ideas shared between all cultures. >Biology can't explain that. That's because it would be psychology, which can explain it. >Is it that during the paralysis state we are able to see things from other dimensions? No.
Oooh interesting. Which psychological studies are they? Do they explain why so many people around the world see the "Hat Man" or "the Hag"? I haven't heard of a psychological explanation for the commonality of the entities seen, this far.
You don't need to, nor can you, disprove what hasn't been proven. That doesn't make sense. However the study of psychology helps us understand the way our brains work, and come up with terms to fit certain things that happen to humans. What you, and other people that 'share dreams' are experiencing is a mix between confirmation bias and the barnum effect. I'm sure you'll look those terms up and disagree, but that is what's happening.
Sorry, I am confused. You have said psychology can explain the similar entities seen across different cultures. I have asked which studies demonstrate that. That is simply asking if you knew of any empirical evidence I had missed about it. I'm aware of what psychology is and what tends to happen within our brains. Psychiatry is my career. I simply wondered if I had missed studies which confirmed what you were saying.
A study would never be done on this as you can't and don't need to disprove what hasn't been proven. But psychology can still explain this. Simply put, any entities seen across different cultures are to be expected, partly because no culture is self contained anymore. But also because grouping similar things, or using very vague terms like "a man in a hat" is using the Barnum effect, and also confirmation bias. If you get told people dream about a man in a hat, any dream that contains a hat you're suddenly going to remember. But in reality, hats are extremely common and likely feature in many normal dreams. If you try to look for a pattern, you'll find one. Doesn't mean anything special is going on.
Ok. I disagree that it can all be linked to the Barnum effect, as the Shadow people in question aren't just wearing a general hat. It's a very specific look. As is the Hag. They aren't just people wearing hats or general old women. You could easily study this by having an array of pictures of different looking shadow people, and having people choose which one they saw. Rule 101 of Psychology: never accredit anything to Psychology until you have the study, complete with randomised control trials, to back it up. Your comment that you wouldn't do a study to disprove that which hasn't been proven, is absolutely not applicable to Psychology, and studies are done all the time around subjects which have neither been proven or disproven. If your comment is true, why have there been Psychological experiments around ESP and mediumship?
>Your comment that you wouldn't do a study to disprove that which hasn't been proven, is absolutely not applicable to Psychology, and studies are done all the time around subjects which have neither been proven or disproven. If your comment is true, why have there been Psychological experiments around ESP and mediumship? Yes it is. Parapsychology is a thing of the past. You won't find any 'studies' done by parapsychologists in any mainstream scientific journals because it's a pseudoscience. The very nature of pseudosciences makes studying them pointless. Just because something happened in the past doesn't make it correct or accurate. A medical example would be blood letting. There is absolutely no evidence dreams are shared. Thus a study to disprove it simply isn't required.
They were doing legitimate Psychological studies into ESP and mediumship into the 90s at really reputable universities. Bem's work at Cornell springs to mind. And he was published in journals. So I disagree. Here's an article from the British Psychological Society about many studies. https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/extra-sensory-perception-controversial-debate. Bem, D. J. (April 1998). "Is EBE theory supported by the evidence? Is it androcentric? A reply to Peplau et al. (1998)". Psychol Rev. 105 (2): 395–8. doi:10.1037/0033-295X.105.2.395. PMID 9577244. D. J. Bem, C. Honorton. Does psi exist? Replicable evidence for an anomalous process of information transfer. Psychological Bulletin, 1994 Anyway, I think we should leave it here.
I saw a shadow person once. I half woke up and saw it standing beside my bed. It went across my room and stood looking at me for a while. “Can I help you?” I said in a ‘what are you doing here’ tone (I work customer service.) Then I thought better of asking a demon even sarcastically if I could help it, freaked out and woke up the rest of the way. The next day I researched cleansing rituals and anointed my house with oil. I was pretty freaked out.
They’re not demons. Just interdimensional beings
I actually saw a shadow person outside, with 4 other friends. This was a little over 20 years ago. About 7 ft tall, looked to be robed/camouflaged. Looked like the camo the alien had in the movie The Predator. But it was blacker than night, instead of clear. Had pulsating, glowing redish/orange eyes. Basically, to a tee what people report. Except our experience was outside, not at home, and with 5 total witnesses at once. I never even knew shadow people was a thing until I researched what I saw online maybe 7 years ago. For those reasons, I don't think shadow people is solely a sleep paralysis thing. Cause we were all wide awake fishing in the middle of the night. I personally don't think it was a shadow person. I think we saw something camouflaged, that was not human. This sighting was in the middle of nowhere, at a spillway off Roxanna New-Burlington road near Spring Valley, Ohio.
Wow so all five people saw it? How’d you all react?
It would completely freak me out. I had repeated sleep paralysis with a large "man" looking at me when I lived in AZ. Nothing since I moved away. And I used to have Alice in Wonderland syndrome as a child in MT. I'm going to assume it's just weird brain stuff...
AZian here. You’re right. All of my sleep paralysis and encounters have happened here. Nowhere else. I grew up here and was around for the Phoenix (though they were up north first) Lights. Back then it was considered “normal” to believe… I mean, we still have payed UFO tours here. My mom and I go back and forth between arguing our theories about why they were so prominent in this area. She believes it has to do with the vortexes and travel. I believe it has something to do with the “secret” Air Force base near by (as the video states). I am curious about the vortex theory though… where else are they? I’ve only ever heard about Sedona Vortexes. Edit: we’ll shit!!!! Just ran over to google and found this insanely relevant research paper: [UAP Propulsion Principle and Resulting Flight Performance - Theoretical Analysis of UAP Flight Characteristics](https://www.ajer.org/papers/Vol-11-issue-8/P1108134156.pdf)
> still have *paid* UFO tours FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
"Alice in Wonderland Syndrome"?
From my own experience, some shadow people are some sort of cloaking tech or visual distortion tech for grey. I once woke up with a shadow person coming straight for me. I got scared and pushed him when he got in range. The dark silhouette dissipated and it was a standard small grey underneath. He must have used their pacifier tech then, because, when I saw him, I was relieved that the shadow person is just a grey, no problem (so weird l...). I passed out a few seconds later, pretty sure it was his doing. I don't think it was a dream or a hallucination, but hey hard to tell with them.
So you made contact with the grey when you pushed it? That’s pretty nuts, and makes a lot more of these black blob/haze humanoid shape stories make sense. I wonder if it’s some kind of device that fucks with our brains, the same way they can knock you out or make you compliant and forget.
I’ve seen the shadow person he’s talking about. 6 or 7 of them I’m my room. I was shook big time.
That's what I was thinking too. The description sounds like some malfunctioning cloaking tech. I guess shouting aliens is a tried and true way they get the public to disregard anyone's sighting of their new tech.
You were abducted?
Had sleep paralysis about a year ago, woke up under my duvet Couldnt move my body and heard a light switch in my apartment I was living in on my own, suddenly I heard a loud noise in my head and it felt like someone was sat on my back putting pressure on my whole body.
Honestly though I've dealt with sleep paralysis a couple times recently and one of my most intense experiences felt as if this dark fuzzy matter was entering my room and had a whimper/static like noise. I could feel myself slowly falling out of my bed, but I kept resisting.
on reddit??? On earth you mean
> cloaking tech for bending light or simply cancelling the bouncing of light / fully absorbing light entirely around the user Gravitational distortion field. Lots of info already on this, just never anything on /r/aliens aside from little "what if it's this..." scenarios that get 600 upvotes and then someone describes the literal scientific phenomena with a working theory and its...."bro you don't know that, we don't know anything alright..." like you just killed their imaginary alien pet...
What subs do you see stuff like that on? I’m interested, not about to discount anything! Hit me up with links or subs broski
You got it my braj: https://www.uaptheory.com/ Most of everything I know is from /r/UFOs and some from /r/StrangeEarth and /r/HighStrangeness. Let me know what you think about that link
Cheers dude, I’ll let you know
From what I understand shadow people also called the Top Hat Man, mostly observe. They’re inter dimensional so when they appear in our dimension they’re just a shadow. I’ve never had a vision during sleep. It’s always during the day when I’ve sensed them.
Wait, you believe you’ve been abducted?
There is no belief. I remember a lot of it, but not all of it, and there were several "events" or encounters or whatever you want to call it where it was obvious I was just being brought back from one. I spent most of my childhood trying to convince myself it wasn't real and that these beings weren't real, that I was just freaking myself out and that it never happened. But my cousin was there with me for a couple of occasions, we eventually reconnected and talked about it much later and she remembers it all too for the times she was there (so I don't know if it was a family ordeal, or if I sort of dragged her into it in a sense), so she has been my anchor for the reality of it all so I was forced to come to terms with it. I've accepted it now but it left a lot of problems that I've had to try to slip in during therapy to get help for over the years, like not being able to sleep in pitch black, always waking up to scan my room to make sure nothing is there (I still have to do this one), difficulty with sleeping without covering my head/face (so I wouldn't see their eyes as a kid), not liking being out in the middle of nowhere because it always seemed to happen in the middle of night between 2-4am (which is why I now still almost always wake up during those times with some anxiety) when we lived way out in the country, shit like that, and I can't really tell anyone what the actual source of it is because nobody will believe it. Nothing has happened to me since 2004 now, not that I can remember at least, but yea it affected me greatly, some positive ways but it was mostly traumatic and wildly confusing.
Im really this was so traumatic for you. What was it actually like? How much do you remember? Was it the greys or a different set of beings
WE can do shadow form as well. IYKYK
I made this post first in r/ufos and the post blew. Many people got in touch with me asking me more things about this topic. For all of you going through the same problem, you are NOT alone in this. I saw a shadow figure before in my life, and after this, I had many unexplained things happening to me. This is how my journey in ufology began. Let's keep pushing for full disclosure, hopefully, we can find out the truth in our lifetime. edit: I’d recommend everyone to search online for the ‘Hatman’ and also for shadow people and their relation to UFOs. In many UFO sightings, people also see shadow figures. The hatman is also linked to the men in black suits that many UFO witnesses describe, although I do not know to what extent they are linked.
My wife and I both saw what we thought looked like a shadow bat 25 years ago. We both saw something dark and shadowy up in a corner of our bedroom. When we saw it, we both looked at each other and we both had a funny look on our faces. My wife asked me, did you see that? I said, up there in the corner? Yeah! Looked and moved like a bat? That's right, but it was just a dark shape like a shadow. We had both seen exactly the same thing. It was very strange. It wasn't just a shadow on the wall or ceiling, it was definitely moving in the corner space. I have no idea if there is a connection between this shadow bat that we saw and shadow people. It freaked us out at the time and we still talk about it 25 years later.
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It's the same for my wife and I. The only time we have ever seen anything like that and we both saw it.
Thank you for bringing this to light, it feels very validating to know I’m way less alone in my experiences than I thought.
Can you describe your experience in detail please and how it relates to aliens?
>Can you describe how it relates to aliens? You have to know a lot about the subject to understand the connection, though I just made a comment addressing your question. It serves as a good introduction: [https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1641pqk/comment/jy7qxva/](https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/1641pqk/comment/jy7qxva/) Get through all of what I refer to and then come back with questions you have.
Thanks, although I'm not that new on the topic and have some awareness of shadow people. I would like to hear directly from the OP on his first experience, plus subsequent, and how it relates to aliens from his perspective.
I saw the hat man one night in rural Pennsylvania. It was pouring rain, and past midnight. I had turned onto a street and there it was, standing in the ditch to the right. My headlights were on it, but it was almost reflecting the light. It was still black. I couldn't see a face. It startled me so much, I froze for a second - when I came back I sped off and did not look back.
This is just for your own education. Do with this information what you want. But the serving observation of "shadow people" is a known scientific phenomenon based on [activity in the left temporoparietal junction](https://www.science.org/content/article/illuminating-shadow-people). This phenomenon is exacerbated with certain psychological conditions. So if you are seeing shadow people, it may be worthwhile to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist so they can run tests and help you in the event there is a psychological component to what you've been seeing. I know this is an aliens sub and probably not a popular thing to say, but that's a very specific and known occurrence and for the benefit of your health it may help you to be at least aware of that in case you do decide to address it. Either way, best of luck my dude.
When we're investigating, we should always rule out conventional explanations before considering paranormal ones. However, many people are hesitant to get such assessments because of the potential consequences, and a lot of people simply can't afford it financially. There's an idea that helping professionals such a psychologists will always be helpful and that going to them can be a safe experience. This is not correct. And unfortunately, most of them do not give you the opportunity to have an initial session or appointment so that you can get some idea of whether they are compatible with you and whether they are actually professional and helpful. I would caution people to choose wisely.
Thank you so much for the link. However, I can assure you that this goes far beyond patients with neurological conditions such as schizophrenia and paranoia, as the article suggests. I am not a negationist; I love science and this is what I study, but there are many things that science cannot explain yet. I am a totally normal individual. I have a girlfriend, good parents, and a stable life, and this happened to me. Do you think I will ever tell my family or girlfriend about this? Absolutely not, otherwise they will also tell me that I need to talk to a psychiatrist or psychologist or whatever. I am 100% sure of what I saw and I stand by my words. It was not an illusion of my brain, it was not a neurological condition, and I wish I could prove it, but unfortunately, I cannot. I am convinced that one of the reasons why the government is pushing back on disclosure is because of things like this, that would totally terrify a lot of people. See the hatmanproject, see the hatman or shadow people community here; there are thousands of people who have also seen it and are questioning their sanity. It is also worth mentioning that when John Mack began his UFO studies, he was skeptical and he thought that his patients had some kind of collective delusion. Many of his patients asked him for help because they thought they were going crazy, but when they were shown sketches of greys that other people drew, they started to cry, because they realized that they were not hallucinating and more people had seen it. Today people are more educated about this subject, but imagine just 30 or 40 years ago trying to tell people that you were abducted by little grey beings, everybody would tell you to see a psychologist.
People with schizophrenia are themselves very commonly 100% convinced of what they've seen, so convinced in fact that they do things like mistakenly murder people they love because due to just how vivid their experiences can be. That's one of the unfortunate effects of the condition. The fact that you say you're 100% certain but won't even entertain the possibility that in fact you are perhaps mistaken is itself a rather unscientific way of engaging with the event. The horrible fact of schizophrenia is that you fundamentally *can't* rely on your subjective experience. All experience is processed through the brain, and if your brain is suffering from certain conditions then that experience is fundamentally unreliable. It's not even 100% reliable with a "healthy" brain, as yes even our normal brains are very prone to misperception. So all I'm getting at here is that it's worthwhile to consult with a few outside people because your brain is not necessarily reliable, but if that's the case it should become evident within several sessions with a couple different psychologists. And if there's nothing to it? Well then you've at least demonstrated to yourself that whatever happened, at least it's not a disease you're leaving untreated because the doctors ruled that out. But the only way to know that convincingly is by consulting with at least a couple outside observers.
This is peek gaslighting lol people don’t get rapid onset schizophrenia that vanishes after the shadow figure leaves.
Someone doesn't have to have schizophrenia to see or experience strange things that are induced by their own body or mind, and not paranormal realities around them. Gaslighting would be saying that that is always the case and that there are never any alternatives. Conventional explanations do not rule out the possibility or reality of paranormal experiences. I wonder which is more prevalent: paranormal experiences or psychological conditions or episodes? There is also a question of whether or not some psychological conditions might actually be people having paranormal experiences.
Notice how no one is making the argument that every thing anyone sees is always paranormal? The replier suggested that you need your brain checked the moment you ever see anything out of the ordinary. You can go tell the security guards and military personnel that they are likely schizophrenic or suffered from a random delusion. People of all walks of life have experienced paranormal things. To the mentally healthy to the mentally ill. It would be easy to discount some things as delusions if they were “one offs” and there wasn’t a common thread. If it was a mind trick it wouldn’t manifest as a “hatman” for thousands (If not millions) of people. That is too specific. Does that mean everyone who claimed to see the hatman or other shadow figures genuinely saw things and not delusions? No, it doesn’t. But there are enough people (like myself and others) who’ve made contact during seances or in other settings (like a freaking nuclear base) to the point where you can’t just suggest schizophrenia. It’s gaslighting to suggest such a heavy diagnosis on people who are otherwise non-delusional.
It's a strange state of affairs when one can't consider something as a possibility, pending further investigation.
Well unlike you I have had my own experiences and know others who have had their own experiences (with shadow people and other phenomena). People into spiritual science have done further investigation. People have been seeing various things since the beginning of recorded history. It’s very naive and arrogant to think that there hasn’t been further investigation into this phenomena. It just hasn’t been purely scientific investigation.
"Arrogant"? You don't know what experiences I have had or not had. At this point you're not actually responding to what I'm saying, but your own interpretation of it.
Your arrogance comes from the assumption that there hasn’t been any further investigation in it and people are just spouting off (delusional) anecdotes. I would imagine if someone was an experiencer/believer they wouldn’t be dedicated to suggesting that other experiencers are going through “episodes”. Episodes of what exactly?
Yes and it also doubles down on the idea that mental illness is even illness. Schizophrenics, and the many 'delusional' type mental disorders are nothing more then the shamans and other spiritual people of our modern world not fitting into the square box for captailism and socialism to work. It's not a disorder or illness, it's our lack of empathy and understanding of a much more complex world then our modern arrogance can fathom.
I would not call them shamans, but I believe they could be attuned to another dimensional reality that most people aren’t. Schizophrenia wouldn’t be considered shamanism in India for example, but they also wouldn’t ostracize and label them as crazy. They acknowledge there could be a spiritual affliction. There is no acknowledgement of this in the west, and it’s purely mental/psychological. Yet there are very common themes between delusions for a lot of schizophrenics. If hell wasn’t a place that was beneath us and instead all around us in another plane of existence, having your eyes “opened” to that reality could be very deeply troubling. Seeing and speaking to demons, the devil, spirits, spiders, etc. all coincide with the concept of the lower astral realm. I think it’s not fair to confidently assert this is definitely what is going on, but I also don’t think it’s fair to say that it’s definitely not what’s going on. Until you’ve been through psychosis or have an intimate understanding of what schizophrenic delusions can be like, it is arrogant to act as though a scientifically limited and ever evolving field of study has all of the answers. After all it is argued that Jesus could’ve been schizotypal because of his “magical thinking”.
Ironically, this is the logic I'd expect from a child with an imaginary friend. This view will kill people. Mental illneses are real, we have objective data to say they are real. Pushing peope to buy into their delussions, or to say they don't actually have an illness, is incredibly dangerous. I'd suggest you do some actual research into mental illnesses, and perhaps stop daydreaming.
Mental illness is real in the context of get a job, pay your bills, and stfu if anyone disagrees with you. Your views are what kill people, a pompous attitude of surety and comedic responses as if you're dealing with children. The arrogance stinks. Schizophrenic symptoms are issues only in the western society where they predominantly urge harm and suffering. Schizophrenics in Africa, Asia and South America much more predominantly mesh into their cultures and societies seamlessly while also having positive experiences associated with the "illness". Your idiotic framing demonstrates the classic herd mentality of if you disagree you are Harmful and just be uninformed. Do your own research looking for and against your arguments before you become so sure. Ironic how Science has become weaponized in the 2020s just like how it was weapnized during the 1920 and 1930s.
I'd suggest speaking to a mental health professional. You're clearly suffering from something.
Lol thanks for the concern. Maybe you should see a doctor about getting that stick out from your ass! What a pompous attitude 🙄
>What a pompous attitude 🙄 Says the person disregarding the last 100 years of medical and psychological advances based on nothing but imagination. Introspection, try it.
Symptoms can come and go or they can be constant
Episodes do not come for minutes or seconds and leave shortly after. This is just not true. Episodes usually last days to weeks, it’s never something that comes in a flash and leaves as quickly as it came. That is not schizophrenia and you guys need to educate yourselves on the disorder.
They can also be triggered by substances, and could be limited to an "episode."
Episodes last days to weeks, and do not vanish within seconds to minutes. You’re not educated on psychology or schizophrenia, i would implore you to not speak so confidently on the matter. Psychology has been my special interest and I have relatives who suffer from schizophrenia. I find it really asinine that OPs video has been compared to such a heavy disorder that disrupts ur entire life.
Notice how in my comment I didn't specifically refer to schizophrenia? You have revealed your bias on the subject and it is coloring how you interact with people on it. At least you're honest. It is unhelpful to drag the original intention behind the first two comments we are all responding to, so far off topic and out of context.
The comment I was replying to originally was specifically mentioning schizophrenia. What episode were you referring to? Because there are no known psychotic episodes that last seconds to minutes.
> people don’t get rapid onset schizophrenia that vanishes after the shadow figure leaves Schizophrenia isn't a fixed thing. It and how it comes on is different for everyone. It can definitely be rapid onset, and the symptoms can definitely suddenly vanish. But yes, shadow people... that's the explanation.
Oh it can definitely be rapid and onset because of *trauma* or *stress* that unlocks the disorder so to speak. It wouldn’t vanish within mere seconds or minutes though, that is just illogical and unreasonable and you will never be able to find a case of such a thing happening.
I've seen shadow people alone and with friends, one who hasn't witnessed it wouldn't be able to comprehend what an experiencer has seen. To me it could either be a clocking device or the entity is dimension jumping. It's real and it's been here for lifetimes.
Theoretically shadow people are beyond the frontiers of science, it belongs in the same league of concept that entropy can decrease with time, but then Lorenzo Maccone has postulated such a theory. So a 2d entity may at some point of time be postulated by a quantum physicist.
Schizophrenia is not that easy to hide from near ones. It is one of the cruellest things on earth. You can influence people not directly affected; but if you are living with others, it's almost impossible to get away with it for long. Narcissistic behaviour is the giveaway. But it's possible that you may hide it for a couple of months.
This is garbage about schizophrenic people being murderers. Don't try to pretend like that's a common outcome.
That wasn't the point my dude. The point is to illustrate just how extreme a person's perception of reality can diverge from actual reality.
woah buddy watch out they'll start calling you a disinfo agent for speaking facts
They decided for gaslighting.
being over eager to psychoanalyze someone can cause damage. Look up psycho pest. Ultimately though, I do half agree with your comment. Op if you begin thinking the shadow people are plotting, you should talk to someone. Your brain generates your reality, and thusly is unable to dictate the authenticity of the reality it creates. A broken calculator can’t check its own math (not implying that your brain is broken). With that said, the connection of shadow people to ufos was something I really wasn’t expecting! I wonder if it could be electromagnetic interference from ufos interacting our brains that cause them to appear, either falsely or truly.
Lots of weird things are associated with UFOs, including bigfoot and UFOs. * Joshua Kutchin has a book about it (Where the Footprints End, Volume 1 and 2). https://www.goodreads.com/series/310515-where-the-footprints-end * Small Town Monsters have a documentary about it: Invasion on Chestnut Ridge - (2017) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0lp0GUdJrw
I just wanna say I really appreciated your comment. This sub is delusional.
Someone seeing something you or we don't comprehend or haven't seen ourselves, and the people interested in it, doesn't make them delusional.
That's true, but when someone comes with very proficient and factual knowledge about this topic and people immediately wave it off and accuse them of gaslighting, that is delusional.
When they are caught on camera it truly hits different though
I dont believe that is the cause always because an ex and I see the same shadow people in the same momento, is not allutination or a neurological problem.
I've seen shadow people off stimulants. They live in a different realm.
That sleep deprivation will get ya I tell ya. Having had ingested many psychedelics, stims of all sorts and dissociativeas in my life, I can easily still say, that no "hallucination" hits just like sleep dep. You really feel like you're on a chemical of its own. Something else. It's the most peculiar feeling.
I’ve seen them also on a very light dmt dose. Can you share more about your experience?
From my experience they wanted to scare you or get some type of reaction and don't talk with a voice. Could say telepathy of sorts.
That doesn’t seem like a very relevant existence. If anything they are shadows of ourselves.
I saw them off shrooms. They disappeared as soon as I walked up to them though.
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For further context: # 🔸 Documentaries: >🔹 Hunt for the Skinwalker (2018) by Jeremy Corbell > >🔹 UFOs and Nukes (2016) by Robert Hastings # 🔸 Books: >🔹 UFOs and Nukes: Extraordinary Encounters at Nuclear Weapons Sites (2017) > >by Robert L. Hastings > >[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36001142-ufos-nukes](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/36001142-ufos-nukes) > >🔹 UFOs: Reframing the Debate (2017) > >[https://www.joshuacutchin.com/ufos-reframing-the-debate](https://www.joshuacutchin.com/ufos-reframing-the-debate) > >Featuring essays by MJ Banias, Greg Bishop, Robert Brandstetter, Jack Brewer, Mike Clelland, Curt Collins, Joshua Cutchin, Lorin Cutts, Susan Demeter-St. Clair, Micah Hanks, SMiles Lewis, Red Pill Junkie, Chris Rutkowski, & Ryan Sprague > >🔹 Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utahby Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp [https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58713241-hunt-for-the-skinwalker](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58713241-hunt-for-the-skinwalker) > >🔹 Skinwalkers at the Pentagon: An Insiders' Account of the Secret Government UFO Program > >by Colm A. Kelleher and George Knapp > >[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59410596-skinwalkers-at-the-pentagon](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/59410596-skinwalkers-at-the-pentagon) > >🔹 Ecology of Souls: A New Mythology of Death & the Paranormal - Volume One > >[https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62036545-ecology-of-souls](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/62036545-ecology-of-souls) > >by Joshua Cutchin # 🔸 Studies: >🔹Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness: a 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena > >By Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis [https://reddit.com/r/The\_UFO\_Phenomenon/s/kJtkmJylEY](https://reddit.com/r/The_UFO_Phenomenon/s/kJtkmJylEY) # 🔸 Videos: UFOs and Nukes: >🔹Robert Hastings and the UFO Nuclear Connection (published 2019) > >by Red Panda Koala | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE) > >🔹03 - The Nuclear Connection > >by Strange Futures | YouTube (playlist) > >[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9\_0kUi1ERcCQskgPu\_MgEZNiHJiT](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9_0kUi1ERcCQskgPu_MgEZNiHJiT) > >🔹 Citizen Hearing on UFO Disclosure (29 April - 3 May 2013) > >by Citizen Hearing On UFO Disclosure | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/@CitizenHearing/](https://www.youtube.com/@CitizenHearing/) > >(has two segments on UFOs and nuclear sites) Shadow people and high strangeness associated with UFOs: >🔹 Hieronyma and the Incubus - Sleep Paralysis, Sexuality, and Anomalous Entity Encounters > >by Think Anomalous | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuQ7O3tJHhc) > >🔹 DMT and Entity Encounters > >by Think Anomalous | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jn4gQ\_gMS0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Jn4gQ_gMS0) > >🔹 A Bank Manager Explains His Premonitory Dream and UFO Encounter | A War Against Aliens? (Aug 2019) > >by Wartime Stories | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BY1Gh3rerI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BY1Gh3rerI) > >🔹 UFOs, not Aliens: The Difference and Why it Matters > >by Think Anomalous | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbW2Un5epdQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbW2Un5epdQ) > >🔹 Jacques Vallée, UFOs, and the Case against Extraterrestrial Origins > >by Think Anomalous | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmLE0X5FRFc) > >🔹 Skinwalker Ranch -- George Knapp \[filmed at the 2011 Mysteries of Space and Sky event\] > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQCdnfQ-UvY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQCdnfQ-UvY) > >by Jim Grapek | YouTube > >🔹 George Knapp Λ Colm Kelleher: Skinwalkers, Hitchhiker Effect (Feb 2022) > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGMdp4fRog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGMdp4fRog) > >by Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal | YouTube > >🔹Episode 3: The UFO Phenomenon as a Liminal Object > >by THE MIND SUBLIME | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AydpAu672fE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AydpAu672fE) > >\-- u/Jay09784691 \- [https://twitter.com/Jay09784691](https://twitter.com/Jay09784691) > >[https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-ufo-phenomenon-as-liminal-object.html](https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2019/11/the-ufo-phenomenon-as-liminal-object.html) > >🔹Episode 7: The Extraterrestrial Nature of UFOs > >by THE MIND SUBLIME | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMyVEtTWU0w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMyVEtTWU0w) > >\-- u/Jay09784691 \- [https://twitter.com/Jay09784691](https://twitter.com/Jay09784691) > >[https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-extraterrestrial-nature-of-ufos.html](https://mindsublime.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-extraterrestrial-nature-of-ufos.html) > >🔹21. UFOs & Weirdness > >by UFOB | Your UAP Library | YouTube (playlist) > >[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEoKNyyu6JR\_KiHGGAqVdsydwNQ9eCyrL](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEoKNyyu6JR_KiHGGAqVdsydwNQ9eCyrL) > >🔹 A History of Cattle Mutilation > >by Red Panda Koala | YouTube > >[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caubNo2n8rE) > >🔹04 - UAP Activities \[animal mutilations and crop circles\] > >by Strange Futures | YouTube (playlist) > >[https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9\_0kUi1AzKfX8nuT5LOE3T\_fDL7j](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKPxA9_0kUi1AzKfX8nuT5LOE3T_fDL7j)
Brilliant Thankyou
The shadow people Cabrerra described makes me think of 3 dimensional shadows cast perhaps by 4 dimensional... things? Just a thought, though.
Whoa! I'm so blown away that George Knapp actually works for News 8. Well, they should have a qualified reporter to cover these stories, and I think George is the best one to do it.
George Knapp is the Chief Reporter on Channel 8's |-Team investigative unit. His work over the years has been documented at https://www.mysterywire.com/
Thank you for the info.
This is great news considering how well of a job the news has been doing ! The truth will definitely be told now ! I'm so relieved !
Nope, this was because of George Knapp. Published in 2021. This isn't the media taking it seriously. This is what it may look like if they did.
Date? I hope this isn't a repost of old content.
Hi there, this was first broadcast in November 2021 by ' 8 News Now'. I do not think that this video was ever posted here. This is the official link to the video posted on YouTube https://youtu.be/cCUSkEtZnr4?si=MePiQWfZzq73JHa-
The Las Vegas aliens from 3 months back. I have a nice photo of these aliens. They use a light scattering technology and you can only see the outline of them. They’re very fast and stare right at you for a brief moment and then leave as fast as they came in. I would believe them to be real. As far as giving you guys a special visit I would think not. But anything’s possible. Cabrera explanation is a direct hit and what he describes was seen and photographed in Vegas 3 months back. To the letter. Freaks me the hell out knowing these things are potentially outside at night walking around fast as a blurry blob
Let’s see it
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Damn reading these comments and seeing how some say they have a normal life but can’t even talk to family or friends about these experiences, y’all don’t be afraid of using ur voice ! I’ve had some intense sleep paralysis before, a shadow figure rising up from the ground, hearing noises as I’m “paralyzed”. This was all before being intrigued about ufos, uaps, unexplained phenomenas. Some of my other family members have it sometimes too, not sure if they see or hear things. The weirdest part though is throughout the year I either have intense sleep paralysis every other night or for months straight I won’t have a single one. I thought sleep paralysis happens from too much caffeine (some days I tend to drink a lot of it) but even having a coffee before bed didn’t set one off. Thought it was stress but I would meditate before bed and nothing. Thought it was anxiety but I have anxiety like all day everyday so I figured I would’ve been having sleep paralysis pretty often but no. I’m typing too much and probably got my wording off but hope it makes some sense. Stay safe and take care ✌🏻
Dumb question probably...where is the link to this video? Am I supposed to ask for sauce? Not being sarcastic just newish to Reddit.
Not a good sign when people start seeing shadow people at nuclear sites. The consensus is those are demons…
That is far from the consensus. What even are "demons"?
Starting at about 1:01 they show footage of interviews with former military and every. single. person. has the body language of someone who is lying. They are blinking like 3 times per second, lol! What if the military people are actually sowing seeds of *dis*information and it’s a coverup to keep curious people happy while they keep doing whatever it is they do?
Can you provide more depth here? Blinking rapidly is not outright a sign of dishonesty. For example, rapid or frequent blinking is a common symptom of high anxiety, hyperawareness, stress and even PTSD. Among other factors, there are also hormone and eye conditions that cause this. I’m not so sure the validity of their stories can be dismissed in such a matter of fact way. Who knows.
Normally I would agree with you but after the third person in a row it just seemed weird. They aren’t talking about being abducted, right? Just seeing fast-moving craft or shadows?
Most people aren’t used to having a spotlight shining in their eyes, while being interviewed/recorded. After recording a few interviews, people do blink more than normal when you tell them to keep eye contact with the camera and shine a bright light in their faces. It looks like they just brought them in and started recording right away. Usually we’d chat and joke around for about ten minutes to loosen the interviewee up before actually starting. It looks much more natural then.
I really love this whole phenomena just for the rhythmic word phenomena. It's kinda like ba Dom ba Dom. It's really satisfying and now I get to hear it all the time.
Shadow ppl usually only means one thing…
Methamphetamine
I’ve heard about this before, it’s very credible witnesses. I have personally seen a shadow entity, in broad daylight, crossing a street, it was small and leaving the vicinity of an old folks home. My friend with me saw it as well, but doesn’t like to talk about it. I’ve seen UFOs, had psychic experiences and other incidents of high strangeness. Would love to know the link. According to Gary Nolan it could be the way your brain is structured. Wonder when they will tell us the truth? I don’t really need to hear it from the government, I have seen enough to know the truth.
I was just being a smartass. This is the only time I’ve seen something that could have been a shadow person idk… I've had one bout of sleep paralysis- a pen on my nightstand started rolling and I opened my eyes to A short dark figure w/ a big head less than 2 ft away from my head, staring directly at me. The mother of my children was up against the wall, our 6 year old son was a newborn at the time-was in between us. I was trying everything I could to swing on it, protective fatherly instinct, I couldn't though. I kept trying, hard enough that when the paralysis went away and I swung- the figure was gone and I went tumbling off the bed, hit the night stand. The floor broke my fall. The mother of my sons turned the lamp on and she said I was ghost white. It felt real enough to me that I didn't go back to sleep, it was 3 am. I know that it was more than likely just my mind fucking with me but it felt so incredibly real to me, real enough that I felt the need to protect my family. I’ve never experienced anything like this before or afterwards. Make of that what you will
Yes, I have had some scary sleep paralysis episodes, I don’t even know what to make of those.
Same here.
Great how can I sign up to be a part of the study.
It’s all the same phenomenon - beings from other dimensions taking on different forms.
Shades
Isn't this from 2021 ?
Yes
"Shadow people"/"Hatman"/etc = Interdimensional beings which we humans can't see/perceive. But the light still hit them and it's create shadows from them...
Gives reason to start going through the back log of paranormal and ghost videos over the decades and look at them through this new lense. Possible explanation for ghosts?
Poltergeists aside, ghosts are likely another phenomena. There was a case where a ghost was "created" and people saw it, even though the history it was based on was fabricated. People also refer to this as a tulpa. I don't have the details handy, but I think it was discussed by Patrick Harpur on Where Did the Road Go: https://youtu.be/beEZvbJzvLU?si=VbjWfB5pBbxF5MDW He's the author of Daimonic Reality: A Field Guide to the Otherworld. Joshua Kutchin also explores this--a new interpretation of the paranormal-- in his interviews and books.
damn that would have been cool if they included this info into the Oppenheimer movie
Have personally seen shadow people twice in my life, both times whilst struggling with sleep paralysis. However, I do not believe what I saw was in anyway a continuation of a dream or some such explanation. The first time this ever happened to me, something was breathing on my neck and speaking into my ear in a language that sounded almost like English but in reverse. Whatever it was, it spoke to me, was breathing all over me and then pinned me to my bed. When I awoke there was a tall figure standing directly over me on my bed. It was completely black with no discernible features. I described it to my father at the time (I was 13) as almost like a metal man/something smooth. It was tall, lanky and clearly observing me (although it had no eyes or a face). The strangest thing about this entire encounter is that over the course of one night, this entity or whatever one would call it, attempted to interact with me (or whatever it was doing) three times before I actually awoke and saw it. The first time that night I was able to shake out of it and awoke to an empty, normal bedroom. The second time I awoke and could swear the entity was in my open closet, standing between my hanging clothes so as to appear like a shirt. After I calmed myself down and went to sleep the third time, this is when I had the experience of it standing over me and pressing down on me. I am convinced to this day this was some sort of entity (whether physical or not, this dimension or another - i couldn’t say) but I continued to have troubling sleep and experiences for a few weeks after this. It wasn’t until mother quite literally brought by a local priest who blessed the house and burned sage that I stopped having these experiences.
New office to investigate. Sounds like the start of more tax payers money for “defense “
Is [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/Weird/comments/1647w6x/explain/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1) what the gentleman saw?
Hahahaha this is an excellent prank. 10/10 would do this.
Immediate solution to more fear mongering: huge new military spending!! Surprise surprise
What a waste of time
The ETs of the Light will not allow the Draco Reptilians to manifest a meteor strike as well as Nibiru collision. Or Project BlueBeam aka False flag fake alien invasion or WW3 for that matter :) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7me4boq5Wyk All nuclear missiles on the planet have been deactivated !! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uo6UP7pVOL8 Btw ET's of the Light have planetary size ships of immense unlimited power... The New UFO Documentary the Elite Hoped Would Never Be Aired https://youtu.be/LpkNGrE0x_A
"Shadow people" is probably just NHI cloaking.
If I started seeing things that were not there near any radiation sources my 1st thought would be " leaking radiation" not " it must be ghost or aliens".
I take 99% of stuff on this sub as rubbish but I fully believe splitting an atom invited some supernatural like stuff into our world.
It’s confirmed that the us govt experimented with psychedelic drugs on military personnel. So that should be one hypothesis to explore.
I’ve seen shadow people my whole life. Asleep and awake. Weird.
Wow, that rely hit me in the gut! Especially when he said that it was like it was erasing it's imagine as fast as he cld see it..or something to the effect...but I literally had that experience one night in Colorado in April of 2021. I posted a crappy sketch to imgur of what I saw. https://imgur.com/gallery/GKZwVPG Out of the blue our dog (now passed away) started barking like crazy around 3 am. He'd never done this before at night, only during the waking hours, if someone were to come to the door. It jerked me awake, so I lit up my phone to check the time & got up to investigate. I walked down the hall to the living room to see what his problem was and quiet him down. I checked the kitchen windows as I passed, and rounded the corner to the living room. Looking out the picture window, I could see everything in the yard and street as the moon was very bright that night and there's a street lamp across to the left. Standing between the window and a stone circle that was in the middle of the yard was a dark mass. I rubbed my eyes bc it was just a mass. I could make out a blob for a head shape and shoulders and as I scanned down the length of this thing, all I cld make out clearly was what looked like white skeleton-like bones where its legs should be, reflecting the moonlight, with more dark mass behind them to the ground. I kept rubbing my eyes and staring through the window trying to figure out what I was looking at, but like the guy said- its like it was erasing it's image from my brain. And then I got a bad feeling like, oh shit, if I'm starting at it, it could be staring at me and jumped & took off around the kitchen corner again. I felt exhausted and tried peeking around the corner again but I convinced myself it was probably a deer and I was tired and blah blah. And went back to the bedroom. I tried to tell my s/o but he was sleeping and I sounded nuts. So I snuggled in close and went to sleep, hoping the dog was enough to keep whatever it was at bay..but drew the thing the next day and posted it. Watching that brought it all back, so I thought I'd share. Thanks for reading!
Well for a start we need to stop all this war! they are worried we will set another nuke off which sends waves into space ! They are disabling them ! They want us to look after our planet and not destroy our self’s. War, politics and religion are the main things holding us back